GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

the Pajama Pundit — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:29:54 GMT

The New York Times reports that some Republicans are wondering if they must move beyond Ronald Reagan.
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Yes they should!

Look, I love the Gipper as much as the next American -- but it's time to start looking forward, not backward. The GOP requires change, and Ronald Reagan is not change -- it would be revisiting history.

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GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

Need To Know — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:30:18 GMT

Any truth to the rumor that MSNBC is being renamed to be DNC-TV?

GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

Ron Indiana — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:34:20 GMT

When Newt Gingrich says Sarah will be one on 20 - 30 players in the GOP future, he was being kind. Silly Sarah is not smart enough or fast enough to run with thoroghbreads. Sorry Pat Buchanan, only in your dreams.

GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

MikeCT — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:34:45 GMT

“From 1933 to 1980, Republicans repeatedly failed to convince the country they were no longer the party of Herbert Hoover -- the party, as it was perceived, of economic incompetence, austerity and recession (if not depression).”

And appearantly nothings changed since 1980 either.

GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

Tina Feyy — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:34:48 GMT

A good dose of Socialism from the Obama Administration will bring the country back to the Republicans. The news media ignoring of how far to the left Obama is will surely be a huge surprise to many. When Joe-Sixpack sees his taxes increasing to support the failed school system, unions that can't get the job done, and to fight the non-existent "Global Warming", they'll be voting Republican in droves.

GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

2 Times 2 — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:37:03 GMT

The New York Obama Times will shut down if their revenue doesn't pick up. This liberal rag has lost more than 50% of it's readership and will only be posted on line. The 125 year old Cincinnati Post went out of business last year. Many will follow due to the internet. Cincinnati still has the Enquirer to rely on and NY has the Post so who really cares about the NY Obama Times?

GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

Amy B Portland, ME — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:38:33 GMT

Its pretty clear the Republican economic philosophy is to pass legislation benefiting wealthy Republican supporters, all the while convincing working American that they will appreciate those benefits when they win the lottery and join that top 2%.

GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

jawillie, Philadelphia, PA. — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:42:13 GMT

And thus the battle lines are drawn. The extreme right "Old White-Haired Dude" party vs. the moderate "Right of Center" party. Somehow I doubt this party will change very much in the next for years. Maybe the Democrats can come up with a "bailout" package for them.

Seriously, I see them splitting into two parties. Which means the Democrats will likely be in charge for the next 8 years at least, unless Obama really screws things up even worse than Bush (impossible).

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GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

cindy, Las Vegas, Nv — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:42:19 GMT

Good for Newt. Our family saying used to be "Give Newt the BOOT"! Never liked the man. I give him credit for the Palin comment. That seems to be the consensus with alot of them. Nice to have a weekend about issues and not Silly Sarah!!!!!!!!

GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

Pat, Boston, MA — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:42:32 GMT

When I think of what it means to be an American, being from Boston you would think my first thoughts would go to our Founding Fathers and the founding of our country. But I don't. When I think of what America is, my thoughts first and foremost always turn to the Lower East Side, to Hell's Kitchen - to all those neighborhoods that made up NYC back in the late 1800's/early 1900's. And years later, a lot of those boys you see in photos who were @ Yankee Stadium watching Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Bill Terry & Mel Ott eventually grew up and fought in WWII. They were our fathers, even grandfathers to some now. The depression years.

The Gilded Age - an era of unbelievable wealth for industrialists. We know who they were, most of their names we recognize instantly. They were better known as the "Robber Barons".

At the same time in that particular moment in American history, we had 10 million immigrants come to our country to not only be free from religious prosecution but also to simply build a better life for their children. Because of the influx of immigrants, Ellis Island was built. A large portion of them settled in the Lower East Side of NYC under the most horrible of conditions. One of the oldest neighborhoods of the city, the Lower East Side has long been known as a lower-class worker neighborhood and often as a poor and diverse part of New York. As well as Italians, Poles, Ukrainians, and other ethnic groups, it once had a sizeable German population and was known as Little Germany, Manhattan.

Who came through Ellis Island? Our people. Our very own grandparents, or perhaps great grandparents.

The wealth of the Gilded Age period is highlighted by the American upper class's opulent self-indulgence, but also the rise of the American philanthropy that endowed thousands of colleges, hospitals, museums, academies, schools, opera houses, public libraries, symphony orchestras, and charities.

Today we are perhaps seeing the end of the latest Gilded Age. Only what I see is -unlike the past more well known robber barons - today's robber barons gave nothing back. Inner cities are desolate of - any charm, good educations, healthcare - libraries unable to sustain themselves, the arts became unimportant in schools. Jobs moved to other countries, instead of hiring our own.

I wonder. Who were the grandparents of these people on Wall Street? Or of the GOP? Where did the chairman of Countrywide's parents come from? Actually all those companies that went under, the ones who received millions in bonuses before they left their positions after they ran out of people to exploit - did their ancestors come through Ellis Island?

Probably. Those faces on those boats you see were us. Only it was a century ago. Yet beginning with the Reagan years, it became unpopular to think about, let alone assist -the less fortunate. If you couldn't keep up, too bad. Everyone looked the other way. Greed was good. No one cared anymore about our children, our sick, our poor, our old. It was fashionable again to be self-centered, to have the best of everything. Credit cards made this all possible for the working class as well. Mortgages were easy to come by regardless of your circumstances. And best of all, corporate welfare, white collar crime, all became acceptable. The workers in this country were once again looked down upon. No one was going to look out for you. It was considered a "hand out". Not so with the rich. If they didn't receive a hand out, the country would fall apart. That's what everyone was told.

The reality is that greed and stupidity killed this country. A country our own parents and grandparents built. For us. And we blew it all up to smithereens. In one generation.

For this our ancestors traveled thousands of miles with nothing to sustain them except a dream for their children. That's the only thing that kept them going. Unfortunately as we grew up, dreams no longer mattered. It just wasn't enough. Not by a long shot.

Good luck President Obama. Take all the time you need. You have much work to do. But the job is yours. Don't listen to the naysayers. They created this catastrophe or just looked the other way while it was happening.

It is only fitting that you belong to a new generation - just what our country needs at this moment in time.

GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

Mark L, Salinas, CA — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:52:03 GMT

Democrats will push the Republicans back into office on greased skids with what they do to the country in the next 4 years. No one can afford or take 8 years of democratic leadership. History shows that. Look at what we had to endure with Bubbah Bill (BJ) on TV and news everyday. No Thanks.

GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

jesse St.Paul Minnesota — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:53:50 GMT

Blame game, Repubs continue to point the finger and try to come up with answers to the landslide victory Obama laid on them.The in fighting between the old guard and the new breed has them floundering.It's kind of funny that they now are concerned about things like health care,the lack of appeal to Africa Americans,Hispanics,Asian,And the quoit by Eric Cantor that" we have lacked the ability to be relevant in peoples lives"says it all.The Reagan,Goldwater,Rove,Atwater,Delay,Gingrich followers won't give in and the new breed has to play catch=up in a culture split.

GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

Rick, NC — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:03:19 GMT

That was the implication of Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota, who told the group of fellow Republican governors that Reagan was one of his heroes, and recalled being spat at by a hippie while volunteering for one of his campaigns.

Gosh....this is the same BS story as all of those poor vietnam vets being spat upon when they returned...it happened to like two guys and I doubt it happend to Timbo Pawlenty while campaigning for the gipper...loser

GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

cindy, Las Vegas, Nv — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:19:04 GMT

I can see Jindel, Crist, Pawlenty being the new leaders of the GOP. Teaching them old dogs (repubs over 60) some new tricks should be top priority!!!! Oh yeah, Silly Sarah can be in charge of entertainment!!!!!!!!!!

GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

BrianC, Longmeadow MA — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:19:13 GMT

Well America, Rush and the conservatives have the answer. Declare the recession/depression an "Obama's recession" wipe your hands clean and blame it all on someone else. Reminds me of the bully on the playground. Rush's idea is like declaring the crash of '29 and the subsequent depression, FDR's fault for the depression. How ludicrous! But then Rush is from the right-wing school of thought that the American people can be fooled by anyone and that they will believe any ridiculous idea thrown at them, e.g. Palin was qualified to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency.

GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

eagle1776 — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:31:56 GMT

What a mess the Republican party is in. Following the economics of Ronald Reagan and the campaign tactics of Karl Rove and putting Neocons in control has nearly ruined the grand old party. It has been proven that trickle down economics is a bust. It doesn't work due to the greed of those in the top eschelon. Karl Rove's nasty campaigning works only when people are not paying attention. In 2008 because of the mess the country is in people paid attention and Rovian strategy didn't work. Rove's dream of a Republican dominated country has been dashed and may remain so for decades. Bush and the neocons have shown how corruption and incompetence can make a mess of things to the point of nearly destroying our Constitution and all it stands for. If the Republican party wants to recover they need to come together in a moderate way. They need to listen to the population not the military industrial complex that one of their own,President Eisenhower, warned about. If the GOP doesn't go along with governing from the center they will be a minority party for decades to come.

GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

eagle1776 — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:32:03 GMT

GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

j fl — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:43:34 GMT

Hmmm.. why don't the republicans tout George Bush when saying how wonderful their party is? I recall all of them building him up to Godlike proportions until a few years ago. It's time for the rightwingnuts to stand down and let the true conservatives run their party again.

GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

margaret,baltimore,md — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:52:37 GMT

GOP Party listen to Tim Pawlenty!!! The way McCain and Palin ran that campaign I thought they were a bunch of Ku Klux Klan members! The divisiveness and hate was palpable in all of their gatherings. Until the GOP recognizes that this is not the America of Grover Cleveland and Ronald Reagan, yes, they will be in the wilderness!

GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

Indie Woman in Denver — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:53:25 GMT

“there was even the suggestion, made gingerly and reverently, that Republicans could not continue to make ‘Ronald Reagan’ the answer to every question at a time when they are overwhelmingly losing the young voters who were children, or were not yet born, when he was president."
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THe GOP has also lost those of us who WERE of voting age in 1980 and WERE NOT fans of Reagan. Those of us in that category are baby boomers, that's potentially a big number.

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subgruvet, ok — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:59:51 GMT

Ronald Reagan and his trickle down theorists were wrong. Add to that neo-con oil politicians and America's where America is. The rich in any society have never been noted for looking after the needs of others as much as their own.
I hope our new president as tough of a job is before him sticks to his middle class first approach.

GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

katiec Pekin, IL — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:11:18 GMT

Until the republicans face and admit their policies, decisions have devistated our country, they are in total denial. Trickle down doesnot and never will work.
Our first signs of homeless people living on the streets started with Reagan. I have yet to feel he
was a great president.
Pubs, quit the postering, pandering, finger pointing and ego trips and start working on the survival of our country. You have put us here and you MUST, for once, put our country first.

GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

A.Brocco,Albuqueerque,NM — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:14:55 GMT

Ronnie is dead, and Conservatism is rapidly catching up with him!

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S.B. Stein E.B. NJ — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:16:31 GMT

GOP needs to say something that means something more than just limited government. Most people want government to fix the mistakes and messes that businesses make when government isn't watching the store. A few businesses will ruin the reputation of the ones who do the proper thing.

GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

just say no — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:29:42 GMT

Reagan was a jerk.

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Matt, Las Vegas, NV — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:31:28 GMT

I don't think GOP leaders are ready to read the writing on the wall, let alone believe it. And if you listen to half of them when they go on Fox news, they continue the divisive smack talking that Americans are sick of.

You Republicans had your turn, you screwed everything up, and now it's the Dem's turn. Suck it up and stop being such a bunch of babies.

GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

Indie Woman in Denver — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:32:32 GMT

If the GOP splits into 2 parties -- the hard-right and the moderates (Pawlenty, Crist, Jindal, et al) -- it won't necessarily be relegated tot he dust bin of histoyr. The *NEW AND IMPROVED* moderate GOP will appeal to some of the Dems and many Independents (including those who left the Repub party because it was being run by the religious right).

GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

Jilli, Houston, TX — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:35:35 GMT

Dump Reagan - as long as they keep looking to Reagan they'll be looking backwards. That's their whole problem - the never looked forward - now the only solid constituencies they have are whites over 65 (how long do you think that will last) and evangelicals. Hardly enough to help you win elections. The future of our country is forward-thinking, not looking back to the Reagan years.

GOP future: Forget one for the Gipper?

Diane from Illinois — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:38:47 GMT

When Joe-Sixpack sees his taxes increasing to support the failed school system, unions that can't get the job done, and to fight the non-existent "Global Warming", they'll be voting Republican in droves.
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Republicans don't even know WHO they are, let alone the message. If they don't get unstuck from the 1950s you're going to see Democrats in control for some time coming, my friend!