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matt — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:29:12 GMT

No more important speech than one that sets the tone on policy and direction for what could potentially be years.The recession and general economic crisis is not going away anytime soon, so Obama's fix as defined tonight will be the way forward indefinitely.

And to avoid a market meltdown, Obama will need to give out more details than he's accustomed to

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Lynn Wheatly — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:32:25 GMT

Lynn Wheatly : '...I'll stand by me claim that governments don't lay anyone off...'

Lynn, I hate to confuse you with facts.....
But, the State of California is laying off 10,000 workers
Even after we got our budget

It has also been putting employees on leave for 2 days a month, effectively cutting eheir pay by 10% or so

But, don't let me interrupt your pontifications ...

What are your theories on religion ??

MSierra, SF

Again, for the ones that are slow to catch on. 10,000 California workers being laid off amounts to less then 1% of all the government workers in that state.

California, as you would expect is the #1 state for the number of government workers employed. California in fact has well over a million (closer to 1.5 million) government workers. 10,000 workers being laid off is less then 1% of the work force. That type of lay off is usually done through attrition, i.e., people retiring, quitting, or being terminated for poor performance (yeah, like that happens).

As for the temporary furloughs, people in private industry should be so lucky to get that deal. Whereas the government worker loses a day or two of pay a month, workers in private industry lose 20 days of pay a month when they are laid off, and that’s forever. In addition to that, the furloughed government worker does lose a day or two of pay a month, but none of their benefits. Try getting that deal in the private sector.

And what does Obama do to solve the problem? Does he bail out private industries? No, (except for the Banks which he’s in the process of nationalizing, along with a token contribution to the automakers because of the unions) he bails out the inefficient and wasteful state governments. That’s insane.

So MSirrera – glad to have had the opportunity to clear all this up for you.

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Pat, Boston, MA — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:33:00 GMT

Well it’s here. When I think back to the early days of the campaign, as I was listening to each of the candidates, it was pretty clear to me early on that Barack Obama stood apart from the rest of the candidates. I can’t put my finger on it exactly why I thought this. Maybe that was the point.

And so now we have President Obama about to go before Congress for the first time, just 5 weeks into his Presidency. This is why I voted for him. I didn’t want a typical President because I knew these weren’t typical times. Tonight I hope he shows us why he’s not. Perhaps we already know why. This Administration has been working 24/7, not because these are the best of times, but because these are the worst of times.

I don’t know what the president is going to say this evening. What I do know is that I’m happy that it will be Barack Obama speaking to us at this moment in time. Sometimes the right thing to do is to simply be honest. This is one of those times.

This is our country. But it’s a big country, and it’s an old country. We all must do our part to help it move forward. President Obama is without a doubt the right man at the right time to set out this agenda.

It is up to us to do the rest. Winter is just about over.

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Steve Lynchburg, VA — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:33:01 GMT

I hope the republicans do keep trying to retain their base. This puts them further out of touch with mainstream America and pushes more Independents to the democrats. Hence the latest polls numbers. And Sen.John Thune is in denial. He thinks the questions asked are why the polls favor the democrats.

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Dan, NY — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:35:35 GMT

It's difficult to believe that there is already THIS much maneuvering for 2012, but Mitt Romney's decision to rush to the rescue of the 12 House Republicans that are facing DCCC attacks for their opposition to the stimulus is obviously designed to portray Romney as a chief opponent to Obama. The contrast to a potential rival like Crist is clear: http://campaigndiaries.com/2009/02/23/meet-the-undaunted-dozen/

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Andy North, Ravenswood, MD — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:36:25 GMT

that the administration is going to make a strong push to get major health-care legislation passed in the next few months.

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The Democrats are in a hurry. They know that past 2010 they won't have the votes to pass their socialist agenda. People are going to be really angry when they continue to lose their retirement accounts because of the market, and in addition they'll have to pay for all the "Free" health care they are getting, among all the other socialist programs is trying to pass.

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BJ, CA — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:39:10 GMT

Where's the love and compassion so needed in these times of peril?...More bickering and bad taste sure seems like that "change" we voted for has not worked..
Change Washington is still not there yet...
The slippery slope of public serve has turned a blind eye again...

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GSW DEMOCRATIC FAITHFUL — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:41:35 GMT

IM SURE THE REPUBLICANS WILL TAKE EVERY CHANCE THEY CAN TO PUNCE ON EVERYTHING PRESIDENT OBAMA SAYS TONIGHT WHETHER IT BE GOOD OR BAD!! THE GOOD THING IS THAT WHEN REPUKES DO THIS SORT OF THING IT JUST MAKES THEM LOOK A LITTLE MORE PATHETIC EACH AND EVERY TIME!! IN TURN REPUKES SAY AND DO ANYTHING YOU WANT BUT IT ONLY WILL FURTHER MY PARTIES WINS IN 2010 AND 2012!!!!

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Nashville_fan — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:42:16 GMT

I am really looking forward to the President's speech tonight.

You know what I find ironic? That during the campaign, Candidate Obama was derided for being too hopeful.

Now, President Obama is criticized for being too realistic with the American people about what is happening with the economy.

Let me let the media in on a little secret - we already know how bad the economy is! We've known it for YEARS!

Do you really think that because you make a little happy talk on TV, that we don't see what's going on?

Don't flatter yourselves.
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To Banker Guy:

Yesterday you wrote, in part:

"I work in banking and what you have written has no standing whatsoever. You want to see the impact of CRA? Go into any branch of any bank that is within five miles of an economically depressed area. Everyone of those banks, if they don't want the regulators all over them, has loans that they know they will never see paid. Ask to see their public files, the CRA requires that they keep one and provide it upon request. "

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So you are basically telling me that because you work at a bank, you have noticed than when the economy goes south, areas that are already “economically depressed” are hardest hit.

You don’t say.

I suppose that poor people defaulting on their little $65,000 homes is the reason that housing values were exploding from 10% - 25% a year in some areas while most people’s wages remained stagnant.

And I suppose that the poor people defaulting on their little $65,000 homes forced banking executives to pay themselves more than 300 times what their employees earn.

And of course if it weren’t for poor people defaulting on their little $65,000 homes, Bernie Madoff wouldn’t have had to create his 50 billion dollar ponsy scheme.

Those dastardly poor people in “economically depressed areas” have a heck of a lot of nerve trying to own their own homes on the substandard wages they are earning from the unregulated corporations that refuse to pay them a living wage all while the management of these same institutions can afford to purchase homes on each coast.

Well I suppose you really set me straight on that. What was I thinking?

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Rock,Janesville,Wisconsin — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:43:00 GMT

I am sure that President Obama is going to give a great speech tonight. It will be interesting to hear what he has too say to our nation. Observing the conference/summit at the White House yesterday, was politically interesting to watch. President Obama let everyone in the room know who is in command, and kept everyone on task. This President keeps on impressing me so far. As for "Jerk Jindal's" rebuttal tonight. It will be interesting to watch if responds to all of President Obama's speech, or just the parts that will earn him points with his politically backwards party base. Time to move forward America!

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Teacher Sandra — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:43:36 GMT

FR: Obama taking questions from these folks resembled a formal White House press conference, or better yet the British prime minister’s question hour with Parliament.

It's real nice that Obama provides the press with pleasent images, but at some point Obama is going to have to provide some results. None to date have been seen. None that are positive anyway.

And if you look at Obama, he's had the worst start of nearly any President. The stock market has gone down the most for any new President, except for Jerry Ford, who was dealing with the Nixon resignation crisis and run away inflation. Obama's staff is completely out of control, he can't even get his full cabinet seated. Obama's Treasury Secretary doesn't pay his taxes, then says he has a plan, which turns out to be nothing more then scribbles on yellow Post-It notes.

Imagery is nice. Results are better. Obama gets an A for imagery, a F for results.

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Ron Indiana — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:46:19 GMT

Sometimes watching current events is like watching a movie with its drama, comedy, plots and subplots. Now and then events make sense and we are inclined to interpret and predict what will happen next.

Paul Krugman talks about banks that have more debt than assets. Several of the largest 20 banks are now now called "zombie banks" (love those funny names) because they are not willing or able to make loans. President Obama does not use words like, "nationalizing the banks", but it will come to that. AIG, CitiCorp, BoA will be regulated and likely owned by the government.
So, who else has debt greater than their assets? Besides the majority of the American people: GM and Chrysler. Most will argue that it is in the national interest to have an auto industry, but what will it look like? Chrysler will go the way of Studebaker, American Motors (Nash). Ford will likely remain private and become the major auto company. G.M. will likely never be able to make a car as well as Honda and Toyota. Why? Becuase Toyota and Honda are continuing to improve their product. Even with government bailout money, G.M.'s market share will decline. It's gonna happen. So how does this real life movie end? My guess is Ford and G.M. will merge and we will have one car company that is both private and public.

BTW, President Obama's poll numbers are closer to 65% than 60% and the congressional GOP numbers are in the toilet. John Boehner has learned to keep his mouth shut...and so will Eric Cantor.

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H. Martin, Louisville, KY — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:51:16 GMT

From a previous post: Ed Crane, Middlebury, IN (Sent Monday, February 23, 2009 5:10 PM)
Obama is the boss now and responsible for taking the market back to the lowest level since the Clinton stock market crash in October of 1997.

Much has been conveniently forgotten about that time it seems by many.

More 250 points drops in a day than many can remember for a president in his first month.

What about what's left of my 401K?

NO ED I Have Not Forgot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have not forgotton about that time. You see, my small amount of investments more that doubled during a 3 year period while Clinton was in office. He also left the country with a surplus. Oh Yes I Do Remember Those Day Well! ! ! I would gladly take them back any time! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
When “W” became President they started to drop and now they are nearly nothing. I would have a hard time buying a good used car with them now! I know what happened to my 401K!

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Houston — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:53:53 GMT

One example why Obama is winning the charm war -- and why Republicans are not -- was yesterday’s televised Q&A with congressional Democrats, Republicans, and policy experts at the conclusion of his “Fiscal Responsibility Summit.”
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Obama has shown he's not afraid of taking questions from audiences who haven't been pre-screened to remove anyone who might not be an ardent admirer. That's courage and boldness that was sadly lacking in the last president. Bush was real macho about sending other people to get killed in his wars, but he was too much of a coward to take an uncomfortable question from a citizen.

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Nashville_fan — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:57:23 GMT

"The Q&A was a great example of the power of the bully pulpit, and why Obama is winning the bipartisanship argument without necessarily being bipartisan (outside of soliciting GOP opinions without really acting on them). " - First Read
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Why do you type stuff like this when it's not true.

President Obama removed several items from and added several items to the Stimulus package based on Republican input.

Several Republican members of Congress are currently crowing about things they had added to the bill (even though they still voted against it).

How do I know all this? Because FIRST READ TOLD ME!

AMT patch? Largest TAX CUT in HISTORY? Cutting education spending to earn Republican votes?

And now you say the President isn't "really" being bipartisan?

Do your read what you typed before you press send?

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J. Ellis, Virginia — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:57:34 GMT

Trying to play to the base gave the Repubs the magical ticket of Palin/McCain. How did that work out for them? Keep up the good work and that same failed strategy and you could produce a ticket in 2012 of Palin/Steele.

No one can say that change has not come to America and to Washington. This President has not done everything perfectly, but he told us that he would make mistakes. I believe the American people see that he is working for us and that is why his popularity has remained consistently high. Most of the Republicans are so egotistically political that they can't see what the public sees---an earnest President making the most of the legacy he has been given by the previous administration. This President will not play games and the Obstructionist Party has not figured out how to operate without playing games.

You're Doing A Great Job, Mr. President!

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Monkberry Moon — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:59:43 GMT

Tonight's address will be more of the same B.S. that is becoming synonymous with Barack Obama. His rhetoric will be another dismal attempt to persuade Americans to believe in the Pelosi/Reid/Obama "Stimulus" that is selling America down the long and winding road into oblivion.

Remember that the plan is designed to enhance and prop up the liberal left and their organizations first and then, somewhere in the stimulus, about 25% of the money is committed to the American economy, but not immediately. That will be decided at a later date.

Obama is trying his best to get the American public dependent on government, which will stifle this nation in the long run.

I would suggest that Americans run their own lives without Big Brother interference. Obama is in this game to fulfill an agenda, no matter what his insideous message carries tonight.

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Stan Evans-Chance, Colesville, Ohio — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:01:25 GMT

Tonights address from The Obama? More of the lofty platitudesfrom the Great One, but don't look for any results any time soon. And everything he mentions will cost every American taxpayer more money.

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Pat, Boston, MA — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:03:06 GMT

"...and why Obama is winning the bipartisanship argument without necessarily being bipartisan (outside of soliciting GOP opinions without really acting on them)."
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Bipartisanship I have come to discover simply means a change in tone. It doesn't mean each bill is going to be 50-50. I don't think people understand this. A Democrat is in the White House. The next four years will see a democratic agenda. That's the way it works. So the GOP would I think be better served to stop their crying ways. They lost.

For good reason. The only adult I have seen in the room this past month is Barack Obama. He is dealing with a bunch of spoiled rich kids up on the Hill who no longer can be the bullies of the neighborhood. We have tuned them out. We beat them fair and square. It's the Democrats' turn.

Red Sox/NYY anyone?

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The - Democrat Soldier — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:03:43 GMT

President Obama needs to talk to the country, because if he does not, the media will try to speak for him and they never get it right.

The media claimed for a long time - “he needs to explain to the people what this all means". Remember Chris Matthews - constant remember and plug.

But, then when he "talks" to the American people - the media then calls it Rhetoric or speeches.

You guys are a bunch of "sags" and doing good is not good enough - but President Obama will continue to do good, then maybe you media folks can stop looking or talking about the bad - right Matthews and Cramer.

As much as the media try to dictate our President's agenda and his meanings, it is good to know that he won't allow you guys to control them and we won't allow you guys to persuade U.S.

The Media is necessary - no doubt. But, some members of the media - forget their place and tend to think they are above our political system and even our President.

Don’t get it twisted

Thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA

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sbv, creswell, oregon — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:04:58 GMT

"Obama is winning the bipartisanship argument without necessarily being bipartisan (outside of soliciting GOP opinions without really acting on them)." for many of us who support president obama's arra, and while there is a great deal of money in it for infrastructure, we would have liked to see more money but for the tax cuts added in consideration of the gop's philosophy.

president obama made it very clear many times, the arra was two fold - recovery of our economy now and reinvestment for america's long term future; it is the "reinvestment" monies the gop has labeled as "pork" and "spending." one could argue the gop has a legitimate policy difference ( if it weren't so clear they are being obstructionist for political reasons;) but not that he did not consider, listen to and put in the bill their tax cuts.

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Steeler Fan Pittsburgh, PA — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:06:02 GMT

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jawillie, Philadelphia, PA. — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:08:26 GMT

>>>Republicans need to worry about keeping their remaining customer base happy. And while that isn't playing well right now, do they have another choice? That's the conundrum for the GOP right now.
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Considering the makeup of their "base" (bible-thumping, gun-toting bigots), that doesn't seem to do much for them. It doesn't say much when you're using Joe [not] the Plumber for financial advice.

New Blog Entry Today - Obama's Citizenship!
http://jawillie.blog.com

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Broke in Fort Myers, Florida — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:09:00 GMT

Fix it ! Just fix it !

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TEC-Spring-Tx — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:10:17 GMT

If Jindal is not running for president in 2010, he sure is looking like he is running. I remember McCain continuously denied he would seek the white house in 2008. Obviously, the Republican goal is to show diversity, while preaching a southern state right’s argument. The republican puppet masters do not care who is elected as a republican. The puppet master will pull the republican presidents strings and ensure he does not drift far off message. The republicans are all about talking points, staying on message and ensuring the wealthy rule. The republicans are master of deception. The republicans tout out the little guy, like Joe the plumber, and use these paid pundits to sell the so-called middle class dream. Their motto is , if it is good for the rich, then it will be good for America.

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katiec Pekin, IL — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:11:05 GMT

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:13:33 GMT

Hope this new guy Obama is hiring has paid his taxes LOL.

Apart from Chuckie Schumer, I have never seen anyone fight to get his face on television more then Obama. makes it look like the world is coming to an end and he is the only one who can save it LOL.

However, since the MSM is reporting that some of the pork money will take years to get down to the towns and whoever applies for it, there will come a time when all his gum flapping will mean nothing.

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Choking Smokers — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:15:16 GMT

Obama, please don't start shaking at the podium tonight, or worse, start sucking on that cigarette that you need so badly. You're gonna wind up looking like Elvis.

Oh, and stop screwing American workers to help the slackers in this country. You can't change people that are born and bred lazy.

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BK Patterson, NH — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:21:18 GMT

Pat,Boston, MA - This is our country. But it’s a big country, and it’s an old country

You don't know much about world history, do you?

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jesse St.Paul Minnesota — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:21:27 GMT

I for one hope that The president calls each one of the obstructionist out ,one by one by name,let all those that are watching who is more interested in them self's,They would rather listen to a talk show host then the people of this country.People need to remember who got this mess started,and hold them responsible at the voting booth.I have all the faith in the world that at least Obama is trying to restore the damage that the last admin did,not only here at home but abroad.We voted for change,we expect a leader that has the ability and the Knowledge that one needs to change coarse,There's a new captain at the tiller,time to raise the sails and get this show on the road.

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Moon Dawg — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:21:45 GMT

It's finally happened and it's about time.

Just one month after the Obama inauguration people are taking to the streets in opposition to his STIMULUS BILL.

Demonstrations in all major cities and more courtesy of the New American Tea Party. And the demonstrations will not be limited to one day. They are the beginning of an ongoing slam at our current government, simple protesting that will not stop.

Stay tuned ............

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Pete, Salinas, CA — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:21:52 GMT

Plain and simple.

If Obama is a true leader, he will stand up and demonstrate his ability to get people to buy into what his plan is.

At this point, he has not shown he has one and is feeling his way with his team as he goes. Not a comfortable position for Americans looking for leadership, or the rest of the world for that part.

The worst thing he can do is stand there and try to point a finger at the past. It's done, it's over and he's in charge. We benefit none in hearing blame placed on Bush. It does none of use any good at this point.

He wanted and ran for this office for over two years and it is time for him to stand up, don't look for excuses and Lead this country to prosperity. That is why he was elected. He said he could do it and American's voted believeing he could.

Now is the time to put his abilities in to action. No more talking, just delivery. If he can not get the stock market going in the right direction, he needs to start over on his support team because there is no time to waste on less than excellence in job performance.

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Lyn, KCMO — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:22:11 GMT

I am so tired of hearing about people crying over losing their retirement benefits! I plan to retire next year, and have watched the market closely the past few years. In 2007 I transfered my investments from the stock market to a Money Market acct. where it's safe.

Anyone not planning to retire in the next few years will be fine! "This too shall pass" and the market will rebound stronger than ever.

Anyone investing in the current market should keep in mind, 'Never invest more than you're willing to loose'. But, keep in mind - you're buying low - there's no where to go but up!

I doubled my investment in the market - I knew when to 'hold them', and when to 'fold them'...

Am I an Econ Major? Nope - basic math principles and common sense.

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Spend baby spend — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:22:20 GMT

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keep it up MEDIA — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:23:50 GMT

If there become a revolution because the American people are tired of others playing with their money and lives - then I only hope the the first places to get sacked or the Media HQ's starting with FOX - because you guys are the voices for the conversative Wall Street scumbags.

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Izzy Buffalo, NY — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:27:14 GMT

Will the new polls convince my party (for now anyway)-the Republicans-that their tactics are not working? Sadly,probably not. They keep recycling old, tired ideas or worse just whining without any alternative plans.

I'd say the GOP united front against the stimulus backfired if 63% of people support the package. Ouch! I will be listening carefully to Jindal's response tonight. I used to have great respect for him but it seems he is putting party before country in rejecting unemployment benefits for struggling people in Louisiana (aka grandstanding.) Apparently, the extreme right has gotten to him with threats and misguided advice. People like Gov. Crist give me hope that there are still some sensible,moderate Republicans willing to stand up for what's right.

More examples of the GOP being out of touch this week...I can't believe Republican Senator Shelby actually questioned Pres. Obama's citizenship. Not only is it nuts, it's illogical to spend a second on such nonsense when every American is focused on big issues like the economy and jobs. He truly owes Pres. Obama and the American people a huge apology!

This Republican fully supports President Obama and the GOP sure has some work to do to keeps moderates like me from jumping ship.

Proud member of RepublicansforObama.org

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Deborah Greenlawn, NY — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:29:25 GMT

Well, I would hope that one's LABOR Secy. is
pro-labor. Unlike the figureheads Pres. Bush had in various positions. It's supposed to be that labor groups are to benefit workers. Even though they went to far and are now dying. Unlike Health lobbyists that are often for insurance companies that don't want to pay and help people who are ill. Thus working against the purposes of health care and health professionals.
Is there anything at all constructive, mature, intelligent or useful that the REPUBLICANS are doing??

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Tzalaran — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:29:45 GMT

Lynn Wheatly (Sent Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:32 AM)

at this point in time, the government shouldn't be laying anyone off. seeings how all the big corporations have sent the majority of the jobs to other countries for cheaper labor, and those companies who have stayed in the U.S. are laying off, closing down, or cutting back staff, if the government were to start laying off workers it would accelerate the unemployment problems that are at the heart of the economic crisis we are in.

but don't let a thing like circumstances get in the way of your ideology...

governments are made for one reason only: to control the economy. that is why civilization created governance in the first place, and it is really what is necessary right now. the government can act as the employer of last resort in economic meltdowns, and i personally think that the President's plan is going to do a good job of kick starting the economy over the next 6 months.

for too long our governments have allowed big business to control the direction and details of the economy, and as a result we find an increase in unemployment, wall street welfare, and no confidence because of the excesses of big business while the common person can barely feed their families.

the conservatives want to blame this lack of confidence on the new administration and their policies, but the reality of the situation suggests that this collapse has been years, even decades, in the making. we have repeated our own history and for some reason expected a different result. this is insanity.

the 3 keys to reversing this as i see it are: new cheaper energy sources that are made locally, jobs that are not susceptible to labor cost saving practices (i.e., outsourcing), and focusing on ethical business practices (no more shady books, predatory lending, and all the other copious practices that led wall street into this type of collapse).

so in reality, the government's real purpose is to be there to stabalize an economy in crisis, and shouldn't be decreasing its workforce, when that would only aggravate the existing problem, and create more families who are unable to make ends meet. The "free market" is a never obtained ideal, because without government oversight, regulation, and interaction we are destined to repeat the current crisis again in our future.

time to learn from mistakes instead of repeating them.

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Me 3 Peat, Doster, GA — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:31:48 GMT

We are now at the same point we were during the Bill Clinton Stock Market Crash of 1997!

We are now at the same point we were during the Bill Clinton Stock Market Crash of 1997!

We are now at the same point we were during the Bill Clinton Stock Market Crash of 1997!

We want action and results, not excuses tonight.

We want action and results, not excuses tonight.

We want action and results, not excuses tonight.

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jbentley,Chicago,IL — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:33:41 GMT

RE: Solis confirmation

Remember the days when the GOP mantra was "give presidential appointments an up or down vote"?

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Amy B Portland, ME — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:34:27 GMT

I was curious to see Jindal on Meet The Press last Sunday. Like Obama, you are immediately struck by his intelligence, and that is reassuring. But Jindal quickly lost my confidence as it became evident he uses his intelligence to play political games, as when he argued smoothly the feds should pay to repair the levees and the destruction caused by Katrina because the levees were built by the feds in the first place. He has no problem soaking us for Katrina money and not calling it aid to his state. It's something we "owe" to Louisiana, but we don't owe it to Michigan to prevent the collapse of the auto industry, etc. He's just a wily coyote. Good for Louisiana maybe, but not for the rest of the country.

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Ed Crane, Middlebury, IN — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:34:47 GMT

The president has been in office a month!! And, yet you hear those who proclaim he should have already righted every wrong of these last eight years. Give him a break!!
The republicans continue to self destruct, putting their party, egos and inadequate ideas before the
survival of our country.
katiec Pekin, IL

It goes back more like the last 16 years if you want to be realistic. Remeber the stock market crash under Clinton in 1997?

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jawillie, Philadelphia, PA. — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:38:23 GMT

>>>It's finally happened and it's about time.

Just one month after the Obama inauguration people are taking to the streets in opposition to his STIMULUS BILL.

Demonstrations in all major cities and more courtesy of the New American Tea Party. And the demonstrations will not be limited to one day. They are the beginning of an ongoing slam at our current government, simple protesting that will not stop.

Stay tuned ............
Moon Dawg (Sent Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:21 AM)

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Hooo Boy! The delusional ranting from the right continue. Pray tell, Moonie, exactly where are these demonstrations taking place? Perhaps some here want to join in. I assume this public service announcement you're putting out is based on some type of FACT, is it not?

http://jawillie.blog.com

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Deborah Greenlawn, NY — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:38:24 GMT

Pres. Obama does his version of Prime Minister's "QUESTION TIME"!
Only his was Monday (?) and Britain's is Wednesdays.
I think this is a great idea given the measure of this president. A secretive, inarticulate dunderhead would avoid it for sure. He can field anything. It is good for all of them participating. They actually have to think on their feet. In some cases, they actually have to THINK!
Time to weed out the jughead poseurs and get people in there who can actually get things done for the people and have half a brain.
Next-Press gaggle like FDR used to do-right in the Oval Office. Off the record? Keep it light? Rotate the press members present, but it's a pretty big room. Lesser presidents would avoid it, but this president, can speak to anyone. I remember blogging
during the primary that he could be to the press like JFK-has the wit, the charm and the intelligence. Also a bit of the aloofness. Oh, and the mutual respect.
Fits right in with reaching out and openness.

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Kallie G., Illinois — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:38:35 GMT

The president has been in office a month!! And, yet you hear those who proclaim he should have already righted every wrong of these last eight years. Give him a break!!
The republicans continue to self destruct, putting their party, egos and inadequate ideas before the
survival of our country.
katiec Pekin, IL

It's amazing how much damage one man can do in a month. Obama has exceeded all expectations in that regard.

Maybe it's Obama that needs to give the American people a break.

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Mary Lansing — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:39:26 GMT

Speaking from the professional side of the aisle, the portion of the Economic Stimulas passage that gives me heartburn, is the provision that allows laid-off workers to continue their Health Insurance through the ages old Cobra, but with 65% being picked up as a Federal subsidy. This way, the laid off workers are only liable for 35% of the monthly premium. I thought this was good, until I read and researched the mechanics behind this.
First of all, the Employer is the tool that pays the 65% to the insurance company. At the end of every quarter, the employer files their 941(a tax document every employer, small or big) must file with the IRS.This document simply lists the gross wages the employer paid for the quarter, the total Federal Tax withheld for the quarter, and the total Social Security and Medicare(known as FICA)taxes withheld for the quarter, plus the total of the employers match of the FICA withheld. This is as easy as the 941 filing is. When complete this form should equal the deposits the employer made each week, or each month depending on the size of the employer. The employer is required to deposit the total withholdings.
Now the good part! Beginnning with the 1st quarter of 2009, the 941 has added a new line(12a) to the form. The employer should list the total amount he has paid for the 65% Cobra participants. The employer will receive a "credit" for this amount!!!! So, an already cash-strapped employer is paying the 65% subsidy up front, and the government will give them a credit on their 941 for the amount. And of course, the money is coming from an account set up for none other than Social Security!!! Not to even go to the red tape involved in an employer really getting the funds they fronted!!

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Lee in CA — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:40:56 GMT

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Craig, Sterling, VA — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:41:10 GMT

Such a shame that EVERYTHING we are seeing and hearing from the Republicans is "death wish" politics. The GOP leader, Rush Limbaugh, wants the President to fail. And why not? If he succeeds, it will clearly demonstrate that the GOP is clueless. It's all on the line for the GOP, they know it and they have no new ideas, just the same tired old "let's give tax breaks to our buddies and trust them to do the right thing" mantra. Yeah, that's really worked out well hasn't it?

So, GOP, please continue with your unassisted suicide by playing to your ever-shrinking base. It won't be long until all you guys will need is a high school gym to hold your national convention -- and still have extra capacity. Perhaps that's the problem: The GOP just can't get their small minds around the huge problem. And why shoud they? After all, "the fundamentals of the economy are strong" aren't they Senator McCain?

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Rob, from Iowa — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:42:04 GMT

He's our President. I didn't vote for him nor do I agree with him on 90% of the issues. Yet he's our President. I'll be watching and yelling at the TV.

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Ed Crane, Middlebury, IN — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:42:11 GMT

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Auntie Fascist — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:42:53 GMT

Deborah, being Secretary of Labor for a Republican administration is a part-time job. Afternoons, you go back to work busting unions!

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Pat, Boston, MA — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:47:15 GMT

"Pat,Boston, MA - This is our country. But it’s a big country, and it’s an old country

You don't know much about world history, do you?"
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Um, yes as a matter of fact, I know a great deal about world history. This country structurally is old. And it's very big. It's been neglected for years. And will take a great deal of money to repair it.

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Spend It Like You Own It — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:48:00 GMT

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Jackson, Seattle — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:48:39 GMT

Pat from Boston--I couldn't agree with you more. I'm still not over the feeling of relief that there is competency in the Oval Office with President Obama. I don't agree with everything he says or does and there have been some missteps but I think he is bringing both his remarkable intellect and energy to the job and his whole team is working their hardest to repair the damage of the past 8 years.

I still don't think the Republicans' tactics will ultimately be successful--I think they are out of touch with just how bad things are in the country and how much people want action not arguing.
Steeler Fan Pittsburgh, PA (Sent Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:06 AM)
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And I agree with both of you. I have to wonder how many of them have been affected by this, I mean *really* affected by this. Perhaps that is why they are out of touch on this issue, because it hasn't hit them where they truly live yet. But, hey, that is fine with me. They can stay in the dark as long as they want.

I do love the irony that, a few years ago, in one of Ann Coulter's books, she said the country would be better off with only one party. How funny that, if the GOP continues on their current trend, it may happen, only not the way she wanted it to!!!

Although, it does bring about an interesting question for discussion. If the GOP got truly depeleted, and relegated to a regional party for years to come, what party do you think would replace it? Or what do you think would happen from there?

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Jody, Iowa — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:50:12 GMT

It would seem the republicans don't like change so they fight hard to avoid it and blame the other side for not letting them participate while making no effort to offer any real ideas except tax cuts--we all know where that left us. The GOP prefers things as they were. Unfortunately, a new century of globalization arrived and their ideology suits the 1980's. I thought John McCain's question seemed an odd one but I certainly enjoyed President Obama's response especially since it was Bush who ordered the helicopters and McCain probably gave a rousing OK to the plan. It's never made sense to me that republicans are so anti-labor; why would you oppose the working class? Although today unions are less powerful, all of us who work in large corporations including non-union ones have benefited from the fights they fought for employee rights, wages, and fairness. To vilify unions and union workers is dumb but the GOP does it. Maybe the GOP should ask themselves a question: if we weren't so anti-union, would union members vote republican? They might if the ideas are good. It's time for republicans to stop blocking White House appointees so that the new administration can get to work. During the Bush years, republicans said the administration has a right to have the cabinet members they want--apparently that's only if it's a republican president. Americans voted for a new direction, it's time republicans realize what that meant. Bobby Jindal may be a new GOP voice but being governor of one of the poorest states in the country I would think he'd accept any aid from the Feds that he could get--politics first, citizens of the state last. Being conservative shouldn't mean being unwilling to help the people of your state in a crisis such as we have now. Once again, republicans show they have no heart.

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Josh Larson, FL — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:51:14 GMT

Just as with Bush, the media will tell us what Obama said after he finishs tonight.

We'll get the real story then.

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Judy in AZ — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:52:11 GMT

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Man Up, Obama — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:55:42 GMT

Obama is fond of whining about inheriting the economic problems of this country. (Pretty rich, whining about inheriting the job he campaigned two years for and spent nearly a billion dollars to get.) Anyone want to take bets on how many minutes into tonight's address that Obama invokes the inheritance line?

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Jody, Iowa — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:59:01 GMT

Like another person who commented, I pulled my money out of stocks over a year ago. Maybe everyone has forgotten that the market has been flaky for nearly two years. My thought is that the market is resetting itself back to reasonable levels. All aspects of our economy, the banks, housing, the market have been existing in a bubble of false profits. It only makes sense that when the bubble bursts, reality comes calling. Don't blame President Obama for the market falling, blame greed and corruption in the market.

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A.Brocco,Albuquerque,NM — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:06:05 GMT

For all you fiscal conservatives. Are we still fighting in Iraq? Who's paying the bill for that?
Oh, I forgot, it is the Chinese!
Keep shopping at WalMart, the Chinese need to pay for the "war" in Iraq. That means it is "not" costing us a dime so no need to be concerned about it. Let's just raise hell about money being spent to help our country = Republican logic (oxymoron).

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I want my country back — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:06:47 GMT

>>>It's finally happened and it's about time.

Just one month after the Obama inauguration people are taking to the streets in opposition to his STIMULUS BILL.

Demonstrations in all major cities and more courtesy of the New American Tea Party. And the demonstrations will not be limited to one day. They are the beginning of an ongoing slam at our current government, simple protesting that will not stop.
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And if you can't get in on this, perhaps you can join one of ACORN's illegal seizing of foreclosed properties. The first community agitator arrest came yesterday in Baltimore. Coming soon to a city near you...

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Sorry. It's early in CA — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:08:16 GMT

"the opposition's official response,"

What could that be? We hate how you're trying to dig us out of the hole we put this nation in by rubber stamping the worst president in history?

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Terry, Disabled Vet, Des Moines, IA — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:09:06 GMT

How many Repukes will stand in ovation to applaud soemthing that might be good for this country. After the initial introductions and the President starts speaking, I'll bet you might get lucky and see a handful of the Repukes stand but the majority will not. That will be a true telling test whether or not the Repukes want to get this country back where it once was!!!!!!

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Spend baby spend — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:10:40 GMT

Just as with Bush, the media will tell us what Obama said after he finishs tonight.

We'll get the real story then.
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Yes, thank goodness Josh, that we have such an honest press corps to analyze things for us. I'm going to take a wild stab here and guess that Obama will get rave reviews and Jindal will get ripped to pieces.

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Anna Molly — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:11:58 GMT

So where were the tea parties when the last administration financed a trillion dollar unnecessary war completely OFF the books, while STILL running up record deficits ON the books, yet doing nothing to fix entitlements like Social Security and Medicare or provide for universal health care?

NOW you're going to protest? Sheesh.

But while you're at it, pass me a cup of Jasmine tea, will you? I need to calm down before I say something sarcastic.

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Lynn Wheatly — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:12:16 GMT

Lynn Wheatly,
Just because the number of layoffs mount to less than 1% of the government's workers does not make it something other than a layoff. A layoff is a layoff, no matter what the number. And temporary fuloughs do occur in private industry. I know of a case for that in my state.
Judy in AZ

Once again, real slowly so everyone can understand. So called government layoffs are anything but. They amount to less then 1% of the workforce that is being laid off. Private industry on the other hand has nearly 100% of the layoffs in the country. So, what is Obama's solution? He bails out the government and leaves private industry to flounder.

If you work in government, you have almost perfect job security. It is highly unlikely that you will be let go. And Obama infused another trillion dollars into government to further guarantee that government workers will not be laid off. Once again, that is insane.

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Citizen of Rome — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:14:08 GMT

"I want my country back": with or without the Constitution that election thief Bush gutted?

I want habeus corpus back, and cometus posse re-instated. Know what either of those are?

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Steve Lynchburg, VA — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:14:14 GMT

Anyone care to explain what Bush did while the economy was tanking from November to January???

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Lens Crafters — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:14:40 GMT

Um, yes as a matter of fact, I know a great deal about world history. This country structurally is old. And it's very big. It's been neglected for years. And will take a great deal of money to repair it.
Pat, Boston, MA

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Don't travel much, do you?

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Bruce Coleman, MI — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:17:41 GMT

Big Business should pack up and leave America and move to more business friendly countries.

The climate here towards Big Business in now Hostile and they are not welcomed.

They should take their business out of this country and enjoy a more friendly host. We are pushing them out as hard as we can.

Ed Crane, Middlebury, IN

And Big Business will leave the country, in droves. They carry a huge burden today with all the taxes they must pay and the regulations they must follow. Now Obama is going to load them up with an entire new set of taxes and regulations. The CEOs of Big Business are calling China and India as I write this and asking "How much more work can you take on?".

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Lynn Wheatly — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:19:55 GMT

Lynn Wheatly: 10,000 people = "nothing" Thank you for that lesson in right wing accounting.

"the opposition's official response,"

What could that be? We hate how your trying to dig us out of the whole we put this nation in by rubber stamping the worst president in history?
Lee in CA

I didn't say that. You said that. Relative to private sector layoffs, government layoffs amount to less then 1% of all layoffs.

Hope you enjoy paying all your newly enacted taxes Lee. That Hope and Change working out well for you?

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Chuck of Philadelphia PA — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:21:13 GMT

IT took 8 years or more for our economy to get to this point. I will take many more years to undo all the damage that was done.
How can people realistically think after President Obama being in office for 1 month, things would be back to "normal"?
It will take many years to fix our broken economy, if it can be fixed.

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Tarzan Mike — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:26:23 GMT

Tzalaran - governments are made for one reason only: to control the economy.

Really? This is news. I guess that explains why Venezuela is doing so well, what with all control of the economy they are doing. They got electricity to most of their people yet?

Well, I'm sure glad the government is employing people. With all the jobs leaving the country, government will be the only major employer left in the country. But whom then will they tax to support themselves? Also, what products will government make, you know, to support or GNP. The 'P' stands for Product you know.

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Friend from the North — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:27:51 GMT

I have the wonderful privilege of living north of the ongoing melodrama you call the USA!! I have never seen a more sad, pathetic bunch of misfits in my entire life (I am 50) than what I see today. One person spoke of the evils/perils of socializing. Yeah your free market unregulated economy is a shining example of the way things should be done. Others spoke of letting things lay as they were and not helping out the economy. Good choice. Now you can really pick up some downhill momentum and if you are lucky you can have the President declare a force majeur (sp?) and have the US dollar devalued and replaced with something different. I have read many accounts that the Canadian banking system is one of the stronger models in the world right now. This is not a time to gloat, but rather a time of reflection for the world and to set a course correction. Find a new approach. The one you are using is broken and not worth fixing. Regarding socialism, I love the fact that we have socialized health care in this country. Is our system perfect, hell no. It needs to be revamped in a big way. But it keeps everyone from losing everything in the unfortunate event of a major illness or accident.

You sit and whine and moan about your President's inability to forge ahead and wave his magic wand and correct the myriad of fundamental problems that plague not only your economy, but your mindset. Would you rather another 4 years of damn the torpedoes and full steam ahead like you just had, or perhaps, just maybe, a little caution and sober second thought might be in order. When President Obama began campaigning for the presidency a few years back, the economy was beginning to sour, but had not spoiled like it has now. This rapid decline necessitates a new approach, not one that was born on the campaign trail.

You people bashing the current administration disgust me. President Obama is being chased by a dog in heat. If he runs he gets bit, if he stands still he gets screwed!! The American people are solely the ones to blame for your crisis. Yes you can blame the previous administration, but stop and think, who put him there!!

Grow up and take your lumps. This too shall pass. Give the Man a chance and he will more than live up to your grandiose expectations.

He is a good man and a great choice for President. Maybe it is time to try and support your President instead of calling him down. That might take more courage than some of you are able or willing to muster.

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MSierra, SF — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:29:09 GMT

Ed Crane, Middlebury, IN: '...Big Business should pack up and leave America and move to more business friendly countries....'

Who's first ?
Bank of America or Merril Lynch ?
CitiGroup ? Enron ? Halliburton ?

We've been REAL MEAN to Halliburton

How about the Lockheed ?
don't they make those over priced helicopters ?
THEY should go overseas !!!

Poor, Poor Business
Where did those Republicans touch you ?

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Pat, Boston, MA — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:29:39 GMT

"Don't travel much, do you?"
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As a matter of fact, yes I do travel a lot. Hope to be doing more. You know, old old european countries. Have seen many of them, many more to see.

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Pete, Salinas, CA — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:30:57 GMT

Anyone care to explain what Bush did while the economy was tanking from November to January???

Steve Lynchburg, VA

Planning for retirement in Crawford, life after the presidency.

What is your point?

What does that have to do with the task at hand for the gentleman who was elected President of the United States?

Democrat, Barrack Obama is that person.

Again, your point?

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Ed Crane, Middlebury, IN — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:33:16 GMT

IT took 8 years or more for our economy to get to this point.

Chuck of Philadelphia PA

Eight (8) years???????

How about the Clinton Market Crash of 1997?????

Were you even born then???????

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Nashville_fan — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:33:46 GMT

What's striking about the Republicans posting here is that they are only concerned about "their country", the stock market, their "principles" and big business.

Absolutely no concern for actual people other than themselves.

As Jesus said, by their fruits you will know them.

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Brian Reed, West Bend, WI — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:36:02 GMT

Anyone care to explain what Bush did while the economy was tanking from November to January???

He dealt with an 'obstructionist' senate and congress!

Big Business should pack up and leave America and move to more business friendly countries.

The climate here towards Big Business in now Hostile and they are not welcomed.

They should take their business out of this country and enjoy a more friendly host. We are pushing them out as hard as we can.

Also, as predicted a couple years back, raising the minumum wage would add to layoffs because small business can only afford fewer employees.

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Richard, Washington State — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:40:02 GMT

Nashville_fan is right.

The Community Reinvestment Act, which also has a small business and small farm lending component, has only a minor role in all this.

Bad loans were made by bad lenders. CRA loans were mostly made in a way that attempted to minimize risk for loans in more marginal areas and to assure that bank services were available on a more equal footing for low to moderate income areas.

These loans were by nature somewhat more risky. During the period of time covered by CRA there were literally millions of good loans made. I don't have statistics, but virtually all of the loans that are causing the problems now were made during the past 5 years and are more associated with the gargantuan supplies of money that had nowhere else to go apparently than to mortgage backed securities and the funky stuff we've all heard of.

CRA didn't really have that much to do with over 95% of the loans made that are causing the problems. I wouldn't rule out that some banks abused the program to "pump up" their CRA ratings to avoid problems with activist groups.

But I don't think current problems can be laid at the feet of the Community Reinvestment Act in any more than a very minor and politically theatrical way. Mortgage lenders were making most of their bad loans with very little help from CRA.

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Richard, Washington State — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:45:06 GMT

Terry, Disabled Vet:

You mean they're going to act like Democrats during the Bush administration?

Well, knock me over with a feather!

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Plenty of FACTS — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:55:06 GMT

Hooo Boy! The delusional ranting from the right continue. Pray tell, Moonie, exactly where are these demonstrations taking place? Perhaps some here want to join in. I assume this public service announcement you're putting out is based on some type of FACT, is it not?

http://jawillie.blog.com
jawillie, Philadelphia, PA. (Sent Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:38 AM)
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Jawillie, Please join us in Dallas on the 27th. Too bad you missed Seattle on the 16th, Denver on the 17th, Mesa AZ on the 18th, and Kansas on the 21st. Coming up is Chicago, Dallas, Fort Worth, MO......we're just getting started. I'll be sure to let you know if I find out when one hits Philly.

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Richard, Washington State — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:02:26 GMT

Amy B, Portland:

After Katrina, people DEMANDED the feds pour money into Louisiana for just that purpose and simultaneously blamed Republicans and Bush for EVERYTHING associated with Katrina, including the global warming that "caused" it.

That federal money was probably part of the reason Louisiana moved into the top five of Nashville_fan's list.

Give me a freakin' break, Amy. You're better than that.

And remember smooth is as smooth does and our president was elected on primarily that trait, not what he actually said or was trying to accomplish, which was basically being elected.

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Tzalaran — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:02:27 GMT

Well, I'm sure glad the government is employing people. With all the jobs leaving the country, government will be the only major employer left in the country. But whom then will they tax to support themselves? Also, what products will government make, you know, to support or GNP. The 'P' stands for Product you know.

Tarzan Mike (Sent Tuesday, February 24, 2009 11:26 AM)
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Product = all goods and SERVICES
we are transitioning into a service based economy, and by generating a new green economy there will be plenty of new technology that can be exported to increase the product.

but yeah, all you dittoheads believe that alternative energy is a lie even though we are using Biodiesel to fuel rockets and getting 4% less output than petro based rocket fuels.

so government stimulus will open the doors for new industries once the big oil lobby has found another country to use as a host... (i think China is calling)

i didn't say all governments control their economy well, but that is the function of government: to control who gets what, where, when, and how. if you didn't know that, you need to brush up on remedial world history...

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Lee in CA — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:02:51 GMT

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Terry, Disabled Vet, Des Moines, IA — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:03:03 GMT

Richard, Washington State, the former dunce in chief never gave any and I do meaa any respect for anybody that disagreed with him!!!!!!! I send you not a feather but the damn truth!!!!!!!!Did you ever, ever see that man extend a hand to the other party like President Obama has publicly????????????Do I need to remind you about the Iraqi fiasco, the Katrina fiasco, the torture fiasco, the wiretapping fiasco, the justice department fiasco, the Plame fiasco, the energy fiasco, the economic fiasco that during the end of his tenure he was AWOL on this issue?????????????This is all public information, in case you forgot the Repuke party called people like me UNPATRIOTIC as well!!!!!!!!!!, Do I need to keep going??????????The former dunce in chief's administration was ARROGANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!They did not give a damn about this country only themselves and don't give me that old line He kept us safe" He tore down the Constitution of the United States PERIOD!!!!!!!We will see if the REPUKE Party is willing to extend a hand or just sit on their arsses and want to continue the same old path of destroying this country that I BLED FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Nashville_fan — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:03:16 GMT

To Richard, Washington State:

Thanks for the back up. And thanks for offering us your unique, pragmatic, but always informative perspective on the issues of the day.

You've broadened my horizons, and for that I thank you.

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Citizen of Rome — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:05:14 GMT

"You mean they're going to act like Democrats during the Bush administration?"

As long as no one ever again acts like the repubs during the Clinton administration we won't be seen as the most stupid people on Earth.

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Tzalaran — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:10:44 GMT

Brian Reed, West Bend, WI (Sent Tuesday, February 24, 2009 11:36 AM)
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you're entire argument is that big business is the largest creator of jobs, and that is a faulty premise.

the fact is, big business has been outsourcing jobs for cheaper labor for longer than they have been creating jobs. right now, the best and quickest fix for our economy, national security, and general overall well being is to stop the Macro view of energy supply, and refocus that into making each community self sufficient through a combination of alternative energy programs; wind in the plains and coasts, solar in the southwest, hydro plants on rivers and coasts, and biofuels plants in every neighborhood.

this would provide jobs locally to create, maintain, and replace the infrastructure and provide the energy we need to live our modern lifestyle. it would reduce the effect of natural disasters and terrorist attacks on nuclear plants and other refineries. it would also move us back into working with our neighbors to make our lives better, rebuilding the failing sense of community that made this nation flourish 50 years ago.

but oh yeah, according to Majah Rushie, i'm lying because alternative energy is a lie...

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Mac T., Iowa — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:23:08 GMT

Nashville_fan -

What's striking about the Republicans posting here is that they are only concerned about "their country", the stock market, their "principles" and big business.

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"the stock market" - the market contains most of peoples retirement accounts. It also contains many of the pensions for unions workers. The market goes down, nearly everyone loses.

"big business" - Big business employs many people in the country. Big businesses also has many, many small businesses that are their vendors. Big business suffers, then so does all of America.

"Principles" - Conservative principles are to take care of themselves and their families, and being as much independent from government as possible. Those "principles" also include working in their community and helping others that are not as fortunate through charity.

So, it sounds like you're against these things. Care to explain how that puts "Country First"?

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I want my govt handout NOW — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:25:01 GMT

As long as no one ever again acts like the repubs during the Clinton administration we won't be seen as the most stupid people on Earth.
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Yes, because why would we want welfare reform and a balanced budget? Who has any use for those things?

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Anita, Birmingham, Alabama — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:30:13 GMT

Richard Shelby should be ashamed of himself for attempting to stir up hatred in the townhall meeting that he attended in Cullman, Alabama over the weekend.

A little history lesson about Cullman: Cullman, Alabama is known in these parts for being the home of KKK. They have a reputation (to this day) for continuing to hold and breed klan membership and meetings.

I appreciate the Cullman Times for standing behind their story and for making sure that it made national news. Times they are a changing indeed. As a responsible lawmaker, when the question was asked about President Obama's birth certificate (he knew that this had been proven before) his response should have been, yes he is an American citizen.

Keys is just a reed blowing in the win and is satill feeling the sting of defeat from President. He has a vendetta of his own and he attempting to settle the score any way he ca by using the "old crab in the barrel tatic". Key is a so called democrat, but then again...so was Blavo and Burris...

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REG in AZ — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:34:02 GMT

You simply have to give Obama credit. As hard as the Republicans try to fault, block and sabotage whatever he offers he keeps handling their irresponsible obstructionist efforts and, while admitting fine tuning could likely still be needed, keeps addressing the issues, which the Republicans seem to think is unnecessary, and keeps trying to solve the problems he inherited. The Republicans, current example McCain with the helicopters, seem to think they can arrogantly and stupidly say anything and their influential supporters will just massage it to manipulate public opinion. It sure would be nice to have a Republican Party that responsibly and honestly competed in the best interests of the people instead of just being obnoxiously totally focused on playing the political games.

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Tim Welsh, St. Louis MO — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:38:25 GMT

Tzalaran - the fact is, big business has been outsourcing jobs for cheaper labor for longer than they have been creating jobs.

And why do you think that is? Here's a hint. Offshore sites labor costs are a lot cheaper then the in the US. The US and State governments load up businesses in the US with taxes, regulations, hiring requirements. Unions specify how much their members will make and that you cannot fire them. Environmental laws make it more and more expensive for these businesses to operate. All these taxes and regulations have driven the businesses offshore.

The cause of the migration of jobs to offshore sites is caused by the government. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Jeff, Chicago, IL — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:38:29 GMT

So far, the people who didn't vote for Obama have been proven to be correct. Since Obama has been in office, unemployment numbers keep rising and the stock market keeps falling. Every time Obama or one of his economic advisors speak, the stock market falls further. He has only made things worse with his policies. It is a shame there is a certain sector of our population that is so simple-minded that they can be influenced by his strong oratory skills and are not intelligent enough to understand his disasterous policies.

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Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:38:57 GMT

"GONZO-GATE", IT JUST WILL NOT FADE AWAY. STAY TUNED.

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Anita, Birmingham, Alabama — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:39:58 GMT

Friend from the North

You just said a mouth full and it's is much appreciated by me.

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T.Waters, KY — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:40:32 GMT

erry Des Moines - Did you ever, ever see that man [Bush] extend a hand to the other party like President Obama has publicly.

Yeah. To Ted Kennedy. No child left behind act. Then there was that $600 billion perscription drug bill Bush worked on with the Democrats.

Need more proof?

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Lynn Wheatly — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:45:00 GMT

"That Hope and Change working out well for you? "

Well, Lynn, I'm willing to give the guy a chance instead od whining straight out of the gate. Bush was allowed to screw up as long and as much as he wanted without a peep from the right wing. Why doesn't Obama get a chance? How's that working out for you? Make you feel satisfied? And you most certainly DID insinuate that 10,000 people (more like 40,000 when you include family members) was "nothing."

Oh, yeah - I'm in the middle class, so I don't pretend like I can't or shouldn't pay some taxes to run this country - that's for rich people to say.

You're avoiding the issue Lee. The issue is that government barely lays off it's people vs. the private sector. That's been proven to be true, both in California, and across the country, at the federal, state, and local level. It's about a 100:1 ratio that private sector jobs take the brunt of all layoffs. So what does Obama do? He rams through a government bailout bill. That is insanity.

And I'm happy for you. Happy that you enjoy being the #1 taxed state in the union. Good for you.

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Jackson, Seattle — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:46:06 GMT

IT took 8 years or more for our economy to get to this point.

Chuck of Philadelphia PA

Eight (8) years???????

How about the Clinton Market Crash of 1997?????

Were you even born then???????

Ed Crane, Middlebury, IN (Sent Tuesday, February 24, 2009 11:33 AM)
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Despite the "Clinton Crash" of 1997, he was still able to right the ship enough to leave office in 2000 with a budget surplus.

Funny how you didn't mention that.

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Nashville_fan — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:46:58 GMT

"What's striking about the Republicans posting here is that they are only concerned about "their country", the stock market, their "principles" and big business.

Absolutely no concern for actual people other than themselves.

As Jesus said, by their fruits you will know them.
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Since I posted this in two places wanted to apologize in two places - did not mean to paint with such a broad brush.

I regret not putting the word "many" in front of the word "Republican" in the above post. In the words of the President "I screwed up".

I'm sorry.

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moir — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:48:09 GMT

Presidents can set agendas and make promises but it is the cooperation of the Congress and the President, working together that will make things happen. GW Bush promised and stated the importance of going green energywise yet he continued to relish the profits made by the oil companies and his pals who were wallowing in the black goo. I have faith that what President Obama says he wants done will get done but, of course, time will tell.

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Inthemiddle, TX — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:48:18 GMT

NO ED I Have Not Forgot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have not forgotton about that time. You see, my small amount of investments more that doubled during a 3 year period while Clinton was in office. He also left the country with a surplus. Oh Yes I Do Remember Those Day Well! ! ! I would gladly take them back any time! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
When “W” became President they started to drop and now they are nearly nothing. I would have a hard time buying a good used car with them now! I know what happened to my 401K!

H. Martin, Louisville, KY (Sent Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:51 AM)

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You invested in a DOT.COM and that is why your stock went up. GWB had 6-7 yrs of low unemployment along with substantial GDP growth. Is it Bush's fault that America has all of these 1 industry towns? Did Bush create NAFTA? Did Bush create the Community Reinvestment BS, Did Bush ever say Fannie and Freddie were solvent? I can go on and on. Use Google sometime before you start running off at the mouth.

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Tarzan Mike — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:48:31 GMT

Product = all goods and SERVICES
we are transitioning into a service based economy, and by generating a new green economy there will be plenty of new technology that can be exported to increase the product.

Oh yeah? Whens that happening? 5 years? 10 years? 25 years? What's the plan for that? Will it be like our prescription drug makers in the US where they do all the R&D, then a country like Canada, China, and India just steal the final product and make it below our cost? Or do you think those countries will play fair?

The government produces ZERO GDP. Always has. Always will.

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Jackson, Seattle — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:51:17 GMT

Jawillie, Please join us in Dallas on the 27th. Too bad you missed Seattle on the 16th, Denver on the 17th, Mesa AZ on the 18th, and Kansas on the 21st. Coming up is Chicago, Dallas, Fort Worth, MO......we're just getting started. I'll be sure to let you know if I find out when one hits Philly.
Plenty of FACTS (Sent Tuesday, February 24, 2009 11:55 AM)
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I live in Seattle, and, not only did I not witness the one on the 16th, I didn't even hear about it on the news.

Guess you weren't very successful.

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Richard, Washington State — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:00:38 GMT

Terry, Disabled Vet:

Just commenting on the fact that it's always a toss-up as to whether both parties will stand up at an applause line, especially one that might be based on something you don't agree with.

I'm also assuming that all present will be on their feet for a sustained entrance applause. Even Democrats were that polite. But they also took care to demonstrate their symbolic disagreement when it was appropriate.

So, if some Republicans don't stand up and applaud nationalizing health care or raising taxes, I simply regard that as unsurprising and normal.

Just like when Democrats do it. Let's not attach any more drama to it than we have to, OK?

I also find that breathing into a paper bag helps sometimes. And you're holding your finger on the exclamation point key a bit too long, too.

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Jackson, Seattle — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:00:46 GMT

why Obama is winning the bipartisanship argument without necessarily being bipartisan (outside of soliciting GOP opinions without really acting on them).
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A perfectly captured thought. He's all show when it comes to soliciting those opinions, and has no intention of ever listening to them. And no one calls him on it.
Spend baby spend (Sent Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:22 AM)
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Because, rather than call him on it, they are too busy crowing about the changes they *were* successful in making happen. See, some of them are trying to work with the president, some are actively working to obstruct, and some are crowing about having been successful. This should tell you that members of the party have different ideologies, and that maybe the leadership should be listening to that? But you know they won't.

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Thomas Jefferson 2009 — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:29:29 GMT

No point in reading GOP opinions from readers here as they are all awaiting to listen to their leaders talking points named Limbaugh and Hannity et Al. Once in a while, some genius will call Obama MONBerry for "monkey" and "Berry" his Christian name followed by some vitriol ranting. The annual declining southern GOP base is chuckling (and saying way to go), but is this their appeal to independents and millions of voters who actually formulate opinions on the pressing needs of her nation, instead of the desire of her bombastic hate radio war lords!?

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Rob, from Iowa — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:34:33 GMT

Josh Larson, FL,

Try turning the TV off after the speech, and make up your own mind.

My dad taught me that. Cuz the "talking heads" tell you what to "think" about the speech. They teach you "what" to think, not "how" to think. I now turn the TV off after the speech. Then the next morning the "talking heads" usually have a 180 degree perspective from me.

I learned more from hearing my dad's friends walk over to the house after the speech and talk about it.

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Tony in Philly — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:34:46 GMT

I like President Obama. I'm interested to hear what he has to say.

I'm sure not everything his administration tries will make everyone happy or be 100% successful...

...but I'm glad someone else is getting at turn after all the crappy crap we've seen over the past 8 years.

Not everything happens immediately - let him explain his plan. Congress, let him carry OUT his plan. Then, when it either succeeds or fails, let the voters decide whether or not he's worth a second chance.

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Terry, Disabled Vet, Des Moines, IA — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:35:36 GMT

Richard, Washington State, my point is that this mess needs all parties to fix it and the Repuke party is still not getting the message that this is a national crisis!!!!! I will hold down any key on my key board as to bring attention to the sentence!!!!!At least I am not using all capitol letters. Yes it is a toss up as to who will stand up, but let me remind you the Repuke party has been grand standing on the bailout plans by using fingers in the shape of a zero to let people know that not one Repuke was voting. You see the Repuke party just wants it their way and only their way, they have no sense of compromise, and I realize that that goes both ways as well. Until this band of Repukes realize that it will require working together to fix this country, they will always be the enemy of this country. I will never again be quiet or let a political party whether Dems or Repukes call me UNPATRIOTIC!!!!

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Texas American — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:37:02 GMT

"Big Business should pack up and leave America and move to more business friendly countries.

The climate here towards Big Business in now Hostile and they are not welcomed. "

I will throw on my low brow GOP hat and say to Ed Crane in language terms he will understand. "Surrender Monkeys"! The GOP has thrown in the towel, don't they love America, they must be from France. I better find a tax heavan for Limbaugh's loot as he's telling his listener hordes that "they" are coming for him. To think millions of these listeners spend 7-10 hours a day listening to this crap. We can formulate $400 billion in lost GDP if these guys actually worked instead of whining about government all day.

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jawillie, Philadelphia, PA. — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:46:48 GMT

>>>Jawillie, Please join us in Dallas on the 27th. Too bad you missed Seattle on the 16th, Denver on the 17th, Mesa AZ on the 18th, and Kansas on the 21st. Coming up is Chicago, Dallas, Fort Worth, MO......we're just getting started. I'll be sure to let you know if I find out when one hits Philly.
Plenty of FACTS (Sent Tuesday, February 24, 2009 11:55 AM)

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So in other words, fringe groups of Limbaugh Zombies. Sounds amusing. Can't wait. Will be sure to bring my camera (along with a cross and garlic...oh, wait, that's for vampires. Sorry.)

http://jawillie.blog.com

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Tec-Spring-Tx — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:59:53 GMT

Inthemiddle, TX
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Your comments sound like they are repeated directly form the Rush Limbaugh show. Need to quote mark those comments or confess that you are the Great Rushmouth himself.

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Anita, Birmingham, Alabama — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:05:15 GMT

One more thing...

Chris screaming Mad Money Cramer got it wrong before when you had him on Hardball to discuss the TARP bail out and if it would work. If I recall correctly, he said that it would ( wouldn't trust him with my money), it seems to me that it didn't.

Another thing, clear your damn conscious whith the sterotypical thoughts of racisium. How dare you say that President Obama is mealy mouth? Are you or wwere you elected President?

Gee, you must be one of those people that think that Africian American males aren't qualified, are cowards and should be living up to your low moral throughts of who and what you've considered them as being.

I noticed that you didn't offer an apology when you were "absent" when the racist Pat and Mike spoken their sterotypical depliction of Black folk in America. Was I offended as a citizen? Hell yes I was.

I also noticed that you've fliped the script because wall street isn't geting a bail out none to soon and it's affecting, no doubt a great deal of your money and your old Buddy Mike Banicle's wife job at Bank of America.

Which fence are you sitting on? I can respect people that remain grounded on a single principal, reguardless of what that principle is. Stop fueling doubt and be the professional person that I know that you are.

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Heartlight3, Maui Hawaii — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:09:51 GMT

"Obama is winning the bipartisanship argument without necessarily being bipartisan (outside of soliciting GOP opinions without really acting on them)."

Bipartisanship does not mean incorporating Republican ideas just because they came from Republicans. They have to be good and helpful ideas. Suggesting we continue the policies that brought us to this state and expecting that to be included in the bill and then whining that their ideas aren't included is stupid. If the Republicans had any ideas that are likely to work, they might be included more.

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Jerry Hamilton, Phoenix, AZ — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:16:15 GMT

I'm going to show my ignorance and make the following observations. One, I do not see how you can spend $787 Billion and still cut the deficit in half in 4 years. Two, about 63% suipport the stimulous bill which I believe means 63% are going to be very disappointed in a short time. Three, regardless of their problems and internal chaos, the Republicans are the only ones who have their eye on the ball and not on Obama. On top of everything else, this is the United States and - somehow - having a President named "Obama" just don't sound right; sounds like a third-world country dictator or something.