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Kay P Tempe AZ — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:53:39 GMT

And Obama is supposed to be the Fear Monger In Chief - what is WRONG with these people? People may choose to not buy into their employer's insurance plan because the premiums mean they can't pay rent/mortgage, utilies and food. Obviously this guy has had insurance the majority of his bloody life! HE ought to try to 'go naked' for just twelve months and find out what the REAL world is like without insurance. WHAT a buffoon. I'm glad Tamra came back at him - she is quite an interviewer! Is 'socialism' the new buzz word? next to 'French Socialism' - these guys need to get a new play book. Oh. Yeah. their view of the real world is at the end of a kaleidoscope.

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Brian Crooks, Naperville, IL — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:55:01 GMT

Is he BRAIN DAMAGED?! The country is strongly in favor of universal health care. It's pathetic that in the greatest country on the planet, people die or go broke because they don't have adequate health insurance. What a loon!

For the record, there's a pretty simple way to distinguish socialism from capitalism from communism. Here's how it goes.

In a capitalist society, your cow is your cow. In a socialist society, your cow is everyone's cow. In a communist society, your cow is the government's cow. Unless President Obama says that we're doing away with private ownership of assets altogether, this is NOT socialism. I wish these GOP clowns would read a book before opening their mouths and spouting off labels.

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BrianC, Longmeadow MA — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:55:38 GMT

Let's see...."socialism"..."class warfare"..."so we oughta all be worried about it"..."health care is a privilege"...

I am so tired of the GOP rhetoric. It is all scare tactics with no viable solutions. Do the GOPers not realize that their oppostion to most progressive ideas is class warfare.

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Fed up with wing nuts, USA — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:56:01 GMT

Did this clown Wamp get his trianing from that other bozo from Minnesota who claimed their were traitors in Congress? What a moron. No wonder the GOP is lower than a snakes belly in a wagon rut.

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Chandler W. — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:56:07 GMT

I think the Senator meant to say what he first said. Health Care is a privilege. How nice. Would someone tell him that we are one of the only countries that does NOT have universal health care!

Class warfare? I guess telling those that cannot afford health care - too bad. So if someone making minimum wage has cancer, and can't afford treatments, is the Senator willing to let the person die?

And he comes from the Party that is pro-life.

And it's time to stop with the socialism stuff. Look up the meaning.

Every country will move forward into the 21st century, but we won't if we listen to the idiots who spout opinions, not facts.

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Chris - IL — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:58:31 GMT

Seriously, the answer to everything is tax cuts???

When the republicans consider their position in today's America, and they wonder why they are a party in decline, they need look no further than their only solution to any problem . . . tax cuts!

I'm curious about Wamp's statistic that "half the people today choose to remain uninsured."

Is that half the total population? Half the population of uninsured? Where does he get that number?

Obviously the only solution is to offer tax incentives. Because to do anything else would be socialism.

Perhaps the republican party can replace "country first" with "cut taxes or your a socialist!"

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MSierra, SF — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:59:55 GMT

'...Zach Wamp, the always self-assured Tennessee congressman, was on MSNBC this morning, railing against any health-care reform effort, calling it a move toward “socialism” and that Obama was engaging in almost “class warfare.”

Video: Rep. Zach Wamp discusses President Obama's health-care summit with MSNBC's Tameron Hall.

Wamp went so far as to say, "Health care is a privilege,"...'

Freudian slip ?
Or not slip at all ?

This is what they really believe

Let them eat cake

PS
Some lame brain is impersonating me again, taking shots at Ted Kennedy

Ted Kennedy is the Liberal Lion of the Senate

Are you ashamed of your own comments ?
Afraid to take responsibility for them ?
(Moon Dawg)

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Dahle, Redlands, CA — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:00:29 GMT

"...for some people it's a right,” Wamp said, “but for everyone, frankly, it's not necessarily a right..."
That is one of the most incoherent things I've heard in a long time, and it would be laughable it there weren't peoples' lives at stake here.

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katiec Pekin, IL — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:00:31 GMT

Once again, proof the republicans have lost touch with reality and humanity.It is not the fact that most American opt out of health care, it is because millions cannot afford it.
I would like to see proof of his statistics that state half of the 47 million that are offered health care do not take it. Methinks it is another distortion offered, among many, by the republican party.

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Dahle, Redlands, CA — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:00:46 GMT

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eagle1776 — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:02:08 GMT

Mr. Wamp is a bit katty wampus on his thinking. I hope he is aware that someone who makes 30K a year can hardly affore $1000 a month for insurance premiums plus the copay etc.etc.etc. It is good that he gets free medical insurance paid by tax payers but we aren't all that fortunate.

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Math Teacher, San Antonio — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:02:20 GMT

So, how's the education system in Tennessee? If the congressman really believes what he's mouthing, the schools he attended must be in the Zwamp.

On the other hand, maybe the guy's just a cynical sociopath who thinks he can keep himself on the government payroll, and the lobbyists' gravy train, by spewing wingnutese.

When I was growing up, the right wing was calling the Tennessee Vally Authority "socialism." Do you suppose that Wamp's constituents who benefit from TVA would prefer that it be sold to Halliburton?

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Suz in KS — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:02:39 GMT

wow. We need to get idiots like this out of Washington. They don't know the facts and don't want to learn them if they interfere with their ideology. Yup...time for Wamp to go and both sides to understand what bipartisan really means.

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Robert, Beckley, WV — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:05:00 GMT

How heartless can the Republicans get? I know of people who are working full time, or as many hours as their employers will give them, who earn barely enough to get their families through the month, and who would work longer hours if allowed to, who don' have health insurance BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT!! In one case, the employer, Radio Shack, offered a so-called health care plan with a huge co-pay but with such a substantial deduction that the worker could not afford it. Now comes this idiot from Limbaugh-land who says they CHOSE not to have insurance!? What planet does he live on... and would he please return to it??

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Ron Indiana — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:05:45 GMT

Zach Wamp: Join the ranks of all the other Republican Rightwing-nuts who are obstructionists. Rush is so proud of you. This nonsense about socialism. Didn't someone tell you about medicare, medicaid, public schools, post offices, (now banks, and probably the auto industry) You are just as dumb as Pat Buchanan, Scarbrough, Limbaugh, McConnell, Canter and Boehner. You need to find some new friends. BTW Zack, Health Reform will pass both the House, the Senate and will be signed by President Obama. So...if American become ill, they will be covered.

BTW: As a Congressman, you have health care. Is that a right or a privilege.

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Class Warrior, D.C. — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:06:37 GMT

I myself do not believe health care is a privilege. That often works out to an equation that says that health, and even continuing to live,is a privilege. The same people who are so worried about the lives of unborn children will let those children sicken and sometimes die for lack of medical care, because, afterall, it's a privilege of the wealthy. That's not socialism, that's compassion, something I'm afriad manyon the far right lack. As far asbeing "classwarfare"...BRING IT ON!!

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Something to Shot For — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:07:53 GMT

With the US federal government takeover and running of health care run as well as say, the public school system?

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Randy — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:08:19 GMT

Myopia: The disease of the GOP.

I suppose they like being near the bottom of health care rankings of industrialized nations.

Thank jeebus they are no longer anywhere close to power (except, of course, for their leader, El-Rushbo!)

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Rufus, C-Town, Wash — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:08:47 GMT

Alright, how about we take away Zach Wamp's healthcare then? Does he consider his own healthcare a redistribution of his constituents wealth since they in effect pay his wages and benefits?

Also, I don't think the answer should be in the tax code. Haven't we concluded that the tax code is already far too complicated and full of loopholes? Wouldn't placing healthcare deductions in there just add to it?

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KP, Manhattan Beach, CA — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:09:12 GMT

You know what? Health care is a privilege because only certain people (like Wamp) can afford it - certainly I think if you asked someone who can't afford health care whether they'd want it you'd find that they do. What a tool. No wonder the Republican numbers are in the toilet.

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moir — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:11:26 GMT

So Mr. Wamp wants to continue the system we have now. No suggestions from the party of NO, just complaints. The healthcare system we have now is too expensive for the average person. Costs need to be affordable. President Obama wants that. He is not advocating for free healthcare or a "Socialist" system. He nor any other prominant Democrat has. We cannot let our people die or suffer because they can't afford health care. People turn down the health care offered by their employer, if they have one in this economy, not because they don't want it but because they can't afford the huge deduction that will come out of their check. If Mr. Wamp would TALK TO REAL PEOPLE instead of spouting the party talking points he would not be saying the garbage he is.

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moir — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:11:27 GMT

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Tzalaran — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:11:33 GMT

Socialism, Socialism, tax cuts, tax cuts.

do you people listen to what you're saying?

not one plan i've read or listened to from Obama has promoted a single payer system that the congressman (i use the term loosely) is suggesting. another straw man argument from a republican. surprise surprise. we can't counter his real policies, so we'll make up a policy and credit it as his plan, then we can attack attack attack this lie we created.

i just summed up american politics for the past 50 years.

many people are opting out of health care because it takes over half their pay. (my wife brings home $500 every 2 weeks but grosses $900, $300 every 2 weeks for coverage for her and our 2 sons. i get mine for $15 every 2 weeks from my employer, but it would be over $200 to cover my sons)

if the system is broke, shut up and fix it. playing politics has never solved a problem in this country, compromise and meeting problems head on has.

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Beverly in Chicago — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:11:41 GMT

Wamp went so far as to say, "Health care is a privilege," before clarifying that he meant, “It's not necessarily a right” for those who choose not to pay for health care.
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I see the Hit parade (obstructionist Republicans) is out. To stop draconian slashes in social programs is very un-democratic. Don’t confuse socialism with needs of Americans sprung from socialistic capitalism of Nixon, Reagan, and the Bushes.

Many people chose not to have health care because they can't afford the premiums, doctors, clinics, or co-pays. Your argument is so illogical. In fact, it is equivalent to a "privilege" being a pandemic of continental proportions.

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Jesse St.Paul Minnesota — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:12:39 GMT

JUST ANOTHER RED STATE RED NECK WHO DOSN;T GET IT.SO FOR THE UNDER-EDUCATED HERE IT IS.IF SOMEONE GOES TO THE HOSPITAL AND THEY DON'T HAVE INSURANCE THEY STILL GET TREATMENT,AND THE STATES HAVE TO PAY.I GUESS IN TENNESSEE THEY PUSH THEM OUT THE DOOR AND GIVE A REBEL YELL,YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN.WHEN PEOPLE DON'T HAVE INSURANCE THEY TEND TO NOT SEEK MEDICAL ATTENTION,SO THE PROBLEM GETS LARGER AND SO DO THE EXPENSE.I WOULD THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD UNDERSTAND BUT THEN THERE IS TENNESSEE,WHERE SCUM PONDS OVERFLOW,WHERE POO FOLKS GET NOTHING.THIS IS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY,THIS IS WHY THEY ARE WHERE THEY ARE.OUT OF TOUCH,OUT OF IDEAS,OUT TO LUNCH,AND RUSH THE POPPER IS THERE LEADER.RIP.

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Rosie, crestiview, fl — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:14:33 GMT

Zach Wamp is saying that health are only for the rich, and dammit I am going to make sure it stays that way. Zach wants all poor and middle class people to die.

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Class Warrior, D.C. — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:14:36 GMT

Another thought...isn't Congress's health care system, a system Wimp takes advantage of---paid for by taxpayers, many ofwhom can't afford their own---socialism at it's dasterdliest? Just wonderin'

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HT Wells, NY — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:15:08 GMT

Wamp is correct. Many of the so called "45 million" without insurance choose not to be covered. So the White House argrument "you won’t hear many people saying, ‘I don’t want health care,’”" is yet another lie.

Of the remaining 20 or so million that "don't have insurance", many are in transition between jobs and are only without insurance for a short time. That's what COBRA was designed to handle.

So in reality, there is less then 10 million in a county of 350 million, less then 3% of the population, that are not covered by health insurance. And these numbers are before adding in the children covered by SCHIP, so people not covered is probably down under 2%. And for that we're going tear down our for profit health care system and let the federal government run it? Not a chance we let that happen.

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Julie, Palm Desert, CA — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:16:10 GMT

Funny, I don't see him saying that he is against the taxpayer paid health care for HIM and his fellow politicians. And when I went without healthcare, it wasn't by choice, it was because I was single wht no children making 20k a year and I was evidently living too large and made too much money for state health care.

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Free American Tehachapi Ca. — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:17:06 GMT

Will the Obama kingdom put doctors on government payroll? With salary caps?

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Nj — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:17:39 GMT

The US health care system is a DISGRACE. Greed, Abuse and corruption are involved here as well
WAKE UP PEOPLE.
When a family has to pay 12-14K a MONTH for health care the rarely use its a disgrace.

I have a friend who is a Doc and he says its disgraceful. The amount of waste and over charging that goes on i hospitals and with Docs is an outrage

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TEC-Spring-Tx — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:17:42 GMT

Most people who chose not to pay for health care insurance do so because they cannot afford the premium. Wamp revealed what the right wing conservative think, that like a car health care is a privilege. The right wing conservatives have become an elitist group, and they hire people like Joe the plumber, so they can say they speak for the little people. I am surprised that Joe was not a real little person. The conservative right wing cannot see the forest for the trees as the saying goes. They do not see that coverage for all could cost less for all. We are already paying for the uninsured, underinsured and insured through cost of goods, services, taxes and health care premiums.

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matt — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:18:51 GMT

I'm guessing we won;t see this as a big red-bold headline on Drudge today...

Just more damage control needed for thew GOP. A lot of that as of late.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

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No Choice - You Need To Pay Up — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:19:14 GMT

If you go around the country, you won’t hear many people saying, ‘I don’t want health care,’” a White House source said,

People choose not have insurance on all sorts of things. I would expect those people would be called pro-choice. Now maybe the White House is saying they know of nobody that would turn down "Free" coverage. Well, any person with a brain knows that nothing in life is free, so they know some money is coming out of their pocket to pay for it.

I guess people like Obama that want to "give" mandatory "free" things away are anti-choice then?

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Union Baby, Tennessee — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:19:35 GMT

Gosh darn it Zach, if government is so evil, how could you stand to be part of it for all these years? And why do you do everything with the big prize for you being governor of Tennessee?
Probably because you are a silly,silly rich man who cares little about anyone else. How do I know? I live in Tennessee and I watch this guy very closely and so far he gets a no vote from me. He may play well in the wealthy areas and in the upper east Tennessee counties (which is crazy since most of them don't have jobs or health insurance), but his nonsense just won't fly well in the rest of this state.

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GP NW Indiana — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:22:35 GMT

Wamp went so far as to say, "Health care is a privilege," before clarifying that he meant, “It's not necessarily a right” for those who choose not to pay for health care.
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Well if we were all immune to disease and accidents then we could choose to not pay for healthcare...but people don't have that choice, just like they don't have a choice when they need the police to help, or the fire department to come put out a fire. Or rescue workers to come to aid after a storm or natural disaster.

You pay for those services? You may never utilize them in your lifetime but they affect your safety and health don't they?

And if you are so against socialism, then start by denying the benefits you get as a congressman, because you guys are getting everything from govt....
including free healthcare, social security, and a generous pension you don't have to pay into.

Hypocrite

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pmorris, Abq NM — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:24:00 GMT

What does this guy not understand about "Too expensive for some people?" I work at a major university and there are people who can't afford the insurance because their pay is too low!

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MSierra, SF — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:24:50 GMT

This house of cards is FALLING APART

"there is no smoking gun to show that Coleman was robbed."

Norm Coleman, Give up the Funk !!

From HuffPost:

'...Minnesota Paper That Endorsed Coleman Scoffs At Re-Do Election

A Minnesota newspaper that endorsed Norm Coleman for Senate is calling on state officials to ignore the former Senator's call to overturn the election results on the basis of objectionable tallies.

New Ulm Journal editorialized on Thursday that, absent "proof of voter fraud or systemic unfairness," the court system in Minnesota "should ignore the call to overturn the election."

In penning the piece, the paper -- which supported the former Senator during the campaign -- became one of a series of news outlets to weigh in critically on Coleman's late-in-the-recount plea. WCCO's Esme Murphy declared that "there is no smoking gun to show that Coleman was robbed." Lori Sturdevant of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, wrote that Coleman's "suggestion that 'the court is going to have to reflect'" on an election do-over, is just another of his "many legally fanciful ideas." And the Minneapolis City Pages ran the headline: "Coleman suggests an election redo, state cringes." ...'

You LOST !!

HA ! HA !

Poor little Norm !!

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Little Nardi — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:26:08 GMT

It's kind of a "we're tired of you and we're not gonna take it anymore" kind of thing.

BHO has to go
BHO has to go
BHO has to go

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budintexas — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:27:56 GMT

I say to Zack Wamp, that being stupid is not a right, but a privilege; and you seem very adept at exercising that right.

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PAUL — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:28:08 GMT

Republicans... little more than economic racists.

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Cannon, Philly, PA — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:28:44 GMT

You know what? If Pres Obama's reform stops the private healthcare sector from making gobs of money hand over fist WITHOUT fulfilling their duty in administering funds to help people who need it, then I'm all for it. I could care less about some HMO executive not making millions of dollars at year with these inflated healthcare cost.

Bottom line, this is another attempt by the GOP fat cats to block anything that stops their HMO exec connections from paying them.

And for anyone who says anything vaguely about how I should move to Canada or Europe, trust me I truly would because those citizens live longer and healthier. I can't because the Bush Economy drove the price of the dollar down so far I can't afford to.

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Rafael, Roswell, GA — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:30:09 GMT

"Wamp went so far as to say, "Health care is a privilege," before clarifying that he meant, “It's not necessarily a right” for those who choose not to pay for health care."

Who pays for Wamps' medical coverage ... WE DO! The Republican mindset is clear ... if you can't afford to pay for medical care (regardless of the cost) then SCREW you ... you have no right to live a longer life!

The new catch all buzz-word in the Republican lexicon is SOCIALISM! If it ain't Republican it's socialist! I say, "If it's Republican, it's BULLSHIT!"

Republicans disgust me!

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PTB - NE — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:31:17 GMT

We see how the government runs things. You liberals that want the government to run something as large and diverse as Health Care, please tell us what the government runs well on something that large of scale. Just point to one or two things you like that the government does. Then, can we expect the government to run Health Care as well as it runs the things you point towards?

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Doles, Miami, FL — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:31:26 GMT

The scary thing is they truly represent a segment of the population, albeit a small segment. It almost makes you want to say you're happy this brand is dying off.

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Mycroft, Chicago, Illinois — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:32:15 GMT

I would suggest anyone who is willing to be open minded and rational about U.S. Health Care read the short articles below.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10011

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9904

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ujw, ny — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:32:50 GMT

Maybe Rush Limbaugh will invite Rep. Wamp to his radio talk show so he can spew more ignorance. All these GOPers are vying for a leadership role but stick their foot in their mouth whenever a microphone is put in their face!

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Midwestern Girl, Middle America — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:21:48 GMT

This party is so out of touch, it just simply amazes me. Sir, with all due respect, you have health care for the rest of your life at our expense. We, however, are going broke trying to hold on to our "jump through hoops" policies, and even at that we are afraid to use them for what they won't cover. So sad. When did we just flat stop caring about each other?

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Jeff, Plainfield, Illinois — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:22:09 GMT

Half the people opt out of employee based health care because they CAN'T afford it. Bring the cost of health care down and that helps the economy!

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Me, Pittsburgh, PA — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:23:57 GMT

HEY HT WELLS! I AM ONE OF THE 45 MILLION WITHOUT HEALTH INSURANCE. I DO NOT CHOOSE THIS. MY FINANCIAL SITUATION CHOOSES IT FOR ME. IF I CHOSE COVERAGE, I'D HAVE NO MONEY FOR OTHER IMPORTANT THINGS LIKE RENT AND FOOD. SO, GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE RIGHT WING'S BUTT AND START THINKING CLEARLY.

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Walt, Mercer, PA — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:24:01 GMT

Just goes to show you how "HYPOCRITICAL" our wonderful representatives are! If they feel it is okay for people who can't afford insurance to die, why the hell did Jack Kevorkian get thrown in prison? Hmmm could it be because these people had insurance and he took the money train out of the wealthys back yard? Something to think about. I am highly amused how our government officials feel it is okay to bend all of our freedoms and laws so that it benefits the elite few while the rest of us suffer!

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Mike, Ohio — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:24:09 GMT

You know..it is really hard to control yourself when responding to such ignorant stupidity. What planet is this nitwit from? I challenge him to walk up to the child who’s father was killed fighting for this country and tell him he does not have the same rights as the priveiged few when it comes to healthcare. Or how about the son or daughter of the coal miner that was killed on the jobs 25 years ago? Again…I CHALLENGE this coward to confront these people and tell them they do not have the same right to healthcare as he does.

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H. Martin, Louisville, KY — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:24:49 GMT

Zach Wamp is saying that health are only for the rich, and dammit I am going to make sure it stays that way. Zach wants all poor and middle class people to die.
Rosie, crestiview, fl (Sent Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:14 PM)

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You are so right - but than who are they going to get to do all the dirty work - you know - labor, work in the plants, field, construction, etc. - when the poor and middle class are gone.

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Jaid — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:25:11 GMT

It is so tacky for a congressperson who receives publicly funded healthcare wants to deny it to the American people. These pompous bloviators and those who support them are simply hypocrites. The day they forfeit their publicly funded insurance is the day they will have the right to tell the rest of us what is a priviledge or a right.

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Patrick Columbus, Ohio — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:26:09 GMT

I love that those of us who believe that health-care, like any service, ought to be earned, are made fun of by the left. I had a child before I had health insurance.We thought we had pre-paid everything in cash. My son spent three days in the neo-natal intensive care. Our bill was somewhere around $19,000. We explained that we were not insured, and suddenly, the bill was $13,000. For two years, we ate in, didn't vacation,worked three jobs between us, and paid off our debt. Silly us, we should have just let welfare pay off our bill and lived beyond our means, I suppose. The difference being, I can look myself in the mirror every morning, 'cause I "manned-up". Those who claim they can't afford health insurance just aren't working hard enough!

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Jennifer, Portland OR — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:27:00 GMT

I just got billed $1100 for a mammogram, which seems a little excessive. I'd like to hear some ideas on how to bring basic care costs down without the government directly subsidizing them ( subsidies remove market pressure to keep the prices down ).

And BTW, your crappy Submit button doesn't work with Firefox.

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Jim Grundy Springfield, MO — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:28:53 GMT

Keep going Repubs! You may be as extinct as the Whigs before the end of summer.

Privilege,huh? Rush/Marie Antoinette in 2012!

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Greg Okc — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:29:05 GMT

I DO NOT WANT THE GOVT TO CONTROL EVERY ASPECT OF MY LIFE! WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND? THE GOVT SCREWS UP EVERY THING IT TOUCHES, WHY WOULD YOU WANT THEM TO CONTROL YOUR HEALTH CARE? WHY HAVE THE NUMBER OF UNINSURED NOT GONE UP IN 16 YEARS? HILLARY WAS QUOTING THE SAME 45K FIGURE IN 94? PEOPLE PLEASE QUIT LAPPING UP EVERY THING THE DEMS THROW AT YOU! IT IS NOT A BAD THING TO MAKE MONEY, IF SOMEONE IS WILLING TO MAKE THE PERSONAL SACRIFICES IT TAKES WHY VILLAFY THEM? OBAMA WANTS TO CHOOSE WHO HAS MONEY, I DONT CARE IF YOU ARE A FAR LEFT NUT CASE THIS SHOULD SCARE THE CRAP OUT OF YOU! ALSO THE FACT THAT THE PRESS AS A WHOLE WILL NOT QUESTION HIM WAKE UP!

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Bob Christenson, Bettendorf, IA — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:29:21 GMT

This Republican must get up every morning thanking God for Haiti and the Dominican Republic. The truist test of a heathcare system is INFANT MORTALITY. Without Haiti and the Dominican Republic, the US has the WORST INFANT MORTALITY in both the Northern Hemisphere and the Western Hemisphere. We have the MOST EXPENSIVE, LEAST EFFECTIVE healthcare system in the first world. Employer-sponsered healthcare makes American industry non-competitive with other first world countries. The largest single cost of our healthcare is qualifying people for service. A single-payer system puts ambulance-chasing lawyers out of business. EVERY industry in the US with the exception of insurance NEEDS a single-payer system.

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jawillie, Philadelphia, PA. — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:30:58 GMT

Ok, I'd like to play a game. Let's go down the list of GOP (Generally Obsolete and Pathetic) talking points, buzzwords and phrases to date. Cut and paste this in your postings and add to it and see how many we can come up with.

- Socialisim (that's "socilism" for the inbred amongst you)
- Redistribution of wealth
- Class warfare
- ACORN
- Pork in the stimulus
- Pork in the budget (despite that it's mostly REPUBLICAN pork)
- Train from Disney to Vegas
- Train from Disney to a Nevada 'ho house
- Nancy Pelosi is (fill in the blank)
- Harry Reid is (fill in the blank)
- Chicago politicians are corrupt
- Global warming is a hoax (because it snowed this week)
- Bush kept us safe since 9/11
- Clinton was responsible for 9/11
- The Democrats were in power for the past two years
- Obama's soft on terrorisim
- Obama's not being bi-partisan
- Obama's not from this country
- Obama's responsible for
- the stock market tanking
- the current recession
- TARP bailout
- executive abuses

Again, if you think of any more, cut and paste this in a future comment. I'm sure we can come up with a big long list.

http://jawillie.blog.com

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Alan, Pittsburgh, PA — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:31:03 GMT

The fact that there are people out there who think healthcare is only a privilege is meaningless to me. Absolutely meaningless. Universal coverage. Everyone pays, everyone gets. We will not suddenly start speaking russian and the water won't turn to vodka. The opposing opinions just aren't worth caring about anymore.

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john, Lancaster, Ca — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:33:20 GMT

Mr Wamp has no issue with taxpayers paying for his healthcare which is the case of every member of the congress. These people spewing nonsense on cable news are killing the GOP, they are vampires who after eight years of sucking the middle class, would have finished the job if we didn't stop them last november.
FDR built the middle class of this country. BHO will save it from these fools.

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Lisa K. South Portland, ME 04106 — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:33:29 GMT

Socialism, socialism, socialism....

Newsflash: That didn't work during the campaign. Won't work now, when the vast majority of people (including o good percentage of those who call themselves Republicans) approve of some system that guarantees healthcare for everyone. Especially when it's far cheaper than what we're doing now, and especially when the right flashes it's hateful side and says it's people's own damned fault when they can't afford the $400 month health care plan their employer offers. I mean, who needs rent and food and diapers, anyway?

These guys are getting more tone-deaf by the day. Good.

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Mike Appleton, Orlando, Florida — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:34:01 GMT

Rep. Wamp inadvertently allowed the truth to escape from his lips. Since we know that the insurance industry does not and will not provide decent insurance coverage for those most in need of it, the Republican argument that we should rely on market solutions is based upon a philosophical principle that they would prefer not to acknowledge, that health care should not be considered a right for every American. This is simply a variation on the underlying theme of Republican political thought, drawn directly from the pages of "1984": some animals are more equal than others. If indeed health care is merely a privilege, one would assume that Rep. Wamp would be the first to endorse eliminating health care coverage for members of Congress and their families as part of an overall effort to reduce deficit spending. Well...I'm waiting.

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Mike Appleton, Orlando, Florida — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:37:54 GMT

Rep. Wamp inadvertently allowed the truth to escape from his lips. Since we know that the insurance industry does not and will not provide decent insurance coverage for those most in need of it, the Republican argument that we should rely on market solutions is based upon a philosophical principle that they would prefer not to acknowledge, that health care should not be considered a right for every American. This is simply a variation on the underlying theme of Republican political thought, drawn directly from the pages of "Animal Farm": some animals are more equal than others. If indeed health care is merely a privilege, one would assume that Rep. Wamp would be the first to endorse eliminating health care coverage for members of Congress and their families as part of an overall effort to reduce deficit spending. Well...I'm waiting.

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Luigi — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:38:13 GMT

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CdV LA CA — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:39:38 GMT

Anna Molly is right, universal health care is not "socialism", it's "humanitarianism"

Quick story: My partner, a former cobol computer programmer is in school full time to "re-invent" himself and become a contributing (tax-paying) member of the working class in this country. He has been on blood pressure and cholesterol meds, but lost his healthcare when he lost his job. He called the "Free Clinic" here in LA to go in and get the scripts renewed. He was turned away because the $3000.00 per year he receives in educational assistance makes him ineligible for services from the "Free Clinic" as he "makes too much money." The pell grant he receives, $3000.00 per year is the only money he makes. And that's too much??? I guess those who run scared of "socialized medicine" would rather he have the heart-attack and then go to County Hospital (not a nice prospect at all) on the state's (tax payer's) dime. The good news is that the Nurse Pracitioner at his school was able to write the scripts for FREE and he got the medications (generic) at Target for $4.00. Now, you tell me that the "socialized healthcare" provided by a community college does not work. Oh and it increases the size and cost of government sooooo, soooo much - my butt!!!

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P Carey — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:39:57 GMT

Insurance is complicated, but it all goes by the same rules. Each customer pays a premium based on his/her mathematical probability of needing treatment this period. So consider, why does a for-profit agency that charges more than they pay out outcompete with a non-profit agency that by law has to break even? We need to take the laws as they stand that favor for-profit companies to win in the competition game and level the playing field so non-profits can follow the natural course and outcompete, as the math in it's pure form supports.

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nurse in atlanta, georgia — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:40:16 GMT

I am a family nurse practitioner in ga. I have been in our practice for almost 10 years. In that time, I have seen more families who are self- pay because they can't afford insurance. The monthly premiums are over $1000 for some of them. SOme have lost their jobs recently, and COBRA costs more than they get in unemployment. SOme have catastrophic coverage; meaning, their insurance only coveres hospital bills and nothing else. SOme have $40 co-pays and several thousand dollars in deductibles. Mr. Wamp is not being realistic about health care coverage. Big business wants universal coverage because it will be cheaper for them. Mr. Wamp apparently doesn't know what he is talking about; he needs to do a little research. But, I guess that would take time away from his cushy job and all the other perks he gets.

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jawillie, Philadelphia, PA. — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:40:35 GMT

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ARS — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:42:02 GMT

The GOP is "heartless"? You can say a lot of bad things about the GOP but since when is the government about having a heart? When is a good law made by politicians feeling at their electorate? Health care is a "right"? Since when do we get to demand as rights things which make enormous demands on our fellow citizens?

We have lots of good rights - to our property, for instance, but these are mostly negative rights. We have a right for government (sometimes) and other citizens NOT to take away our property. What does a right to health care mean? That there is a doctor somewhere who MUST treat you, regardless of what they get paid? Or if they're paid well (as they deserve), that you can demand that your neighbor foot the bill? We get into a really scary place when our rights make such enormous demands on others.

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rw, pa — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:42:51 GMT

PTD:

If you hate the American government so much why don't you move to Canada with thhe other traitors?

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Joe — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:43:04 GMT

If you are making anything close to minimum wage, you can't afford health care. You must choose a roof over your head and food in your stomach first. There isn't anything left over!

I'm tired of the idea that now we have class warfare. Where were these people when we were shoveling money at the wealthy in the form of tax cuts and special breaks?? There has been class warfare going on for the last 40 years. Only wealthy conservatives have been benefiting and they have kept very quiet. As soon as we start to reverse it, like jack-in-the-box Republicans, they start the cry "class warfare." It's been going on for over 40 years and they have been winning!

At the end of WWII, where everyone shared the economic burden and all groups (classes?) fought, we had the least difference in wealth distribution in the last 60 years. And how the conservatives have worked to reverse that!

Does anyone notice that one of the reasons that we are losing a competitive edge with other countries is that their companies are not saddled with the "benefit burden" our companies are. Reforming health care would go a long way to making us more competitive.

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KNH, HI — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:44:05 GMT

What Mr. Wamp meant to say was that only rich white guys are entitled to free health care - as a member of Congress he is "entitled" to the best health coverage available to anyone. He is a member of a government sponsored health care system and is therefore partaking in socialism for his family while trying to deny it for others.

Per Mr. Wamp, those who work for a living however do not deserve this largesse and free ride, that's reserved for members of Congress and their elite friends. Mr. Wamp must have a very narrow constituency; those who feel entitled to the government handouts for themselves but not for others.

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etherbunny, Sumter, SC — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:45:14 GMT

Mr. Wamp was absolutely disgraceful & out of touch. I sure hope this video wind up in the hands of his next challenger. He should volunteer to spend a year paying for his & his family's coverage. He should also have to spend that year living on unemployment compensation.

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Rob, from Iowa — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:45:40 GMT

Limiting the charitable deduction for "rich" tax filers to help pay for this plan makes sense from Obama's perspective. Less private charities means more opportunity for governement to fill that void.

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Chris - IL — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:46:21 GMT

Patrick Columbus, Ohio . .

Nice story. You are so right. All of America's problems could be solved by working harder. Because anyone that wants a job can become CEO and make millions.

Oh yeah. And tax cuts. And completely getting rid of all government because it is evil and does nothing well. Just let everyone take care of themselves. Give them guns and let the fittest survive.

Oh wait, that's evolution. You right wing nut jobs don't believe in evolution, do you?

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Regina, Phoenix, AZ — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:47:10 GMT

This is the reason Republicans should lose every election. They don't care about anything other than tax cuts and tax breaks for the rich and the business community. The Right Wing is pathetic!

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Zappa, San Diego, CA — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:47:57 GMT

Solution - Amend the Constitution so that health care is a right.

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Kevin S., Los Angeles, CA — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:49:04 GMT

Very good report, I was watching the interview this morning with disbelief. I was hoping somebody would point out the blatant and sweeping statements this character Wamp blurted out. Good job GOP in letting this guy speak, as he sounds both uneducated and completely out of touch with the outside world. A major victory for us Dems in gaining even more support.

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Juan,Ft Luaderdale,FL — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:49:48 GMT

I've worked in the hlthcare field now for 25 yrs and it pains me to hear daily frustrations from pts and their families why their hlthcare insurance is either denying claims up front and/or having to be d/c'd before their ready. The reason is simple because as long as we continue to put profits before our physical/mental hlth we will continue to have ignorant and insensitive idiots like Wamp who resorts to archaic names like "Socialism" to demonize universal hlthcare which every industrialized country has. SURE NO PROBLEM FOR CONGRESS AND THE ELITE BECAUSE US IDIOT TAX PAYORS PAY. It's okay that a 62 y/o female eats dog food so she can pay for her meds. Wake up people these career politicians are killing and bankrupting us so we're too weak to fight back. Ignore the fear mongering!

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jawillie, Philadelphia, PA. — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:49:54 GMT

I love that those of us who believe that health-care, like any service, ought to be earned, are made fun of by the left.
Patrick Columbus, Ohio (Sent Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:26 PM)
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So I guess that "services" like Police and Fire protection, garbage pickup, mail service, street cleaning, public schools, public recreation centers, public libraries, the military, various social services, etc. should be EARNED.

I said it before and I'll say it again. Do you people actually THINK before you write this stuff down, or do you just randomly type letters on your keyboard and hope they form coherent sentences (sort of like psychic auto-writing)?

http://jawillie.blog.com

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Concerned democratic middle class member — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:49:54 GMT

I've just completed reading all of these posts and I have just one statement and a couple of questions for those who have posted. Having worked ina cancer center for the last 20 years, I have seen approximately 10% of the people in their middle age, who are self employed, making 80,000 and above, who have chosen to not carry health insurance. They live in better homes than I and drive nicer cars. Unfortunately, once they are diagnosed with a severe disease, they have problems getting health insurance. Now, just to be clear, when they show up to the hospital, they are not turned down for treatment, they are just required to find a way to pay for it once they have been treated. We treat the rich, poor, indigent, legal and illegal immigrants at our facility (a private facility) regardless of insurance or no insurance. So whta I have seen in the current health care system is that everyone has access to health care, just not "free" health insurance. So my questions to those of you who posted above are these.

1. Who is going to pay for these people who have no insurance?

2. Who is going to pay for the increasing number of illegal immigrants that keep flooding our country (and I'm not referring to the people who immigrated here the legal way)

3. If this is going to paid for by tax dollars, is this going to be a new tax or as stated from the story above, the loss of some benefits in order to pay for new ones.

4. And give me one reason why if I were one of the privileged to be able to make over 250,000 a year should I be forced to pay more to cover the cost. (and for those of you who have not read the proposition, a small business owner who's net profit is in excess of 250,000 before expenses is put in that slot even though they may only have a salary of 70,000).

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Ben, Peoria, IL — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:51:13 GMT

It's obvious this Wamp guy has no clue what he is talking about. I guess he got his talking points for the day and doesn't know how stupid he sounds.

I can almost guarantee you that half the people that have no insurance did not have it offered to them.

Universal Health Care should be the law. If they want to call it socialized then I'll be happy to call it socialized, even they know that is not what it's all about.

Socialized means the government owns the hospitals and the Drs are government employees. Medicare is not socialized medicine, VA health care is.

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ColoradoBob — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:51:36 GMT

There's an awful lot of name calling here.
But in my opinion, Rep. Wamp is correct. There is no constitutional right to any level of health care. We are all free agents in the way we live our lives. Some of us eat too much, some of us drink too much, some of us put things in our bodies that are harmful and some of us don't exercise enough. So why should we all be "forced" to pay for someone else’s health care needs (read insurance) which are in a lot of ways a product of our own making.
Of course some will point to specific ailments or situations that cry out for compassionate action. But just as we don't want to help pay for our neighbors utilities, mortgage, cars, vacations or their other private activities; we probably don't want to pay for their health insurance. And of course, you can always take an extreme and use it for an argument, but that doesn’t make it right. Sure there are special emergency situations that all hospitals (I think by law) must not turn away. But does that carry forward to a federal government mandate that we must pay for your everyday health care needs, I don’t think so.
Lastly, railing against Republicans because they suggest that some proposed actions of the government carry a socialist flavor and calling them names does not advance your cause. They’re using the shorthand language that everyone understands and all politicians do it (Democrats, Republicans, and Independents).

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Dan C Los Angeles CA — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:11:55 GMT

I received a bill from a lab for some routine lab work my doctor ordered. My insurance carrier rejected it because the lab had the wrong insurance info. The lab wanted me to pay the full $450.00 -- I sent it back and asked them to resubmit it with the new correct information. The insurance paid $75.00 and my co-pay was $8.00 and the rest was 'forgiven' by the lab. What a crock!! No wonder our health-care is so expensive, especially for the uninsured.

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Mark, Fort Lauderdale, FL — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:15:15 GMT

In a way that he didn't intend, and I'm sure he now regrets, Rep. Wamp actually hit the nail on the head. Healthcare is not a right. Free Speech is a right, Habeas Corpus is a right. Something that is not intrinsic to an individual cannot be a right. What people are really trying to say is that "good health is a right" and everyone knows that's not true because people do not naturally always have good health. If good health were a right, then we could guarantee good health and that's not something that can be done. In the same way that health problems are not equally distributed, healthcare is not going to be equally distributed.

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Ray Ray, Indianapolis, IN — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:19:35 GMT

The cost of healthcare is way out of control, however; if you can't afford to pay your rent, food and healthcare you are living beyond your means.

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Sally, Atlanta GA — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:19:43 GMT

Zach Wamp -- what a name! Because he believes that health care is not a right, I suggest we take away Wamp's government-paid-for health care coverage, along with all the other perks like retirement at full pay, free postage, etc. Why is it those who condemn it are always those who have it for free???

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Deborah Greenlawn, NY — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:21:20 GMT

Class warfare is that this insensitive buffoon has
excellent taxpayer-paid healthcare. Opting out isn't an option either. Bam, you get cancer or fall off the roof, you get care. And who pays??? Those who are responsible enough and fortunate enough to have health care from their employer or can afford it.
The CLASS WARFARE is that certain income levels can afford it and many others can't. And these greedy, heartless Repubs. don't give a damn. It's all about cost.
When you are sick and injured, there IS no, 'Life, Liberty or Pursuit of Happiness'(which Windbag 'Leader' of the Republican Party, Limbaugh misquoted. What an American!)
Why don't the REPUBLICANS want the country to prosper?
Why don't they have any IDEAS to help?
Why don't they care about hurting AMERICANS?
Why don't they care that AMERICANS can't afford health care??

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Chris, Portland, OR — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:21:45 GMT

Amen ColoradoBob! Do you people not realize how much money the government already gives people who are disabled because they did not take care of themselves when they were younger. How many billions of tax dollars go out to the people who are smoking, drinking, and eating their way to disability or death? Why should I take care of myself if I am just going to have to pay for my neighbor's vices in the future? Also where do you think this money comes from? It certainly is not coming from government surplus. It is coming from your and my paychecks... that is if you work to begin with. So not only do I pay for my medical insurance as a premium already but now I have to pay yours. It is not a right, the constitution does not declare a right to free or even inexpensive health care. What is next, you can't afford to drive to work so the government supplies you with a car? Government daycare? Everybody from the age of 5 learns that mommy and daddy have to work to support us. We learn that some jobs pay better and have better benefits than others and that if we want to be successful and get these benefits we have to try and work hard to get them all of our life. Now we don't? The government should buy me designer handbags if a natural disaster destroys my home. The government should feed my octuplets and pay for my insemination because I am a single mom. The government should pay for my lift chairs and my housing because I am to obese to work. Do you know who pays for the government though? We do... I work hard to make $36k a year, which is not enough to buy a decent house or a cool car. The government takes $8k of that and redistributes it to others already. I have to work 2 1/2 months just to pay for the government already, I can't afford for it to get anymore expensive because you think you have rights to things you don't. It frustrates me to no end that you think you can take food out of my families mouth to help yours. If I have it to give I will, but don't think you have a right to take it, but if everybody is equally miserable at least we are all equal! Good job people

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LJ, Phoenix AZ — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:22:36 GMT

Wow, maybe we can wait months or years to get a medical procedure done like they do in Canada or England. Or just not get the procedure at all because we are too old and health care is "rationed" for younger patients. I grew up right on the Canadian border, and they flocked to the US for health care, which they had to pay for themselves.
No one is denied access to health care. Most medical professionals will work out a payment plan if you don't have insurance. However, many patients won't even make an effort to pay at all.

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GP NW Indiana — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:22:51 GMT

So I guess that "services" like Police and Fire protection, garbage pickup, mail service, street cleaning, public schools, public recreation centers, public libraries, the military, various social services, etc. should be EARNED.

http://jawillie.blog.com
jawillie, Philadelphia, PA. (Sent Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:49 PM)

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I've been saying this for awhile now and we need to spread this refrain...

We pay for Police and Fire protection that affect our health. We may never use it but we pay for it for the protection of AMERICA. Same should go for Health Care.

It's time to turn the page on profiteering off of peoples misfortunes. This is america where opportunity should be free not just barely affordable!!

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linda, L.I. NY — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:22:56 GMT

Why don't we rescind paying health care premiums for all government employees? Think how much the taxpayers would save if we refused to supply health insurance for local, state or fed gov't employees. Rep Wamp as well as most of the GOP should shut up as they are the receipients of taxpayer generosity, in many cases the same taxpayers who cannot themselves afford health insurance.

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george — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:23:09 GMT

In response to: "So I guess that "services" like Police and Fire protection, garbage pickup, mail service, street cleaning, public schools, public recreation centers, public libraries, the military, various social services, etc. should be EARNED.
jawillie, Philadelphia, PA. (Sent Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:49 PM)"

Yes, these services should and can be earned. Just about everything you list has been and can be offered by a free market, and therefore earned. One of your most obvious examples is postal service. FedEx and UPS do these jobs much better than USPS, and they are not insolvent like the USPS (trending toward a $6 billion loss this year).

Healthcare is like any other industry - Finite resources need to be efficiently allocated and can't be just "given" to everyone.
http://www.arbitraryvote.com

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teopa — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:23:29 GMT

" If indeed health care is merely a privilege, one would assume that Rep. Wamp would be the first to endorse eliminating health care coverage for members of Congress and their families as part of an overall effort to reduce deficit spending. Well...I'm waiting."
Mike Appleton, Orlando, Florida (Sent Thursday, March 0

Kudos to you my friend, so very well put.

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Brian Crooks, Naperville, IL — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:23:45 GMT

For all the people saying government can't run anything well, I'll point out a few things. The police tend to do a pretty good job. When was the last time you had to pay a cop to come when you call 911? The FDA does a pretty good job. Not perfect, but a lot of that is because they're underfunded. However, I don't recall having to cross my fingers when I bite into my burger. The Military does an exemplary job. Would you rather us have Blackwater mercenaries running around, fighting for the highest bidder? How about firefighters? Do you have to pay a hose fee before they put out your burning house?

When you let people who want to see government destroyed run the government, don't be surprised that they do a poor job (Katrina). When you let people who believe in a working government run the government, don't be surprised when they do a good job (Hurricane Andrew).

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G. Goodman, Falls Church, VA — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:24:21 GMT

The health insurance industry was supposed to contain costs with managed care.

Instead they created a bureaucracy that costs more to maintain than the problem it was supposed to solve. The quality of managed care deteriorates and their profits increase.

- Premiums rose four times faster than wages between 2000 and 2006 (Kaiser Family Foundation).

- Quality of coverage deteriorates with people spending more on premiums and copays and getting less care (Consumer Reports)

- Profits rose 170% between 2003 and 2007. (Snapshot of the Health Insurance Industry in the United States, 2008, nwfco.org).

They reap profits large enough to pay for health care for everyone in this country - and they have nothing to do with actually providing health care!

They spend a huge chunk of their profits on lobbyists and on political campaigns that target politicians who want to change the system and install shills like Wamp.

Tennesee led the creation of managed care, and TennCare, which is the umbrella for the private, for profit companies that run Medicaid and Medicare there OWNS Wamp's political butt.

I am all for an open debate on the subject, because it is complicated, but Wamp is so obviously engaging in scare tactics and a disinformation campaign it is beneath contempt.

That is apparently the only strategy they have left, shills and scare tactics, since there is nothing else to justify their bloodsucking bureaucracy.

The "choice" he is talking about? I got laid off and had to "choose" this month between paying my mortgage or paying my outrageous health insurance premium.

Characterizing that as a "choice" is deliberately disingenuous. And that "socialism" canard is just specious.

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Deborah Greenlawn, NY — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:25:23 GMT

What an ignorant,insensitive, moron. This guy is our tax dollars at 'work'.
He is NOT doing the already idiotic GOP any good with this spiel.

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G. Goodman, Falls Church, VA — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:27:45 GMT

Mycroft of Chicago Illinois, more intellectual dishonesty. The Cato Institute is a libertarian think tank with an agenda not a non-partisan source of information.

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Nikki, Maryland — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:28:05 GMT

"4. And give me one reason why if I were one of the privileged to be able to make over 250,000 a year should I be forced to pay more to cover the cost. (and for those of you who have not read the proposition, a small business owner who's net profit is in excess of 250,000 before expenses is put in that slot even though they may only have a salary of 70,000)."

This is a lie. The increase in tax is for income of more than $250,000. Once expenses have been extrapolated from profit, obviously the small business owner will have made significantly less than $250,000. And if he is claiming a salary of $70,000, then that's his income.

Do try to keep up.

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Uncle Ned — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:28:47 GMT

The Republicans keep undermining their own credibility lately as if they are trying to commit political suicide. This is bad because I'd hoped they'd provide a RATIONAL counter for any Democratic excesses, but now they'll be hard pressed to help provide a little political balance.

There seems to be some inherent flaw in the system that makes health care expensive; maybe the legal system is largely responsible for high insurance costs, but it is probably something else that also pushes costs up terribly. I am self employed and, although I have a very large deductible, my insurance cost is really quite reasonable. I don't think the system should be changed.

I suspect that most of those who "can't afford" health care for themselves have no one to blame but themselves for irresponsible financial planning (and in many cases, irresponsible family planning).

Is health care a 'privilege' for some?

mt1958 — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:29:02 GMT

If the people who choose not to pay for health insurance because it costs too much would now be able to afford it, then they probably would pay for it now that it will be cheaper. Also, I know some younger people opt out because they are young and don't think they need it, but then when they get into a car accident or get cancer or something now they are in dept up to their ears because they didn't have insurance. As was stated above, you can keep the insurance you now have through your employer if you like it. No one is forcing you to switch to something else. If this plan brings the cost down significantly, then we all win, businesses included. The hospitals and doctor's offices will get more business. There is a paranoid "socialism scare" out there by the right wing that is just not true. I know they are complaining about the banks being taken over by the government, but this is just temporary and only for those banks that took taxpayer money bailout. They need government monitoring right now to make sure they use this money they way they are supposed to use. They need oversight right now and new rules for oversight need to be implanted. Once they pay the money back and have guidelines in place to keep them honest, then the government can step out. Frankly, I wish someone had been watching what was going on before this whole mess started, government or some other outside source. Obama would not be going down this path right now if he didn't have to.

Is health care a 'privilege' for some?

Valorie, Houghton, MI — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:29:36 GMT

The problem with people like Zach Wamp is that he makes stuff up and offers it as fact. Take his statement that “of the 47 million uninsured, half opt out of their employer’s provided health care.” That statement is way off the mark, factually. But he makes it and then wants us to conclude that these people choose not to have health insurance and, therefore, don’t deserve medical care.

Let’s try the real facts. According to a February 2007 report by the Kaiser Family Foundation entitled “Medicaid and the uninsured,” of the 46.1 million uninsured, 80% are either eligible for public health insurance coverage or live in families with incomes below 300% of the federal poverty level. Only 19% live in families with incomes above 300% of the federal poverty level, where insurance coverage MIGHT – and only might – be affordable. http://www.kff.org/uninsured/upload/7613.pdf

What rock does Wamp live under, anyway?

Is health care a 'privilege' for some?

mary dale, clinton, iowa — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:37:11 GMT

I saw this clown on MSNBC and the commentator kept asking him what alternative ideas he had and he could not answer the question so kept on babbling the party lines. It was good to see a commentator keep at one of these blowhards for an answer, but eventually time ran out and she had to stop. Do these republicans really think that anyone who is currently living in the US and has a brain (the non-limbaugh crowd basically) is going to listen to the very party that has so ruined American economy? Give it up and try to help us you fool. Come back with some ideas, read the bills as they are, dont call it increasing taxes when its only for the rich, dont call it taking away medicare when it is only the rich who will get it reduced.