Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

newdayDawning — Tue, 26 May 2009 18:51:29 GMT

This, I am sorry to say, was bound to be the outcome. The court ruled on the technicality that the passage of Prop H8 was a revision and not an amendment, therefore taking rights away from a group. I really believe that they will have far more luck at the ballot box, and people need to be mindful that the Fourteenth Amendment provides protections for all, not just those you agree with. Californians are inherently fair, and I think will reverse Prop H8 as soon as they realize that they bought a load of garbage from the Mormon Church.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

GP NW Indiana — Tue, 26 May 2009 18:53:58 GMT

well this basically displeases everyone...

Those from the gay community continue to be told they are not equal in the eyes of government.

And those whom are against same sex couples marrying have to deal with same sex couples being married.

It is only a matter of time before all U.S. citizens have equal rights. You cannot stop progress...

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Anna Molly — Tue, 26 May 2009 18:56:38 GMT

I think it's important to note, which this short piece does not, that the challenge to Prop 8 was on technical legal grounds -- i.e., whether the question was a major initiative or a minor one, and then whether it was properly put on the ballot. Therefore, this was NOT a decision upholding the ban on same sex marriage in the sense that the story implies. On the merits it might have been a entirely different number; but all that would show is that most judges CAN put the rule of law over their own personal beliefs.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Anita, Birmingham, Alabama — Tue, 26 May 2009 18:58:09 GMT

Rachel Maddow, you called this right on Friday night. The decision to hold off reporting this was because the Supreme Court in Claifornia upheld Prop 8. Back to the polls you all should go.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Mike PAV — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:01:44 GMT

While I agree that gays should have the same rights as hetros The court upheld their constitution I commend them.

The real issue here is that the people of California voted against this and when the minority didn't like the outcome they decided to have it challenged in a courthouse. What's wrong here is that the majority have spoken accept it move on and do a better job of convincing voters why you deserve the same rights.

The courts should not dictate policy to the public it's the public's decision to vote for what they want even if I believe in this case they were wrong.

Take that away (which is happening to our country) and you've taken away what makes a great democracy great END OF STORY!

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Indie Woman in Denver — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:02:50 GMT

I lived in California for nearly half of my life (to date), and when Prop 8 passed last November I was in shock. I thought Californians were mostly of the "live and let live" persuasion, and not of the "you're going to hell if you don't believe as I do" mindset. I hope Californians get it right on the next go-round.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

pat huntington ny — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:05:29 GMT

Well, at least gays still have their 2d Amendment Rights, I say, use them with force.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Rob in Ca — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:07:04 GMT

Justice Carlos Moreno got it right... NO minority in California is safe and protected now against the bigotry and hatred of a majority which chooses to remove their rights. I hope blacks and Hispanics who voted for Prop 8 are proud of themselves today. When the vote comes to deport all illegal aliens from California back to Mexico, we'll see how happy they are that they have empowered the bigots in this state.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Julie, St. Louis, MO — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:07:54 GMT

Shameful, California. Just shameful.

Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others?

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Joe — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:09:30 GMT

I think it's time gays in California and across the country used their financial power to shut things down. When gays stop spending their money, or showing up for work, watch how quickly this economy dives deeper into the tank. Then let's see how the bigots respond.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

KLM in MI — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:12:35 GMT

This is a good thing. It is what the people voted for. Whether or not you believe in gay marriage, it's what was voted for. Try again next time.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Mike — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:15:08 GMT

So now, it seems, California's initiative process can be bought and paid for by the Mormon Church, the most bigoted and repulsive organization imaginable. Just who do you suppose they will target next? Latinos? Blacks? Jews? The answer is easy: they will target anyone they can get away with targeting, anyone who can engender enough fear or hatred. Californians who voted for Prop 8: SHAME ON YOU!

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

John Elton, Hiannis, Mass. — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:17:17 GMT

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Mike, West Hollywood CA — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:17:31 GMT

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Tired Of Double Standard PC Democrats — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:18:10 GMT

Hoorraayy! Congratulations Barack!!! Race and gender win the day!

Take that you evangelical Christian heterosexual WASP males!

Pray God, rest the soul of Martin Luther King and all the other civil rights supporters who fought, even to the point of losing their lives, that race, gender, national origin, skin color, disability would NOT be taken into consideration for job applicants.

There is justice and equality or there is retribution and vengeance.

Remember Barack: “It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer to limit, segregate, or classify his employees or applicants for employment in any way which would deprive or tend to deprive any individual of employment opportunities or otherwise adversely affect his status as an employee, because of such individual’s race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.”

What a flawless system you self-righteous lefties have worked out: If I DO take a persons race, gender or religion into consideration while voting or hiring then you accuse me of being prejudiced but if I DON’T take a persons race, gender or religion into consideration while voting or hiring then you accuse me of not being inclusive.

Which is it Barack?

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Barry Obama — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:19:54 GMT

What's the big deal? Men shouldn't be married to each other. Nor should women be married to women. That's just crazy.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Rob in Ca — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:20:46 GMT

Dear KLM in MI... how would you feel if the voters voted to deny YOU your rights... would you say, aw shucks, that's the way they voted, so I guess I should willingly let them take away my rights? Sure you would. Sure you would.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

pat huntington ny — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:22:10 GMT

Its this simple - as the Majority indicates, and the Dissent makes clear, its just too darn easy to amend the CA State Constitution...I mean, ok, I am not happy with the decision, but come one already! This is the door that is now being open - next year, gays get prop 8 amendment repealed, and replaced with prop ??? that amends state constitution giving gays right to marry. Two years later, anti-gay marriage advocates get prop ??? on ballot, and for some reason, that passes, repaling the one gays got the year before...back and forth, back and forth...I guess CA is a crazy state after all!

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Rob in Ca — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:23:24 GMT

Proposed: That marriage in California shall be only between a white man and a white woman. We don't think other races need apply. That way, we can keep the state "pure". Just like they tried to do it in Germany in the 1930s and 1940s. Any objections? Nah... this is California... now to be known as the home of the bigots.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

pat huntington ny — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:23:54 GMT

What does that mean "should never have been put up to a vote"? Everything is up to a vote...we live in a democracy. If you work in a place with 10 people and the boss says I'm buying lunch, you want McDonalds or Subway...6 vote McDonalds, 4 Vote Subway....it's McDonalds. The other 4 people saying that Subway is healthier so McDonalds never should have been brought up is lunacy. Just so you know....I DO believe that anyone has the right to get married BUT this IS a Democracy and the voters spoke
Mike, West Hollywood CA (Sent Tuesday, May 26, 2009 3:17 PM)

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if you believe that all rights are up to popular vote, then you don't know the real tenants of a democracy...one of which that the rights of the minority shall be protected from the tyranny of the majority.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

W. Garrett Myler, Santa Clarita, California — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:26:14 GMT

NewdayDawning: When it comes to "H8", it's apparent you're just another shameful bigot who "hates" Mormons...or shall I say individual Americans who believed in their cause.

The only "load of garbage" that will have to be bought in order to pass gay-marriage through the ballot box are the "equal rights" lies (see CA Family Code 297.5), or that it won't adversly affect parental or religious rights.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Rob in Ca — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:27:46 GMT

Mike in West Hollywood... Are you an idiot? This isn't about voting on a fast food restaurant for lunch! This is about allowing a majority to strip a minority of fundamental rights (which is exactly what the CA Supreme Court called this last year, exactly what the Iowa Supreme Court ruled unanimously a month ago). McDonalds? Are you so totally out of touch with reality that you could equate the two issues? Suppose we vote as a majority to strip YOU of your fundamental rights. How would you like it then? Oh, let me guess... you're a comfortable white male and you think you're in a safe majority. News for you: you're not. And the CA Supreme Court today said no one is safe in the state.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Remo, Marina, CA — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:31:49 GMT

Mike, West Hollywood...
What does that mean "should never have been put up to a vote"? Everything is up to a vote...we live in a democracy. If you work in a place with 10 people and the boss says I'm buying lunch, you want McDonalds or Subway...6 vote McDonalds, 4 Vote Subway....it's McDonalds. The other 4 people saying that Subway is healthier so McDonalds never should have been brought up is lunacy. Just so you know....I DO believe that anyone has the right to get married BUT this IS a Democracy and the voters spoke

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Okay, let's say we have a public school classroom consisting of twenty Christian children and one Jewish child. Is it all right for the class to take a vote and mandate Christian prayer for the entire class? No--because this is a public school. This is not a "majority rule" issue--this is a Constitutional issue, no matter which side you take. Issues that should not be settled by majority vote can and do exist.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Matthew, Houston, TX — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:32:51 GMT

The real issue here is that the people of California voted against this and when the minority didn't like the outcome they decided to have it challenged in a courthouse. What's wrong here is that the majority have spoken accept it move on and do a better job of convincing voters why you deserve the same rights.

The courts should not dictate policy to the public it's the public's decision to vote for what they want even if I believe in this case they were wrong.

Take that away (which is happening to our country) and you've taken away what makes a great democracy great END OF STORY!
Mike PAV (Sent Tuesday, May 26, 2009 3:01 PM)

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Hi Mike,

The reasoning that the majority should always rule was never the intent of the founding fathers. Their view was that the majority should rule EXCEPT when it takes away the rights of the minority. It is the job of the judiciary to ensure that there is no tyranny of the majority.

Otherwise, nice sane post, Mike. No name calling, no belittling . . . thank you.

You're right, they did respect their constitution and were really only deciding a technical issue, not the merit of the proposition itself. In a way, by declaring that the 18,000 marriages performed before this proposition was passed are still legal actually seems to point toward their believing the the proposition itself is wrong. Unfortunately (listen up all you gay people) instead of challenging the merits of the proposition, they went after the technical aspects. I think they should have challenged the content of this obviously bigoted proposition. This is one hetero who stands solidly behind the right of gays to marry, adopt children, etc. . . . you know, the same rights that non-gay people have.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Anita, Birmingham, Alabama — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:34:56 GMT

Answer from another thread:
Anita, Birmingham, Alabama

typical, if you don't agree with me, then shut up libiot anti-free speech & anti-open-discourse.

I know I know "BUSH BUSH BUSH" blah blah blah

welcome to changeville
Ted K, Hyannis, MA
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Goodness, samll mind--evidently I've gotten your attention, that was the intent. Don't be such a spoiled sport. Sweetie, you don't have to agree with me, but looks as though I've spoken fact and you just can't take it. Too bad, live with it.

Did you read the earlier posting? Gee I hope so, I can't wait to post the other biggie. Stop being such a boo boo. You musn't hate people simply because of their race of sexual preference because those that are violently fixated as such, are usually those that are in the closet. Geez..you need spritual guidance...call Donald Rumsfield.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

eagle1776 — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:36:50 GMT

In a democracy the majority rules. That doesn't mean that the minority aren't free to mount a campaign to change the minds of the majority and make their opinion the majority opinion. The people of California spoke, right or wrong, it was the will of the people and the Supreme Court of California upheld the will of the people. It is that simple. Had they not done so than Californians could have asked and others ask the same....Why vote if the will of the people is not going to be honored?

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

John — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:37:36 GMT

I don't understand how everyone keeps saying that this isn't the will of Californians. They've voted on it and won two times now, and the supreme court has upheld the decision. How can you say that its not the will of Californians? And how can some claim that this is brought on by the Mormon church? They make up roughly 2% of the population of CA and you can bet that not all are voting age, and that not all agreed with the stance most were taking. Even without the "evil mormons" the proposition still would have been favored by the majority...

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Chris - IL — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:37:45 GMT

The simple fact is, the overwhelming majority of males(religious and not), in the world are absolutley disgusted at the idea of homosexuality. Until that changes...

John Elton, Hiannis, Mass. (Sent Tuesday, May 26, 2009 3:17 PM)

I'm disgusted by Obese people. Does that mean they should not be allowed to get married?

The bottom line is that people that oppose gay marriage do so because of bigotry and prejudice. Gay marriage cannot possibly harm anyone in anyway and there is no logical reason to "fear" it.

As far as the vote itself, I am guessing this will be an issue that keeps popping up on ballots for years to come. If the pro-gay marriage group get it on the ballot and win, then the discrimination against gay marriage folks will just fight to get it on the ballot again!

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Russ, Irvine Ca — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:40:16 GMT

It is ridiculous that gay marriage keeps going back to the court. We voted to ban gay marriage in Cali back in 2000. But, the radical gay leftists keep taking to the courts which are also very liberal.

Our latest vote passed to ammend the Constitution saying marriage is between a man and a woman. That's the end of it. The courts can't overturn the will of the people. They upheld the ban today, but they also went against the will of the people by allowing existing gay marriages to stand.
That is ridiculous!

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Bob in San Diego — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:40:44 GMT

Paid political ads, like ads for lawyers and prescription medicines, should never been allowed on television. Prop 8 would have gone down 52-48 without the fear-mongering ad campaign.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

luzandrob, Yuma, AZ — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:42:09 GMT

Without a doubt, this was the correct ruling. If they had over-ruled a majority vote, people would lose even more trust in the government processes. I think the judgement to give civil unions with all the legal rights of a marriage is fine. I think there should be a difference between a civil union and a marriage. A marriage can proliferate the race. A Civil union cannot. All this bellyaching about being unequal is malarchy--if the individuals chose to mate with the opposite sex, they would have every right to marry. Show me where in biology that an organism is rewarded for going against nature's laws. If you break nature's laws, your genes will not be proliferated.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Jesus Christ and President John Adams — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:45:33 GMT

Two important voices tell us why our nation needs to return to God and our Christian roots for our nation...

Jesus Christ said.....Matthew 19: 4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them MALE and FEMALE,'and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'?

President John Adams said..."Our Constitution was made ONLY for a MORAL and RELIGIOUS people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

pat huntington ny — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:48:11 GMT

To those complaining about the gay movement trying to use the courts to advance our rights, consider this tidbit from the original authors of representative democracy, like Locke, who people like Jefferson relied on - an independent judiciary is necessary to protect to the rights of the minority from the tyrrany of the majority.

That said, seems like we do need to head to the legislative houses en masse as well...another major march on Washington is needed too!

No justice no peace!j

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

schriendog, colorado springs — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:50:08 GMT

"The simple fact is, the overwhelming majority of males(religious and not), in the world are absolutley disgusted at the idea of homosexuality."
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Really, John? Since the age of 14, the only sex life I have cared about was my own. Where do people get the time, right, and inclination to peek in the bedroom windows of others?

What is meant by "this should have never been put to a vote" -- how can a group be disenfranchised by a simple minority vote? The same thing thing happened in the early 90s in Colorado with Amendment 2. The crucial difference is that instead of arguing the technical side of the issue, the winners argued that Amendment 2 was on its face discriminatory against a class of people -- the gay community.

The case was so obvious that Anthony Kennedy actually laughed during the question-and-answer session when Colorado's AG, then Gale Norton, defended the rationale behind the amendment. The result was 7-2 in favor of the plaintiffs, with Scalia and his caddie, Clarence Thomas, dissenting. That should surprise no one.

Sorry, John. In the 21st Century, gay folk are real and vibrant members of the community -- wanting what the straight community has: the right to make decisions for each other.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

pat huntingon ny — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:53:01 GMT

I find divorce appalling! Its against my catholic religion..in fact, my religion doesn't recognize religion, but all you sick people who get divorced are forcing it down my throat! Its disgusting! I should be protected from that! Hey! Guess what! With the backing of the Catholic Church, I am going to put on Prop 169 on the CA. ballot that bans divorce, and bans marriage between ugly people, because they offend me too! And if the majority vote for it, then heck! Majority Rules!

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

St. Eleutherius of Nicomedia — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:53:54 GMT

President John Adams said..."Our Constitution was made ONLY for a MORAL and RELIGIOUS people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
Jesus Christ and President John Adams (Sent Tuesday, May 26, 2009 3:45 PM)
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God bless John Adams.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Patriot Midwest U.S.A. — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:54:56 GMT

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Rob in CA — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:55:47 GMT

All you people writing about "majority vote" clearly failed to study the fundamentals of American constitutional protections back in your school days. The whole reason for the Constitution's emphasis on equal protection under the law is to protect ALL minorities against majority vote... the white majority tried and succeeded for 150 years in depriving blacks of equal protections under the law, until the Supreme Court finally enforced the Constitution. The majority will ALWAYS vote to protect itself, and to impose its will upon a minority. DUH!!! Constitutions, and Courts, exist to protect minorities from always being slammed by a majority vote!!! Go back to elementary school, people! You missed that lesson back in your childhood somewhere!

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Clara Kansas City, MO — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:57:37 GMT

It is stunning to me how few Americans understand our Constitution. No wonder it was so easy for Bush&Co to disassemble it. The whole reason we have a judicial branch in our three branches of government is to dispense laws that negate inalienable rights. MANY laws get passed in this country, MANY citizens vote on proposed laws in this country. That doesn't make them legal. The fact that you morons have a vote equivalent to those of us who do pay attention is the part I find so absolutely and inherently flawed. The term Low Information Voter was indeed coined for a reason. It's good to see so many of you showed up here today to remind us all why the SCOTUS nomination is so critical.

(shakes head in disgust) Un-effin' believable.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Patriot Midwest U.S.A. — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:59:34 GMT

It is ridiculous that gay marriage keeps going back to the court. We voted to ban gay marriage in Cali back in 2000. But, the radical gay leftists keep taking to the courts which are also very liberal.

That is ridiculous! Russ, Irvine Ca (Sent Tuesday, May 26, 2009 3:40 PM)

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Wow, and I guess women and african americans should of gave up after a couple times when trying to gain the right to vote.

The only thing that is absolute in america is equality...either we all have it, or none of us should.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Clara Kansas City, MO — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:59:47 GMT

Jesus Christ and President John Adams (Sent Tuesday, May 26, 2009 3:45 PM)

and by your own 'comment', we now know why Bush&Co wiped their butts with our Constitution. They were neither Moral nor Religious.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

schriendog, colorado springs — Tue, 26 May 2009 20:00:39 GMT

"If you break nature's laws, your genes will not be proliferated."
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Maybe some genes don't need to be proliferated. Thanks for making my point.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Rob in CA — Tue, 26 May 2009 20:01:00 GMT

Regarding John Adams:

The founders of our nation held a deep abhorrence for democracy and majority rule. In Federalist Paper No. 10, James Madison wrote, "Measures are too often decided, not according to the rules of justice and the rights of the minor party, but by the superior force of an interested and overbearing majority.'' John Adams predicted, "Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There was never a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.'' Our founders intended for us to have a republican form of limited government where the protection of individual God-given rights was the primary job of government.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Paul - Hemet, CA — Tue, 26 May 2009 20:01:13 GMT

John Elton - Thank you for showing the fundamental flaw in the voter initiative system. People too often fail to disconnect their emotions from the law. I saw it in the commercials the anti-equal rights groups ran for Prop 8. "Boo! They will teach your kids to be gay in school. Boogey boogey boogey!" They went for that underlying homophobia that apartly still exists in 52% of the voters here in California.

So for those like John Elton of Hiannis, Mass, I remind you that "Ewww" is not a valid legal argument.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

New Independent — Tue, 26 May 2009 20:01:40 GMT

Mike PAV (Sent Tuesday, May 26, 2009 3:01 PM)

Mike - Actually, the founding fathers developed legislators precisely because they realized they couldn't make laws through MAJORITY RULE. If that were the case, chances are, we would still not allow interracial marriages. Nor would we possibly have allowed segregation. And perhaps we would still have slavery. Get the picture? The majority does not always follow the Constitution of the United States!!! And the legislature makes laws WITHIN the boundaries of the Constitution. Which is why most states do not use majority vote. Our majority vote goes to who we pick to be our legislators and they answer to the judicial system whether a law they are making is legal according to the Constitution of the United States. This needs to be contested all the way to the Supreme Court. If the ban was against interracial marriage, you would hear a lot more protests. The only way to avoid it, is to stop all governments from performing "marriages" per se. Only religious institutions would perform marriages, and government institutions would only perform civil unions. Therefore, legally, all people would get equal treatment. Everyone would be entitled to a civil union. If anyone wants a marriage, they would need to find a religious ceremony for that. Almost like the difference between a birth certificate and a baptism. I don't know why I don't hear more of that.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Mark,Seattle — Tue, 26 May 2009 20:02:06 GMT

The biggest mistake liberlas make over and over and over again re the gay marriage issue, is thinking that everyone who opposes it does so on religious grounds. This could not be more wrong. The simple fact is, the overwhelming majority of males(religious and not), in the world are absolutley disgusted at the idea of homosexuality. Until that changes...
John Elton, Hiannis, Mass. (Sent Tuesday, May 26, 2009 3:17 PM)
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Actually the simple fact is that the majority of heterosexual men that would take the time to think about having sex with other men are closeted homosexuals themselves. Why in the hell would something that has nothing to do with you disgust you so much? I am a happily married man and could care less about the sexual behavoir of consenting adults. No one is forcing you to think about it so why are you?
Anyway I know alot of people are upset about this decision but it's only a matter of time and if you look at the whole picture equal rights for the gay community has advanced quite a bit in a very short time. It's just another reason that Republicans are such a mess right now. They are still trying to fight a culture war that has pretty much been won by progressives.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

GS, PA — Tue, 26 May 2009 20:04:26 GMT

Does anyone understand it doesn't matter what you think or believe? Say instead of following the law and constitution and we let voters decide the civil/human rights issues in the past. Please consider what that would mean. African Americans would still be slaves, women would still not be allowed to vote, inter-racial marriage would not be allowed, the civil rights act would never have passed, you get the idea.

This issue should NEVER have been on a ballot for voters to decide since it is a civil/human rights issue. Again, it does not matter what I think or you think. We don't have the right to tell others how to live or whether they can marry or not.

The leadership of this nation has changed but those who used fear so effectively in the past have not gone away and indeed they have used fear and lies effectively again to influence voters on an issue that should never have been on the ballot in the first place.

Whether its gay marriage or closing Guantanamo we are a becoming a nation of cowards allowing ourselves to be hoodwinked by a collection of liars, fools and cowards. God help us. Our forefathers are rolling over in their graves.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Mark,Seattle — Tue, 26 May 2009 20:05:38 GMT

Jesus Christ and President John Adams (Sent Tuesday, May 26, 2009 3:45 PM)
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Tell that to your local priest if he's not to busy molesting children at the time. If he is then maybe talk to your local republican politi.....what? He's in an airport bathroom with who?

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Ken Thrush, Roanoke, Va. — Tue, 26 May 2009 20:07:56 GMT

I bet ole P. Hilton has his panty hose in a wad. Hey all you fruity nut cases, why don't you buy your own state to live in and name it Caligueenland??? Quite forcing your crap down America's throat??? You LOST! BOOOOHOOOO!

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Jody, Iowa — Tue, 26 May 2009 20:08:54 GMT

I think everyone knew that this would be the outcome since the Court had to decided whether the proposition was within the state constitution rather than whether or not gay marriage should be allowed. How bizaar is this though, you have a large number of legal gay/lesbian marriages yet it is illegal. My guess is there will be another ballot initiative and Prop 8 will be history; this time those who support gay marriage will ensure the public is better educated in what is at stake.

No, everything should not be put to a vote of the people. If the states had been allowed to decide racial discrimination, the south would still be segregated and blacks not allowed to vote. There are times when a group or special interest should not be able to make laws particularly when those laws deal with individual freedoms and discrimination because their own religious or racial views will be their basis of decision without ever considering the rights of the opposition. It is one thing to vote for a tax increase, or nuclear energy construction; it is another ballgame to determine someone's legal rights.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

marc f, birmingham, alabama — Tue, 26 May 2009 20:15:46 GMT

The founding fathers of the United States of America set up this country as a representative democracy (or constitutional republic) in the Constitution, not as a direct democracy of the people. This was a clear and purposeful move to protect the liberty of a minority from a tyrannical majority. A vote of the people on issues of rights is actually against the will of the founding fathers and intent of the Constitution of the United States of America.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

James — Tue, 26 May 2009 20:21:23 GMT

The majority of people voted and that vote has been affirmed. We do not believe homosexuals should be married. Its plain wrong and detestable.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

DG, Houston, TX — Tue, 26 May 2009 20:25:30 GMT

Glad I live in Texas.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Juan,Ft Lauderdale,Fl — Tue, 26 May 2009 20:27:00 GMT

People wonder why California will be bankrupt come July. Maybe the state is full of ignorant people who throughout the years vote in referendums? For all white males and right wing religious nuts I pity them because they are struggling w/ their sexuality that they have to convince themselves they're straight and have to resort to hate and gay bashing. Is their any reasons why African American women are now the most effected w/ the HIV and Latin men pretend their macho and ladies men. When is this country going to wake up and not allow the majority to deny the minority equal protection under the law and life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

If You Love Communist Dictators So Much, Go Back To Cuba! — Tue, 26 May 2009 20:36:19 GMT

For all white males and right wing religious nuts..
Juan,Ft Lauderdale,Fl (Sent Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:27 PM)
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White males and conservative Christians are a minority in Califoria. Stop punishing minorities you hateful Dems!!!!!

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New Independent — Tue, 26 May 2009 20:41:04 GMT

SORRY! I meant desegregation!

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

mewi — Tue, 26 May 2009 20:43:12 GMT

Injustice has been upheld and it is injustice that will not prevail and as unfortunate as it may be, Proposition H8 has made our cause far more stronger nation wide than anything has in the past 10 years.

So good job right wing wackos, you made our job much easier. Look forward to more same sex marriage victories in the future, Next State: New Hampshire. EQUALITY FOR ALL <3

Prop 8 upheld by Calif. court

Rob in CA — Tue, 26 May 2009 20:46:08 GMT

Hey James... I think YOU are "plain wrong and detestable." How about we start an initiative to get rid of YOU? Majority vote rules, remember????