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Ron Indiana — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:17:06 GMT

Iran in Chaos

What is happening in Iran is not at all surprising. Iranian citizens have two very different visions of their future. Likewise, it is not surprising that Ahmadinejad may have engaged in election fraud. What I’m wondering is what Iran will look like in six months (or a year) from now. If the reformers continue to put reassure on Ayatollah Khamenei, he may back down, let Ahmadinejad be the fall-guy, thus saving his own skin. It all depends on the mechanisms Iran has in place to listen to it’s citizens…

President Obama is wise to keep his powder dry, and for the time-being shun the topic. It is not yet clear what will unfold in Iran, but what is preditable is the outcome will not be good for Ahmadinejad…

Ron Indiana (Sent June 15, 2009 9:30 AM)

Today I am encouraged by the non-violent demonstrations of Iranians mourning the martyrs lost in the past few days. Gandhi and Martin Luther King would be proud of the peaceful, silent demonstrations.

Tomorrow or this weekend the Ayatollahs will meet and perhaps declare the election null and void. I believe they will do this because they want to preserve their own power, their own form of government and prevent a rebellion. A reelection will not bode well for Ahmadinejad. It is too early to say with certainty, but that is what the tea leaves are telling me.

Credit to Ed, FW TX who commented that Iran is the first high tech rebellion. Governments around the world should take note that public actions will not go unnoticed.

Poll Data

The latest poll results showing that President Obama is losing some independent support is expected and should not alarm progressives. He has had to make some tough decisions to stabilize the economy and to save the auto industry. Americans are not a very patient lot and expect instant results. It may take a year for these policies to reap positive results. We have a steady CIC steering us through some rough waters.

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Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:18:39 GMT

Leftovers & Take Out…
-- 25% hold a positive view of the Republican Party, which is an all-time low for it in the poll
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How low will they go… we’re about to find out! My prediction is they will ‘bottom out’ somewhere around 13 – 15%. The Party of No still hasn’t realized the majority of people in this country are not as STUIPID as they are!

Healthcare… woke up this morning to my local news and the #’s are staggering they foresee another 9% increase in the cost of insurance for the coming year! My BCBS premium ALREADY went up 9% in April! You do the math… how long can this continue? I consider myself lucky enough to even have insurance and yet 47 million other Americans don’t have the option to be ‘bent over’ by these burglars!

It is time to put an end these thieves ONCE & FOR ALL!
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PETA: OBAMA NOT 'BUDDHA'
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I knew it was just a matter of time before this became a juicy tidbit for the chattering class… what I didn’t know was the FR would actually devote time to it! I expected Lush Limpballs & Sean Insanity to be all over it like white on rice… but not FR… definitely not some of your better work there guys!
And regarding PETA – they do some decent work – but when they come out with cr@p like this it only makes them look like a bunch of left wing Cray zee whack jobs!

I’ll be anxiously waiting for there statement on the proper etiquette of handling mosquito’s…LOL

Glad to hear Bumbling Bush is out & about… keep on yapping there Georgie… it’s a great reminder to EVERYONE why YOU ran this country off the cliff! Like ANYONE with gray matter instead of cottage cheese (yeah I’m talking to you Republicants) would listen for one minute to this morons advice on the economy!

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Steve Biko — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:19:36 GMT

The CBS/NewYork times poll has Prez. Obama at 63%, still very popular with Americans who clearly see him as focused.
Thank Goodness that McCain was defeated in the election, otherwise there would not be a revolution in Iran, we would maybe even be at war with them by now.

I feel sorry for Mika on Morning Joe. Does she have any original thought? She now is seeing things through Joes eyes?
Feminism has taken a giant step backwards as we see someone who is completely dominated by the alpha male next to her on tv ... pathetic !

Chuck Todd, sorry man, the honeymoon still goes on, if fox has Obama at 60% and CBS at 63%, and your NBC poll has the country thinking he is focused, I call that A honeymoon in full effect.

On a sidenote, gay activists need to be careful, you knew Prez. Obama does not support gay marriage. He is doing everything possible for you guys ... but some of you are coming out as angry as the right-wingers on fox. That is counter-productive.
What option do you have,Sarah Palin ? I think not. Be patient folks.

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States Rights — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:19:55 GMT

If balancing the budget is now a goal, that goal is a day late and a few trillion dollars short. Even Obama says he'll cut the deficit, the very defict he inflated 4x that of the previous administration, in oh, maybe 8 years or so. Not sure how he'll do that seeing he'll be out of office in 2012.

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Steven J., California — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:21:01 GMT

How does the president being popular help the 10,000 people that lost their job yesterday?

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Bush/Cheney - Shut the **** UP! — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:22:51 GMT

George Bush is full of cra*! He used government money to pay contractors for his war!!!!!!!
What a lying hypocrit!!!!!!!!

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Rick,Ky — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:23:11 GMT

Having been away (anniversary trip) donating to the Indiana economy, it seem's as tho i missed a lot.

Who would've known the Iranian election could turn out this way?

The Lady's on here continue to have command of Facts on their side.

So, the chiwhawha loves trashy women, whata Surprise !

Yes America, Lipstick on a Pig!

DEMOCRATS, HAVE YOU HAD YOUR rABIES SHOT TODAY ?

Nashville, you won't get an answer (other than Spin) to your question's.

NOBONOJO, for someone with monumental medical problem's (your words)you sure can post to 75% of threads & other's post on here 24-7 .

Who's carrying the PooperScooper behind the $**T being thrown by the Mongrel Chiwhawha

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Bush/Cheney - Shut the **** UP! — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:23:37 GMT

George Bush is full of cra*! He used government money to pay contractors for his war!!!!!!!
What a lying hypocrite !!!!!!!!

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Bush/Cheney - Shut the **** UP! — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:24:02 GMT

George Bush is full of cra*! He used government money to pay contractors for his war!!!!!!!
What a lying hypocrite !!!!!!!!

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HMI - MI — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:24:03 GMT

Blame the GOP? For what? It's obvious, and admitted by Biden, that the stimulus package Obama said would fix the economy isn't working! The GOP said that stimulus plan would fail, too much pork for Democrats in it, and the GOP was right. I guess being right has it's price. It's much better to be on tv every day like Obama giving bs speechs and being popular, all the while spending the country into a hole it can never get out of.

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Bad Chihuahua — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:24:20 GMT

fron an earlier thread

Most women is general try to look their best.

Conservative women, especially politicians, look great while the Dems look like they need a lot more make-up, although it won't even help most of them, and the gays, which are mostly Dem, don't usually wear any and man, that's rough.

It's the damn truth ... It's what it is.

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Going Down — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:25:31 GMT

Can't wait to see these poll numbers when the Democrats finally decide who is going to be taxed to pay for the health care boondoggle.

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newdayDawning — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:25:59 GMT

Oh great, the functional idiot Shrub pretending that his policies had nothing to do with the destruction of this country. Someone should stand up in a crowd and tell him the SHUT UP!!!!

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Brenda F., Lynn MA — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:27:07 GMT

I can see why Hillary faked her elbow injury. Getting on a stage with Angelina Jolie would be like comparing a dream boat to a ship wreck.

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President Obama has it right!! — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:30:05 GMT

All of a sudden with the billions borrowed and spent on an illegal war, the republlicans are concerned about the budget???????????

Unbelivable-the arrogant sleaze of the republican rehetoric that hollers " conserveratism". We will not forget who nor how the American economy was trashed. It was by the deregulation,greed, self-absorbed republicans!!!!!!!

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IRAN, LIKE OBAMA, SEEKS TO CONTROL THE MEDIA! — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:30:37 GMT

THE GREATEST DANGER TO OUR DEMOCRACY IS OBAMA TURNING THE MEDIA INTO A STATE PROPAGANDA MACHINE.

Tom Brokaw, who interviewed President Obama for NBCNEWS on June 5 is... appointed to President's Commission on White House Fellowships...
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UPDATE: ABC REFUSES OPPOSITION ADS DURING WHITE HOUSE SPECIAL...
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WHEN A GOVERNMENT, WHETHER BY FORCE OR BRIBERY, TURNS A FREE MEDIA INTO A PROPAGANDA DEVICE FOR ITS OWN USE --- THE FREEDOM OF THE CITIZENS IS LOST!

THINK IRAN.

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Fran Jacobsen, WI — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:30:39 GMT

Bush should keep pounding on Obama and pointing out what a moron Obama is. The press won't point out how inadequate Obaba is, so someone has to do it. Cheney really ripped Obama a new one when Obama selectively released the Gitom documents. Now it's time for Bush to stand up for his presidency. People aprreciate the truth, and It's Bush and Cheney that are providing it.

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BJ, CA — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:31:10 GMT

Polls don't supply jobs..work or any meaningful help to the people..

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BO - Chicago, Illinois — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:32:26 GMT

I really can't comment on that. I really don't want to be involved and seen as meddling.

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Bad Chihuahua — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:33:44 GMT

So now the big new story is that Obie is obsessed with the Fox channel not giving him the adulation that the other cable and network channels do.

To quote O'Reilly. "We don't have stars in our eyes when it comes to Barack Obama. We are fair while other media outlets pander to him and even bow to him."

Yeah, the media is general asks easy questions that Obie wants to see ahead of time. His rules so he doesn't look foolish. He is outrageously thinned skinnned and cannot handle criticism so he doesn't like Fox, who will not pander to anybody.

The Obie show doesn't fly on Fox where ABC will do a sitcom on Obie from Washington soon. Super promo here and the reason why the media still drools, though not as much, over Obie.

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Anita, Birmingham, Alabama — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:34:26 GMT

** Blaming the GOP: But that's the bad news for Obama and the Democrats. The good news, according to our poll, is that the president is still personally popular: his fav/unfav is 60%-29%, and three-quarters like him, including 27% who don’t agree with his policies. In addition, the public doesn't blame Obama for the deficit or the economy -- that honor instead goes to the previous Republican administration.

I am not deterred by poll number on the performance of this administration. I am an old school registered Democrat and have seen a lot in my years; voted in a lot of elections and well aware of the politics of success and failure of our nation.

I realize what we are facing and how he arrived at this point. Do I agree with all of the President's decisions on all issues...no. Do I have the ability to see far beyond what is actually happening or media spin. Yes.

I have faith in the ability of this administrations abilities to right what has happened to our nations economy and the world's economy. We are experiencing something totally out of the ordinary and time and patience is the key to it's repair.

The old economy and false wealth is something that I feel wont ever return because the wealth we experienced was false. Americans were encouraged to spend and live far beyond our means and we must adjust to reality. I can't ask anyone else to think as I think, or to do what I am willing to do.

There is one thing that I know and it is that the reality of what we've experienced will be my primary focus for survival.

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katiec — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:35:15 GMT

Bush's government created and aided A world of wealth.
With tax breaks and perks for big business, the wealthy, no bid contracts and billions spent in Iraq for "chosen" contractors etc.
With the republicans popularity the lowest in history, he will only add to the lack of respect and creditibility we feel for that party.

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Sub Sailor — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:37:15 GMT

The current national debt is 11.4 Trillion.

When Obama took office it had just gone over 10.0 Titllion.

Keep track:

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

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Nashville_fan — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:38:54 GMT

I think the poll numbers are great. Americans should be concerned about the deficit.

I think that these polling numbers demonstrate that more Americans are paying attention, that they understand the problems we are facing, that they know the REAL REASON we are in this situation, regardless of how hard the Republican party tries to blame others for their colossal fail on the economy.

You know, one of the things that bothers me the most about the current deficit?

I can't for the life of me figure out what we have to show for it. What tangible thing did President Bush buy with the additional debt he created?

I also find it very entertaining to hear Republican politicians basically saying to the American people:

"We screwed up the economy with our foreign adventures, and now we can't AFFORD to offer you the same type of affordable government sponsored health coverage that you folks are paying for us to have. Now that we have spent every cent, we need you to trust us - we're the party of fiscal conservatism dontcha know?"

Come on America - don't let these politicians once again live high on the hog on your dime - we're smarter than that.

Seems to me there are gonna be alot of pet projects on the cutting room floor to make budgetary room for the American people to have the level of healthcare they DESERVE and ARE PAYING FOR.

Sometimes I think we ought to take a cue from the Iranians and just take to the streets to get these folks attention . . . this is not a game . . . this is a matter of life and death.

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BJ, CA — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:40:12 GMT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfv2c0wTZg4&feature=popular

Way to go Mr. President...keep those invaders away!
A new government appointment crushed...

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no joe, no bo, nj — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:41:13 GMT

I warned back in March that by June the Obama honeymoon would be over. Yes,people like him-but they hate his policies. If you compare the numbers from your last poll, you will find that fewer people today blame the last administration than in this poll-which is fair, because he certainly could not be blamed in January. He does get the blame for exploding the deficit.

I notice that you did not poll on whether or not people wanted to cancel the rest of the stimulus-Rasmussen did, and the majority want it cancelled, as what has gone 'out the door' has not nothing to stimulate the economy.

Diageo, which still has the highest approval numbers for Obama, (they claim to poll only registered voters or those who were ineligible to vote in the last election) has a very worrisome number for Obama: only 46% in total would vote for his re election-that number includes 19% who absolutely would vote to re elect, the rest 'lean toward'.

The PETA people should grow up. I love animals, but c'mon, it was a FLY, for crying out loud.

ABC is, I believe, going to regret the all-day Obama lovefest. They claim it will be balanced, yet they will not sell commercial time to groups that voice opposition to the obama plan. Real balanced, ABC.

Claire McCaskill calling for answers from the Obama administration on IG Walpin's dismissal is good news. Let's hope she gets somewhere. It seems like he was fired, by the White House, for investigating mis-use of federal funds by a friend of Obama's. I, for one, hope some low-level staffer was responsible. I don't like Obama's policies, but I hope he is above that kind of action.

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Dottie Swarthmore PA — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:41:31 GMT

Well, so much for George Bush not criticizing President Obama. I knew he wouldn't miss the chance to throw darts at the Obama Administration. We all remember how well the Republicans managed things during their reign of terror. George should exit the stage along with Dick, Liz, Rush, Newt & John Ensign.
The more George Bush talks the more we remember how much we dislike him. BTW Renegade by Richard Wolffe is #4 on the NY Times best seller list.Scarbourgh's book is #7. Let's get out there and buy Renegade and get it to #1 on NY Times list.

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Jeff Gollin — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:42:18 GMT

It was obvious to me that, since NBC spent all those bucks on a poll, that you would lede with it (and over-play its importance) at every opportunity over the next several days.

Other than that a parallel CBS-NYT poll has Pres. Obama's favorable rating 5 points higher than NBC/WSJ, I have no bone to pick with the raw numbers.

But I do have a major problem with some of Chuck's conclusions - first and foremost that "...Obama’s honeymoon apparently over with the public."

This is the spin that, no doubt your management was praying for (since any kind of change in the political dynamic resurrects campaign "horse race" excitement and therefore hypes ratings).

But, to me, a 5-point drop in approval over the first 5 months is (a) not particularly earth-shattering, (b) doesn't confirm the end of any "honeymoon" (whatever that's supposed to mean) and (c) is well within the margins of statistical "bounce" (something NBC polling is famous for).

This whole preoccupation with "Honeymoons", "Does Obama Have Too Much on His Plate?" and picking apart various options on the table regardless of whether they actually become part of any program is tantamount to "criticizing the expected taste of the pie, while it's still baking in the oven."

News-wise, you had a bad day yesterday (Wed.). In addition - regarding your coverage of Iran - CNN ate your lunch (More and better on-the-ground coverage/more experts who are familiar with or actually live in the region).

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Anita, Birmingham, Alabama — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:42:22 GMT

*** Bush strikes back? Not only is Obama’s honeymoon apparently over with the public, but it also seems over with the man he succeeded: George W. Bush. Yesterday giving a speech in Erie, PA, the former president fired a few shots at the new administration, according to the Washington Times.

Some nerve he has to decide to add is two cents to something that he is responsible. I guess the poll numbers gave him courage to speak. Not so soon Mr. Bush. There are a lot of die heart supporters that are in favor or the tough decisions that our CIC has had to make in oder to clean up you piles of crap.

I've never anticipated full support fron Independents; a lot of them voted out of fear of what we were facing rather than the full reality of what has actually happened to our economy. The colapse of of economy didn't happen overnight and it wont be fixed overnight. I am extremely confident in our CIC's ability to correct the false wealth we experienced during the Bush administration.

9/11...go shopping!

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Pat, Boston, MA — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:42:50 GMT

I would be very worried about these numbers with the mid terms next year. I have the president I want, yet he's have increasing difficulties "fixing" the economy. And next year we could very well see some changes in Congress. The public forgets how damaged this economy was in the making during the Bush Administration.

The GOP, Corporate America, Bush Administration - all unbelievably irresponsible. If I saw this coming years ago, they should have. I worried about losing my job, so I paid off my credit cards, I didn't go out and buy a condo in the city like I had always dreamed of doing, I cut back on my traveling. Afterall, a bad recession was coming. It was obvious. Yet no one talked about it. Everyone allowed it to happen, especially the corporate heads. Greed. Stupidity. Arrogance.

All left in President Obama's lap. And now he's going to have to fix it. All of it. But everyone wants instant results, even though we all know this is going to take a long time to stabliize. I'm with President Obama for the long haul. But to many, they've already decided that perhaps we should be looking at another right wing fruitcake as our president in 4 years. They understand economics. Afterall, they're conservatives. That's what the media tells us every single day.

You can count on it. I'm sticking with the president I have. I waited a long long time for someone like him.

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Lisa B in FL — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:42:54 GMT

Once again the American public have lost their short term memories. How in the hell can people expect the stimulus to already be having an affect on the economy? Do they even listen to what the President has said over and over again? Did they not listen when he said we would continue to loose jobs well into 2010? Did they not hear him when he said it will take a year to get the stimulus funds to the states for infrastructure job creation? Do they not realize the depth and severity of the economic crisis? Do they not understand this is a huge country and things do not turn on a dime? I think, based on these poll numbers, most Americans should be taking Aricept, their memories are fading fast.

Such a shame.

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:43:09 GMT

Ross Perot is so several decades ago. Where was old Ross the past few decades while the Reagan, Bush, Bush National Debt was being raised higher and higher? Oh yeah he was too busy counting his tax cut welfare savings to be concerned about what his tax cut welfare was costing our country and economy. Too late now old parrot perot to be whining about deficits now that you've gotten your tax cut welfare.

It's a good sign that many Americans are willing to buy an American car rather than imports. I'm glad that Mainstream Americans are turning a deaf ear to the repugnant one's call for boycotting Chrysler and GM. The evil elephant party really hates America if it wants to destroy our auto industry.

It's looking better for a public health care option as more Americans realize that private insurance is a bust and will leave them in bankruptcy if they get really sick. Americans who don't want their health insurance benefits taxed always are looking for something for nothing, time to pay the piper cheapskates. Still we need to restore the top tax brackets that Raygunz eliminated in order to ensure that the richest and greediest pay their fair share of taxes again so that we can have a good public health care option.

Buy American!

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Good News, Bad News — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:43:40 GMT

FR: According to the survey, 54% say they’ve considered buying an American car in the past few years

The bad news of course is that 87% of those same people consider Toyota and Honda domestic cars.

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MSierra, SF — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:44:42 GMT

CURSES !!
FOILED AGAIN !!

'...the public doesn't blame Obama for the deficit or the economy -- that honor instead goes to the previous Republican administration. Asked who is more responsible for the size of the deficit, 46% cited Bush, 21% said the Democrats in Congress, 7% said the Republicans in Congress, and just 6% said Obama. Moreover, 72% believe the current state of the economy is something the president inherited. Indeed, the Republican Party finds itself at all-time lows in our poll (25% positive rating) and in the NYT/CBS one (28%)...'

The American people AREN'T BEING FOOLED by the GOP !!
The Republicans are TRANSPARENT
Sorry that Stale A$$ Act is WEARING THIN

Republicans have NOTHING TO OFFER in the way of SOLUTIONS
They're just pushing NEGATIVITY
Hoping Obama Fails
Hoping for a Terrorist Attack

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Juan,Ft Lauderdale, — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:44:43 GMT

Nearly 6 in 10 people are concerned about the deficits. First, where were these people during the past 8 years when billions were wasted in Iraq and second Americans in the majority seem to live for the now w/ instant gratification and instantly resort to charging and finally unregulated/greedy financial institutions charging outrageous interest rates BUT George Bush and the other free market capitalists just wanted us to keep shopping. We all in one sense or another need to look in the mirror and blame ourselves for being so manipulated and gullible by the supply siders under Reagan and corporate/wallstreet greedmeisters. Now, the proverbial S@@t has hit the fan, and we're running scared for our inevitable slide towards years of deficits and indenture servitude to the Chinese thanks to meglomaniacs like Bush/Cheney.

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DT Bergus-Smith, PIttsburgh — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:46:03 GMT

I knew he [Bush] wouldn't miss the chance to throw darts at the Obama Administration.

Dottie Swarthmore PA

Fair is fair. Tit-for-tat. Obama has been throwing mud since Day #1 of his administration, and now he's getting his nose rubbed in it. I say good!

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Bad Chihuahua Has Some Serious Issues — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:50:58 GMT

From an earlier thread... since the rapid rat is so hot & bothered...
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and I can't keep it up for long.

Bad Chihuahua (Sent Wednesday, June 17, 2009 1:52 PM)
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We don’t care about your personal problems…

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:51:59 GMT

You should have titled the "Bush Strikes Back" header as "The Empire Strikes Back" since he's like the evil emperor, thankfully deposed and irrelevant. Ofcourse he's abck spouting that people can spend their money smarter than the government, yeah remember the pet rock? Or how about recently the $99 Bernie Madoff ceramic doll with hammer that idiots could buy and then smash? No people don't spend their money very smartly anymore, especially those with way too much money. Anyway we should ignore this incompetent idiot who not only bankrupted his own oil company but now the country and the whole global economy.

I am so laughing that the American people know that it was Clueless George and his repugnant ones pals who wrecked our economy with their tax cut welfare for the rich and greedy and deregulation. Despite all the lies of the evil elephants they have not been able to hoodwink the majority again with their false claims of fiscal responsibility.

The Irrelevant Elephant Party is at it's lowest popularity ever, now that's change I can believe in. After so many months of baseless attacks on President Obama it's the repugnant ones who have reaped the whirlwind of disapproval as it should be. The dopes of nope don't deserve to be trusted again after their endless charade of lies.

Just Say No to the Evil Elephant Party!

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Holideck, Orion — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:52:12 GMT

Ah, First Read...or is that First Reed, blowing like puppet straws in the messiah's hot air? The self-delusion you practice may temporarily make you feel better, but be advised that events over next six months or so will shatter your glass house, and the image of you virtual savior projected upon the inner surface of your fabricated world will self-destruct in a nanosecond. Time to sober up and get off your left handed dope. Computer, end program.

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Rick,Ky — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:52:14 GMT

What is surprising is the MSM thinks the Populace has completely forgotten 8 years of Bush-Cheney ! The MSM still thinks that they can influence Public Opinion ! For our 1st read reporter's, don't read to much into President Obama's so-called Honeymoon being over. Your attention span may Only envelope the here & now, but the Voter's who put an End to GOP run policy's, have'nt forgotten nor will forget any time in the near future.

Quitely, Obama is shipping Gitmo resident's from their luxury home that Chicken George gave them. Sun, sand, soccer balls, prayer (as if some have religion), sounds like a well planned Vacation for lots of people, however, voter's who pay for this Luxury want it CLOSED.

You can bet that if North Korea is Stupid enough to send a missle towards Hawaii, Obama will Crush their missle sites ASAP. No doubt about it.

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Ross The Boss — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:53:10 GMT

Liberals on this board continue to be confused. Ross Perot didn't do anything, didn't say anything. FR just referred to him and what policies he advocated back in the '90s.

Ross isn't out to get you libs. Sit down, take some deep breaths, and some of your meds, and just calm down . . . . .

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J. Ellis, Virginia — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:53:45 GMT

It is indeed sad commentary when Dick Cheney's approval ratings improve for any reason. He is the face of why this country has a reputation for torturing prisoners, being the bully of the world, and telling a fellow member of Congress to go "F" himself. Bravo for him!

I was a bit disappointed in Keith O. last night and his stance against the President. Yes, any of us may disagree with President Obama but he is doing the best job he can with what he has to work with.

Cheney's approval rating may have increased because the Rethuglicans hang together and remain a unified front, even when they disagree in private. The Dems fall apart at the hint of any opposition or unfavorable reaction, which is a huge peeve of mine.

Great job, Mr. President. You have conviction and vision and you will be successful in all that you are trying to do.

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Obama control of the media is a grave danger to USA ... — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:54:00 GMT

Does anyone understand how dangerous it is to our democracy to sit by and allow the current administartion to turn the media into its propaganda machine? Now all 'four branches' are controlled by the administration! Where is the 'balance of power'?

This perhaps is the greatest danger we face today.

Think Iran and how it controls its media. This could happen here.

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MSierra, SF — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:54:14 GMT

'...just askin’ on Pelosi vs. Cheney, but did the speaker’s numbers fall because she won’t defend herself as much publicly as Cheney does?....'

BINGO
The Republicans have an ongoing campaign to denigrate Pelosi
It's REALLY SILLY
'...just askin’ on Pelosi vs. Cheney, but did the speaker’s numbers fall because she won’t defend herself as much publicly as Cheney does?....'

BINGO
The Republicans have an ongoing campaign to denigrate Pelosi
It's REALLY SILLY
What does it accomplish

Another difference between Pelosi and Cheney:

DICK CHENEY IS A WAR CRIMINAL !!

It's funny how Republicans step up to defend Cheney, but Democrats won't say a thing to defend Nancy

Thank Again, Democrats !!

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Big Nardi — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:55:01 GMT

Pelosi

Her ship has sailed and her pier has collapsed.
Too many lies and deception, not fooling anybody anymore.

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Nashville_fan — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:55:16 GMT

Dear no joe:

Thanks so much for all your "warnings".

You wouldn't happen to have any solutions handy would ya?

Oh, and stop your whining about the ABC special - in a free market, the networks can cover whatever they want. You sound like my kids "Mommy, she got an extra cooooooookie!"

Your little tantrum on this is unbecoming and ridiculous.

Are you going to boycott the Sunday morning shows if they don't talk about what you want?

How about the newspapers?

Is the entire world required to include your world view in order to get your permission to exist?

Like it or not, we have ONE PRESIDENT. If you want the bully pulpit, run for public office. But for goodness sakes, stop all your incessant whining. You can turn to Fox News for your propoganda fix 24 hours a day - what more could you want?

P.S. I say Fox is propaganda not because they offer negative and inflammatory coverage of the White House, but because they REPEATEDLY play FAST AND LOSE with the facts. That's not journalism.

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Jody, Iowa — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:55:51 GMT

No doubt there are real concerns about the deficit just wondering where it was 7 years ago when Cheney told Trea Sec Paul O'Neill that the lesson of the Reagan administration had been that "deficits don't matter". Democrats argued against the 2001 Bush tax cuts because of the war in Afghanistan and the possible Iraq war because it could severely damage the economy (McCain was against it also). The democrats were right but no one cared until the economy collapsed. Whether republican or democrat, any president trying to solve this mess has a challenge beyond simple poll numbers. What seems odd is that only 7% blame the republicans for the deficit when they were the ones who helped Bush double the national debt. That's one of the numbers you wonder about the thought process of those polled. Most likely it is a result of the decades long fiscal responsibility rhethoric from the republicans even though they never actually were fiscally responsible. It is the public perception that republicans are deficit hawks even though under their presidential administrations, they have been the party to massively increase the national debt. The conundrum is how do democrats turn that perception around.

The number that disturbs me is that a plurality wants the US to strike North Korea's nuclear facilities. That would be a disaster for the region and again reflects "group" think that bombing is always the answer.

Bush is still a bit clueless and is pure hypocrisy. Of course, the private sector drives the economy and money in our hands is good but he caused this mess with his worse than voo-doo economics so any remarks he has to say are just words. Not sure he even knows what socialist means. Just as schools are socialized education, churches are socialized religion. Every country has a certain amount of socialist policy, those things which are for the good of all. Constantly being called socialist is old and tiresome.

From yesterday's PETA dumb comment--get a sense of humor. It was funny and having just last weekend fought off a relentless fly determined to stay in my hair, kill it.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester NY — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:55:55 GMT

Popularity ratings, and approval polls do not constitute "leadership."
Bush and Cheney were/are fools....but then again so is Barrack Obama.
This country deserves a lot better than what we've gotten these last 9 years.

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Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:56:39 GMT

Cheney really ripped Obama a new one when Obama selectively released the Gitom documents. Now it's time for Bush to stand up for his presidency. People aprreciate the truth, and It's Bush and Cheney that are providing it.
Fran Jacobsen, WI (Sent Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:30 AM
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Faux Noise called… they noticed you’re missing and are very concerned… run along now dear… FR caters to grown ups

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Bill, Fairfax, VA — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:56:41 GMT

FR: "The deficit, however, isn’t the only problematic issue for Obama. Almost seven in 10 have serious reservations about the government’s ownership of GM, and 52% oppose closing Gitmo. As one of us said on NBC’s Nightly News last night, Obama is now dealing with a public that’s judging him more for his actions than the promises he has made."

Hmmm, judging him on his actions? What a novel concept. Once folks start doing that, it's a bit easier to see through the empty suit. And as time goes on, the hooey diversion of whining about the situation he inherited will resonate less and less. This is your economy Mr President, how many jobs have you 'saved or created' today?

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He Hasn't Done SQUAT Since He Took Office — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:56:56 GMT

By the way.....what has Barrack Obama done for YOU lately?

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Beverly in Chicago — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:57:36 GMT

"nearly six in 10 respondents say the government should worry more about keeping the deficit down, even if that means the economy recovers more slowly. The latest New York Times/CBS poll has a similar result, with 60% believing the Obama administration doesn’t have a plan to deal with deficit"
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How does this finding compare with the lowest poll numbers of The Party of NO( Right wing Dings)?

The problem is the other 4 individuals have enough sense to not listen to the shrills coming from the Right wing Dings. Common sense dictates it is impossible to eradicate decades of economic disaster in less than 6 months.

We also know this government is not coming into a socialist nation. Anyone who know anything about the "isms" should know that a democratic society takes care of its own.

Bernie Madoff , Enron, Mci/Worldcom, Haliburton are all example of of unfetterered, deregulated capitalism gone amock; tus corporate socialism. It is time for those crooks and low-information individuals to put their think caps on. Stop swallowing the crumbs the previous administration and the current opposition Party of NO is throwing at you. Let the President, who is humane otherwise he'd be as rich as those thieves, do his job by proving this principals to be self-evident. Hang in their doubters; we will form a more union; if we support our our President. Otherwise the divisiveness coming from the shrilled Right Wing Dings will give you even the worse of more of the same failed economic, social and culturally divided decades. This country is a democracy!

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Houston — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:58:42 GMT

Duhbya: "I know it's going to be the private sector that leads this country out of the current economic times we're in," he said. "You can spend your money better than the government can spend your money." He also said, "Government does not create wealth."
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Lessee. Were there any catch phrases or buzzwords that he missed that the Republicans have been using ofr 40 years? I don't think so.

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"The major role for the government is to create an environment where people take risks to expand the job rate in the United States."
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Bush and Cheney sure showed how to create an environment where people took risks - insane risks. Look how well THAT turned out.

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:00:34 GMT

Get well quickly Hillary! I'm sure the clueless base of base supporters of the evil elephants will be mocking her for her accident. Rather ironic that the people who can't walk and chew gun at the same time would now diss Hillary for the same.

Ed Schultz is on fire and his new show is just so awesome. He sure is taking it to the repugnant ones with his Psycho Talk segment and his Op Ed segments are excellent. I can't wait to hear who he's going to trash today.

When are the repugnant ones going to put their money where their mouths are on the public option for health care. Yeah all those politicos have that awesome government health care plan that not one has ever criticized on a personal level but whine we the people can't have. If the public option is so scary then why are these creeps not dropping their public health care option and buying their own private health care plans? Only one Democrat, Eric Massa of NY, has turned down his right to the public plan. When will the hypocrit repugnant ones drop their public health care plans and buy private health care insurance to put their money where their clueless lying mouths are?

In Ed Schultz We Trust!

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Frank "Grimey" Grimes, Springfield, USA — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:01:04 GMT

Wow...Bush certainly didn't directly go after the President. He said that he believed in the private sector over government. An indirect shot...absolutely. But, Obama has been going after Bush since Day 1.

Ross Perot...wow...that takes me back. I had just started college that year. His message appealed to a lot of people on my campus.

I think Obama's poll drop is inevitable. This is a polarized country, and I think it's going to take a lot for any president to stay above 60 for very long. Interesting that he has a gap between the approval of his policies and his own personal approval. I seem to remember that Bill Clinton was the opposite...his policies had higher approval than he did.

The ABC special is scary. To allow the President free air time to make a political pitch, just leaves a bad taste.

Oh, and we're still waiting for MSNBC to mention the firing of IG Walpin. Certainly appears politically motivated.

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Anita, Birmingham, Alabama — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:01:18 GMT

*** Odds and ends: Just askin’ on Pelosi vs. Cheney, but did the speaker’s numbers fall because she won’t defend herself as much publicly as Cheney does?

Oh please. Pelosi is taking the heat from republicans because they find her an easy target. I really don't blame her. Would I indulge asses in word wars over something that I new they had complete control over.

No I wouldn't That being said...Cheney is a murderer and a coward and the republicans are being childish for using childish tatics with their attempts to draw her out. They have no respect for women anyway, especially women with authority or in authority.

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Frank - Oklahoma — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:03:23 GMT

Lisa B in FL ---> Once again the American public have lost their short term memories. How in the hell can people expect the stimulus to already be having an affect on the economy?

Because Obama and his little dweeb henchmen told us it would. Obama said unemployment would go over 9% without his stimulus and would cap out at 8% with it. Now Obama is talking about 10% unemploymnent. Housing starts are poor, car sales are worse. Many corporations continue to operate in the red. All these things should have been improving by now so the unemployment picture would improve. That doesn't sound like a stimulated economy to me.

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eagle1776 — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:03:33 GMT

George W. Bush was in office for 8 long years and did absolutely nothing about reducing healthcare costs and making healthcare available to everyone. Now the little bugger has the nerve to criticize the current Administration. Go figure.

With regard to the deficit I agree with Juan of Ft Lauderdale.

As for American cars. I own one import and one American car. Both are quality cars and we are pleased with them. It wasn't always so. I've had American junk and imported quality. When the American Auto Industry can make a quality car for a competative price, and one that is economical to run people will buy them. Until then the competition, off shore competition, will continue to out sell American brands. Laissez Faire (let it happen) will eventually dictate which cars people buy. Until then regulation and a close eye has to be put on them to ensure there are, in fact, any American auto makers at all. It is too bad that compaies depend more on greed for their bottom lines than being responsible citizens and provide a good product at a fair price even if one's profits aren't as high as they would like.

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...beauty's only skin deep, yeah, yeah, yeah!! — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:05:01 GMT

Bad Chihuahua, you dope, Hillary Clinton is 60 and Nancy Pelosi is 68. I'm 58 and I ain't nearly as dashing as I was 20 years ago. I'll bet you regularly get mistaken for George Clooney, right? You're as shallow as an evaporating puddle!

In the immortal words of the Temptations...

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DianeR PC Fla — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:05:51 GMT

How former President Bush can say it will be the private sector (as in Greedy Wall Street and CEO excessive compensation and Health Insurance company practice of recission) that leads us out of our economic quagmire? As if her has any credibility on the subject of economics. Wasn't it that "what's good for the rich is good for the rest of us (trickle down economics based on no-bid defense contracts) capitalistic fascism" that turned this country into a Republiturd-based plutocracy? Republiturd definition of socialism: anything that doesn't make the rich even richer at the middleclass.

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FR Reeders — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:06:14 GMT

Eric, Salinas, CA: Ed Schultz is on fire and his new show is just so awesome.

Who is Ed Schultz, and why is he on fire?

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Terry, Disabled Vet, Des Moines, IA — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:08:39 GMT

I guess people did not care about the size of deficits during the former dunce in chief's tenure but they are now? Go figure? I did not like deficits then and I don't now! I am just dumbfounded by the lack of outrage over deficits during the last 8 years!

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Anita, Birmingham, Alabama — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:09:09 GMT

*** USA! USA! USA!
Of course the American auto industry will survive and the Senators in the States that ushered in Foreign automakes with tax breaks and slave labor should be made to eat every one of them.

The CIC made a tough decision with bailing out the automakers and I apperciated his decision to get the government involved. It it were left up to the republicans, millions of more people will be out of work and everyone would be driving foreign autos.

They would sell us away bit by bit. The steel industry would totally colapse, parts and suppliers, tire and rubber....

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Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:09:41 GMT

I can see why Hillary faked her elbow injury. Getting on a stage with Angelina Jolie would be like comparing a dream boat to a ship wreck.
Brenda F., Lynn MA (Sent Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:27 AM)

Yeah, but which is the dream boat and which is the train wreck

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Houston — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:10:36 GMT

The NY Times from a previous thread: "But in terms of the scope and breadth of the Obama plan — and more important, in terms of its overall effect on Wall Street’s modus operandi — it’s not even close to what Roosevelt accomplished during the Great Depression.”
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I think it took Roosevelt a bit longer than 5 months to accomplish what he did, and with lots of trial and error. More like 5 YEARS.

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Michael M, Kent oh — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:11:14 GMT

How many of these people who say "balance the budge even if it slows the recovery" are unemployed. (We should remember that's EXACTLY what Hoover tried to do,and it was a disaster) Is easy to say that the recovery isn't important if you have food and a roof over your head. For those that are at risk of being on the other side of the divide,its a while different story. There's still mass unemployment and there are still Hoovervilles popping up. While the free fall seems to be coming to an end,its by no means over.

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In Love — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:11:33 GMT

By the way.....what has Barrack Obama done for YOU lately?

He Hasn't Done SQUAT Since He Took Office

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He's so dreamy, and he has a nice smile!!

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Nashville_fan — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:18:40 GMT

The ABC special is scary. To allow the President free air time to make a political pitch, just leaves a bad taste.

- Frank "Grimey" Grimes, Springfield, USA
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Y tu Frank?

Give me a break.

The President has been on EVERY news channel (including Fox) ANSWERING questions from journalists and the American people, which IS HIS JOB!

What is the "scary" part Frank?

Why are people always telling us to be "afraid" of everything Frank?

Why are YOU afraid of YOUR President Frank?

What is "political" about discussing the health care crisis that the Republican party has been trying to avoid FOREVER?

You know what scares me?

People who are "afraid" to take on a President who operates using FACTS and IDEAS. The President presents a plan, and the opposition presents fear and innuendo.

Why is the Republican Party afraid to FACE THE FACT that our current healthcare system is a for-profit health rationing BOONDOGGLE that is NOT working for the American people?

I want healthcare ADDRESSED, and I will not be sidetracked into a discussion of which networks are allowed to broadcast the President. This entire subject is BEYOND ridiculous.

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Dennis, Columbus, Ohio — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:21:18 GMT

Fair is fair. Tit-for-tat. Obama has been throwing mud since Day #1 of his administration, and now he's getting his nose rubbed in it. I say good!

DT Bergus-Smith, PIttsburgh (Sent Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:46 AM)
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Actually Obama started 2 years before that and for good reason.

Everyone is talking about the deficit and yet Georgie boy was able to start his first term with a surplus.

Where were all these concerned conservatives 4 years ago when it was clear how fast the deficit was growing?

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RS — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:22:14 GMT

You know, I had never been to the fox website until Clara, Eric and Pat kept running it down.
So I went on and feel much better now.
Here you have 50-60 people spewing liberal hate but on fox 1500-1800 people are on their blogs talking sensible. I was really starting to worry about America listening to you people, but now I realize the majority of people in this country are normal.

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Anita, Birmingham, Alabama — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:24:00 GMT

From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** The return of Ross Perot? Ross Perot has now become a political afterthought -- especially after his two presidential defeats and his disastrous NAFTA debate performance against Al Gore -- but the cause that he once championed seems to be making a
comeback: balancing the budget.
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Ross Perot is full of crap. He is nothing more than an opportunist. Hell he was on Bill Maher (?) agreeing with the blunt smoker that he would legalize it. Balance the budget? What a joke. He’s still trying to be the spoiler. Bill politics and comedy doesn’t sway my thinking. If you are in support of RP then support him. He is just “another opportunist.

I’ve got something to say about the Real Time Show on HBO…I don’t miss too much of anything.

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Karin, Indiana — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:24:19 GMT

Chuck "Polls" Todd you must be in Poll heaven right about now. To the point they even allowed you in the studio today to have fun with your polls. Thanks however, for sitting Miss Mika straight on the polls as she shouted over your, a job I thought belong to Joe.

Do me a favor Chuck and take a poll on how hard other Presidents were judge 4-5 months into office with a mess as big as the United States has right now. I mean people, pleeeeease if this were a year into President Obama's administration then I would expect and agree somewhat with taking polls and being upset with his job but its 4 months. The double standards are terrible for judging this President to others. No this isn't the first president that I have followed but I don't recall another being put under such intense eyeballing like this.

Every group, organization, industry you name it thinks that he's not paying enough attention to there cause. Grow-up people there are some major things going on right now. On one hand he's doing to much and then you complain he's not doing enough.

I've said it once before and I'll repeat it and I know that its hard to accept but "being black somehow means you have to do more, you are expected to go above and beyound the same job of your white counterpart. Expectations are so much higher and that's a double standard.

Its been 4 months people at least wait a year before declaring the mans's presedency a utter and complete failure.

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Donny — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:24:58 GMT

I find it amusing to hear GW Albatross commenting about job creation - he's certainly no expert. He and his admin created fewer new jobs than any other presidential administration, so why would his opinion matter?

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Tony, Pine Bluff, Arkansas — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:26:42 GMT

The Return of Ross Perot:
Ross Perot was also on track with his proposal to impose a $50 a barrel tax on oil 17 years ago(though he only wanted to tax foreign oil). With that tax and its impact on fuel prices we don't need mileage standards for new cars or a clunker tax credit or even tax incentives to develop and use ethonol and bio-diesel. The American consumer will know without any doubt that gasoline prices are rising so we will buy more fuel efficient cars and the best petro alternatives become economically viable without the risk that oil prices will collapse like they did this year and during the 1980's, virtually bankrupting the alternative fuel industry. Congress needs to properly price the problem and let free enterprise find the solution instead of trying to legislate the solution.

PS: I do not like Ross Perot, I did not support Ross Perot, but he was right.

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Markus, Hudson, MA — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:27:54 GMT

The deficit MUST be addressed AND the war in Afghanistan/Pakistan must NOT linger for years...

linuxglobe at twitter.com

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Cjake — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:28:57 GMT

I think alot of people are missing the point when it comes to what Obama is doing. He's essentially front loading everything into the first year and a half of his Presidency. After health care the only major domestic policy agenda will be immigration. He knows he will be around 50% after year two so he's using his capitol NOW to get these items through. Major proposals are never unanamously popular with the public..and given the combative nature of the GOP there is nearly 0 bi-partisanship. So Obama's major proposals will naturally be within the 45-50% range but will not be an albatross once they are passed because despite what the GOP wants you to think, he's not going to change the status quo entirely. By the time he gets all the "hard stuff" out of the way he can focus on the wars, foreign policy, and deficit until re-election. The economy will have been somewhat recovered by then as well. So if Obama wanted to be popular, he wouldn't be proposing nearly half of the items he is now.

And what conservative partisans still don't understand is that the political landscape has changed and they have no credibility with the public. I suggest instead of blaming Obama for the current economic situation...publicly promote real alternatives. Obstruction and opposition without an alternative is no way to win. Obama will always win against the GOP until they understand that because his reply will always be 'do you have a better idea'...but that takes leadership, something they don't have. And if you think he will 'slip up', he won't..he's grounded enough to prevent the arrogance of power to get the best of him.

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Mo — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:29:45 GMT

I heard a quote that fits the Republicans on this board to a tee.

You can't argue with people who do not deal in facts.
So true.

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cindy, las vegas, nv — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:40:08 GMT

Ross Periot - a hand grenade with a bad hair cut!