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Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:26:48 GMT

Good Morning Everybody… hope you had a Great Weekend!

I know I’m FIRED UP & ready to go!

Nice shout out from the Prez there Friday night Chuck! How awesome is it that we have a President who is not only extremely intelligent but also has an amazing sense of humor! Whew… sure is refreshing after the last 8 years of CLOWNS who weren’t very FUNNY at all!

Over the weekend I kept thinking about this ‘cage match’ that’s been set up on the healthcare issue. Many of you on here have shared your ‘health care horror stories’ and lord knows I have my share but the one thing I haven’t seen come up is this:

A couple of years ago I had minor foot surgery and my insurance was BCBS - PPO. I was in the hospital for all of 5 ½ hours – not days! And when I received my bill it was $12K – Following along so far? I’m trying to make it as easy as possible for the Party of NO to comprehend… so the rest of you please bear with me ;0)

Well here’s the rub – since I had BCBS which is considered a ‘preferred provider’ by this particular hospital they reduced the bill to 4K! Which is the amount that BCBS paid them. Case closed! Yo Righties… you still following along here?

Now stop & think for a minute… had I NOT had insurance – I would have been on the hook for the ENTIRE 12k! Got it there Party of NO?

Now can someone please explain to me how this is FAIR? I’m waiting…. ***yawn***

If providers will settle for a 1/3 from big insurance why the hell won’t they accept it from Clara the Citizen??

Healthcare MUST no longer be for PROFIT – PERIOD!

And if it means my taxes go up to help out my fellow citizens I DON’T CARE!

What I do care about is making sure every citizen of this country has access to affordable quality health care!

Like I told you ‘fiscal conservatives’… definition being = selfish - self centered - greedy b@stards last week…

Money can’t buy you happiness and BOY don’t you prove that to be TRUE everyday around here…

As my late grandmother used to say… people like you cry you’re starving with a loaf of bread under each arm!!!

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Ron Indiana — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:26:52 GMT

Posted: Friday, June 19, 2009 (:21 by Domenico Montanaro

*** Well, we guess that’s settled then: In Iran today, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei told a gathering at the Tehran University that the presidential election was fair and transparent and that all four candidates stand firmly behind the Islamic Republic, NBC’s Ali Arouzi reports.

It is unfair to criticize Domenico about his lead-in when the rest of us can not predict what will happen in Iran. But it is fair to say that it is not settled. Sunday the streets were reportedly quiet, but that is not to say that it is over. Perhaps both sides are having strategy meetings or maybe back-door negotiations. Both sides have too much to lose to let this continue as it has for the past week. The Ayatollah has the military. The reformers have the support of a large number of the people. More violence is being reported this morning. It’s time to pray for the freedom fighters in Iran.

The Persian culture is very different from the Chinese culture. I suspect the Iranians will move to an economic struggle with strikes in the oil industry and sanitation industry. That is much harder for the government to fight. But it is clear to me…It ain’t settled yet.

Stupid Pills

Stupid pills are pills you take and lose 10 I.Q. points. Conservatives are taking them by the hand full. Case in point: Senator Lindsey Graham thinks our President is too timid. Does the Senator not realize that Obama will need to negotiate with Iran, regardless of the outcome? My only explanation is that Lindsey Graham has been taking too many stupid pills and is now…stupid.

Ugly Pills

They work a lot like stupid pills. Pat Buchanan has been taking a stupid and an ugly pill for years…and they are working!

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Pat, Boston, MA — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:29:37 GMT

A few words of wisdom from one of my favorite historical figures, John D. Rockefeller, Jr. -

"I believe in the supreme worth of the individual and in his right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I believe that every right implies a responsibility; every opportunity, an obligation; every possession, a duty. I believe that the law was made for man and not man for the law; that government is the servant of the people and not their master. I believe in the dignity of labor, whether with head or hand; that the world owes no man a living but that it owes every man an opportunity to make a living. I believe that thrift is essential to well ordered living and that economy is a prime requisite of a sound financial structure, whether in government, business or personal affairs. I believe that truth and justice are fundamental to an enduring social order. I believe in the sacredness of a promise, that a man's word should be as good as his bond; that character — not wealth or power or position — is of supreme worth."
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For A Moment Like This, Some People Wait A Lifetime

President Obama has a fight on his hands with healthcare. His fight will be with the democrats. But he's going to win this fight. With our help. You just wait & see. Send money, protest, call your reps.

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matt — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:30:54 GMT

Does McCain and his fellow neo-cons want Obama to order some sort of nuclear strike? Do they realize this would kill the mullahs as well as the almighty protestors?

http://www.political-buzz.com/

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Anita, Birmingham, Alabama — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:32:24 GMT

Just Thinking…

Watched Meet The Press again on yesterday morning…I don’t know why I keep torturing myself, but yesterday will be the last time that I watch it. David Gregory is a lousy host and he is certainly trying to look out for his party. Nina Easton and Chuck Todd’s interview was not as good as it could have been.

David had old information regarding the President’s poll numbers; they are now favorable on health Care Reform of 73%. He discussed old poll numbers. It was rather shoddy. Nina Easton and fortune probably needed a little publicity.

Her opinions on what the president needs to do are amazing. Hell I never knew who she was. Many straw bosses and none that was qualified to run for the office of CIC, but now qualify to give advice.

There are many. Many Americans that happen to think that the president is doing the right thing in the handling of Iran. Many that continue to voice their opinions can do so but leave the “what the president should be saying or doing” BS out of it. This isn’t a campaign for re-election that’s happening, there are thousands of lives at stake.

The republicans and some Democrats don’t give a tinker’s damn about those people over there, voting rights, if it was so then the election of 2000 in this country wouldn’t have stood. Both Democrats and Republicans are nothing more than a bunch of charlatans.

There was so much voter suppression going on in this country that the last election had to have Federal Marshals available, human rights attorneys and you name it to ensure that “voter” irregularities wasn’t happening at the polls.

How soon do we forget? The republicans that are speaking out should be ashamed. They don’t give a damn about human lives, The Bush administration branded Iran as the “axis of evil” and John McCain’s little tune on the campaign trail actually speaks volumes.

Megan McCain appeared on Real Time with Bill Maher this weekend. There was one comment made by her that really stood out and it was relating to the disapproval of us blaming Bush. She got straighten out about making that statement but I have something to add to the cluster f*** he left this country in. Megan you may as well get use to hearing about what George Bush did. What do you expect us to do? Blame the Obama Administration?

I am sure it would be convenient, after all this is what you people are accustomed to doing. Blaming the other party for your messes. Speak to your father; ask him to keep his mouth shut. Remind him about the song of bomb, Bomb, Iran to the tune of Barbara Ann the Republicans are so shameful to me.

Feisty is right! David Gregory has got to go or you all will lose the ratings you do have on Meet the Press, he is a terrible anchor.

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Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:36:03 GMT

I can’t think of any better Birthday present… then WHEN President Obama signs the health care bill this October! Happy B-day to me…

Cause it's GOING to HAPPEN!

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Bill, Fairfax, VA — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:37:44 GMT

FR: “The likelihood of severe unemployment extending into the 2010 midterm elections and beyond poses a significant political hurdle to President Obama and congressional Democrats, who are already under fire for what critics label profligate spending,”

And this from David Broder's column yesterday: "Obama regularly reminds the public...of all the problems he inherited from his predecessor. But to reporters covering the White House, those reminders have become boilerplate. And...they rarely get much coverage."

Finally, the press corps stops cutting Obama slack on this point. Sorry Mr President, YOU own this economy and YOU better fix by 2010. No more whining allowed.

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Nashville_fan — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:39:05 GMT

"So let's get this straight: Barack Obama won last year’s presidential election by seven percentage points (53%-46%) campaigning, in part, for some form of universal health care; his party is about to have 60 votes in the Senate; polls show the country is receptive to overhauling health care; and the president's approval rating is between 56-60%. But Senate Democrats, like Dianne Feinstein, now say that Obama might not have the votes to pass health care?" - First Read
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The rock band U2 said it best: with or without you.

If the political "establishment" and the health insurance companies think that this is all just going to go away because of their "scary" rhetoric and circular arguments, they are sadly mistaken.

I place this issue above almost all others . . . this is not a partisan issue . . . it is a health issue, an economic issue, and above all else a common sense issue.

Those members of Congress who sit on their cozy perches with their government run health plans and try to explain to us how they can't "afford" to do the same for us will be replaced. Period.

Riddle me this . . .

If a foreign country attacked us today, would we not retaliate because we can't afford it?

So why is it any different just because those attacking are for profit corporate health care rationing firms? The American people are under ATTACK - and we will not sit idly by and watch Congress surrender.

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Anita, Birmingham, Alabama — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:39:35 GMT

*** With friends like these…: So let's get this straight: Barack Obama won last year’s presidential election by seven percentage points (53%-46%) campaigning, in part, for some form of universal health care; his party is about to have 60 votes in the Senate; polls show the country is receptive to overhauling health care; and the president's approval rating is between 56-60%. But Senate Democrats, like Dianne Feinstein, now say that Obama might not have the votes to pass health care? "I think there's a lot of concern in the Democratic caucus," she said on Sunday, per the AP.

The Senate Democrats that were elected on the coat tail of President Obama had better contact the special interest groups and remind them "who" elected them into office.

If Health Crae Reform fails, we will reqiure their seats. I am not beging them for s****. We elected them and I refuse to beg for something that is our right to have. They are both in the pockets of drug companies and insurance companies. It's time to let them go. We elected you all...not them.

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BoBo the Prez — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:41:04 GMT

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Ron Indiana
Msierra, SF

Why, instead of debating facts - you resort to name calling?

Resorting to name calling is a true sign that you know you dont have the facts to back up a weak position. In debate class its called the "WEAK POSITION"

But, it appears that is what BoBo is doing also. Going after Fox and any other person that does not agree with his far left ideas!

Maybe you could investigate why men dont like to use condoms and get paid hearly a half of a million dollars also. BoBo is paying one of his "friends" to do this??? Why not you???

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Willing to Work — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:41:51 GMT

WHERE ARE THE JOBS, OBAMA???? I need a job now. You said unemployment wouldn't go over 8%.

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Caryl S. Foster, San Diego, California — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:42:34 GMT

The Repudiated Republican Party of No is solely focused on hopefully putting President Obama in no-win situations thinking that doing so is a win-win for them when the reality is they self-creating their own lose-lose scenario for the next 16 years.

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Alan, NJ — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:42:42 GMT

And still missing from all the I want I want is how to pay for it. Medicare, which seems the nearest current program on which a public option will be based, already pays less than private insurance and is basically bust. If you want higher taxes that is fine. I've been saying that some sort of tax is required if this is going fly. It was a lie that it would cost nothing, or we can tax those that earn over 250,000 for everything. Now we are getting to some honesty. Tell me how much and what I'll be getting for it.

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T Scailes, San Diego — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:43:31 GMT

>> Dianne Feinstein, now say that Obama might not have the votes to pass health care? " <<

Some people, even some Democrats, see what a disaster the health care plan is for America. Overa trillion dollars, and that only covers a third of the uninsured? Even a liberal Democrat or two can get sticker shock of what is turning out to be nothing but a power play for Obama and black hole that sucks money out of American pockets.

Socialised medicine works poorly in small and less diverse coutnries like Canada, France, and England. It would be a total failure in a country as big as the United States.

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newdayDawning — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:44:38 GMT

I am sad to say that I quit watching MTP after giving Gregory a sufficient chance to improve. He just isn't up to the job. Need someone far more erudite in that position. As to the MN. election. The recount was triggered by MN state law, so I am not sure that Bai's comments are completely relevant. Having said that, Coleman must know that he has lost this, and probably should have gracefully removed himself so that MN's could have the representation they are entitled to. He has destroyed any reasonable possibility of being considered for any other elective office in MN. He is the new poster boy for sore loser.

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Alan, NJ — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:45:55 GMT

So Fiesty

Was your foot surgery elective? Wonder how long you would wait for that surgery under a public health system?

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:45:55 GMT

President Obama is playing the situation in Iran correctly, staying above the fray and supporting the protesters carefully. The idiot repugnant ones want to talk all belligerent as always and all that hot air does is make the situation worse. I'm just glad we have President Obama in charge instead of McNasty and the Wasilla Hillbilly, those two idiots would shoot their arrogant ignorant mouths off and make matters far worse for the brave Liberal and Moderate protesters.

Sore Loser Coleman will find out his worthless losing appeal will cost him dearly in voter approval. This creep has ruined his career being a dope of nope and refusing to recognize the reality he lost. We still remember how he pressed Senator Al Franken to concede on the day after the election in order to start the healing process and then ignored his own advice when the recount clearly showed he lost. Hopefully the Minnesota SC ruling will come down very soon and confirm that Senator Al Franken won the election.

I'm glad that Ted Kennedy made a good supportive ad for Chris Dodd. Chris got the stuck with the blame for those bailout bonuses when he has made a career of protecting us real Americans from the predations of the rich and greedy, when the blame was really the fault of Clueless George and Munster Paulson.

In Obama We Trust!
Seat Senator Al Franken Now! Ha Ha!

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pat huntington ny — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:46:11 GMT

Perhaps Obama should offer republicans a cap on non-economic medical malpractice awards [i.e., caps on pain and suffering awards], in exchange for support on the public health care option?

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Moonshadow — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:46:30 GMT

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DF Reiners, California — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:46:35 GMT

Poll: " . . . . and 52% say they prefer that their taxes not be increased, even if it means that NOT all Americans get health insurance. "

So take the 73% that want a public option and subtract the 52% that don't want to pay for it, and you get 21% that both want government run health care and are willing to pay for it.

Face it liberals. Health care reform for univiersal coverage is dead.

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Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:47:17 GMT

David Gregory has got to go or you all will lose the ratings you do have on Meet the Press, he is a terrible anchor.

Anita, Birmingham, Alabama (Sent Monday, June 22, 2009 9:32 AM)
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Anita,

Don’t torture yourself… I made the mistake and tuned the weekend before last for the Joe Biden interview and Gotcha Gregory was as disgusting as EVER!

Seems Jeff Zucker doesn’t care that MTP’s rating are tanking faster than Titanic! Now they’ve given Dr. Nancy Schneiderman her own show starting next week! I mean COME ON I like Dr. Nancy but what qualifies her for a daily hour show!

David Gregory has GOT TO GO…
Replace him NOW with Lawrence O’….

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Dave, Tn — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:47:39 GMT

Good news for Dems on health care? After a week of mostly bad news, advocates for a public/government option got some good news on Sunday, when the aforementioned CBS/NYT poll showed 72% backing a government-administered health insurance plan,

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It's all over the web how the lying liberals in New York stacked that useless poll.

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NICo, NYC — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:47:52 GMT

Just when i thought i've seen it all....
http://www.governmentalityblog.com/my_weblog/2009/06/bahrain-paper-closed-for-calling-ahmadinejad-a-jew.html

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Ben Purser, Royal Oak, MI — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:48:47 GMT

There they go again, meaning the warmongers. I supposed they want us to liberate Iran from their dictator just as we did in Iraq. Oh, by the way the liberation in Iraq is still ongoing with no end in sight. If you must criticize the Prez, let it be on ligitimate issues. The critics of the Prez on Iran sounds like sour grape from the last election.

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Lisa Staak, NC — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:49:08 GMT

FR: And this from David Broder's column yesterday: "Obama regularly reminds the public...of all the problems he inherited from his predecessor. But to reporters covering the White House, those reminders have become boilerplate. And...they rarely get much coverage."

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The problems Obama inherited will pale compared to the ones the next President inherits from Obama.

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Anita, Birmingham, Alabama — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:49:14 GMT

*** You gotta know when to hold’em, know when to fold’em: Back in April, we wrote that Norm Coleman -- by taking his appeal to the Minnesota Supreme Court and delaying what seems to be the inevitable -- lost his chance to bow out gracefully.

What the hell did he care? The republicans paid 750,000 to assist with the delay. Yea, yea, yea, we know that the 2000 election stench is still hanging around...good...least we forget...perhaps the repubs will shut up about the "what a pity/shame BS they are talking and don't mean about Iran.

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J. Ellis, Virginia — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:49:25 GMT

Since when have the Rethuglicans ever been right about much of anything, particularly Foreign Policy! They got it wrong on both wars, the countries that used to hate us, now despise us for our bullying ways, and now Lindsey Graham and John McCain are criticizing the President on his handling of the Iranian Crisis. These two jokers are laughable and should shut the heck up before they lose any more credibility.

Re:Heathcare Reform, the Dems need to grow a backbone and stick to their principles. They have tucked their tails between their legs for too long regarding healthcare and they need to man/woman up, that means you, too Ms. Feinstein!

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Pete - Albany, NY — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:50:05 GMT

Also, it's worth noting that the criticism from Republicans is NOT universal. In fact, the GOP establishment on this issue is more divided than the coverage is suggesting.

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Apparently the name Henry Kissinger still means something to some members of the GOP. Kissinger has sided with President Obama's response to what is happening in Iran.

Take that, Chickenhawks!

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Fortunate Son — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:50:25 GMT

There are things wrong with our health care sysytem but they will not compare to the government takeover that Obama has in mind. Barack, keep your hands out of my pocket. It's MY money, not yours. Thief.

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S.King, Illinois — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:50:34 GMT

In Connecticut, Ted Kennedy has cut a TV ad for vulnerable Democratic Sen. Chris Dodd, who’s up for re-election next year. “

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Apparently crap attacts flys.

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Nashville_fan — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:50:48 GMT

Dear BoBo the Prez:

Please spare us the sactimonious "don't call names" post when you don't even cal the President of the United States by his name.

Stop wasting our time.

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Pat, Boston, MA — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:51:16 GMT

On youtube you can find a Countdown w/Keith Olbermann segment from last November entitled - "Final Campaign Comment Keith Olbermann". This was done I believe a few nights after the election was over.

It is beautifully done and reminds us all why we voted for President Obama. Who could ever forget the poignancy in Keith's voice when he announced the winner of the 2008 presidential election.

Try and take a moment to watch it.

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pat huntington ny — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:52:13 GMT

On North Korea....

Obama needs to say more...like, we will shoot down any long range missle from North Korea that comes within 500 miles of the international water line of Hawaii.

Sorry, but I will not give Obama any ounce of support, and will actively campaign against him, if he allows a long range missle from North Korea to come within any distance of the great state of Hawaii! If he allows such a missle to come within striking distance, or to fly over American Soil, and doesn't shoot it down, than he will have proven himself to be weaker than Carter!

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Monkberry Moon — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:53:04 GMT

Stop North Korea's ship and BOARD the damn thing. If there's trouble, there's trouble.

I wish Obama would learn to rise to the occasion instead of having the occasion manipulate him.

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Nashville_fan — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:53:04 GMT

Congress people are well paid - by us and the lobbyists.

Repeal Congressional healthcare now.

We can't afford it anymore, right?

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Clara Kansas City, MO — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:54:40 GMT

Feisty,

Cindy the Citizen is better alliteration,...

At any rate, one of the ways BCBS 'pays' hospitals is per capita. I don't think the average citizen understands that many plans pool a per capita fee of their ppo enrollees and their hmo enrollees and then spread that to the participating providers. So the providers are agreeing to reduced fees PLUS a per capita rate. I agree though, to cover those who are seeking healthcare that are NOT covered, the fees to those who are covered are grossly 'exaggerated'. I was speaking to a radiologist this weekend and he was telling me that he voted for Obama, not because he is liberal; but because he felt certain that continuing the Republican mindset on this topic was certain failure for his children's future. AND he admitted that the uninsured often receive tests "to rule out" illnesses that the INSURED do not receive if their insurance says they won't pay. THAT IS FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG. We cannot sustain this existing model of healthcare.

I watched Bill Maher this weekend and Paul Begala was totally worth the price of admission. I am a longtime fan and he didn't disappoint. I think he was direct in his point to Meghan McCain. I found her flippant, "...I'm just the blond at the table" hard to stomach since the other blond at the table was incredibly smart, studied and informed. Her name is Katty Kay.

At any rate, Meghan has a valid contribution to make to the Republican party; but she really shouldn't attempt to wage a battle of wits with such an unprepared arsenal.

To all the regulars, we've got a lot of work to do locally to bring healthcare to the foreground. Please pick up the phone and make some calls. This is an important issue that MUST be resolved in this session of congress. Good week to you!

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MSierra, SF — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:55:38 GMT

'...Dem-controlled Congresses (during Carter and Clinton) have tended to handcuff Democratic presidents, and that may be happening now...'

Well it really depends on the Democratic President, doesn't it ?
LBJ pushed through MUCH TOUGHER legislation, Civil Rights, Medicare
LBJ was TOUGH, Carter was soft and Clinton was scattered (and pushing the corporate agenda)

Obama demonstrated softness during the campaign
It was ANNOYING and FRUSTRATING
What ever happened to Rahm Emmanuel ?
I thought HE was the steel in this Administration
The Administration has to get tough !!

Does Obama have that in him ?
He got tough with Hillary (finally)

My Senator, Feinstein is REALLY wavering on the public option.
Obama HAS TO BE TOUGH !
He seems diffident and stan offish
GET INVOLVED OBAMA !!

Feinstein was on TV this week end
She seemed VERY EVASIVE about what American is (and has been) doing in Iran
She makes me feel we HAVE BEEN INTERFERING in IRAN !!
So how far THAT goes !!

Especially under Bush, we seem to have been conducting a covert war against Iran
Wonder why they go their own way on nukes ??

You reap what you sow

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:56:06 GMT

The Democrats need to grow a pair and start dealing realistically with the huge popularity that the public health care option has with Mainstream America. They need to act forcefully and together to cram good health care reform down the throats of the repugnant ones. If the Democrats waffle on this issue then they had better expect the voters to waffle voting for them next election cycle. Time for the Democrats to ignore the dopes of nope and just do it by passing the public option for health care to ensure their large leads in Congress. Let the repugnant ones just say no and watch them disappear next election cycle.

Wow we're lucky to have Michelle Obama in our great state of California today, she'll be meeing with the wife of our deadbeat governor. Too bad we didn't have Maria Schriver as our governor with her musclebound apeman as her first hubby. Our state would be far better with her as governor.

Let's not forget that it was the bushwhacker and his repugnant one cronies who are responsible for gutting our economy and putting so many Americans out of work and on the dole. I just laugh at the repugnant ones who are whining that us Democrats have to stop blaming everything that went wrong on Clueless George and his clueless band of psycophant supporters. The repugnant ones have never stopped blaming all the ills of the bushwhacker on Bill Clinton so why should Democrats stop blaming the repugnant ones for screwing up our country? The repougnant ones are still trying to backtime the 2001 recession to blame it on Clinton when it was started on 9/11 by a couple of cowards in the White House who grounded our airlines for over a week.

Blame the Repugnant Ones!

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Alan, NJ — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:56:07 GMT

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Anita, Birmingham, Alabama — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:56:09 GMT

Bill, Fairfax, VA

Sorry to say old fellow. Opinion's are like ass h****, everybodys got one including you. He will serve another term.

Obama/Biden 2012!!

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Rick, NC — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:56:27 GMT

Suit up chickenhawks...I'm sick of you clowns being keyboard warriors and not putting your money and lives where your mouths are at...and take the rest of the too chicken to fight crowd like graham, limbaugh, cheney and all the rest with you to Iran, Iraq or North Korea, your choice clowns....

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Nashville_fan — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:56:54 GMT

Stop all government run health care for all government workers.

Stop all governement assistance to states after natural disasters.

Stop all subsidies to all corporations/business entities of any kind.

We can't afford it, right?

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no joe, no bo, nj — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:58:05 GMT

On Iran, Obama is more naieve than he is on health care. This is not an Ivory Tower, academic discussion-it is reality.

Germany and France have each issued stronger statements than Obama's, as has that twit in Great Britain, P.M.Brown. It has been speculated that Obama wants to keep his powder dry so that he does not run his chances of having diplomatic relations with the reining authorities-so much for his beliefs in a 'greater world'.

is anyone in this country really going to stand for his lending legitimacy to the powers that be in Iran? No One is advocating going to war with them, as the libs on this site continually raise as the epitome of the straw man argument. The statement relaesed by both houses of congress hit the right note on Friday-but the wordsmith in chief chokes on strong words that do not have ambivalent meaning.

Many of the liberal bloggers on this site also raise the issue of overthrowing the government in Iran in the early 1950's, neatly forgetting that the last time we 'interferred' in that country's leadership was in the late 1970's. That would be when Jimmy Carter, in his infinite wisdome, undermined the Shah, and made it possible, through strong arm tactics, for the Ayatollah Khomeini to return to Tehren. Carter though him a 'holy man, almost a saint'. We see what that saint wrought.

Obama is as dangerously naive as Carter. On North Korea, on Iran, on the Palestinians-he is proof that those who voted for him should have heeded the old adage-"those who can, do. those who can't, teach".

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GW, Vancouver, Canada — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:58:18 GMT

It seems the GOP has learned nothing from their 8 years, their answers to everything from diplocmacy to the economy is more of the same failed policies of the Cheney/Bush years. It is bad enough not to learm from your mistakes , but to propose them as answers to current problems. It also seems the main stream media has learned nothing as well, with their timid unquestioning of the GOP leaders. We should be thankful that John McCain and Scary Palin are not around . Every utterance they make proves how disastrous they would be. Perhasps they should be sent to the same primary school where Condi was finally asked the questions the MSM should have

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mk — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:59:05 GMT

Looks like the lobbyist money from the insurance and pharmaceutical companies is beginning to work it's evil magic in our greed riddled congress, a healthcare reform plan without a public option is no reform at all, we all know it, the congress knows we know it, we will see if they give the American citizen the finger again.

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Anita, Birmingham, Alabama — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:59:49 GMT

Socialised medicine works poorly in small and less diverse coutnries like Canada, France, and England. It would be a total failure in a country as big as the United States.
T Scailes, San Diego

Be gone with your BS. We know that your talking points have failed across America. Socialized medicine my ass. What is Medicare???? New material please.

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Chris - IL — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:01:03 GMT

I believe President Obama is taking exactly the right course with Iran. He is not getting involved in the election, but he is speaking up against their violence toward peaceful protesters. The Iranian protesters are using tactics that worked for Ghandi and Martin Luther King. Change didn't happen overnight in either case, but change DID happen.

As for Chuck Grassley saying, "If America stands for democracy and all of these demonstrations are going on in Tehran and other cities over there, and people don't think that we really care, then obviously they're going to question, do we really believe in our principles?"

Mr Grassley might want to review our great nation's history before he goes making statements like that. We were NOT supporting democracy when we helped overthrow the elected government in Iran and put the Shah back in power. We were NOT supporting democracy in South Vietnam when we backed a brutal regimes of Diem, Mihn, and Thieu. We were NOT backing democracy when we supported the oppressive dictators in Central and South America. Even as recently as 2007 we supported Nazarbayev, a dictator in Kazakhstan that put himself in power for life.

The Iranian government and the rest of the world are not so naive to think that the US stands for democracy. We are only for democracy when it benefits us!

So we are right to stay out of it and let it run its course.

And for those drawing parallels to WWII and talking about Chamberlin, Churchill, and FDR, this situation is not even remotely similar to Hitler and WWII! The Republican of Iran has not invaded anyone and is not looking to take over the world.

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US Taxpayers — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:01:18 GMT

Ramping up the rhetoric? The rhertoric doesn't pay the bill. Hard working American taxpayers have had enough. They are already overtaxed trying to service an ever expanding federal government. Percentages are given that say health care costs exceed inflation. What about the federal government costs though? Those costs exceed the rate of increase of health care!

Americans will just say no to the bloated federal government becoming more obese with the attempted take over of nearly 20% of the economy, the health care system, by the government.

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Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:01:32 GMT

Was your foot surgery elective? Wonder how long you would wait for that surgery under a public health system?
Alan, NJ (Sent Monday, June 22, 2009 9:45 AM)
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So Alan…

What does whether my surgery was elective or not have to do with COSTS??? Because that was my question…

Want to try again to address the cost issue?

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Joyce — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:02:19 GMT

The Republicans need to really take a step back and think about getting into the Iranian's business. Look, if they think the U.S. are "meddling" it's gonna be even harder in the future to work with them to get problems solved. I am sure this is why the Obama administration has taken the necessary steps to not approach the situation so aggresively. Calm down repubs, you may get your turn to reak havok, with other countries, in the future.

As for Ensign: So, he knew about the mistresses husband about to "tattle on him" to a certain "news" outlet and this is why he went ahead and made his public statment? If that had not been the case he would not have said anything at all about the affiar? Boy I tell you, hypocricy is a b*#@%!

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Nashville_fan — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:02:30 GMT

To Alan, NJ:

Do you think that all the money that the Republican party has been allowing businesses to hide in offshore tax havens could help pay for health care?

I think it will.

How about if we regulate the financial industry and not be on the hook every 15 years for BILLIONS OF DOLLARS trying to bail them out from their latest "fraud of the decade"?

Sounds like a money saver to me.

What if we sued the health insurance industry for some of our money back, since they collect our premiums on the front end and deny our claims on the back end?

I'm thinking we have a strong case.

What if we stop attacking sovereign nations and running up 10 BILLION dollar A MONTH bills with poorly run foreign adventures to "keep us safe"?

I think we just hit the jackpot.

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Right Stripes — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:04:11 GMT

Congress people are well paid - by us and the lobbyists.

Repeal Congressional healthcare now.

We can't afford it anymore, right?
Nashville_fan

The incessant whining from the left continues. What's next, holding your breath until you turn blue?

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Ron Indiana — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:04:55 GMT

Bobo the Prez: You are right, I was a bit "snarky". So let's deal with some facts. In the past the "loyal oppostion" remained loyal as it pertains to foreign affairs. In the past 10 days the conservatives, like Cantor, Boehner, McCain have tried to make news by critizing our President relative to handling the Iranian affair.

Granted, Bush received his share of grief regarding the handling of Iraq. But to my way of thinking, starting a preemptive war deserves some comment.

Thank you for your comment. I'll work harder sticking to the facts.

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:05:05 GMT

Ofcourse the repugnant ones want to blame the high unemployment on President Obama instead of placing the blame where it belongs with the bushwhacker and the repugnant ones. Let's not forget that the repugnant ones got that outsourcing jobs tax credit passed so they could break the back of the Democratic Party by breaking the back of organized unionized labor. The repugnant ones only created less than 3 million jobs during the bushwhacker's reign of economic terror comnpared to over 23 million under Bill Clinton. President Obama is the one caught holding the bag on the job losses that started under Clueless George and he is doing the right thing with the stimulus package to reverse the job loss trend started by the evil elephants.

See how President Obama got Big Pharma to cut costs by $80 billion over the next 10 years, something the bushwhacker could never do. Oh yeah the bushwhacker passed that garbage legislation that ensured that big pharma could rip us off on drug prices for many years to come. About time we have a president who works for the people instead of big business.

I can't wait to see what Ed Schultz has in store for his Op Ed and Psycho Talk segments. Hopefully Bachmann Moron Overdrive or Sinner Sarah has said something clueless over the weekend but I'm sure some repugnant one has said something totally clueless for Ed to mock. I also look forward to seeing who makes Keith Olbermann's Worst Person in the World for today.

In Obama We Trust!

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Nashville_fan — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:05:24 GMT

Nashville
If a foreign country attacked us today, would we not retaliate because we can't afford it?

Would this be a one-off expenditure or a continuing annual expense? Are you comparing WW2 which was over in 3 - 4 years or a lifetime entitlement? If we cover everybody for the next 3 years and then stiop would you be happy?
Alan, NJ
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I disagree with your premise- war costs don't stop when the war ends . . . we still have a lifetime of care for the wounded soldiers and usually we stick around to "rebuild" what we destroyed.

Also, I will only be happy with a system that is built around the REALITY that people get sick, whether or not they are employed and whether or not they are insured.

That is a simple fact that is not going away. Plan for it, budget for it, and move on like the civilized nation we claim to be.

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Anita, Birmingham, Alabama — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:06:00 GMT

Seems Jeff Zucker doesn’t care that MTP’s rating are tanking faster than Titanic! Now they’ve given Dr. Nancy Schneiderman her own show starting next week! I mean COME ON I like Dr. Nancy but what qualifies her for a daily hour show!
David Gregory has GOT TO GO…
Replace him NOW with Lawrence O’….
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
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Dr. Nancy doesn't have thirty minutes to an hour of information to give me. Like you said, she's okay, not a show...please. They really do need to work on MTP. My child learned politics watching that show and I grew up watching that show. I would hate to see it go down the tubes.

David Gregory has to go!!!

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Terry, Disabled Vet, Des Moines, IA — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:06:23 GMT

Why, instead of debating facts - you resort to name calling?

Resorting to name calling is a true sign that you know you dont have the facts to back up a weak position. In debate class its called the "WEAK POSITION"
BoBo the Prez (Sent Monday, June 22, 2009 9:41 AM)

Your argument is baseless based on your name!

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Joey H., NJ — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:07:37 GMT

Stop North Korea's ship and BOARD the damn thing. If there's trouble, there's trouble.

I wish Obama would learn to rise to the occasion instead of having the occasion manipulate him.
Monkberry Moon

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That's all those tough UN sanctions Obama talks about. This particular "tough" sanction says that we can ask the NKoreans real nice if we can come on board their ship and see what the cargo is. The NKoreans though can say "No, we don't want you to come aboard.". That's it, now no one can board.

You have to admit though, for the wimp Obama, that's pretty tough.

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Jody, Iowa — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:07:49 GMT

Iran. The question for republicans is, what do they want. They have no credibility on middle east foreign relations yet they criticise non stop. Getting old. Good discussion about this on Morning Joe and I appreciate the good sense of everyone who participated except Dan Senor. I'm not positive but I believe the group Senor represents is a neoconservative think tank on foreign relations. What a worthy thought he had wanting Pres Obama to call Iran evil; axis of evil does nothing except harden views of America--we already know what Bush's cowboy talk did when he used that term.

What I like most about democrats (nongroup think) is also what drives me crazy. I don't mind their splintering off on some issues but big legislation like health care deserves a united front. Guess we left wingers need some realism about health care; getting legislation passed may mean that it won't be exactly what we want but it is a start to be built on as the economy improves. It is frustrating that republicans and some democrats will "print" money to fight wars but not to fight a war for quality health care for everyone. BTW, democrats need to start fighting the battle of chatter; right now the GOP monopolizes the discussion. Come on House and Senate dems, get out there. Everytime the GOP has a press conference, have one immediately afterwards to defend against the attacks otherwise, the GOP wins the war of words.

The drug companies seem to have gotten Pres Obama's message about savings. This should be viewed as a success for democrats. Bush and republicans were in the back pocket of pharmaceutical companies, senior citizens and we the taxpayer paid the price of GOP failure to negotiate drug prices.

Matt Bai has it exactly right and I agree. Can't add anything to his comments.

I watched MTP Sunday. I like David Gregory as a person but find his method of questioning annoying, it is backward. For example he asked Netanyahu (sp) if he thought Pres Obama was responding properly to the Iranian issue instead of asking for the Israeli prime ministers thoughts--Gregory was attempting to get the PM into a debate with Obama; fortunately, the PM did not take the bait. As others have said, he plays "gotcha" and his questions are more for criticism and to start a fight than for quality discussion.

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Jonathan, Flint, MI — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:08:09 GMT

where do we get the notion that pre-paid medical care is your right to simply have from the hand of the government? That's what the debate is about is it not? Not whether you have the right to medical care, because anyone can walk into a hospital and pay for medical care. Hell, if its an emergency they have to treat you regardless. But I'm interested in this "right" to government sponsored healthcare where do you get it from? Is it a feeling? Did you have a dream at night where a magical dragon told you it was your inherent right? Did the Ghost of Thomas Paine visit you and say it was a lost chapter in his book the "rights of man' that couldn't be published because even in his day the evil conservatives were fighting it.

I think the truth is you want it very bad so because a lot of people want it we have decided it is our right. This is what political commentary on News stations does to people. Some blowhard feels it's his or her responsibility to convince you their opinion on something is so great that we should just say it's a natural right.

On another note Pharm companies are getting behind the plan eh? If that isn't a bad omen I don't what is. Of course the government under Obama has a special immunity to corruption right? Pharm companies just want to support our president because he is awesome at being president...yeah that's it. His awesomeness will overcome special interest and greed.

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eagle1776 — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:08:21 GMT

After a week of mostly bad news, advocates for a public/government option got some good news on Sunday, when the aforementioned CBS/NYT poll showed 72% backing a government-administered health insurance plan, mirroring what our recent NBC/WSJ poll found. The CBS/NYT survey also “found that most Americans would be willing to pay higher taxes so everyone could have health insurance and that they said the government could do a better job of holding down health-care costs than the private sector.”

And yet the minority continues to plug away with their silliness. Amazing isn't it? Again and again the once GOP don't care about the will of the people and go for the will of the party these days. They'll spout their daily talking points handed down from on high either from Cheney or Limbaugh or some other supreme leader (certainly not Steele), and off we go again with all their laughable BS for another week or another day. It would really be pathetic if it weren't so laughable.

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CD, Philadelphia — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:08:49 GMT

This morning on Morning Joe, Jack Welsh said that the 3 people sitting at that table would be OK as far as healthcare - that they had enough money and would always get the care they wanted. And after all, isn't that's what's important? That those with money are taken care of and OK? As for the rest of us, it's far too expensive to have affordable healthcare for all. We can just go out and jog a mile, stay fit and healthy, maybe write a book and get money that way! Yeah, that's the ticket. Any advice on that one Joe?

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Moon Dawg — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:09:03 GMT

Still wondering why Pelosi isn't being investigated for lying and why Barney Frank isn't in jail.

Still wondering .... I guess the libs don't want to do the right thing. It's more lib BS for America to swallow.

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Learn your history before you use it — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:09:26 GMT

First Read: Obama: "The last thing that I want to do is to have the United States be a foil for those forces inside Iran who would love nothing better than to make this an argument about the United States. We shouldn't be playing into that."

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And Winston Churchill and FDR rolled over in their graves.

What would have happened if those two had made comments like Obama is doing? Obama is like the wimpy guy on the sidewalk when a street fight breaks out and as he runs aways he says: "I don't want to get involved"
Perry Masteed, Ohio (Sent Monday, June 22, 2009 9:25 AM)

You are right, these do did roll over, but not in their graves...you must not be a big student of history. You think the moment Hitler started his Poland invasion that these two stepped in?

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Terry, Disabled Vet, Des Moines, IA — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:12:01 GMT

So--you don't like what the President is doing about Iran? PLease without using talking points what would you have the President do?
Health care---with members of Congress having ties to the health/insurance/drug industries, what would you offer to bring affordable health care to this country, one that allows the doctors/patients determine the best treatment plan and be covered by health insurance, again please leave out the talking points, your ideas!!!!!!!

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Bad Chihuahua — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:13:41 GMT

W.
Ms. Palin
Mr. Beck
Ms. Prejean

Thanks.

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Bill, Fairfax, VA — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:13:50 GMT

Anita, Birmingham, Alabama (Sent Monday, June 22, 2009 9:56 AM)

"Sorry to say old fellow. Opinion's are like ass h****, everybodys got one including you. He will serve another term."

Thank you so much for that penetrating insight, all your devoted fans are now so much better informed. And such a flowery manner of expression, so erudite.

By the way, unlike yours my post did not contain an 'opinion.' So by your own words, I guess we all know what you are.

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Alan, NJ — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:14:03 GMT

Nashville:
Stop all government run health care for all government workers.

Stop all governement assistance to states after natural disasters.

Stop all subsidies to all corporations/business entities of any kind.

1) Not their fault. Totaly agree that elected officials should have no health benefits

2) Single expense, not an on-going commitment.

3) Could not agree more. However, I have been waiting for two years for President Obama to call for an end to ethanol subsidies so I'm not holding my breath. BTW Most corporate and farm subsidies are included in the budget proposal put forward by the Obama administration and passed by the Democratically controlled congress.

Both parties feed at the same trough

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Anita, Birmingham, Alabama — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:14:58 GMT

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Frankie Stuze, NY — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:15:20 GMT

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Roe, NYC — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:16:45 GMT

Isn't it great when public opinion is going to be American policy?! Healthcare healthcare healthcare!

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Jody, Iowa — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:20:17 GMT

Excellent point, Feisty Redhead, about the PPO system in health care. The democrats on the Hill and Pres Obama need to pound that point constantly and use examples like yours to make the case. If the dems used simple examples like that, republicans and conservative democrats could justify health care reform. I have no problem with some profit in healthcare in order for hospitals and doctors to make improvements but 35% profit for insurance companies is crazy. They're making that money off employers and everyone of us through increased rate prices plus off the very people who can least afford $12,000 or ??? more--no wonder so many people go bankrupt because of medical bills.

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Chris, Cranbury, NJ — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:20:42 GMT

What's with all the name calling from both sides?

No wonder we can't get anything done in this country! This is how children behave, not adults. Nothing will ever get done until we all grow up and start acting like responsible adults.

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Sylvia Smith — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:20:44 GMT

The WMD croud should simply shut up. They can't seem to lead, they can't seem to follow, so shut up and simply get out of the way so our our president can do his job.

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jesse St Paul MN — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:21:09 GMT

Oh whiners where art thou.The party of the lost is using this issue to pound there chest and make tarzan screams to get attention.See getting seen has become there battle cry,while during the election you couldn't find a soul to talk about how they where out smarted,out worked,out done, by the new party in control.So crying has become a full day for most of the torture elected ones.Saw 120 seconds of MTP,saw Chuckie defending the former president for being a republican,sorry Chuckie but isn't that Steel mans job,and Can"tor,and Boner.And your snarky remark about the WH falling for the bait,you thought you where so funny.Maybe a seat in the back of the press room will make you feel at home.

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TK Boyd, Memphis — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:22:01 GMT

Bill, Fairfax, VA

Sorry to say old fellow. Opinion's are like ass h****, everybodys got one including you. He will serve another term.

Obama/Biden 2012!!
Anita, Birmingham, Alabama

What's telling is this is the same attitude that Obama and his administration project. Maybe it's that time of the month or something, but the anger over the health care plan crumbling has really pushed a lot of liberals to their breaking point. They thought they were going to get a whole lot of free stuff, but now that's turning out not to be true. Hence we see the anger.

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Nashville_fan — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:26:54 GMT

Two million Pakistani citizens displaced by fighting in their country?

The United States sends over $300 million dollars in aid.

Remember that skirmish between Russian and Georgia? Didn't we send 1 billion dollars to help?

$47+ million people trapped OUTSIDE of the for-profit health care system in our country for YEARS?

The United States "debates" whether healthcare is a "right" or a "privelege".

In Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq , and Georgia (as long as it is overseas), the Republican party is willing to pay ANY PRICE . . . they tell OTHER COUNTRIES how GREAT our system of government is.

Here at home? Different story.

The Republcan Party tells us how HORRIBLE our government is, how it can't be trusted, and how we can't AFFORD to help our fellow Americans.

They worry about who is a citizen of America and who is not HERE, but if you live OVERSEAS, American citizenship is not an issue if you need help . . .

Strange, no?

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OBAMA'S POLL NUMBERS ARE CRASHING! — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:27:32 GMT

MONDAYS HEADLINES.
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Iran Revolutionary Guard threatens protesters...
Iran starts airforce maneuvers in Gulf...
North Korea threatens to harm USA if attacked...
Planned launch unnerves Hawaii residents...
Ship suspected of carrying missiles...
Al Qaeda says it would use Pakistani nukes on USA...
Numbers on Welfare See Sharp Increase...
BUDGET NIGHTMARES: STATES PLAN DEEPER CUTS...
GOLDMAN SACHS to make record bonus payout; had a Spectacular first half of '09...

RASMUSSEN: Obama Approval Index falls to lowest rating... a continuing decline.

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 33% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-four percent (34%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -1.
Today is the second straight day the President’s rating has been below zero.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:29:48 GMT

Hey Feisty Red Head, and the rwt of you obaMANICS....how "fired up and ready to go" are you about the Obama policy of "Pay-to-Play".....I thought only the evil Clintons did that.
LOL.....and I see where Olive Garden pulled its' advertising away from the Letterman Show because of his horrble commentary about the Palin girls.
Well, isn't that special?!

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I'm guessing it is the latter — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:30:16 GMT

WHERE ARE THE JOBS, OBAMA???? I need a job now. You said unemployment wouldn't go over 8%.
Willing to Work (Sent Monday, June 22, 2009 9:41 AM)
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The question is, what jobs have you been applying for. Or are you waiting for a representative of the Obama administration to show up on your doorstep and give you one?

Or do you already have a job and are just spouting anti-Obama rhetoric like so many others in here?

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When will the GOP try something new? In 2275, maybe? — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:33:09 GMT

Ramp up the rhetoric?

Obama has said everything he can 400 times over. It's the same old song and dance and more and more Americans aren't buying it.

How can anyone in their right mind trust the mindset of the weak and getter weaker Barack Obama?
Moonshadow (Sent Monday, June 22, 2009 9:46 AM)
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And 400 times is ten times less than the number of teleprompter jokes that have been posted on here.

And 400 times is 1000 times less than the GOP has said "no" in the last six months, without offering any options of their own.

Yeah, same old rhetoric indeed.

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Nashville_fan — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:33:20 GMT

Dear Jonathan, Flint, MI:

We have a right to affordable healthcare because making a profit off of sick people is immoral and wrong.

Because if we have a "representative" government, then why the hell aren't we being represented?

Because if we can go across the ocean and help other people, then we can damn well help the people here as well.

Because our current system is inefficient and we don't like it. We want it fixed.

It is not a point to be "debated" like your pie in the sky goverment "theories". People are going bankrupt and dying.

Other countries are doing a better job in this area - better costs and outcomes.

The American people VOTED for a change in how healthcare is administered in this country. I thought that was all that was requried in representative government?

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Anita, Birmingham, Alabama — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:34:33 GMT

From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** Ramping up the rhetoric:

Why did you all call the presidents statement to Iran rhetoric? Hell the rebublicans are takling rhetoric. Do you have the correct defination of "Rhetoric"? There is from the heart and there is pure BS.

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Mo — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:34:39 GMT

old adage-"those who can, do. those who can't, teach".

no joe, no bo, nj (Sent Monday, June 22, 2009 9:58

And then theirs the Republicans who just follow.

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Anita, Birmingham, Alabama — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:37:21 GMT

Dave, Tn:
Dave dude...get over it. We are talking NYT here. They are fans of this admionistration.

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Nashville_fan — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:37:39 GMT

To Alan, NJ:

The "single expense" of BILLIONS of dollars EVERY YEAR going to various states having a natural disaster is actually an ongoing expense, no?

And even it it wasn't, where in the hell do we pull this money from? The natural disaster fairy dust fund? Funny how the "states rights" crowd is a little wishy washy when it comes time to put THEIR money where their mouth is.

P.S. I know that both parties give money to their speical interests . . . and I am telling both parties that they had better take it back before they try and tell me that they cannot "afford" to reform our for profit health rationing system.

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Ken Whillet, NY — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:38:03 GMT

Lisa Staak, NC

You mean after eight years? I am sure that it will pale in comparison to his Inheritances. And yes mama we will keep the shitty mess up front and in your faces. Bush did it and it wasn't just a small boo boo. It has been life shattering to many, many, Americans...missy.
Anita, Birmingham, Alabama

Any chance First Read can turn up it's filters and either remove the language, or the poster? Language like this is not helpful.

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Let's see who the wimp is now. — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:40:28 GMT

You have to admit though, for the wimp Obama, that's pretty tough.
Joey H., NJ (Sent Monday, June 22, 2009 10:07 AM)
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Why don't you volunteer to lead the brigade that invades the ship?

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Alan, NJ — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:41:05 GMT

So Alan…

What does whether my surgery was elective or not have to do with COSTS??? Because that was my question…

Want to try again to address the cost issue?

Is it relevant to know what this new healthcare system will or will not offer? The phrase being kicked around is reasonable high-quality haelthcare which can mean anything. I want some specifics. For a reasonable premium (or more likely tax) what are my benefits? Will I be able to get elective surgery when I want it? Will it cost me more in premiums (taxes) for this service? Otherwise, to reduce costs I would tell you to go and take two aspirin as that would be more COST EFFECTIVE than a $4000 operation.

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Where are all the other countries during this? — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:44:38 GMT

Headlines are another website:

1) Iran Revolutionary Guard threatens protesters...

2) NKorea threatens to harm USA if attacked...

3) Al Qaeda says would use Pakistani nukes on USA...

Obama's response to each: "I don't want to meddle."
Frankie Stuze, NY (Sent Monday, June 22, 2009 10:15 AM)
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And this is why the US is so hated all around the world. Why is it that, no matter what happens where, we are supposed to be the ones who handle it. We aren't the only country in the world. Yet, when we *do* handle it, we are bullies. This is all ridiculous.

A bit naive, I know, but I still had to vent it. I am just sick of the US having to play World Police.