http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspxFrom NBC's Kelly O'DonnellIn a press availability today, President Bush was asked about Jimmy Carter's recent criticisim of his presidency. Here's his response: "I get criticized alot from different quarters that's just part of what happens when you'reen-USCommunityServer 2.0 (Build: 60608.1)http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198677Mon, 21 May 2007 18:01:46 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198677Desmond"Something is rotten in the state of Denmark"-Hamlet I,iv,90.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198680Mon, 21 May 2007 18:02:03 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198680WELCHWVHE MR. CARTER IS RIGHT. THIS BUSH HAS NOT ONLY HURT THE WORLD BUT THE AMERICA PEOPLE ALSO. IS HE WANTED A WAR. LET HIM AND THE REST OF THE GUYS UP AT WASHING GO OVER THERE AND FIGHT. IF ANY ONE SHOULD RESIGN IT BUSH. DUMB ASS.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198685Mon, 21 May 2007 18:06:58 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198685Marty in Kansas CityWell I guess when you're the decider there will be times when you decide wrong. When has STUPID GEORGE ever been right?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198697Mon, 21 May 2007 18:10:39 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198697H P BostonSPOKEN LIKE A TRUE FIRST GRADER SHRUB!OR maybe like an ENORMOUS IDIOT! YOU SIR ARE A LYING SACK OF CRAP!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198709Mon, 21 May 2007 18:21:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198709JIrby, ColoradoA. That would be "as best we can", not "as best as we can". Apparently Bush stayed AWOL from English class too. B. Universallity of freedom. Like spreading democracy to Iraq? Great. Maybe start by bugging everyone's telephones. Bush is the last one you want to have spreading democracy. Oligarcy he could spread.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198711Mon, 21 May 2007 18:22:10 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198711PeteI dont know, I kind of like Bush's plain spoken even folksy way of being president, kind of makes you realize that anyone can rise to the highest echelons of our government. Nah...I'm just kidding, he's an empty suit and a moron...anyone who still supports this idiot should be removed from the voter rolls ... reason? too stupid for democracy! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198712Mon, 21 May 2007 18:22:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198712PATRIOTCARTER AND THE DIXIE CHICKS AND THE REST OF THE WORLD ARE TOTALLY CORRECT! BUSH IS AN IDIOT!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198714Mon, 21 May 2007 18:23:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198714PeepsGlad to see the typical, well-thought postings. Good job guys!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198718Mon, 21 May 2007 18:23:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198718Charles, Evanston ILSo Gonzo stil has the full confidence of the Shrub? If I did my job as poorly as Gonzo and could not remember who did what when, I would have been fired years ago. And this idiot is supposed to be IN CHARGE of the justice department. If there was true justice he and all of the other idiots, Bush, Cheney and Rove would all be in prison.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198729Mon, 21 May 2007 18:29:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198729chris, portland, maineIgnoring a document entitled, "Bib-laden determined to strike America" is good for our country? Leading a nation to war based on false pretense is good for our country? Sending our troops in to battle ill-equipped, then providing them with inadequate medical aid is good for our country? Allowing an Attorney General to serve the President before the US Constitution is good for our country? Having deputy Attorney Generals be hired and fired according to how politically affiliated they are with the Republican party isn't political theater? Karl Rove wasn't hired because of his supposed mastery of political theater? America IS currently a disgrace...and we have George W. Bush to thank for it, period Mr President!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198735Mon, 21 May 2007 18:32:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198735Gary, Franklin, WIThe President's Iraq policy is also pure political theater. He invades a country that his dad and Clinton kept in a tight box, unable to threaten us or it's neighbors. Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 or the war on terror prior to the invasion. His only real justification for remaining in Iraq is the fact that al-Qaeda now has a foothold there because of his "do it on the cheap" strategy (Rumsfeld) that involved inadequate troops to secure the country. His failures in Iraq, his adequate response to other threats (port security, etc.), and the Gonzales matter are examples of his inability to learn and adjust from "facts on the ground", whether military or political!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198747Mon, 21 May 2007 18:37:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198747That little devil again.He should have said. Look, I understand former democrat Presidents need to travel overseas, and raise money for their Centers or Libraries. Europe is full of rich disappointed Socialist that know their policies have failed. They have a need to pay someone to tell them they still matter. It's the American way to see a need, and provide a service to fill that need for a profit. Jimmy Carter is just practicing his version of capitalism. Mean while all of Europe is moving more conservative, but some how moving away from America. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198753Mon, 21 May 2007 18:39:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198753John Burke, Hillsborough, NJ"with the decisions I make but the American people need to know I'm making 'em based on what's best for this country." He forgot to put "I think is best"... The problem here is Bush is the decider - and we stuck with his decisions. Carter was right to characterize this administrations foreign policy as the worst ever... If this is not the worst in history - then which one is??? I really can't think of any - Johnson had enough sense to not run. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198756Mon, 21 May 2007 18:41:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198756Beedle, ChicagoHey, H P, let's show a little respect! That's PRESIDENT Lying Sack Of Crap to you! (If it weren't so tragic, it would almost be funny...) We're stuck with a 'leader' who believes it's sufficient to endlessly repeat the same tired rhetoric until we stop asking questions. The damage he's done (and continues to do) will persist for generations to come.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198759Mon, 21 May 2007 18:44:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198759rodeo, ellensburg, waWhether you liked Mr Carter as President(and I did not)he currently has the world's ear about the mission of the United States. To brush off the commentary of a Nobel Peace Prize winner reflects Bush's hubris with regard to his decision-making. And OF COURSE he thinks Gonzales did nothing illegal; he was following the orders of the President which makes everything OK. When pressed on bad behavior, he ALWAYS waves the "national security" flag. This careful,cynical calculation is that Americans are paralyzed by fear and will allow our liberty to be curtailed in favor of his zealotry. Sadly, I think he's going to get away with it. How sad.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198777Mon, 21 May 2007 18:59:23 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198777Jama, Columbia SCand I'm sure all of you deep thinkers believe "cigaring" in the Oval Office is perfectly acceptable presidential behavior...http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198778Mon, 21 May 2007 19:00:47 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198778Stil Crazy After All These Years"He's come to a sticky end Don't think he will ever mend Never more will he craw' round He's embedded in the ground"-"Boris the Spider"-The Whohttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198789Mon, 21 May 2007 19:07:13 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198789H P BostonBeedle, I'm glad to show respect where respect is due, I take back the sir. Please do not call the shrub a leader not even in jest. Maybe we could get PRESIDENT CARTER to challenge shrub to a duel! The shrub is so stupid he will forget to load his gun. HAhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198792Mon, 21 May 2007 19:08:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198792Tindle, Richmond, VA This is too funny. Guess what? The reason for the report "Bin Laden Determined to Strike the US" report was for Clintons failed foreign policy. The Republican party has a long tradition of having a more isolationist foreign policy, but after eight years of Clinton’s foreign policy disasters something was bound to happen. I fought in Iraq and am proud of it. The Iraqi citizens are happy as hell we are there trying to help fix there country. You guys can want to cower to Islamic fundamentalist but the majority of the world doesn’t. I would also like to bet 10 bucks right now that when a Republican wins the election come 2008, you same bunch of liberal whiners will be out there in street rioting just like the liberals in France did. You guys can bash the President all you want, but the truth of the matter is, you have your hero Bill Clinton to blame. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198802Mon, 21 May 2007 19:12:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198802BURL IF THIS PRESIDENT KING GEORGE HE WOULD TAKE IT OUT AND PLAY WITH IT.AND THAT-SAME MAN IS SENDING OUR KIDS TO IRAQ EVERY DAY AND THEY ARE GETTING KILLED FOR HIS EGO.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198807Mon, 21 May 2007 19:14:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198807zzzzzzzzzzArafat "won" the Nobel Peace Prize at the same time. You just need to be Anti-American when a Republican is in power, and you're a winner. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198811Mon, 21 May 2007 19:18:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198811jeanie o, saint inigoes, mdThank you Jama for your commentary on Clinton. Haven't seen one thus far today and you're absolutely right whatever the shrub in charge has done up until now, pales in comparison to Bill did in the White House. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198819Mon, 21 May 2007 19:21:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198819Sandra Clapham, Vancouver, B.C.President Bush has lost all credability. He is taking the world, not just the US to a very bad place neither you or I would would ever want. What can we do? I am not even an american, but a canadian, and feel so helpless and vulnerable. Do our voices no longer count for freedom? Maybe we can individually, in prayer or meditation or thought surround Bush and Co. with a golden/white light of love whenever this crap makes us want to throw up. At least we can use our power within to fight for justice and freedom in a positive way. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198827Mon, 21 May 2007 19:26:00 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198827ProvenanceUnlike Dirty Harry's unique phrase of "Make my day", Bush is playing into a determinely non-winning scenario when the president makes the reference indicating the theatre on Capitol Hill regarding his Attorney General. This is not a winning phrase because there are more egos on Capitol Hill than there are in the White House. If Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania thinks that Gonzales should step down prior to the Senate's voting of inconfidence upon the Attorney General's handling of the Department of Justice, people should take heart that the senate republicans will not be found to be the jack-asses the president paints them to be. It is not surprising that Bush is contemptible of Congress but his noncompliance with many of the congressional actions points to a showdown, the president losing. The best Gonzales can do is simply stay until his departure is guaranteed by further congessional oversight into adminsitration actions. Bush is losing more republicans on adaily basis on his foreign policy with respect to Iraq. If Bush continues to castigate the Congress as a whole, and particularly the republicans, watch for further cementing of congressional action against Bush. In many respects, both Bush and Cheney have misinterpreted the Watergate findings, thinking that Nixon may have made too many improper concessions to the Congressional committees overseeing Watergate-related investigations. Trouble is, republicans will not be counted upon if Bush doesn't read into Specter's suggestion that Gonzales should go. And if Bush refuses to let go the leash of the AG as Gonzales will also not relent his constant bashing by his antagonists which there are many by each new day,"Make my day" will not be Bush's affirmation. The more Bush resists, the more senate republicans will get behind a democratic onslaught of impeachable offenses, simply because of power plays that the president cannot win. Think of Gonzales as a beach ball or volley ball being batted around which he actually is and the president counters the fouls that the line judge(Congress)contends. Even the worst of players will have to eventually give into the line judge and Specter must have his day. Perhaps the senator from Pennsylvania is more akin to a Dirty Harry character than the president because he has more firepower available. You call that a forty-four magnum?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198831Mon, 21 May 2007 19:31:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198831Robert Stelling, Chandler, AZIf the President says that he has confidence in someone who testified before Congress by saying "I don"t recall" 72 times, can this nation afford to wait until the next election? http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198839Mon, 21 May 2007 19:37:51 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198839Charles, Evanston IL Hey Jama, "Cigaring" in the oval office never got anyone killed or wrecked the U.S. economy http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198863Mon, 21 May 2007 19:54:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198863Donny, Salem, MOHey Charles, maybe if Clinton wasn't cigarin in teh oval office and trying to capture bin Laden (like he says he was) maybe 9/11 wouldn't have happend.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198869Mon, 21 May 2007 19:58:12 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198869bobf I see Tindle the idiot is pulling the old Clinton crap. Hey Tindle, what year are we in. Buddy, idiots like you need to move into the 21st century. Why do you base all your arguements and facts on 8 year old data. Why are you still whining and crying about the Clinton administration. I know repugs like Twiddle dumb try to distract from the current administrations faults. It must be hard to have to watch your neocon president blow up in your face. Why are you not saying how well the world has been since W took charge. Why are you not telling everyone that W is perfect and never has made a mistake. The problem is; W is such a loser, that the ditto head communtity can not even justify any of this idiot presidents actions. That is why the Twitto heads have to go to the past and create up stories to cover their sorry ass of a president. Twiddle dumb, next time before you show us how much you hate your fellow americans, show so freakin back bone and say an original thought instead of repeating what you heard on the Rush Limpaddict show. Also can you chickenhawks stop whining,complaining, and blaming all the world's problems on Clinton. TWINDLE, TALK ABOUT WHINING, READ YOUR OWN POST. YOU ARE THE POSTER BOY FOR WHINING. Typical republican hate and whine.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198876Mon, 21 May 2007 20:02:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198876where'sbill?Hey jama, "cigaring" in the oval office never got anyone killed. Clinton could run this country with his eyes closed. How did his presidency hurt you? Yeah, that's right - it didn't! We had no debt. We were not in a war, and he actually did do good things for the average person, unlike the clown in office now doing a reverse Robin Hood and giving everything to the rich! Do you want your kids paying for this war until their own grandchildren are old? Get a clue and put your priorities in order. We vote for someone to lead this country. Do you think Bush-man has brought "morals" back to the oval office? He's DESTROYED morals, as have all his henchmen, and raped the Constitution! Like the bumper sticker says, "When Clinton lied, no one died." You're probably just jealous because women liked him.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198883Mon, 21 May 2007 20:06:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198883Bill, Monument, COClinton may have gotten a BJ, but it is the citizens of the US (and the rest of the world) that are getting screwed now. When the highest law enforcement officer in the nation is a criminal, there is no law... http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198888Mon, 21 May 2007 20:11:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198888Graham, Lloydminster, ABTo Jama and Jeanie, how terribly said you both would choose to roll back in time and remember the indiscretions of 8+ years ago. It is an unfortunate fact that everyione blames the administration or generation before them for the troubles they are experiencing. I guess if one does not blame the previous generation/administration, there is only one choice left. Heaven forbid! I do not doubt that many Iraqis welcome and encourage the continued US involvement in their country. That is a separate issue, for what is at hand here is the blatant lying, deceitful practices of an arrogant administration that is fixated on their own unique agenda. President Bush chose to leave Iraq as his legacy to the world. Let us pray that he chooses to not leave the world anything else except perhaps, his letter of immediate resignation. President Bush entered the elections proclaiming himself as a "uniter" not a "divider ". After creating one of the most devisive political climates ever to visit your great nation, it would seem he is slowly getting around to that. He is slowly uniting both sides of the political process against him. God bless you all.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198890Mon, 21 May 2007 20:12:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198890Sam Hain TucsonWho having "all" of their mental faculties would compare 3,000+ dead and countless injured and or maimed would compare a unjustified war to having sex in the oval office. We wonder how we got to this point. If jeanie o is a sample of the thought process for most republicans we are in for some deep doodoo in the future http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198891Mon, 21 May 2007 20:13:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198891Joe Bob. TXRE; Tindle, Richmond, VA This guy does not sound like he is either a vet or has ever been in Iraq. More than likely he is another right wing faithful automaton sitting in a trailer somehwere drinking the Kool Aide... (and of course getting screwed by the policies of the very people he so stronly defends)... I kind of feel sorry for him when he wakes up... well maybe not....http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198897Mon, 21 May 2007 20:16:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198897911truthdotorgWhat people don't understand is that gonzales was not made AG to enforce the law and the Constitution, but to circumvent, break and destroy it....This may look like incompetence to a logical, rational person but that was/is their mission. This country is in some very, very deep shlt....I read an article yesterday that said rove has already set the rescumlicans up to win in 2008....And the pathetic, cowardly Democrats won't lift a finger to stop or fight them....We need Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich or Mike Gravel!....Google videos: 9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Editionhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198898Mon, 21 May 2007 20:16:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198898Tindle Midlothian, VAOh dear Bobf, I love the hostility that comes from the left. I didn’t spew any hate. I stated facts. I’m not saying Bush is perfect because he isn’t. He’s made plenty of mistakes just like Clinton did. The difference is I’m not throwing my hands up in the air and whining and crying. I think, as most Americans do, it’s time for a phased withdraw from the Iraq. I think you should have read what I wrote. Republicans have had a long standing tradition of adopting a more isolationist foreign policy. The Clintons didn’t. Hell during the years of Clintons administration over 4000 troops died, whether it be in Bosnia, Somalia or in operations in the Middle East. I’m not going to sit here and say that Dubya is perfect, NO President is. You can’t deny that past administrations have everlasting effects; many of you are claiming this administration is going to have effects that will last along time. I agree with you. You want to use that logic, then you have to agree that Clinton’s administration had effects that carried over into this Bush’s administration. I also find it funny that you say I hate my fellow Americans. I’m an amputee that lost my leg in Iraq. I love my fellow Americans and this country. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198902Mon, 21 May 2007 20:19:41 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198902Marty in Kansas CiySo tell us Jama...how many people died because of Clintons cigar?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198905Mon, 21 May 2007 20:20:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198905Terry, Disabled Vet, Des Moines, IAFor all of those who think that Gonzo should stay answer this question truthfully: Would you want Gonzo representing you if you were on trial for anything? Remember his memory is very very limited. As far as Dubya is concerned his arrogance will determine his place in history.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198912Mon, 21 May 2007 20:28:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198912Sherri, Charleston WVJama, for the sake of the everloving G-d, save yourself. I long for the days of Clinton's bad PERSONAL decisions. We are in a war that kills hundreds a day, Everyone globally hates our guts and laughs at the executive branch out loud, our children's children owe Taiwan, Japan and China for Bush's follies, and the Constitution has been made a mockery of by all the little grubs that are dumbass enough to listen to the Big Three-Bush, Cheney, Rove. The only good news out of all this, if we survive the stupidity, is that the Republican party is toast in 08http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198921Mon, 21 May 2007 20:34:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198921Tindle, Richmond, VAJoe Bob, I guess these are the "vets" you like better? http://www.reflector.com/hp/content/shared-gen/ap/National/Fake_Veteran.htmlhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198935Mon, 21 May 2007 20:50:53 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198935jeanie o, saint inigoesGraham - I was being a smartass to Jama. A BJ is NOTHING in comparison to what the shrub in the white house has done. NOTHING!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198939Mon, 21 May 2007 20:54:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198939FLand I'm sure all of you deep thinkers believe "cigaring" in the Oval Office is perfectly acceptable presidential behavior... Jama, Columbia SC And you must think having 3,400 and 20,000 young men and women killed for a lie is good thing. Give me a break-just another sheep. Think for yourself and stop towing the line.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198942Mon, 21 May 2007 20:56:53 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198942jeani o, saint inigoes, mdSam Hain - I am NOT a republican! I am a Democrat! Maybe a smartass democrat, but not the less a democrat. I was being sarcastic - there is no way a "cigar" compares to what the moron in the white house has done to this country. I liked Bill - I still do. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198945Mon, 21 May 2007 20:58:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198945BHey Charles, maybe if Clinton wasn't cigarin in teh oval office and trying to capture bin Laden (like he says he was) maybe 9/11 wouldn't have happend. No, maybe if Bush wasn't on vacation and could read that "Bin Laden was determined to strike inside the US" 9/11 would not have happenedhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198947Mon, 21 May 2007 20:58:51 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198947Steve Turner Cedar Falls IowaIf Dubya is counting on his Gitmo-'Habitat for Inhumanity' to put him behind Carter for the "Worst" President, he's delusional on yet another thing. One more Delusion and he'll be up for the 'Ignoble Piece Prize'.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198954Mon, 21 May 2007 21:02:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198954Graham, Lloydminster, ABJeanie, please accept my apologies for misunderstanding your comments. All the best to you and your country - always!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198969Mon, 21 May 2007 21:19:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198969Joe Bob, TXI dont like or dislike veterans and your point there is irrelevant. If the point you are trying to make is that there are folks on the other side of the fence that have pretended to be something that they are not, you need only to look at the whitehouse for a "fake" veteran. Unfortunately the right (especially Roves right), is well known for fraud (remember the swift boat guys), and have no shame in organizationaly pretending to be anything (compared with someone like the guy in your article who is just a small time con man). Speaking of con jobs though we should look at what Gonzales, Rove, et all were really up to i want to see fraud. Election fraud.. Trying to undermine the one thing that is most important to any democracy... You yourself should be screaming to put them in jail for trying to undermine the very thing that you supposedly lost your leg trying to protect...http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198971Mon, 21 May 2007 21:21:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198971L FraserThere isn't any administration that does not have to deal with the administration that came before. The Clinton administration did not make the decision to go to war with Iraq, George Bush Jr. did, and that was against the compelling advice of his father. He has no respect for his father, former presidents, or current advice that does not feed into his egomaniacal agenda. I am a liberal and a proud one and I am not crying or whining. I am extremely frustrated thatthe reputation of our country is sullied over and over with no indication that those who do so understand the grave ramifications of their actions and inaction. I am also grieving the loss of American lives lost to a cause that was not, and is not, ours. It is not a war of honor or courage where the president is concerned but it is a war where the honorable and courageous lost their lives because of a deranged man who will go down in history as the most pathetic excuse for the leader of the greatest nation that there has ever been. God help us all, democrat and republican, until he is out of office and out of power.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198979Mon, 21 May 2007 21:28:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198979Dave, TnTindle Midlothian, VA I'm sorry you lost your leg, and I thank you for your service. I hope you have peace and happiness in whatever you do. Hang around and poke a stick at these people ever once in a while. Who knows you might make one stop and think for themselves.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198985Mon, 21 May 2007 21:34:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198985911truthdotorgThe chimpy lying shrub is always talking about political theater. Maybe he should see a play at Fords Theater. Jesus Christ Superstar, perhaps. God, he sickens me. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198989Mon, 21 May 2007 21:41:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198989ppffft"Who knows you might make one stop and think for themselves. " Maybe even you, brown nose.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198995Mon, 21 May 2007 21:51:46 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198995Jimmy JJama, you got to stop listening to Rush and Sean Hannity. Get a mind of your own.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198996Mon, 21 May 2007 21:54:47 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198996Tindle Midlothian, VAJoe Bob, I didn’t hear any complaining when Bill fired every single US Attorney but 1. They serve at the discretion of the President. He’s within his rights to fire those attorneys for whatever reason. I’ll make sure to put my tin foil hat on about the election fraud nonsense. L Fraser, I don’t recall anyone saying that Clinton has any responsibility about Iraq. However, both Clinton and Bush should be held to the same standard when it comes to bin Laden. Clinton should not be held to a different standard than Dubya. Perhaps, Bill should have been more focused on being a President and not sticking his “cigar” in young interns. Or perhaps, maybe his staff should have been dealing with the business (growing threat of Islamic fundamentalist) at hand and not trying to bail him out of his little “pickle”. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#198997Mon, 21 May 2007 21:55:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:198997HoustonTindle sez [[This is too funny. Guess what? The reason for the report "Bin Laden Determined to Strike the US" report was for Clintons failed foreign policy.]].... More absolute garbage from the usual sources. Don't you ever check your facts? The memo titled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike INSIDE the US" was prepared for His Shrubness, and it was presented to him in August 2001. Bush immediately ignored it because he was on the first of his famous month-long presedential vacations and he couldn't be bothered. The media have really given him a pass on this. If a bank was robbed and employees were killed while the bank security guard dozed, he would immediately be fired. Bush is guilty of dereliction of duty of the worst sort and deserves impeachment and removal from office on that basis alone.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#199010Mon, 21 May 2007 22:18:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:199010Joe Bob, TXHey Tindle: How bout a nice trip back to the histry books... The real ones, not the GOP talking points. Clinton was very focused on Bin Laden and told ol dimwit about it as soon as he took over, even said that it may be the most important thing he will do as pres... As to the attorney firings, the issue is not that they were fired. This is a very different scenario from what Clinton did. The issue is how and why, and what is now being covered up (and even more important, why it is being covered up). In the current case this was about election fraud which is a bit of an issue. The republicans pull a few hundred thousand (may even million), mostly minority voter off of the roles in a few key states. Then things are looking a bit grim in the poles so they want to conjure up some fake voter fraud on the other side to take the heat off and maybe even institute some new even more restrictive voter laws (making it even more difficult for some of those persky elderly and minority voters to have their say). The problem is that even their republican attorney generals saw the cases that were being presented for the BS that they were and said no. they were then fired and replaced with such pillors of democracy like Tim "caging list" Griffin... This country is very much in trouble if we do not stop this now!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#199018Mon, 21 May 2007 22:27:23 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:199018Tindle, Midlothian, VAHouston you act as if every single branch of government shuts down when the President is on vacation. Clinton should have had his people doing more than trying to cover his butt after getting busted cheating on his wife with interns. Oh yeah! He prepared a memo. Bin Laden first declared war on the US during the Clinton years. He funded and assisted in how many attacks against US civilians and government workers around the world during the Clinton years? Good job on the memo though, thanks! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#199026Mon, 21 May 2007 22:38:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:199026bobf Twindle, thanks for the reply. I was reamarking about your remarks about liberals. Last time I checked they are americans. You have to at least respect the other side if you want to debate. I agree past presidents can and have influence when they are presidents. But that influence is pretty much gone after they are out of office. I do not like going down this road for every Clinton item you bring up, I can bring up a Reagan thing just as fast. I do not like debating past facts or presidents. I want to deal with the now and present. It is funny how you say I hate people, being a republican for 26 years , I know that is the typical republican response. I would not expect any less. Twindle, I respect your service and your sacrifice. Please keep blank hate liberal statments to a minimum. This just shows you have a built in bias and hate for a group of people. WHY???????? Last time I checked they are americans using their freedom of speech. I would love to debate and talk some more tomorrow. You have a nice evening Twindle. Hope to talk to you again.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#199030Mon, 21 May 2007 22:41:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:199030Tindle Midlothian, VAJoe Bob, before you start talking about election fraud, please read the non-partisan American Center for Voting Rights report. It's ran by both Democrats and Republicans. It's in regards to the '04 elections, it shows instances of fraud from both sides of the aisle. I think you'll be very upset if you read it.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#199033Mon, 21 May 2007 22:46:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:199033Jane, Southern MississippiJama, I think I read how GWB used a cucumber on one of his cabinet members in the White House. I guess that would be called "cucumbering." Thank goodness GWB didn't use a cigar. At least I don't think he did. Correct me if I'm wrong, because I can't really remember. Maybe I've misspoken. A lot of that going around lately.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#199035Mon, 21 May 2007 22:53:13 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:199035Tindle, Midlothian, VAbobf, I do respect what the liberal and Dems have to say. In several posts today, I said I agree (and I think most Americans do as well) that Democrats have alot of great ideas and plans for this country. I just dont think Bush hate and bashing gets us anywhere. I (and again I think most Americans do as well) feel it's time to start phasing out our troops from Iraq. I believe the only Clinton things I've brought up were in relation to bin Laden, which I feel BOTH Clinton and Dubya dropped the ball in a HUGE way. I dont think I've disrespected anyone here today in regards to being a liberal or what not. I just tried to point out that Bush may not be entirely responsible for 9/11. The Iraqi war, I believe it's a noble effort. I dont think the Iraqi government has stepped up in any way though. That is my arguement for a phased withdraw from the country. I'm just sick and stayed home from class today looking for a fun discussion. Cheers!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#199059Mon, 21 May 2007 23:28:58 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:199059JUST ME***LET'S START THE "IMPEACHMENT" PROCEEDINGS !http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#199069Mon, 21 May 2007 23:52:10 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:199069SkepticalThe GAO called it election fraud, tweedle dee, and if you did lose your leg, you did it fatten Cheney's bank account. Notice Cheney never allowed himself to get close to danger, and Clinton wasn't trying to game the system, like Bush. You don't need a tin foil hat - you're there already.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#199149Tue, 22 May 2007 01:43:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:199149Pizza Guy OHI got your back, Tindle. At least you can keep the discussion on on a higher level than the majority of people blogging here. In this day and age of satisfy me now, these people don't have the courage and conviction to see things through. Bush is certanly not perfect, and he is horrible at conveying a point. But our boys and girls are fighting for our safety and our country and we support them without exception, even if it is for their safe return. Those of you who attack Tindle on his vetran status should hang your head in shame. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#199241Tue, 22 May 2007 04:57:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:199241StevePLEASE-I don't need an ignorant draft dodging cowboy protecting me as best we can! And we American people know you are making your decisions based on what Rove and Dick tell you! Please go back to Crawford and NEVER come back!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#199315Tue, 22 May 2007 10:22:10 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:199315Bill Wertman, Baltimore, MDAnd it is part of our present porblem that Bush took the pressure off Bin Laden and Al Qaeda to to to Iraq. Even after 9-11 the US President decided he was secondary. Can't blame that on Clinton. IF Bin Laden had been nailed in Tora Bora, this administration would have no rationale for most of its actions left.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#199386Tue, 22 May 2007 13:27:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:199386J. Vidas /Reagan Democrat WisconsinJimmy Carter was, before he became president and after he left office, a good man. He has always been an honest man of admirable intentions. were more of us as selfless and self accountable as he, what a different world we would inhabit.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#199456Tue, 22 May 2007 14:43:12 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:199456Bush sucksGozalas "testified," did he, you malfeasant creep? All he testified to was that his memory is as full of holes as your logic. I'm sure that's why you like him.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#199503Tue, 22 May 2007 15:20:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:199503bobf Tindle, I figured you for a smart guy. It is easy to get caught up in the nationalism mode. I did not read your other posts. Sorry, I just saw your liberal statements on this post and ran with it. I try to respect all people and points of view. I do not go on these boards looking to bash Bush and whatever. I respond to other people's misconception and hate. I try to understand the other sides position. In fact the person I blog with most is Ryan, Michigan. I respect healthy deabate with facts and issues. I want to keep learning. I learn more from blogging every day: facts that other bloggers bring. It is funny how reading this blog, you can understand why congress is having a hard time getting anything done. I have never seen our country as polarized as it is now. That is why we have to start talking and listening. More important we have to listen to each other. I am sick of people yelling and calling other people names. No issue or problem can get resolved if we just yell at each other. I want to understand the opposing point of view. Mix it with my view and lets work to a compromise. This is the way our founding fathers wanted government to run. Hey Tindle, get back to school and learn. We need smart people with good idea's to get us out of this pickle of situation in Iraq.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#201525Wed, 23 May 2007 19:37:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:201525warsickNo matter what our differences are, I think we can all agree that anyone who has served our country and/or lost limbs, etc., has a right to our respect. Tindle, my only big difference with you is that by the time Bill Clinton realized the threat that bin Laden was, he was on his way out of office, and that is not because he ignored anything. He tried to help the new administration by letting them know that binLaden was their biggest threat, but his warnings were ignored. Remember, Bush "doesn't read" reports, etc., and how could he ever even admit such a moronic thing?! I've read a lot of books on this stuff. Clinton is a brilliant man and, despite the whole Lewinsky scandal, he continued to focus on America first. It was the Republicans who did everything they could - to ridiculously trying distract him and his popularity by impeaching him over the sort of scandal many former presidents committed that the press and Republicans used to ignore as just "men being men." They began their attack on him the second he was in office - remember Whitewater? (No proof of wrong doing and nothing stuck.) Some of you act as though Clinton was the first president in office to cheat on his wife. My guess is that the self-righteous are the very men committing the same acts as Clinton, and worse. At the time of the Clinton scandal, I was dating a retired Air Force Lt. Col. who was outraged and spoke against Clinton for the Lewinsky scandal at every turn to anyone who would listen and, guess what? I found out after we broke up that he himself had cheated on two ex-wives and was as immoral as they come, so bad-mouthing Clinton makes me wonder about the men doing the bad-mouthing. What could be more immoral than what this administration is doing? And whoever said 4000 soldiers died during the Clinton years? Do you just make this stuff up? AS IF the Republicans wouldn't have been shoving THAT down the Dems throats every second! The Republicans throw Clinton's name up every time Bush & Co. screws up to take the focus off the Bozo Republican in office now. Now, the more they do that, the more RELEVANT it makes Bill Clinton AND his presidency. One last thing - Clinton impeached for a dalliance with an intern, and Bush not being impeached for lying us into a false war, ignoring all the laws the Justice Department had in place based on the Constitution to protect both the viability and balance of power in government, well over 3,000 dead and so many maimed I can't keep count and could cry every day for them and their families, ignoring the will of the American people who PAY HIS SALARY to do our will, ignores the Geneva Convention, and makes a mockery of our Constitution that he swore to uphold...and there are still people who defend this scum and his administration? Ask the rest of the world - he has turned us, the U.S., into a joke.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#202754Thu, 24 May 2007 17:12:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:202754Dave WoodsWow! Most of the comments I've read are extremely partisan one way or the other. Both political parties are playing the people in this country against each other. Kinda like good-cop bad-cop. If we are divided then the racketeers can take advantage of us easily. There are a hell of a lot more things that unite us than divide us. The only things that divide us are beliefs. We all have a right to these beliefs but since they cannot be proven we also have a responsibility not to push those opinions on others. We are all Americas charged with promoting freedom and justice and tolerance amongst ourselves and the rest of the world. Mean-spirited name-calling and violence have no place in civility. We can have our own ideas and still work together for the common good. I ask my fellow Americans to please stand with me in solidarity to reject those who would seek to divide the kind and honorable people of my country who seek peace with our fellow http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#202802Thu, 24 May 2007 17:34:03 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:202802Don S, Columbia SCGreat Discussion Guys! But Point Blank - This should have told you back in 2000 how much this Country was Screwed ... you guys Elected "Bush, Dick and Colin...." Now that should have given you some insight on how Screwed we are... and Yes... what You President has done in the last almost 7 years is and will have a Huge reflection on the future of this country. And our grandchildren and even their grand children will be diggin us out of the "BULL" that Dubya has gotten us into. I just wish someone would give Bush a BlowJob so we can impeach his dumb ass! Hillary/Bama 2008 - Hillary ran that white house for 8 years already...and she can run it for 8 more! Time for a Woman to get in that white house and paint it pink, and get us back on track. Most people do not know the truth about why we are in Iraq... it all boils down to OIL. This is a War for OIL. Bush and Dick are both OIL RICH. They make more and more money off your spending habits. We need to drop all foreign oil inports by 15% a year until it is less than 20% of the current volume of imports right now. They want to make money from Oil... Get the friggin Oil Co's to INVEST in New Refineries to produce our own domestic reserves. Easy Solution - Get the heck out of Iraq... let them kill themselves, and when they are done, we go in and claim the land! :) Have a Great Day!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#203351Thu, 24 May 2007 22:12:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203351Izhmo Goetz, Evergreen Park, ILReality check folks. Can you remember John Mitchell? What? You can't remember him or you never learned about him? That's why you're a loyal Bush supporter. Enjoy your "new and improved" Nixon White House, it's everything y'all deserve. Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. all found their way back into favor and power from that unqualified disaster in the hopes of restoring Nixon's bold vision of a unitary executive, a surveillance state, and a President who answers to no one, cares for no one, and can use his executive control of Law Enforcement agencies and their surveillance abilities to assure the election of his successor. The means justify the means. To hell with the ends, when you've got a lock hold on power you needn't worry about them. And, lo and behold!, they got caught, AGAIN. I hardly expected this administration to flush itself, but that's what's just happened here folks. Congress, after Gingrich's stunning six year performance, has little reason to restrain itself. I hope they do, but have you ever thought of the Speaker as a decent woman? I sure haven't. :^( And did you true believers hear how Bush operatives accosted John Ashcroft, in his *recovery room*, to attempt to browbeat him into signing the illegal wiretapping program? And the tongue lashing and stalwart refusal he gave them in reply because he had determined the program to be ILLEGAL? That's why Gonzales is Atty. General. Bush got that program, and that's why they had to fire the prosecutors. They got to close to the whole thing. Bush has not faithfully defended the Constitution. He's in violation of his Oath of Office. This is how it ends, not with a bang but with lots of resignations. At the very least, it will end in Bush's quiet ignominy, as all the layers of protection are slowly peeled away, and Carter's righteous footnote regarding him as having the "Worst foreign policy in American history." And no, I'm no fan of Clinton either, but he never did anything like this. He just lied to save his sorry hide, not to run an illegal wiretapping program for political ends. Wake up folks.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#203788Fri, 25 May 2007 12:32:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203788S.G. VoorheesTo Jama, Columbia SC, No, cigaring in the Oval Office is not acceptable, or appropriate; neither is it illegal. If you can in all seriousness equate the two, I am beginning to understand why this country is in so much trouble. Those who support this fascist do not seem to be interested in facts at all, just the accumulation and retention of power. What's good for the American people is diametrically opposed to this administration's agenda. Nixon Whitehouse? Gary Trudeau's right on the money - we need to keep this guy down with our "knee on his windpipe" until he's out of here. There's still plenty of damage that he can do. If you're not appalled, you're not paying attention.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#203799Fri, 25 May 2007 12:45:13 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203799S.G. VoorheesP.S. If Clinton's little escapade is an impeachable offense, then W. & Company's actions (trashing the constitution, etc.) are executable offenses. How getting a b.j. in the oval office is a more egregious act than the deaths of over 3,000 American fighting men, simply for war profiteering, nation building and oil access, is beyond lunacy. When Clinton finally reaches the pearly gates, he will have to answer for what he did to himself; when Bush arrives, he will have to answer for what he did to over 3,000 trusting AMERICANS, and countless more thousands of innocent Iraqis. Cigaring, indeed. You have helped me to understand how we came to elect such an intellectual dwarf to begin with.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#203836Fri, 25 May 2007 13:17:23 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203836Don S, Columbia SCAMEN! Clinton did nothing compared to this Dork we have there in the White House now. Is it 2008 YET? Better Yet... Jan 21 2009? Thank Gawd for Term Limits! Now... we just need to set Term Limits on the Dorks in Congress ... get FRESH blood there every two terms! End the Life Long serving ones that will ruin this country like Fallwell did... (RIP azzhole). Bless this Country, as we well need it from Dubya!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/21/198668.aspx#204590Fri, 25 May 2007 22:01:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:204590Joe Bob, TXHey Tindle, Now I really know that you are pathetically uninformed. You quoted the American Center for Voting Rights. Have you checked them out lately? First of all they were definitely NOT no partisan. They were actually a shell organization set up by a guy name Thor Hearne who just happened to be the general counsel for the Bush campaign. All of the "studies" that they posted were bogus and Thor and others are trying real hard to eliminate any association that they had with the org (which has strangely vanished). Try a google search for them and see what you get... Try their URL now and see what you get... As to Tim Griffin and "caging", I guess the cat is out of the bag on that one since Monica Goodling actually admitted that Justice knew that he had been doing this when they appointed him.