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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:45:32 GMT

More than any candidate I can think of in perhaps any presidential cycle, Richardson seems to simply be having fun on the trail.

Regarding Clinton's "subtle" shift, I can't figure out what position she shifted from, and what position she shifted toward.

She is going to have to answer the question about whether the invasion of Iraq was a good decision - one she perhaps also would have made as president.

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diane — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:00:56 GMT

It is the media's job for one big reason. We can push back and try to get word out about not just Clinton and Iraq but, also her shady dealings and associates, her lack of ethics, ect.
But, we cannot be heard by the mainstream voter. The media has the airwaves that reach millions of the uninformed.
Part of why she is doing well is because the media uses the airwaves not to ask the tough questions or point out her total lack of substance in her answers and speeches. Point out her taking her husband's resume and calling it her experience, her using the blame everyone for everything time and time again. She was lied to, it's so and so's fault, blah blah. She never takes responsibility.
We cannot get this stuff out to the mainstream. We don't reach millions of people. That's why we bug you guys. Complain about the endless cheerleading and gushing, like the des moines paper does only nationally.
But, the media never listens to us and we are frustrated because people will wake up and find themselves with another failure on their hands in the white house due to the lack of real information to make a wise choice.

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H P Boston — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:09:26 GMT

Well seems we are not lacking info here Diane.
You and Paul keeps up right up to date on all things
wrong and lacking in Senator Clinton.
We thank you for your fine astute reporting and service to all of humanity.

VOTE EARLY, VOTE OFTEN. WOMEN ARE THE MAJORITY VOTE!

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mj, Milfor, MA — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:13:34 GMT

This is ridiculous. The media has been awful in its treatment of Hillary. And, the media has made a two person race out of the election when Hillary is clearly in a tier of her own. It would be far more interesting if the media would stop its fawning over Obama and actually educate the voters on the other candidates running for the nomination.

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juan,ft luaderdale,fl — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:14:20 GMT

Why is it that when Hillery shifts on issues certain individuals verbally castigate her as opposed to male politicians.Is it because she is a Clinton and/or because of her gender?

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:36:13 GMT

You're welcome, HP. Just doing what we can.

By the way, doesn't it bother you that you don't know the answer to that question? Does Clinton think the invasion was a mistake?

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:39:12 GMT

Um, Juan, Kerry is male, isn't he? Are you saying he was given a pass on his shifts?

The more I hear this gender stuff, the more irritable toward her I get.

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H P Boston — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:39:49 GMT

juan...We see how they do proteth to much about gender, but it is in MOST cases gender.
You see how sly they are about the old spin the rebugs have out there..same old, old news.

VOTE EARLY! VOTE OFTEN! WOMEN ARE THE MAJORITY, VOTE!

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:45:47 GMT

HP, y'all keep bringing it up, and then when someone responds, y'all keep saying, "see, look, its gender..."

If this is all there is behind Clinton's campaign, she's a true empty candidate.

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juan,ft lauderdale,fl — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:52:44 GMT

Paul- If your boss is a women, ceo of a company etc and is very assertive and/or demanding she is instantly tagged as a bitch or going thru her period. Tell me you do not constantly here that or come across that in everyday life as compared to men who act the same way.

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Sally Kellermen, Hattisburg, MS — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:09:41 GMT

juan -what language are you writing in? It is very interesting. Most people around here though read english, so your message may not be getting across.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:20:15 GMT

LOL, must have been some good grass at that Moveon.org cacus. I think the media is just waiting for her to become the democratic nominee and then tear into her past. So far, they have been pretty passive with her sordid past, but I think the best is yet to come. Hillary is the "John Kerry" of this election. "I voted for the war before I voted against the war". What a joke she has become. She changes her views on many things because she is trying to make friends with everyone, just like her husband did in 92.

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Yiannis, Baltimore, MD — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:27:03 GMT

Either Hillary thinks the Iraq war was the right decision, in which case she will act like Bush did in a similar situation in the future, or she voted out of political expediency. Not sure which is worse.

The "she was mislead like everyone else" line is pathetic, there were many generals and politicians including Clark, Dean and Obama who opposed this war as a bad idea, as a war of choice.

You do not get to re-write history.

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juan,ft lauderdale,fl — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:39:20 GMT

Sally Kellerman-Loved you in Mash....just kidding. Unfortunately,their is too many ignorant males out their that still believe that woman should not recieve same $ for same job....case in point 5 Supreme court justices. I have no problems voting for a women for president including Hillery;however; I remain undecided.

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:39:37 GMT

So Juan, if its so hard for a woman to succeed in a position of leadership, why in the world would you want your party to nominate someone with a built-in gender gap?

Is your party trying to win the election or make an equality statement?

Bear in mind that I do not agree with your assertion, that's she's gender challenged. I think there's a whole set of other reasons for not nominating her. One is that no one seems to know the answer to an important question:

Does she think the decision to invade Iraq was a mistake?

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Bunny, Winston-Salem, NC — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:40:55 GMT

Why does Hillary's constant shift in positions on Iraq surprise anyone? She (sitting at the knee of her husband) is a past-master at triangulation---remember that word? Problem is the MAINSTREAM MEDIA lets her get away with it AND SHE AVOIDS TOUGHER VENUES. The refusal to debate on FOX by the Dems begs the question: What are they afraid of---a mirror?

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Johndroe — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:44:54 GMT

Other than the fact that being a president's wife doesn't qualify her as presidential material, she completely lost me when she didn't bother to read the NIE and voted for the war in accordance with her political calculations. By her very refusal to address the vote and admit to a mistake, she is both admitting that she is just as bad as Bush when it comes to making mistakes (i.e., stubborn) and that, despite her vaunted intelligence, she is simply incapable of doing the job as president (or even, senator).

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Ryan, Michigan — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:01:37 GMT

juan - Just for clarification the supreme court did not rule that women should not be paid the same as men for doing the same job. All they did was say "If you're going to sue, do it within the law, and specifically the time restraints within the law." If you don't like the law then change it, that's not the SCOTUS' job. That would be the job of Congress.

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JoeCHI, Chicago, IL — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:05:47 GMT

Since 2003, the American people's position on Iraq has changed and evolved in response to the conditions there. Doesn't it make sense that Senator Clinton's position would, as well?

Once again, FirstRead is holding the sole female candidate in the race to an entirely different standard than her male opponents. Nothing new there!

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Joe, DC — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:19:13 GMT

The media has been relentlessly reporting about Sen. Clinton's change of position on the Iraq war. They have also been relentlessly fawning over Barack Obama. Talk about a free pass. What, exactly, has the guy done to warrant consideration as a serious Presidential candidate other than win a virtually-uncontested election for senator? Absent the media's fawning puff pieces on Obama, Sen. Clinton would be ahead by 30 points everywhere. You Obama folks certainly have a lot of things to complain about regarding this campaign, but the media coverage of Sen. Obama vs. Sen Clinton certainly is not one of them. Obama's dismal performance at the debates would be a better target for your frustration. And his complete absence of any experience relevant to serving as President would be another. Please stop the whining about the press coverage, it's really getting pathetic.

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Ross — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:19:31 GMT

Obama's Nevada stearing committee was released and it DOES have some unexpected names. Here is the story: http://www.rgj.com/blogs/inside-nevada-politics/2007/07/obama-recruits-some-important-nevada.html

Also, Nevada activists are starting to be disappointed in the coverage of the Nevada caucus from the MSM. Perhaps it's the fact no one knows what will happen because we've never had a caucus like this before or maybe Chuck lost a lot of money in Vegas one time and wants to get even. Either way, there are tremendous shifts happening in Nevada and despite little attention, the party is well on its way to a successful early caucus.

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:19:33 GMT

Not true, Joe. With most of the other candidates, we know their position on the straight-forward question of whether it was a mistake to invade Iraq.

Not with Clinton.

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Aidyn, NY, NY — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:27:54 GMT

Hillary is the right candidate!

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Joe, DC — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:46:13 GMT

Paul, nothing you say makes anything in my earlier post "not true." You might want to read it again.

As for your comment, Sen. Clinton is the only candidate that has laid out an actual plan for ending the war in Iraq. That trumps Edwards' syrupy apology any day. And this election is supposed to be about the future, or so Obama keeps telling us. Well, the future is what we do about this mess, not how Obama says he would have voted if only he had been in the Senate four years ago.

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bluestateken — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:49:28 GMT

Hillary is the WRONG candidate. Gore/Obama '08

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Ashe, SF, CA — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:49:42 GMT

Instead of trying to figure out what HRC's policy positions will be a month from now, or what she will say tomorrow....let's go with a candidate with a consistent message. Go Obama '08

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Ashe, SF, CA — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:09:34 GMT

....Plus Hillary has earned her so-called "front-runner" status by virtue of being Bill's spouse. Whereas, Obama and Edwards are self-made people and have achieved success on their own merits.
The Democrats must ask themselves this question: Do we nominate a candidate who is running solely on family connections( HRC)? Or do we nominate a candidate who is running because he has the passion to do good for this country( Obama)?

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:18:51 GMT

Joe, you said the media has relentless been reporting on Clinton's change of position regarding the Iraq War. Sorry if I wasn't clear, but that's the part I was saying is untrue.

In fact, I don't know what her position was before and what it is now, so the media certainly hasn't been focused on this.

Do you?

The reason I believe the question I asked is so important is that it speaks to judgment as a commander in chief. If Clinton does think it was a good decision to go into Iraq would she, as commander in chief, make a similar decision in the future?

Now you say she's laid out a specific plan for exiting Iraq. What is it? All I heard was that troops would start leaving within 60 days (though granted, I didn't see her speech in Des Moines). Is that what you were referring to, or is there more detail?

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Robert Catalano, Salem, OR — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:47:24 GMT

Damn, I finally agree with something Jerry said. Amazing!!!! As far as the gender issue goes, I was raised by a single mom back in the 1950s and 60s when women made 1/3 to 1/2 of what men got paid for doing the same job. I believe in equal rights. I, as a young boy, learned the struggles women had to fact at the time. I have worked for both male and female bosses with mixed results. I loathe political correctness and radical feminist ideology. I believe in equal opportunity. I do not like Hillary because she is more of the same politically. She has more skeletons in her closet than that mortician in Georgia who forgot to bury his clients. However, I will vote for her if she is the Democratic nominee because, with the political climate of this country as it is today, I would again be voting for the lesser of two evils. I would like some change. Just because she is a woman it does not mean she is an instrument of change. Claiming Hillary's gender means change is about as sexist as saying she can't do the job because she's a woman. I believe she's up to the job; I just don't believe she represents change and inclusiveness.

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Iris, Philadelphia — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:56:20 GMT

What we need in a President is impeccable judgment, and experience only matters if good judgment is there. The President must make decisions that are immediate and dire. Presidents must deal with war in permanent ink. Hillary is trying to cover over her poor judgment under fire. She can't resurrect the dead. Yet she won't apologize, a sign that she knows full well the gravity of poor judgment in high office. Fortunately, she is not the only choice.

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juan,ft lauderdale,fl — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:24:24 GMT

Ryan- Read Ginsberg's discent. do not patronize.

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Jeff Morgan, Austin, TX — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:58:25 GMT

Joe in DC: "Sen. Clinton is the only candidate that has laid out an actual plan for ending the war in Iraq."

How do you feel about the legislation put forward by Obama back in January 30 to withdrawn all combat troops by March 31 2008? Some would say that Hillary is way behind on putting forward plans to end the war.

Also Joe, a lot of people like Obama's debate performance. Personally I don't like hearing a candidate start yelling, or in general playing the politics of balls, trying to show that you have them, and your opponent doesn't. Some people aren't impressed with "retaliate," "we'll shoot down your planes." Many Obama supporters just don't have too much to complain about on those debates.

And "experience relevant to serving as President," what kind of experience is that? Looking at previous presidents' performance and their experiences before the white house, what experience can be shown to predict the quality of an administration?

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H P Boston — Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:44:42 GMT

IF Hillary Clinton was a Rebublican candidate would I vote for her becauce she is a women???

NO FREAKING WAY!

She is the best DEMOCRATIC candidate.........

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