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David, Salinas, CA — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:35:37 GMT

I'm pretty sure Biden called Obama "naive" rather than "nave" or even "knave".

I'm available if MSN needs a proofreader.

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Flat-earther, Georgia — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:44:50 GMT

No more OJT for POTUS. Six plus years and the present one is still not off probation. We may not survive another.

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Shadow, Hamden, CT — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:57:00 GMT

Biden, Dodd, and Richardson, all accomplished statesmen, are mad that Obama has legitimately earned far more notoriety and respect in the party than they have combined in all their years; it only stings more that one key reason for this is the Iraq War Resolution they supported and he opposed, and they know deep down that no matter how much they talk about experience, only Obama has the experience of being right from the start in the most important foreign policy decision of the century thus far. It's difficult to take their cheap shots any more seriously than Clinton's, since they don't appear to want to debate the merits of what Obama is saying, just to embrace a frame they had in mind in the first place.

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DCJOE — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:04:08 GMT

So it wasn't mean Hillary after all. It was naive for Obama to be shooting his inexperienced mouth off. Funny how its ok for another man to say this, but when a woman said what everyone else was thinking, it was a major cause celeb. Go figure.

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Scott, PA — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:04:51 GMT

Vote Biden!

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Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:07:56 GMT

BUSH SUCKS AND GONZO-GATE WILL NOT FADE AWAY.

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Al, KS — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:12:27 GMT

Naive...the word of the week...wonder who started that?

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Delaware Republican — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:31:13 GMT

Everytime gas bag Biden opens his mouth there is a corresponding increase in global warming.

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Dale, Birmingham — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:32:41 GMT

Joe Biden has the best foreign policy experience of the lot (dem or rep). Though I doubt he will win the nomination, I think he would serve his country and the world well to become the next Secretary of State.

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Yiannis, Baltimore, MD — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:01:02 GMT

Biden in 08 is the Lieberman of 04

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Joe Biden — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:16:19 GMT

My name is Joe Biden and I am running to be Hillary Clinton's Secretary of State. Thank you.

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Ashe, SF, CA — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:21:58 GMT

Notice this report was provided by Andrea Mitchell...a sworn HRC supporter. It looks like the "inexperienced" Obama got in the first punch before the "experienced" HRC, Biden, etc.
Good judgment matters and Obama possesses this.

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Sierra, San Francisco — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:48:05 GMT

So, 'realistic' and 'experienced' Biden supported the Iraq War.

Did he ever explain his reasons for voting for war ?

What in his 'experience' led him to vote for war?

How 'realistic' was his reliance on the Bush regime to do the right thing ?

This clown plaigerized someone elses biography (a Briton) and tried to present it as his own life story.
Wow !! That's really great Joe !!

Biden/Lieberman '08
Experienced and realistic leadership
How can we lose ?

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Michel — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:53:29 GMT

It takes a naive to have a different foreign policy approach than what we have been exposed to so far. Every body in aggrees on the the idea of hunting terrorists and killing them. Nobody ever said not if they are in Pakistan. Go Obama

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Michel Miami Florida — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:54:18 GMT

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Christian — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:57:34 GMT

When you vote for the guy that isn't the smartest guy in the room you get the guy that is not the smartest guy in the room. Don't make the mistake again - PLEASE VOTE BIDEN

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RH Oregon — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 00:20:19 GMT

Ahhh. The rabid dogs start to devour themselves. They collect $80 million dollars for media coverage, to bad it's not all in their favor.
My question is what are any of these knuckleheads, right or left(hell even center) going to do different once in office. They will be working with the same intelligence(ha) people, same commanders, etc. They will change some superficial people on top, but the main machine will continue to chug along.
Hillery will lift our collective skirt and run home to Bill and ask him to make it stop.
Obama will send Shaun Penn down to Columbia for coffee with Chavez & Fidel.
Rudy will open our southern revolving door while turning the middle east into glass to get the SOB that bombed his city.
Fred will... Damn I don't know what Fred will do. Declare Dude...
Edwards will, well Ed will smile alot. All the way to the bank.
So come on I'm waiting for a candidate to tell me how they are going to change the fundamental, disfunctional government that we have.

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diane — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 00:21:36 GMT

Where the democratic candidate stories are highly suspect when it is reported by A. Mitchell due to her large donations to the clinton campaign, I think maybe her along with her beloved Hillary are pissed as Obama one upped them again.

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Howard, Emeryville, California — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 01:39:02 GMT

Biden has explained himself numerous times. Did you catch Letterman the other night? He was quote the Briton in a lot of speeches, but one time he forgot to give proper attribution and got marked as a plagiarist. Or do you not believe the media is that powerful in propagating a half truth?

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dave, Boston, MA — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 01:39:54 GMT

Joe Biden may well not get the nomination but it is hard to discredit what he has to say. Although I agree that his quixotic campaign makes more sense when seen as a bid for sec. of state, he has my vote and my ear...however long he may choose to go on for.

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Tim, NY — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 02:14:05 GMT

Does Obama pay his campaign staff to defend his position on this blog all day, every day??? I feel his followers are lost sheep!! Find your way back little ones before it's too late!!!! HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT!! BIDEN FOR SECRETARY OF STATE!!!

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Zorro — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 02:50:02 GMT

BUSH STILL SUCKS AND GONZO-GATE SURE AS HELL ISN'T GOING AWAY !

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 03:46:48 GMT

Relying on human intelligence from moderates in Pakistan, Joe? And Obama is naive?

Bin Laden has been there or near there just across the border in Afghanistan since before the gunfight at Tora Bora, as far as we know. How come those moderates haven't given us any help yet?

It seems far more likely to me the actionable intelligence will be more along the lines of SigInt rather than HumInt... unless we "encourage" the Pakistani military into providing us more assistance. It doesn't seem likely to come from their intel structures - it seems the leaders of that were hoping to cultivate an Taliban-led Afghan proxy who might consider launching attacks on Kashmir. Now what would motivate the Pakistani military? Hmmm. I know... threaten to condition their military aid. Ohhhh, now I get it.

And I know Biden gets it, too. He's not naive, but it would seem he's calculating. So I can only conclude he's taking his shot at replacing Obama in the number two spot in the primary race (the position very likely to end up as our next president).

For some reason, I don't think its going to work, Joe.

By the way, I'm not sure I agree with Obama on this one, but there is a logic to it, whether reporters can see it or not.

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J. Smith, Portland, OR — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 04:00:31 GMT

Andrea Mitchell's been around a long time as a journalist. She's a strong HRC supporter and that's okay. But it has affected her reporting and that's not okay. You'd think she'd know better. You hope she'd maintain the same high journalistic standards as those of Charles Gibson, Tim Russert, Brian Williams, and Lester Holt, among others.

Instead, she has allowed her pro-HRC position to bias her reporting. She's been on 'Hardball', 'Meet The Press', NBC Nightly News, and 'First Read', among others, where her defense for, and support of, Clinton have been evident. Andrea Mitchell's news is biased so it's no longer reliable.

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Mark — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 05:49:37 GMT

That's what years and years of Washington experience get ya -- this quagmire in Iraq. Heck if that's what's experience is, I'll take someone new.

Also keep in mind experience means that you actually learned something. Which in the case of foreign policy and things like the Iraq War, clearly wasn't the case in 2002 for Biden, Clinton, Edwards, or Dodd.

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Ignatius Anyanwu, Folsom, California — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 06:10:35 GMT

Regarding the comment Senator Obama made as to whether he would use nuclear weapons on the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan:

He said that he would not. His response is an honest and responsible answer. The other Democratic candidates: Joe Biden (the perennial presidential candidate), Bill Richardson (the loquacious jack-of- all-trade), and Chris Dodd (another perennial presidential candidate, and the one who tries the hardest to be taken serious), and Hillary Clinton (the Hawk-in-chief of all the candidates), can rant all the like, and call senator Obama all the names in the book. However, at the end of the day, senator Obama's answer stands out as the most intelligent and commonsense response on the issue of the use of nuclear weapons to fight terrorism.

Biden, Dodd, Richardson and Hillary can hang on to the cliché that: the President of the US never takes any option off the table", that is true, only for strategic national security. We should only use nuclear weapons when an adversary engages or attacks us with nuclear weapons. For their much-touted foreign relations experience, they have forgotten that nuclear weapons are not conventional weapons that should be used wily neely. They have also forgotten the lesson humanity learnt from Hiroshima and Nagasaki, where nuclear weapon was used.

Going forward: we need intelligent and well reason US foreign policy, not a rehash of the mindset that has irreparably, damaged our reputation and international standing around the world. It is not a coincidence, that these older fellows running for the democratic nomination are so united in their opposition to senator Obama's new thinking: this election appears to be a battle between the old and the new, the new and well-reasoned (pragmatic) vision for America, which senator Obama is increasingly articulating.

If you read senator Obama's response carefully, he would not as the President of the US, take the nuclear option off the table. However, nuclear weapons are not to be used as conventional weapons, as would be required to deal with terrorists, who do not pose a nuclear threat to us (not used, or known to be planning to use nuclear weapons to attack us). If there were enough intelligence among the journalist community, who are reporting on the campaigns of these candidates, they would have made these points, to inform the public.

Ignatius Anyanwu
Folsom, California.

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Joan Gordon. Santa Barbara, California — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 06:14:46 GMT

If Sierra knew the facts about Biden's so-called plagiarism she'd know that the charge was brought by his opponent Dukakis and that Biden had correctly attributed the quote on several previous occasions. The Dukakis camp forgot to mention that and made it appear that the failure to attribute was deliberate rather than an honest mistake. And she does not mention that Biden was suffering severe headaches at the time which, after he dropped out of the campaign due to this smear by his Democratic opponent, were diagnosed as brain embolisms which nearly cost him his life.

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matt — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 12:32:29 GMT

It's disheartening that such Dem luminaries would try so hard to knock down a bold foreign policy statement from one of their own. Obama has a good chance of becoming the nominee: Can't they tone down the angry rhetoric lest it be used against Barack in the general?
http://www.political-buzz.com/

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Nathan, WA — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 12:44:25 GMT

Obama didn't say that he was going to "disregard whatever the country thinks." The United States is and already has entered into Pakistan. Obama is correct on all accounts. I support him for President.

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Virginia-Delaware Democrat — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 12:57:34 GMT

Boy, you "Bama" supporters can sure as hell dish it out but you can't take ,can you?

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Timothy, Rochester, NY — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:25:47 GMT

I just think it's funny that Obama called Hillary, Bush-Cheney light and then goes out and says he would attack the Taliban in Pakistan unilaterally without Pakistan's permission. Sound familiar. I'm sure Bush thought it was okay to do the same thing in Iraq. Obama, remember when Bill Clinton used diplomacy with Pakistan that allowed our FBI with help from the Pakistan police, to go in and capture the people responsible for the 93' WTC bombing, put them on trial and then put them in prison? War is not the answer Obama. Missile strikes also kill innocent people. Trying to act tough in this stage of your campaign, when you have been toughting diplomacy, just shows you need a little more experience before you can be President. Maybe in 8 years you will be ready, but not now. For those of you who called Hillary just a pandering politician, who's pandering now? Obama backers, your candidate is just like the rest.

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Amy B Portland, ME — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 14:30:12 GMT

I agree that Andrea Mitchell is biased. I wish she'd retire already.

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POLpursun — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 14:31:38 GMT

Yes, 'tis positive thinking and a can do attitude to say, "OK, I've got lemons, so I will make lemonade." Fine and dandy. However, if the lemons are dry, sour and, in fact, essentially rotten, then we are considering activity that's akin to squeezing blood from a stone. Doesn't matter how much positive thinking and can do attitude, it won't happen. Cure will never be in the same league as prevention. This Iraq and "war on terror" fiasco epitomizes this.

After having defocused from Afghanistan and gone into Iraq, there was no chance of curing from that moment on. The only thing on display here is the military might of the empire (U.S.). But that's not news to anybody. The empire, whatever was/is the empire at any point in space and time, could always run roughshod over all else, even after undertaking an inane exercise and proffering that classic question ---- forget the past, what are we going to do NOW?

NOTHING, ANY presidential candidate has said or will say, post the decision to go into Iraq, has the slightest chance to be as meaningful and as insightful as the judgement on the part of those, who PRIOR to that fateful decision, came to the decision that it was the wrong war. WHATEVER experience WHOMEVER had was/is of no import if it was not effective in bringing about the judgement to oppose going into Iraq.

I suppose, nevertheless, since there is this ridiculously long and profanely expensive exercise called a presidential campaign ensuing, words must be spoken day after day by all those who wish to be up for consideration. They ALL will trip over themselves in this exercise of "gotcharism", since politics is politics. Quite frankly, re Iraq, there was/is really nothing to talk about after that vote and/or decision to go or not to go into that country as was done. This nonsense which has occurred since these "debates" were initiated makes crystal clear that prevention is better than cure.

There is NOTHING which Barack Obama will say, or quite frankly, can say, which will be an improvement on what he had to say on October 26, 2002 on this Iraq fiasco. If he is naive about anything, it is allowing the ridiculousness of politics (which allows for Hillary Clinton's experience to be touted, successfully, as a trump card, re particularly foreign policy, AFTER the current stretch of time from March 2003 to present) to put him in the position of "talking loudly and carrying a big stick." A caution of history: Wherever the British were during the day of, "Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves ----- Britons, never, never, never, shall be slaves", there is a bad taste in the mouth of those who were subjected to the vicissitudes of colonialism and all that flowed from it. One particular element was the divide and conquer principle, from which the insidious balkanization flowed all over the globe. Anything good which came out of colonialism occurred in spite of it not because of it. Relevance to the herein? ----- The Pashtuns for starters. There is also the Middle East, in general. So much for empire, which is fundamentally incompatible with democracy. We saw it with the ancient Roman Empire and more recently with The British Empire, the two empires of The U.S.S.R. and The U.S.A. and now of course with the one left standing The U.S. Empire, euphemistically called the only superpower.

There is more “talking room” re domestic policy. There appears less room here for closing the barn door (talking) after the horse has bolted (not having prevented Iraq).

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:12:21 GMT

I was reading Time magazine and boy, did they really do a hatchet job on Joe Biden. Biden was at some gathering and some woman asked him to speak about what her people wanted to hear about, like health care and climate control and taxes, and all Joe talked about was Iraq. So I can see why Joe Biden is down in the 5% region and I don't see him climbing any time soon. If all you democrats are going to talk about is Iraq, no wonder you're going to lose in 08.

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Ashe, SF CA — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:14:12 GMT

Andrea Mitchell has her nose so far up Hillary's...

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Gerry, Anchorage, Alaska — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:18:28 GMT

Jerry, I appreciate your counterpoints on the various First Read blogs, lest it all become too far Left for my liking (I prefer the center). Your point about Biden is well taken. He does need to talk about other stuff besides Iraq, but at the same time I think in Biden you have a very knowledgeable guy who truly and firmly believes that Iraq is THE most important issue facing this country right now, and frankly, I find it hard to disagree with that. (And let's be honest: he's also particularly fond of the Iraq issue because it's one area where he completely outclasses all his opponents in terms of foreign policy experience and details of what exactly he would do about the problem as president - no other Dems have provided a similarly detailed plan). So, I think you make a good point about Biden's needing to broaden his message, at least when talking to groups with other specific interests. At the same time, however, I want someone in this race who's continually talking about Iraq, because I think every candidate form president should have to answer Biden's "Then what?" question before he or she is seriously considered for the job. It's easy to say, "I'm going to pull the troops out tonight!" It's another thing to talk about what happens after that and what the candidates would do about it.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:29:16 GMT

Gerry, the democrats had better start talking about something else besides Iraq. From reading about people walking away from Hillary's speeches (Time) A candidate should be able to cover a variety of questions. If all you are going to do is talk about Iraq and how bad the GOP is and how bad Bush is, you better be prepared for stories like Time magazine and a few other liberal leaning publications. What is Hillary's position on taxes? Haven't heard that one yet.

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Abbas Syed Scarborough ON — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:14:47 GMT

Oh no, an another drunken sailor aspiring for the presidency of a great nation.

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Elmer Cason, Victorville, CA — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 21:20:21 GMT

Okay people, have gone through most of these posts and have seen some really good, some average, and others just plain STUPID! So to throw in my proverbial two cents worth and for those who like some sort of order and for the SLOW ones here is the truth:

1. Hillary did squat in the 8 years she spent in the White House. That whitewater gate or whatever that FAILED land deal was named was HER doing, not Bill's.

2. Naive?? Clinton voted to give Bush the authorization to go to war without knowing ANY of the facts. Not naive, STUPID!

3. Obama is letting the competition run his name through the mud a little too much.

4. Biden? Are you serious? Other than make garbage comments and vote for a war with (oops) against Irag, what has he done of ANY relevance? If he is/was that damn good and experienced, why didn't he run and win a top senate seat such as senate majority leader?

5. Obama made a correct nuke statement. Quick question: When was the last time the U.S. used a nuke (on an enemy)? Take your time, I'll wait.

6. The only one even close to giving some insight on what they would do is Obama. EVERYONE else regurgitates the same lines of crap over the course of the last 50 years.

7. If Bill were not campaigning for Hillary, she wouldn't be in the top 5. Hell, she's only a senator because of him (and the pardons he gave).

8. Experience in politics really doesn't count for anything if you are truly about the people. If you are a politician you should have enough sense, fortitude, savvy, and education to know what is right and what is just BULL.

9. To the clown from Corpus Christi, if the Democrats need to stop talking about Iraq and about something else, or they will lose the presidency in 08, who are they going to lose to? You can pretty much pencil in any of the top 3 or 4 Democrats to be the next president.

10. Hillary has been trying to show some cleavage lately, what's up with that? She's more concerned about Obama than what she lets on.

11. Most if not all politicians are PUNKS! And the president more than anyone else. If you can't say what you feel (not that you have to throw an "F" bomb every other word)and be true to what is right and just, crawl back in your hole and leave running for office to those who really care.

12. Everyone dumping on Obama is scared of the man, period. He has raised more money from more people than anyone else (I guess being naive has its benefits).

13. This may hurt some feelings, but it is a good question to ask: Why is it that all of the white candidates are dumping on the only black candidate? If the candidates were dumping on only female candidate, there would be a major problem.

14. I'm not a Democrat, damn sure not a Republican. Initially, I prefered Edwards, but since he is acting like he really does not want the job, and Obama does, I'm going with Obama. I'm just stating facts.

15. Oh yeah, Virginia Delaware Democrat....What are you talking about? Dish it, take it? Were you ordering take out at the time you were posting or what? Every time you hear something negative about a Democratic candidate, 9 times out of 10 its the other candidates striking at Obama. Get outta here!!!!

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Michael Alamo,Tx — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 22:17:54 GMT

I pray to God you win senator the Marines and Vets are behind you we need a moderate in office... Semper Fi

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Michael Alamo,Tx — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 22:26:03 GMT

Jerry the most important issue now is the Iraq war. Not because you or many other liberals care about the troops and their well being but because in order to afford Universal Health care, in order to have a better education and safer borders we need to end this war that is costing America's tax payer trillions of dollars. Lets look at the big picture... America Please wake up...Senator Biden is the only logical way to go but we need to educate ourselves and this country not just fall for other candidates promises and lies.

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Britttany, NJ — Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:21:51 GMT

VOTE for BIDEN!