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jtb — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:08:39 GMT

does anyone else see what's coming?

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HMT-MI — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:15:14 GMT

What nerve---republicans yelling shameles.While many of their coharts are sitting in prison,indicted or lying to congress they take the unlimited gall prize.

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kenn"of course we will rub your face in it "O — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:15:38 GMT

tell sensentomanychesseburger to shut up or we will make them hold meetings in the basement or maybe if we tire of you talking we will turn your mike off,bi partinshipyou only want it when your not in control i suggest getting straight with the americans or more of you crybabies will be out of jobs like santorium and weldon they never thought they would be out of the money,we dont need you like you dont need us try governing from the minority like the last 6 years the way the repugs treated dems they should be ashamed belly aching comes around go........get used to it .Ithink the rebubs will be paying for this administrations mistakes for years to come.

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Dave, Tn — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:21:28 GMT

Is Action Jackson offering to take anyone outside?

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Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:22:19 GMT

Everybody's an actor, huh?

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:26:13 GMT

The democrats were sure pretty guilty looking on CSPAN this morning. I thought Stenny Hoyer was going to cry trying to tell the GOP he was sorry for last night. The Democrats promised a lot of things to get elected, but just like Bill Clinton is 1992, they seem to have gone in the other direction.

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Dave, Tn no I'm not bias — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:28:22 GMT

I'm listening to c-span #1 right now. Make Marsha Blackburn Republican party leader in the house. I love it when she says "left" or "Liberal" with that accent.

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Chuck, NY — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:29:15 GMT

So I suppose when the House approves impeachment articles against Gonzo, they will walk out too? Nice waste of space Mr. Murray. What are you trying to prove? Have you been drinking the Rove koolaid again?

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DEMs Fighting Back Against Demonic Wingnuts — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:33:19 GMT

Jerry...for the last time, what does Bill Clinton have to do with the current sad state of GOP congressman? Get over it.

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Earl — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:34:50 GMT

Heated conversation heard between Pelosi and John Boehner regarding the vote in question:

Pelosi: You're it.
Boehner: You're it.
Pelosi: You're it, quitsies!
Boehner: Anti-quitsies, you're it, quitsies, no anti-quitsies, no startsies!
Pelosi: You can't do that!
Boehner: Can too!
Pelosi: Cannot, stamp it!
Boehner: Can too, double stamp it, no erasies!
Pelosi: Cannot, triple stamp, no erasies, Touch blue make it true.
Boehner: No, you can't do that... you can't triple stamp a double stamp, you can't triple stamp a double stamp! Nancy!
Pelosi: [hands over ears] LA LA LA LA LA LA!
Boehner: NANCY! NANCY! NANCY!

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TEC-Spring-Tx — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:35:48 GMT

Congress is perfect when inaction. Seems our fore fathers knew we need a do nothing congress. Gridlock is good when you need to stall useless legislation.

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H P Boston — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:46:03 GMT

Kenn: "Of course we will rub your face in it":O)
Good post Kenn, really enjoy your last volley!

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Carmen Colorado — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:57:50 GMT

What a bunch of loosers. Do the politicians know what their job is? Who elected them?

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Kathryn Kalionzes — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:58:34 GMT

Republicans act like children. The petulance is astounding. They are just fit to be tied because the bill increases taxes on foreign held business! They don't give a HOOT about anything else. Their supporters are gonna be peeved, that's all they care about. This " this is money for illegal immigrant welfare" is a strawman. They are all crooks and liars.

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On the beat — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:02:47 GMT

"......screaming and shouting last night from the House floor, as outraged Republicans staged a walk out after accusing...." No political theater here! Move along, now. Keep moving, keep moving, no political theater to see here...

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Sierra, San Francisco — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:09:34 GMT

Wow !!
It sounds like a REAL TRAGEDY !!
Are the Republicans being frozen out ???
That's sooooo unfair !!
Remember how fair Cong. Boner and the Republicans were when they were in charge ??

Now, they can't even demagogue the Agricultural bill !!
Probably a majority of our crops are pick by illegal aliens....

Get a life, Johnny Boner !!

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G Seattle, WA — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:13:28 GMT

Is there any link to what is actually in this bill?

Listening to both *sides*, one would think they are discussing two completely different pieces of legislation...

Any help with the real language?

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Steve, San Diego — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:20:47 GMT

Amen Sierra!!!!!!!!!

I understand the latest Webster's dictionary has a picture of Boner under its listing for loser.

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Terry, Disabled Vet, Des Moines, IA — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:24:38 GMT

jerry, I guess your party never did anything huh? How one forgets. Clinton is a done deal get on with life. The current investigations are only the tip of the iceberg for what the repuk party has failed to do, keep the dunce in chief in check.

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GAB,Austin, TX — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:40:14 GMT

Jerry----I am going to agree with you on something, its never happened before and probably will never happen again! LOL
Here goes: "they seem to have gone in the other direction"
I agree. What you put out you are going to get back.
The Democrats have just as bad an attitude as the Republicans they just haven't been the ones in power that has screwed everything up for the last 12 years--but they will. Neither of these parties gives a "tinkers damn" about you and me Jerry. They are concerned about holding on to their own power and all the benefits that comes with that. When your party is more important than your country then we are all screwed. We either need to make it easier to have a multi-party system or abolish parties all together and let it be a free-for -all.

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RH Oregon — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:41:22 GMT

How can anyone really support actions like this from one side or the other. We need these jerks to do their job and if the Republicans had the votes to move the bill in their directions then that should have been what happened. If not, then not. How hypocritical you sound defending these actions.

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David, Providence, RI — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:54:20 GMT

The Democrats are willing to steal votes in order to insure that illegal aliens continue to receive American tax money, and liberals in general support their actions. WOW!!!

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John Doe, The Peanut Gallery — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:58:55 GMT

So, if I understand this correctly the Republicans are upset because the Democrats gaveled a vote closed on a poisin pill amendment that was solely designed to kill the Ag bill when they were ahead. First off, I'm not sure that the Republicans should be upset that one of the more important spending bills wasn't skuttled. Aren't midwestern farmers a big GOP voting block?

But my question to the First Read team is this: Did they gavel the vote closed before the alotted time had expired? If they did, that is poor form. However, if the GOP has their panties in a knot because they weren't able to muster the votes necessary to pass the ammendment in the alotted time that's not anyone's concern but the House GOP leadership. Mike, Chuck, or Mark: can you please let us know if that gavel fell early?

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Dave, Tn — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:00:00 GMT

Clinton isn't a done deal. He's running again in 08. Besides that's the last time you people were in charge, and just like Nixon it's fair game. Unless of course you have the Liberal Rule book.

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John Doe, The Peanut Gallery — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:01:12 GMT

Wait. Hang on. I read that wrong. If the vote was in favor of the measure by one vote how can the ruling be that the motion didn't pass?

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Bob, Manhattan — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:05:35 GMT

Here’s what happened: The House (Republicans and some Democrats) voted against Medicaid to ILLEGAL aliens. The Demo leadership didn’t like that vote so after it was closed they re-opened it, found some “profiles in lack of courage” to change their vote and poof! passed the measure. Apparently, this is a new low which is usually found in those republics which were famous for exporting bananas.

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Katie Murray — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:11:20 GMT

Just like the election, the Dems just can't accept defeat. They will do anything - even count incorrectly - to win. Wonder how much we'll hear about this incorrect vote on the news.

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A. Gonzales — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:12:51 GMT

Gonzo-Gate ?

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Mark P — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:13:23 GMT

Hey, the Dems are in charge, they can do anything they want.

And next year, they can run on their accomplishments for all their goals which include 1) A minimum wage increase 2) Reams of paper documenting endless and pointless investigations.

Oh, and providing funding for Iraq, whenever President Bush tells them to do it.

Sit Nancy, sit. Roll over. Play dead! Gooood Nancy.

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Dave, AZ — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:14:55 GMT

To House Minority Bonehead, ain't payback a bitch.

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David, Chattanooga, Tn — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:16:04 GMT

America wishes to extend its graditude for all the cooperation between the two parties. They have acccompished so much. What a bunch of nothings we have elected. One side lies and the other can't tell the truth.

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Someone Somewhere — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:23:04 GMT

Voting or sitting out elections has consequences. I'd blame all this on those Republicans that sat out the last election in order to "punish" their Republican lawmakers. Good job. Thanks for the loons we have now.

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Buster K. — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:24:39 GMT

Definition of the Bush Administration: Infrastructure failure.

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Still gloating — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:24:51 GMT

And all this because of one, "Macaca". Ouch!

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Bruce, NV — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:27:29 GMT

The Dems will rue this. If the RNC has any sense, all recess long they will be running ads touting how the dems cheated to give benefits to the illegals.

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HP Boston — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:28:57 GMT

Tell the CRIMINALS THEY CAN GO F THEMSELVES!
PASS NO BILLS FOR THEIR SPY CRAP! THEY BROKE THE LAW AND NOW ARE TRYING TO COVER THEIR ASSES!!
Shut the bums down..no money, no bill for their illegal spy progams. No money for Iraq, we need bridges and roads here in America.
Tell the crooks the house has pulled the purse strings SHUT.
THE FAILED BUSH/CHENEY terror years are almost over.
These lying, terrorist are our home grown scum!

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Susan, Miami — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:32:45 GMT

AWW poor republicans! They made fun of dems for years for being too nice and passive. Now we are fighting back and they don't like that either. AWWW what a shame, shame, shame. I'd cry but can't because I'm laughing too hard.

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Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:34:20 GMT

repubs bithch that the dems are in control well thank your architect karl rove or the head of your majoritiy I forget his name not livingston he left because of an affair it was hassert he left for protecting a would be child molester or foley or santorumon shiavo I mean thank Bush and co.for purposely mishandling the war .if all the democrats do is sit back the republicans will finish destroying themselves

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RH Oregon — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:34:54 GMT

Anyone who thinks the next President R or D will be anything but the same politics is deluding themselves.
Not sure what the hell they stand for but I'm about to go join the Libertarian Party.

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HP Boston — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:35:24 GMT

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JB Florida — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:36:42 GMT

hey dave az, payback ain't but hillery is.

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Jackson, Houston — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:40:39 GMT

For all you republicans that sit your butt at home the last election to punish the party, well this is what you get. The reason they won the last election was because they got more voters out. I bet you will vote next time.

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Lincoln — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:44:27 GMT

Will the last person to leave Washington, please turn the lights out.

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George Washington — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:45:49 GMT

Plant a cherry tree and help the goverment.

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Richard, Washington State — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:56:20 GMT

I've heard the circumstances and the explanation from the Democrat who was running the vote. He seems sincere and I accept his explanation. I also dont' blame Republicans for being irate at this incident of incomptence. Counting votes is a sensitive issue after all.

But why is it that three times now in recent history (Florida in 2000, Washington state in 2004 and now right on the floors of congress)there are issues with Democrat competence in conducting voting where they are in charge?

They ran the voting in the controversial Florida Democrat counties in 2000. Those were their voting machines and their chads. They designed the butterfly ballot.

They also "found" lost votes in King County in the 2004 governor's race in the state of Washington after two recounts went against them. Certainly losing those votes was the result of incompetence and ended up costing the people a considerable amount of money and stress.

Now they prematurely gavel a vote on the floors of congress. But it's probably honest incompetence because it's Democrat incompetence.

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Jackson, Houston — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:57:47 GMT

That whole Congress if full of it..I tried to tell you idiots that it would not be any better with Democrats in charge. They are all PROFESSIONAL politicians.

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H P Boston — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:03:54 GMT

So they want to keep Congress in session till they pass THE bill? Well do not blink Dems...give 'em a veto bill and move on. Shrub is in his VETO years. Have a go old shrub, this is about your illegal wiretaps, you are in the eye of the storm.
Shrub your lemmings will be angry if they can not go on vacation again!

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viqueira, Capitol Hil — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:04:08 GMT

Hi folks.

I should clarify: There was a great deal of confusion in the well of the House as members from both sides were changing their votes as time was expiring. McNulty brought down the gavel when the count he had was 214-214, even though the tally board in the chamber still read 215-213, according to eyewitnesses. A tie means that the motion fails.

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Bruce, NV — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:06:21 GMT

Hey, HP! No intel, no trying to kill terrorists and a lot more bridges will come down. And it won't be because of "infrastructure failure". It'll be because of "democratic backbone failure".

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Brian, Cedar Hill, TX — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:06:40 GMT

Quoteth Darth Cheney, "go f@#k yourself," repubs.

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Bruce, NV — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:07:28 GMT

Oh, and by the way: this bill wasn't for anything with terror. It was to give free things to illegal aliens.

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Ron for America — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:08:01 GMT

Vote for the third party.
Vote Libertarian Party.
Vote Ron Paul.
Vote with your brain.
Vote for personal responsibility.
Vote for small government.
Vote Ron Paul.
Vote for freedom.
Vote to follow the constitution.
Vote smart.
Vote Ron Paul
Vote for property rights.
Vote for a balanced budget.
Vote for positive foreign relations.
Vote Ron Paul.
Vote for the freedom to worship.
Vote for the freedom to not worship.
Vote for lower taxes.
Vote for the Libertarian Party.
Vote for the right to keep & bear arms.
Vote for Ron Paul.
Vote for Ron Paul.
Vote for Politic only as needed.
Vote for America.
Vote for Ron Paul.
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John hinton — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:13:50 GMT

The only real loser is the tax payer. Why should we let them give our money away to the law breakers. Both sides need to step up to the plate and end this useless bickering. W do not ned to supporrt these illeagles.

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HOT DAM — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:18:13 GMT

Lincoln they can not leave for August break...shrub wants his spy wiretap crap bill passed..gonna keep 'em till they do as he wants!
Hitler is in charge!

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mad in Madtown — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:22:02 GMT

So Bush is insisting that Congress stays in session until he gets his spy bill. Will he remain in the White House waiting for it, too, or has he got better things to do, like clearing brush on the ranch? Stay in Washington, Congress. Screw the spy bill. Let the impeachments and the games begin!

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Nathan, WA — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:26:22 GMT

Drama Queens. The problem with politics is that it's full of politicians.

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Lee Holmes — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:33:29 GMT

I am having some problems with those who are laying down the high-five funk because it is the Republicans ox that is being gored. Perhaps someone can help me out here. We will begin with this civics lesson:

1. Name the last time in American history that a vote in either house of Congress was closed in favour of the side that lost the vote.[215 for,213 against].

2. List article and section of the Constitution of the United States[bear in mind liberals,that this is the Document that you have repeatedly stated is being ''trampled upon''by this administration],that allows parliamentary procedures by either house of Congress to be so violated.

3.These procedures,utilized since the presidency of George Washington,[Congressman Davy Crockett [D-Tn],demanded several vote recounts over the 1829 Indian Removal Act,which he opposed,later signed by President Jackson,which were duly performed],allow and demand that the Speaker of the House or Speaker Pro Tempore fully tally votes at the end of a voting session. Was this done prior to House leaders shutting off the session? If not,why?

Those whose minds are not overdone to the point of patent hypocrisy[''Reichstag'',indeed...],will have few problems answering these simply formed questions,asked in plain English. Get cracking.

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Dave, Tn — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:34:58 GMT

Hey HP "Big Dig" Boston First of all those programs had congressional over sight by your party too. Hell you even had control of the Senate when they started.

Next Funny how people have forgotten about this Bill 2 years ago.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/29/AR2005072900139.html

Haven't heard it mentioned in the MS90%LM yet. :-)
You're just an angry slave for the democrats though. I don't expect you to change. Take the Red pill, and see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

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JKerry, Boston — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:40:15 GMT

Well, some Democrats voted for it, and then they voted against it. Whats so wrong about that?

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jason — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:43:37 GMT

Don't like the way a vote came out? Just keep the polls open just for the people that will vote to change it to your favor, strong arm any one that doesn't vote your way, and keep recounting the votes until you get the desired outcome.

It is the Democratic way.

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juan,ft lauderdale,fl — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:48:23 GMT

Repugs calling out SHAME...obviously too cowardly to say that about the Shrub's administraion. Oh! that's right they were too busy rubber stamping everything like they now do for Chavez in Venezuela.

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H P Boston — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:59:57 GMT

Bruce Listen to Chainie and go .......
Shrub and Chainie are the terriorist...their bridge is comming down.
The enemy within is the terrorist I fear.
Every thing to fear is in the white house and the lyings sacks of crap only want Power. They need no more intel, they do not know what to do with it when they have it.

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JB Florida — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:05:40 GMT

No juan, ObaHillery will just send Sean Penn down for some coffee and foreign policy work. He wants to lick a little dicktator boot. And that should fit in with the demcraps version of globalization.

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H P Boston — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:07:41 GMT

juan...I am talking about the the new fiasco today.
Wire tap wrangling
Bush to Congress
No vacation until

NEW terror bill approved.

The ag bill is dead, this new crap is shrub on the warpath(again).

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Neo-Rat Buster, Phoenix, AZ. — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:40:46 GMT

Let’s hear it for the NEO-RATS (Democrats)!!! I am awarding you NEO-RATS my brand new
ETHIC and HYPOCRITE ACHEIVEMENT AWARD...
You NEO-RATS should be very proud!
Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), chairman of the House Appropriations defense panel, has secured the most earmarked dollars in the 2008 military spending bill. Murtha’s 48 earmarks amount to a total of $150.5 million

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Chris — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:41:01 GMT

I am sickened by you tree huggin, gay lovin, wusses. My stocks are doing great.

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Bruce, NV — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:48:13 GMT

To Brian in Cedar HIll:

Thanks for bringing your brand of TX smarts to the conversation. Is there anyone in your state with a modicum of intelligence?

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Steve P., Phoenix, AZ. — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:49:01 GMT

Let’s hear it for the NEO-RATS (Democrats)!!! I am awarding you NEO-RATS my brand new
ETHIC and HYPOCRITE ACHEIVEMENT AWARD...
You NEO-RATS should be very proud!

Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), chairman of the House Appropriations defense panel, has secured the most earmarked dollars in the 2008 military spending bill. Murtha’s 48 earmarks amount to a total of $150.5 million

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Steven P., Phoenix, AZ. — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:55:46 GMT

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What is happening to us? — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:59:30 GMT

I love how alot of people on here talk about Democrat vote tampering when that is how your party won the 2000 and 2004 elections, hello, Diebold, producer of the majority of voting machines in this country. The owner of that company is a BIG contributor to, you guessed it, the Republican party. He even wrote a letter that is public now about how he would make sure that Bush won certain states, so check your facts.

Also, when are all of us going to wake up, freedom means freedom, I may not agree with what you do or how you live your life, as long as your not hurting anyone else I will defend your freedom to the death. Whatever happen to this concept. We have have let this corrupt goverment seperate us in every way shape and form, from sexual oriantation to social status to everything else you can imagine. They have separted us and made us inafective as citizens, to busy fighting with each other to see what is really going, a goverment that is completely out of control. If we are not able to put our minor differences aside and realize that both sides, Democrats and Republicans have failed this country in hundreds of ways, and while were busy arguing with each other over who is better, Democrat or Reblican, they are both busy at work continuing to destroy our country. We all need to try and have more respect for each other and come together to stop this maddness.

Democrats and Republican both need to be REMOVED FROM POWER, why do we continue to vote for these people who pretend to pander to our wants and needs just so they can get in office and forget all about you, guess what, the Goverment cares nothing for you, only your taxes, and the corporation and lobbyists they work for dont care anything about you either, WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If we can come together as people, as American people with no affiliation other than to try to make this country and this world a better place we could really change things. If we continue to play this game the Goverment wants us to play then we will destroy ourselves from the inside out and have no-one to blame but ourselves.

Peace!!!!!!!!

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Robert Catalano, Salem, OR — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:04:09 GMT

To those of you who claim this bill was to give lawbreakers services out of taxpayer money, remember this: At the end of the Clinton Administration, he signed an executive order preventing companies who had defrauded or cheated the government in contracts would not be awarded contracts for a specific period of time. One of the first things the Bush did upon taking office was to rescind this rule which opened up contracts to both Bechtel (chaired by former Republicans Weinberger and Schultz) and Haliburton (formerly chaired by Cheney). These companies continue to defraud and cheat the taxpayers out of millions of dollars with very little oversight. It seems strange to me Republicans believe helping keep poor people healthy is abhorrent while enriching the financial health of their cheating donors is just fine. Hypocrisy defined.

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Jason, Dallas, TX — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:07:51 GMT

At least a few people see that both parties are fundamentally rotten to the core. Pick the lesser of two evils? Nah, that's like trying to pick whether we want Osama bin Laden or Kim Jong Il to launch intercontinental ballistic missiles at all major U.S. cities. Neither! Democrats and Republicans both sold out to private special interest groups LONG ago and have been working together to keep the American people divided and hating each other. The real enemy is not your Republican neighbor (if a liberal) or your left-wing sister (if conservative), the real enemy is self-serving greedy corporate lobbyists who actually benefit from our country's citizens hating each other so much. United we stand, divided we fall. And if we fall that way, then say hello to an Orwellian "1984" type society run by the fascist elite. A new society starts with TOLERANCE, BROTHERHOOD, and UNDERSTANDING. A decrepit society starts with partisanship, greed, propaganda, and corruption and ends with fear, genocide, and repression. Start a new trend by working together with those who have different ideations. Together, and only together, can America shine once again.

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Mary-I — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:15:04 GMT

Time for term limits. So many of the congress and senate are past the age of reasoning!!

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american?, lafayette LA — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:21:06 GMT

Our elected officials are doing a great job tearing apart our country. Playing our citizens against each other and not "leading" anybody but their banker/investors. "Repugs" as one stated and "Germacrats" play all of us. Repugs make money on oil and Democrats want to tax, to take the money, to make money on "Health Care," I mean "Social Programs," "Help the Needy," aww heck, open a "home health" so they (Dem) can stay home and watch their own health.

My point is, the vote was short changed, citizens were short changed and ALL AMERICANS are being short changed. If it wasn't all about money, why does it cost MILLIONS to run for office. There has to be some briliant people out there, (not rich) that would do a much better job and represent US and not themselves. We need to work together, not spew the parties hate.

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Sierra, San Francisco — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:25:31 GMT

'That whole Congress if full of it..I tried to tell you idiots that it would not be any better with Democrats in charge. They are all PROFESSIONAL politicians' .
... There's some truth to that, Jckson, Houston, but Congressional oversigth IS NEEDED !!

It's good to have the other party looking into the Executive branch.
Notice all the people on their way to jail ?
Henry Waxman (D-CA) ROCKS !!

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John Doe, The Peanut Gallery — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:26:59 GMT

Thanks for the clarifying post Mike.

This sounds like an instance of a close faught vote coming down to the wire and the Republicans whining that they couldn't muster the votes to pass an amendment.

1) What the tally board says doesn't always reflect the true vote. There is always some delay while it updates. Just because the tally board hadn't updated before the gavel fell doesn't mean that the Democrats did anything procedurally wrong. If you want to see examples of procedural chicanery try the time Delay held open a vote for an extra 30 minutes so he could arm twist moderate Republicans in the last Congress.

2) This ammendment, as I understand it, said that subsidies given to farmers through the Ag bill could not be used to pay for illegal immigrant wages. Illegals are NOT being given things for free. They are being paid below market wages for their labor still. This was just another example how much the Republican Party dislikes anyone who isn't rich and white.

I'm sure the neo-cons and dead end Republicans will continue p--s and moan about this for many days to come. The fact is that they didn't have the votes necessary to pass an ammendment and are now acting like a five year old who lost a playground argument. This will only get worse as they continue to get pasted in the next several eleciton cycles.

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Ann, Nashville, TN — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:46:33 GMT

Any company or business is only as good as its Owner or Leadership. So goes it with our Country. The problem with everyone from the top down, is that we have no leadership. Even if you do not agree with the Presidents policies, we should at least be able to respect him. But most of us do not anymore. The Dems do not trust the Administration and frankly why should they, there has been so many lies and it just seems to go on and on. The Repubs think the lies are ok because they are afraid of everything, especially the thought that the Dems are going to give to much to the poor and underprivilaged and then they will have to share or maybe end up poor themselves as a result of the Dems bad management skills.

VOTE FOR CHANGE IN THIS COMING ELECTION. Vote for the candiate that is not ridgid but will reach over to the other side and help heal our country. Right now I see our anger as our biggest problem. The Bush Administration has spent years and years pitting us against each other so they can do what they want seemingly unnoticed. Over the past 30 years I have voted Demo and Repub because I vote for the person.

I will vote for less fear next time and more healing.
The biggest army in the world will not save us if we can not get along with each other. I for one am tired of the fighting. I PRAY FOR A LEADER WHO CAN LEAD. What do you think?

PEACE

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Patrick WV — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 21:16:25 GMT

The loser in all this may be civility--that fading virtue. If all of us, politicians very definitely included, cannot agree to disagree with civility, the whole American enterprise may just degenerate into an expletive-trading version of talk radio. It did seem to me that the Republicans were the biggest whiners on the House floor last night--just the way it struck me. Whoever can restore civility to the debate of these very important issues--Iraq, immigration, infrastructure, the ag bills, etc.--will be making an important contribution.

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Gerry, Anchorage, Alaska — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 21:25:37 GMT

We should all be so proud. This particular debate has brought out the denizens of this board in all their partisan finery. People, the fact is, the guy screwed up with his gavel, period. I think the Repubs AND DEMOCRATS that supported the motion have a right to feel slighted. I still haven't seen a coherent defense of what happened in response to Lee Holmes' post (above). Wrong is wrong is wrong, regardless of whether it's red or blue. You can't scream about Republicans doing things in poor form (which they OH SO have) but then turn around, do it yourself, and say, "Well, I'm only doing what you did." Calling people to task for wrongdoings means requires taking the higher ground yourself.

Is this kindergarten? What a pty that we even have a debate about this. It's black and white, not red and blue. The screeching diatribes of HP, Kenn, Sierra and others is juvenile at best, stupid at worst. And juan, what's with that line about Chavez? What, have I fallen asleep somewhere, only to awake and find that the Bush admin is now friends with Hugo Boss? Please. This isn't Orwell's 1984. If you're going to spew foolishness, at least make it accurate.

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buzz — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 22:29:03 GMT

Skroom all.

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David Chilson, Lewisburg, TN. — Sat, 04 Aug 2007 02:48:46 GMT

What is really a shame here is we sit back and slam each other while the two parties’ debate whether to give are money to people here illegally, who’s the real fools here, and what will you tell you children when they ask why we set them up to be the losers?
We have lost all common sense in this country; I guess it’s time for someone else to take over…and they will.

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Joseph Rodrigues, Anchorage, Alaska — Sat, 04 Aug 2007 05:25:39 GMT

Ron Paul Leads Republicans in Web Traffic by a Whopping 45%!

If web traffic has any relevance in determining which candidate becomes the next US President, Ron Paul has just won....by a long shot.

A recent review by ClickZ.com has the Texas Republican representative with 45.38% of the overall market share, followed by Mitt Romney at a distant 13.93%. Ron Paul gained 6 percentage points over the previous week. Both Rudy Giuliani and John McCain lost around 4 percentage points.

Among the Democrats, Barack Obama continues to be a strong front runner, though he lost 6 percentage points following the CNN/YouTube Debate while Hillary Clinton at 24.14% gained nearly 5 percentage points.

Interestingly, Ron Paul has taken the lead from Obama among all web searches (Democrat and Republican) this week.

So who are the bottom feeders in both parties?

Bill Richardson and Chris Dodd barely have 2% of the overall market among Democrats while Tommy Thompson and Jim Gillmore lag far behind on the Republican side.

Web traffic also suggests that Mike Gravel was helped the most by the recent CNN/YouTube Debate. His web market share jumped from 1.50% to 8.15% following the debate.

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Randy, Hope Mills, NC — Sat, 04 Aug 2007 08:11:29 GMT

"Will the last person to leave Washington, please turn the lights out. " I thought they already were

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Utahreb, Veyo, UT — Sat, 04 Aug 2007 13:30:27 GMT

Seems like it is becoming a toss-up as to which party is doing a worse job in Congress. After 50 years of voting (over 40 as a registered Independent), I may not vote in the 2008 elections.

Disgusted with the Democrats' stance on promoting and catering to illegal aliens - disgusted with the Republicans' stance on the wars. Nothing in either party worth voting for and no viable candidate who seems to have the good of our country as a primary focus.

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Lex Pro, Sarasota, FL — Sat, 04 Aug 2007 17:54:23 GMT

US Congress (that is, US politics) lives for vendettas...no different from other primitive societies who kill each other to settle scores originating years (or centuries) ago...the only diff is we don't kill each other (yet) but we do everything else to destroy the "others". So much for thinking we are superior.

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Lee Holmes — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:27:58 GMT

Robert Catalano: You did not mention that BECHTELS largest campaign monies recipient is Nancy Pelosi[D-Ca] followed by Barbara Boxer[D-Ca,The Center for Responsive Politics at www.opensecrets.org].BECHTELS Iraq construction sub-contractor is the company owned by the husband of Dianne Feinstein[D-Ca],Richard Blum. BECHTEL is homeported in the city of San Francisco,which is also the political and financial epicenter of these three legislators ,all of whom are benefited by this companies largesse. [we may as well point out here that staunch Pelosi ally Riley Bechtel is a member of this dynasty].