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G Davis — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 01:33:09 GMT

"It's not enough to change political parties."

That's it in a nutshell...Hillary is polished, knowledgeable, as DC candidates should be...but that's the point of why local polls don't match with all you pundits and the national polls...

Folks are not stupid...their everyday lives are seeing horrific conditions just to survive, let alone achieve what was the American dream. The environment fostered by the status quo DCers is great for the investor class...the rest of us are wondering how much more milk will cost next week...

Get out of the DC bubble...listen to the voters.

For once, we outsiders have a very good crop of viable alternatives to choose from. The Queen is not the nominee just yet.

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Cathy P. Norris, Atlanta, Ga. — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 01:38:35 GMT

The loosers are the Republican Party, for sticking with the George Bush disaster. It's Hillary verses the loosers. hillaryclinton.com

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Allison Smitters, N.Y.,N.Y. — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 01:41:18 GMT

What a tough crowd, but Hillary won them over. This shows true strong leadrship. hillaryclinton.com

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Jeff, PA — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 01:41:24 GMT

obama's right - it's not enough to change political parties. We need to change D.C. From where I stand, Hillary will be more of the same - working on the margins, not reading NIEs and selling out the working men and women of America (the Clinton administration's second legacy is NAFTA; the first was not taking out bin Laden after the embassy bombings).

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Abe, Dayton, Ohio — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 01:45:22 GMT

Yes, the Clinton/Bush connection is pretty striking, eh?

Both will never specifically address a question. Both supported the war in Iraq. Both are beholden to big corporate agendas(and have received ringing endorsements from the propogandist-in-chief Rupert Murdoch). Both have supporters who fully believe they are above reproach, regardless of their past actions or policies. And both make very vague foreign policy proclamations so that they can have deniability later on when they do the exact opposite of what they promised to do.

I would say the similiarities are remarkable. Bush/Cheney-lite indeed.

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Bruce — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 01:50:11 GMT

Frankly, I don't see Chris Dodd as a water-carrier for anybody. In 2007, it's easy to throw a label like "Washington Old Guard" on someone who's served in the Senate for as long as Dodd has. What does "Old Guard" mean in his case? That he's not more qualified than the vaunted "top three"? Who makes Hillary/Obama/Edwards the top three anyway??? The pundits? A candidate's campaign bulldog who promotes promotes promotes on the TV screen? A look inside a candidate's checkbook?

Dodd makes a terrific candidate for President because he's seen it all. I'm sure one of the other fine folks running among the Democrats would make a good VP to work with him.

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FG, WASHINGTON, DC — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 01:51:56 GMT

A PRESIDENT SHOULDNT TELL PEOPLE WHAT THEY THINK????? AFTER BUSH WE DONT NEED ANOTHER PERSON WHO WONT LEVEL WITH THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. I AM NOT AN OBAMA FAN, I ACTUALLY LIKED CLINTON........BUT I SEE A HUGE MEDIA BIAS IN NOT COVERING THIS QUOTE THAT GOT MAJOR BOOS. PLEASE BE FAIR AND RAISE THE POINT ABOUT HILLSARY'S GAFFE THAT GOT BOOS.

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mikeeg,abdn,wa — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 01:57:56 GMT

The difference between these candidates and the repub candidates is like night and day, these candidtates all have positive can do vision of the future and the repubs have, well I dont know what the repubs have, basically darkness.

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Bruce — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 02:00:43 GMT

I suppose I'm going to have to learn how this blogging stuff operates, and where to find follow up comments/opinions and such.
In the meantime, you guys know where to find me.

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sonya, atlanta, ga — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 02:01:42 GMT

America isn't a cornation, it's a democracy, HRC has to get thru the primaries for the nomination. National polls are meaningless. Also, the media should be ashame of the mischaracterization of Obama's forgein policy speach. How many media types donated to HRC's campaign. Report the facts, that is why America's in going to down the tubes. The media was wrong with Iraqi and is wrong now.

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Beth, DC — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 02:03:01 GMT

I think it is very clear that there is a huge disconnect between what the media is seeing and what your average voters are seeing. I was watching with a group (not a drinking game, I swear!) and the results were pretty shocking. We had a number of undecideds (including me), a few hard cores for Obama and Clinton, a few who had slight leanings towards Clinton, and one Kucinich nut. The group overwhelmingly agreed that Obama won tonight, especially the debate about Pakistan. Even the hard cores for Hillary felt that there was a real problem with her response about not saying what your thinking when running for President. Not sure if he won votes tonight, but he impressed people. I'm still undecided, but I have to say I'm more likely to vote for him now than I was a few hours ago.

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Mark James, Dallas, TX — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 02:04:39 GMT

Hillary won again. Period.

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Dave McDaverdave, Davidson, WA — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 02:07:49 GMT

here again, i am amazed at msnbc's coverage of this debate. anyone who came away from that debate talking mostly about hillary clinton either wasn't watching the debate or is a paid operative of her campaign. she was booed heartily by the audience, several of her answers (particularly regarding the pakistan issue) were just plain awful, and several other contenders had much more impressive showings. those of you in the media need to take the blinders off.

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Shadow, Hamden, CT — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 02:14:20 GMT

She's playing right into the Obama campaign's hands with this tactic. It's already damaging enough for her that the main exchange of the campaign just ended with Obama getting cheered and Clinton getting BOOED. Those AFL-CIO voters are clearly representative of Democratic primary voters, and with Obama leading in Iowa, South Carolina, and tied for first in New Hampshire, this debate will in hindsight be viewed as a serious blow to the Clinton candidacy. She sounded downright authoritarian and scolding towards the audience in the tone of her "don't say what you think" answer, and American voters - whether Democrat, independent, or Republican - do NOT like that. Clinton's only consolation is that Biden's embarassingly booed performance where he offended the Sago mine widow might deflect a little bit of the heat from her - but not much.

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Dick Tracy, Fleetwood, PA — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 02:36:59 GMT

Hillary's "straight arm" plays directly into the article in today's Wall Street Journal at http://online.wsj.com/article_print/SB118645110306090056.html
She is following the Soviet Union's playbook again!

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MT, Denver, CO — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 02:40:39 GMT

Tactics - that is all that Hillary Clinton is about. We need a change from tactics to tact and honesty. As Obama says, we don't just need a change of political parties, we need a change of attitude.

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DC Insider — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 02:53:56 GMT

What do Democrats believe in? Their personal and party's political fortunes or fairness and equality for the little guy? See http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/06/AR2007080601161.html
There rhetoric doesn't match their actions.

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kerry C, disabled vet, Mckinney, TX and also a registered Democrat) — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 02:57:27 GMT

Clinton is a wus. She should have divorced Bill years ago, and shown what she was made of. Instead her aspirations for presidency were planned many many years ago, and nothing will get in her way.... even answering questions honestly, instead of politically correct for her presidential bid.

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D, MD — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 03:04:51 GMT

Hillary says Nukes should be off table in 2006 interview..now she thinks they shouldn't be discussed:

HUNT: Senator, you sit in the Armed Services Committee. There were reports this weekend, the ``Washington Post'' and elsewhere, that the United States is considering a military option against Iran if it won't relinquish any ambitions to nuclear weapons. The ``New Yorker'' even said that we're considering using nuclear – tactical nuclear weapons. Should those options be on the table when it comes to Iran?

CLINTON: Well, I have said publicly no option should be off the table, but I would certainly take nuclear weapons off the table. And this administration has been very willing to talk about using nuclear weapons in a way we haven't seen since the dawn of a nuclear age. I think that's a terrible mistake.

Secondly, when it comes to Iran I think the administration needs to engage in a process with Iran. They outsource this issue of whether Iran would go nuclear to the Europeans. I thought that was a mistake then. I've said it on numerous occasions since. We dealt with the Soviet Union, who had thousands of missiles on hair trigger alert pointed at us. I remember hiding under my desk – a little good that would do – when I was a child. But we lived with that threat and we never stopped negotiating and engaging in a process with our most implacable foe for decades, someone who had been a country, a system, that was dedicated to destroying us.

Click here: Lynn Sweet: Hillary Rodham Clinton: tells Bloomberg's Al Hunt, ``honestly, we've got to have a national conversati

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michele Smithe — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 03:29:33 GMT

did you say Edwards- Obana? I'll vote to that!

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pservelle, palm springs, ca — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 03:30:26 GMT

A Sex Change is Not Enough...
Americans know that there needs to be fundamental change in the ways things are in done in America.

Government must stop being run by high paid lobbyist who represent the most powerful special interest groups and instead must start being run by the electorate. Heath care must stop being run by a few mammoth insurance companies and a handful of pharmaceutical companies. Instead, universal health care must be made available to all. Foreign policy must stop being the private reserve of a handful of establishment so-called experts. The treatment of our environment cannot continue to be decided by the wishes of the oil companies.

For these fundamental changes to occur, it is essential to put a stop to "doing business as usual". For these fundamental changes to occur, it is essential to close the chapter on the Sr. Bush/Sr. Clinton/Jr. Bush dynasty. The very last thing America needs is a continuation of the dynasty with Jr. Clinton.

Yes it is necessary to break through the race/gender barrier to the Presidency. But a candidacy has to be more than that. It must be about fundamental changes in the way things are done in this country. That's why in the battle for fundamental changes, a sex change is not enough.

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911truthdotorg — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 03:44:02 GMT

If anyone but Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul gets elected, this country will cease to exist....All the rest will keep the status quo and not undo one thing that the bush crime family has perpetrated on the Constitution and this country....I'd love to see a Kucinich/Paul ticket, or vice versa....And that's assuming that bush doesn't pull off another "false flag terror attack" like 9/11, bomb Iran, declare martial law and cancel the election....The bush crime family was absolutely involved with 9/11....Please watch these Google videos: 9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition, America: Freedom to Fascism

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Brian L. Nolen, Danbury Texas, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 03:45:40 GMT

Hillary Clinton becoming president is the same mistake that Bush was becoming president. She is not qualified. She is a hypocrite. Her husband was a great president, the best in my lifetime. She is NO Bill Clinton. It is a shame that the media is helping her so much. I work overseas and travel. The rest of the world thinks shes a joke. I am from Texas and I never voted for that carpet bagging Bush. When are Americans going to wake up and put a person in office that we can respect and the world can respect. John Edwards seems to be the best the Democrats have to offer. I really thought Joe Biden was the best candidate until he said he was a zionist. The best candidate in the republican party is Ron Paul.
America wake up you elect Hillary Clinton and we are in for all kind of attacks because she is clueless.

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Ciara, American in Paris france — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 03:52:49 GMT

Is it me or did I see Hillary wink at Dodd during the exchange with Barack (Before she is asked to respond) Look at the full clip. tell me if I am wrong

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/08/07/afl-cio-democratic-forum-sparks-finally-fly-hillary-gets-booed/#comments

When Barack responds about Washington insiders with Biden, Billary and Dodd looking at him. They are really together to damage him..

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Phillipdcallaway Dodgecity ks — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 04:08:37 GMT

well its not how you play the game its when you play the political parties stance on the peoples choice and the tenur is know matter how you play you can please most of the people some of some of the people some of the time and all the people when you win

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Pfc Mark Andreason, Ft. Rich — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 05:10:28 GMT

Clinton has a habit of raising her voice loudER, loUDER, and LOUDER as her answer rambles on.

Maybe it was the heat, but she looked tired and her performance was lacking tonight.

I think Senator Obama hit tonight's debate out of the park. It was definitely HIS night!

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Andrew Roberts, San Diego, CA — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 05:34:06 GMT

Hilary Clinton is an idiot. She, like almost every other candidate cannot seem to understand simple rules like time limits. Every answer went WAY over the time limit, every answer was complex as to confuse the american people as to how she would solve the issue. If she simply would have said "Yes...this is how" she would have been okay. On the contrary she like almost every candidate makses answers complex and hides the reality of their answers that is simply they want to do this but dont really know how. All these candidate can do is moan and complain about how bad things are. For example one candidate said in response to terrorism, "We are more at risk now." Well for one, we are at risk or we are not. Their is no more or less. The fact is every country is at risk, and every country will always be at risk. We are at the same risk of being attacked as we were thirty years ago or even ten years ago. There will always be terrorism, there is not much we can do. Make if everyone was civil and happy with what they have then terror simply wouldnt exist, but as long as we have politics terrorism will always be there. I for one do not support any of the candidates on tonight.

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Yiannis, Baltimore. MD — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 05:44:44 GMT

Clinton is running to portray strength without actually taking a stand on controversial issues.

Obama needs to press her to take a stand not be defensive.

She endlessly panders, Bush-Cheney Lite.

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Yiannis, Baltimore, MD — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 06:13:45 GMT

The outsider image has about 40% of the democratic ticket. It's not enough for one candidate, let alone 2.

Obama MUST engage Clinton's unwillingness to commit on controversial issues.

Clinton: Trust me I'm experienced
Obama: Where do you stand?

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G Davis — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 07:50:25 GMT

Obama has it right. It would amuse me if it weren't so dangerous that all the *pundits* don't see the cry from this nation for REAL change...new innovative thoughts how to get this nation back to it's real strength of leading through example.

Did all the pundits miss the man that brought everyone to tears with his lack of health care question? He is the epitome of the condition for the vast majority of us that aren't the investor class.

Get out of the beltway and find out what America really believes.

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Johnny Kirsch, US citizen currently living abroad — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 08:11:19 GMT

This is what is wrong with politics today... It is not about responding to questions and developing firm positions on issues, it is more about destroying your opponent or the incumbant. What does that really tell us about the candidate?

I find the primary period quite laughable. The candidates spend months viciously attacking their fellow party members, only to warmly embrace two of them when the the party ticket is determined. Smacks largely of hypocrisy.

We have also become a political system based on straw polls, popularity and short-sighted policy. Whatever it takes to get elected... Whatever happened to conviction? If I elect someone, I want them to represent their positions and beliefs rather than to turn on a dime because a poll indicates their position is not popular during the current five-minute period.

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Mel Stricker, Riverview, Florida — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 08:57:13 GMT

This is getting old. Yeah, George is bad but the Dem. need to stop bashing him and start telling me what they are going to do if they are in the White House and control Congress. So far I have heard nothing. It would be nice if a blogger or reporter or someone would ask them what the Democrats stand FOR not what they are AGAINST. Tell me how they are going to fix what they think is broken and how much is this going to cost me in new taxes. I am willing to pay but tell me what I am paying for.

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Ramon Backwards — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:32:03 GMT

the story today is that the front runners were also-rans in this debate, for the first time. Richardson being the only exception, the lower tier candidates outperformed the leaders. As I understand it, Richardson is going to brang.... our people... together..... but the other low-tier guys were fired up and seemed to connect with the crowd better than Barack or Hillary, both of whom seemed tired and a bit weathered.

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Susan Schurman 1203 River View Dr Green Island NY 12183 — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:39:30 GMT

Hillary has tried to give the image she is "tough". Maybe if she got "tough" with Bill, many of these problems would not exist.

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MM — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:47:55 GMT

This is a common way politicians duck legitimate questions, and it is used on both sides of the aisle. Whenever someone poses a question about lies that got us into the phoney war in Iraq, the standard answer is " Clinton lied about Monica". The fact is that he did lie, but that should not let someone else off the hook as far as answering a legitimate question. This is a tactic little kids use when caught doing something wrong, "he did it first ! "

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Gerry, Sussex, WI — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:12:24 GMT

Who cares? The election is too far away for any of this to matter. In fact, the candidate that gets the most exposure will sound like a broken record when it matters.

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Class warrior, D.C. — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:44:44 GMT

Finally, Clinton seems to get it---don't fight the other Dems, beat the hell out of Bush. She's such a b**** that the attack dog thing works well for her. Go with your strong suit, Hil---don't whine that everyone is against you. Save that for the National election, when everyone WILL be tearing into you. A good start for her.

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JoeCHI, Chicago, IL — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:49:55 GMT

The adults in the group, Biden, Clinton, and Dodd, put Obama in timeout, thankfully!

As the recent polling suggests, they aren't the only ones taking issue with Obama's increasingly erratic foreign policy, military, and diplomatic musings.

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H P Boston — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:54:36 GMT

It was great to hear each and every candidate point to the disaster the bush administration.
Each one was forceful in their disdain for the way bush has lied us into war.
Biden was excellent.
Someone tell Obama Canada has a Prime Minister not a president.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:59:11 GMT

I loved the MSNBC coverage after the debate. The black people interviewed thought Obama won, Pat Buchanon thought Hillary won. EWverybody thought John Edwards should have taken his ball and gone home and I guess there was a brokered deal in the back between Biden and Clinton and Biden went after Obama. What a show (NOT).

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Noe Deal, Plainfield, NH — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:00:28 GMT

Yes, we all feel Hillary's stiff arm in our pockets, savings accounts, very private lives, and in her dangerous pathway for our children. Over my cold, dead body!

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STRAIGHT UP/AZ — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:01:20 GMT

The Shame, Washington Paper Hangers!

America ""Watched another side show"",,,It was all self serving. What "he would do" and what She would do"! The shame being America is again being sucked into the liar's nest.

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Paul Abbott — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:01:30 GMT

Hillary leaves them in the dust; she is the only Dem tough enough to take on the liars; best quote of debate and accurate "I've been fighting the right-wing machine for 15 years" If you've been in this country for the last 7 years you know it is not only enough but it is essential to change parties. Imagine thinking not being on the cover of Fortune magazine as a selling point for one's candidacy. On that basis I should be president. Obama and
Edwards, excellent men. Don't they remind you of Gore and Kerry, nice men that Bush and the right ate for breakfast and we suffered the consequences.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:17:39 GMT

And Hillary will be the midnight snack for the GOP!

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Delaware Republican — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:19:30 GMT

Senator Clinton is a hypocrite and will say anything to get nominated - just like her scum bag husband.

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Maureen — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:20:38 GMT

It's not "The Chris Matthews Show"; it's "The Hillary Clinton Show".

Great insight last night Chuck Todd.

Hillary is fortunate; she has her husband President Clinton to defend her, and if he's not around, she has Kerry, Biden & Chris Dodd to defend her. And she was WRONG on the Iraq War. They were ALL WRONG!!!! Her judgment is questionable to say the least.

Senator Obama needs to toughen up more. They are all going to gang up on him throughout this campaign. Hillary is the ultimate insider. It was obvious last night.

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John Doe, Raleigh, NC — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:21:51 GMT

What an impressive Cabinet that line-up of candidates would make. Mix-em, match-em, pick the candidate of your choice with ANY cabinet level office and you have a country that runs so much better than what we have today. Quite frankly, only one Republican candidate even strikes me as worthy of consideration of a cabinet-level position, much less the top chair, so yes, I think the Democratic Party has arrayed a most impressive slate from which to choose. However, would someone please ask Hillary what time it is, or what the weather is like so we can get at least ONE direct answer to a direct question from her? That is the most troubling thing about her candidacy to me, a long-time supporter of both the Clintons. To me, the more she side-steps, the more she ducks direct questions, and the more she "stiff-arms," the more she looks power hungry rather than statesman-like.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:22:45 GMT

F.G. - It wasn't a gaffe. A president shouldn't always say exactly what is on his or her mind. As Hillary pointed out, words have consequences. When you are the leader of the most powerful country in the world, you have to understand that. You can't say anything that pops into your head; you have to be deliberate in your speaking in order to avoid sending the wrong messages to the wrong people. You can say what you think, but you have to be responsible about how you say it and mindful of the consequences that may flow from your words.

This is not a gaffe - this is common sense.

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Jan, Nashua, NH — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:23:01 GMT

I'm a proud supporter of Senator Clinton. I find it amazing that fellow "Democrats" (I have my doubts) can be such Clinton Haters. Have any of you noticed that her support is actually GROWING? I guess that makes everyone but Clinton Haters just plain stupid?

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Susan, Miami — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:27:09 GMT

Hillary was awesome. Shes highly intelligent-opposite of George, shes tough(not a macho idiot), and actually cares about other people, also unlike out current moron of a leader. A Clinton/Obama ticket would be unbeatable. 8 yrs of Clinton and then when Obama is more seasoned, he can have it for another 8 yrs. Both would be fantastic.

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Ken Weaver New Plymouth, Idaho — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:27:24 GMT

So what's the surprise? Hilary's true colors are showing; a viscious pit bull, with a growl that can sound like a black southern baptist in a church. Remember her sudden change in accent when she was addressing black people? Hilary is everything to everyone...except honest. Has she ever answered a question? Has she ever worn a dress??? lol
God help us all if she is elected.

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MK,MO — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:36:57 GMT

hillary is a dishonest corporate owned wealthy elitist who has no intentions of helping the middle class, where the hell is her healthcare plan? the media pummels edwards plan which will actually work, at least he has a plan that everyone will benefit from, hillary is business as usual, why do you think big business backs her, she will not give a straight answer to any question, take a close look at who backs her, the same people that back giuliani, an administration under her will be no different than what we have now, a fascist regime ran by the lobbyist, if she gets nominated we are all doomed to business as usual, vote for change, hillary offers nothing, if you think she does please explain what it is she offers because I ain’t seeing it

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:37:37 GMT

Does anyone know where Clinton stands on anything?

Actually we do know a little, and she is impressive. She has been able to drag her Democratic supporters into defending Washington lobbyists and not answering questions about foreign policy.

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RH Oregon — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:41:32 GMT

Did she actually say she that because of nuke drills ' she remembers hiding under the desk'?
Finally she and Monica have something in common..
WhiteWater, TravelGate, CigarGate they won't go away..

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RH Oregon — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:46:46 GMT

Every answer was anti-Bush. Were does she think that nobody realizes that she is just more politics as usual? She may raise her skirt and run out of Iraq, but everything will still be politics as usual. If you truly want a change don't vote Hillery.
Bush1, Clinton1, Bush2, Clinton2... The song remains the same.
TravelGate, WhiteWater, CigarGate...
Now HilleryCare, HilleryHousing, HilleryHell...

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Chesseley, Raleigh, NC — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:53:36 GMT

The debate was interesting but I became irritated at the know-it-all tone of Chris Dodd, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton (who I might still vote for) The point that they still authorized the war and have not been the beacon of congressional success bites against this experience that they tought. I think Obama handled the pressure pretty well but he seemed to stumble over his words from time to time and Edwards just never said what his position was on anything except give America back to the people. Dennis really was on point at this debate but he is so far left he is touching the right (Keep in mind Pat Buchanan wants to end NAFTA and WTO as well) The polls mean little right now, at this time 2004 Kerry was running behind everyone from Howard Dean to Dick Gephardt so there is alot of room for movement between now and December. All in all, decent debate

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AParks Mt Prospect IL — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:56:10 GMT

I was not aware of the debate and stumbled onto it flipping channels. I was immediately drawn in by the rowdy audience and the candidates seemed to pick up on that and were much more animated than before. I was impressed by Obama's composure and his assertive stance on handling the Pakistan question. From the reaction of the crowd it was apparent that they were on his side. Then I watched some of the coverage after. I was expecting them to state the obvious. Obama came out on top because he held off the onslaught and got in a few jabs of his own. Instead the various media experts, including Chuck Todd, basically declared Clinton the winner again.

Apparently the media, instead of rationally discussing the candidates varying views in a substantive way and allowing people to choose for themselves, are doing everything possible to skeu the public view in Clinton's favor. They want her to win because the Clintons against the Republicans would be clash of the titans. The ultimate political drama. Obama's vision of a unified peaceful country doesn't play as well on the Tee Vee. These media pundits are the same people who distorted Al Gore's campaign and allowed outright lies to influence votes. It goes without saying that if the media had been more fair to the candidates in 2000 we might not be in the Bush dark ages right now.

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:57:35 GMT

RH - don't leave out that the "smartest woman in the world" actually bought Bill's line about how he was spending so much time with Monica because he was "ministering" to her.

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Alisha Thompson Texas — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:01:00 GMT

You media guys are certainly out of touch with the voters. We are tired of being taken for granted and having candidates shoved down our throats. It is obvious that you are all Hillary supporters. Who are you polling? I have never received a call;as a 46 year old African American female who has voted in every election since the age of 18, (surprised aren't you) I would have expected to receive a call by now.

Obama is clearly leading in fundraising, crowds, and volunteers. I guess that doesn't equal votes!

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:44:45 GMT

More of the same. I must really be missing something because honestly I just don't see all of this alleged butt-kissing going on with the MSM and Hillary. I admit, I did not watch the debate in its entirety, but the clips I saw did nothing to convince me that Obama is prepared to run this country. I think Hillary's comment about not saying what you think all the time was dead on; world leaders have a responsibility to speak carefully.

Strangely, the more Hillary pulls ahead in the national polls, the more people whine about the MSM handing her the nomination. Coincidence?

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jdoe boston ma — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:06:38 GMT

I propose to change entirely the american political system by forming at least 5 party system that we'll bring real democratic ideeas onto the american political landscape.The two party system is flawed and already smeared by corruption and corporate influences, money, lobbying and looks more like roman senate than a a 21st century political forum. Amerika ubber alles my dear fellow americans . God help us all.

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Bozly, Orange County Ca — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:18:21 GMT

Still astounded here that the media folks hand kudo's to Hilary and clamor she "won" the night and trying to actually figure if THEY are part of the "vast right winger" contingency or not in this uberized promotion of Hillary despite that others in the Dem field have much to offer and ordinary folks KNOW/REALIZE it. Found it intersting with Dodd, and for sure, see him carrying water--but he did so in the case of Liebermans retainment as well in Conn.in 2006 and look what that has wrought..should give some insight folks. Richardson is groveling, how many caught his comment that whoever is VP needs to be "ready"/capable of stepping into CIC spot should something or other occur...Bets are thinking that would be a HC/Richardson ticket..first woman, first hispanic to pander to those segments votes to get the prized titles. Think too many are hesitant regarding Obama due to race--just won't admit that indeed there yet remains a racist core in this nation and that makes folks afraid of his electiability no matter how appealing on the issues. Obama had it right on the ark regarding WE THE PEOPE DO NOT WANT NOR CAN WE AFFORD just a name/face/gender change, we do NOT want nor can we afford a Bush/Cheney lite for sure in these troubling times not in our foreign policies nor where our domestic issues are concerned and certainly not due to egregious enfringments of executive empowerment and CONSTITUTIONAL refinements that are NOT in our best intersts nor serving the greater common good of the people or the principles we THOUGHT were sacred !!!!

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kenn"Some things are best done and not talked about "O — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:27:56 GMT

YES BARACK THERE IS A GOD and if barack has been living in this country the last 20 years YES WE DO WANT TO "JUST" SWITCH PARTIES AND THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH<Oh and the next thing barack can use is bushs line we get bin laden DEAD OR ALIVE that quote looks rigodamndiculous now,just as saying if we can act in packistan we will,isnt that the bush doctrine anywhere anytime anyone we will attack when evere we feel threatened COWARD ,thought he was the antio war canidate turns out hes a war canidate afterall

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HMT-MI — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:53:38 GMT

Hillary was right---haven't we had enough of a president that just blabbers everything out that comes into his head?Axis of evil,bring em on.I'm the decider,mission accomplished,putin has a good heart I'm lookin through his eyes,Good job brownie,There are reams and reams of Bushisms.My favorite?Docs are havin a hard time makin love to their patients.UUUUGGGGHHHH.

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Bozly — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:13:38 GMT

Surprised at the UNDER estimating folks are allowing..Have no others caught the snips/wuips from the "righties" that GIVE HER SPACE and PROMOTE even ? SHE IS THEIR DREAM OPPOSITION, sure to rally THEIR base as well as others who do NOT swoon at all things Clintonian and frankly folks, many of us are NOT CLinton fans for a number of reasons and not the blathering ones such as Bill penchant for outside marriage vows...Sure good economic times in those years of HIS reign, but NOT all his doing and we rather DO know that and as for Hillary being THE most "expertised" in foreign affairs /executive decisons...get a reality check and examine that a bit more fully. She was FIRST LADY, and yes, has traveled to many countries but she did NOT formulate polcies. Her tenure as a one full term, now into second term Senator has been more of a nonstop "campaign" pandering all along in the quest for becoming the first female face to hold the CIC title. NOT GOOD ENOUGH for a mere gender change, and her experience/expertise has had her backing/allowing the transfer of powers that delivered to us the egregious quagmire which is Iraq and all the inherent consequencing that DOES need mitigating but she does NOT show even the propensity nor the AUTHENTICITY needed to accomplish such so we would continue with the SAME-O's running us further amuck !!!

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F StLouis — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:33:01 GMT

Hillary will be our next president. She's as tough as nails and smart too. The Clintons are very powerful and thats what we will need to go up against the lying, scumbag republicans. She will prevail.

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Richard, Washington State — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:43:50 GMT

Honest, folks, you've convinced me. There is no way I'm voting for George Bush this time!

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Richard, Washington State — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:20:20 GMT

I'm seeing the future in this blog. Hillary will be nominated and then a new party will be formed out of frustration. The third party will be the "Outsiders" and their party platform will consist of three planks: 1) "George Bush Is/Was an A******. 2)All Republicans are morons. 3)Hillary Clinton is a b****.

In their enthusiasm to change things the outsider candidate will garner 7-9% of the vote and we will have 1992 in reverse, except Rudy will get 47% instead of the 43% Bill got.

Hillary will get 45% and the outsiders will remain outsiders with 8% but they will make a statement and that's what counts. They will even call it a "victory".

Based on the anti-Hillary tone (on the part of Democrats)that permeates the blogs, I'm not sure everything will revert to "kumbaya" when she's nominated. It's way too early, but I'm beginning to feel better about 2008.

Hillary would still have an outside chance of becoming president by getting a majority of the electoral vote, but she would have to concede anyway because we know Democrats don't believe in winning by electoral votes.

Anyway, be careful Dems. This one is yours to lose and it's going to be fun watching you try.

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Mary — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:35:41 GMT

Leave Hillary alone. She will be the nominee so better get on board.

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Bozly — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:37:33 GMT

Hillary does NOT come off as AUTHENTIC, that point seems to escape a few too many, and the MSM is not exactly in tune with the general populace that find it so as well. Tuff as Nails? She is perservering, but she panders according to the audience and that is apparent as well. There are far fewer who are so willing to "settle" for such and know that we need someone far more capable. Trash Obama for speaking up in regard to acknowledging that IF there was "actionable intelligence" , he would not take any options off the table...LOL, Hillary has said the very same and caught her copting other Obama stances as well. Obama stated it well, for all her expertise,experience she DID vote to give that authoriztion to Bush and has never regretted it nor apologized let alone, admitted it as a major mistake that experience/expertise did not save her from so doing !!! If you are willing to allow MORE of the SAME-O's to helm, can see where you so willing to allow such as Hillary be your choice but it is NOT good enough for many of us nor would it prove to be a good choice for the nation !!!!

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Bozly — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:39:21 GMT

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Lisa Young, Charlotte NC — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:52:35 GMT

Don't worry everyone. Soon Hillary will be in charge, and you will never have to worry about health care, the government will pay for it; bankruptcy, the government will bail you out; war, Hillary will have Biden negotiate the terrorists away; the deficit, Clinton will take the money from the rich to pay off the deficit and the debt; global warming, all corporate factories will be shut down; hunger, Hillary will feed the poor; equality, we will all be equal in all ways; taxes, only the rich will pay, all others will not be taxed.

I for one cannot wait.

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Norm, Winnsboro SC — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:29:35 GMT

Curious, we argue that we want someone from outside the "beltway", we want someone who is willing to take a stand on principle, and we don't particularly care if they have the intelectual where-with-all to actually make the Country run.
Seems to me that's exactly what we have now.

I urge you all to take a close look at your local politicians,, all the way up the chain, town, County, State and Federal and ask one question: "Is this the best we can do?"
Re-elect no-one

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Bozly — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:39:25 GMT

LOL, yeah LY, sure is alot of yadda-yadda-ing and wishing ful "wantings" catered/pandered to as well. Have folks REALLY remained so easily manipulable ? Time will tell, the bells and whistles are sounding but HAVE folks really learned the harsh lessons with the examples of the Bushlerized years of reign witb all the various blunders, bumbles and bungles exposed and revealed or are they still sipping koolaid and wearing rose colored glasses while heads still stuck in the sandpits of reality....time will tell.

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cr, nj — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:42:45 GMT

I'm so sick of the press coverage of Clinton & Obama.
There are candidates on that stage that have 25+ years of both domestic and foreign policy experience and records of achievements and never get a chance to speak. The press manipulates every debate, every poll and every question.

8 years as First Lady doesn't qualify as experience to be president, 50 trips to foreign countries don't count as foreign policy achievements, and rookie senators (and that includes Ms. Clinton - she's a JR. SENATOR JUST LIKE OBAMA!)don't have what it takes to undo the damage done to this country.

Here's a novel idea - how about we actually have a real debate on the issues. No scripted questions (and that includes that ridiculous YouTube joke of a debate)and everyone has the same amount of time to answer it and each candidate gets to answer the same questions. No more directing which candidate gets to speak their robotic rehearsed answers!

I want answers. And Clinton's "we're not going to answer hypothetics" is not an answer. And that, to me does not constitue a winner in my book!

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KENN"I DIDNT GET YOUR RANK"O — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:58:28 GMT

Jerry was making the same predictions on NOV. 5 2006......remember jerry ........yeah karl says he has the math ........sounds like dare I say it MISSION ACCOMPLISHED midnight snack? how about yours and every other loyal lemming.

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Kenn"check yourself before you wreck yourself repub"O — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:02:17 GMT

oh delaware republican hows your team workin on values fred macain newti Rudi three wives .scumbag ?the only man out of the bunch who saved his marriage is the guy you call scumbag,makes you go um........

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King, Dallas, Texas — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:21:20 GMT

If Hillary wins the nomination, I am voting for Ron Paul. At least, he is honest.

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Urich — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:45:09 GMT

It's quite amazing that during the coverage after the debate msnbc did not mention Clinton being booed after chastising Obama on speaking his mind. This was the immediate reaction from the floor yet what the media would have us believe is that Clinton won

Go Obama!

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:46:19 GMT

Norm - It all sounds very familiar, doesn't it? Bush was supposed to bring a different feel to the White House - the cowboy from TX who would stand up for what he believed in no matter who disagreed with him. He seemed like such a nice guy, didn't he? Someone the average American could relate to...could sit down and have a beer (er, soda) with at the end of a long day.

Be careful what you wish for.

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Lisa Young, Charlotte NC — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 21:55:16 GMT

Bozly babbles:LOL, yeah LY, sure is alot of yadda-yadda-ing and wishing ful "wantings" catered/pandered to as well. Have folks REALLY remained so easily manipulable ? Time will tell, the bells and whistles are sounding but HAVE folks really learned the harsh lessons with the examples of the Bushlerized years of reign witb all the various blunders, bumbles and bungles exposed and revealed or are they still sipping koolaid and wearing rose colored glasses while heads still stuck in the sandpits of reality....time will tell.

Pay attention everyone. This why you should never, ever use a random word generator.

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D'Souza — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 05:39:01 GMT

I have yet to see Hillary bring up any issues by herself. Obama on the otherhand is not afraid to answer and discuss the issues brought up by the people. Hillary listens to what Obama says goes back to her dig to do a small poll and find out what people would like to hear, and then spits out what the poll thinks is the right answer. This is no way to run a country. Under Hillary, lobbyists, Bubba and other pundits who do the polling will be running the country. They will run it to the ground.

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Jeff Morgan, Austin, TX — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 05:55:41 GMT

"Leave Hillary alone. She will be the nominee so better get on board." I don't mean offense, but Mary, is that what you tell yourself?

HMT: "Hillary was right---haven't we had enough of a president that just blabbers everything out that comes into his head?Axis of evil,bring em on."

It might surprise you to know that "Axis of evil" was a very intentional, crafted phrase by David Frum, former Bush speechwriter.

Jan, Nashua, NH: "Have any of you noticed that her support is actually GROWING? I guess that makes everyone but Clinton Haters just plain stupid?"

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/daily_presidential_tracking_poll__1
Perhaps this is a blip, or perhaps not.

When she rolls out comprehensive policy speeches, she will open herself to attack and may not enjoy her position now afforded by not taking a stand on issues.