Dem reactions to Bush's speech

HMT-MI — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:28:53 GMT

You forgot to print that Kerry called Bush"ignorant"also.He hit it right just like when he said the republicans were lying crooks,offf mike.This administration just never learns---everyday,every week another sleazy tale to tell.

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bb — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:31:46 GMT

Way to go Hillary and Obama! They are both correct-we need to start withdrawal now.

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Jackie Aspen, Detroit, Mi. — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:31:48 GMT

Thank you Senator Clinton, for talking "common sence". hillaryclinton.com

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nuanced — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:32:54 GMT

I'd love to hear which of the Republican candidates get behind that load of malarky. If the media will push them on it. We deserve to know so the voters will know that there is a real difference, a real choice, with real and deadly consequences.

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The American people — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:35:20 GMT

Karl Rove is a fundamentaly "flawed" person.

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Connie, Tn. — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:37:32 GMT

The only one who don't get it is Bush. Give me a flip-flopper any day over sombody who won't change their mind when the course of action is wrong.

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Steve, San Diego — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:37:38 GMT

Not only is his analogy short and incorrect, it is embarrasing. I cannot stand W. But for heaven's sake will somebody stop him from further embarrasment to our great country?

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ROGER V. EVANS, DALLAS, TX. — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:38:23 GMT

CLINTON, OBAMA, AND BIDEN ALL SPEEK THE "TRUTH". WE NEED TO GET THE "HELL" OUT OF THIS NIGHTMARE NOW.

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Curt, New Jersey — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:41:50 GMT

This was printed in The Onion back in June.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/bush_maybe_u_s_military_just_not

Why have I not seen anything on this before? Lt. Col. Bob Bateman posted a link to it today in Altercation.

http://mediamatters.org/altercation/?f=h_column

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GOD — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:46:29 GMT

Lest there was ever any doubt about the value of being a legacy in obtaining an Ivy League diploma, George W. Bush should answer that question in spades.

For a man that supposedly enjoys reading history, you have to admire Bush, and his ability to completely miss the irony of his own ignorance. It would appear that he wants our country to stay in Iraq until we have a second memorial, complete with another 58,000 names etched on it - just to prove that neither Vietnam or Iraq was really a mistake.

At this point, I don't personally care if Iraq descends into chaos and complete civil war. Historically speaking, that is actually a part of the process of becoming a nation.

Regardless of what version of reality the MOTUS (Moron of the United States) chooses to embrace, I am not willing to sacrifice even one more American soldier - much less another 55,000 - on the altar of stupidity.

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jt, okc — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:48:18 GMT

Clinton is all over the place on the Iraq debate. She wants to be both pro-war and anti-war. It won't work that way missy.
It's sad that the democrats are counting on failure in Iraq. It just seems like they're so intent on failing this so they can win political points at the expense of our embarrasment and more chaos in the middle east. If we pull out quickly as possible like clinton and others are suggesting, we should just ban the US from fighting wars in the future because we just suck at being patient. We're just a fast-food nation that wants everything to be pretty in 2 seconds.. This war isn't a military war, its a media and information war. The terrorists are winning that front, and the democrats are helping us lose it.

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Manny Ramon — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:49:33 GMT

Democratic response to Bush's speech to the VFW?

Let me guess. They threw rose pedals at his feet and wildly cheered him?

Why do you guys even bother to write stories like this?

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:51:19 GMT

I'm glad to see the Democrats agree that the war in Iraq needs to end.
Here's a quarter Dem's...buy a clue;
(hint, hint, hint...DO NOT APPROVE ANYMORE FUNDS IN SEPTEMBER, AND THEY WILL HAVE TO END THE WAR!)
I hear a lot of rhetoric coming from my Democratic leadership. People I respect and trust.
The question then becomes; do they have the chutzpa to back up their talk with solid action?
I sure as hell hope so!
Cut the funding, end the war. It's as simple as that.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:51:20 GMT

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Marty Jones, Mesa, Az — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:51:24 GMT

A helluva speech. I'm not surprised about the Dems' reaction, but it'll win over a lot of independents like me.

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Patriot, USA — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:51:57 GMT

Bush is a liar. No one listens to a thing he says anymore; well just a few chickenhawks in Tn and Texas. Well, Chickenhawkks, if it's so important, why aren't you there?

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Gary Schear, Bozeman Montana — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:54:09 GMT

They forgot the part about how this debacle is the responsibility of one man. They forgot to say how the grief and misery that it has caused needs to be hung around Bushes neck and fastened eternally with heavy chains and locks. So heavy that his back and his soul are bowed with the weight of the needless carnage of an unnecessary war and the carnage that will come from our distraction from the real War and the enemy on vacation in Pakistan. They forgot to mention that the only remaining use for George Bush and his only chance at redemption is his role as a Jacob Marley to future Presidents that wake up sobbing in a cold sweat from the nightmare of his warning.

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withheld — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:01:36 GMT

VietNam was also a mistake. At least we got out of there when we realized we would not "win." We aren't going to win in the Middle East either but this administration is too stupid to acknowledge it.
It chose to get into this war with flawed reasoining and now only it knows what it hopes to achieve.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:08:01 GMT

Kerry's statement was pretty funny. Sour grapes and a little hypocritical. Typical liberal responses. I see the new gallop poll at Bush at 32% and the pelosi/Reed congress is at 18%. Gotta love them liberals. Last time Kerry took on Bush, it didn't go too well for him. Better wait until he leaves office Kerry before you decide to take the President on again.

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Class Warrior, D.C. — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:14:19 GMT

They're all right, especially Kerry. For a man who spent so much time and energy weaseling out of the Vietnam War, Bush sure has a short memory of it; the war was lost from TEt onward, and even Johnson knew it, though Nixxon was more delusional abovut it---but not nearly as delusional as Bush. He's choosing the one subject---a war he has virtually re-created in the twenty-first century---he should never have even touched as an analogy. I suppose that, since he got to prance around in some weird costume in Ho Chi Minh City, that made the 58,000 dead sleep better, and he no doubt thinks it'll all work out in the end in Iraq, too.

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PJ — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:18:50 GMT

John Kerry told the truth about Viet Nam and got called a coward for it, when he has more guts than our great president who slithered his way out of service. Now GWB dares to attempt to justify Iraq with some sleezy comparison to Viet Nam??? Please, anyone still gullible enough to believe a word George says, WAKE UP!!!He's a LIAR!!!

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:23:18 GMT

I'd be interested in knowing what the Republicans have to say about Bush's comments as well.

If that is Bush's premise - that Iraqis will rally around a strong central government - I'm not sure that it is fundamentally flawed. The problem is, there is not a strong central government to rally around, and it doesn't appear that there will be one anytime soon. How many years has it been since they held their first election? And how exactly are you supposed to rally around a government that goes on vacation for over a month when their country is this much of a mess? How strong can a central government that doesn't want to govern in times of crisis even be?

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Jackson, Houston — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:24:16 GMT

He didnt say Bushwas ignorant. Stop trying to twist things to suit you.

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Sierra, San Francisco — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:26:01 GMT

HMT:
Granted, John Kerry served heroically in Viet Name........ unlike chicken hawks Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perl .....

But, Please !! Let's not have Kerry as a spokesman for the Democrats !
The Presidential candidates are better, Reid and Durbin also do great jobs !!

Please, go away John Kerry

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Robert Holland, Cuyahoga Falls, OH — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:27:17 GMT

By Bush's logic in his speech today, The US failed by not invading and occupying Cambodia. History eludes him. Robert McNamara excused himself for being ignorant of history. All he had to have done was read Bernard Fall on Dien Bien Phu. And learned from it. Same for Bush. All that "education" and somehow George got left behind. Too bad his did not go to Vietnam and learn firsthand.

He also said today that South Korean troops "stand shoulder to shoulder" with us in Iraq and Afghanistan. He did not mention that South Korea has lost a total of two(2)troops in combat and has reaffirmed its decision to withdraw all troops by end of 2007. Shoulder to shoulder indeed.

And he said "we are in the early days" of this war. Make that "early years"?

It was also interesting to see the part of the entertainment before the formal speech, when he warmed up the crowd of veterans with a cascade of flattery, flag waving, and empty promises of everything they might possibly hope for. It was a campaign speech, for cry-eye!

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Sue Filutze, Idaho Falls, Id. — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:27:41 GMT

Well, so now were all in agreement Bush is deranged, now can we please impeach this bunch before we lose another almost 4,000. soldiers?

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A. Strum — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:37:29 GMT

The Bush administration's pants are way down, their cover is way blown! They dare to use war to further their oil greed and personal profit at the expense of our soldiers. This pathetic administration continues to be the most lacking in historical perspective in our nation's history, failing to learn even one little lesson from the past. Now, the not so far off from reality cartoon "Lil Bush" gives those who never voted for these turkeys the last laugh. Watch it and weep Cheney! Your portryal is almost as hillariouly accurate as that of President Bush and his family. What a great country this still is!

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H P Boston — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:39:47 GMT

When are we going to pick up the hammer and get to work?
It is time for Congress to act on ending this disaster. We must dethrone the king of war.
Bush is a killer and a psychopath.
He needs to be stopped!
Start bring the troops home now!

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Nat, DC — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:49:29 GMT

Typical Hillary...when she is standing in front of the VFW 'its working', when she's out on the stump, its all get them out today.

This woman has no principal, backbone or integrity. Whatever way the wind is blowing.

Her supporters on this site complain about what people say about her. It is nothing compared to the video', and links they will play if she wins the primary. True or false right or wrong everthing that happen in 92-2000 will be brought up again, to question her judgement and integrity. The MSM has pretty much given her a pass so far on hard questions about her past. Don't expect that to happen in the GE. This woman is a walking store house of information.

-healthcare...only job she had in Clinton admin failed horribly

-pictures now of her saying 'its working"

-Vince foster

-Women will love shots of her tammy Winnett "stand by your man' video

-allegations true or false that she was involved in interrogating Bill's girlfriends

on and on and on. So democrats if you don't like hearing it now are you going to like it any better later.

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PuddleDuck in SC — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:19:35 GMT

Republicans - please use this thread to support your failed president and to bash Hillary and any other democrats.

Follow the rules! When you can't win the argument, change the subject (See Nat's post for a good example).

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JOHNNY WALKER JR. — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:23:03 GMT

I STILL SAY GEORGE BUSH IS A "FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED" PRESIDENT. CAUSE HE'S FRIGHIN NUTS !

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Tom Carrington, Los Angeles, CA — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:25:21 GMT

I agree with Hillary and the other boys -- We need a plan for Iraq - Something Bush never understood with his frat boy intelligence.

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Doug, San Diego CA — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:31:35 GMT

Jerry, Bush was a chickenhawk like you. Daddy swung him a stateside gig in the TX Air National Guard to keep him out of Nam. Some poor and undoubtedly better qualified kid got bumped off that waiting list so the shrub could stay home. The sheer arrogance of him even mentioning that war just astonishes me. People who are too cowardly to fight the wars they support disgust me no end. They tuck their tails between their legs and run crying off, while the real Americans fight and die for them. Your president is absolutely beneath contempt.

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J. MARTIN, KINGSTON, PA. — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:31:50 GMT

WHATELSE IS THERE TO SAY? BUSH AND HIS CROWD OF KOOL-AID DRINKERS ARE THE MOST INCOMPETENT AND WORST OF ALL NON-CARING INDIVIDUALS THAT EVER OCCUPIED THE WHITE HOUSE. THEY CARRY ON AS IF SOLDIERS ARE NOT DYING EVERYDAY IN IRAQ. BUSH IS HAVING A GOOD TIME RULING AS IF HE WERE KING. I HOPE THE VOTING PUBLIC WILL VOTE ON COMPETENCE AND INTELLIGENCE, NOT ON WHETHER THEY WANT TO SIT AND HAVE A BEER WITH THIS PERSON. I WANT A SMART AND CARING PERSON. ROVE ON ALL OF THE WEEKEND NEWS SHOWS HAS BRAGGED AND SHOW JUST HOW HE JUDGES HIMSELF. NOT ON EFFECTIVENESS IN POLICIES, BUT HOW STUBBORN AND UN-MOVING BUSH IS. HE WILL HAVE A GOOD TIME IN RETIREMENT. WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN, HUSBANDS, WIVES, PARENTS OF THE SOLDIERS THAT HAVE DIED FOR THEIR MISADVENTURES??
IT IT VERY SAD.

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Chuck, NY — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:36:14 GMT

Once again Jerry you got your numbers wrong you moron. Tell the truth about Congress' numbers. It is true the Dems have low numbers in Congress, but it is the obsrtuctionist repugs who have the lower numbers and are causing this. Can't blame this on the libs Jerry. An a whole, the country is more staisfied with the Dem leadership in Congress that W in the WH.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:41:57 GMT

".....Kerry's statement was pretty funny. Sour grapes and a little hypocritical. Typical liberal responses. I see the new gallop poll at Bush at 32% and the pelosi/Reed congress is at 18%. Gotta love them liberals. Last time Kerry took on Bush, it didn't go too well for him. Better wait until he leaves office Kerry before you decide to take the President on again.
jerry/corpus christi texas (Sent Wednesday, August 22, 2007 3:08 PM)....."

Ah, jerry; if Bush and Cheney believe that Vietnam was a worthy cause, then why did they both do as much as they could to avoid serving there? How dare he invoke a war that he himself wouldn't fight in!
Secondly, congress is made up of BOTH republiCANTS and Democrats. That 18% (if it's true, which we don't really know because you lie so frequently) is for the ENTIRE congress. It's not just for one side or the other. It's probably because the Democrats were elected to stop the war, and republiCANTS obstructed them from doing it.
Lastly....and this is the funny part.....you think Bush's approval rating of 32% is "good?"
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
Clinton's approval ratings, even during the impeachment process, were above 68%.
Dude, get a grip! You're losing it!
.....and you still havent told me what Mitt "The Squirrel Hunter" Romney, or "Rappin' Rudy 'G' The Gigolo of The G.O.P." have done to deserve to be President.
I'm waiting for an answer jerry. A REAL answer, not some "make it up as you go along" garbage.

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Steve A. Jonesboro IN — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:43:41 GMT

No matter how anyone spins it, John Kerry is exactly right. Now if the Dem congress will actually have the balls and spine to do something about it is the big question. I hope I'm wrong, but I figure after the Sept. report (which will be what the ignorant cowboy wants it to say) the dems will come out with a bunch of huffing and puffing and hot air, then roll over and give this god forsaken moron what he wants-something like-they will put "non binding" restrictions on what this idiot can do-which meand he will do whatever he wants without consequenses. I hate to say it, but I am very disapointed with the dem congress. It's really no different now than it was when the repubs ran the dog and pony show.

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GAB,Austin, TX — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:44:16 GMT

Middle Eastern countries don't have a history of allegiance to a strong central government. Iraq is made up of tribes bound by their blood relatives. Fifty percent of Iraqis marry their cousins to stay within their tribe. Their allegiance first and foremost is to their tribe, second is to their brand of Islam (sunni or shiite) and third to their country.
They are never going to get along unless they have another ruthless dictator or they are allowed to fight it out amongst themselves. After all, it IS their country...or do we start calling it "Little America."

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John Doe, USA — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:46:29 GMT

Whether we leave Iraq now, or 10yrs from now, that country will eventually descend into chaos and civil war.

For Bush to compare this current conflict to the tragedies of East Asia exposes his sheer lack of intellectual prowess. Bush has a distorted view of history.

It's tragic that he is so willing to sacrifice our sons and daughters to achieve nothing more than the ultimate failure.

Maybe he would reconsider his stand if his daughter was heading to the front lines instead of the alter.

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Sandra Brown Valencia, California — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:47:02 GMT

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Don, San Diego, CA — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:50:50 GMT

Time to cut-off funding for this moron.

The Billions of Dollars spent in Iraq would have gone a long way to creating real security for our country.

If you support our troops, then cut-off the money and bring them home!!

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Sam — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:53:29 GMT

And Bush would know what exactly about Vietnam? He did everything he could to avoid serving in Vietnam. He and Cheney both have invoked Vietnam and neither of them have served. Its one thing to send other people to fight a war and fighting in one yourself.

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juan,ft lauderdale,fl — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:02:08 GMT

Vietnam vs Iraq analogy.........Jeez it this the best the neocons can come up with to feed the Shrub? Did these people fail History class or what? That is right I forgot....Rove never went to college he was too busy being a sleazy operative for the Republicans gearing up for Watergate and secret wiretapping of others.

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Elizabeth — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:03:04 GMT

How dare that dirty scumbag cite the now-second biggest foreign policy blunder in our nation's history, Vietnam (first place: Iraq). This is coming from the same spineless turd who hid in daddy's pockets during the Vietnam war. He and Cheney have been lying and abusing our fine soldiers en masse, along with every other person in this country and the entire world. Shut up about Hilary and Kerry and anyone else -- this is about Bush and Cheney. Stop deflecting and throwing up smoke bombs. Don't be so simple and short-sighted. Unless you've been on the streets of Baghdad fighting for your life -- unless you've seen the devastation that this criminal, ILLEGAL war is bringing to our soldiers and innocent civilians on a daily basis, you shouldn't whisper one PEEP of support for those two. There's no other way to slice it. Bush and Cheney should both be impeached and then tried for war crimes.

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Steve, Louisville Ky — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:03:44 GMT

How George Bush and Bill Clinton can even mention Vietnam in a sentence is garbage, both are cowards and liars. Both avoided serving in Vietnam. and even Bill clinton, and Albright believed there were WMDS in Iraq when there weren't. The Bushes and Clintons and all Liars. Obama can and will win the election, adn even if the media, NBC, CBS, And ABC, think Obama's wife Michelle was not talking about Hillary yesterday then they are fools too. Bet this won't get posted...Give em hell Obama

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Lol Vern — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:03:45 GMT

I'm glad to see the Democrats agree that the war in Iraq needs to end.

Everyone agrees it needs to end. At issue is what state Iraq is will be left in. See Rep. Brain Baird for details on how one Democrat feels about what should be done.

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John, Kalamazoo MI — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:04:03 GMT

The only candidate that will pull all troops out imediatly is Richardson. I think an immediate withdrawl is not only irresponsible but dangerous. We as democrats need to (like always) fix the problems of republicans. If we leave Iraq to the religous fundamentalists to slaughter secular groups we will continue our downward slide of public oppinion

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Dave, Tn — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:11:55 GMT

These same idiots will be all to willing to send troops every where and any where the next time the UN pulls up short on it's threats. AGAIN!!! I could go for the total Isolationist deal, but let's do it right and stop playing games. Throw the UN out, and stop using it as a group excuse for not doing anything.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:12:44 GMT

Hillary NEVER said the surge is working. She said, and OBAMA even agreed, that there have been successes in some areas. Why do I not see people castigating him for his comment that some good is being done in Iraq with the increase of troops? Oh, I forgot - because we love Obama and we hate Hillary, no matter how hypocritical we end up looking. Give me a break.

Sierra - Do you always advocate not allowing someone, particularly a United States Senator, not being able to speak on issues of national importance? More importantly, do you not think it proper for a Vietnam veteran to speak to the comparisons being made between that war and the present war?

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Ashe, SF CA — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:13:54 GMT

Sen. Obama is the only candidate to offer an honest assessment of the troubles in Iraq. Yesterday, in front of a Republican-leaning VFW crowd he reiterated the need to end the Iraq war...knowing it will not garner him any votes. That is true leadership. I'm frankly confused with Sen. Clinton's position on the Iraq war. One day she's a hawk. One day she's a dove. One day the surge is working. One day the war is a failure. How can one end a war when one is not sure if it's working or not working? Her comments yesterday gave Pres. Bush the red meat he's looking for on this subject.

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CD,NC — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:25:59 GMT

Carrie...she said the new Tactic is working. What is the new tactic the "SURGE".

She is the one that said "words matter"

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Lance, Oakland CA — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:33:08 GMT

Yes, I was wondering if anyone else remembered just yesterday Senator Clinton telling us how the surge is working..... she does seem to be having trouble deciding which way to have it. Senator Obama on the other hand is absolutely realistic in his take on this: We should have never been there in the first place, period. However, now that we are we have to withdraw in a phased and intelligent way, all the while pushing hard for the Iraqis to solve their own political problems. I won't waste bandwidth on Bush.

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Sandra Brown Valencia, California — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:37:48 GMT

The Bush bashers are at it again. They have their chicken clucking blogs of "get out now". I'm so glad these idoits weren't around during WWII or we would all be speaking German because they would rather wave the white flag than fight terrorism but they'll be the first to complain and throw blame again at Bush when all the men are wearing tubans and all the women are wearing black sheets covering every inch of our bodies. We are not fighting The Iraqi government or the Iragi Army, we are fighting terrorist which part of this does the Damnocrats not understand? (I purposly spelled that word the way I did).

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Lyn, MD — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:39:35 GMT

Obama takes anti-war stance to war veterans
KANSAS CITY, Missouri (Reuters) - Sen. Barack Obama on Tuesday told U.S. military veterans who largely back the war in Iraq that he is committed to pulling the troops out -- something his Democratic presidential rival, Sen. Hillary Clinton, played down when she spoke to the group earlier.

She panders to who ever she is speaking to at the time.
Now she yelling get them out but she didn't have the courage to say it in front of the VFW group

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Vickie C Blaine Mn — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:50:09 GMT

Wonder who wrote that report for Bush.....he couldn't even say half the words....I doubt very much he understood it or is he really that idiotic to think that any of us would believe that or anything he had to say......Ride it out and get out cowboy

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Larry, MD — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:55:03 GMT

Obama = Hillary - baggage from her husband

Go Obama!

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vanreuter, NY NY — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:15:05 GMT

It seems that the Obama-nation can't say anything positive about their choice anywhere without also bashing the probable nominee. Why isn't the opposite also true?

Van

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Ron, OKC, USA — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:21:11 GMT

What a scoop! The dem’s disagree with Bush who says we should stay the course in his illegitimate war no matter the cost. You gotta hand it to Dubya for never shying away from beating a dead horse. The dem’s should pull the funds and get us the hell out. Sadly, all our brave troops are doing is delaying the inevitable. Let the Iraqis find their own equilibrium. Sorry for the mess, but until the Iraqi leaders are ready to compromise and effectively govern their people, our soldiers should not be dying to keep them from kill each other. Political courage, not military power is the only solution. Oh, and the only thing the Vietnam and Iraq wars have in common is that no Bush fought in either. Dubya is a coward and a liar who should be impeached.

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Bill Owens, Hobart IN — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:30:42 GMT

You mindless drone Democrats just don't get Hillary do you? You want her to be the next President so bad that you don't really pay much attention to the content of what she is saying. When she says something you like, you're right there cheering her on. When she says something you don't agree with, you're right there making excuses and dissecting what she said down to the point where it no longer has any meaning.

Hillary knows you all are thinking that way. That's why she can get away with taking both sides of every issue. She'll mush-mouth everything because she knows her rabid fans will glorify the stuff they agree with her on, and wave off the stuff they don't agree with her on.

You'd think you guys would catch on at some point.

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Pinnaclesyst — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:38:17 GMT

He is an idiot making such a stupid comparison to Vietnam. Vietnam War was a failure for America. NO WAR SHOULD BE PRAISED. I don't know how American would elect such a fool to be their president. Life are continue to lose without seeing a clear picture of success. On the other hand, never mind of success there is not any if there is one. Yes, history will judge you idiot, Mr. Brush!

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Mark Y; Westlake Village, CA — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:44:10 GMT

Sandra Brown (or is that jerry again),
so what part of the war in Iraq is going well? even bush himself said back in June 2007 the military was the reason for the failure in Iraq (see Curt-NJ post today at 2:41 pm for source). You seem to have woken up after a 6 year slumber...terrorists are in Iraq because we are there; al Queda was not in Iraq prior to our invasion of a sovereign nation, and the Dems do understand that part (obviously you do not). And historically, we would be speaking Japanese, not German, since Japan attacked us on 12/7/1941. Typical of a bushie to mistake one country for another. Also, it is "turban", not tuban. My biggest complaint is that we did not get bin Laden when we had a chance because we went into Iraq. Time and o3600 American casualties show bush was wrong.

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Ashe, SF CA — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:03:27 GMT

It's arrogant of the Clinton campaign to claim the status of nominee. The primaries are 5 months away- a lifetime in politics.

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BARBARA — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:14:07 GMT

GEORGE BUSH...WHAT EVER ?

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Richard, Washington State — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:29:39 GMT

Go Hillary! You ma girl!

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juan,ft lauderdale,fl — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:52:53 GMT

Sandra Brown- A new kool-aid drinker added to mix. You could send if you like your child/grandchild to to be killed in Iraq all in the name of lies for HEAD CHICKENHAWK who still has 17 months to destroy this once great country some more. Your idiotic comparison to Germany during WW2 is par for the course for the ignorant masses like yourself.....Get the facts straight before you spouse your nonsense.

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David Winmill, Ogden, Utah — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:57:40 GMT

Bush's trying to justify our present situation with what happened in Vietnam is to pardon a pun, so "Bush" league. What a joke!

A school mate of George Dubya's commented on George's single-mindedness and tenacity. As an example, his friend noted that George would play a pin ball machine all night until he could win one game. Doesn't sound like George has changed his methods at all. Only now he is playing on the taxpayers quarter and the lives of other people's children.

Two wrongs don't make a right and neither does a third wrong. Our reasons for going to war (in Iraq) were wrong, the execution of the war has been wrong and our reasons for staying are still wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong. It is time to cut our losses,optimize diplomatic and humanitarian efforts and bring our troops home.

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Lawrence Miller — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:23:35 GMT

>>Larry MD - Obama = Hillary - baggage from her husband

Hillary smoked crack?

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Steven Penney, DuPont, Washington — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:32:58 GMT

Gad! Remember Bush was once an alcoholic / addict (cocaine)in his college day and still to this day won't admit it openly and honestly which to me is he is still in denial. My definatin of denial is this,"it is the failure to recognizes that ther is a problem. He still demonstrate that in his policy, a failure. He is still not a recovering alcoholic / addict with what his character defects in his management styles. Too much secrets in his White House. My defination of powerlessness is that it is a loss of control over amount and episode. My defination of unmamageability is that it is a negative consequences as a result of loss of control. Basically Bush is not,in my view, a recovering alcoholic / addict in light of his bringing our country too much negative consequences as a result of his powerlessness over his power as a President of our country.He lacks honesty and transparency. He needs to start get honest w/ himself and with us that he is out of control. I have no respect for him, VP Cheney, Atty General Gonzales, and Rove. Thank Goodness Rove is leaving as he made a big mess for our country. I cannot wait for Bush to be done with his time. It is time for our country to be back in recovery and reclaim our creditibilty with the world for what we stand for

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kenn"they talks the talk but cant walk the walk in a soldiers shoes"O — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:35:20 GMT

you want to know why we lost a police action in vietnam started by a demo ended by a repub read col hackworths book about face as he stated once he met the enemy and saw how determined they were to kick us out he knew it was a matter of time to bad it took 58000 deaths to get out now bush is saying we should have stayed longer but he didnt want to go just some poor kid defending rich kids and thier deferrments

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Gary Schear, Bozeman Montana — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:38:27 GMT

vanreuter, NY NY -- The opposite is true. I have seen plenty of candidate bashing on both sides. Most of it following the talking points of the respective campaigns. For you to claim sainthood for the Clinton campaign in this area is disingenuous, self serving and rather puzzling in that it is so easily disproved. But as we have learned from Mr. Rove, throw anything that you have or can make up, some of it will stick. What doesnt stick remains in the public subconscious as a useful meme to be nurtured and fed and activated when needed. Did you guys hire Karl? You both have a vested interest in getting Hillary nominated. Hmmmm.

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Steven Penney, DuPont, Washington — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:38:31 GMT

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Abdirazak Ali — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:51:05 GMT

Hillary is great. she wants to end the war. also she admitted that surge is working in siome areas of Iraq as Obam did admitt. Hillary also said infront of people " lets end this war" she is my hero.
people attacked Hillary just because she mentioned that surge is working some areas of Iraq and Obama per se said that too." . give me a break. Obama's ears does not hear his speech-
Obam's wife attack Hillary about Bill's action. you Obamas. leave Clinton alone. you better tell the voters some thing exciting instead of attacking Hillary.

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Larry, Kansas — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:58:10 GMT

Same old line at an earlier time -- April 20, 2007 -- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/19/AR2007041902719.html -- “I want to remind you that after Vietnam, after we left, millions of people lost their life,” Bush said -- http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/US_PolPot.html -- 1990 -- On the Side of Pol Pot: U.S. Supports Khmer Rouge: For the last eleven years the United States government, in a covert operation born of cynicism and hypocrisy, has collaborated with the genocidal Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. More specifically, Washington has covertly aided and abetted the Pol Potists' guerrilla war to overthrow the Vietnamese backed government of Prime Minister Hun Sen, which replaced the Khmer Rouge regime.

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George, Seattle, WA — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 01:05:50 GMT

Leaving Vietnam was such a mistake -- now they are competing with the United States in the all-important catfish market. If we had stayed and continued to bomb the heck out of them, this sad tragedy for the catfish farmers of America would never have happened. I know a lot of lives would have been lost if we had continued to fight a hopeless battle for 30 years, but think of the catfish!

Vietnam today is a prosperous and functional state despite all the gloomy predictions. Asia did not fall to Communism, which is what the press told us over and over again would happen in a heartbeat once the US withdrew. Hmmm, sound familiar?

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Mike, Blue Bell, PA — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 01:18:33 GMT

You can't win a war against an idea (in this case, radical islam) using guns and bombs, period. Just as you cant destroy america by blowing up buildings and bridges. Problem is that Al Qaida knows this, and king georgie does not. how do you destroy america? well, try stretching its military thin, isolating it diplomatically from the rest of the world, strain its economy, and turn its people against one another. Of course, none of this is possible without an imbicile in the white house. Enter little georgie. This knucklehead couldnt fight his way out of a paper bag, so he has no right to draw any comparisons to another tragic war to help accomodate his own blunder. You cant stick a gun in someones face and say 'stop hating me or ill kill you'. Georgies war has more than quadrupled the amount of america hating terrorists, destabilized the entire region, and accomplished NOTHING towards anyones goal of fighting terrorism. And people who still support him are just as clueless about how the world works and the little man himself.

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JOHN-PATRICK — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 01:33:34 GMT

When a big lie catches up with you then just come up with a BIGGER LIE...worked for Hitler, worked for Stalin and it has been working for bush due to the low level of education in our Land. Orwell was so correct as to the ability of a corrupt government to manipulate history and to twist it to their own evil designs. This fool and his minions have got to go....disgraceful as if a continuing butchery will sanctify the past horrors. Bush just wants this war to go on till he leaves then he can blame some one else for the coming mess and say : "I was doing a good job but this current President just screwed it up!" Will no one rid us of this pox upon the land???

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David Strack — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 02:04:23 GMT

I get the feeling all Bush, Cheney and Rove do is sit around and try to figure out ways to talk their way out of the Iraq mess they created. Do they ever try and come up with viable solutions? I think not. That would take work and brains.

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I'AM BROKE IN AMERICA — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 02:26:30 GMT

Let's take away George Bush's $ 9 "BILLION" DOLLAR A MONTH CREDIT CARD FOR IRAQ. THERE GOES YOUR "SOCIAL SECURITY" DOWN THE DRAIN.

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Bill R. — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 02:50:31 GMT

How ironic, that the privileged draft dodger from the Vietnam era should invoke that tragic war started also with lies! He says our troops must stay and die for those idiots who hide in the Green zone that we call a government. Bush's removal from office is the only way to bring our troops home and out of that mess.

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 03:32:01 GMT

Van says - "It seems that the Obama-nation can't say anything positive about their choice anywhere without also bashing the probable nominee."

Huh, Obama supporters are bashing Obama?

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julius — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 04:42:16 GMT

Bush's little parade before his speech? Let's see...oh yes, Triumph comes to mind:

Roman History. the ceremonial entrance into Rome of a victorious commander with his army, spoils of war, and captives, authorized by the senate in honor of an important military or naval victory. (From Dictionary.com)

Usually then the Senate would meet and the returning General, often a high ranking senator, would make speeches for his own cause.

Hmmmm, I don't know, can you see any similarities here?

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Combaticus — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:18:19 GMT

Bring the Troops home NOW!

Fight this war on American streets where it belongs!

Better 3000 American civilians dead than 3000 of our brave troops!

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Cal, Chico CA — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:38:24 GMT

Bill: You are wrong. I totally get Hillary. She is one smart cookie and a shrewd politician and thats one of the things I admire about her. Shes tough enough to lead the country and actually knows a thing or two about diplomacy....and boy could we use a healthy dose of that about now!

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Eric Von Baranov — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:53:27 GMT

Where are Gravel comments. He is in the race too. Why the censorship? Are we now the Soviet Union where the politicans control MSNBC.

Next time publish comments from all the candidates.

Eric Von Baranov

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Ralph West — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:05:51 GMT

Hillary versus Rudy -- two unprincipled triangulators. Obama's the man.

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Rick — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:11:13 GMT

Going Nuclear

The only thing scarier than Bush’s insinuation that he is willing to sacrifice the lives of at least another 50,000 soldiers in Iraq is the implication that he is prepared to go nuclear in Iraq. After all if he is saying that we should not have lost Vietnam, he must be listening to the Vietnam revisionists that say that the only reason we lost Vietnam was because we had one hand tied behind our back, in that we were unwilling to use nuclear weapons.

According to these same people the other reason we lost was because soldiers were rotated out of the conflict. Apparently if they had known that they were there until either they died or the war was won they would have fought harder.

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Fred A. Sears — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:15:05 GMT

Let's end this stupid war now!!!! To envoke the name of Vietnam for political purposes is a slap in the face to the men and women who died and served in that war. Albeit--a disaster militarily and politically, to even compare the two wars are beyond me. CLinton and Obama are correct in their assessments and should be appaulded.

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Jason Abdon — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:18:30 GMT

President Bush needs to be impeached, tried, and sentenced to death for his acts genocide and war crimes against humanity. As Hitler murdered the Poles to start WWII so hath George Bush done the same with the Iraqi people. Our civilization is doomed to failure if we hold to the same moral and legal principle those who are terrorist.

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Frank Menchaca, Diamond Bar, CA — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:26:14 GMT

I am very weary of this President and his Administration saying the problem is that the Iraqi government is not making sufficient progress. History has recorded that the U.S. government, under their watch, launched the attack that destroyed a nation and propelled it into turmoil. This President and his Administration bears full responsibility for this course of action. One day all the truth will hold them accountable.

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RememberTheFallofSaiGon — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:30:15 GMT

Do You Remember 1975 The Fall of Saigon ???
America run away from Vietnam..
5 millions south VietNamse die in jail 1 million die on sea or on the way to escape the Red Communist (viet-cong)
Is history repeat its self ...? 2009 The fall off Iraq..???
What happen to the Iraq people ....
how many more is going to be kill to be lelf behind in hell ??

My heart is go out for all Iraq people ....As much as the American familly loss love one in the war ....

ps-
send mr Bush to spend one day at war ..I do really like him to see how he feel

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John Harding, Phoenix, Arizona — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:33:32 GMT

Notwithstanding Bush's lies, there was no excuse for voting for the war.

Our representatives should have had the knowledge to understand that there was no basis for this war. Who could have bought into the stupid dog and pony show that Colin Powell put on at the UN to "demonstrate" that Iraq had weapons of mass distruction? What kind of people are we voting into office?

Talk, talk, talk, and no action. Does anyone have the courage to stand up and end the war? Or impeach Bush? Or do we have the leaders we deserve?

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Josie, Williamsburg, VA — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:36:19 GMT

The only plan "W" has is to keep our brave troops on Iraq's "killing Fields" until he is out of office. He should be impeached now because he in incapable of moving off his stubbon position. Not another American should be killed for this "fatally flawed" President and his war. He can take Cheney along to the impeachment too!

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Ralph West, Philadelphia, PA — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:41:38 GMT

Keith Olbermann's November 6th Special Comment says all that needs to be said about Bush's continuing lies about Iraq and the lying way he compares it to Vietnam. For the sake of America, let's hope the public and Congress have the intelligence and guts to resoundingly reject his lies and proceed with his necessary impeachment. It would be nice if the management of NBC could muster up the integrity and guts to run this special comment this Sunday prior to the football game. I have long felt that Olbermanns's best Special Comments should be on prime time NBC -- i.e., the Bryan Williams news.

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Rusty C, Alpharetta, GA — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:43:29 GMT

Maybe if Bush or any in his inner circle actually served in Vietnam they'd appreciate what a quagmire it was. Johnson was obsessed with not losing, and the same psychology in play today explains why it took so long to get out. Bush also made reference to Cambodia, which the U.S. bombed but didn't occupy. Ditto Laos. Genocide? Already happening in Iraq, and the sectarian divide was wholly unanticipated by a president who only talked in terms of us vs. the terrorists for the first years of the war.

The scary thing is that many Americans are as ignorant as Bush and actually believe statements like we would have won in Vietnam is we had stayed long enough (never mind it lasted far longer than any successful war, and the Iraq war has gone longer than WWII did for the U.S.). The people he's playing to are the same ones who didn't know or didn't care that Saddam wasn't connected to 9/11 and are likely to think all Muslims are jihadists who hate the U.S.

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Marjorie Ann Drake Rosarito Beach, Baja CA. Norte Mexico — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:49:02 GMT

How can this President have the gaul to even speak of Vietnam, when his family bought his way out of that war so he could snort coke and party hearty, ABSENT FROM DUTY. If he was sooo concerned over the Vietnamese left behind, why wasn't he there? Where was Cheney? How many deferrments did he have, FIVE? Or, was it more? How DARE they even whisper Vietnam, how dare they. And, where is his concern over the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, the innocents, butchered by his present policies? He failed to make an analogy to the similarities of the beginnings of both wars, both wars manufactured. Does the Gulf Of Tonkin ring a bell? How stupid does this guy think we are?

And for crying out loud people stop defending Hillary, Ashe of SF is correct. We'll see about Anbar, won't we? Anbar could very well be a trap, another Custer's last stand. And you that are believing and buying into the so-called surge success
reports are simply naive.

One more thing MSNBC, why didn't you get a reaction to Bush's selective and false analogy from Dennis Kucinich? Afterall, he did win the ABC poll, and they tried to bury that. My, the cabal is far reaching, isn't it ?

Goodnight, from Baja California.

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Ralph West, Philadelphia, PA 19118 — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:52:10 GMT

Mr. Olbermann's July 19th (Go to Iraq and fight your war yourself, Mr. Bush) is also right on the money.

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BAKER UNO — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:54:32 GMT

I agree with the general crappiness, but we can't just pull out of the region now... our illegal war has completely destabilized the entire region, and the 100,000 dead Iraqi civilians will be nothing compared to what the slaughter will be once we're no longer there to referee the tribes and keep foreign intruders at bay. Like Obama said, more humanitarian aid... but also, for those that signed up for the military, and those who've supported this bullshit, it's time to stick it out and make out country look like assholes, not assholes who destroyed a country and left it to rot in the chaos that is the middle east.

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Pat, Pittsburgh, PA — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:36:03 GMT

Excuse me, Sandra from Cali, but you are perhaps the most ignorant person that's posted thus far. There can be NO comparison to the current conflict to that of WWII because NOTHING compares between the two. Nothing. WWII was country vs. country, allies vs. axis, etc....Al Qaeda has no country for us to invade, they have no country that they are defending, and they do not fight in any conventional way as WWII was fought. The war on terror will NEVER be won the way Bush is fighting it, but if he would listen to people that know he would learn that it is possible to achieve victory. Instead of listening to people that have never spent one day in uniform and know enough about warfare to write it down on the back of a pack of matches (Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Rice).

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Jack,Taji Iraq — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:36:59 GMT

Hillary Clinton says "we need to stop referring the war"!!! We started the war!! Did someone forget that? We need to finish it. Kick the media out, keep the politicians out of the Generals work, let the soldiers do their job and we would have them home sooner than you think. War is brutal, you can't be PC in a war. The insurgents aren't politically correct. If we leave here its only going to follow us to our own home. Then what will all of you say that want us out now? We would have lost WW II with the thought process shown here and what the politicians are showing during their run.

Cut off the funding!!! And watch more of our soldiers die. You people don't have a clue. Everyone one of you sits at home, nice and comfy sitting behind the computer arm chair quarter backing the war. Why don't you all come over here and join us?

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An American Soldier, Baghdad, Iraq — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:42:10 GMT

Why are these debates always so mean and uncivil? Do people have to exaggerate and tell half truths to win an argument? If arguments are based on true facts, they don't need the unecessary emblishments

The name calling and distorting of facts makes it looks like you're all a bunch of ingnorant liars who will say anything to support your version of the truth. How many of YOU served in Viet Nam? How many of YOU served in Iraq? How many of YOU know the historical accuracies of Viet Nam versus what is really happening in Iraq? Many of you spout venomous attacks against the other side that are, at best, half truths and at worst calculated lies. You fail to realize we are all Americans, and Americans are all members of a world community. If you want peace, be peaceful, not hateful. As Gandhi said (I paraphrase) you must be the change you want to see in the world. You won't end this conflict (in Iraq or at home) through conflict. Only through honest, rational discussion.

Have a little perspective too. While every violent death is tragic -- especial those of innocents -- not even 4,000 US troops have died in Iraq during the whole time US troops have been there. Every year 6,000+ teens die in traffic accidents in the US and another 300,000 are injured. Now there's a cause to rally behind -- a domestic issue that robs America of the potential of our rising generation. (Source: National Safety Council, Injury Facts, 2007 Edition, and Bureau of Labor Statistics, Bureau of the Census, Federal Highway Administration, National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), and National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA).)

There are some very deep and troubling issues with this war, with leaders on both sides of the aisle, and with their blind-faith minions who spout political talking points and the party line instead of thinking for themselves. Not the least of these disturbing issues is using the loss of faceless, nameless soldiers for politial gain. What do you know? To paraphrase Douglas McArthur: It is the soldier, above all, who prays for peace because it is the soldier, above all, who must suffer the pains of war.

I hope the war in Iraq ends soon. I hope it ends well for America and for Iraq. Whether it ends well for the Iraqis is up to the Iraqis. Whether it ends well for Americans is up to Americans. Can any of you who bring up the lessons of history remember the dark and divided sixties? Let's not have another Viet Nam in Iraq or a Viet Nam debate at home. It divided us deeply. It was bad for America. And what made it bad? Exactly the kinds of unfeeling, toxic rhetoric in these postings.

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Rufus Gibbons, DC — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:05:21 GMT

Sandra Brown, I was around in WWII and as I believed in the war I enlisted. Dont compare this FIASCO to WWII. Bush has come up with half a dozen reasons for going to war with Iraq none of them true or legitimate.

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WILLIAM LLOYD, PHILADELPHIA,PA — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:35:42 GMT

AS STRANGE AS IT MUST SEEM, I REALLY UNDERSTAND AND HAVE SYMPATHY FOR G.W. . DOESN'T ANYONE REALIZE HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO GOVERN PROPERLY AND RESPONSIBLY WITH YOUR HEAD UP YOUR ASS?

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Yangon, Myanmar — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:44:57 GMT

I wonder why Bush failed to mention the 3 million Vietnamese dead and the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis already dead, due to the US involvement in these wars. He also failed to mention how many more Iraqis have to die until he can at last definitely say MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

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Reb, Muskogee, OK — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:05:37 GMT

I am a retired soldier and I served four years in vietnam, a war that was started by democrats, not republicans and it does not suprise me to read blogs about how gutless the President and Vice Presidet are for not fighting in Iraq. I can see how others who are afraid to serve have the right to set at home here in the good old USA ( they don't even have to run off to Canada because service is voluntary instead of the draft) and write blogs about others who they claim to be cowards, because our voluntiers are fighting for their right to do so. I can only say that you should back up your blogs by showing how brave you are and enlisting in the military now. And remember ladies, because of womens liberation, you now have the right to serve also. If one is afraid to serve then they can justify their fear by claiming the war is illegal, or run off to Canada. Yes we lost to war in Vietnam, but not because of the soldiers fighting the war but because of the chicken sh-- chair warmers prading in the streets back home and aiding the enemy with medical supplies and propaganda.
You can also throw some blame towards the lying media
that claimed we lost the tet offensive. If you want to really earn the right to spout off then go down to the recuriting office and sign up for military service.

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William W. Hines, 1350 North Driftwood Avenue, Colton, CA 92324 — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:32:08 GMT

Iraq can only be sumarized as "Bush's Folly" Almost $4,000 of your young people have paid with their lives for nothing. we need our troops out as soon as possilbe and bush should be impeached even if all we do is shorten his term by a day.

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Thomas Fuller, Killeen, TX — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:53:43 GMT

The crap I just read is the reason I am given up my
my American citizeship in four years. I was born in New York, raised in Texas and served 25 years, 2 months and 2 days in the US Army. A Vietnam, Desert veteran. When I was growing up, Americans were proud
of their country. They stood for their country. Not today. At this time in our country's history, when there is a society that wants to destroy our country, the average American can care less. Back in the 40s, 50s, and 60s we stood and defended our society. Back then Americans had the spine to defend their country. Today, the average American can care less for their country. For instant, there is a radical overseas society that is planning to destroy our society. But the modern American does not want to acknowledge that fact. Also back in the time of my growing Americans knew how to take care of their selves. Our parents did not depend on the government to pay for their food, education of their kids, medical needs and a ton of other facts. Back then, we upped and took care of ourselves. and our country. Not today. Today the adverage American does not know how to care of theirselves and of their country. The war in Iraq Americans, is a war in the coming future that is going to be in the homeland if
we don't win in Iraq. Alquaida is watching, should we pull out like we did in Vietnam, Al-quida is going to bring the war to our homeland. Unlike the
communists who won in Vietnam and became friendly to America over the time, Al Quiuda is not going to be so nice. They want to see the USA destroyed, Americans eleminated from this earth. To them, we are the "Devil's Kids." Just read the newspaper in your city and what is there everyday, an article about home born radical Muslims found planning attacks on their country of birth. Doesn't that tell you something? It does me. No fellow Americans, you make me puke. So do the Democrats and radical Republicans. You rather do nothing to defent our country. Thus, I have decided to give up my American
citizenship in four years. I cannot respect the fellow modern American. He and She do not have the spine to standup and defend their country. OOh, by the way. Back in the growing time, corporate America did not have the fists on our Congress that it has today. I don't care what the Democrats say, look at their fat pockets. The dollars, pennies, nickles and dimes in their pockets come from the same corporates
that they accuse their Republican buddies of suppporting. Before they shoot the finger at the Republicans, they need to admit that their heavy
pockets are also provided by corporate America. That is another problem that did not exsist bac in the 40s to late 60s. Fellow Americans, it is time to standup and challenge the corruption of our senators of both parties. Corporate America should not have more influence in our government then does the average American. Take a look of the payroll of both your Senator and Repersenative (both parties). Also, Americans, it is time to for you, the average American, to learn how to standup and defend your country. Until you do that, I will be watching from a foreign country. Bring back the America of pride I growed up in, then I will come back. Don"t then I will die a citizen of another country. Oh, I type this message in my apartment in Kuwait. Americans, you need (particular the Baby Bummers) to stand up and defend your country. Baby Bummers, step out and show the spine that you onced had. You what something,don't ask the government, go find it yourself. Cooperate America depend on yourself like it use to be. Don't depend on the Fed toline your pockets. Senators and Congressman, cease the corruption that you have bote into our government. Fellow Americans depend on your self not the governmet to pay for medical and other needs. The fed take care of our military heroes. Grave into the
Veterans Affairs and make it take care (really) of our military veterans. Medical staff should be American trained doctors, not foreign staff). Good bye America, become the country I grew up in and served for 25 plus years, then I will come home. Stay the limps you are today, then what bad happens because you don't have the spine to standup and defend and respect your country, thats on you. A true American defends his/hers country. Gets the education needed to be successful. Demand the federal government, President, Senators/Congressmen to avoid corruption. Serve American citizens, keep
away from the money of corporate America. Become the real America that we Boomers knew while growing. Modern Americans, depend on yourself not the government to take of you.Get the education, then
get the job. Don't be afraid to challenge the corruption of our Congress and Senate. They are suppose to serve the citizens, not make themselves rich from the money of corporate America. Yeh, what a corrupt nation and full of nonspline citizens.

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Harold, Hastings Minnesota — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:57:29 GMT

President Bush's recollection of history is a bit fuzzy, the killing fields were in Cambodia and not Vietnam. The killing and Pol Pot's government was stopped by Vietnam when they invaded Cambodia and threw them out. Vietnam is probably a safer place today being one country and peaceful then say North and South Korea.

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Jinny Lee — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:07:13 GMT

The man (Bush) is hallucinating....must be that Vietnam "poppy!"

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Jan — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:14:57 GMT

If the democrats are so smart, why can't they tell us how they plan to get out. Most of them helped Bush get us into this, so instead of bad-mouthing him, get in there and work with him for a good solution.

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Wayne,Pennsville,NJ — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:16:49 GMT

When are we as Americans going to STAND UP AND SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.... Bush and Cheney need to be IMPEACHED immediately.... I'm sick and tired from seeing and hearing about our SOLDIERS DYING AND BEING MAIMED because of another DICTATOR like Sadam Hussein... They are no different then any other LIAR AND MURDERER..! These 2 indviduals have blood on their hands of our brothers, sisters, fathers, daughters, aunts, uncles,nieces,nephews,husbands, wifes, etc.....When judgement day comes, I wouldn't want to be in their shoes..
Its time we start contacting whoever our Senators and Congressman are on a DAILY BASIS and tell them its time to end this fiasco and remind them that Elections are coming soon....

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jorge — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:16:59 GMT

I'm sick of all the democrats' sniping at Bush and criticizing the war but when it comes time to pull the plug, Bush points to the plug and says, "Go ahead, I dare ya!" And in spite of his low ratings and failed policies, the dems fold again and again.

If you're against the war, dems, and it is costing us too much all the way around and we get nothing in return, then it is your duty to pull the plug and the voters be damned--they voted you in and they knew what your view of the war is--do what has to be done.

Don't tell us the republicans in congress won't let you override a veto. You know damned well you don't need that. You need only cut off the funds getting to Bush. You could gridlock on the issue and that would be enough to cut off funds. You have other options but refuse to explore them because you don't really want to end the war--you're afraid voters will take it out on you as "surrender dogs." Well then, support the war and support Bush.

Why bother to attack him and his failures if you don't have the backbone to stand up to a failed president? Your own low ratings have less to do with being surrender dogs than all your big talk about how you will end this botched war and then you cave to Bush on the very policies you can't stop telling us have tragically failed.

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Daniel Chavez — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:18:40 GMT

This is george w bush's war, not America's it is wrong that our soldiers have to die so that bush can make his mark in history and he will but it will haunt him for the rest of his sad life.

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Ron Dolecki, Huntingtown, Maryland — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:23:20 GMT

The Democrat Party has become the party of defeat and surrender. What is their strategy for getting us out of Germany, Japan, and Korea? These are all places Democrat Presidents sent our troops more than 50 years ago!! All of the current Democrat presidential candidates are pathetic. God bless America and our troops. --A former Democrat

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James Bardo, Orlando, FL — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:25:51 GMT

A better analogy I believe would be the breakup of Yugoslavia and the ensuing war between the Bosnians, Croats, and Serbs. Where we replaced holocoust in our lexicon with ethnic cleansing for the same actions.

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Rich, Jersey City, NJ — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:33:24 GMT

As usual, Mr. Bush missed the lesson of Vietnam which was we shouldn't have gotten involved in the first place. Are we surprised?

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yun, Nanking China — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:40:43 GMT

I`m a foreigher.Our government and it`s instrument of propaganda have repeatedly told us that your country launch the Iraqi war just for the purpose of controlling the petroleum resources. I don`t know whether it is true. In China, the propaganda of the government is unbelievable. In my view it is inconceivable that your nation,The most democratic country in the world invaded an other small country only to get the petroleum.

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Michele — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:42:13 GMT

Noone listened to the millions of us protesters who marched against this in NYC and Washington before it even started...If anyone had millions would be alive today....

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Russ Jenkins, Pahrump, Nevada — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:42:59 GMT

The only thing worse than americans loosing their lives is the US abondoning these people after turning their world upside down. The Americans that have died will have died for nothing and anyone that has been of assistance to the US will be killed. It's a fact. More people dye from cigarettes in a week here than have died in "The War" in all these years.

If America lets this decide who will be the next president we are in deep deep trouble

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John Hoffert, Baltimore MD — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:44:26 GMT

I suppose I should have seen this coming from quite possibly the worst president we ever had, given his boundless arrogance and incompetence. He uses the Vietnam analogy to try to put a positive spin on his contribution to the wealth and power of the military-industrial complex, particularly of those running it. I find it absolutely reprehensible that he pitched his drivel to patriotic, self-sacrificing veterans when he knows nothing about being a patriot or making any kind of sacrifice. Obviously, karl rove hasn't left the White House yet...

How can he or anyone even try to justify the position he took? Does he think our military also should have 'stayed the course' in Vietnam, and perhaps lost half a million troops fighting another war we never should have entered in the first place? Does he really believe it would have turned out differently had we stayed there?

You cannot inflict something upon a nation that doesn't want what you're selling and you have no right to attempt it. The only ones profiting from this, as it was in Vietnam, are the defense contractors- the friends of bush, cheney and rumsfeld, the beneficiaries of 'the new American century'. Our troops are not fighting, being maimed and dying for any noble purpose there; they're fighting to make a handful of rich people even richer. Who knows how many Iraqis have died for that purpose, as several million Vietnamese did?

Whether or not democracy will take hold there is not our business; it's their country and they need to chart their own course without our interference. As for us, we need to, once and for all, take a page out of Brazil's book and start working right now toward energy independence, which we have every resource we need to make happen. Does anyone think we'd be in Iraq if there was no oil there? The cheap, easy way: that's what our governments have taken, particularly since the end of World War II, and we need to stop it.

I despise this administration and what they're doing to our America. Life is becoming cheaper by the day. However, it's not entirely their fault; they'd have done nothing had they not been voted in. Electing the stupidest candidate- twice- hasn't worked out so well for the vast majority of us. Surprise, surprise! All who looked at that bumbling buffoon and saw presidential material need to reassess their selection process, and a lot more besides that. Style, image and finesse mean nothing. We need to look beyond the b.s., and at the actions.

Frankly, we need to rid ourselves of both major parties, since they do what their corporate masters tell them: by no means is this an exclusively republican problem. Until we change the system, which we can start the process of by not voting for either party's candidates and selecting others instead- based on individual merit, not the amount of money raised- the beat will go on.

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Bud, VA — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:45:01 GMT

Talk, talk, talk, blah, blah, blah. If Dems really want to make a statement, then cut the funding. No money, no war...simple. Anything else is just political posturing and jibber-jabber and the main reason why Congress has a low approval rating.

Bottom line: The American public is sick of a President with the IQ of a bucket of hair and the ego/arrogance bigger than Everest, and sick of a Congress with more hot air than a summer day in Phoenix and less skivoza's than a sea shrimp.

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bill in wva — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:45:38 GMT

it just crazy america should of learned by the frist read my lips bush and his war he ggot us into and this anticrist want to be now and what gets me is that even our so called dems even helped to put him in offace to those traders you get what you desurved this country is always worse off when a rep is in offace when are you people ever ghoing to learn that they care only for their selves and what they want not the people this war had nothing to do with 91 it was used as an excuese to get someone hid daddy could not get yeah we may got him but look at what it cost us lots of lifes that should of never been took from us in the frist place cause of a gready little vendeta while the real ones that we should of went after in the frist place still roam to cause more harm to me bush is just like those dectators that we clime to want to be rid off yet look at us unlike a few of us you dumb people put that a- hole in there so the blood of those lost even tho tthey did it for their country some even forced to go fight or risk jail ect are not only on bushes hands but those of you who put him with that power in the frist place all clinton did was have a little sex and got cought at it truth known most people probley do have sex in offace big deal but while he was in our country was better off then it had ever been now look at it high gas as well as other prices unneeded deats high costs of living yet us underclass people and midclass people still can not make it again when are u people goingg to wake up u would think over the years you would learn reps are for their self and and will even turn on their own when it comes to what they want and no matter who it hurts and or kills we wanted to impeach clinton yet we let trash like bush stay in i say some of u brought this on yourself and those of us that did not want it have to pay for it well no mater how the depats go clinton or obama this country needs u both i feel either one of you can take this country to where it needs to be but there will be a lot of hard work to fix up whats screwed up by bush good luck

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joel, Pa — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:52:14 GMT

Fifty years ago I served on the DMZ in Korea. Iraq will end up being at least this long a time. Korea at that time was ruled by Rhee, who was disposed by the youth of Korea leading the revolt. Many died for their Korea then lapsed repeately into the tyranny of military rule. Eventualy, with our protection, Korea has at last has become a democratic nation. This is the time frame I see for Iraq. Think about it, we have kept almost fifty thousand troop in Korea for fifty years to bring this all this about. Viet Nam was still in the future for us. Hope and peace to all.

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Rick Ona, WV — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:58:44 GMT

It absolutely amazes me that any U.S. citizen still supports Dubya or his administration. It actually sickens me to still see W'04 or Bush/Cheney stickers on peoples cars.

How many innocent have to die, how much worthless suffering, how much lying, how many no bid contracts have to take place, how much freedom do we have to loose, how much damage has to be done to the Constitution, how much of the world's respect does this fine country have to loose before these people wake-up and realize that Bush needs to be impeached AND convicted?

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Chuckie Webb, Lyons MS — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:59:37 GMT

> > Mr. Olbermann's July 19th (Go to Iraq and fight your war yourself, Mr. Bush) is also right on the money < <

Mr. Olbermann's constant slobbering on himself over the Ohio and Florida vote counts for [pick a year] proves why insane people should not be allowed on television.

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Outside Looking in, Belfast UK,Sydney Australia & Hamilton New Zealand — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:08:53 GMT

The simple point is the war was waged on illegal grounds - and the average Iraqi was much better off under Saddam - at least they new the rules, and new what they could or could not do in order to stay safe. The country is a shell of its former self - attitude towards America are a million times worse, creating more of a climate for terrorists to promote their agendas amongst citizens who are jaded against occupation and the corruption that any occupation brings. Bush knows this - He is a stupid man on his smartest day - but even he has managed to draw the attention away from the true reason America is in Iraq in the first place - and why he doesnt want to withdraw.. Oil is money, money is power - and almost every high ranking member of american politics either comes from the oil industry in the past, or still has ties to the oil industry now. Why was Suddam given the key to Boston? why was the Taliban in the white house, months before they were "public enemy no 1" shaking hands and smiling with american poiticians? even though the human rights problems, etc. were no different, and well known to the Whitehouse? What changed? America decided they could use this to go after the oil! and at the same time blame a convienient scapegoat. American leaders its proven do not learn from past mistakes.. The reason that there is the anti-american sentiment all dates back to America using Iraq in a proxy war with Russia during the cold war, and the way they handled that situation. And come on, its not a republican Vs Democrats situation, Its the simple fact that Not every country in the world wants, or indeed needs american style democracy.(which in my view is not a democracy at all!)Saddam was not a nice man, but if you ask me if he deserved to be hung to death, Bush deserves 10 times that punishment - along with other previous and past members of the american political system for genocide, illegal occupation, human rights abuses, abuses of power, and ARROGANCE! This is not pointed at american people, who for the most part, like any other people, are fine.. Its the "holier than thou, Americans are the greatest people in the world" philosophy that has turned them into spoiled bullies that cry bullets when they dont get there own way. I could go on, but Im rambling. After all, only Americans can stop American Politics ruining any chance of salvation for the american people. Its not a matter of who should I vote for? Its a matter of voting no confidence in anyone, to force a real change in the politic attitudes and systems put in place that are in effect, ruining our planet.. Isnt it a tad hypocritical that America is crying about Iran aspireing to having nuclear weapons, when America possesses them as well? Level the playing field, lead by example, not force, and countries around the world will rally to your defence if needed. Dont try to be self appointed world leaders anymore, no-one asked you for that, and no-one wants any one country in that position.. Until Americans politicians learn this, Im afraid its going to be a downward spiral guys, so hold on for the ride, its going to be a rough one!

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In God we Trust- Myrtle Beach SC — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:10:35 GMT

I wonder where the Democratic public gets enough classified information to make so many personal assertions about this war. I don't believe there is anyone in this Country that enjoys war, or the tradegy any war always brings. However, it seems now the Democrats are so hungry for a political victory they are just against Bush and everything he stands for. I've heard it all, and I'm telling you, no one reading this message knows enough to make the comments they make. We are a media fed nation of people, gettting fragments of information from everywhere. A little of this and a little of that. Anyone that truely believes extemist Islam is not something that can, and eventually will, take down America(and any other Democratic regime)is a person that needs to pay closer attention to the noise they hear everyday from the media and politicians trying to get elected. We all need to pray for our leaders and the people that help them make these life and death decisions (Democrat or Republican).Hillary, Obama,Edwards - give me a break, I wonder if deep down anyone really would feel safer with these people making the decisions. Bush always right, I doubt it, but at least he is acting (not reacting) on the best information he has. Can any of you intellectual Wizards give us better information, or do you just like to hear yourself talk? Think about it and pray about it - your opinions are just another "brick in the wall". Yes, I remember Vietnam.

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Tuck — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:12:53 GMT

we may have a white house wedding, we'll never have a bush family member enlist.

Go Clinton

(obama is too inexperienced, all talk, like bush

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Gary, Minneapolis, Minnesota — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:27:04 GMT

I wish there were parties that tapped the minds and hearts of Americans and REALLY gave them voices and clout in their central government.Sadly there are not--we have to work with what we have, and there are serious flaws in both the Republican and Democratic parties, hence our gains are small peanuts at best. The coming election may well be the one that determines the ultimate survival of our nation. I urge everyone to scrutinize the candidates well. Bush and Cheney(clever man who panders to Bush's massive ego)have succeeded in bringing America's image in the world to its lowest point since 1776. But Congress has been utterly spineless in its response, even toadying up to them at times. The issues are manifold, and all I have seen for decades is posturing, gassing, rhetoric, partisanship. The largest issue all along in Shrub's reign has been CONSTITUTIONAL, his and Cheney's trashing of the separation of powers. What we need desperately is a STATESMAN (or WOMAN-but I exclude Hillary from that class)who will reach out to other nations instead of trying to impose our way of life on them. Every nation in the world's history that relied on military might to rule is either gone, or a pale shadow of its former self. Were next if we don't realize this and curb the huge, burdensome CIA/NSA/FBI/Secret Service/Pentagon complex that is bankrupting our country. Curb, I say, not eliminate. Then maybe we would all have health care and free education to provide America with the pool of technicians and scientists it sorely needs. Obama is a constitutional lawyer, and I believe our best hope rests in him.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:50:51 GMT

Jorge - Guess what? To override a presidential veto, you need more than a majority. Dems cannot end the invasion without several Republicans crossing over and so far they are unwilling to do that in large enough numbers.

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Frank, Miami, FL — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:57:45 GMT

The only candidate with a real plan for Iraq and qualified to be President is Joe Biden!!!

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jon nack, san diego ca — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:20:20 GMT

this country has sold it's soul to the devil, george w bush, and what eber we get we have coming in spades. i know what the germans must have felt like when hitler was spinning his naffarious web... god forgive us for what we've done... i only hope that i live to see the day when the whole bush administration is put on trial for crimes against humanity and treason. i do not believe in the death penalty but in this case i'd stand in line to buy a ticket and i'm sure it would be a very, very long one
jon b nack

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Heather, Seattle, WA — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:44:05 GMT

When are the Dems going to realize that having John Kerry speak for the party makes independents like me RUN to the right. Hillary is all over the board on this issue. I believe what the president says. We must stay to prevent bloodshed.

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Mel, Illinois — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:50:11 GMT

Once again I am commpelled to point out that not all troops support Bush. Yes, it is a volunteer military, but that does not translate into blindly believing in the infallibility of the Commander in Chief. My son enlisted out of a sense of duty, patriotism and a willingness to serve his country. He is proud of having honored his commitment and of performing his missions well. He is not proud that those missions were part of an unjustified invasion of a country that had nothing to do with September 11.

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Rod Evers — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:28:45 GMT

>> Once again I am compelled [SIC] to point out that not all troops support Bush. <<

Wow. There's a stretch. Strawman too.

A strong majority of the troops support President Bush.

Happy now?

Your son should have learned fairly early that if he has opinions different then his commanders, he should keep them to himself, or get promoted so he can make the rules.

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Outside Looking in — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:56:03 GMT

I said it earlier, only a overwelming vote of no confidence in any candidate will have any lasting effect. What America needs is a total political reform based on the interest of Americans, not a select group of american companies.. until this happens, America is crewed, and they will continue to screw the entire planet in their holier than thou crusade of capitalisim.