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Unioni Baby, Tennessee — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:09:05 GMT

Go John, you are what the repugnants fear most. That is why they all crossed over in 2004 to vote for Kerry. They knew shrub would look like the idiot he is if he had to debate John in public.

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David, Chattanooga, Tn — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:17:50 GMT

America, Iowa voters know what they are doing and they like John Edwards. He is the best man for the people of this great country to lead us back to the America we can be proud of again.

Edwards 08!

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Shadow, Hamden, CT — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:24:53 GMT

I would put the the analysis of the Iowa poll slightly diffeently. If 29% of Democrats in Iowa support Edwards, and 25% of Democrats in Iowa think he's the best change agent, that means that the vast majority of his supporters DO see him as a change agent, and suggests that they ARE voting for him based on that; rather, I think the fact that the two numbers are close together actually suggests a ceiling for Edwards' Iowa support beyond those who he already has had in his corner, and the fact that Obama's change number is 35% - thirteen points ahead of his caucus support - means that Obama has major upside potential in Iowa. In contrast, Clinton's numbers have the potential to go down in the state, as less see her as a change agent than support her.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:38:35 GMT

After her less then tasty week of Chinese money, the numbers should be going even lower Hillary as more people find out about the criminal element of her campaign. This is also an embarrassment for the state of California and New York, if he had to get any I.D. (drivers license, social security card etc), how did he get by the red flags that would have arisen if he tried to get those cards? Must be some good connections in the state motor vehicle department. Hillary now has the Chinese money problem to add to her growing legacy of lies and deceptions.

Just one more thing; If she is elected President, will Norman Hsu be her first Pardon?

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MK,MO — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:42:03 GMT

I think edwards is a good person for the job, he has workable plans that he has layed out in detail, and he is the only dem candidate that can win the general election, always has been

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Joe Justice — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:55:09 GMT

It doesn't make any logical sense for TIME to assume that Iowans like Edwards for who he is but not what he says--in fact, that's plain stupid.

Edwards has many more ideas than his change message (health care, poverty, energy, wages) and these are exactly why Iowans like him.

The media wants to discredit Edwards supporters as image-obsessed, when the media is the one crazed over the superficial. It's more than likability.

Go Edwards.

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Spud, Delmont, PA — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:55:12 GMT

jerry/corpus christi texas-you better hope that the next President pardons you. The day that you take a shot at hypocracy on your side of the aisle will be the first, and then, maybe, I'll pay attention to what you say. Consider this a challenge from someone whe wants a positive discussion of the issues for once.

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mad in Madtown — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:55:13 GMT

Edwards/Feingold '08

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Ricardo in California — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:08:43 GMT

I love the way the GOP is trying to make the Hsu issue this big scandal when it really is not. When you look at the money Halliburton gave to all those Texas GOP criminals who ended up in Washington and what Halliburton got in return makes the Clinton story look like nothing. Bottom line, the GOP is still the best at crimes, crimes and more crimes.

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JIrby, Colorado — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:13:24 GMT

Why are we not revealing the name of the charity Hillary gave the 23000 to? I think it would be very civil of her to donate this kind of money to some entity that gives aid and council to Republican homosexuals. There seems to be quite a lot of them cropping up lately, and I expect a few more of them will be making headlines in months to come. I think we've just seen the tip of the iceberg.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:14:05 GMT

Anybody who wants to have a "positive" discussion of the issues, I'm all ears.

Consider this:

Hillary's theme song "a brand new day" by Celine Dion
Her new song "living on the Chinese wall" by Phillip Bailey.

Hillary Clinton: "Let's talk, Let's chat, Let's have a conversation"
At her campaign rallies, you need a case of no doze and Bill Clinton to get the rallies going.

Hillary Clinton: "there will be a new direction in my administration!"
So far, all we are getting is the 1990's version of Bill Clinton

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:16:36 GMT

Jerry - From what I understand, Hsu is not charged with a federal crime. Presidents can only pardon those convicted of federal crimes. But thanks for playing.

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Captain-Sky North Carolina — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:18:08 GMT

Mr Sir Jerry I Think The Internet And The NewsPapers,& The TV News Stated That He Contributed To The Democratic Party,So I Wonder How Did You Just Get Senator Clintons Name Out Of This,I Also Wonder How In The Hell Everyone Else Only Gets Senator Clinton,I've Heard No Mention Of The Others Why Not

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Ravine Force, Kissimmee, FL — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:20:09 GMT

Ricardo, and they have the market cornered on gays but vote against any initiative that give gays some rights. LOL Talk about being confused. Crooked, corrupt and gay, the new GOP image.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:20:48 GMT

I would not be surprised at all if Edwards won Iowa. Out of all the candidates, Democrat and Republicans, I think he does seem like the most likeable. And although I don't believe that should be the be-all end-all when it comes to choosing a candidate, it seems to me that it should count for something.

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Mike K, Denver — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:21:11 GMT

The Republicans aren't making the big issue with Hsu. It's other Democrats running, namely Hillary's biggest rivals--Obama and Edwards. I agree with the assessment made about the Iowa numbers. It appears that Obama and Edwards have the best upside potential while Hillary will slide. I believe all this negativity from her campaign along side the less than legal campaign contributions (she can spin them any way she wants till they're dizzy, she can't get around the fact she accepted dirty money), she will slide no matter how much and how often the MSM attempt to shove her down our throats.

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jerri fan not — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:21:43 GMT

jerri is just jealous that it is monica and hillary with bill instead of jerri.

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Mike K, Denver — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:24:31 GMT

<<Mr Sir Jerry I Think The Internet And The NewsPapers,& The TV News Stated That He Contributed To The Democratic Party,So I Wonder How Did You Just Get Senator Clintons Name Out Of This,I Also Wonder How In The Hell Everyone Else Only Gets Senator Clinton,I've Heard No Mention Of The Others Why Not>>

He donated to both the DNC as well as specific Democratic candidates and campaigns including that of Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton. While others are not in the spotlight except in their own state, Hillary is in the national spotlight making her acceptance of said money an even bigger issue. Did she accept money from him in the past while running 2x for Senator from New York? Is there more money than she's officially stated that she kept? While others have unloaded all the money, it seems a little odd that she only is giving up $23k when he's donated and raised millions.

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Lewis, Cincinnati, Ohio — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:35:00 GMT

Can we not defend this please?? This HSU issue is wrong plain and simple. It doesn't help anyone in politics, but especially us democrats!!! WE cannot afford to throw stones---especially if Hillary is our nominee!!!

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Ricardo in California — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:37:13 GMT

Carrie, Jerry is a bad version of Fox News, trying to spin a story and not knowing how to spin it .. you go Jerry boy ...keep up the bad work ....

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Stu, Saginaw, MI — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:38:06 GMT

TO: jerry/corpus cristi:

Your uber-conservative, Republican pantyhose are beginning to show more and more. Don't get them caught in public restrooms.

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Robert Catalano, Salem, OR — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:38:52 GMT

Hmmm, maybe Hillary is giving the $23,000 to ObamaTruth.org.

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Al, KS — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:40:13 GMT

Hasn't Edwards talked, in person, to everyone in Iowa by now. Edwards winning Iowa would be as meaningful as Romney winning the Ames straw poll. He has no chance in NH, has pulled out of NV, and is not really running a national campaign. This year the primary will be over in a blink of an eye, and Edwards doesn't seem to have a chance on a national level.

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Mary, Cedar Rapids IA — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:40:55 GMT

Actually, it was democratic CANDIDATES, not the party. If he had given to the party, there would be no candidate whose financing came into question (again)to donate the money. We are so stupid, we will again elect the wealthiest candidate anyway...most, even those who caucus and attend primaries, care to know what the issues are.

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Doles, Miami, FL — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:45:44 GMT

At this junction, I would like to see anyone among Biden, Obama, Edwards, Hillary, and others win the presidency. However, one has to be careful not to oversimplify the situation. When it comes to John Edwards, one of the problems he has is perception.

1) Perception:
We all understand that had John Edwards not resigned from his senate seat couple years ago, he probably would have not been reelected. Now one has to wonder if you cannot win your own state(Al Gore-2000 & John Edwards-2004), then it is hard to convince many people that you are a viable candidate as you are perceived to be weak even in your state.
In addition, I think many people simply believe he will not be able to win the general election. For instance, we remember how he was ridiculed for calling the war on terror a quote: "Bumper Sticker".
When comes general election time, we all know how the republicans will run all over him on that statement alone. In fact when talking about him, some observers are already discarding him as being on the very left flank of the party. That may not be fair, however we all know how perception can destroy a politician just as fast as it can uplift them.

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Mike K, Denver — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:54:34 GMT

<<Jerry - From what I understand, Hsu is not charged with a federal crime. Presidents can only pardon those convicted of federal crimes. But thanks for playing. >>

He is, however, under federal investigation. This will likely lead to charges down the road.

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FL — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:55:21 GMT

Face it the “Gay Old Party” is falling to pieces and they are running around like rats for the nearest exit.

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Dave, Tn — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:58:47 GMT

Someone remind me again of the democrat presidential candidates that support gay marriage? Looks like it's time for the log cabin boys to fire up investigations into hypocrisy on the democrat side. Surely some of these conservative democrats they had to drag in to win seats are in the closet.

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:24:10 GMT

Go !! JOHNNY GO !!
Keep standing up to the special interests and the lobbyists !!

John, keep speaking out against corrupt politicians, Republican OR Democratic !! ;-)

It's the message that's driving John, populism !!
Let's put an end to the Democrats nominating Washington insiders !!

The cover says 'Business LOVES HILLARY'
(Fortune Magazine) -- One of Hillary Clinton's most important courtships began early last year, around a formal dinner table at Georgetown's Four Seasons Hotel. Her targets were Morgan Stanley CEO John Mack and his wife, Christy. Mack was already active politically - but on behalf of Clinton's political opponents. A Bush "Ranger," he had raised at least $200,000 for the President's reelection bid'

Why is this man contributing to Hillary ?
What does he expect to get in return ??
Why does BUSINESS LOVE HILLARY ??
What promises is she making to business ??

Who are the 24% support Hillary ??
Are they Bush's old supporters hoping to jump from one sinking ship to another ?

When will we have a Democratic party that stands for the people instead of the corporations and the lobbyists ??

Answer: When Edwards and Obama are both on the 2008 Democratic ticket !!

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John B, Des Moines, IA — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:31:05 GMT

With Edwards it isn't just a likeability issue, it's also the message. He's focused solidly on helping the Middle Class, which is a winning message for Democrats if they'll use it.

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:31:21 GMT

From the LA Times:
WASHINGTON -- Democratic donor Norman Hsu said Wednesday that he would "refrain from all fundraising activities" until he resolved an outstanding warrant for his arrest stemming from a 1991 criminal case in San Mateo County.

Hsu, a major fundraiser over the last three years for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York

He'll suspend fund raising until Hillary issues a pardon !!
What other crooked fund raisers does Hillary employ ?
Is Mark Rich involved in Hillary's campaign ??

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vanreuter, NY NY — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:38:03 GMT

I like it that a poll that shows someone other than senator Clinton in the lead can be, "analyzed", as opposed to, "minimized", or completely discounted. Small sample size, anyone?

The Hsu, "scandal", is now reduced to snipes at which charity recipients of his largess will or have chosen to remove that fishy smell, now that the scope and number of,"lucky", winners of his favors expands hourly.

Posting the title of an anti- Senator Obama site that is as reprehensible as any that are dedicated to my personal choice, even used as another in a seemingly unending stream of cheap shots against HER, is in poor taste, and poor judgment.

The NYT article in today's main section, about that site, is instructive as to the kind of operatives behind these things. People who use these slanderous websites as, "sources", for their attacks should realize that they are bogus, no matter WHICH candidate's character they are using their agenda to try to assassinate.

Van

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Quinton, Pittsburgh, PA — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:38:19 GMT

In response to Doles of Miami... Actually polls conducted and released at the time showed that had Edwards of run for re-election to the senate in NC that he would have held his seat by a good margin. Several percent of people who voted for Burr said they would have voted for Edwards had he remained in the race. You can look this up easily with a few searches on google if you're interested.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:55:16 GMT

Sky-Captain; Didn't Mr. Edwards leave you orders to make sure the flower gardens were to be tilled before he returns to the big house on Friday? read upward about how Hillary is returning HER money she received from her Chinese connection. Very bad post sir.

Carrie; if Hsu is not found guilty on Federal charges, there is no justice in America.

I still remember the Time article about the Clinton's
in Iowa.

Bill spoke and all the women went wild......
Hillary spoke and everybody drifted off......

I tried to watch Hillary speak myself on CSPAN, but I keep falling asleep after 10 minutes........

She has all the charisma of a freshly painted wall...

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:11:01 GMT

Edwards hasn't pulled out of NV - he still has some staff there but he is focusing his efforts on Iowa. Like it or not, Iowa gives you a big bump and a big bump means more money, which Edwards needs.

If Edwards wins Iowa, it will not be because he had the most money or the most style or the best soundbites. It will be because he spent the most time communicating with the people of Iowa about the important issues facing this country. Retail politics versus wholesale politics. Sadly, I think that's becoming a thing of the past with the increasing importance placed on raising big money right out of the gate.

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Jennie Denver,CO — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:12:56 GMT

I think Edwards would make an amazing VP to Obama. Reading the posts defending HRC's campaign sort of sounds like the GOP defending Bush.

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Josh — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:16:25 GMT

Van,

I agree that the sudden change in feelings toward polling among some posters is a little curious.

What are your feelings about the poll? Is it less credible than the polls you cite that show Clinton ahead?

Not an attack, I'm just interested.

And for what it is worth, to me this poll is as meaningless as any other.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:22:12 GMT

Van , you are right about the NYT story, they were a little late.

The WSJ did a better job showing the criminal thinking of people associated with the Clinton Campaign.

I gather the fundraiser he was going to throw for Quincy Jones in New York has been cancelled. Hope the money has been refunded or we'll have another Hillary Scandal to deal with.

I see all the presidential candidates on the left have some kind of Hsu money. Hillary just got the biggest push because she is the darling of the left.

I can't wait to see what "charity" she gave the money to, so we can all see their paperwork. Van, get ready.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:26:46 GMT

I can see Edwards leading Iowa.....

Edwards has a family.....
Clinton has a cheating husband....

The race in the democratic side will come down to one thing......

Do the democrats want someone honest or not?......

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Felix, Littleton CO — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:27:08 GMT

Looks like Iowa voters are ignoring the "inevitable" Clinton hype and turning to the candidate who makes the most sense for ordinary Americans, whether blue collar or white: Anybody who lives by paycheck, large or small, not on accumulated wealth.

Edwards may be rich and there will be "gotcha" moments, but so are they all. He, at least grew up with ordinary working people, knows us, has a solid plan for healthcare, fighting global warming and has been much more honest about his stand on the Iraq war, past and present then Clinton. Hope his margin in the Iowa polls and elsewhere increases!

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Felix, Littleton CO — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:28:02 GMT

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Kristian O — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:31:33 GMT

It's only a matter of time before the Democratic race crystallizes and the misrepresentations of who and what people really are kicked to the curb. I will support whomever the democratic nominee is. What i won't do is sit back and allow the media to tell me that Hillary, or any candidate for that matter, is a lock. They'll have to earn it to get my vote.

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Doug, San Diego — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:34:19 GMT

Jerry, good morning! You're sounding logical and well reasoned this morning, which means of course that this is one of the rare cases in which I agree with you..LOL. Hillary really couldn't be an easier target for the right, as you demonstrate daily. She will not get my vote in the primary, though if she gets the nomination I will just hold my nose and vote for her. A note to those pointing up hypocrisy on either side of the aisle: Hypocrisy is spelled with an I, not an A.

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Spud, Delmont, PA — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:36:01 GMT

It's time we all use the Ignore this User button on jerry/corpus christi texas.
He just gets a rise out of all the attention paid to him

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Jessica, Monroe, WI — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:42:30 GMT

If you take into account the margin of error in this poll Iowa is virtually a 3 way tie. I personally would prefer Edwards to Clinton but Obama is my first choice.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:10:48 GMT

Josh-
Sadly, that you felt the need to state that your post wasn't an attack, is a reminder that those times I have afforded some here the courtesy of a reply, in the hopes of starting a dialog, it came to pass that it was the set-up for an attack.

One could call it the, "Lucy Van Pelt football maneuver". I liken it to a Venus Fly-Trap, using sweetness to lure the prey into a trap.

Our personal history here, limited as it is, gives me pause as to why my opinion would would interest you.
While there is a good chance, that your inquiry is well-meaning and sincere, the well, alas, has already been poisoned. It is a shame that it took less than 2 weeks to get to this point.

Van

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MK,MO — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:13:55 GMT

Doles, Miami, FL / edwards is the only dem who can win the general election

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HMT-MI — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:21:48 GMT

whatever happened to the Enron-Bush campaign money---- the Enron plane,the coronation money?Oh,that's right moneybags died---how conveeeenient.

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Bruce, NV — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:24:42 GMT

Carrie, Edwards has basically ceded NV. He pulled "a few people out".

He only had a few people.

John Edwards is too much the hypocrite to win election. He tells people, as he did yesterday, to give up their SUVs (although he has one), while he lives in a 30,000 sf house.

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Still Crazy After All These Years — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:27:05 GMT

jerry "Loves Me Like A Rock"-Simon and Garfunkel, refuses to "Turn the Page"-Seger, "I'm So Sorry Uncle Albert"Beatles and won't "Hey, You Get Off Of My Cloud"-Rolling Stones. "Imagination is breaking my heart"-Traveling Wilburys

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MK,MO — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:28:03 GMT

vanreuter, NY NY blathering aimlessly from his perch atop the trash heap proclaims / "Posting the title of an anti- Senator Obama site that is as reprehensible as any that are dedicated to my personal choice, even used as another in a seemingly unending stream of cheap shots against HER, is in poor taste, and poor judgment."

it's easy to take cheap shots at cheap people, hillary wants to surround herself with criminals because of her rabid lust for money and power, at the same time demanding she be treated as an honest human being, sorry doesn't work that way, her true self is finally being revealed to the masses, a most disgusting self it is

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:52:26 GMT

A couple of points. The polls are meaningless at this point in the race. Right now, name recognition still plays an enormous part in gaging voter preferences. In 2004 race, Dean and Gephart were leading the pack in Iowa, through December, 2003. Second of all, Edwards has been campaigning in Iowa, exhaustively, virtually since the 2004 election, 'as if he were campaigning for governor' (and by the way even though he's not my first choice, I like him). If he doesn't win in Iowa he might as well call it a wrap. Thirdly, Edwards would never accept a number two spot on the ticket again nor would he be offered it (look to Bill Richardson, Chris Dodd or even Jim Webb). The one thing that the pundits say that does carry weight with me is that the voters will weigh experience vs. change (with Clinton, Richardson, Biden and Dodd representing the experience wing and Obama, Edwards and Kucinich representing the change wing - sorry Senator Gravel, I don't know where to place you). Obviously, it's not so cut and dry as all can lay some claim to both qualities. Also perceptions of electability will color the voters' choice (i.e. negatives).
This is a very fluid race so the coronation process should be put on hold and should not dampen anyone's activity for their respective choices. After all, conventional wisdom dictates that a feisty campaign for the nomination will strengthen the Democratic candidate for November 2008, whoever it might be. And this is important because nothing should be taken for granted.

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eSPO — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:18:32 GMT

Although Iowa is not the be all and end all to projecting the outcome of this race , it is nice to see that Barack Obama is holding his own there. It gives me renewed faith in our country, that we have put some old thoughts and ideas to rest.

Obama/Edwards ?
Obama/Dodd ?
Obama/Biden ?
hmmmmm

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vanreuter, NY NY — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:27:47 GMT

MK,MO (Sent Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:28 PM)

Please take this in the spirit intended;

The reason why you won't see me responding to your childish taunts, which you apparently confuse with, "rapier-like wit", is not because I can't again expose you as petty, ridiculous, and borderline insane; As having succeeded in doing so in the past is the impetus for your resentment and priapism towards me, but the fact that just letting your stuff lay out there for all to see, in all it's ugliness, serves me just as well, if not better, than anything I might use in reply.

Please refer to this as my reply to any and all future missives directed towards me by you. You may continue to waste your time on me, but I won't waste any more on your foolish personal attacks.

Van

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:29:22 GMT

Felix - Was Hillary born with a silver spoon in her mouth? I honestly don't know. I was under the impression that she had a middle class upbringing.

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Dave, NY — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:54:54 GMT

Carrie... It depends on who she is talking with that day (her background).

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Josh — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:05:50 GMT

Van,

It truly is sad that I need to clarify that a remark is not an attack. However, the reason is not my own. I believe that the default response to any post directed at any particular person is to assume that it is an attack. That excludes neither you nor myself.

The reason your opinion interests me is because you seem to have an unusually profound respect and admiration for opinion polls. Yet all I ever hear about from you are the ones in which Clinton has a lead. Since you mentioned in your earlier post that you "like it that a poll that shows someone other than senator Clinton in the lead can be, "analyzed", as opposed to, "minimized", or completely discounted", I was curious as to whether you thought this poll was any better/worse than the ones you vehemently adhere to, simply because Edwards was the one leading.

It is unfortunate that a request as simple as this has to be explained over several posts, requiring most of one day, but I suppose that is just the nature of this uninformative beast that fronts as helpful tool for discourse.

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jtb — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:16:22 GMT

Bruce: now,let's be fair: Edward's house is ONLY 28,000 sq. ft.
Let's not imply he's a fat cat, or anything but a true populist. My god, only REPUBLICANS are filthy rich, and live in 30,000 sq.ft. homes: just ask Ted Kennedy

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Blue state baby — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:19:19 GMT

Carry, it is possible that she had a middle class upbringing. Thats a thing that will no longer be possible under bush's plan. By the way in your debates with Seirra SF, you win by a land slide.

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MK,MO — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:24:43 GMT

vanreuter, NY NY / van that's like the fifth time you told everyone you were no longer going to respond to my postings, can't you remember? have you had any other stroke like symptoms? may want to get that checked out that may explain some of your less than lucid postings. do you really think I could throw down a good rap chiefy, thanks you made my day

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H P Boston — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:34:19 GMT

Yes Carrie she had a middle class republican up bring. Her father was so frugal he turned the heat of at night.

She was educated in Massachusetts ,Wellesley college and then Law school, we will have a smart President again.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:50:06 GMT

Wasn't it Truman (and later Bill) who said "If you want to live like a Republican, vote Democrat?" Well, looks like Hillary took it one further and became a Democrat.

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Destin Tanero, Chattanooga, TN — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:47:05 GMT

GONG! Not Edwards either. He needs to go on the fired list to. His shoe's untied, see! Now look up, shut up, pack up, cause your going up! Amen, in the name of........? Uh! What's his mane again, now? Duh!
The Nation needs to become better aware, and more intuned. Everyone should read the book,
I, The Electric, The Spirit,
ISBN #, 1-4241-7929-7.
The author, Destin Tanero, from
Chattanooga, Tennessee, has equated the ultimate perception in this binding. It focuses on the political arena. Read it and visit his website:
www.destintanerobooks.com. Do this before you go to vote the next presidential election, scheduled. And currently being rehearsed, in silence.
Nitol.

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John B, Des Moines, IA — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:47:16 GMT

Kristian, very well put. I have my preference for presidential candidate. I'll vote for whomever is nominated by the Democrats. That's because I already know that the Republican nominee will favor unending continuation of the war in Iraq, furtherance of the authoritarian agenda, diverting money from public to religious schools, reduction in reproductive rights, expansion of preferential taxation of the wealthy, enshrining the evangelical fundamentalist Christian doctrine as the law of the land in violation of the Establishment clause, and a host of other things that work against not only my own personal interests and beliefs but I believe against the best interests of the United States.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:15:36 GMT

If this is a duplicate, I apologize;

Josh-

If I characterized you in the same way and with the same words as you have used above, how would you reply?

I don't remember ever calling any poll good or bad based on who was leading, and indeed I list links to all, or most of the polls, having no control or personal stake in their results and don't try to do anything more than to get others to access the sites and hopefully read something while they're there.

As an avowed supporter of Senator Clinton, I post polls that show her leading, but in all honesty, as she indeed does indeed lead most of them, National and State, I don't have to cherry-pick them to find one. In fact, the one I post as a stand alone most of the time, is the daily presidential tracking poll from Rasmussen.

I don't, as you imply, have an, "unusually profound respect and admiration for opinion polls.", but I, the hated (by many here) MSM, and the candidates themselves, use them as the most quantifiable means of gauging their support. What else is there? What else would you suggest we use in their place?

As to your question,

"I was curious as to whether you thought this poll was any better/worse than the ones you vehemently adhere to, simply because Edwards was the one leading."

To even attempt to answer a question posed that way, would validate your erroneous (and to me, like the tone of much of your reply), vaguely insulting, characterization, of me and my postings.

If you want to engage someone in a real dialog, say for example, me, it would behoove one to, at the very least, use neutral language to characterize the other person. maybe you are unaware that your depictions are less than flattering, maybe you'll think that I'm being overly sensitive, but I'm not kidding. You are an intelligent, well spoken young man, and I would welcome the chance to rise above, "...this uninformative beast that fronts as helpful tool for discourse.", but when the questions are reminiscent ( to me, again) of the old, "When did you stop beating your wife?", variety, it doesn't do a lot to encourage it

I think polls are, "snapshots", that show you a particular moment in time. An aggregate of several different polls averaged out, is IMO, a more accurate, "snapshot", than any single poll. A series of polls taken over the course of weeks or months, enables you to spot trends and movement. One poll is no better than the other, without context. Despite the fact that I am offended by your choice of words, I don't think that a poll showing John Edwards, Barack Obama, Denis Kucinich, Mike Paul, or anyone else in the lead, is any less valid than the ones that show Hillary Clinton leading. I would hope on your re-assessing your post to me you can see why what your question implies raises my suspicions of your intent, which I stated initially.
I would enjoy having an actual issues and political philosophy-based dialog here with SOMEONE, and hope that we can.

Van

Oh-eight (D): Edwards leads in IA poll

itsacheatinsituation — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:47:25 GMT

jerry....I wonder if rudy "cheated" on his 2nd wife before he announced his divorce through the media.

Oh-eight (D): Edwards leads in IA poll

Richard Slade, Springfield, Ohio — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:54:32 GMT

So we have John Edwards, a woman and a black guy..
Ya, I can see how this isn't in any way a win by default..

Oh-eight (D): Edwards leads in IA poll

jerry/corpus christi texas — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 04:36:05 GMT

A smart president H P?????

" Oh My, I didn't know Norman was a Criminal.......

Yeah and the big Dig in Boston came in under Budget LOL.......

let's see here......

H P likes Hillary because she is a woman....
Merle likes her because she is from Illinois......

If Edwards wins in Iowa, he'd better go after Hillary and the Chinese connection

Oh-eight (D): Edwards leads in IA poll

ki houston — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:06:18 GMT

Can you clowns drop the code talk and just say black. I am so tired of obviously racialy challanged pepole useing the word experence, when they realy want to say black. obama has been in elected office longer than clinton and have obviously made better decisions.You people are ridicules.

Oh-eight (D): Edwards leads in IA poll

Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:36:42 GMT

First it was MK with the gender obsession, now it is ki with the race-obsession. People, please - it is possible to support or not support a candidate independent of his or her gender and/or race. The only people who look like sexists and racists are people who constantly focus on that themselves.