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Bruce, NV — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:35:00 GMT

400 percent of poverty level? that's what, near 100k? So if I live in NY, I can drop my family coverage and put the kids on this stupid program, which will take money from Medicare?

Meanwhile, Senator Clinton doesn't see Hsu and Chung as analagous? She'll need a better defense than that; I'm not sure this will go away that quickly.

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Straight Up / AZ — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:51:04 GMT

They always have an excuse!!! This is why these paper hanging S.O.B's get elected. Now the court should slam the door on this paper hanger and throw away the key!!! This is part of why the moral content of our nation has gone to hell!! we put up with eight years of deceptions and scandal from these paper hanging Clintons and the nation needs to understand this is BullSh!t ,, We need not yesterdays scandals , this is a scandal and she was caught ""Again""!!!!

America must draft a one who has shown real and moral leadership, not this self serving crap!!! I want to puke on my key board as enough is enough!!!!!

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jds — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:51:29 GMT

Hillary Clinton returned "his money" (Hsu's)....

she of course neglects to mention she's keeping all

the money from Hsu's fundraisers.

The Clinton's continue to be misleading.

Hillary Clinton cannot win the general.

NO MORE CLINTONS IN THE WHITEHOUSE!

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RH Oregon — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:52:27 GMT

400% is $82,600.00 for a family of 4. That is making too much money for that family to get welfare money. It's twice as bad when that money is taken from Medicare/Medicaid funds. Sure find a way to get decent healthcare to poor folks, but 83G's a year ain't poor.
But then the point of Hillery's socialist agenda is to make us all dependent on the federal government. NOT to make government dependent on us.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:53:04 GMT

Okay.....so the guy had an arrest warrant for him. Big deal. I'm sure politicians don't do background checks on everyone who either donates money to their campaigns or raises contributions for them.
How else do you explain the 7.2 million dollars worth of campaign contributions that Republican candidates took from convicted criminals during the 2002 election cycle?
Hillary has offered to contribute the money to charity, which more than makes up for any oversight regarding this guy's background. It's "much to do, about nothing."

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vanreuter, NY NY — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:55:15 GMT

I'll be surprised if 75% the posts on this thread aren't slanderous, hate-filled rants. What won't be surprising will be the tag lines of the ranters.

When you receive tens of millions of dollars in contributions, as at least 8-10 of the candidates from both parties have already, there will be instances of the, "bundler's", being less than savory characters.

When another candidate's (and it could be yours.) contributions come into question, it will be interesting to see if the reactions and rhetoric are the same.

Van

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Dave, Tn — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:01:48 GMT

They'll be justifying euthanasia of the elderly and sick "for the children" soon.

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Straight Up / AZ — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:06:25 GMT

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Lyn, MD — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:18:01 GMT

This is really curious...I thought people who were around Presidents, Ex-presidents etc. were all vetted by the secret service. Considering how many fund raiser he has given and he is a Hillraiser, he was never screened by SS. Somebody called the Treasury Dept these guys are lax on their job !!

Or maybe they did know and didn't care...after all it was MONEY !!!

Give us a break are the MSM buying this excuse?

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Straight UP /AZ — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:27:09 GMT

Has America got enough Problems?? Problems which the Washington Paper Hangers have invented! Our youth being exploited again in a senseless war, meager shame of voting to continue supporting a civil war. No solutions which are valid to address why we continue to elect a failed Paper hanger who is self serving to their agenda, we have watched America being stripped of moral and ethical cotent. The present paper hangers have not solutions which bring change, they present typical Washington dialogue which has two sides, self serving and useless waste of the tax dollar.

What was the amount of man power hours and tax dollars spent on the Clinton scandals?? What did America gain from all the scandal?? Like this war being now reflected as Vietnam , Today announced Clintons caught accepting monies from a wanted felon??
Are we going to see the Clintons again turn the White House into a sewer drain.

I need to puke!

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CJ — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:50:23 GMT

83g's is rich where I'm from..but considering the cost of living in some areas you may have to revise your statement RH.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:51:14 GMT

I need to puke!

Straight UP /AZ (Sent Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:27 PM)

You have.

Van

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CJ — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:52:24 GMT

I think her statment was good enough. If the police didn't stop this guy, what do you expect a campaign to do as far as vetting? Just do what every politician has done and donate the money.

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Jim Schlesinger, Chouteau Montana — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:03:10 GMT

The Clintons have always been corrupt. Just when we thought we had the Repugnantcans on the ropes with their scandals-a-day politicos and officials, here comes our own sleazey Clintons to act as the Demos countervailing equivalent. NO MORE sleazy and corrupt Clintons.

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Lee Holmes — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:03:53 GMT

J Merle. When you have come down off of your partisan Olympus,you will be reminded that the Clintons have a long history of accepting monies from criminals and other shady characters. In her husbands day it was people like cocaine kingpin Jorge Cabrenas, the Riadys, Charlie Trie and Johnny Chung, and the Gambino crime family. Hillary is getting ready to go to court[Sept. 7 in Los Angeles] as a portion of a lawsuit aimed at her for accepting illegal campaign monies from Tinseltown bigwigs. Apart from this, both of the Clintons refuse to make public, monies for speaking fees her husband made while in Saudi Arabia,the Emirates,including Dubai,Qatar,and Bahrain. Ground Zero for al Qaeda and the bin Ladens whose loot and influence can be demonstrably traced to members of the royal family[Saud],who have bankrolled the Clintons. Such seedy dealings are de rigure for the Clintons. Why a substantial portion of America demands an individual who will be as divisive to this nation as a Bush or a Bill,thus continuing the fracturing of this country, to the total advantage to its enemies, is beyond the ken of this poster.

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RH Oregon — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:06:13 GMT

Nope. No revision. If you make $83,000.00 a year, in America anywhere, you absolutly do not need to qualify for federal welfare. Be that healthcare, or food stamps. Period.

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Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:06:38 GMT

SLOW NEWS DAY ? OK, NOW GO FIND SOME "REAL" NEWS.

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RH Oregon — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:07:36 GMT

And if your pulling 83 grand a year, you will be in a job that offers at least basic healthcare.

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Ryan, MA — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:08:46 GMT

Good point Lyn...where was the Secret Service? What does she mean she didn't know? She surrounds herself with felons and she doesn't know? This wasn't some passing contributor on her website, this was a major fundraiser.

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Ashe, SF CA — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:16:37 GMT

Ah, the Hillary mouthpieces are in full force spinning for the Old Bird. For someone with "35 years of experience" she seems to lack good judgment.

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John Rolands, Houston, TX — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:22:25 GMT

Last week, Detroit attorney Geoffrey Fieger, best known for his high-profile defense of assisted suicide advocate Jack Kevorkian, was charged with conspiring to channel $127,000 in illegal contributions to the 2004 presidential campaign of John Edwards.

Why is media elites harrasing Hillary for the sin of other while turning cheek when it happens to other candidates. Bunch of hypocrites.

Obama and others also receive donations from Mr. Hsu. Politicians have no control over the actions of those who donates money to their campaign. All these smear attempts will fail as usual. Thank you.

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Terry, Disabled Vet, Des Moines, IA — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:28:24 GMT

Abolish all contributions except federal campaign dollars, I don't care if it is Dem or Repuk. The problem with our politcal system is freaking money (GREED).

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rs — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:32:16 GMT

Republicans are so desperate for any hint of scandal to shift the focus to democrats, they will grasp at straws, and that is just what they are doing as evidenced by some of these bloggers - grasping at straws. Hey, why don't you go find a bathroom in Union Station and find some real problems?

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Rita, VA — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:34:39 GMT

John, I agree with you in part. Candidates have no control of the actions of their contributors. But to say a person that is this close to you for this long and not just your average contributor. This gave has raised over 1million for her senate campaign and is now a Hillraiser pledging to raise 100k. You know these people and at the very least they have Secret Service protection and people are routinely vetted that are that close to a President and his wife.

So HOW did they not KNOW????

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MK,MO — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:36:12 GMT

John Rolands, Houston, TX / edwards refused to take money from Mr. Hsu., nuff said

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:43:35 GMT

RH - That's not necessarily true. You can pull in twice that much as an attorney, and if you work for a small enough firm they are not required to offer health insurance or other benefits. I have a friend who works for a small firm with 5 attorneys and a couple of paralegals. They don't offer benefits.

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pservelle, Palm Springs, CA — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:45:39 GMT

"facts" are slippery little devils; one person's facts are another persons...
but, can we agree that the Clinton have known Hsu for quite a long time and that over this extended period Hsu has sent hundreds of thousands their way...does this strike anyone that Hsu is just one of the faceless donors that Hillary is honored to have...well, do y'a bub?

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:46:50 GMT

Lee Holmes,
Oh PLEASE come down off the soap-box, take a deep breath and slap some cold water on your face! It would seem you are rather deleriously trying to say that the Clintons alone represent all that is evil with campaign financing today.
I would remind you that our current "resident" at 1600 Pa. Avenue, George W. Bush, accepted close to $50,000.00 in illegal campaign contributions from financier Tom Noe, and Noe is currently serving a two years sentence in Federal Prison for his part in a money laundering sheme which sent that money to Bush.
This isn't the only case of "dirty money" that went to Bush/Cheney in either 2000 or 2004.
Jack Abramoff contributed more than $6,600.00 to Bush's re-election campaign which had to be given back. (But, not until it was publicly disclosed that the money came from Abramoff.)
Furthermore, almost a year after the eelction was over, the F.E.C. admonished Bush/Cheney 2004 for taking money from illegal sources, though the story was supressed in the media.
Then of course we have the whole Tom DeLay money laundering scheme and his upcoming trial on those charges, and the FEC investigation into A Beverly Hills Fund rasing scheme which netted "Ahhhhnald" more than 100K.
Oh yeah and while we're on the topic let's remember to mention the 7.2 million dollars that went to Republican candidates in 2002 from people with criminal records.
So.....PLEASE don't try to do the "lets' demonize the Clintons'" thing with me.
Cause it dont work here.

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Josh — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:46:53 GMT

Of course it is impossible to check up on every donor. But you would think that she would check on the ones making the largest donations. The Hillraisers are those who pledge to raise $100,000 for Clinton, of which Hsu is one. There can't be so many of those that they can't make sure they are legit.

That goes for every candidate, not just Clinton.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:48:43 GMT

....and one more thing Lee.........don't EVEN go ther about the House of Saud when the Bush family has it's collective head up Prince Bandar's rectum!

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Rick Lapin, Albuquerque, NM — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:53:12 GMT

Well, duh -- she told you flat out where she was at with that "Sopranos" campaign ad.

That is how one practices deception in this Best Of All Modern Ages: Just put the stark truth right out there and watch the yokels laugh it off as some kind of far-fetched gag.

And then later, when the populace complains, you find an artful way of saying (like The Snake in Al Wilson's memorable song): "'Oh shut up, silly woman,' said the reptile with a grin. 'You knew damn well I was a snake before you let me in ... '"

Eight more years of the same old shit? Angels and Ministers of Faith defend us ...

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Jeffersonian Don ,Ada , Ok. — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:00:45 GMT

Here is a rant for all. I hear Clinton this ,and Bush that .Has anyone stopped to think they'er all polititians .I do not presume to base my morals or my personal beliefs on a politician reguardless of thier political reflection. Again a man or woman is seen by thier actions not words .Clinton the 1st overall did well for America as by what was seen by the overall global population has seen , Bush is doing piss poor by global population standards ,but what does it matter when they all change thier political party line as they change thier underwear. They all recieve campaign contributions from the same corrupt corporate entities ;eg. law firms ,real estate, big oil, prescription drug, and lobbyist all. Know knowing that who do you think owns thier loyalty?

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your average democrat — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:01:18 GMT

Doesn't matter what crimes the Clinton's commit as long as we get our power back.

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John Rolands, Houston, TX — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:01:22 GMT

Security service? Even the whole of New York police department or any other law enforcement agency are not aware that Mr. Hsu is wanted for for his past. This is just a smear campaign. The same standard is not applied to other candidates.

Detroit attorney Geoffrey Fieger is facing a jail time for donations made to Edwards campaign, nobody is making noise about that. Other candidate also received contribution from Mr. Hsu including Obama.

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jtb — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:03:41 GMT

Hiliary was surprised... you're joking, right?

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Corbin Shaw, Lima, Ohio — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:03:51 GMT

Yes, this doesn't suprise me at all. Another Clinton in the White House would be a mess. Neither one of them are reputable and seem to always be up to something. VOTE NO FOR HILARY!!!

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GAB, Austin, TX — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:14:30 GMT

Gee Lee...how far back do you want to go. George H Bush and Barbara's grandfathers who were buds sold Nazi war bonds in America. Nothing is black and white.
George H Bush has long been great friends with the Saudi's. Prince Bandar is considered a family member. That is until he got so pissed off at junior he quit as Ambassor to the U.S. Any idea how much money George H. made making speeches in the middle east? Neither party gives a damn about you and me so stop acting like the Repubs do!

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Nick Dorsey — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:19:05 GMT

Watch out, the Pile On is in full force. It will make the win all that much sweeter.( BTW, hope it's Hillary, but whoever the Dem is, that's the way it's going down.)

The Secret Service, yeah I'm sure they investigate every big donor. Besides he was wanted for a nonviolent crime, off the usual SS radar. An even better theory. They knew, but didn't tell her. After all, they work for the President

Why am I even defending against such drivel? At least it's refreshingly individualistic and somewhat quirky. Not an RNC usual talking point that most slavishly regurgitate.

And just to carry this to the point of absurdity, why didn't the SS ferret him out when he gave big bucks to Kerry, or 5K to Obama? I also heard that he gave 32K to Bush to hedge his bets and slept in the White House! Is that OK? It was rumored Bush's dog slept at the foot of the bed, he was so well liked. Do you think Bush would let his beloved dog consort with a fugitive criminal, even for a big donation. OOPS, maybe so. Naw, not even Bush is that heartless, or is he? Maybe only with a nonviolent criminal.

On second thought, maybe heads should roll at the SS. After all the Prexy might have been in dire danger from a conman and even more so, his dog was. But then, this dovetails nicely with the idea that they did know and he knew.

Go ahead and try to divert attention from Craig. I hope the issue lingers on like stink on a skunk. I pray the esteemed Senator is brave/brazen/dumb enough to try to run for reelection. It will divert much need money from other more Democratic winnable races and maybe even give someone a shot at beating him. After all, Idaho did once have a pretty darn good Democratic Senator by the name of Frank Church.

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Hal, DC — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:30:00 GMT

J Merle, Let me make sure i get your point ...because Bush and the republicans did it, then it's OK for Democrats to be just as corupt.

So everthing we have yelled and screamed about the last 8 years was just for show.

Then we should expect it to be OK if they do it for another 4-8 years.

Will it ever stop !!!

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MK,MO — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:34:21 GMT

J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY / saying that hillary and bush have the same amount of integrity is an interesting way to bolster your claim that hillary should be the next president, but it does clarify that clinton is and has been part of the problem in washington for some time, as I have said before there is not much difference between hillary and the repub candidates when you closely examine her, thanks for proving my point

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Claire Montey, Allentown, PA — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:36:15 GMT

Clinton, surprised? Probably true. Surprised she got caught. The money laundering scheme was thought to be fail-safe.

Time for "Our Gal" to put on the tap-shoes. Worse comes to worst, bring in Bill, and say that the Rupublicans do it too.

HC: "If you need money laundered, I'm your gal!!"

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MK,MO — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:36:49 GMT

your average democrat / "Doesn't matter what crimes the Clinton's commit as long as we get our power back."

yikes

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MK,MO — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:45:50 GMT

notice how the republican machine hasn't made a peep about any of the negative little hiccups the clinton campaign has experienced lately? it is as obvious as the nose on your face that the repubs want her nominated so they can rip her to shreds before the general election, dead lady walking

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:55:47 GMT

MK, what are you smoking over there, hemp? You are obviously hallucinating.
I never said that Hillary and Bush have the "same amount of integrity," and I disagree with you concerning who's the problem in Wasghington.
Thank you for proving MY point that Hillary-Haters will bend other people's words, bend the truth, spin, and all out LIE just to demonize her.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester. NY — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:56:52 GMT

MK....who do YOU support for the Presdidency in '08?"

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Jeffersonian Don, Ada ,Ok. — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:07:36 GMT

yikes ,is right. I can not believe what I read in the blog rooms .Do any of you realize how polarized you all are? "We the people" ,this means AMERICANS .This is a phrase that 1st and foremost should resonate in every one of you.Do the lot of you not realize how the political elite have manipulated you into back biting ,nashing ,and over all hating the other side. Its so bad that you do not even realize you do not matter! The political elite care about money ,not your sons or daughters in IRAQ. money; not your house morgage ,or insurance rates. Money; not your likes or dislikes.They manipulate situations to create polarization so you will not see real issues . Those said issues are going to cost you in the long run. The elite do not plan for a day or month ,but in decades .You plan for tomorrows blog , or where you will buy the cheapest gas! Get a grip AMERICA "WE the people" united WE stand ,devided we are fleeced.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:10:36 GMT

It would seem to me MK, that people who HATE Hillary don't care whether the allegations they make about her are true, or just plain made up.
As long as its' something that might sew doubt in someone else's mind about Hillary, you'll say it.
It doesn't matter whether it's a balls out LIE or not.
You'll say anything, spew any sort of virtiol you can come up with, and/or repeat any lie if there's even the slightest chance that it might cause someone else to hate Hillary as much as you hate her.
That's sad statement about the honesty, and the veracity of the people who oppose Senator Clinton.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:12:00 GMT

MK, I'll ask you again....who do YOU support in 2008? For some reason you don't want to tell us.

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JG San Antonio, TX — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:12:21 GMT

Everyone is focusing on the arrest warrant. That isn't the real problem. The real problem is the low income family (and potentially how many others in a similar income level) among the contributors he bundled who donated many thousands of dollars. It isn't realistically possible apparently for the money to have been theirs. Where did the money really come from and who knows about using "substituted" donors to hide money coming in -- The real problem is the contributions and whether or not they were legal.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:12:36 GMT

MK supports Edwards...I think. Or maybe anyone who doesn't have mommy parts?

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Les H. Tampa, Florida — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:15:04 GMT

"The Clinton have always been currupt"

Jim Schlesinger; Choutean, Montana.

Well now, i am sure you have the FBI, The CIA and maybe Fredo's / Karl Rove's(warrentless anybody?) Files on the Clinton's. You must do, considering you were affirmative of their corruptness.

Hillary4President08

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Nick Dorsey — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:18:31 GMT

I beg to differ with the "[d]oesn't matter what crimes the Clinton's(sic) commit..."

We will only accept nonviolent crimes, Rove and Bush bashing permitted, and no going into restrooms and soliciting sex.

Some of you here are delusional and not just Republicans. Do you think the present Republican candidates and their minions, over whom they of course have no control, will play by the Marquis of Queensburry's rules.

Yes, by God we need someone who can play just as tough and mean, and rough and tumble with the worst of them.
In my estimation Hillary can do this and maybe Edwards. I'm not sure Obama has the stomach for it and maybe he's better as the VP guy.

That's just about the only way we Dems will get our power back and to hell with Goody Two Shoes. You just about have it right, MK. Take no prisoners.

This ain't going to be a tea party.

I've been involved in Democratic politics since I was about 8 years old, from putting up yard signs to campaign manager/fund raiser and contributor, to state level candidate/office holder. I've been at it for a good while (Hint: I served during the Vietnam fiasco) and I consider the upcoming campaign on all levels, fm Pres to Dog Catcher, to be the most critical of my lifetime.

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Kristian O — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:02:50 GMT

What is it with you Hillaryites that every time something "shady" comes up relative to her, you guys/gals start experiencing bowel movement that drives you off the deep end?
Nobody's perfect. The last thing I'll do is blame someone for something they had no control over. Hsu's a roach that likes currying favor by raising money for candidates in major elections. The problem is the holier than tou statements that are made by candidates about other candidates when something like this comes up. Then when it happens to them they whine and cry for MOMMY.
Ain't that something?

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Rick Lapin, Albuquerque, NM — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:17:08 GMT

Nick --

Yes, let's destroy what's left of our political system in order to save it. Let's get down and dirty! Although I fail to see what questionable campaign contributions have to do with Saving the Republic, or just exactly how they contribute to a President we can all get behind and even (dare I say it?) admire, I leave you with the following bit of dialog from "A Man for All Seasons"; and sincerely request that you consider the fact that when you accept the rationale for adopting the enemy's mind-set, tactics, and ethos, you have for all practical purposes become the enemy yourself.

WILLIAM ROPER: So, now you give the Devil bebefit of law!

SIR THOMAS MORE: Yes! What would you do? Cut a greast road through the law to get after the Devil?

ROPER: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

MORE: Oh? And when the last law was down. and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

We will not get out of this shit-heap, y'all, by burrowing deeper into it.

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JB Florida — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:31:04 GMT

That's sad statement about the honesty, and the veracity of the people who oppose Senator Clinton.

Almost as sad as the honesty, and the veracity of the people who stand with Senator Clinton.

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Lee Holmes — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:34:42 GMT

Merle: You are being disingenous. My consistantly hammered-upon point is that the Business As Usual in Washington must stop. Hillary is not the progenitor of change. She is merely another chapter in a long series of What Is Wrong With America.

GAB: A big mouth does not make a big man [or woman]. My post never mentions the ''Repubs''. In others,however,the viewer may be witness to my detailed chronicling of GOP misdeeds and blunders. Yet Hillary would merely continue this cycle. The Nazis are a dead race. Yet Mr.Hsu is still wanted in California. Mr.GHW Bush has indeed,given speeches to the Saudis. SO has algore,and Bill Clinton as recently as this summer. If America is to indeed ''go forward'',it must break with the damaging chaff of the past. Thus far,all we are seeing is 1993-redux with the usual shady characters. Terry McAullife,who should be in a fed lockup for what he pulled with the TEAMSTERS. John Podesta, Howard Wolfson, and a galaxy of old-guard fellow Clintonistas that headed up one of the Democrat parties most crooked periods in its recent history. As we speak, Democrat lobbyists by the hundreds are converging on K St. to continue their bought-and-paid-for influence of American government. Of the Party,By the Party,and For the Party,which will enrich them and their stooge legislators, and ruin the rest of us.

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Nick Dorsey — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 01:00:13 GMT

I beg to differ with the "[d]oesn't matter what crimes the Clinton's(sic) commit..."

We will only accept nonviolent crimes, Rove and Bush bashing permitted, and no going into restrooms and soliciting sex.

Some of you here are delusional and not just Republicans. Do you think the present Republican candidates and their minions, over whom they of course have no control, will play by the Marquis of Queensburry's rules.

Yes, we need someone who can play just as tough and mean, and rough and tumble with the worst of them.
In my estimation Hillary can do this and maybe Edwards. I'm not sure Obama has the stomach for it and maybe he's better as the VP guy.

That's just about the only way we Dems will get our power back and to hell with Goody Two Shoes. You just about have it right, Avg.Dem. Take no prisoners.

This ain't going to be a tea party.

I've been involved in Democratic politics since I was about 8 years old, from putting up yard signs to campaign manager/fund raiser and contributor, to state level candidate/office holder. I've been at it for a good while (Hint: I served during the Vietnam fiasco) and I consider the upcoming campaign on all levels, fm Pres to Dog Catcher, to be the most critical of my lifetime.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 04:05:31 GMT

When it comes to getting some Chinese money......

Hillary did learn from the best........

Merle is just looking for any kind of democrat leadership, since the state of New York offers none..

No wonder Hillary went up there........

She saw the state was lacking leadership.........

Only problem was.......

Her idea of leadership is more like Tony Soprano.....

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TOM (N.Y.) — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:32:32 GMT

WHAT TYPE OF ARREST WARRANT IS OUT FOR MR. NORMAN HSU?
NO ONE HEREIN HAS MENTIONED THE FACT(S). IS IT FOR A
MOVING VIOLATION? WHAT?
AFTER ALL, IT COULD NOT BE ALL THAT SERIOUS CONSIDERING THE STATEMENT MADE BY SENATOR H. CLINTON..
"AND I WISH MR. HSU WELL IN DEALING WITH THE PROBLEMS
HE'S CONFRONTING."
IF THE ALLEGATIONS ARE TRUE, AND MR.HSU IS CONVICTED
OF WHATEVER CRIME - IT SEEMS FAIR TO SAY AND MEAN THAT
MR.HSU HAS CAST A TAINTED SHADOW UPON THE SIGNIFICANCE
REGARDING THE HISTORIC STATUE AND CHARACTER PRESUMED BY THE ONE AND/OR ONE'S ASPIRING TO BE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES.
AFTER ALL IS SAID AND DONE, EXACTLY WHAT IS MR. HSU'S
MOTIVE - IF IN FACT HE IS PROVEN TO BE A CRIMINAL.
BECAUSE IT IS A KNOWN FACT IN MODERN DAY AMERICA - THAT ONE OR OTHERS WHO DONATE TO A CANDIDATE EXPECT
SOMETHING IN RETURN OF EQUAL OR GREATER VALUE - BE IT
THE WEALTH THAT MONEY BRINGS OR THE POWER OF POLITICS.
NOT THAT THIS IS NECESSARILY A BAD THING - BUT THAT
AMERICA CAN DO A WHOLE LOT BETTER THAN EMPLOYING THE
CRIMINAL(S) FOR ITS GAINS. GAINS OF THIS CALIBER ULTIMATELY LACK THE CHARATER OF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS -
INCLUDING LINCOLN,TEDDY AND FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT,AND
RONALD REGAN!
ANYTHING LESS AND/OR IF A CADIDATE CHOOSES NOT TO PAY
ATTENTION TO DETAIL, OR IS SWAYED BY THE DECEITFUL
SMILES,NICETIES,AND PRETEND POLITENESS OF THOSE WHO HAVE EITHER ERASED,IGNORE,AND OR COULD CARE LESS WHO
THE FATHER OF THIS COUNTRY IS - OR WHO HOP ABOARD THE
CRIMINAL BANDWAGON - DO NOT DESERVE TO MARCH ALONG SIDE THE NEXT PERSON WHO MAY OR BECOMES THE PRESIDENT
OF THE UNITED STATES. THE BOTTOM LINE IS...
THE PRESIDENCY IS A SACRED OFFICE OF DUTY TO HONOR AND
COUNTRY. ANYONE ENTERING MUST FIRST FILL THE SHOES OF
THOSE MENTIONED ABOVE - AT THE VERY LEAST! IF THEY
CANNOT THEN DO NOT - OTHERWISE AMERICA'S TIME AND
HERITAGE IS A WASTE. AND, IF THE ONE WHO ENTERS THE
OVAL OFFICE (NOT NECESSARILY FOR THE FIRST TIME) CAN-
NOT DEFEND WHAT THE "FALLEN" HAVE FELL FOR - THEY SHOULD NOT BOTHER TO ENTER FOR THE FIRST TIME OR EVER
AGAIN. THIS IS THE ISSUE AT HAND FOR THE NEXT PRESIDENT - RESTORE THE NAMES OF WASHINTON AND LINCOLN
TO OUR FAITHFUL CALENDER, AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLIGENCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN OUR CLASS ROOMS ONLY THEN WILL WE BE ABLE TO DISCOVER AND/OR IDENTIFY WHO THE "DOMESTIC ENEMIES" ARE.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester NY — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:40:14 GMT

Hal in DC.....
First off your question .....
("...because Bush and the republicans did it, then it's OK for Democrats to be just as corupt.
So everthing we have yelled and screamed about the last 8 years was just for show.
Then we should expect it to be OK if they do it for another 4-8 years.
Will it ever stop !!!")
.....is completely NULL and VOID.
Hillary hasn't been accused, indicted, arrested, or convicted of ANYTHING here. One of her donors had a warrant out for his arrest. There is no requirement that mandates background checks on people who donate to political campaigns.
Therefore, this is neither hear fault, nor her repsonsibility.
But, the "we hate Hillary club" has chosen to try and get as much mileage out of this as they possibly can.
I'd like to know when THAT sort of thing is going to stop.(?) That is the kind of politics the republiCANTS have engaged in for the last 27 years.
So, simply because someone within our own party supports another candidate for the nomination, they go along with the yacking and screaming about something that Hillary had no control over?
When, oh when, will we get to a plateau where we run political campaigns on the abilities of OUR candidates, instead of the shortcomings of others, and when will we try to win elections, without personally destroying our opponants. Thats why I'd like to know.

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kenn"one day BUSHS house of cards will fall on you"O — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:06:44 GMT

JACK ABROMOFF JACK ABROMOFF JACK RIPMEOFF JACK JERKUOFF TALK ABOUT YOUR TWO FACES JUST REMEMBER WHATS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDERKARL ROVE TAUGHT ME THAT"YOU CAN GO F YOURSELF<DONT WORRY CRAIG WILL DO IT OR VITTER OR FOELY HASSERT WHO ELSE KNEW AND KEPT IT QUIET.

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Scott — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:10:23 GMT

Same old story, different candidate. She took a play out of the republican play book. I didn't know he was a crook. Well, if we elect her we know things won't change.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:21:12 GMT

Use of Bundlers Raises New Risks for Campaigns
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
Published: August 31, 2007

WASHINGTON, Aug. 30 — In amassing $52 million in campaign contributions in the first half of this year, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton relied on a platinum pyramid of 233 “Hillraisers,” including the movie director Steven Spielberg, the party powerbroker Vernon E. Jordan Jr., and the real estate mogul William C. Rudin.
Another, less famous name on the list, however, has proven a liability to Mrs. Clinton: Norman Hsu, a business executive who turned out to be wanted in connection with a fraud case in California.

Mr. Hsu came into the picture with the advent of bundlers, wealthy and well-connected surrogates who can collect stacks of campaign checks from friends, family members and associates.

The system is a byproduct of the $2,300 cap on individual contributions, which has led campaigns to ask their biggest supporters to go beyond simply making donations and to pass the hat. Pioneered in an organized way by George W. Bush in 2000, it has become increasingly important because of the 2002 campaign finance laws that closed the spigot of unrestricted “soft money” from corporations and other big donors through the political party campaign committees.

The six leading primary campaigns have listed a total of nearly 2,000 bundlers.

The reliance on bundlers has exploded this year because, for the first time in three decades, the major candidates are planning to turn down public financing in favor of raising and spending money without being subject to any limit.

But the proliferation of bundlers, and the ambitious fund-raising goals set out for them by cash-hungry campaigns, has opened the door to a host of embarrassing entanglements, including Mrs. Clinton’s ties to Mr. Hsu and President Bush’s connections to the jailed lobbyist Jack Abramoff.
Although Mr. Hsu is wanted for arrest because he failed to appear in court for a fraud case 15 years ago, he has not been accused of other wrongdoing. His lawyer has denied any campaign finance violations.

Still, by outsourcing the solicitation of individual donors to an ad hoc assemblage of the self-interested and the idealistic, the system has exposed campaigns to new risks.

It is harder for campaigns to be sure bundlers do not bring in money from illegal contributors.

And, campaign lawyers say it is virtually impossible for campaigns to ensure that wealthy bundlers are not, in effect, underwriting contributions from employees, friends or family.
Lawrence E. Bathgate II, a New Jersey lawyer who is a former Republican National Committee chairman and a bundler for Senator John McCain of Arizona, said campaigns were forced to rely on the judgments of surrogates.

“No candidates can know everybody who is out there raising funds for them,” Mr. Bathgate said. “They have to rely on the person who is part of their team, to make sure that person is being very judicious.”

Mrs. Clinton, of New York, is hardly the only current presidential candidate with a bundler who has had trouble with the law. Of the more than 500 bundlers recognized by Mr. Bush’s presidential campaigns, about a dozen have come under investigation for legal violations related to their business dealings. One was Mr. Abramoff, who is serving a prison sentence for bribery.

Another was Thomas Noe, an Ohio bundler, who pleaded guilty to embezzling state money and illegally laundering contributions through his employees.

Mitt Romney’s campaign for the Republican presidential nomination primary recently returned a $2,300 contribution from Alan B. Fabian, a Maryland bundler indicted on fraud and money laundering charges. The campaign has retained contributions Mr. Fabian solicited on its behalf.

Last week, Geoffrey Fieger, a lawyer best known for representing Dr. Jack Kevorkian in his trial for assisting suicides, was indicted on charges of illegally funneling more than $125,000 to the 2004 Democratic presidential campaign of John Edwards through straw donors.

Senator Barack Obama of Illinois, another Democratic contender, has given to charity more than $32,000 raised for his Senate campaigns and political action committee by Antoin Rezko, a bundler who was indicted last fall on charges of influence peddling at the Illinois Statehouse and fraud in business.

What is more, although it is illegal for a bundler to reimburse a contributor, bundlers often ask for contributions from people on their payroll. All the campaigns have reported concentrations of contributions from employees of companies where a top executive is a bundler. And it is standard practice for bundlers to encourage their lawyers, accountants, business partners and family members to make contributions.

(read the whole article here)
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/31/us/31bundlers.html?_r=1&ref=washington&oref=slogin

They are all doing the same thing, so they are all guilty of the same thing. When it's obvious that this isn't something that the Hillary-haters can tar and feather her with, without their own choice, republican and democrat, getting dirty too, it will cease to be an issue.
Public financing is the only real answer. Let this be the LAST Presidential campaign where the specter of the moneymen and shady operators looms over the process.
If your candidate ISN'T for public financing of campaigns, ask why.

Van

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MK,MO — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:23:46 GMT

J. Merle Stanley, Westchester NY / so I guess hillary taking money from criminals is OK? I suspect most people would think hillary getting caught taking money from criminals is not exactly a feather in her hat, best get used to trying to defend clinton on her less than honest activities because this is just the tip of the iceberg, in the coming days more and more details of her criminal activities will be released, if I were her I fade off into the sunset now and avoid the exposure of more dirty little hillary facts, maybe even prosecution, I hate to see another so-called high profile politician put behind bars

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American Voter — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:30:21 GMT

Liar!

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Class Warrior, D.C. — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:29:44 GMT

...And Bathroom Stalker Craig was a big surprise to Romney, and Foley was a big surprise to the REpublicans, and Bil Clinton's affair was a big surprise to the Dems...Hillary, too, no doubt. If you can't see what's right in front of you, you probably shouldn't have the power of the purse OR the Bomb.

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Trinity, dallas, tx — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:44:18 GMT

Finally, someone I can agree with. Thanks "Z" for asking the real question, "Isn't there any real news to talk about?"

However, since the Repugs do not have anything else to do but "cry wolf," by talking about morality and integrity, then let's talk about Sen. Craig, Sen. Vittor, Carl Rove, Alberto Gonzales, Sec of Bumsfeld, General Pace, etc...

Oh yeah, that's right, if you do someting "in the name of supporting the USA," then all is forgiven, just ask Scooter, or Ollie, or Richard, or for that matter, ask Alberto - he is next...

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trinity, Dallas, TX — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:04:33 GMT

American Voter

"Liar!"

Tell me, do you feel this way about the war in Iraq, the warrantless wiretaps, Abu Ghraib, the torturing of human beings, or the outing of Valeri Plame? No? I did not think so. Hypocrite!

It must be a really difficult cross for you to bear. Of course, i mean this "I know everything," persona must be a real bitch. Except, i am sure, when you get together with all of your rich "Christian" friends, and sit around the fireplace to kick around a few "libs." During these times, it must be a real joy. You must be a very happy person. Not!

God bless you. Ya think?

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Willie T. Tubbs, Texas Red — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:30:48 GMT

Her [Hillary's] idea of leadership is more like Tony Soprano.....

Fact!!

Just ask Vince Foster.

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Lee Holmes — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:38:35 GMT

Spitzer appears with Hillary in order to put a sheen of respectability on the Hsu deal until we find out that Hsu gave over 60 grand to Spitzers gubenatorial campaign. Hillary is a rather artless liar,at the end of the day.

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cornello britto, dubai, uae — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:21:21 GMT

If you need to give to charity, give it to me as I require charity for a decent average life. can send you my bank details.

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Shawn Greenville, AL — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:48:20 GMT

Hillary Hsu = dirty money = Bill