Democratic retreat on Iraq?

bb — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:37:57 GMT

Its Bushs war, always has been, always will be.

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Gail, Dallas,Tx. — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:42:04 GMT

BUNCH OF WIMPS!!!!

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:46:13 GMT

If you can't change the votes to get everything you want, sometimes you have to settle for getting some of what you want. That's a part of life, just as it is a part of politics. I wish the Dems had a bigger margin and were more cohesive on this issue, but that's just not the reality we face. Until they do have a bigger margin or more votes supporting their legislation, they have to compromise and make concessions if they want to get anything done.

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O'Fearghaill — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:05:40 GMT

And happens when the bill gets to the Presidents' desk and he veto's it? Are we to believe that they might actually vote to cut the funding? Yeah right. I think the Democrats would do themselves good by getting new leadership. Pelosi and Reid apparently don't have either back bones or guts.

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Impeach Bush and Cheney — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:17:40 GMT

Why get anything done. Congress is held in such low esteem why worry. Send no bills for any votes, HOLD BACK ALL FUNDING. The power of the purse is with the House, use it. Spend the last gasp of the shrubs term to IMPEACH!

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RH Oregon — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:19:54 GMT

And note, America did not want to give them a bigger margin. They did not and do not have a "mandate from the people", that they wish for. The reality is finally meeting the anti-Bush psyco-babble. Any talk the democrats make towards compromise and bi-partisanship is thwarted by thier putting Nancy Pelosi in any power position. She is as devisive as they get.

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Al, KS — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:20:21 GMT

Whaaaaat? Lugar, Warner, Specter, won't vote with the Dems...what a shock. I say they should NOT pass a spending bill without a troop reduction...just say NO. They crapped out and voted to allow the surge (kind of like the vote to authorize the war). They should have know that once Bush got the surge troops into Iraq, they would never get them out again. The time for compromise, the time for wishy-washy, is over. They'll win the debate with the American people, if they just stand their ground. Come on Dems...get some backbone.

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Jeff Warren, Farmington Hills(Detroit), Michigan — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:25:22 GMT

The winning strategy for the DEMs is easy: PAY-GO! That means that all additional Iraq Spending MUST BE PAID FOR BY ENDING GWB's tax cuts for the top tax bracket. This is a WINNING POLICY because it can unite all DEMs and divide all GOPs. It would take Gen Petraeus out of the picture. He would be getting everything he asks for. They wouldn't be able to hide behind him anymore.

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Carmen -Colorado — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:25:27 GMT

What a bunch of wimps, and they work for the people? I wonder who are these people? The decider is nothing but a dictator and the politicians are his wimps.

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dem — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:26:16 GMT

I'd agree to a long-term deployment if the perps of this war were identified and punished, and not Scooter Libby or Ollie North "punished." Stripped of government pensions and any "Medals of Freedom" any skank president might have given them.

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Jackie, Los Angeles, CA — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:31:39 GMT

This "We Need 60 Votes" bullpuckie is driving me insane! Show some backbone! Take the defeat if it happens but show us that you are with us!

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Gordon Johndroe — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:33:43 GMT

Shifting a few thousand troops out of the current 160,000 home is not forcing the issue. The issue is not the size of the troops but the mission. It may be that the least messy solution is to partition Iraq between Sunni, Shiite, and Kurd portions and let them duke it out.

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Paw Paw, NC — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:34:35 GMT

In other words King George can hold his position and veto anything Congress presents to him, and they will give him anything he wants, to compromise and make concessions if they want to get anything done. So Congress should knuckle under and not hold the same hard line on funding and troop withdrawal, right or wrong, support the President no matter what the majority of the American people want. Our elected officials are truly going to make this tragedy in Iraq last indefinitely and drag it out for years. Democrat and Republican they are all guilty of feeding and promoting this idiotic mess.

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James J Breitfeller, Richfield Minnesota — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:52:35 GMT

To possibly explain the D's retreat on Iraq and other issues: do you really think the warrantless evesdropping and spying plus other actions to deconstitutionalize the USA was truly directed at, caused by and intended for terrorists? Please! The Congress and the coutrs are the target. They stand in the way of a Permanent Republician Majority (aka Right-Wing Christian Facist Aristocracy). Terrorists are not the threat the Bushies fear. The Constitution is. The Constitution is being shreaded and UBL is still loose. Which have they gone after with more vigor and venom?

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Ashley, Colorado — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:58:35 GMT

Thanks Carrie, for injecting some calm into this thread before it spins into screeching. But before I engage in thoughful discussion, I have this to say to the Democrats: WUSSES! There, now let's talk compromise.

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Carl Roove, Chevy Chase MD — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:59:51 GMT

President Bush called both the Senate Majority Leader and the Speaker of the House recently. Conversations where kind of one sided, and went like this:

Harry! Sit. Good boy.

Nancy! Roll over. Play dead. Good girl.

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Gerry, Anchorage, Alaska — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:04:46 GMT

Well said, Carrie, and, quite frankly, if we'd had a bit more rational and intelligent compromising going on over the years, perhaps Congress wouldn't be quite the ideological, backstabbing snakepit that it has become. Oh well, one can always hope, I suppose...

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Ben, Chicago IL — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:06:23 GMT

I wish people would wake up to what's going on here. The Democrats do not want this war to end; they want it to still be going on by the time the '08 elections come around so they can be in control of the 'war on terror' and enjoy all the perks that come with being in the driver's seat. Regardless of whether or not they had the votes the Democrats would at least try if they actually cared about stopping the war.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:09:35 GMT

Without the 60 votes necesary in The Senate to break a fillibuster, or a 2/3 majority in BOTH houses to over-ride a Presidential veto, The Democrats can't get those timelines anacted as law.
All the more reason to give them a bigger majority in the general election next year.
The republiCANTS have done nothing but obstruct the will of The American People ever since January, when the new congress took over.
If we vote them out, they won't be able to do that next time!

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Mark Y; Westlake Village, CA — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:34:04 GMT

this could be problematic in Nov '08 for the dems. they can still campaign on the "obstructionist repubs", but in many people's eyes, including mine, this is a cop-out on perceived promises in the mid-term elections. However, bush remains the biggest divider, not pelosi. After all, bush has been dividing the people for almost 7 years; Pelosi, close to 9 months.

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:38:51 GMT

Jeff Warren:
'The winning strategy for the DEMs is easy: PAY-GO! That means that all additional Iraq Spending MUST BE PAID FOR BY ENDING GWB's tax cuts for the top tax bracket.'

Jeff, I'll go for that !!
What's with the Democratics rolling over and playing dead ??
Put an end to tax cuts in the funding, put union organizing in the funding, put a higher minimum wage increase and che CHIPS (sp?) health care into the War funding.
If Boy George vetos the bill, then screw him !!
Don;t pass any funding !!!
Democrats !! Get off your kneew !!

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Rick Lapin, Albuquerque, NM — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:57:07 GMT

So, Carrie ... just exactly what is the "some of what they want" the 'Rats are getting for caving in once again on Iraq? You know -- what's the tit-for-tat, in the real-world, real-politik terms you're demanding, and what are they "getting done" as a result of that tit-for-tat? (HINT: Nothing.)

That's not "compromise and concession".

It's appeasement.

While our fighting men and women put their lives on the line every day in this farce, Democratic "Champions of the People" refuse to put so much as one percentage point in one poll on the line for what they say they claim to believe is the right course of action for this nation.

Cowards or complicitors, take your pick -- ain't no third alternative on no horizon nowhere.

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Peter Edgard, Texas — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:02:42 GMT

Impeach Bush and Cheney - Why get anything done. Congress is held in such low esteem why worry. Send no bills for any votes, HOLD BACK ALL FUNDING. The power of the purse is with the House, use it. Spend the last gasp of the shrubs term to IMPEACH!

Shooting for negative numbers on the ratings for congress Impeach?

It's kind of funny reading through the posts regarding this article. Why bother with trying to pass a bill on a time line? Impeach is very correct on this one. Just don't pass a funding bill. There's your timeline.

Democrats are such whimps. They talk tough, but when it comes time to put-up or shut-up, they choose the latter.

Happy with your majorities Democrats? Excited about voting for these people again? Increasing your numbers wouldn't help either. You already got several Republicans on your side already like Hagal, Specter and a few others.

Trying to get Democrats rounded up is like trying to herd cats.

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Ed Fire — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 23:15:44 GMT

No deal with the Republicans!
Make Coleman,Collins,Sununu and the rest continue to vote to back Bush's Folly.If the Democrats enter into any kind of deal with the Republicans,they will get hammered by Bush,and the media.They will get the worst of all worlds:supporters will be extremely angry,and the Republicans will call them weak and afraid of Bush.And,for what?To enact something that says,"Please,Mr Bush,please think about the possibility of bringing a few of our troops home sometime in the future."

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John Doe, Seattle, Wash — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 01:24:27 GMT

I love this. You guys were sold a bill of goods by the Democrats, and you bought it, hook, line, sinker. The Dems lie to you as much as they lie to the rest of us.

The reason they won't cut off funding? They know that it will kill them for several election cycles, and they aren't that stupid. Unlike the people who keep voting for them.

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William, New York City — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 01:24:56 GMT

Democrats promised to END THE WAR and IMPEACH BUSH. Instead Democrats INCREASED TROOP LEVELS and SUPPORT ALL BUSH'S requests.

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R Lange, Centre County, PA — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 01:27:23 GMT

Why would anyone expect a group in Congress too frightened to stand up to al Qaeda in Iraq to display "courage" in pushing through antiwar legislation. Isn't that the very thing they most obviously lack?

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Utahreb, Veyo, UT — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 01:55:30 GMT

So let the barstool pilot veto until he is blue in the face! Show the American people who voted you into office that you are actually listening to them!

We didn't vote you into office to be a bunch of weak-kneed, yellow-bellied appeasers - there are enough of those in Washington already!

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rochester,ny — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 03:02:33 GMT

The only thing Dems care about is political power.They don't want to solve any problems they just want issues to run on in the next election.They don't really care about the troops they just see them as a convient way to get votes.They sicken me.

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John Doe, Chicago, IL — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 03:47:29 GMT

The Dems in Congress have had the power to pull the troops out all along. It is very simple. Don't pass any bills authorizing funds for the war effort.

But they won't do that, because in 2008 the Repubs will be sure to remind the American people why the most technologically advanced nation in the world surrendered to a pack of barbarians.

The Dems want to stay in office more than they want to surrender. So we get half-measures, like these stupid bills wherein they try to overstep the authority of Congress, by trying to tell the Executive Branch how to run the war. Bush would be right to veto any such bill, were it to actually reach his desk.

Fund the war, or don't. Those are the only options Congress has. That's the only way for Congress to decide when the troops come home.

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Rick, Germany — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 07:44:02 GMT

The Democratic party is useless

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David Webb — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:55:20 GMT

Saturday, September 1, 2007
Religion Briefs Coalition of nuns calls for impeaching Bush and Cheney

A progressive group of U.S. nuns has called on Congress to impeach President Bush and Vice President Cheney because of their roles in the war in Iraq.

“The National Coalition of American Nuns is impelled by conscience to call you to act promptly to impeach President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney for ... high crimes and misdemeanors,” the group wrote in a letter written on behalf of its board members.

The letter says that impeachment is warranted for their “deceiving the public under the false pretense that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction” and “destroying” the reputation of the United States and the good will of other nations.

“The time for impeachment is now — before the example of George W. Bush’s regime is set in stone,” they wrote. “Future generations will thank you for preserving the freedom of our nation and its relation to the entire human community.”

The coalition was founded in 1969 for individual nuns dedicated to issues of social justice and human rights.

The letter was approved during a mid-August meeting of the board, held in Chicago. During that same meeting, the board unanimously adopted statements opposing all war and affirming peacemaking efforts. “Rather than continuing support of a just-war theory, a more compassionate church would oppose all war and teach peacemaking skills for all levels of government and interpersonal conflict resolution,” the statement reads.

The board also adopted statements pledging to work to “moderate the impact we make on planet Earth,” and supporting nuclear disarmament and relief efforts for the poor in Africa.

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Mike Lee NH — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:41:56 GMT

It's nice to finally hear Congress is waking up to a reality they were otherwise blinded to. Of course, no one wants a war, but it is REAL, terrorism is happening globally, and we are not excluded from it. Get in the game people. Bush did not start terrorism, and blaming him for defending our country is absurd.

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Rick554 Strongsville, Ohio — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:46:03 GMT

There's something bad in the water of Minnesota. You need to step back Jim, adjust your tinfoil and drink bottled water. whew what a maroon

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Ollie — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:43:00 GMT

The democratic congress has decided to let the war go on and continue to criticize Bush and the republicans, in hopes of infuriating more Americans. They choose this instead of forcing bush to deal with it now by defunding the war. This will leave the democrates in a no win situation when the war falls into their hands. They are making a big mistake. However they do not care what the American people want. It is all about getting elected or relected. The dems are a bunch whimps and won't deal with this WAR PIG BUSH MACHINE and his repub butt kissing idiots. They only talked touph on the war to get the votes. Thats all they wanted. We are now without any representation from either party. Just like the war on the middle class goes on and all we do is watch it and talk about it.

Good to be back

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Terry Columbia, SC — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:01:39 GMT

And we should never forget the 47 Blue Dog democrats that may as well be republicans on most issues - they typically side with Bush and are consistently pro-war.
The democrats have far from a simple majority in the house practically speaking - the temptation is to blame the spineless dems when in fact a significant number of their members are republicans in disguise....and we keep hearing that the public sentiment is overwhelming for withdrawal but one has to wonder - that is, if their representatives keep voting to stay. For example, the voters who support the Blue Dogs are generally conservative and more than likely vote republican in presidential elections.
I think there's more than meets the eye as regards Congress and their unwillingness to stand firm on using funding as a tool to scale back the war. Again, there is no simple and cohesive democratic majority in Congress.

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johnt — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:32:43 GMT

Ah,principle is everything and the surge is not working, but yet the Democrats are changing their position. I wonder why?

Because they have no principles and they don't want to be caught flat footed, that's why. Lie as they will and unfortunate for them the surge is showing results, so principle gets tossed overboard in the rush to cover themselves.

Of course the real reason for their newfound flexibility can't be mentioned but anybody with an IQ over seventy should be able to figure it out.

I love the calls for impeachment, for among other non-existent reasons, a war that the Democratic Congress continues to fund.
Who needs "high crimes and misdemeanors", you only have to be a Republican.

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Rick, WS, NC — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:55:26 GMT

This is and always has been the dims problem...no backbone, its always a gabfest, can't we all just get along, we need a consensus, yack yack yack...

I won't vote for the reprehensible candidate because I'm so disgusted with their genuflecting to the very wrong right but the dims have yet to produce a candidate with courage, they all just want your love

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Anne Barrington RI — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:55:37 GMT

Didn't we decide a long time ago that we did not want a king? Especially one who says the Constitution "is just a piece of paper". Why are we not impeaching this adminstration for high crimes against this nation. I think that is more important then impeaching a former President for being untruthful about an affair. Is there not one person in congress who can see that anything they try in useless because the two main problems are the lying, greedy men in our Whitehouse. They are working very hard on an eventual downfall of our country. When are we going to empty the trash?

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JeanneGA — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:02:45 GMT

The repubs are the cowards.Its Bushs war, he lied to get in it and hes continuing to lie about everything.Karma is happening to Bush right now and I have a feeling he's going to mess things up even more.Too bad he's dragging us all down with him. He's worse than horrible.

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Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:14:58 GMT

Bush and Cheney must go! IMPEACH!!

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Jim Tampa,Fl — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:39:42 GMT

George, in all his wisdom, should be able to give us the names of the military that are going to be killed or severely injured, in the future, as he continues his selfserving, useless fiasco in Iraq.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:53:46 GMT

Rick - What is your suggestion? They don't have the votes. Period. They can tie up both houses of Congress with vote after vote after vote on legislation that has no prayer of passing, but what good will that do?

The compromise, of course, is the start of troop withdrawal. It's a step in the right direction, and a hell of a lot better than spending the next year butting heads with nothing at all getting accomplished.

It astounds me how ignorant some people are about the workings of government. I suggest that some of you look up the School House Rock diddy, How a Bill Becomes a Law...it might make things a little more clear.

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ki houston — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:00:49 GMT

you guys act like these pepole are magic or somthing . If you have been here any amount of time you should know how politics work. Whith the slim majority that they have what you guys are asking for is like asking them to make fish and bread out of air.It was up to the american people to give them more than a majority of one in the senate if they wanted somthing to get done. without that the best they can do is grand stand . Its how are political system works study up on it.

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AnnJ Utica NY — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:12:11 GMT

The dems area a bunch of wusses. Now I don't know what I am going to do in '08.

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mario rome italy — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:29:11 GMT

Bush, a draft dodger in command of an army. the whole world is making fun of you.

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Dave, Tn — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:31:19 GMT

Waaah Waahhh Wahhhhh Bush is a divider Bush is a divider. Our leaders have smeared and lied and caledl him every name in the book, and he's never stepped down in the gutter with us. He's a divider!!!!! We're in the gutter alone Wahhhh wahhh wahhhh

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Stephanie Cata Miami,fl — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:36:10 GMT

voting sucks

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Chris Phillips, Borger, Texas — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:50:45 GMT

The dems are just playing the "popular" card, why is anyone surprised. Lets use some logic here shall we; dem controlled congress has an approval rating LOWER than that of "Bu$h or Bushitler" or whatever the left likes to call him, the dems have continued to talk retreat and surrender (thats what it is), maybe, just maybe, the dems have realized that to get their numbers out of the crapper they might have to, gasp!!, support the military.
Very typical dem behavior.

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Rick Lapin, Albuquerque, NM — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:44:40 GMT

I will believe in that "compromise" of yours when I see it, Carrie; so far your record on achieving even toothless, non-binding resolutions is execrable, to say the least, and yet you present that "first step in bringing the troops home" as a done deal.

And I have a pretty good idea how the US government operates -- particularly the current version, and even more particularly as regards how the current version is working overtime to stall its own citizens on the war in Iraq. Bush wants six more months, and, boy, then we'll show you something -- and y'all want six more months, and then, boy, you're gonna nail that SOB to the wall.

Meanwhile, the gravy train which is the war goes merrily on.

The US government -- as a reflection of our Constitution and the will of our people -- is broken, Carrie, and until the whole sorry downward spiral is brought to a sudden crisis, you can skip the lecture about learning how a bill becomes a law ...

Bills are bought and paid for by the highest bidder, and both 'Pugs and 'Rats are for sale at all times.

You know a tree by the fruit it bears. If the fruit of this Congress this fall is another unconditional approval of more lost GI lives and limbs, another $50 billion pissed into that hole in the sand, and the continuation of a policy which is sinking our international future, you can spout Biden-style pseudo-intellectualizations 'til the cows come home about politics and government being too complicated for poor, ignorant Joe Doaks to understand --

But you'll be out just the same on a wave of collective, instinctive revulsion as folks simply stop listening to what you say and start watching -- and judging -- what you actually do.

A rubber stamp that squawks is still just a rubber stamp, and it will be swept aside just like the previous rubber stamp.

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GAB, Austin, TX — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:30:17 GMT

WAHHH WAHHH WAHHH...you liberals are bad, WAHHH WAHH WAHHH dems suck.....WAHHH WAHH WAHHH....dems troll for gay sex in public restrooms....oops that was Craig, a Republican. WAHHH WAHHH WAHHH...liberals go and use protitutes....oooops that was Vitter, a Republican. WAHHH WAHHH WAHHH...dems go marry trophpy wives 30 years younger...oops thats Fred Thompson, a Republican. WAHHH WAHHH WAHHH...liberals have affairs and announce to his present wife and children via a news conference that he's divorcing them...oops thats Guliani. WAHHH WAHHH WAHHH...dems can have multiple wives if they want to...ooops thats Mitt Romney. WAHHH WAHHH WAHH dems marry their cousins...ooops thats Guliani again.

Nothing is black and white, folks. There is nothing you can say about one party that isn't true about the
other party. And neither party gives a damn about you and me! We are cash cows!

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Matt Hillside — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:35:46 GMT

And we should never forget the 47 Blue Dog democrats that may as well be republicans on most issues - they typically side with Bush and are consistently pro-war.

Interesting. 47 Blue Dogs? Dems only have 50 votes, 51 with Lieberman. Who are these Blue Dogs you speak of?

Here's a list of Democrat Senators that wouldn't vote for anything Bush wanted even if it would save their lives"

Boxer
Clinton
Durbin
Feingold
Feinstein
Harkin
Kennedy
Kerry
Kohl
Lautenberg
Leahy
Murray
Obama
Reid
Schumer
Webb

16 hard core left wingers.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:45:32 GMT

Matt - What is this list of yours based on?

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John Opferman, Beaverton, Oregon — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:53:53 GMT

Sorry, but the reason the Dems are hedging their bets right now is because if you pull out now Iraq goes into a death spiral that the GOP can point to in the general election in 2009. They are finally being smart about this.
I never voted for the current president (a McCain Republican here), and it seems that we can safely say that maybe we shouldn't have invaded Iraq, or we should have had a more realistic view of post-invasion Iraq. Although I still find it laughable how a psycho like Saddam can have so many liberal friends. However, we need to act like grown-ups and take responsibility for the people of Iraq. If we leave now, we are condemning hundreds of thousands of Iraqis to death, civil war, and years of instability. My respect for Dems who are willing to talk smart instead of pandering to the radical leftist element in their party only grows. They realize what Republicans didn't - neither the radical left, nor right, speak for the vast majority of Americans.

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Carol Reed, Az. — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:56:17 GMT

The Democrats were elected to turn things around and get us out of Iraq. The Senate, House, and President seem to forget that they are their to do the will of the people, not the will of corporate greed. It is time to vote them all out and impeach the people responsible for the suffering that has been caused to the Iraquie's as well as the Americans.

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M. C. Kubiak, Bloomingnton, IL — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:04:26 GMT

Sorry, my friend, but it is no longer "Bush's War." Since the "new" congress took office in January, it has become the Bush-Democrats War.
The Dems were elected to end the war (and corruption). Instead they have co-opted both dead bodies (and pork). They are the War Whores and remain in majority Bush's poodles

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M. C. Kubiak, central IL — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:14:46 GMT

Sorry, my friend, it can no longer be called "Bush's War."
The Dem majority took office in January. Their charge was to end the war. They have aided and abetted in expanding the war. And have done so for their political agenda. If your child gets killed in Iraq, do you really care if it was to profit Mr Bush & Mr Cheney's oil or to profit the politcal agenda of the Dems?
It is now the "Bush-Dem War." The Dems in the House and Senate, as Mr Bush and the Reps, have slapped their consituents in the face, with the dead bodies of their -- not the elected officials' -- children.

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Jose Garcia, New Orleans, LA — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:31:14 GMT

Democrats are losers! They are shrouded in Defeat. A Dam good thing for it. They are hopeless and weak.

"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane" -Marcus Aurelius

Run Away Run Away; Escape from the Democrats!!!

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Jose Garcia, New Orleans, LA — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:54:15 GMT

It is not Bush's War. It has never been Bush's War. IT IS WAR!!! War came to us as a country. You idiots!!! I hate war more than any of you. I have fought in one. We, as a nation, need to chase our enemies and crush them. THERE IS NO COMPROMISE WITH FOR VICTORY!!! After VICTORY; you idiots can have all the "Inquisitions" you want.

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M. Vineyard, Bremerton, WA — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 18:07:33 GMT

Wow ...I can just feel the love on this page. All those Democrats who are showing their true Democrat colors.

A true Democrat harkens back to the 1830's - when they believed slavery was okay and black people were sub-human, not capable of having freedom. The Democrats resistance to eliminating slavery caused a Civil War that killed 600,000 people in a nation of 30 million. (That's 2% of the population.)

After loosing the Civil War, the Democrats were the insurgency that terrorized the freed slaves (think KKK). Once they got back in power in Congress, they cancelled out a Civil Rights Bill that the Republicans had passed. Not until 90 years later, with more Democrats OPPOSING the 1964 Civil Rights Act than Republicans did a new bill get passed.

Now - the same party thinks that the Iraqi people are sub-human and don't deserve liberation and a chance for freedom. The mantra is that Saddam Hussein should have been left in power. Of course, they want to ignore that Saddam was supporting terrorists world-wide. They want to ignore that Saddam had a terrorist training camp that included a plane fuselage to practice take-overs in flight (Salmon Pak).

The Democrats, like in the 1830's and 1880's - are racist bigots who want the world to grant them everything (health care, high minimum wages, socialist government, etc.) ...and the rest of the world can go to hell. Genocide ..they can't see it because their eyes are shut!

The Democrats ignore all the real reasons for taking out Saddam Hussein - and they are self-hating, American hating people who don't give a damn about the very principles that John F. Kennedy stated when he said: "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival and the success of liberty."

All President Bush has done is to try to protect our nation from terrorist attacks, and to ensure the survival and success of liberty abroad. Why make him out to be an ogre? He is an honest and caring man. I can't say the same about those who would tolerate evil to remain in order to challenge the policies of President Bush.

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b, Chicago — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 18:18:57 GMT

Any way to impeach these whiny Bush haters. You don't have the votes you dhims!

Democratic retreat on Iraq?

GWV5903 — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 18:32:51 GMT

They can not back up their message, never have, we are in this together. It is time for politics to be put aside and finally do what they voted to do in '03. History always has a way of telling the truth, Bush will not be the villian in 10 or 20 years, no that distinction will belong to congress.

Democratic retreat on Iraq?

dougf, Canada — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:03:00 GMT

Nice to see that the usual 'progressive' suspects are out in force to do the usual whining, wailing, and gnashing of teeth. The BDS is strong in these.

You know what Bush really has that allows him to do whatever he wants to do ?

It's YOU.

If he has people like Carmen,Dem,Gordon,Utahreb, James J Breitfeller, and of course the IMPEACH Bush & Cheney delusionals, against him how can he ever lose ? You make him look truly profound every time you say ANYTHING.

As Pogo once said--- 'We have met the enemy and he is US.'

Bush must laugh at you guys each and every day. Everyone else does. I'm laughing now.

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TCC, Las Vegas, Nevada — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:18:11 GMT

"Dems promised to END THE WAR and IMPEACH BUSH". Every time I hear the "Bush lied, kids died" and the "Impeach Bush" mantras bleated out from the left like the sheep in George Orwell's Animal Farm, I have asked the same question, to wit: please cite exactly what laws were broken by President Bush. Some specifics, beyond the stale "he misled the country into war" would be helpful. Also, if anyone could cite specific statutes from the United States Code or the Code of Federal Regulations, that would be actually helpful to the debate.

Further, we should revisit the whole "Bush misled the country" argument. Few on the left seem willing to remember that, at the time that the Senate overwhelmingly authorized military action (including votes from Democratic heroes Clinton, Kerry and Edwards), the Seate was presented with the same intelligence that the Administration had. Which, by the way, was the same intelligence that many other nations' intelligence services were presenting, not just our own. (As an aside, perhaps if some of you wish to scream about intelligence failures, maybe you should ask the Clintons why the CIA human intelligence force was slashed so radically in the years leading up to 9/11. But I digress.) Based upon the intelligence presented, and based upon the Hussein regime's history of violating U.N. mandate after U.N. mandate with the U.N. unwilling to do anything about it, the Senate authorized the use of force to remove the Hussein regime. If anyone could cite an actual, impeachable offense here, please do so. Apparently Pelosi and Reid (who I am embarrassed to say represents my state) have not been able to come up with one, or else the impeachment process would have begun by now.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 21:01:09 GMT

M. Vineyard tells wonderful tales. However, it was not the Democrats resistance to ending slavery that caused the Civil War - it was the South's desire to break apart from the Union and establish its own country, slavery and all. The Civil War was fought not to abolish slavery but to hold together the nation.

The Democrats to whom M. Vineyard is referring are more commonly known as Southern Democrats. There was a time when you had to be a Democrat to get elected in the South, so even the conservatives put on the Dem mask and campaigned. As it turned out, the South was pretty damn conservative; they had just always voted Democrat, and continued to do so until after the signing of the 1964 Civil Rights Act when many of them abandoned the Democratic party in favor of the GOP, which prompted many Democratic legislators to jump ship as well and finally embrace their conservative, Republican selves.

This was largely brought about by the fact that in the 1950's and 1960's, the northern Democrats (much more liberal in their thinking) battled to regain some power from these conservative Southern Democrats, and did so via a series of reforms in Congress that changed such things as how a committee chair is determined. Many of those Congressmen who had been the chair of a committee for decades were ousted from that position, and the new generation of Democrats took over.

But I guess M. Vineyard doesn't want to talk about any of that.

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Lee Holmes — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 23:42:51 GMT

Carrie: And yet it was your ''liberal thinking'' Democrats in Lincolns day that pushed for a separate peace with the South and demanded that Lincoln end the war. Some things,it would appear,never change. Your ''new generation'' of Democrats includes Byrd and until recently, Hollings,both of who voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

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Amber vancover wa — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:53:05 GMT

the democratic are the way to go because we know whats going on in this world.

Democratic retreat on Iraq?

Amber vancover wa — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:55:13 GMT

the democratic are the way to go because we know whats going on in this world.