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Lyn, MD — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:37:23 GMT

The bigger question is "whay will HSU say"..why did he want so badly to give them almost 1 million dollars. What IF anything did he think he would get in return.

Why did the campaign appear shocked when they had emails months before warning them that he was involved in questionable activities...were they lying?
If so why?

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Lyn, MD — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:42:04 GMT

WOW, VAn...looks like you should be more worried about Hillarys funds ( than Obama's)...going down..along with her credibility.

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HOT DAM — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:45:19 GMT

Man you sure have a lot of question Lyn honey, I bet you will be busy all day LOOKING FOR ANSWERS TO YOUR OWN QUESTIONS.
We do not work for you.

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H P Boston — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:49:12 GMT

Not to worry Lyn. Hill has invited us to lunch (with Bill too) for a donation to her campaign.
I think Obama did that too. They are so alike.
I hope I win the lunch date!!

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Grace, NY — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:54:05 GMT

Gee, what a Clinton coincidence
Funny how these things happen. It's probably maybe a coincidence. Perhaps.

But when The Times called Hillary Clinton's campaign this afternoon to say it had e-mails showing internal concerns about their major fundraiser Norman Hsu's reputation, it took all of five minutes for the Clinton folks to announce that they were returning $850,000 from 260 different donors associated with Hsu.

Yet these e-mails have been available to the campaign since June.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2007/09/gee-what-a-coin.html

Makes you say WTF !!!

Can't the democats do better than her...what next. She is no change ..Hillary is the 90's redux

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Union Baby, Tennessee — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:55:02 GMT

Don't care which party you are or which candidate you are - you can not keep up with every contributor or fund raiser, however, you can send the money back to the donors and let them re-donate thru a reputable system. Or better yet, build a couple of hundred houses for Habitat for Humanity.
It is all about the money, never forget that and both parties are guilty in that area.
Until we get the money out of the election process we are never going to have good honest government. The best way would be for each media outlet (print, tv,radio, and internet) to give each candidate the same amount of exposure each day (and lets do it fair, no one at 3:00am please). Guess those advertising executives who make big big bonuses would never go for it though and neither would the lobbiests.

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MK,MO — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:57:52 GMT

‘But they're going to give back a lot of money if they do this every time there's an allegation against a fundraiser.’”

if hillary gave back all the tainted money she has recieved she would have none, kind of shows you the kind of people mrs. clinton and company hang with, birds of a feather flock together

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:02:00 GMT

Five people picked to rebuild New Orleans with John Edwards?......

Talk about a LONNNGGGGGG vacation.

Bill Clinton and sushi....not going there.....

Bill Clinton and the definition of "is"
Hillary Clinton and the definition of "campaign"

A republican trying to warn Hillary Clinton????
maybe I should try that.......
I've offered her a chance to sit down and tell her why she will lose, oh well.......

Samantha Wolf better start looking for another job...

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Joanne, San Diego.... — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:31:42 GMT

I was under the impression that a private donor could only give $2,000 $850.00 divided by 260 is close to $3200.00 each, what is up with this picture?

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Sierra, SF — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:53:48 GMT

First Read: 'After Clinton signed a pledge to not campaign in Florida, ......it apparently depends on what the meaning of campaigning is. .....isn't violation of the letter of the agreement with Iowa and the other early states about not campaigning in Florida; that apparently doesn't kick in until the DNC's deadline runs out at the end of this month...........One thing we learned during Bill Clinton’s presidency was to study and parse his words carefully. Apparently we’ll need to do that with his wife should she become president.'

Translation:
Hillary IS A LIAR, JUST LIKE BILL !!
IS ANYBODY SURPRISED ??
HILLARY IS A LIAR !!

Hillary wasn't suspicious when Norman Hsu kept running away every time a police car came by.
'All my friends run away from police cars'
'They're so unfair to us !!'

Hillary wasn't suspicious when wads of money and packets of powder kept falling from Norman's pockets.
'OOOOOPS !'

Hillary didn't KNOW ANYTHING about a contributor of almost $1 MILLION DOLLARS ???
Hillary's campaign didn't check into his background ??

Why was this announced on the anniversary of 9/11 ?
Crooked Hillary is doing PR work !!
Was her union busting advisor, Mark Penn behind this?
Great scam Mark !!

Would you buy a used car from Hillary Clinton ?
Would you buy a used war from Hillary Clinton ?

Hillary Clinton, 15 years of dishonesty, scandal and divisiveness !!

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Sierra, SF — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:57:29 GMT

'the campaign will begin conducting criminal background checks on big fundraisers to prevent a similar incident from occurring in the future.'

There's an idea !!
Sen. Dodd pledged to return all contributions from felons !!
Will Hillary follow suit ?
Or will she claim that felons are a constituency ?
They're people, too just like lobbyists !!

Go to EvilHillary.com to make your contribution !!
You must be 18 and a felon to contribute !!

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H P Boston — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:14:19 GMT

Wow Rudy better hide, oh no wait he is a repuke they won't even check his fundraising.

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Robert Catalano, Salem, OR — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:22:47 GMT

"If you've enjoyed Bush Beer, you will enjoy Bush Lite. Enjoy the same great taste with a little less corruption and a little more intelligence." - brought to you by the committee to portray Hillary as an instrument of change.

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Bee — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:28:37 GMT

Whatever happen to due deligence is elusive in Clinton's case? I am hoping she learn from her lesson.

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TulsaDavd, Tulsa, OK — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:29:05 GMT

Most of this media coverage smacks of road kill with syrup. If President Bush had been returning $850K, the headlines would not have been so kind. Instead of ...

"Clinton to give back illegal contributions ..."

... it would have read ...

"Bush accepts illegal contributions ..."

... or any numerous of subjective variations kissing up to one and tainting the other.

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CitizenJ — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:45:49 GMT

"Don't care which party you are or which candidate you are - you can not keep up with every contributor or fund raiser, however, you can send the money back to the donors and let them re-donate thru a reputable system."

Union Baby,

You can't keep up with every donor, and I don't think we expect them to. But you should be able to keep up with the few who pledge to raise at least $100,000 for you (Hillraisers), and you should keep up with one that has raised nearly $1M. Especially when there were emails about him circling around the campaign over 2 months ago.

If anyone believes that Clinton is "surprised" by Hsu, they are lying to themselves.

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Intel Wonce — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:53:36 GMT

The big question is why HP and HotDam are so equally stupid.

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nuanced — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:55:09 GMT

Just a thought. Is is OK to accept blood and war money?

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:59:02 GMT

Hillary's intelligence sure took a beating over Norman Hsu.

A little less corruption? We haven't gotten to those papers being stored in her warehouse in Little Rock yet.

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Susan, Miami — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:51:09 GMT

Hillary will be our next president. So whine and complain and repeat youself(Sierra) and have hissy fits(Jerry), all you want. Its gonna happen and I love it. Actually ANY democrat would be fine too.

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Frank Furter, democrats for a free america — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:01:50 GMT

Leave Hillary alone, lest you wind up like alot of people that turned against her and Bill. This is why Brian williams will not say anything about her on the air, he's knows better. same goes for on air reports on MSNBC, ABC and CBS... Obama/Edwards '08

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csh. chicago — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:10:06 GMT

I see the Hillary haters are all worked up today - maybe to get their small minds off the latest batch of polls? Rasmussen poll shows her beating Rudy in Virginia where no Dem has won since 1964! No wonder they are even more ornery than usual. GO HILLARY!

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TJB, Scottsdale — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:14:59 GMT

hmmmm Hsu would of thought??....Hillary, hillary, the heavily bottomed, sound byte, queen is certainly cut from the same cloth as her philandering, perjury prone husband.

She flew her flag high when she said, "lobbyist's are real people too"...Now, we find that, that statement must apply to con-men, flim flam artists and racketeers as well. This is the reason that controversey and scandal always follow the Clinton's for they can't find it in themselves to place morality, or law, in front of their blind ambition....What's amazing, is she's old school, hackneyed and a product of the "system" and you'd better think long and hard before you vote this jugular cutting bitch into office....

As an example of the mercenary female politician's "Peter Principle" you have to look no further than the laughable, sophmoric antics of "Speaker" Nancy Peolsi...."She" was going to take charge, pass 100 laws in the first 60 days.....Now, with that said and done, she's got the job and she's deservedly garnering the lowest approval ratings in the history of same......Switching from Pelosi to Clinton...Aside from being a woman, the first "Lady", (talk about a misnomer), What has Clinton done? What is her crowning achievement?.....Aside from sticking with Bill when he was burning through zippers, nothing, she's no more than a resume of unfinished sentences and flip-flops......tell'em anything, just get that vote!!!! Wake up.......Clinton is another zero, being pushed by big interests, lobbyists and worse.

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jjg, ms — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:44:29 GMT

jerry - continuation of yesterday... no, you do not answer my question about once a week. With each post that I enter, questioning you about who your candidate is, you never have responded. Ever. Even yesterday, when you said that you have responded in the past, you did not give your answer.

My contention remains the same - you have no backbone. Answer the question, or are you more comfortable firing shots than receiving them. What a brave man. Similar to other questions I have posted for you in the past, your response is always that I must not be reading your responses. Incorrect - you never answer the question given to you.

Did I say that you have no backbone? Sorry, I meant to say that you are spineless (to help you out, jerry, these are the same).

I anticipate that you will again use smoke and mirrors.

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Ashe, SF CA — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:04:26 GMT

Another Clinton presidency will be akin to regurgitating one's lunch and then swallowing it back. It's time for some Democrats to leave behind the '90s...and look towards the future with a candidate who represents hope and change...and one who says what he means and doesn't try to justify things on a technicality.

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Bruce, NV — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:27:39 GMT

Intel, HP is the way he is because he's in Boston. You remember Boston? John Kerry, Paul Tsongas, Barney Frank, Gerry Studds, Mike Dukakis? I'm just lucky I got out of there before my brain was permanently fried. Hell, when he ran against Ted Kennedy, Mitt Romney seemed almost conservative! Now, of course *wink, wink*, He's a REAL conservative.

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Lyn, MD — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:44:14 GMT

Has she NO shame..... guess she has to make up the HSU money

One week later, the junior New York senator is scheduled to speak at a homeland security-themed, $1,000-a-plate fundraiser for her campaign in the downtown Washington, D.C. offices of a powerful legal firm.

"Being a week after 9/11, it appears unseemly and politically opportunistic," said Steve Ellis, a former Coast Guard officer who is now vice president of Taxpayers for Common Sense, a Washington, D.C. good government group.

Clinton's fundraising audience is expected to include many of the government contractors and lobbyists whose fortunes have soared in the years since the attacks, which triggered a massive government reorganization and billions in new government spending.

But that's not the only objectionable feature of the event, critics say.

For the price of a ticket -- from a $1,000 personal donation to a $25,000 bundle –- attendees will get a special treat after the luncheon: an opportunity to participate in small, hour-long "breakout sessions" hosted by key Democratic lawmakers, many of whom chair important subcommittees on the Homeland Security committee.

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"It's an outrage," said Danielle Brian, executive director of the Washington, D.C. good-government group Project on Government Oversight.

"You never want to see lawmakers trading on their national security credentials...to people making large donations," Ellis concurred.

The break-out sessions include:

First Responders, with Reps. Henry Cuellar, Texas (chair, Emergency Communications, Preparedness, and Response Subcommittee of Homeland Security Committee) and Nita Lowey, N.Y. (Appropriations, Homeland Security Committee)

Intelligence and Information Sharing, with Reps. Jane Harman, Calif. (chair, Intelligence, Information Sharing and Terrorism Risk Assessment Subcommittee of Homeland Security Committee) and C. A. "Dutch" Ruppersburger, Md. (chair, Technical and Tactical Intelligence Subcommittee of intelligence committee)

Border, Maritime and Global Counterterrorism, with Reps. Sheila Jackson Lee, Texas (chair, Transportation Security and Infrastructure Protection Subcommittee of Homeland Security Committee) and Jerrold Nadler, N.Y. (Transportation and Infrastructure Committee; Judiciary Committee)

Science and Technology, with Reps. Jim Langevin, R.I. (chair, Emerging Threats, Cybersecurity, Science and Technology Subcommittee of Homeland Security Committee; intelligence committee) and Ellen Tauscher, Calif. (chair, Strategic Forces Subcommittee of Armed Services Committee)

National Security, with Reps. Kendrick Meek, Fla. (Armed Services Committee) and Joseph Sestak, Pa. (Armed Services Committee)

"Political fundraising should have no relationship to policy recommendations," said Brian, a former policy analyst for Congress. "Most of these [participants] are seasoned policymakers. How can they not see this as wrong?" It only made things worse, she said, that the event was centered around so sensitive and vital a topic as homeland security.

The Clinton campaign and most lawmakers participating in the event did not respond to requests for comment for this story.

One participant, Rep. C. A. "Dutch" Ruppersberger, D-Md., said he didn't see anything wrong with the event.

"I very strongly feel that it's time we get politics out of national security," he said in an interview Monday. "It's more important than ever that we keep discussing national security."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/09/on-heels-of-911.html

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:45:11 GMT

JJG:

I SAY THIS VERY LOUDLY......

IF YOU DON'T GET IT..........
REMEDIAL ENGLISH FOR YOU BUDDY.......

MITT ROMENY OR RUGY GUILIONI

THANK YOU

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Sierra, SF — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:54:59 GMT

Union Baby: 'Don't care which party you are or which candidate you are - you can not keep up with every contributor or fund raiser.....'

Union Baby: Norman Hsu must have been Hillary's BIGGEST CONTRIBUTOR !!
She didn't knwo anything about her biggest contributor ??

Samantha Wolf said: ‘I can tell you with 100 certainty that Norman Hsu is NOT involved in a ponzi scheme,’ wrote Samantha Wolf, who was a campaign finance director for the Western states." He is COMPLETELY legit."

Why would Hillary's Western states director say that ??

Face it, Union Baby this is some crooked stuff.
In another article, First Read seems to indicate they think HILLARY KNEW !!
But, she wanted to inflate her contribution figures !!
Maybe she thought she wouldn't be caught ...

Union Baby: Is Hillary a 'union baby' ?
Or is Hallary a 'corporate baby' ??

Susan, Miami: 'Hillary will be our next president'
Keep thinkg that, Susan..........
I think you'll be disappointed !!
And, I'll be delighted !!

Hillary Clinton, 15 years of dishonesty, scandal and divisiveness

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Lee Holmes — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:06:18 GMT

Robert: Hillary cannot be too ''intelligent''if she continues to allow herself to get mixed up with these hacks,some of them,like Hsu and Chatwal,wanted by the law. Wolf pulled a real boner[ theres your ''intelligence''again], by blithely stating the ''legitimacy''of Hsu. Worse for the campaign,it now refuses to release the names of the Hsu-bundled donors,as even a few layers peeled back with probably,almost certainly,expose another felon or law-dodger. I would suggest that the FEC step in and force Hillarys hand on this so that we may get a fuller idea of how the Clinton machine is oiled.

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Intel Wonce — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:45:47 GMT

Boston is a beautiful city. Been there many times. But, like San Francisco - another beautiful city - the politics of the locals seems to have strayed far off kilter.

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Robert Catalano, Salem, OR — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:39:12 GMT

Hey guys, lighten up, I was just making a joke. I am no Hillary hater but I think her presidency would be more of the same of what we've had since 1988. We're so confused we are going in a circle, "Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton." Americans are starting to vote like a schizophrenic off of medication speaks. I'm just sayin' it's time for something new.

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Joan Gordon, Santa Barbara, CA — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 05:34:22 GMT

Union Baby, right on! Until we get public funding of political campaigns we will never have a true democracy. That's why no one so far has mentioned Joe Biden, who was also cited in this news article, obviously the best qualified man on foreign policy but also among the least funded candidate.