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Jay Letters — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:27:14 GMT

Looks like Hillary is running her campaign on a Hsu string budget.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:35:40 GMT

I guess Sandy Berger better get over there and start shoving paperwork down his pants again. This time, they better do a strip search on the way out.

The Clinton's Chop Suey connection just might come back to bite them this time and the pain should be excruciating

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:37:58 GMT

Why should Hillary give money back that didn't come from Hsu?
Romney's campaign says it will give Alan Fabian's money back.
But NOT money that came from donors Fabian arranged for.
Fabian, by the way, was Mitt Romney's National Fundraising Co-Chairman, and a Giulliani contributor, until he was indicted August 9th on charges of Bankruptcy Fraud, Mail Fraud, Money Laundering, Perjury and Obstruction of Justice.
You would never know that because the Republican-BIASED, Conservatively-OWNED media won't tell you.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:43:49 GMT

God, the jokes here

Hillary clinton's favorite potatoes: Hsu string
Her favorite hsu's: tennis
Her favorite game: Horsehsu's

With Hillary, I guess the hsu is on the other foot now.

Now the other Hsu has hit the ground.

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THe girls at UNF — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:45:57 GMT

Hillary will still be the nominee and win the presidency. Go Hillary!

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MK,MO — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:47:35 GMT

since first read or the corporate owned press in general can't post anything edwards says I will

Edwards Response To Troop Withdrawal Announcement By President Bush
Sep 11, 2007 5:21 PM

Chapel Hill, North Carolina – In response to President Bush's announcement that he will withdraw 30,000 troops from Iraq by next summer, Senator John Edwards released the following statement:

"President Bush has stated that he will withdraw 30,000 troops by next summer. The truth is that because the president's Iraq policy has brought our military close to the breaking point, these forces would have been withdrawn anyway—unless the president planned to extend tours to an unconscionable 18 months. The president taking credit for this withdrawal is like taking credit for gravity.

"It's time to end this sad game of excuses and Beltway double-talk. Last November, the American people voted for real change in Iraq, but instead the president has clung to the status quo and Congress has caved. For over a year, I have called for an immediate withdrawal of 40-50,000 troops—not by next summer, but today—to jump-start the comprehensive political solution that will end the violence in Iraq and allow a complete troop withdrawal within a year. In the face of the president's irresponsible tactics, Congress must stand united and say with one voice: No timetable, no funding. No excuses."

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Amy B Portland, ME — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:47:43 GMT

Obama, Biden and Dodd were brilliant yesterday. You can see the video on MSNBC on the internet (I don't watch TV anymore, so that is how I see these things.)

McCain looked ridiculous, lobbing soft balls to Petraeus and Crocker, until his natural propensity for honesty popped up and he asked them something about the corrupt Iraq police force. If American leaders could just get back to being honest and straight forward we may yet avoid the fate of the Roman Empire. Obama, Biden and Dodd gave me some hope.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:53:15 GMT

Jay Letters,
...and it looks like Mitt "Squirrel Hunter" Romney, and Gigolo Rudy 'G' "took us to the cleaners," because Alan Fabian (who was involved in fundraising for both) was charged with MONEY LAUNDERING.

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Honest Abe — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:57:49 GMT

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jg40 — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:00:26 GMT

Obama's criticism of the timing of the hearings was due to the ongoing effort to conflate 9/11 and Iraq. Since he, himself, is NOT trying to conflate the two and, in fact, continually emphasizes the exact opposite, the timing of his speech is irrelevant to the critcism of the administration efforts to have people believe that one is connected to the other.

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Mike K, Denver — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:03:25 GMT

I wish people would see just how corrupt and how far over the line Hillary will go to win. Why is she still up double-digits???? People need to pull their heads out of their back ends and see that she is a power hungry, do-anything-to-win political hack. Haven't they seen what 7 years of this has already gotten us?

I will not vote for her. If she wins the Democratic nomination, I hope that Fred Thompson orMitt Romney wins the Republican nomination. At least then I'll have someone with a little bit of integrity to vote for.

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Bee — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:03:44 GMT

The more media pay attention to HRC money scandals the more they will realize that she's not to be trusted with America's security. I am very sure the money trail will lead us to what happened during her husband's administration. Please follow the money folks.

I am interested in her records that were sealed in Arkansas. Democrats wake up before you loose another election.

As for Iraq, i totally agree with Obama and Biden. Mccain seems to be dellusional about iraq's problem. I understand he's for the troop so is the rest of us; however, we need to give the troop the mission that make sense like going after Bin Laden.

I still can't believe it that 6 years later this administration failed to capture Bin Laden. What is the simple explanation for that? Of course it is Iraq.

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Rich, Valparaiso, Indiana — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:05:23 GMT

Thank you for keeping us up to date with where Ron Paul is campaigning & what he's up to. I appreciate seeing him included, especially as I believe we'll see his influence on the Republican campaigns increase as time goes on.

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RH Oregon — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:11:37 GMT

From MSNBC's article today:

"Clinton campaign aides refused yesterday to release the names of the 260 donors whom Mr. Hsu recruited to the campaign, preferring to wait until they finish their own research on the individuals.
Mrs. Clinton and her advisers are concerned that rival campaigns or the news media will dig into the background of each donor, and they want to be prepared if some of the donors end up having money funneled to them from Mr. Hsu or have shady backgrounds."

Let's see, returning $850,000.00, divided by 260 secret donors, equals $3,269.23 each, if they all gave equal amounts. Isn't there a $2300 limit? How can they be allowed to keep the names secret? And now the Hsu bundled donatins are not going to charity but returned to the owners? What owners? It came from Hsu, he bundled it with other peoples names, but nobody can believe that. How much goes back to the San Francisco family the Paws? Enough to move out of the little bungalow next to the airport runway? Since this Congress loves to investigate everything, where is the one looking into Hillary and her millions?

And I quote Cuba Gooding Jr. "SHOW ME THE MONEY"

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ki houston — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:36:20 GMT

Why is he giving a speach on the 12. My goodness it is campaign season and he is addressing the issue he did not set the date for the Petraeus report. Can you guys show your bias any louder.

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demagirl — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:44:48 GMT

By "rival campaign," I have to assume you mean the Biden campaign. Honestly, Biden's behavior yesterday (reading the newspaper while Obama spoke, not letting Obama get a response from the witnesses at the end, etc.) left much to be desired. I've always been a fan of Biden but right now I'm thinking he's just one giant ego.

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TheRealist nyc — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:45:53 GMT

Rudy's souffle is falling, Obama's never really rose.
It's Hillary vs. Fred for President in 2008.

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Michael, Miami, FL — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:46:15 GMT

"Yet as a rival campaign points out to First Read, if that’s true, why is he giving an Iraq speech today on September 12? "

Uh...that's rather easy. Because the Petraeus and Crocker hearings ended yesterday and, as such, Iraq policy is in the news and at the forefront of American thought, right now. Congress is about to use the hearings as a springboard to discuss what effect it can and should have on shaping Iraqi policy. The entire country is looking to see if this is the moment policy changes.

So he's giving a big speech on...Iraq policy.

Was that really so hard to figure out yourself, guys? Or were you so bowled over by another campaign's charge of hypocrisy that you couldn't take the time to draw the obvious conclusions.

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Robert Catalano, Salem, OR — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:48:15 GMT

You know, guys, polls about who is ahead in the polls, at this point, are pretty close to meaningless. It's like putting odds on who is going to win the 2008 World Series before the 2008 season even begins. But, I guess, if it weren't for the polls political writers might actually have to go out and dig up some corruption or malfeasance to stay busy.

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Dale, Birmingham, AL — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:56:13 GMT

If I was running her campaign, besides purging the tainted money, I would be aggressively looking at the donors to other candidates. My hope would be that all are exposed for taking tainted money and a conversation about the need for public financing of federal elections can take place. Then we can talk about the influence of unions, trial lawyers, lobbyists, et al.

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HMT-MI — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:58:10 GMT

polls mean nothing---many just lie to the pollster

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Shadow, Hamden,CT — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:00:11 GMT

I don't see how Clinton "kept up" with Obama's fundraising since he raised millions more than her for the primary in both Q1 and Q2, so that's a pretty generous assessment for the Clinton campaign.

Additionally, whoever the "rival campaign" spokesperson is that wonders why Obama's speech would be on 9/12 is an idiot. With Petreaus' testimony already taking place on 9/11, obviously Obama isn't going to stay silent on Iraq the next day, because that wouldn't do anything to lessen the implicit connection suggested by the date of the Petraeus hearing; the cat is already out of the bag. Since Obama waiting a week to speak wouldn't have done anything to lessen the impact of the poor timing of the Petraeus report, why on earth would anyone do such a thing? Total lack of common sense by this unidentified "rival campaign"...

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Rick Lapin, Albuquerque, NM — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:02:57 GMT

"Donor trouble was Clinton fear" -- that's the headline -- and so afraid of it was she that she told her aides (an' tol' 'em an' tol' em ... ) to be VERY CAREFUL so that she wouldn't APPEAR to be "greedy and ethically challenged."

[BEING greedy and ethically challenged is okay, long as you don't get caught; but APPEARING to be greedy and ethically challenged, well ... that can come back to bite ya ... so let's keep everything double-blind and decently laundered, Staff ... is that clear?]

But (apparently and alas) she couldn't control her own "over-zealous" staff -- that will be a future headline; and has anybody but me noticed how very many "over-zealous" staffers infest DC, and how their bosses are never to be blamed for their "over-zealousness"? -- which I suppose is supposed to reassure me, except that isn't A Whole Presidential Administration a lot bigger than A Campaign Staff?

And if you can't control the smaller entity, by what logic do you assure me that you CAN control the larger ... ?

If the Senator wishes me to believe that she is going to bring Personal Accountability back to the Oval Office, this is (you will forgive the crude locution) a piss-poor way to start.

"First I've heard of it! Not my fault!! Somebody Else is responsible for this undeniable outrage!!! The buck stops There!!!!"

This is what we call "change"?

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msnbc bloggers — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:04:35 GMT

Hey, Honest Abe,
Would you mind at least deleting Van's name off the bottom and eliminating the blank lines. Van uses up enough of our limited space as it is.

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Gary, Des Moines, IA — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:07:12 GMT

Jerry-- now you're the best at two things:

sucking at commenting and sucking at comedy.

I don't like Hillary, but in the most pragmatic of views she has every right to get that money back. Otherwise all Republicans should return every check they get from a CEO who earns tens of millions on the backs of low-paid, non-health-insured employees.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:17:31 GMT

jerry.....
Ah yes, the jokes here.
Maybe Fabian will SING about Romney and Giulliani to the feds.

RH....
what about the money that Alan Fabian helped to raise for Romney, and Giulliani?
How 'bout let's see THAT money, and THAT list of contributors?

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RH Oregon — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:18:53 GMT

So what J.Merle and the other girls at UNF are saying is that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Anything goes. Honesty has no place in politics. Integrity means nothing. We can vent and rant about the ills of the current administration but look forward to nothing better. The bottom line is the party line. We have no hope of better, so why try.
Nobody is excusing Alan Fabian, except maybe you. If we use your logic then because Hsu did it then Fabian should not be held accountable. As long as someone esle did it first then it's excusable to do it yourself. Time to wipe the spittle off your keyboard. And UNF, why do you set your sights so low? I can understand your desire for a woman president, but Hillary can not be the person you want for a poster child of what can be accomplished by a woman. Please look harder and find someone that my daughters when older will look back on proudly. Hillary ain't it.

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Mazie Purtle, Carmel, California — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:19:44 GMT

Perhaps Obama "spoke" yesterday instead of asking questions....but, if you really "listened", he brought out excellent facts that needed to be said....to call them to the people's attenton. Why waste time asking questions, if you know you are still going to get the same old lame responses. Might as well throw out some factual, relevant material...to help people know what has been going on.

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ANDREW W. JACKSON, DETROIT, MI. — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:23:07 GMT

THE BUSH IRAQ STRATEGY 101 : SMOKE AND MIRRORS IT WILL FOOL THE AMERICAN PUBLIC EVERY TIME. WHO IS BUYING THIS WITHDRAW CRAP ? THE IRAQI PARLEMENT WILL PROBABLY GO ON ANOTHER 1 MONTH VACATION SOON, WHY NOT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE PICKING UP THE TAB, AT A RATE OF 8-10 BILLION A MONTH,PLUS THE BLOOD OF OUR BRAVE SOLDIERS. WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE THIS BUSH "FIASCO" WILL COST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OVER A "TRILLION" DOLLARS AND HOW MANY LIVES ? FOR WHAT, TO PROTECT MR. BUSH'S ALLREADY DISASTEROUS LEGACY ? IF EVERONE IS AS FED UP, AS I'AM PLEASE CALL/WRITE/OR E-MAIL EVERY REPUBLICAN SENATOR/CONGRESSMEN DEMANDING AN "IMMEDIATE" PULL OUT FROM IRAQ. ALSO, TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW TO DO THE SAME. I HAVE ALLREADY DONE SO AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. THANK YOU AND HAVE A NICE DAY.

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Dale, MD — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:26:17 GMT

"Clinton campaign aides refused yesterday to release the names of the 260 donors whom Mr. Hsu recruited to the campaign, preferring to wait until they finish their own research on the individuals.

Keeping secrets AGAIN....this is different from Cheny how?

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Will Gibbs — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:30:05 GMT

I love how the Clinton team is doing the right thing by returning the money. However, they will not make information public that obviously should be. Why not? Because they want this story to die and also, so they can regather their dirty money in peace. Is that so wrong?

Also, under what circumstances did Samantha Wolf leave the campaign?

And how do we know that Hillary was telling her staff to be extra vigilent? Who told the press that line? Let me guess, Howard Wolfson.

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Shadow, Hamden, CT — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:32:36 GMT

I don't see how Clinton "kept up" with Obama's fundraising since he raised millions more than her for the primary in both Q1 and Q2, so that's a pretty generous assessment for the Clinton campaign.

Additionally, whoever the "rival campaign" spokesperson is that wonders why Obama's speech would be on 9/12 is an idiot. With Petreaus' testimony already taking place on 9/11, obviously Obama isn't going to stay silent on Iraq the next day, because that wouldn't do anything to lessen the implicit connection suggested by the date of the Petraeus hearing; the cat is already out of the bag. Since Obama waiting a week to speak wouldn't have done anything to reduce the impact of the poor timing of the Petraeus report, why on earth would anyone do such a thing? Total lack of common sense by this unidentified "rival campaign", and I can understand why they didn't want themselves identified...

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:37:02 GMT

CLinton won't release the names because she has to warn them.....Takes time to get the message across the ocean to china.

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Gary Schear, Bozeman Montana — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:54:53 GMT

RH Oregon--It is Congress' job to investigate everything. It's called oversight. There has been no oversight lately up until 2006. It is your right as a citizen to demand of your Congressional representatives that they investigate what you see as questionable activities. They can attempt to to get those investigations started at the committee level. Now if their party happens to be in the majority that can be pretty easy because they will control the committee chairmanships...oops..dang...That won't work for you now will it?
That's a shame because we all know that when the Rubber Stamp...er...the Republicans had control they were always even handed. They never tried to exclude the minority from committee sessions or acted as if the minorities input didn't matter, and they never investigated a real estate scam and came back with a sad desperate flawed married man lying about a blow job.

It's Karma RH...Quit whining and embrace the Horror.

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Flat-earther, Georgia — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:06:47 GMT

I think it was Tom Cruise not Cuba G.

But as always, follow the money.

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DB, Long Beach, CA — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:25:21 GMT

Maybe Hillary will FINALLY have to explain her shady and illegal dealings....wait, she still has all those files from whitewater for blackmailing purposes. This will manage to "go away" too.

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Hello World, Atlanta, GA — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:29:26 GMT

RH, The $2300 linit only applies to primary. If she gets nominated she can use another 2300 or so for the general election. You can collect the entire amount at any time but if a person do not wins the nomination they need to return the money that would have been used for General election.

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Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:49:23 GMT

$200,000.00 a minute to be in Iraq. over a trillion dollars{ $ 1,000,000,000.00} How many more brave lives lost ?

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Taildragrrr, Seattle, Washington — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:06:51 GMT

Hil steps in it again. What's new this time is she is tracking it all over the carpet and when it warms up the smell will be horrendous. But hey, she has 50% of the voters in this country in her court simply besause she is one of THEM. Doesn't matter what she is unqualified. All that matters is that she is a candidate that shakes hands while sitting down.

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Richard, FL — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:10:48 GMT

http://blogs.dmregister.com/?cat=33

Hillary is a LIAR and a snake! Iowans know it.

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Sierra, SF — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:15:42 GMT

J. Merle Stanley: 'Why should Hillary give money back that didn't come from Hsu?'

Because it's tainted money, Merle !!
Apparently, many of the 'donors' got money from a Hsu owned company. Presumably this was to launder Hsu's money !!
According to First Read, yesterday, the Clinton camoaign KNEW THE MONEY WAS DIRTY !!
But, they took it anyway, just to 'keep up' with Obama !!
Does that show honesty, Merle ?
Does that show integrity ? Why do you think these scandals keep swirling around the Clintons ?
It's and indication that they are crooke. Merle.

'Romney's campaign says it will give Alan Fabian's money back. But NOT money that came from donors Fabian arranged for. Laundering, Perjury and Obstruction of Justice.'

Teacher !! Teacher !! They did it too !!
Is that the level the Clinton cult is reduced to ??
The Republicans are crooked, why can't we be crooked too ??
They're REPUBLICANS, Merle !!
They're supposed to be crooked !!
Hillary wants the nomination of the Democratic Party!

'You would never know that because the Republican-BIASED, Conservatively-OWNED media won't tell you.'

Sorry, Merle the media is really in Hillary's court !
If you want to see BIASED coverage.....
Look at the coverage that John Edwards is getting !!
John Edwards is getting nothing but 'gotcha' coverage
You protest too much, Merle Stanley

And you're defending the indefensible !!

Hillary Clinton, years of dishonesty, scandal and divisiveness

PS: according to Republican operative, Mike Murphy on Meet the Press: ... National polls mean NOTHING before IOWA !!
Don't count your chickens before they hatch !!

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Sierra, SF — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:22:31 GMT

First Read: 'One can only imagine the finger-pointing going on inside the Clinton fundraising machine. It's never been a happy team of folks as there was some infighting over control and strategy early on.'

No honor among thieves !!

Quite a Rovian move by Teamn Clinton, 'returning' the dirty money on 9/11 to minimize press coverage !!
Hillary's chief Advisor, (union buster) Mark Penn is a Rove wannabe.

$ 850,000 is A LOT OF MONEY !!
They didn't know who Norman Hsu was ??
He had a Clinton 'aby sitter' stroking him at all times !!
I'd sure get to know anyone who was giving me $ 850,000 !!

THE BIG QUESTION:

Why would Norman Hsu give Hillary Clinton $850,000 ?
Is he THAT BIG A FAN ?
Does he like good government ?
Does he enjoy committing felonies ?
Does he like being a 'special friend' of Hillary ?
Go figure

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James, Los Angeles — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:27:16 GMT

You're so desperate to attack Clinton grasping at anything-no mention that Hsu donated to many democrats. Obama is keeping his contributions from Hsu.

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Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:36:03 GMT

............ Impeach Bush .........

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Lynn, Millington — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:36:30 GMT

James, Los Angeles said

"Obama is keeping his contributions from Hsu."

That's a LIE!

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Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:36:32 GMT

###### IMPEACH BUSH #####

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Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:37:06 GMT

zzzzzzzzzzzzz IMPEACH BUSH zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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TheRealist nyc — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:55:19 GMT

If the Senator wishes me to believe that she is going to bring Personal Accountability back to the Oval Office, this is (you will forgive the crude locution) a piss-poor way to start.

"First I've heard of it! Not my fault!! Somebody Else is responsible for this undeniable outrage!!! The buck stops There!!!!"

This is what we call "change"?

Rick Lapin, Albuquerque, NM (Sent Wednesday, September 12, 2007 11:02 AM)

Do you feel the same way about the many times that senators Obama and Edwards have blamed their staffs for their gaffes, or is Clinton the only one who is to be held accountable? Being one-sided in your criticism is not very realistic.

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Used to Be Obama Supporter, Phliadelphia — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:55:43 GMT

Obama had an opportunity to question the senior U.S. military commander in the field about events in Iraq and he choose instead to pontificate and make a long boring speech full of platitudes which we've all heard before. When he finally did getting around to a question--too bad time was almost up-- it was one that someone else had already asked. And this is the person who is suppose to bring us together? I thought that required a listening skill.I'm glad Biden choose to read a newspaper. I would have too. Obama supporters are being fooled by a man who is more interested in promoting himself and his rock star image than he is in others. This "exchange" with Petraeus shows just how shallow he is, GQ photo shoots, Hollywood parties, Broadway shows and all.

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Lyn, MD — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:56:35 GMT

James...sorry wrong. Obama returned the money 2 weeks ago, that Hsu gave his Senate campaign in 2004. All $7k.. Try again.

BTW Hillary is still deciding whether to return the money given to her Senate campaign by HSU...so she hasn't returned all the money

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MK,MO — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:00:08 GMT

James, Los Angeles / I believe obama already returned hsu's money chief

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bb — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:04:02 GMT

Oh no the other woman hater Sierra is back. Jerry is her counterpart.OBAMA got contributions from Hsu as well!

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girls at UNF — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:04:40 GMT

go Hillary, we love you and you will win!

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MK,MO — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:05:53 GMT

edwards did not take hsu's money

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Blue state baby — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:40:17 GMT

All of these attacks on here of Hillary Clinton is a direct result of the fear the repubs and "fake dems" have of her. Get use to it gang. She will be your next president.

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Molly, Iowa City — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:43:06 GMT

demagirl-

There is no reason to assume that the "rival" campaign is Biden's campaign, any more than Dodd (also on the committee) Clinton, or Edwards, or that a rival campaign even refers to a candidate, as a matter of fact if it was actually a candidate who personally spoke to Domenico, as opposed to someone working for a candidate, I'm sure "candidate" and not campaign would have been used.

I have to wonder how many Senate hearings you have watched before, if you think a Senator reading the newspaper, at the tail end of a hearing, where many Senators are re-asking prior questions is something out of the ordinary, or a slight on one particular Senator. Was Senator Biden devoting 100% of his attention to every word the Senator's prior to Obama said, and then picked up the newspaper only when it was Obama's turn? No. Biden was not being rude to Sen. Obama. Sen. Obama had 7 minutes to ask questions, or to speak, or speak and ask questions. This is the same amount of time all the Senators, other than the committee chairs, had. Watch Obama again, and you will see that he had already used his full time before he even remarked that he didn't have much time to ask anything. To which Biden responded "That's true Senator" Is that really rude? As Chairmen Sen. Biden was within his right to cut Obama off, and tell him his time is up. But he didn't. Obama then used 50 seconds to ask the same question that Sununu had just asked. Apparently he wasn't listening to what his colleagues had been asking. Despite his time having long expired and despite the one question he asked after expiration of his time having already been asked, Sen. Biden didn't tell Crocker that he didn't need to responded to Obama's untimely and repetitious question, instead he asked Crocker to briefly summarize his earlier response.

What exactly was so enligthtening about Obama's 7 plus minute speech anyway? Let's see he talked about how great the troops are, he talked about how he wished the hearing hadn't been on 9/11, 9/10 or 9/12, he talked about the fact the WH paints a picture inconsistent with the facts on the ground, and then he said that the President recently said we were kicking long pause A-S-S. Despite earlier Senators being able to quote the President and use the word "ass".

Look I like Obama, I've enjoyed meeting him (3 times to date, and I'll see him at Sen. Harkins steak fry this Sunday), but the idea that Obama had some fabulous performance yesterday, or that Sen. Biden was rude to him is a joke.

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JJ in NJ — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:49:25 GMT

It's truly astounding to look at the difference in grey matter (brain tissue) between the Republican and Democratic candidates. The Democrats are all intelligent, articulate, thoughtful people, and the Republicans are all wingnut-bots, spouting the Bush Party Line, fighting about who's the roughest and toughest, and their voters are flocking around this lamebrain actor. Now you know how we got into this mess.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:52:31 GMT

Sierra......the money isn't tainted if it came from the donors bank accounts and not from Hsu's. Hillary's people are trying to determine that, and they are willing to give back whatever came from Hsu himself.
The fact of the matter is, that no matter what First Read reported yesterday, or ANYDAY, there is absolutely NO evidence whatsoever that any candidate who received money from Hsu, including Hillary, knew of his past.
By contrast, The Romney Campaign has flat out stated they will NOT give back money from donors who's contributions were arranged by Alan Fabian.
.....and RH;
YOU are the one who saying that "if one does it, they all can do it." Not me.
My message is very clear; I strongly object to the media picking on Hillary for the Hsu thing, while allowing Romney and Giulliani to get a pass on the Fabian thing.
YOU seem to think that's fine.
YOU seem to think that it's okay to make inuendo without evidence, and accusations without facts against Hillary.
But, you dont want THE TRUTH told about Romney's and Giulliani's campaign financing sources.
Hsu was arrested because he didn't report to jail for something he did 15 years ago.
Fabian was arrested for (among other things) MONEY LAUNDERING and BANKRUPTCY FRAUD!
Get a clue RH!

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john mcclurg, marysville WA — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:53:36 GMT

Lordy, lordy,the great unwashed are still out there opining about politics and the character of the characters--although few of them have reached their conclusions with the help of any discoverable brain cells. I fear we can anticipate another loser in the White House courtesy of My Fellow Americans.

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Jim, Santa Cruz — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:04:19 GMT

Right on Gary

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:10:14 GMT

sierra has no credibility.
She lost it when she chose to post flippant, disrespectful, and smarmy commentary about 911 yesterday.
sierra is a very naive and immature person, and she should grow up.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:19:17 GMT

".....I will not vote for (Hillary). If she wins the Democratic nomination, I hope that Fred Thompson or Mitt Romney wins the Republican nomination. At least then I'll have someone with a little bit of integrity to vote for.
Mike K, Denver (Sent Wednesday, September 12, 2007 10:03 AM)

MIKE,
PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT MITT ROMNEY'S NATIONAL FUNDRAISING CO-CHAIRMAN, ALAN FABIAN, WAS INDICTED ON AUGUST 9TH FOR 23 COUNTS OF MAIL FRAUD, BANKRUPTCY FRAUD, MONEY LAUNDERING, PERJURY, AND OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.
HILLARY CLINTON'S CAMPAIGN HAS ANNOUNCED THEY WILL GIVE BACK ALL THE MONEY THAT WAS RAISED BY AND WENT THROUGH HSU's BANK ACCOUNT.
BY CONTRAST, THE ROMNEY CAMPAIGN HAS STATED FLAT OUT THAT IT WHILE IT WILL RETURN ALAN FABIAN's PERSONAL CONTRIBUTION, IT WILL NOT RETURN ANY MONEY THAT CAME FROM DONORS FABIAN COURTED.
You're going to have to explain to me how that equates to..."someone with a little bit of integrity to vote for"...
Yer full of it Mike! You're just a republiCANT party hack, and a Clinton hater.

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CitizenJ — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:36:23 GMT

So, there was an email circulating within the Clinton campaign warning about Hsu, and they couldn't figure it out and "were surprised" about it.

I remember this story about a memo circulating around the Bush White House about how bin Ladin wanted to strike us on our own soil and they couldn't figure it out and "were surprised" by it.

This is too eerie and disturbing for me to give her my vote.

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Pooper Scooper — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:38:21 GMT

Hillary plans to return the $850,000, but expects the same donors to take it with one hand and return them back to her using the other hand. This is because, she has already promised them favors once she is in the white house. I want somebody who is following this to release the names of the 260 chinese to whom she is giving the money.

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Enrique Hinojosa,Irving,Texas — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:45:56 GMT

This just shows how scared the right wing is of Senator Clinton. She will whip any of the old farts the right wing has running for president. They will try to swiftboat her just like they did to Kerry. But the Senator is a lot smarter and she will fight back,unlike Kerry. Kerry did not stand up to the right wing and the rest is history.
The right wing keeps trying to bring back things that President Clinton did,but all of that is not related to the present. They will dig up as much dirt as they can,but it won't work. We,the voters,know what the hate mongers in the republican party are up too,and it will not work.
She will be nominated and she will win by a landslide. JulieAnnie,Thompson and McCain old farts that don't stand a chance. They have to many skeletons in their closets.

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Eric Hunter, LA-CA — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:59:32 GMT

James, Los Angeles You're so desperate to attack Clinton grasping at anything-no mention that Hsu donated to many democrats. Obama is keeping his contributions from Hsu.

Maybe now's the time to take a step back and ask ourselves just where did the Democrats get all the record setting contributions?

Just went over to the hillaryclinton.com site - Hsu is still listed as a "HillRaiser". There is always hope I guess that this Hsu fiasco is just a big misunderstanding. Just blame it on Rove and moveon.

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Enrique Hinojosa,Irving,Texas — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:01:19 GMT

I understand that when McCain made his last trip to Iraq,he paid $2500 to each shop owner so they could open their shops and make it look like things were going well in the area he was at. Is this the kind of president we want in America,I guess not? He is a manipulator just like Bush. Anyway,McCain has no chance of winning the nomination,one of the other old farts will beat him out,probably JulieAnnie or maybe Mormon,or the movie star,the one that is married to a woman 40 years younger then he is. I bet he can't keep up with her,in bed.

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H P Boston — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:09:31 GMT

WHAT A CROCK!
More lies and fuzzy stats to follow tomorrow night. The idiot in thief will have us so dizzy with spin, that is the reason we puke when he tries to read and speak at the same time.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:29:52 GMT

".....Teacher !! Teacher !! They did it too !!
Is that the level the Clinton cult is reduced to ??
The Republicans are crooked, why can't we be crooked too ??
They're REPUBLICANS, Merle !!
They're supposed to be crooked !!
Hillary wants the nomination of the Democratic Party!....."

First off sierra, there is absolutely NO evidence to suggest that any candidate who took money from Hsu or from donors that Hsu recruited, including Hillary, knew anything about his past.
Secondly, you have missed the point here entirely.
The Fabian indictment was barely reported, in spite of the fact that he was involved with two (2) different candidates, Romney and Giulliani, as either a fundraiser or a donor.
On the other hand, the media....and I might add some very disengenuous people like yourself.....have POUNCED on the Hsu story even without any credible evidence of wrongdoing on Hillary's part.

"Sorry, Merle the media is really in Hillary's court ! ".....

Oh it is, sierra?...That's absolutely LAUGHABLE in light of what we've seen reported on this board alone, and the fact that First Read DID NOT cover the Fabian indictment with the same verve they have approached the Hsu situation.

"...You protest too much, Merle Stanley ..."

Excuse me, sierra?!
Want to see what protesting too much is? Take a good long, look at your own dietribal postings, and vitriolic rants about the Clintons!

In the end you are an Obama HACK, who employs the absolute worst grammer and spelling I have ever seen on a message board or "blog."
Furthermore you were childishly insensitive yesterday with the things you posted about 911. That tells me a lot about your intelligence level, and your maturity.
Aliken to the qualifications of the candidate you support for President, Barrack Obama, you have neither the mental capacity, nor the experience to fill the role to which you aspire on this board.
You need to stop being so "biased" against Hillary, since it's obvious that you don't know what you're talking about.
...and ya' know what else sierra?
You need to grow up.

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ki houston — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:14:56 GMT

james ,yea obamas keeping like all $4,000 . what a crook . oh maby he is keeping it because you cant possibly bundle $4,000 bucks that the clintons more than likly had hsu plant since she already new it was bad money and could give her an out if she was cought. just a thought .

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Rick Lapin, Albuquerque, NM — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:11:22 GMT

The Realist nyc -- Yeah, I feel exactly the same about Edwards and Obama.

Senator Clinton was under discussion at this particular moment.

And thanks for repeating my characterization -- every little bit of reinforcement helps!

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Houston — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:17:03 GMT

[[ Yet as a rival campaign points out to First Read, if that’s true, why is he giving an Iraq speech today on September 12?]]

You guys in the media are doing everything you can to help the GOP win. Otherwise, you'd be asking: why did Giulliani use the Sept. 11 memorial ceremony in New York as a campaign photo op?

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Rick Lapin, Albuquerque, NM — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:27:06 GMT

By the by, Realist -- being one of a crowd of offenders is not a very compelling defense.

Just sorta solidifies your position as one of the common run of riff-raff we are currently accepting as our leaders.

Simply put: I will not vote for X if I don't like what X does just because X says: "Well, Y does it too!"

And I cannot take anyone seriously who would ...

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Enrique Hinojosa,Irving,Texas — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:55:06 GMT

All the right wing nuts keep blaming the democrats for not doing enough to end the war. I want to ask all of you right winger,how in hell can they stop the war and Bush's veto pen,if they don't have a true majority in either chamber? The democrats need a total of 67 votes in the Senate to over-ride a veto,they don't have that. So how can they get anything done with a one vote majority. If they had the 67 votes required,this war would have been stopped months ago. In the House they have the same problem.
So for any body to blame the democrats for the mess in Iraq,is stupid just like Bush. Bush does not want to be known for the president that lost the war,so he is going to leave this mess for the next president. I pray to God that we elect a Democrat with big enough cojones so we can end this mess,once and for all. This war is Bush's war and now he wants to leave the mess for somebody else to fix.
I lot of people feel like Bush needs to be impeached for all the wrong he has done to our country. I feel the same way.

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Real Democrat, CA — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:56:13 GMT

Hillary is politics version of "Hsu"-less Joe Jackson...Looks like she's wearing the wrong Hsu-size!
...and BTW you Hillo-philes there's a huge difference between the $7K donated to Obama in '04 and the $850K donated to Hillary.

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Enrique Hinojosa,Irving,Texas — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:58:58 GMT

This Obama fella,is not what you people think he is. He does not have the experience needed to be Commander In Chief.WE have already been fooled onece by Bush,let's not go through that mess again.

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Jacob Kagak, Barrow Alaska — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:28:52 GMT

For once Clinton may be right, the money fro hsu is hers donated from him and only him not from believers that donated when hsu plead to donate. Veterans unite, Clinton do not have experience in fighting for America, she rather give away. President Bush may never have that experience, but Osama Bin Ladin is afraid of President Bush. Golly, so many wanabees, even actors, keep on plugging Rudy for America, Senator from NY is not representing you she is for big money and her own interest. Remember "Stand by your man". Freedom cost more than money, but precious and may be dwindling today as President Bush leads on for all of us and with a lot of sacrafices. Thank God for him, courageous as he is and his family. God Bless America and President Bush & Family.

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Jacob Kagak, Barrow Alaska — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:32:20 GMT

Thank you, but Glory be and God Bless. Or is that too moderate? Dare & double dare.

Jacob an Inupiaq from Barrow.

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Brad Childress, Houston TX — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:57:44 GMT

Enrique says: I want to ask all of you right winger,how in hell can they stop the war and Bush's veto pen,if they don't have a true majority in either chamber?

Simple. By not passing any bills that fund the war effort. Pelosi and Reid only have to not bring the bill to their floors for a vote.

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H P Boston — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:14:53 GMT

Brad Childress EXACTLY!!!!! Do not bring any bills to the floor for a vote! The House and Congress are not under Bushes thumb. Congress is a separate, coequal part of our government. Do your job Congress and save our country from the WORST president ever!