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Walt Henderson, Underwood IA — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:18:58 GMT

Report: NBC/NJ's Carrie Dann reports that Biden today will pick up the endorsement of Iowa House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy.

Somehow this matters?

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:26:13 GMT

Ehhhh John?

MSNBC????????
Fox news is seen by more people in that time slot then all the other news channels combined.

So Norman Hsu tried to go Vince Foster on us huh?
He must really have some info on Hillary that made him try that. Why didn't he just drive somewhere and blow his brains out like Vince did? I wonder why Vince Foster killed himself, he must have known the truth about Hillary as well.

Hillary may as well give up and go home. The only people that want her to win are guaranteed 4 years of investigations and hearings week in and week out.

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Frank Winters, Raytown, KS — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:01:57 GMT

“Edwards has bought two minutes of air time on MSNBC,” and "The ad likely will cost between $100,000 and $150,000."

So does Edwards get the same discount Moveon.org got from the NY Times? Usually a full page ad in the Times costs $165,000. Moveon paid $65,000.

The NY Times and NBC, the media outlets for free (or largely discounted) Democratic propaganda.

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Robert Catalano, Salem, OR — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:21:26 GMT

Good morning Jerry, more people watch Fox News for a simple reason: it's much easier to drink kool-aid than it is to swallow the truth.

To Frank in Raytown, newspapers give discounts to non-profit groups, political or otherwise all of the time. It is a standard practice in the business. Prove to me that the Washington Times or the New York Post have not done this for conservative causes. If you're gonna tell a story you should tell the whole story.

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Dr. Greg, Birmingham, AL — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:22:10 GMT

"The new Los Angles Times/Bloomberg polls in the early states finds voters who are the most anti-war are siding with Clinton. "Many of those voters who want an immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops support her candidacy and consider her best able to end the war, as do many who back a more gradual drawdown…"

Is this the same group that was polled that had about a third or so still believe that Saddam Hussain was linked to 9/11 and had purchased enriched uranium from Niger? Senator Clinton is many things, but to say she dominates as the "anti-war" candidate is hard to swallow. Where - and HOW - do they get their data?

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MIke RC, Rockwall, Texas — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:27:13 GMT

To my fellow Texan, Jerry, from Corpus Christi. Can I interpret your comment as indicating that you accept that Vince Foster actually killed himself. I was always troubled by the way certain elements of the extremely conservative faction tried to imply/persuade that Foster had been executed.

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Terry — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:35:44 GMT

As to free media propaganda, Bush and the GOP have gotten a free media ride for over 6 years - up to and including the simpering coverage of the Petreaus report. Read Media Matters/Altermann today to see the national media coverage breakdown coast to coast - conservatives have it almost everywhere by a wide margin...but then mainstream media is owned largely by neocons and their minions - spinmeister neocon journalists and media 'commentators' abound, and unfortunately many so-called liberal/progressive jounalists are eating their own young, doing their part in keeping yellow journalism alive and well - ego is an ugly thing in the world of information dissemination - that is, 'objective' news coverage and truth in reporting --- not.

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TJB, Scottsdale — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:31:19 GMT

hmmmm Hsu would of thought??....Hillary, hillary, the heavily bottomed, sound byte, queen is certainly cut from the same cloth as her philandering, perjury prone husband.

She flew her flag high when she said, "lobbyist's are real people too"...Now, we find that, that statement must apply to con-men, flim flam artists and racketeers as well. This is the reason that controversey and scandal always follow the Clinton's for they can't find it in themselves to place morality, or law, in front of their blind ambition....What's amazing, is she's old school, hackneyed and a product of the "system" and you'd better think long and hard before you vote this jugular cutting bitch into office....

As an example of the mercenary female politician's "Peter Principle" you have to look no further than the laughable, sophmoric antics of "Speaker" Nancy Peolsi...."She" was going to take charge, pass 100 laws in the first 60 days.....Now, with that said and done, she's got the job and she's deservedly garnering the lowest approval ratings in the history of same......Switching from Pelosi to Clinton...Aside from being a woman, the first "Lady", (talk about a misnomer), What has Clinton done? What is her crowning achievement?.....Aside from sticking with Bill when he was burning through zippers, nothing, she's no more than a resume of unfinished sentences and flip-flops......tell'em anything, just get that vote!!!! Wake up.......Clinton is another zero, being pushed by big interests, lobbyists and worse.

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:51:30 GMT

Things are more confused than ever. Sheesh! How can Hillary be viewed as the anti-war candidate when she ingenuously voted to authorize the president to use force in Iraq without first reading the NIE concerning (the lack of certainty about the presence of) WMD and then voted against the Levin amendment, which was to provide congressional oversight (to reign in the anticipated insanity of our cowboy president)? Now, she's the anti-war candidate?! Give me a break. Wake up people and take your Alzheimer's meds. The true anti-Iraq war candidates are Obama (speech 2002), Kucinich and Paul (voted against authorization in 2002). Take your pick. Obama wants to go after Al-Qaeda where they live, in the mountains of Tora Bora and in Pakistan (with our without our dictator friend, Musharraf). Again if you're interested in American security, take your pick.
Obama '08

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:54:39 GMT

Vince Foster must have had some serious issues with Hillary to put a gun to his head.

Norman Hsu must have had some serious issues with Hillary to attempt suicide.

Wonder what is really in those warehouses she won't let anybody see until after November 2008?

If I was district attorney, i would cut a deal with Hsu.....probation in exchange for everything Hillary knew about her campaign money system.

The best is yet to come!

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tuck,realityville, kansas — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:04:08 GMT

when is obama returning his $$$ from Hsu?

oh, he doesn't have to cause the obama folks don't care about his mafia ties,etct

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Steve P., Phoenix, AZ. — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:07:54 GMT

Wow!! First we had Kerry the FLIP-FLOPPER, now we have Clinton the FLIP-FLOPPER!! Will the political BS ever stop?

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bb — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:19:45 GMT

TJB, the way you speak about women speaks volumes about you. Another man who despises females. Wow, what a shock. Your a repub no doubt.

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Darrius, Arkansas — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:24:01 GMT

"The new Los Angles Times/Bloomberg polls in the early states finds voters who are the most anti-war are siding with Clinton. "Many of those voters who want an immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops support her candidacy and consider her best able to end the war, as do many who back a more gradual drawdown…"

That is just hilarious. Hillary Clinton is unelectable.

These anti-war Democrats who support Hillary do know that the Republican candidate will have the advantage on the war, right. The Republican candidate, be he Rudy, Fred, or Romney; will not have voted for the war. Furthermore, he will be a Republican and will be assumed to be better on national defense, terrorism, war, and other military matters by default.

Hillary Clinton would be on the right of the war in a general election. As the only one who voted for it she would be the Pro-war candidate.

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Frank Winters, Raytown, KS — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:29:08 GMT

>>> To Frank in Raytown, newspapers give discounts to non-profit groups, political or otherwise all of the time. It is a standard practice in the business. Prove to me that the Washington Times or the New York Post have not done this for conservative causes. If you're gonna tell a story you should tell the whole story.

You prove it Robert. You're making the claim, you do your own research. The NY Times gave Moveon a 60% discount for a full page ad, and that is a fact.

Show us all one time another newspaper did the same for a conservative activist group. You're claiming they did, you prove it. Until then, you doing nothing but blabbering.

The NY Times has been fronting for the Democrats for years, why should they stop now?

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Stopwatchingfoxnews, Rochester, NY — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:42:32 GMT

Hey Jerry, again with Vince Foster? Seriously? Hsu gave money to the entire democratic party, not just Hillary. He also gave to Obama.(Tuck, youre totally right) The media just uses Clintons name to get headlines.

TJB- Pelosi said she would pass 6 major laws in a 100 days. They passed them all and Bush vetoed all of them except the Min wage. Get your facts straight.

As for the people who are complaining that Clinton is the anti war candidate. I got news for you, every Democrat running for President is an anti war candidate. If Hillary gets the nomination, please go vote for the republican, we don't want people who claim their democrats talking trash against other democrats. The fact is, you are going to vote for whoever the Democrat nominee is and if you don't you never were a Democrat. If you vote republican just because you don't like Hillary, then you are an idiot.

Steve P, all politicians are flip floppers. Get a dose of reality. I can find a flip flop from every candidate running.

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bb — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:03:05 GMT

Darrius/jerry your gonna be weeping like a baby on election day when Hillary wins. HaHa!

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Mark Thieme — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:09:41 GMT

Know this: Like it or not, the most efficiently devastating political force in America is not Bushco. The only people they really fear are the Clintons.

For very good reason.

The point is, there is no one who can stop them now, Democrat or republican. All the Dems running are running for a place on the Clinton roster after the blitzkrieg (election) is over.

Will she end the war? Expand federally based health-care systems? Talk to our allies like a sociopathic dimestore cowboy? Who knows? I say, two out of three ain't bad.

One thing for sure, she will kick ass like it hasn't been kicked for a long time.

Hang on, it's gonna be a long, strange trip. Don't worry, we're going to get our money's worth. Sit back and watch the show. Hee haw!

(Full disclosure: I actively and professionally support Barack Obama, but I am close enough to see that the fix is in, from top to bottom. Even if Obama wins in Iowa, he is still running for a cabinet post and he, more than anyone, knows it.)

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tuck,realityville, kansas — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:10:25 GMT

frankie, why do you advertize that you're ignorant of how the media works?

sheesh, it's like your real name is george

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Dr. Gary, Hinsdale, IL — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:20:13 GMT

To Darrius, Arkansas
I'm a republican myself, but unfortunately Republicans have lost all credibility when it comes to national security, defense and protecting our borders. With the mess of the Iraq war, more anti-american feelings, border security and the airport mess...along with the fiscal behaivior that Bush has followed in the last 7 years, many have lost faith in the Republican party. I think they will vote for Hillary because she is a democrat, not because she is Hillary.
It doesn't matter which democrat gets the nomination, the democrats and independents of this country will unite behind him/her. However, republicans are divided over the social vs. policy vs. fiscal issues and the party has been hijacked by right-wing social conservatives. It is a pity but Guliani will not stand a chance with his own party.

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Mark Thieme — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:38:29 GMT

Addendum:

3 things could keep Hillary Clinton out of the White House:

1. Imposition of martial law before elections or inauguration.

2. Personal disaster (you fill in the blank)

3. Well timed political land mine planted by Bushco.

While Bushco is not beyond any dastardly deed, as history will attest, they are not likely to pull off anything as drastic as these three game-plan possibilities in this election.

Why? Because the intensely ruthless Clinton Department of Defense has Bushco cornered (again). All off the record. Way off.

So, short of a Doctor Strangelove ending, this play will be over in three acts and four standing ovations.

PS: Laura's neck is fine now.

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Stacy S. Medford OR — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:46:15 GMT

This republican will be voting for Joe Biden. The candidate with a viable plan for getting us out of Iraq in either party.

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jjg, ms — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:51:43 GMT

Uh-oh, Napoleon-complex Rudy's ex campaign manager dumping him for Clinton.... Interesting that the more individuals get to know him, the less they respect and like him. This, according to reports, is just the opposite of the trend that we see with Clinton. Not a good sign for Rudy.

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George — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:53:02 GMT

Dear Mr. Fix-it,

Please tell all us poor, not close enough folk, exactly who put the fix in, how it's been fixed, and which cabinet post Obama is taking.
I, for one am grateful that I won't have to bother standing in line to vote in the primary or general election, now that I have been told that the outcome is a forgone conclusion, fait accompli, you know, fixed, but other people may still want to waste their time with the whole political process thing.

Why do you believe this? Do you have proof? Is this just a pre-emptive strike at whoever gets the nomination, that they didn't win fair-and-square?
That doesn't seem very sporting of you.

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Keith — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:56:16 GMT

Pay attention to Bill Richardson. He has broad appeal, and would easily defeat any of the Republican candidates.

http://www.richardsonforpresident.com/issues/

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Frank Winters, Raytown, KS — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:02:42 GMT

tuck,realityville, kansas frankie, why do you advertize that you're ignorant of how the media works?

Oh, we know how the media works. NY Times, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, la dee da, all front for the Democrats.

And yet, big smart tough guy like you can't show one example of the same being done for the Republicans.

Got something? Show it.

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RC — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:23:14 GMT

George
Im with you. Who is this Mark Theme anyway? Never heard of him. He's got it all figured doenst he? Nobody knows this much.
I support Ron Paul and I don't beleive in any FIX. If anything Dr Paul is getting the short end of the stick.
Go Ron Paul!!!!!

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:33:18 GMT

Mark - One of these days we should have a conversation re: Obama and why you support him. Unlike many of the overly zealous advocates here, I view you as being reasonable...which may or not be accurate. :)

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Sara, Cedar Rapids, Iowa — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:48:25 GMT

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Rufus Gibbons, DC — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:17:04 GMT

TJB the politician who best fit the Peter Principle was Dwight Eisenhower he did one thing that was good for the country and that was accidental. He is the father of the Interstate highway system because it would facilitate troop movements, when we became concerned about gold outflow he wanted to restrict the amount of money the military could take off base in foreign countries the pitiful amount we were paid would not even have been felt. He was totally incompetent. His cabinet ran the country his secretary of defense Engine Charlie Wilson former GM president arranged for us to reimburse GM for a ball bearing factory in Germany (which we destroyed because it was a former Opel plant. Since he was a war hero the comedians gave him a free ride with the exception of Victor Borge who cracked "I am just like president Eisenhower when my mind is made up I am a quivering mass of indecision.

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Rufus Gibbons, DC — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:27:35 GMT

Darius... "The highest form of patriotism is dissent"... Thomas Jefferson

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Mark Thieme — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:40:47 GMT

Carrie:
Simple answer to the Obama question. This is my vocation. It is in my personal interest to support him. He will be a player for a long time if he keeps his hands clean.

I write this stuff because I am appalled at how little the average person is allowed to see of the actual process. And I do so at some risk.

How can anyone feel truly a part of the process when so much happens behind the curtain?

By the way, "fix" merely refers to political deals made in anticipation of an outcome. I know nothing about Bushco's vote stealing... knowledge of that could land you in prison.

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H P Boston — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:47:51 GMT

Mark....You must be SANTA CLAUS! I love my gift!

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John A Stump, Topeka, KS — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:51:23 GMT

Who ever I vote for will win the election. I been voting for the best person dem or repub for over 50 years. I have never voted for a looser. I am voting for Hillary next year. So now you know your winner, so forget about it.

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Walt Henderson, Underwood IA — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:53:49 GMT

Walt Henderson,

The reason it matters is because Iowa representatives usually don't endorse candidates they don't think have a chance. So even though the MSM thinks the race is only between Clinton, Obama and Edwards, the people on the ground know otherwise, which is why Sen. Biden has more endorsements in Iowa from current Iowa legislators than any other candidate.

Well know, thats going to be a real nasty surprise to Biden. Seems McCarthy had previously endorsed Lieberman back in 2004. That kind of blows the "not endorsing candidates that don't have a chance argument" out of the water. Looks like McCarthy endorsed Biden back in 2000 also. Gore won by a lot.

So again, how does this matter?

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Joan Gordon, Santa Barbara, CA — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:00:11 GMT

Go, Joe! You've got the goods. The man with a plan.

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Jake Garris — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:54:30 GMT

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Tom Dunn, Central Square, NY — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:56:51 GMT

Darius... "The highest form of patriotism is dissent"... Thomas Jefferson

Rufus - This quote, commonly mis-attributed to Thomas Jefferson, actually belongs to Dorothy Hewitt Hutchinson, a well-known World War II pacifist, who wouldn't tolerate any dissent from her own views about staying out of war.

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Robert Catalano, Salem, OR — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:11:42 GMT

Hey Frank Winters, my you are an angry fellow. Here's your refutation from a report on this discount from another news organization:

"There's just one problem. The $65,000 rate is the Times' normal rate for an advocacy ad from a non-profit group, according to newspaper spokeswoman Catherine Mathis."

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Sara, Cedar Rapids, Iowa — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:25:19 GMT

Walt Henderson: You state "Well know, thats going to be a real nasty surprise to Biden. Seems McCarthy had previously endorsed Lieberman back in 2004. That kind of blows the "not endorsing candidates that don't have a chance argument" out of the water. Looks like McCarthy endorsed Biden back in 2000 also. Gore won by a lot.

So again, how does this matter?"

I really doubt that McCarthy endorsed Lieberman, I don't recall Lieberman had any Iowa House or Senate endorsements, he had so little support, despite the BS polls showing him in third in double digits in August, that he withdrew from Iowa in early September of 03. Biden did not run for any race in 2000, he ran for re-election in 2002, and he ran for President in 1988, so I'm pretty sure that McCarthy didn't endorse Biden in 2000 given he wasn't running for anything, that would have been extremely dumb! I wonder if you are even from Iowa, because you certainly don't know much about the state! If endorsements from Iowa legislators were meaningless candidates would try hard to get them, and wouldn't list them on their websites. Bottom line is Biden has more endorsements from Democrats in the Iowa House and Senate than any other candidate, and that is a sign of support.

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Kenny, Iowa — Sun, 16 Sep 2007 05:13:17 GMT

Hillary has always waited for the wind to blow before putting her foot down. And it has always been in the direction of the wind. She has never spoken her mind, for fear that she might say something that will drive some voters away. A person like that is not good to lead the country. She will wait for how other countries are doing things and just be a follower, rather than a leader. A leader leads by making their point and are successful in convincing the public to rally behind them. A follower like Hillary just doesn't cut it.