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George — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:47:30 GMT

"I said I'm not afraid of losing a propaganda battle to a bunch of dictators. That sends a signal to the world."

What signal do you think it sends to the world? What kind of signal does it send to the republicans who would be running against him, if he wins the nomination, and how would they use it against him?
Saying that you are willing to lose ANY kind of battle to dictators doesn't sound like a good thing to be quoted as saying if you have to run against the republicans, IMO
I hope that all the democratic candidates keep in mind that they will have to answer for everything they say during the primary season in the general election.

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Chuck, NY — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:54:28 GMT

Senator Obama always seems to capture the issues in their true essance. He has always impressed me with this uncanny ability. I suspect that the closer we get to the first cycle of primaries, the greater his support will grow.

If he is elected, I can see him succesfully making trips to Islamic countries and stemming the tide of anti-American sentiment.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:56:16 GMT

Um, how about consulting a map. It's MAQUOKETA, not Maquoqueta.

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nuanced — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:24:17 GMT

Come Home America

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DAniel, chandler, AZ — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:26:37 GMT

OBAMA is slowly but surely getting his message out in rural and urban parts of the first battel groud states. History is going to repeat come voting day.... he was not known in Illinios when he was running for the Senate, but at the end of the day he won a land slide! Watch my words..... The Illinois history will repeat itself....in IOWA, NewHampshire, S. Carolina and NEvada!

DAniel

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Elizabeth Sullivan, San Diego, CA — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:46:09 GMT

"He has always impressed me with this uncanny ability."
Really? See, I haven't learned enough about his accomplishments. I like him but his resume is weak. How about 8 years as VP. I don't say that flippantly. He needs to be red-shirted.

Biden/Obama 08
Today, Tomorrow, Together.

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FL — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:55:34 GMT

This man can and will be President. The Repubs are desperate and will say anything but people are wise to the slime they spew. This country needs him now more then ever.

Obama 08

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Darrius, Arkansas — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:06:43 GMT

But you haven't learned enough about Hillary Clinton's accomplishments either, have you Elizbeth? That's because she has less accomplishments than Obama.

But back on the war.

If Hillary Clinton wins the nomination she will put Democrats on the pro-war side of the debate. She voted for the war and the Republican will have voted against it.

Her position on the war will be most indefensible in the General Election.

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Bruce, NV — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:09:45 GMT

Does Barack think he can talk Iran out of its nuclear ambitions? Does he think we should? Does he think the USA shoul dallow the mullahs to have great power in the middle east?

Inquiring minds want to know.

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Charles Kushner — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:14:38 GMT

George, you just twisted Senator Obama's words. And we can all see that you did since it's right there at the top. Obama said, and I want you to actually read slash listen this time, that he is "not afraid of losing a PR war" he did NOT say he is willing to lose anything. He meant that he is so confident that we as a country are correct that he isn't afraid of standing up to bullies and dictators. he's not a coward like you george, he's got balls, what do you have? Besides an attention problem?

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GSL, Peoria, IL — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:21:43 GMT

Silly Bruce -- The Ayatollah (and mullahs in many regions in the Middle East, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India) already has all the power. Do you think THEY should "allow" the USA to have great power in the Middle East? Where did you get your edumacashun anyway??

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Jim Frego, Grants Pass, OR Capt. US Army (ret.) — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:28:41 GMT

Listening to Petraeus and Crocker this week I heard Al Qaeda this, Al Qaeda that, Al Qaeda will establish terrorist training camps if we leave , Al Qaeda's influence will spread to all the other nations in the region, Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda, and Al Qaeda.

How many Al Qaeda terrorists did they say have been killed or captured since the "SURGE" began? They could not recall!
How many Al Qaeda terrorists did they say are still in Iraq? They do not have a current estimate!
How long did they say will it take to kill or capture the remaining Al Qaeda in Iraq? They will back get to Congress in March 2008 with an Estimate!
How has 100,000 Iraqi's per month that are being displaced from their homes since the surge began to refugee camps, other nations, or to other areas of the same ethnicity affected the reduction in VIOLENCE? It has had some affect but we can not quantify it.
How long did they say will it take to "WIN" the WAR? We can only see 4 - 6 months into the future and we will not have won by then. We will give you a update in March 2008.
Did General Petraeus say the War in Iraq was making us safer here in the homeland? He said: " I'm not sure it is making America safer."

Note: The estimates of the size of Al Qaeda in Iraq according the Brookings Institution Iraq Index was less than 10 in January 2003, about 3000 in July 2006, and about 5000 in July 2007. The Reuters factbox talley indicates we have killed less than 200 since Jan. 2007.
The size of the Iraq Security Force is over 350,000 and over 200,000 of them can operate with minimal or no US Troop Support.What will they be doing if we draw down to a typical peacekeeping force of 45,000 troops?

Jim Frego
Grants Pass, OR

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Bee — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:29:33 GMT

Bruce, go read the "confession of an economic hit man" if you really want to understand why the Iran hated America.

I think that book we give you a good insight on what happen in 1983 regarding Iran and USA. However, i think we can still talk them out of their Nuclear Weapon if we negotiate with an open mind.

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Emile Riley, Alabama — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:35:55 GMT

Obama is betting the farm (and the election) on his far-left positions. Sounds like the doings of a desperate man. Me thinks he'll be regretting his words soon enough.

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Lee Holmes — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:38:01 GMT

Barak Chamberlain. ''Peace''In Our Time.

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Elizabeth Sullivan, San Diego, CA — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:40:30 GMT

Darrius,

I agree about Hillary. I am not a supporter. But, I don't get it when you say "the Repubs will have voted against it"? I don't recall Repubs voting against the war.

Hillary has moved so far to the left that any Republican candidate can position themselves just to the right of her and pick up moderate Dems and Repubs and win the election.

Also, especially with the Hsu thing, I am tired of Hillary and all the drama that goes with her. Let's move on.

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Shadow, Hamden, CT — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:50:37 GMT

George - Facing our enemies head on while unafraid of losing a propaganda war is a sign of strength, not weakness; I don't see how being unafraid translates into "being willing to lose". After all, I'm not afraid that a fly is going to to kick my ass if I go outside, but that doesn't mean I'm *willing* to have my ass kicked by a fly; it just means I'm not going to cower indoors because a fly is going to get me.

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:08:28 GMT

Bruce: 'Does Barack think he can talk Iran out of its nuclear ambitions? ...........

Bruce, you can't talk the Iranians out of ANYTHING if you don't talk to them.
George and Hillary are afraid of talking to the Iranians.
Why ? We talked to Stalin, Khrushchev, Mao, etc....
What's so frightening about talking to iran ??
Does Hillary thing the Iranians will 'fool' her like George Bush and Bill did ?

.... Does he think the USA shoul dallow the mullahs to have great power in the middle east? ' .......

It's NOT America's place to decide who has power and who doesn't have power.
The Iranians are native to the Middle East.
It's America that's intruding and trying to dominate.
George Bush increased Irans relative power by toppling their two antogonistic neighbors.
Actions have consequences......

Inquiring minds want to know.
Bruce,

Glad to educate you, Bruce
Keep asking questions......
And try opening up your mind

Oh, you're welcome, Bruce

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:15:41 GMT

Elizabeth Sullivan: 'I like him but his resume is weak. How about 8 years as VP. I don't say that flippantly. He needs to be red-shirted.'

Elizabeth Sullivan, you seem to think that only 'Washington insiders' can lead our nation.
Sorry, I thin you're wrong.
All knowledge and leadership does not reside in DC.

FDR wasn;t an insider, Eisenhower wasn't an insider, Reagan (my bete noir) and Clinton were both outsiders.
How would you rate their performances ??

Joe Biden is 'experienced' but he blew the biggest decision of his career, his vote for the Iraq War...

That doesn't say much ofr experience.

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:26:11 GMT

Lee Holmes: 'Barak Chamberlain. ''Peace''In Our Time....'

Lee Holmes,
how about George (E Newman) Bush 'Mission Accomplished' ?
or Dick Cheney 'we'll be greeted as liberators' ?
maybe Donald Rumsfeld 'a few dead enders' ?

Better yet, Richard Nixon 'I am not a crook'

sound good to you, Lee ??

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George — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:06:50 GMT

Those who resort to personal attacks while not even considering, let alone answering the questions asked because they are so insecure in their support and obviously uncaring about the implications are fools.

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Lee Holmes — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:09:54 GMT

Nope. But neither does naively believing that you can bring enemies to a peace table from a position of weakness,which the Arab and the Persian will exploit to the fullest. You forget that Iran has no plans whatver to drop its bomb program and is militarily attacking Iraq as we speak in Kurdistan which it seeks to invest along with the Persian Gulf. Obamas ''UN'' will be even more worthless than it has already been in tiny Lebanon. [Forget Iraq. All it took was one blast and the UN was in full flight to get out].You people are basing your hopes on a chimera. Obama will accomplish nothing while Iran moves to take over the Middle East and prepare the way for a war that will make all that has gone before look like a skirmish. Thus,''Chamberlain''. In a eight-dollar-per gallon,12%[or worse] unemployment America.

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Elizabeth Sullivan, San Diego, CA — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:22:06 GMT

FDR: State Senator, Asst Secretary of the Navy, Governor of New York.
DDE: Supreme Commander of NATO forces in Europe.
REAGAN: Governor of California
CLINTON: Governor of Arkansas

Common thread? Experience. It isn't about insider/outsider. It is about a record and accomplishments that the voters can use as a barometer.

Biden: Senator (6 terms), Chairman-Senate Foreign Relations Committee, wrote the Violence Against Women Act, blocked Bork, pushed for and got mine-resistant vehicles, 100% green voting record.....Accomplishments.

Strap on a pair and let us know who you support.

BIDEN 08

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tuck,realityville, kansas — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:23:23 GMT

obama, has he ever worked?
er, no... but he does have mafia ties..

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Windy City Girl, Chicago IL — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:24:34 GMT

Anyone who thinks we already aren't losing the propaganda war to the extremists in the middle east is naive. Why the hell do you think they stand on the streets and burn the flag and shout death to America? Do you think they are doing this because we are currently winning the propaganda battle? Dumb. I am so sure they are sitting in their homes right now thinking that America is great...so stupid.

Anyone can say bad things about you. It doesn't mean they are true. Anyone can tell a lie and get people to believe it...just ask George Bush. Who cares what they say? To worry about what the propaganda will be is like worrying that someday you will die. You can't prevent it. But, as obvious from your posts George, you do believe everything they shove down your throat. Lie or not. There is no honor in being gullible George.

We need to talk to our enemies. How are we supposed to improve anything at all if we never talk to them? Do you think not talking helps anything? Is this how you conduct your daily life? That's pathetic! Have you ever worked with anyone you didn't like? Did ignoring them ever help you get your job done? I doubt it! That is the mentality of grammar school kids, not adults.

And anyways, what do signal do you think we sent to the world when we said our intelligence indicates weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? I'll tell you what signal it sent. It sent the message that we are stupid and ignorant, and that our big bad intelligence machine actually sucks. Hey, we even proved it by bombing everything in Afghanistan because our intelligence reported they had a locate on Bin Laden- yet still he lives. So, instead of digging a bigger hole for ourselves, it is probably best that we start climbing our way out of the one we are in.

This war has done nothing to make America safer! The British have done more to make America safer by detecting terrorists within their country than this war has. When is the last time you heard on the news that the military caught people in Iraq who had a big plan to bomb the homeland? NEVER! The insurgents are reacting to our troops, not to our love of democracy within our own borders. If a group of Canadians ever carries out an act of violence that causes a huge amounts of death in another country, and that country retaliates by bombing the hell out of us, would you go after their soldiers? I think I would!

Obama has it right. We have to withdraw in way that is both respectful to our troops and serves our best interests. You can not vote to not fund the troops- they are doing what the military asks of them. If you know anyone in the military that has been in Iraq you want them to have the best available armor and weapons so they don't die, plain and simple.

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Sam W. , Portland, OR — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 01:22:53 GMT

Diplomatic engagement with other countries is the right strategy for America and Senator Obama has the intelligence, experience, and skill sets to do just that - without being a Washington 'insider'. He's the only candidate with the ability to consistently 'get it right'.

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Sierra, SF — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:10:04 GMT

'You forget that Iran has no plans whatver to drop its bomb program'

Why should Iran drop its' nuclear program ??
The US has attacked both of its' nmeighbors.
George Bush is an 'armed extremist' disrupting the Middle East.
Iraq gave up all its WMDs and then the US attacked.
If the US wants Iran to end its' nuclear program, maybe we should set an example and end ours.

Lee, did you object to Apartheid South Africa's nuclear device in 1979 ? The South Africans exploded a nuclear bomb in 1979.
With technology from the Israelis.
Why was a South African bomb acceptable and an Iranian bomb unacceptable ?
Who is George Bush to decide who can have a bomb and who can't ??

'and is militarily attacking Iraq as we speak in Kurdistan'
Lee, you're confusing Iran with Turkey.
It's the Turks (our NATO ally) who have conducted incursions into Kurdistan ?
Should we attack Turkey, Lee ??

George Bush's policies gave Iran a much more powerful position in the Middle East.
If we do have a 'democratic' Iraq (as opposed to a lap dog Iraq), it will have a Shiite majority.
The Shiites are natural friends with their co-religionists in Iran.
Sorry Lee, the clown you've been supporting has empowered Iran !!

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Mil Nzemba — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:31:01 GMT

Obama, who graduated from Columbia and decided to go back to Chicago to organize poor people around issues, has approached his campaign as an opportunity to build a movement — a movement based in communities around issues that matter.
Why are so many people responding to Obama? Because he is straightforward, and is clearly about a lot more than his own ego. Unlike John Edwards, Obama hasn’t had to “move to the left” or discover that he was wrong about Iraq. Obama didn’t discover unions and the rift between rich and poor after losing an election in 2004.
Unlike Hillary Clinton, Obama has been consistently solid on the key issues — and unlike Hillary, we know, if Obama is elected, where he will be on the issues. (Do we really need a second Clinton presidency, framed by lots of progressive hype, which delivers so little in the way of progressive legislation, and so much to Wall St?) And, perhaps most important, Obama’s followers have the potential — with the support of their candidate — to build a new progressive movement in the U.S. and a new reform movement in the Democratic Party. Obama speaks about his candidacy, and even his possible election as president, as part of the launching of a new movement to change America. The president of the United States encouraging a movement for progressive social change? Now there’s a thought!
There are two ways that we can look at next year’s election. We can look at it as an opportunity to stop the endless mudslide of domestic and foreign disasters that have darkened our horizons during the Bush years. This would be no minor accomplishment. But, next year, we can try to do more. We can look to elect a president who not only looks different, but who thinks and acts differently, a progressive champion who boldly reasserts government’s role as protector and uplifter of the people at home, and who can reinvent American foreign policy as a force for peace, not coercive power, across the globe.
We need a candidate, and a president, who understands that he or she cannot succeed unless the people are standing alongside him — ahead of the powerbrokers and money guys — ready to help enforce their collective will. There is no question that Barack Obama is such a candidate.

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aaron cheri, west hollywood, ca — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:10:59 GMT

Sierra: I like how you group Obama in with other discredited politians hamstrung by their words.

You made the association, not us. ;)

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Independent, Texas — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:12:52 GMT

First Read (and bloggers)

Where is Lt. Gen. Douglas Lute in all this?

Since he was assigned as the "Iraq War Czar" in May 2007, I've seen only one report about him (8/10) where he said that he returning to the draft should be considered.

Why wasn't he there with Patreaus and Crocker?

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sonya, atlanta, ga — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:29:08 GMT

Never negoiate out of fear, never fear to negoiate. John F. Kennedy

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H P Boston — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:37:38 GMT

Obama STOP funding this godawful war.
You are a smart man explain to Congress that the funds must be stopped!
Congress is an equal branch of government you are there to curb the excess of the corrupt executive branch.
You know that doing the right thing HURTS. Do it anyway.
For God SAKE DO IT! If you can not do your job in Congress as a Senator than why would any one vote for you for President.

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H P Boston — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:42:11 GMT

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George — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:34:07 GMT

Question;
"I said I'm not afraid of losing a propaganda battle to a bunch of dictators. That sends a signal to the world."

What signal do you think it sends to the world? What kind of signal does it send to the republicans who would be running against him, if he wins the nomination, and how would they use it against him?
Saying that you are willing to lose ANY kind of battle to dictators doesn't sound like a good thing to be quoted as saying if you have to run against the republicans, IMO
I hope that all the democratic candidates keep in mind that they will have to answer for everything they say during the primary season in the general election."

answers;
George, you just twisted Senator Obama's words. And we can all see that you did since it's right there at the top. Obama said, and I want you to actually read slash listen this time, that he is "not afraid of losing a PR war" he did NOT say he is willing to lose anything. He meant that he is so confident that we as a country are correct that he isn't afraid of standing up to bullies and dictators. he's not a coward like you george, he's got balls, what do you have? Besides an attention problem?
Charles Kushner (Sent Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:14 PM)

See, I'm a COWARD for asking a question, but there is no answer, just a personal attack on me.

George - Facing our enemies head on while unafraid of losing a propaganda war is a sign of strength, not weakness; I don't see how being unafraid translates into "being willing to lose". After all, I'm not afraid that a fly is going to to kick my ass if I go outside, but that doesn't mean I'm *willing* to have my ass kicked by a fly; it just means I'm not going to cower indoors because a fly is going to get me.
Shadow, Hamden, CT (Sent Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:50 PM)

He also doesn't answer that questions. Questions that are posed to, "all the democratic candidates.." The only, "issue", they want to address, is, Obama is right. Whether he is right, wrong or the man in the moon, you didn't answer my question.

"Anyone can say bad things about you. It doesn't mean they are true. Anyone can tell a lie and get people to believe it...just ask George Bush. Who cares what they say? To worry about what the propaganda will be is like worrying that someday you will die. You can't prevent it. But, as obvious from your posts George, you do believe everything they shove down your throat. Lie or not. There is no honor in being gullible George.
Windy City Girl, Chicago IL (Sent Thursday, September 13, 2007 8:24 PM)

Here, I'm "gullible", for asking a question.

Apparently, we aren't supposed to question ANYTHING Obama says, we're twisting his words, if we quote him, and asking how the quote will be used by the republicans in the general election if he's the candidate, is cowardly. In reality, no one wants to address the issue, so they shift the focus, shoot the messenger and pretend that the republicans aren't running on a platform of fear where they will try to define the democratic candidate as weak on defense and terror. Having a hissy-fit at me didn't address the issue I raised, and attacking me as opposed to answering the questions raised doesn't bode well for when they are asked in a forum larger than this blog.

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:05:14 GMT

My take on the Dem candidates:
Obama: (disclaimer-my choice as is know by anyone who has read my posts) The real deal. Honest, Savvy, with judgement that more than makes up for his youth and inexperience. Great concensus builder. Aggressive in foreign policy. Willing to go after Al Qaeda where they live. Has a plan to change the course chartered in Iraq by the idiot cowboy and his O.K. Corral.
Hillary: Even though she hates Dick Morris, she sure has become the Queen of triangulation, evidenced by her vote to authorize the cowboy's use of force, along with her voting against the Levin amendment. Up to the same old tricks of cutting corners to get ahead (Hsu money now [and I too, would like to know what Obama will do with that money] and Peter Paul money in 2000),and is permanently tarnished by her history at the Rose Law Firm and by her handling of the subpeona of documents (concerning business at the Rose) during the White House years. Although I admit that the scandel mongering Repubs were rough on her, - especially after the health care fiasco (her fault) -they successfully tripped her up too many times. The vast right wing conspiracy will try again and unfortunately, she has too many liabilities for the general election.
Edwards: Panderer. What's this about vouchers for the poor so that they can live anywhere they want? That's the easy solution for socio-economic disparity but it will never fly. How 'bout the good ol' solution of a healthy economy providing good jobs and then good schools to ensure social mobility? Tougher but better answers than bread and circuses are needed and they will provide lasting results. And what about getting rid of SUV's as a sop to environmentalists? Instead, we should aim for better fuel efficiency in all vehicles and programs for green energy sources. Again difficult problems need realistic answers. And last night...blaming Congress for not stopping the war? What a crock. Any thinking person knows that our extraction from this foray into quicksand (launched by Howdy Doody and Darth Vader - of roses and chocolates fame) involves consideration of the safety of our troops and avoidance of total chaos; no matter what we do, it's not going to be pretty. Why else would Howdy be passing it on to the next president? It's disingenuous to criticize Congress. This is weighty stuff and will take careful maneuvering and Howdy will throw all sorts of PR obstacles in the way (like last night's propaganda). Edwards is grandstanding. The real question is how come Edwards voted to authorize force in the first place back when he was a senator in 2002?
Richardson: Good guy, great C.V., but a little slow on the uptake in the debates. Open to skirt chasing rumors? Misrepresented baseball scouting situation?
Biden: Brilliant, even if he is verbose. He loses me because he, like others, voted to authorize use of force in Iraq. However he recognizes his mistake and was quite moving on Chris Matthews the other night when he spoke of the 'fallen angels'. He's a bit arrogant but so am I. I am concerned about his ties to the credit card companies.
Kucinich: Great anti-war credentials but he did help to bankrupt the city of Cleveland when he was mayor. His single payer health care plan is code for socialized medicine and as much as I favor universal access to the system, too many people from Canada (where medicine is socialized) come here to get health care (and their population is 1/10 of ours). Also, a 'Secretary of Peace' come on, that's like saying I love my mother.
Dodd: Seems earnest but he too voted to authorize use of force in 2002. I want to read his book "Letters From Nuremberg" about his father's experiences as asst. to Robert Jackson (one of the prosecutors).
Gravel: I have nothing to say. I don't get him.

Then there are the Republicans. Well, to me, only John McCain and Ron Paul seem to have any claim to leadership. I don't think Dr. Paul has a chance with the Republican electorate but I think he demonstrates great bravery and honesty and he has time and again stood up against the conventional dumbthink of his party about the war. I wouldn't count John McCain out yet. Of course I differ with him on many issues (since he is a Viet Nam vet with remarkable combat experience, I would expect his take on the war in Iraq vis a vis the war on terrorism to be different, but it is what it is) but he is undoubtedly presidential material. And the other front runners like, say-anything-to-get-elected-Mitt, one issue Rudy and no issue Arthur Branch; they are worthless. The second tier, I have to confess, I don't pay much attention to. Tancredo -one issue, Huckabee - nice guy but doesn't speak my language, Brownback - alternative Huckabee, Hunter, unimpressive, probably trying for VP with the ploy that with Rudy he'd make California competative.
I like to hear other people's thoughts even though I realize that this is late in this topic's cycle. Regards.

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Cindy Heman — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:36:41 GMT

For God SAKE DO IT! If you can not do your job in Congress as a Senator than why would any one vote for you for President. <<<-----

They are doing their job. They are doing exactly what President Bush tells them to do.

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Jessica, Wisconsin — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:07:06 GMT

League of Conservation Voters releases environmental ratings of 2008 Presidential candidates - Obama is at the top of the list!

http://presidentialprofiles2008.org

There is more info. on his record here:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/14/9017/67671