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Amy B Portland, ME — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:37:54 GMT

David Brooks is a tool and using the phrase "loya jurga" (tribal counsel in Aphganistan?) to mean, what?
the collective wisdom of health care experts, is symptomatic of his snobby pretentiousness. Brooks love to pretend he knows something the rest of us don't. In '09 we need a new president and new pundits, our old ones have failed in every crisis we have faced over the last six years. Well, I just had to say that.

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mikeeg,abdn,wa — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:38:22 GMT

I would rather be involved in a health care plan that covers everyone than a quagmire fiasco religious oil war that will last for years.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:59:00 GMT

The problem with Hillarycare is that she just has too many people with their hands in her pockets. This is just a disaster waiting to happen.

What she says and what will happen are two different approaches. she learned that from her husband very well when he made all sorts of promises and only carried out less then 40% of them.

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Pat, Huntington, NY — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:23:31 GMT

Instead of resorting to the useless Hillary bashing, Jerry, how about actually looking at her proposed plan, and commenting on its specifics. Saying, the problem with her plan is that there are too many, I assume lobbiests/special interests, with their hands in her pockets, is no help. I guess the real reason why you and others resort to unimaginative cliche's, is that you have no real leg to stand on to factually oppose the merits of her plan. This is particularly so since it is not a plan for socialized medicine, i.e. single payor health coverage. She carefully took that weapon away from people like you and fellow rethugs.

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martin/florida — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:28:19 GMT

the more I see of this boring jerry/corpus christi texas, the more I like Hillary... its always sad to see fanatics like this one who obviously is obsessed with his hatred for Hillary... how is his life really? what does it look like at home? does he anyone who loves him??

no doubt in my mind, that Hillary is perfect for the job as president and leader of the free world. jerry is just sad and incredibly boring to read again and again.

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H P Boston — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:30:46 GMT

Amy well said, who the hell goes with what that load of crap spewer says. He is just another babbling BROOK!
They let us down and hyped the war..still do. I shut them off, hit the mute button, watch the lips move.

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George — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:38:01 GMT

With the republicans having no plan at all the same idiot republican keeps sticking his nose into an area close to his own posterior to shine a light into the darkness of his own mind. How's Rudy's plan? Bullshitt Mitt? Lazy ole' Fred? The democrats have plans to deal with social issues. What kind of jerk wastes their time debating democratic candidate's plans when their party has NOTHING?
Does this comedian realize that nothing he says matters to anyone but (maybe) him and the crazy guy from the left?
Please tell us which republican heath care proposal is best for America.

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Robert Catalano, Salem, OR — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:38:22 GMT

I can sum up all of the articles in one sentence: "Hillary is selling out Americans to the health-care, pharmaceutical and insurance industries." Like I've said for the past few months, a Clinton Presidency will be business as usual.

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Rufus Gibbons, DC — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:45:50 GMT

There is a new study out that concludes that by and large liberals are smarter than conservatives. Maybe that is why they started a STOP HILLARY campaign during the first months of the Clinton administration. She is a very intelligent person and is willing to learn from her mistakes. The present administration will not admit to ever making a mistake. That is one of the reasons I will vote for her in the primary but I will also vote for THE NOMINEE whoever it may be in the general election.

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Joe Einloth — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:57:16 GMT

Jerry, re the 40% of Clinton's promises, that's no thanks to Republicans in Congress, who were too busy attempting to overturn elections via impeachment.

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PJ — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:58:36 GMT

We are supposed to care about the sick & the downtrodden. We are supposed to love our enemies. The RELIGIOUS right? What a bunch of PHONIES. War for money. War for money. War for money. It doesn't say anything about it in my copy of the Bible. Go Hillary. The fear & smear won't work this time.

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Robert Allen, Dallas, Texas — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:01:06 GMT

The elitist regressives notwithstanding Hillary has at least proposed a workable plan to cover the 47 million (read that number again and think about how many people that really is - it's about 16% of the population).

No other industrialized country in the world ignores more of its citizens in regards to health care than the United States. This is a travesty and is abominable.

Hillary's program WILL work actuarially. Put the numbers to paper and compare them against the benefits we have gotten from the illegal invasion of a sovereign country - it's nolo contendere.

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GAB, AUstin, TX — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:04:50 GMT

The interview with Greenspan was interesting. he said out of all the presidents he has worked with Bill Clinton was the most intelligent. He also said that while he, Greenspan, was a Republican, and Clinton a Democrat, he was an extremely effective President. So get off your ignorant "everything Clinton is bad" bandwagon, Jerry, it just makes you like like a whiner.

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nuanced — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:13:19 GMT

De plan boss de plan -- Tattoo

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nuanced — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:17:08 GMT

Amy B -- great idea! I think we need a pundit election. It is time to vote the whole bunch of old farts who seem to be ALWAYS wrong yet still keep their jobs. Get rid of the traitor Bob Novak first.

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Shadow, Hamden, CT — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:19:24 GMT

The fact that Clinton's numbers are 20% higher might mean something, except over 20% of the public have an opinion about her but "haven't heard enough" or "never heard of" Obama. We're only a couple weeks into September; most people are only beginning to tune it.

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Robin Kruse, St. Paul MN — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:51:25 GMT

"American Health Choices Plan" - as in: "You can either take this plan, or be arrested. You choose."

The Universal Health crowd are going to go nuts in favor of this stuff. Lets see, the NY Times, Boston Globe, Newsweak, NY Daily News, and David Brooks (this group are also known as the HillCheerLeaders), are for it. That automatically means I'm against it.

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Stopwatchingfoxnews, Rochester, NY — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:01:10 GMT

Jerry, are you really talking about campaign promises? How many promises has Bush kept? The Uniter? No! We won't nation build? No! Balance budget? No! More job growth than Clinton? Not even close! Social security reform? No! Peace in the middle east with Isreal and the Palistinians? No! Protect us from terrorism? No! Immigration reform? No! You let me know when Bush actually does get something done other than Tax cuts for the rich, which Greenspan says is the wrong approach to economics, and starting an unnecessary war with a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 and having the entire world hates us.

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Class Warrior, D.C. — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:38:41 GMT

Martin./Forida; there aremillions and millions of Hillary-hatin' Jerrys out there, and the GOP will inflame that hatred and motivate otherwise disgusted fanatics to get to the polls. They're going to swiftboat her, they're going to slime her, dredge up dirt and destroy her campaign, make it about her rather than the awful incompetence and corruption the REpublicans have meant to this country. THAT'S WHY THE DEMS SHOULD NOT NOMINATE HER!! Because there are a million empty-headed sheep like Jerry who are full of the GOP elite's hatred of Hillary. Ten million Jerrys will make it possible for a Bush clone to keep the White House in '09.

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T-Rex — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:39:08 GMT

Ooooops!! Greenspan just let a truth fart - someone open a window. Thank you Alan, much better!! The truth stinks to high heaven dnd let's not forgot all those upcoming speaking engagements - there's money to be made boy!!

Yes, Dick anything you say - and by the way, don't you just love Hillary?? What a great health plan - I think she's getting my vote, and Bill's always got her back ...those two are invincible in my book! Well, not this book, but you know what I mean.

Now look Alan - a little retraction isn't going to hurt book sales and might give'm a little kick if you know what I mean?! .... God bless, Mr. Greenspan, you were always good for the GOP so let's keep it that way - we clear on that??

Whatever, Dick.....

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Hosse Mulberger — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:46:07 GMT

>>> Jerry, re the 40% of Clinton's promises, that's no thanks to Republicans in Congress <<<

Those nasty (elected) Republicans had a different view of things then did Bill. Go figure.

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CitizenJ — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:47:16 GMT

It will be near impossible for any of these dramatic healthcare plans to pass because, remember, the plan has to pass through Congress. And therein lies Clinton's (and partly Edwards') problem. Clinton's plan will automatically receive opposition from the vast majority of Republicans simply because she is Hillary Clinton. And the others will oppose it because it is mandatory, and Republicans don't like that sort of thing.

So, unless the Democrats pick up enough seats for the cloture vote, it is unlikely that any of these plans, especially Clinton's, will pass.

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Bozz, Casper WY — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:48:44 GMT

MANDATORY HEALTH INSURANCE??? Anything mandated by the government as "must have" is another attack on the middle and lower classes. I am more left than right. In my mind reform of the criminal insurance companies would go much further to insure affordable health insurance to Americans than "insure or die" tactics proposed this time.

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jjg, ms — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:54:20 GMT

Some interesting information to note...

Brooks (Republican) says, "Hillary Clinton’s health care plan is a huge step forward from 1993. It’s better than the G.O.P. candidates’ plans (which don’t exist)."

"... she has made a point of joining forces with Republicans on health-care issues. Together they’ve worked to expand coverage for veterans and children, as well as to modernize the system with electronic, rather than paper, medical records."

From Romney aide - "Key elements of Hillary Clinton's healthcare proposal are strikingly similar to the tenets of the health overhaul that Mitt Romney signed into law in Massachusetts last year."

However, with Romney attacking it "Hillarycare 2.0... a European-style socialized medicine plan," it becomes very apparent that he does not even do his homework. So which is it - is it like his plan, or is is socialized medicine?

That is exactly what we need AGAIN in the Whitehouse - a president who is so focused on politics, and so focused on the avoidance of doing his/her homework, that they do not even know which way is up.

Cardboard, flip-flopping Mitt.

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jjg, ms — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:55:16 GMT

by the way - jerry... how about some facts to back up the 40% figure...

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Bruce, NV — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:59:54 GMT

The Clinton campaign hasn't yet decided if HillaryCare will cover illegal aliens.

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Stan, Texas — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:04:11 GMT

Just think about it,,,,Hillary Care mandates that "every" us citizen must participate....
Her healthcare linked to IRS, so we can get tax breaks???? Make health care "Affordable" to all,,,
Every person can buy,,,,
So how much health care will an unemployed person have, living on less than 6000.00 a year, has cancer,
and pays no taxes...
ZERO, NONE, NADA,,,,,
Family plan of 4 will run 800.00 to 1200.00 a month, so how many of you making 30 - 40 K a year can afford
this???????

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Justbeinghonest — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:04:26 GMT

Beside spitting venom, what plan has the Repubs offered to solve our health care crisis???? I don't think Repubs want to debate this isssue, because it is one that will cost them alot of votes because they have no plan, no soulution, no asnwer...NOTHING. Put up or shut the hell up!!!

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Steve — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:06:36 GMT

Republicans are evil scum!!!

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Rufus Gibbons, DC — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:14:33 GMT

Don't watch fox news... Good post. rRemember not too many years ago when the whole world hated the soviets and loved the USA it looks like we have overtaken them in world opinion.

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Justbeinghonest — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:18:31 GMT

Steve-

I wouldn't go that far and say "Republicans are evil scum".

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Bruce Harrison, Hyattsville, MD — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:24:18 GMT

Insure or what? Be jailed? Not bloody likely. Offering tax credits? Those happen only AFTER the insured has paid premiums out of pocket for the first year. If one doesn't have enough money to pay up front, no tax credit will help.
Oh, yes, then there's the ever-popular pre-existing condition. No, the health care insurance industry will NEVER give up that right to deny care.
Hillary's new plan, I predict, is already being fought in boardrooms of the for-profit industry. Dead on arrival when it hits Congress.

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Justin Johnson, Somerset, OH — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:28:08 GMT

The best health care plan that America needs is one where the FREE MARKET reigns. By artificially propping up health care companies, Hillary's, and all other state-sponsored, state-endorsed, or otherwise funded and/or moderated by the state, the Democratic candidates, and the DNC in general, are enriching the executives of these health care companies, that up till now, they have loathed with such virulence.

By not allowing the free market to determine who is covered and who is not, we are treading down a slippery slope towards universal health care where the care is sub-standard (i.e. - Canada) although the cost is lower to the individual (someone is picking up the remainder...who is it you ask? Good ole Uncle Sam, who is about bankrupt at the moment!).

This is purely political posturing on the part of all candidates. Let the market reign, let the healthcare providers compete for our dollars, and keep the government out of it!

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Matt, Port Hueneme, CA — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:29:33 GMT

Hillary has the strength and experience to make real change happen. She is the best candidate to fix the problems in our Health Care system. Check out her new ad about health care at www.Hillaryhub.com

If we are ready for change, she is ready to lead!

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Al, KS — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:56:50 GMT

I've got health insurance. Don't need more of the same. I will still go completely broke if I ever get really sick after all the co-pays, denials of coverage, etc. Thanks for nothing. Note to candidates: Start talking about real change...not the same old same old.

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MK,MO — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:35:55 GMT

Justin Johnson, Somerset, OH / there is no such thing as a "free market" that term is just something dreamed up by rich republicans to cover up what is really "uncontrolled capitalism" which is just as evil and destructive as any terrorist organization.

the only people that are against a true universal healthcare plan are the wealthy who are afraid they're wealth won't be able to any longer buy them superior healthcare, which may be true , but you won't find too many average americans that would be getting the healthcare they need crying about it.

the only candidate that currently offers a plan that truly covers everyone and is geared to aid the consumer while reducing costs is edwards, hillary and obamas plans are designed to keep the insurance and pharmaceutical companies fat, since that's who designed they're plans

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George — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:40:02 GMT

Hillary Clinton has the best health care plan! She knows how to learn from her mistakes, because she married Bill Clinton, and he was a President(!) not to mention they have a daughter. She knows more about being corrupt than even Edwards, who's a lawyer, so she can beat the republicans and she has the best health care plan, which is impossible to deny. She was 2 different First ladies, she got elected to something in a state she doesn't even live in, and anyone who doesn't like her dies mysteriously, and she's a WOMAN(!) what more could you want?

She was elected to something with her husband's famous name, and they say she didn't do anything so she got elected again on HER famous name, and even though everybody hates her she is still more popular than anybody else because she has a disease called MSM and nobody else has caught it from her husband because he's not allowed to have any more sex until she's president, so who can argue with that!

Her gender is shinier than Edward's hair, (just about anything is) prettier than Mitt Romney's (one public) wife, and more interesting than Kucinich's lunch.

Hillary was for the war before she was against it so she knows how to change her mind if she wants to, and senators make the best presidents, which can't be denied! Her husband had sex but it was with a woman and she wasn't even a prostitute, so you know that he's a democrat and very popular, but he can't do it any more after HE almost died mysteriously, so what more do you want?
She got elected, she's a woman, her husband would be the first man first lady, and she has the best health care plan. She has a pants suit for every occasion and matching shoes!

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Dickie Flatts, Charlotte, NC — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:50:21 GMT

Maybe Brooks can educate his fellow wingnuts on am radio and a certain cable network what the difference between for profit health care and government run health care is.

I am so sick of the right wing freakshow, and its candidates on the trail telling lies to people, and the media dutifully printing the in the name of balance. Clinton's plan (like Obama's, Edward's, and Romney's) uses private providers, private insurers, protects choice, etc. It is far from "government run" or being "socialist" as some of the frothing at the mouth, rightwing talkers out there keep saying over and over. Their fearmongering shows how scared they are heading into '08.

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E.Reed,Oceanside,Ca. — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:02:07 GMT

It was the GOP who killed the Healthcare plan with such statements as " who elected her" she did not fail it was they with their usual mean spiritedness that I have observed for the past 50 years.

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Susan Noll, St. Louis, MO — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:44:50 GMT

Until you have been in the position of losing access to health insurance, and therefore health care, you do not realize where the real problem lies. The health insurance companies do as they please. After 25 years of health care coverage, both through our jobs and paying for our ownn policies we were dumped by United Health Care who no longer will offer individual pay plans in Missouri. We had to re-apply with another company which aggreed to accept my husband and my two children, but not me. I now wake up every day and pray I don't have an automobile accident or find out I have cancert. My care will wipe us out financially. I am willing to pay for health but I can't get it! That is health care rationing which seems to be what so many people are afraid will happen with national health care. We are already rationing health care: those who work for companies that provide it, have it, and those who are in jobs with no benefits are at the mercy of the insurance companies who cherry-pick who they will insure and who they won't. Go to an ER on a Friday night and you will see the horrifying future we face if we don't do something now. I spend 6 hours on a gurney waiting to be seen by an ER doctor because I couldn't find an orthopedist in my town who would see a self-pay patient. Instead of paying $170 for an office visit I paid $1,500 for the ER. And it was not necessary for me to be there. HELP!!

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Bertin Lefkovic, Dunellen, NJ — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:52:20 GMT

What Hillary Clinton and every other Presidential candidate that opposes the single payer approach to achieving single-payer health care fails to understand is the fact that it would actually be the least expensive option at our disposal.

There is no bureaucracy anywhere in the public sector that is nearly as bloated as the private insurance industry. Administrative costs for existing federal health care programs for children, the elderly, and the poor are less than 5% of their overall budgets and don’t come anywhere near the combined largesse of obscene corporate profits and executive compensation packages, not to mention the numerous layers of unnecessary middlemen.

If you added up all of the premiums paid to private insurance companies by individuals and corporations, cut that total in half, assumed a conservative return on investment equal to the shortest term Treasury Bill at any given period of time, set aside 5% for administrative costs, there would be more than enough money in a single-payer universal healthcare system to cover every single person in our country, while paying doctors and hospitals at least 10% more for their services than they currently receive from the private insurance industry.

Single-payer universal healthcare is the only solution to our country’s healthcare crisis, because it is the only one that gets the private insurance industry out of the healthcare business. Sadly, Hillary Clinton and every other Presidential candidate are too cowardly to consider this option, because they are afraid of the stigma associated with “socialized medicine”.

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R.Lewis, Baltimore MD — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:53:30 GMT

E.Reed,Oceanside,Ca. . . . It was the GOP who killed the Healthcare plan with such statements as " who elected her" she did not fail it was they with their usual mean spiritedness that I have observed for the past 50 years.

Exactly. The Democrats are very sensitive, and get their feelings hurt very easily. Never has a bad word crossed the lips of a Democrat. What did they ever do to deserve such treatment from the Republicans?

And what was the vote in congress in '93 on Hillary's healthcare plan again?

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Bertin Lefkovic, Dunellen, NJ — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:07:58 GMT

What Hillary Clinton and every other Presidential candidate that opposes the single payer approach to achieving universal health care fails to understand is the fact that it would actually be the least expensive option at our disposal.

There is no bureaucracy anywhere in the public sector that is nearly as bloated as the private insurance industry. Administrative costs for existing federal health care programs for children, the elderly, and the poor are less than 5% of their overall budgets and don’t come anywhere near the combined largesse of obscene corporate profits and executive compensation packages, not to mention the numerous layers of unnecessary middlemen.

If you added up all of the premiums paid to private insurance companies by individuals and corporations, cut that total in half, assumed a conservative return on investment equal to the shortest term Treasury Bill at any given period of time, set aside 5% for administrative costs, there would be more than enough money in a single-payer universal healthcare system to cover every single person in our country, while paying doctors and hospitals at least 10% more for their services than they currently receive from the private insurance industry.

Single-payer universal healthcare is the only solution to our country’s healthcare crisis, because it is the only one that gets the private insurance industry out of the healthcare business. Sadly, Hillary Clinton and every other Presidential candidate are too cowardly to consider this option, because they are afraid of the stigma associated with “socialized medicine”.

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Diane, Grand Blanc, Michigan — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:34:29 GMT

Jerry: As I've said it before, I'll say it again, I believe you are nothing more than a planted mole to counter any an all resolutions or opinions coming from moderates and democrats. You never have anything definitive to add and you're getting rather boring. It's time for you to shut up and move on because this blessed country of ours is in dire need of change, whether it be Iraq, healthcare, political cronyism, fiscal irrestponsibility and everything this disastorous Administration has done to our standing in the world! Shut up and be gone, Jerry!!!

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AlexH, NB, NJ — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:10:03 GMT

Wait now.

Eight years of unprecedented peace and prosperity, and an America with no national debt. Bill Clinton kept more of his campaign promises than any other president in history. Those he didn't keep were either blocked by the Republican Congress, or simply not possible.

Eight years of war, lies, hatred, and stupidity in the White House. George W. Bush, the puppet, hasn't kept a single promise, except for those he made to his oil company backers. Has done nothing for the common good of the People of America, except divide the country in more ways than anyone thought possible.

Difficult choice to make, now isn't it?

Maybe another Clinton in the White House can be a good thing.

It's your call.
-a.

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JAF Minot ND — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:49:37 GMT

It is very apparent that none of you work in the health care field. The United States already has substandard health care. We are considered a third world country when it comes to the lack of coverage and accessibility of health care in our country. There isn't a plan that is going to be perfect and changes are going to need to be made. But maybe its time for the US to quit being laughed at, by starting to make the needed changes in our health care system. Universal coverage is need. Its as simple as that. At least Hillary has a plan. The only other idea out there that i would like to see added is that of Edwards to take away congresses health coverage until they get quit acting like there lobbyists puppets and do something.

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Dave, Vermont — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:16:24 GMT

The last thing I need is to have health insurance for a bunch of illegals coming out of my pocket. How is this getting paid for, Billary? I'll take care of myself, thank you.

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Kojai Musa — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:46:50 GMT

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Mike G. Genoa City, Wi — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:31:23 GMT

I hear about how much better the insurance is in other industial nations like maybe England, Canada Norway? Look at the amount that is paid for that coverage! Look at the wiating lines! Look at the standard of care! Is that what we want?

Hillary says this isn't a gaverment program. That's interesting! How will the cost be funded? Who will administer? Who will regulate? How will have the oversight?

I see cheers for Hillary's plan on this blog, but I don't see the plan. Hillary "93" health plan was 1400 pages. Hillary "07" health plan is 10.5 pages. So what is the plan?

Hillary says the cost of the plan will be 110 billion. If we devide the by the number of people in the US (approx. 300,000,000) in woks out to about 3500 per person. Do you really think that is going to pay for the cost?

Do you want a system that will require you to take schedule test like mamograms, etc. in order to keep your coverage. Or will require that you loose weight? On option, you do what we feel is good and health or we don't cover you.

Uder the plan, are you garenteed to be able to have your choice of doctors and facilities?

Before everone gets all bent out of shape with how great Hillary's plan is and how great it will be for everyone, it would be nice if people would take a step back and ask some questions. Take a step back and look at the cost especially the increased tax increases that will come with a program like this. Step back and look at the countries that have "Universal Coverage" and what is the real standard of services the people in those countries have. Ask yourself if the cost and the services provided will be an improvement over what is available to you know.

Hillary is leading us down the a "prim-rose Lane" You want to buy into it? Good Luck!

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Rodger Padgett, Freehold NJ — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:07:04 GMT

The bottom line is if the Plan is good for us, will Hillary and all the other elected officials join using the "madatory or else" Health Care! I have a great plan I pay for right now. I will not pay a penalty for taking care of myself and my family.

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S. Nelson, Shelton Ct. — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:32:47 GMT

My hat is off to Justin Johnson, Somerset, OH.
What is wrong with a free market society?
This is what our system is all about, NOT
make the goverment (us) pay!
Fact: More competition in any market equals
better quality.
Hillary, Since when is healthcare a "right"?
Show me where this is written in the constitution ?
This is just another step to bring this country
towards socialism.

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Adam, Murfreesboro, TN — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:02:29 GMT

Government mandated health insurance? What will the government force us to buy next? Is this still the land of the free? This is a type of tax, and like all taxes it will have deadweight losses within the economy. Also, why does everyone DESERVE health care? We are rewarding the uneducated and unskilled workers in our country.

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Support HR676 — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:27:41 GMT

OK, everybody, Hillary care, is simple, affordable
health care means, federally mandated healthcare, or
basically it will be a law for every american to buy
health care, which means,,,billions of dollars more
in the insurance companies pockets. Goto AHIP.ORG ,
American Health Insurance Plans, basically the Health
Care Industry Organization that all the health care
agency's belong too. AHIP wrote Clinton Care, or should
I say Hillary adopted the Insurance Industries
Universal Health Care plan, pass a law to mandate
every american has to buy health insurance. Watch out,
if you can't afford it, then you the US Government will gladly automatically take any of your tax refund and help use it too pay for your federally mandated health care. The sad thing is,,,,if you are poor, unemployed, homeless, can't afford to make any mandatory premium payments, guess what,
you still have no health care, and when she says that everybody should be able to have the same insurance that congree and senators have,,,,go look at the Federal Govt Insurance palns, where the govt pays for normally 75% of the premium, and candidates pay 25%, sure they can make it where anybody can buy it, but of course is the govt going to pay your 75%, I don't think so, the premiums will run 800 - 1200 a month for a family of 4. And don't forget, Hillary's campaign has received more money from the Health Care Industry than anybody else, and I guess you also believe Hillary when she says, It doesn't matter that I take their donations, I have fought for universal health care for a long time, well the NEW UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FOR AMERICA was written by the insurance companies, so who do you think will come out ahead,,,americans or the insurance companys. Before you start bashing me, take a little time and do a little research on the net, you will see the only thing Hillary Care does, is make the insurance companies richer, lowers the standard of health care, creates a mandatory law that you have to buy health care insurance, just like paying taxes, which will increase of course, and you get no tax refund check anymore. If americans want real universal health care, go google HR676, Dennis Kucinich co sponsored the bill, but the congress and senate will never pass it of course. If you think socialized medicine is so bad, go ask the 48 million adults who don't have any healthcare and see if they would rather have no health care or socialized health care. Remember even with socialized health care, if a person wants to pay to have better care at private hospitals or doctors you can always do that.

God Bless America

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Rich Oven, Las Vegas,NV — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:10:55 GMT

If we can find money for killing, we can certainly find money for saving lives.

Hillary's health plan

Travis, Tampa, FL — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:47:38 GMT

I think we are failing to realize the bottom line. The system we have now is not working. Those that can afford a good plan, have one. But even those plans are usually a rip off, especially when you actually make claims. The other group of Americans either can't afford a plan at all, or have a limited plan that will not cover them worth a crap when they actually file a claim either.

So why are we all afraid of change? It's unlikely any changes we make will make health care worse overall. Doctors will still have to take the oath. If the plan doesn't work the way we want it to, then we'll take the parts we do like and add them to new ideas. The only way we will really learn what does and doesn't work is by trying. We can change our health care system again in at least 8, 12, or 16 years. At least I'll be covered until the next change.