Biden vs. Richardson is for real

nuanced — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:13:35 GMT

So Mr. Biden, OK so you can beat up on the less popular kids. Does that make you more popular? Can you beat up the popular kids at your school? The real test is whether you can stand up to the juvenile delinquents at the rival school?

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Derek O-H-I-O — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:22:17 GMT

I wish Obama would start taking shots at Hillary like Biden took at Richardson. I think its a toss up between Obama and Biden for the VP spot so I don't think anybodys going to take shots at Hillary, which is probably a good idea considering her gigantic death star political machine.

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Morris Valentine, Los Angeles, CA — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:40:40 GMT

So, if being the governor of a small state disqualifies you for the presidency, does that mean we Democrats shouldn't have considered Bill Clinton for the job back in 1992?

Biden's been in the Senate for something like a zillion years, representing (*ahem*) a small state, and what does he have to show for it? Presidential polls showing him running neck-and-neck with "not sure". So he's clearly desperate to make an impact -- even one as negative as this -- to get some press. What Biden's not telling us is that Richardson has executive experience as a governor, AND legislative experience (US House of Representatives) AND cabinet-level experience (UN ambassador and Energy Sec'y under Bill Clinton).

I wish Biden well -- as a Senator from the small state of Delaware for another zillion years. Maybe he'll accomplish something positive by them.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:41:50 GMT

Is it me or has there been a lot more coverage of Biden this week than in weeks prior? I like it.

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dave finnell elmira ny — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:57:45 GMT

i like joe but cut it out

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George — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:09:10 GMT

Joe can try but he can't stop the Richardson Juggernaut!

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Dave Wesner, Albuquerque, NM — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:11:07 GMT

Perhaps Biden is attacking Richardson because the Governor is making a strong showing in the polls, while Biden ... well, his numbers speak for themselves. As one of the "couple million" New Mexicans who's benefited from Governor Richardson's leadership, I'll be glad to follow my votes for him in state positions with my vote for him in the primary, and another to defeat the Republican nominee in 2008. Biden is much further down my list, and falling fast.

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Joshua Wickander, St Paul MN — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:16:39 GMT

Here is the deal all of the left wing nuts jobs have been around for far to long and this constant slamming over mis-quotes and out takes is the prime reason that we need a third party the left and right are to blame I say we fire them all and put someone who presently lives on less then 80K per year in total income in the job, common sense is more important then experience - They are all quack jobs and the election is still more then a year away - everyone is so concerned with who is next that the people we have now are getting a pass for doing nothing - its time to change things for real, and no one that is running is willing to do that, there is no good choice, all you vote for these days are lesser of 2 evils, and my slogan is anybody buy Hiliary or FUHRC I love that shirt -

Good luck to us all

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Sara, Cedar Rapids, Iowa — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:26:46 GMT

Okay as I understand it Gov. Richardson, who at the AARP forum advocated stay at home mom's (and women who leave the work force to take care of elderly parents) get credit (i.e. as if they were contributing to social security) when they leave the work force to be stay at home mom's. So that when an executive's wife leaves the work force for 15 years to be at home with her kids (and at the gym, spa, and country club) she will have her social security credited, as if she was still gainfully employed? This wouldn't help middle and low income women have a choice (bad word when talking about Richardson) regarding staying home with kids or working, because the proposals economic advantage wouldn't be felt for decades. Reduction in building up your social security credits is not what makes staying home with kids economically difficult (or impossible). All this hair brain idea (the stay at home mom part) would do is put women who have the financial luxury of taking a decade or two off to raise kids the same social security credits of those who are working full time and raising kids on our own, or those whose husbands income doesn't provide them the luxury of staying home with the kids.

As I understand it Richardson, whose been promising everything under the sun, see above, as Governor of NM "imposed an $8-a-day tax on nursing home beds to make up for a shortfall in Medicaid." I understand the tax was later repealed. But when his campaign responded they didn't deny that Richardson imposed the tax, and presumably repealed it under GOP pressure. The issue isn't whether Biden should or should criticize Richarson, the question is what Biden's staff put out about the tax true? I assume from Richardson's campaign's failure to deny the actual allegation that Richardson imposed the tax, and repealed it under pressure. Given all his promises, and his promise that none of this will cost us anything, I think the voters need this information!

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mr pa — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:31:35 GMT

Biden has an answer for the bush war/murders...how about hillary?....hillary is the system and would never get this liberal democrats vote!!!!i would vote for just about anyone else, besides that bafoon thompson, you go you bible thumpers this is your bush and your war...sick!

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Bruce, Edgewood, NM — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:36:41 GMT

I have watched Richardson be MIA as the head of DOE and again as govener. I can not belive any one considers him a real canadate. He is just lookong for his next job to be missing from

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GO JOE! — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:36:43 GMT

Go Joe.

It says something about the Dems that their best candidate is wallowing somewhere around last place.

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Molly, Iowa City — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:38:00 GMT

"i like joe but cut it out"

Cut what out? Telling the truth?

"Perhaps Biden is attacking Richardson" Since when is telling the truth attacking someone. Dave Wesner, Biden didn't make fun of him for talking about junk food all the time, when clearly Richardson doesn't practice what he preaches, that would be an attack, and mean! Biden has pointed out Richardson's flip flops on Iraq, and told the voters that the guy who keeps claiming his programs won't cost anything, and lowered taxes by a huge amount in NM, actually put a significant tax on the elderly, which was repealed under pressure.

"the Governor is making a strong showing in the polls" polls mean nothing, Richardson spent more on TV ads in Iowa from May to August than all other campaigns combined, which increased his name ID. But take a look at how few people showed up supporting him at the Steak Fry. Biden was the only candidate who didn't provide free tickets or transportation to the event, and he was 4th in number of supporters there.

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Gerry, Anchorage, Alaska — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:47:18 GMT

I think Biden is attacking Richardson for a number of reasons. As a Biden supporter, I'm not going to sit here and suggest that improving poll numbers isn't one of them. Of course it is. The Biden campaign does have a point, however, when it says that Richardson has been given a free pass in this campaign. A lot of people like to joke about Biden's verbosity and his penchant for saying the wrong things sometime, but Richardson's public appearances have been distasters for that sort of thing - and yet we rarely hear much about it. In addition, whether you support Richardson or not, if you understand politics you should understand that going after Richardson is a good political mov for Biden. Richardson is catchable for Biden; right now, the frontrunners are not. In addition, Biden is able to highlight and deploy his strengths, in particular a workable solution for Iraq, against Richardson to great effect. This was never more clear than in one of the recent debates, where virtually every candidate on stage referred positively to Joe's plan for Iraq and said it was thr right path, except Richardson and Kucinich. Richardson's plan was roundly thumped as naive by several of the candidates on stage and Richardson was, quite frankly, left looking amateurish and lost after that. Of course Biden is going after him - as well he should.

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Susan, Floyd County, IA — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:52:47 GMT

True story, Molly. I was there. Richardson had hardly any people there by comparison and they seemed not very organized. Iowa is all about the ground game. You have to out-organize the competition, and be really good at retail politics.

When I met Richardson, he gave a long wonky list of ideas(some of them I like), didn't give straight answers to questions on health care, and was barely polite when I talked to him afterwords. He repeated the same speech at the Steak Fry.

Biden is completely charming in person--on the Dem side, he's the one you'd want to have a beer with. He answers questions, doesn't duck any of them, and is obviously really really smart.

I decided to support him because I think he can take it to the Republican nominee. If you watched the debate last night, you know what I mean.

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Gerry, Anchorage, Alaska — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:54:13 GMT

And another thing: Richardson keeps playing this "governor" bogeyman under his "experience" credentials. Normally, I would agree with it, except in Richardson's case, his governorship has been anything but a resounding success. Here's a quote from his disastrous appearance on Meet the Press back on May 27th:

MR. RUSSERT: But let’s go through the resume a little bit. First, there’s governor of New Mexico. As you well know, they rank states in a whole variety of categories from one being the best, 50th being the worst. This is New Mexico’s scorecard, and you are the governor. Percent of people living below the poverty line, you’re 48. Percent of children below, 48. Median family income, 47. People without health insurance, 49. Children without health insurance, 46. Teen high school dropouts, 47. Death rate due to firearms, 48. Violent crime rate, 46. You’re the very bottom of all those statistics of all 50 states, and you’re the governor for five years.

GOV. RICHARDSON: Well, Tim, let me just say that we’ve made enormous progress in all of those areas.

This is the mantle of executive experience that Richardson is claiming? Biden's point about Richardson being given a free pass is nothing if not exemplified by this. Why hasn't more of the mainstream press challenged these executive credentials Richardson keeps burnishing?

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Elizabeth Sullivan, San Diego, CA — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:18:53 GMT

Hey MOROSE, or MORRIS,

I guess you don't consider writing the Violence Against Women Act, blocking Bork's nomination, having a plan for Iraq, and writing legislation to put more cops on the street (to name a few) as accomplishment but those who support Biden think those are some pretty decent accomplishments.

NUANCED - your argument is nonsense. Who would be the juvenile delinquents at the rival school? Iraq - got a plan; Republicans - bring them on.

Richardson flat out lies when he says he is the only candidate with a plan for Iraq. That is a lie and you know it. Hey, maybe Richardson is the juvenile delinquent.

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Bobby Childers Las Cruces, New Mexico — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:27:13 GMT

I am from New Mexico and have no use whatsoever for Richardson. He has lied through his teeth to us, spent more time outside of the state than inside, and is just looking to further his political resume. I didn't vote for him on his two governship runs and will not vote for him (or Hillary) for President.

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George - Phoenix Arizona — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:27:14 GMT

Come on Joe, we like you but you know Bill is just now starting to kick a bunch of butt. Bill were working hard and will do our best to get you there.

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J. K. in PA — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:31:00 GMT

It seems somewhat obvious that Sen. Biden and Gov. Richardson are vying for cabinet positions in the (Hillary) Clinton administration (Sec State). That's not a bad thing. All of the Democratic candidates are very qualified to be major players in the next White House Admin., save for Kucinich (might be too far left)and Gravel (can't figure this guy out. Seems to be too angry, yet, very entertaining).

In any case, all the Dems are much more qualified than the Reps to hold the Commander-in-Chief position. The Reps just want to continue shoveling our tax dollars to the wind, and using our military for corporate use.

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Tac, Albuquerque, NM — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:33:11 GMT

Richardson is the cheerleader for the Dems. NM is still one of the poorest state in our country under his management, and have one of the worse school system. people might think that he's gaining grounds but he's no where near the other contenders. But he does make a good cheerleader. Keep up the good work!

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Bruce, Camdenton, Missouri — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:38:09 GMT

I'm leaning more toward Biden. I like a canidate that anwers question head on. That was one thing I admired about President Clinton, you ask a question and you received an understandable answer. Sentor Biden is not afraid to say what he thinks. You may not like the answer but you got a specific reply as opposed to most of the rest of the canidates who are too afraid to answer straight for whatever reasons.

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RJS in Chicago — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:39:07 GMT

A CBS poll just showed that most Americans don't even know Joe Biden. They don't know him because the media hasn't been doing its job. And people wonder why he is low in the polls?

Breaking News: Hillary is not electable. Neither is Edwards (too left) or Obama (too inexperienced). The only sure winner in this bunch is Biden.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:51:53 GMT

Admittedly, I don't know the specifics of this "stay at home mom" credit. I don't think it's a bad idea. It's not all that different from marital dissolutions when one spouse stays home to raise kids and the other works; the caretaker spouse is generally awarded some type of alimony or financial settlement to "value" the contribution that spouse has made to the marital assets.

However, if it is being suggested that such a plan is going to make it easier for women to stay home with their kids, then I agree with Sara that it is not going to accomplish that. The reality is that most people cannot afford to live without two incomes. The only people that I know who even attempt it are couples who have several children not yet of school age, because the cost of daycare is so expensive that the difference between daycare expenses and the income of the stay at home spouse is slight. Or, of course, wealthy couples who don't really have to worry about money.

I just don't see this helping the average person much now.

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Grant in Nashville — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:19:55 GMT

I am simply puzzled by Biden's strategy. What is his campaign thinking. Why is it that he seems interested in going after everyone except the frontrunner. Did he forget that Hillary is the one he should be going after. So far, I've heard him attack Edwards about his union support, Obama about experience and now Richardson for being a governor. Missing from this discussion, the person who may give him a VP slot. Kucinich and Gravel better watch out, I think their next.

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MidwesternGirl — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:29:29 GMT

I agree Biden had a good show of support and gave one of the best speeches at the Harkin Steak Fry. I'd like to see him as VP or in an Obama cabinent. Obama's 3000+ march of supporters from his pre rally to the Steak Fry entrance was one for the record books. They joined more supporters in the Steak Fry. A sea of Obama O signs and the roar of the crowd 'Obama, Obama' when Harkin said "you did'nt come here to see me, you came to see..." was incredible.

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Stacy S., Medford OR — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:48:25 GMT

Go Joe, Go!

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Straight Up /AZ — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 01:05:22 GMT

Bidens just another Paper Hanger in Washington. He is uncle teddy's left hand tet. and kerry's right hand tet. Thus meaning this three headed monster is always todestroy those who have some what of a chance to help. Over the past thirty years the three Paper hanging s.o.b"s have always either kissed another A@@ or sought to ruien those with a solution to an issue.

Richardson will never become the President , but he stands his ground ,, which is some what pointless. He is like Hillary Clinton a ""Great white hope"" but at the end of the day,, Just Richardson is left standing,,only because he is a want to be Paper HangingS.O.B.

Democratics rule the world of the Idiot. Fragmented, ill prepared, always sucking up to some one's coat tail, all with the same concept as a liar.Now show me real leadership,,not lip serviceand self serving agenda!!!!

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larry ascenzi,ocean city,nj — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 01:20:42 GMT

so who is the better choice..? i don't think either would take a VP spot....Biden could still win this because he has the balls..richardson wants to SOS job and has been running for the job for the last ten years. Bottem line we need someone who has had enough and can stand up and put an end to Bush and this ...I don't knwo a word that could discribe wherewe are......

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Lisa, Los Lunas, NM — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 01:29:05 GMT

Bill Richardson has always had my vote. I've been a constituent of his since his first term in Congress. Bill Richardson has always been there for the People, including my family. New Mexico and the United States have greatly benefited from his work. Think about this - what other candidate has his track record for dealing with and resolving issues in foreign countries? Right now, with the mess that is going to be left behind by the current administration, the United States needs a great diplomat and leader. That great diplomat and leader is Bill Richardson.

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Marilyn Rickard — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 02:05:40 GMT

Personally, I think we are fortunate to have so many great candidates in the Democrat Party! Hillary is villified by so many and not just on the ultra conservative side. I see Democrats making snotty but clever remarks as well. I keep hearing that only blue collar babes "get" Hillary...well, it ain't necessarily so. I hold a college degree and Hillary is my first choice for President. None of us are perfect, but she is one smart woman, a deep thinker and tough in the best sense. I want her for president and hope she blows a hole through all this cloud of negativism. Take a look around folks. Want more of the same? Vote any Republican choice and you got Bush all over again. Whoever gets the Democrat nod will get my vote: I just hope we're smart enough at last to make that Hillary.

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Mike in Arizona — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 04:31:49 GMT

It just so happens that in my humble opinion the most qualified and experienced Dem ticket (though not a snowball's chance in heck) is Biden/Richardson. Go Figure.

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ddd — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 05:57:27 GMT

richardson was clinton ass kisser ,and if the women gets elected he will start all over again.

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Stephen Cassidy, CA — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:52:50 GMT

Biden likes to hear himself talk and talk. Claiming that a governor with an outstanding record of accomplishment who hails from a small state can't make a great President is going to get him nowhere.

Most Democrats believe Bill Clinton was our best President since WWII. He came from a small state.

What does Biden's argument say about Iowans? Under his reasoning, no governor of Iowa would ever be competent to serve as our President. And doesn't that mean Biden too is not the same quality senator as Obama or Clinton?

Richardson won the debate because on the issue Democrats care the most about - how to end the war in Iraq - he gave a clear and unambiguous answer. With Richardson, the voter knows that every single U.S. troop will be out of Iraq within a year of his taking office.

With a President Biden, Edwards or Clinton when will the last U.S. soldier leave Iraq? The answer they gave is it depends on President Bush.

Talk about being passive leaders and not carrying out the will of the American public. I don't want my next President to continue to deploy U.S. troops in Iraq because President Bush is making a mess of the situation. We already know that.

Only Richardson gets it. Our soldiers have become the targets of all sides in a civil war. There is no military solution. In fact, our presence is unwittingly continuing the war. The Iraqis have become dependent on the U.S. for security. By remaining in Iraq, we perpetuate this dependency. We'll never see the Iraqis take charge of their own nation if the U.S. continues to sacrifice its own soldiers to do the job the Iraqis should be undertaking.

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Jeff Winchell - Seattle, WA — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:43:23 GMT

"put someone who presently lives on less then 80K per year in total income in the job"

I believe that Biden is somewhere like 98th out of a 100 in personal wealth in the Senate. That's as close as your going to get. The guy commutes home (to Delaware) after every Senate session. He has like 150,000 net worth (which is a LOT lower than many 60+ year old people who madee 40,000 a year).

Biden is as much an everyday person as anyone on this forum. People here get on his case for being as candid with their opinions as they are. What a bunch of hypocrits you all are.

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H P Boston — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:47:36 GMT

Gerry, Alaska: that is the same thing I pointed out about Richardson. He has not done a good job. Just because you worked in the Governors office and did not get your job done does not mean you should be "promoted" to the presidency. He was also deficient at the DOE.
We already have a failed administration , even though I know MICKEY MOUSE could be better than shrub, we do not want to settle for mediocre.

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Chuck Schmitz, Yellville, AR — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:13:14 GMT

Anyone who has followed Richardson's campaign knows he has a position for whatever audience he's speaking to... and none of them even remotely resemble each other.

The prior comments about how Russert took Richardson to task on his so-called "resume" is accurate, but incomplete. Tim went, point by point, through Richardson's claims to fame and showed him to be the greasy, shape-shifting fraud that he really is.

Senator Joe Biden is perhaps the most qualified of all the Democratic candidates in the field. It's a darn shame his positions are not more closely followed up on by the press. They have not only substance but also reflect his knowledge and integrity.

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Tom, Delmont, PA — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:12:21 GMT

I like them both, and Hillary too.
Any one of thode 3 would be a great President

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Janet Bu, Poolesville, MD — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:13:12 GMT

I like Joe Biden. This man is real. He has sensible, workable ideas and is willing to go on record about his ideas rather than talk around them. He has my vote.

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Bob Aubin, Knoxvile, TN — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:18:08 GMT

Biden is an also-ran grasping at straws. When he voted for the funding bill without a timeline he showed he has no real interest in ending the mess in Iraq. He could have gotten the troops the money they needed for the uparmored humvees without linking it to the rest of the funding. Biden enabled Bush with that vote and his plan for Iraq assumes we need to be the absolute rulers of Iraq - shaping their nation as we see fit. It was a mistake for us to get involved there in the first place.

Richardson is a good man, and he would make an excellent Vice-President for Obama. Obama has the vision and forsight to lead this nation out of the shadow of the Bush years, and his plan for Iraq would end our combat troop involvement, allow the Iraqis to determine their own destiny, and refocus our effort to destroy Al Qaeda in Afganistan and hunt down Bin Laden.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:24:07 GMT

Maybe Joe Biden is just concerned because there are no Dunkin Donut shops in New mexico?

Or maybe because Bill Richardson is not as clean as Obama?

or maybe he is just a Senator from a state that hardly ever makes the newspapers unless he is in it or someone gets shot?

Very interesting, he would pick on someone at the bottom tier instead of going after Hillary.

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Nancy — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:25:49 GMT

Biden obviously has no clue as to the diversity and complexity of the people of New Mexico. We aren't so easily roped in as Mr. Biden suggests.

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Chris, Morristown, NJ — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:58:40 GMT

People that take offense to Biden attacking Richardson are way too sensitive and weak. What's wrong with some harsh, honest debate? Some people are just way too passive, and their desire to have their politicians behave passively and politely is what contributes to the sad state of American politics.

It's this type of thinking that has given us the pathetic Democratic Congress that we have right now. It's this type of thinking that allowed Kerry to get swiftboated while neither he nor his party could mount an adequate defense and/or counter attack.

Biden would never allow that too happen. He is clearly the Dems best and most electable candidate. But, if too many Dem voters get too uncomfortable with this kind of tough talk then they'll nominate another loser. And, in 2008 they'll scratch their heads and wonder how they could've lost to a Republican when all the facts and the majority of the people are on their side.

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Robert, Denver, CO — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:05:28 GMT

Keep your eye on the ball, folks. Instead of quibbling over the minute details that swing voters won't consider anyway, we need to talk about which candidate has a chance of beating the Republican candidate in the general election. Biden had a good point in the AARP debate the other night: Hillary is too polarizing. She has NO CHANCE of getting votes from moderates and independents. Accordingly, she has NO CHANCE of winning the general election. Didn't we learn anything from '04? Who cares about shoring up the liberal base? Those folks will never vote for a Republican anyway. We need to court the vote of the moderates and independents. Those are the people who gave Bush another 4 years; those are the people who have already made it clear that they hate Hillary and don't trust Obama and his lack of experience to run the country. Biden, like it or not, is our best chance of winning the general election. He has experience, he has a record of pulling Republican across the aisle in the Senate, he's likeable, and he's the only candidate who has a valid exit strategy from Iraq.

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Ken Whiton — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:42:32 GMT

The Dems are just as responsible for all Bush's disasters as the GOP.
* Clinton hurt Gore because he couldn't keep his pants zipped and then couldn't campaign for Gore as a successful popular president.
* Gore and Kerry didn't study and learn from Rove/Bush tactics in *two* previous elections and the GOP primary so they could know how to deal with them.
* Gore and Kerry ran stupid campaigns and made stupid mistakes even without help from Rove/Bush. Kerry went wind-surfing even though Rove/were attacking him for being a rich boy who changed positions on the issues. Duh!
What a fine mess we are in. The GOP is incompetant in office and the Dems don't deserve to win elections. Somebody better get their act together or we'll be even further down the toilet than we are now. Not even one of these bozos on either side is presidential material. Gerald Ford looks better every day.

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Mike Sandlin, Lakeland, Florida — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:06:52 GMT

can someone answer me honestly and explain why i constantly see "bush war" etc. when it was the same dem's in congress currently running for president that ok'd the war to begin with? do i need to bust out some quotes by hillary, edwards? seriously: they were presented with the same intel that W had. do you think W took all the intel, edited it, then gave it to the senators? grow the heck up and accept responsibility that we are all in this war together. the only difference is the democrats WANT us to lose.

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George Kist Laurel Delaware — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:16:47 GMT

Big Mouth, Shoe in Butt Joe! As a resident of the first State--Delaware, It's Joe Who to us in the southern section of Delaware. Joe relies on the liberal north for his main support, give them what ever and as much as the liberals need. ANTI-GUN is why us in southern Delaware dislike [HATE] him.

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allison holland — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:50:52 GMT

Biden is the best candidate and Richardson is the worst. His intensions are good but he can't even pull off a talk on Meet the Press where Biden's intelligence and patritotism shine brighter than the greedy gleam in Clinton and OhBombma's eyes. His only problem is that's he's too smart and descent to lie and throw out one-liners. Sadly that seems to be a problem because we dont want forthrightness and intelligence thrown in our faces because with Oboma ans Clinton it's easy to be disparaging. If we actually had to respect our President I think we might feel like we had a real leader and that makes Americans uncomfortable, to have to trust for real. And not just trust that there will be tax cuts but trust that we can have a direction, a plan that makes us think about consequences instead of the quick glory-feel we had been looking for.

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allison holland, lubbock, texas — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:52:03 GMT

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Joe Davis, Seguin, Tx. — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:19:09 GMT

I would love to see Joe Biden be the candidate for us. If not that, the vice president or the Sec. of State.

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Arturo Gomez Universal City,TX — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:50:06 GMT

Democrat presidential candidates keep missing the target(GOP) and are shooting at each other. The best way is to present their solutions to the problems facing this country, and let the voters decide which is the best candidate. Mudslinging does bring results.

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threeriverscrossing, Raleigh, North Carolina — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:54:45 GMT

Richardson like any other seasoned experience executive in government or the private sector has had wins and losses in his career, however, the wins outweigh the losses. At DOE he successfully negotiated lower oil prices for Americans and brought efficiencies to the department. Improved American - North Korean relationships, negotiated for American lives with success, a proven diplomat and experienced executive. It is true that Richardson seems to promise solutions to almost every problem he encounters but he seems to embrace big sky to ground optimism about everything. One thing our country needs now is someone who is positive and has a big sky optimism about the future.

Also Richardson does not talk like a professional politician, talks like a regular person with all the nuances and mistakes. And speaking of mistakes, Richardson is down right honest. He will tell up front that he is not perfect and made his share of mistakes and continue to make mistakes, just like he did in the Meet the Press interview. To me that is refreshing to hear from a politician, personal honesty.

To Richardson's credit has put New Mexico, a poor and small state on the right track for the future, in the next five years the seeds of investment will have taken root deeper in the soil of prosperity. The senior Republican Senator from New Mexico respectfully stated that Richardson has done more for New Mexico than any other Governor in recent history. Richardson has increased investment and brought good jobs in high tech, aerospace, nano-technology, space travel, solar and wind power and entertainment imaging. He has this knack of coming of coming up without of the box with ideas, like the Hero's Card, man to the moon effort to energy independence, removing all the troops, or a Treaty to control fissionable material among countries.

When it comes to the case, can Richardson get elected? Richardson is the only Democrat that can appeal to moderates and conservatives more so than any other Democrat running. Based on the last to Presidential elections, the Democrats just cannot do the math. They fail to appeal to moderates and conservatives and always focus on Northeastern and California liberal voting blocks to carry them through and ignore the conservative Western and Southern states, the NRA crowd, military families, and conservative and moderate Latinos, Blacks and White voters. The truth to the matter is, the Democrats need to grow their base towards the right and center if they wish to cull enough votes to have a reform mandate otherwise, more of the same. Without Richardson on the ticket, the Democratic party prospects look dim in 2008 or slim pickings without a voter's mandate for 2008 reform. As for Joe Biden and his attack tactics at the debate, Richardson is to gracious to counter-attack, and Biden should already know that such tactics will only harm his cause as well as the Democratic party in the long run.

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threeriverscrossing, Raleigh, North Carolina — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:00:29 GMT

Richardson like any other seasoned experience executive in government or the private sector has had wins and losses in his career, however, the wins outweigh the losses. At DOE he successfully negotiated lower oil prices for Americans and brought efficiencies to the department. Improved American - North Korean relationships, negotiated for American lives with success, a proven diplomat and experienced executive. It is true that Richardson seems to promise solutions to almost every problem he encounters but he seems to embrace big sky to ground optimism about everything. One thing our country needs now is someone who is positive and has a big sky optimism.
Also Richardson does not talk like a professional politician, talks like a regular person with all the nuances and mistakes. And speaking of mistakes, Richardson is down right honest. He will tell up front that he is not perfect and made his share of mistakes and continue to make mistakes, just like he did in the Meet the Press interview. To me that is refreshing to hear from a politician, personal honesty.

To Richardson's credit has put New Mexico, a poor and small state on the right track for the future, in the next five years the seeds of investment will have taken root deeper in the soil of prosperity. The senior Republican Senator from New Mexico respectfully stated that Richardson has done more for New Mexico than any other Governor in recent history. Richardson has increased investment and brought good jobs in high tech, aerospace, nano-technology, space travel, solar and wind power and entertainment imaging. He has this knack of coming of coming up with outside of the box with ideas, like the Hero's Card, man to the moon effort to energy independence, removing all the troops, or a Treaty to control fissionable material among countries.

When it comes to the case, can Richardson get elected? Richardson is the only Democrat that can appeal to moderates and conservatives more so than any other Democrat running. Based on the last to Presidential elections, the Democrats just cannot do the math. They fail to appeal to moderates and conservatives and always focus on Northeastern and California liberal voting blocks to carry them through and ignore the conservative Western and Southern states, the NRA crowd, military families, and conservative and moderate Latinos, Blacks and White voters. The truth to the matter is, the Democrats need to grow their base towards the right and center if they wish to cull enough votes to have a reform mandate otherwise, more of the same. Without Richardson on the ticket, the Democratic party prospects look dim in 2008 or slim pickings without a voter's mandate for 2008 reform. As for Joe Biden and his attack tactics at the debate, Richardson is to gracious to counter-attack, and Biden should already know that such tactics will only harm his cause as well as the Democratic party in the long run.

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Kevin Evans- Newport,ME. — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:21:55 GMT

I would agree with one of the writers before Me, I to think that our best and most ready to be President candidate's are going to be looked over,like the right wing nuts did in the last two runs for this office,Biden and Richardson in that order maybe with two terms could make some repair's in this country's direction,after the two bafoons who have screwde it up so badly.

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Stephen Fox — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:57:13 GMT

After everything is said and done in this election, a few insightful folks may soon recognize the Iraq War as the most serious thing threatening the future of the USA. I hope your readers have read New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson's op/ed piece from the Washington Post on how and why we must get out of Iraq, from 14 days ago.If not, here it is, in full, after a few introductory remarks by me:

There is a much larger scale confrontation with Bush from the candidates regarding the Iraq War and the problems it is continuing to cause, after six years of Halliburton and Brown and Root and Blackwater corporate kleptocracy. Only one candidate, it is abundantly clear to me, is really slamming the truth and providing the logistics and rationale for ending this disastrous war: Bill Richardson. This article was printed in the Washington Post 14 days ago, and please take the time to read it:

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Why We Should Exit Iraq Now

By Bill Richardson
Saturday, September 8, 2007; A15

Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards have suggested that there is little difference among us on Iraq. This is not true: I am the only leading Democratic candidate committed to getting all our troops out and doing so quickly.

In the most recent debate, I asked the other candidates how many troops they would leave in Iraq and for what purposes. I got no answers. The American people need answers. If we elect a president who thinks that troops should stay in Iraq for years, they will stay for years — a tragic mistake.

Clinton, Obama and Edwards reflect the inside-the-Beltway thinking that a complete withdrawal of all American forces somehow wouldbe “irresponsible.” On the contrary, the facts suggest that a rapid, complete withdrawal — not a drawn-out, Vietnam-like process —would be the most responsible and effective course of action.

Those who think we need to keep troops in Iraq misunderstand the Middle East. I have met and negotiated successfully with many regional leaders,including Saddam Hussein. I am convinced that only a complete withdrawal can sufficiently shift the politics of Iraq and its neighbors to break the deadlock that has been killing so many people for so long.

Our troops have done everything they were asked to do with courage & professionalism, but they cannot win someone else’s civil war. So long as American troops are in Iraq, reconciliation among Iraqi factions is
postponed. Leaving forces there enables the Iraqis to delay taking the steps to end the violence. And it prevents us from using diplomacy to bring in other nations to help stabilize and rebuild the country.

The presence of American forces in Iraq weakens us in the war against al-Qaeda. It endows the anti-American propaganda of those who portray us as occupiers plundering Iraq’s oil and repressing Muslims. The day we leave, this myth collapses, and the Iraqis will drive foreign jihadists out of their country. Our departure would also enable us to focus on defeating the terrorists who attacked us on Sept. 11, those headquartered along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border — not in Iraq.

Logistically, it would be possible to withdraw in six to eight months. We moved as many as 240,000 troops into and out of Iraq through Kuwait in as little as a three-month period during major troop rotations. After the Persian Gulf War, we redeployed nearly a half-million troops in a few months. We could redeploy even faster if we negotiated with the Turks to open a route out through Turkey.

As our withdrawal begins, we will gain diplomatic leverage. Iraqis will start seeing us as brokers, not occupiers. Iraq’s neighbors will face the reality that if they don’t help with stabilization, they will face the consequences of Iraq’s collapse — including even greater refugee flows over their borders and possible war.

The United States can facilitate Iraqi reconciliation and regional cooperation by holding a conference similar to that which brought peace to Bosnia. We will need regional security negotiations among all of Iraq’s neighbors and discussions of donations from wealthy nations — including oil- rich Muslim countries — to help rebuild Iraq. None of this can happen until we remove the biggest obstacle todiplomacy: the presence of U.S. forces in Iraq.

My plan is realistic because:

It is less risky. Leaving forces behind leaves them vulnerable. Would we need another surge to protect them?

It gets our troops out of the quagmire and strengthens us for our real challenges. It is foolish to think that 20,000 to 75,000 troops could bring
peace to Iraq when 160,000 have not. We need to get our troops out of the crossfire in Iraq so that we can defeat the terrorists who attacked us on Sept. 11.

By hastening the peace process, the likelihood of prolonged bloodshed is reduced. President Richard Nixon withdrew U.S. forces slowly from Vietnam — with disastrous consequences. Over the seven years it took to get our troops out, 21,000 more Americans and perhaps a million Vietnamese, most of them civilians, died. All this death and destruction accomplished nothing — the communists took over as soon as we left.

My position has been clear since I entered this race: Remove all the troops and launch energetic diplomatic efforts in Iraq and internationally to bring stability. If Congress fails to end this war, I will remove all troops without delay, and without hesitation, beginning on my first day in office.

Let’s stop pretending that all Democratic plans are similar. The American people deserve precise answers from anyone who would be commander in chief. How many troops would you leave in Iraq? For how long? To do what, exactly? And the media should be asking these questions of the candidates, rather than allowing them to continue saying, “We are against the war . . . but please don’t read the small print.”

The writer is governor of New Mexico and a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination.

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Voting American — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:58:00 GMT

Biden is a gas bag from a small failing insignificant state that I'm ashamed to be residing in.

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marion casto hobbs new mexico — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:39:10 GMT

i cant understand if bidens words are his or some britisj politions

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Buddha - Tampa Bay — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 01:58:35 GMT

Biden is in it for the matching money before he retires and Richardson is what he's always been-- a hack.

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Buddha - Tampa Bay — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 02:01:43 GMT

Correction: Richardson is a political hack and like most Dems running has never had a real job in the private sector-- has just lived off taxpayers

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doug lominac — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 05:51:48 GMT

Ron Paul makes all of the Democrats look like a bunch of fools. You guys are laughable. Dems don't have a clue.

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All you need is love — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 07:22:24 GMT

Richardson is the best person for the job. Biden on the other hand is a PROVEN LOSER. He lost his chance in 88 because he spouts off at the mouth a little too much without regard to consequences (remember his Duncan Doughnuts comments during his reelection bid in `06?) Now, I don't deny the Senator's intelligence and his own experience on foreign policy matters; but do we need another president as arrogant and haughty as Bush. In a word: NO! Biden exudes arrogance, especially in the AARP forum. His harsh criticisms will only serve to highlight the positive tone of Richardson's campaign and boost the Governor's numbers. What a waste of time for Biden.

Oh, by the way:
"I have watched Richardson be MIA as the head of DOE and again as govener. I can not belive any one considers him a real canadate. He is just lookong for his next job to be missing from"
Well put!!

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Cat Moves — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:54:51 GMT

Gerry, Anchorage, Alaska has it right. I'm from N.M., and our "Governator" has been more notable for disappearing from the state when there are problems than really trying to solve the questions.
I don't know if there are any statistics for it, but I'm sure N.M. would rank near 50 on the graft and theft by government employees if there were.

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Mike, Homer Glen, IL — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:56:57 GMT

I'll be completely honest. As a republican, the candidate i fear the most in the upcoming election is without a doubt joe biden. His foreign policy experience is incredible, and he actually has a plan for anything the Republicans can throw at him. Plus, he is a great debator

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Mike Doe Casseberry, Fla. — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:12:15 GMT

Senator Biden comment about Richardson is correct! Yes he,s low in the polls but he,s been in the arena for some time now unlike alot of you with the snappy comment ! All I have to say is get your sheild and get in the damn arena if you think it is so easy. He is the only one that has come up with a practical plan for the Iraq, Will it work? Who knows, but it,s still a plan I haven,t heard anybody as of yet with a plan. Except the current plan, and nobody seem,s to like it except those who are ordered to implement it and of coures, those who are in denial that it isn,t working. Senator Richardson, McCain,Bush and Reagan are those who allowed the Immigration problem in this country, so wake up people and use your heads about your future it,s your future and your ultimately responsible for those you elect, So if you really want this WAR to come to an end then put pressure on those who represent you else stay in the peanut gallery and let the media referee for you remember their all trying to keep their jobs too!

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Jf, Florida — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:19:00 GMT

Democrats are going to need a tough canidate in the general election to be able to stand up to and bring out the truth to whoever the republican nominee is. I believe this proved that Joe biden can do it.

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Pete Gregorio, St Michaels MD — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 01:48:52 GMT

If Senator Biden has his eyes on the VP nomination (which I doubt, he being more the Secretary-of-state type) then he knows that Gov. Richardson is ideologically and geographically Senator Clinton's logical choice.

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Tom Fine , Braddyville Iowa — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 02:14:43 GMT

Gov. Richardson is NOT Presidential material, and thank God for Biden and others are speaking out. Nonetheless, former Senator JOHN EDWARDS is more Presidential than all the other candidates combined.

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Elizabeth G. (U.S.) — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 03:53:35 GMT

Mark, thanks for the info about why the candidates attack each other. Trying to learn more about Biden & Richardson. Do you think they change their views on the war to see if the poll numbers change? Noticed you said concerned about low numbers. Enjoyed reading all of the comments too.
1st time voter in 2008.
Elizabeth G.
http://BookTestOnline.com

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Virginia, Delaware — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:19:31 GMT

It is about time that Biden or someone calls Richardson on his exagerations and outright lies.
He bounces all over the place and contradicts himself most of the time. His plan about social security credits for working moms or non working moms did not even make sense. His record as Govenor of Nm is not that outstanding. The last govenor we elected will leave us a mess that will take years,if ever to clean up.
Go Joe!!

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Virginia Sussex County, Delaware — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:22:25 GMT

And to VoteAmerican: I am a lifetime Delawarean. I am very proud to live in Delaware; it is far from a failing insignificant state. If you are so ashamed to live here, why don't you leave?

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Virginia — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:39:55 GMT

George in Laurel,
Hi Neighbor, I live in Delmar. I support Joe Biden 100% and think it is well past time for the war of the north and south in Delaware to end. Your statetment is not completely accurate. Yes, Joe's strongest support comes from the northern part of the state,mainly because in the south you disagree about guns.Also the Northern part is more populated. Joe is not anti-gun;only assult weapons. As for not doing anything for lower Delaware,that is not accurate either. Lower Delaware benefited from his "cops" bill and his Violence Against Women Act,and most recently he secured funds for a program to help pregnant teens in the Laurel area,to mention only a few. You should really go to his Senate website and read what he has done. Go Joe and Go Wildcats!

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Virginia Delaware — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:01:58 GMT

Biden did Say something like , What has changed to make you think that Hillary can pull the support from the other side that is needed to pass a healthcare plan?

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Aslam, Corona, California — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:20:54 GMT

I would love to see Clinton in white house maybe we will have things running smooth as we did with Bill clinton.

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Sara, Cedar Rapids, Iowa — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:32:06 GMT

Biden's criticism of Richardson was mild, but accurate. I wonder how many people from NM who are upset watched the debate or read the transcript. (available on Iowa Public Television website)He essentially said that there is a difference between pulling together a health care plan in a state with two million people than a country of 300 million. Does anyone not understand the truth of that statement? When Judy Woodruff tried to get him to say Richardson wasn't qualified, he declined the opportunity, and said "I'm saying he's a great govenor. He's a great governor..."

Sen. Biden is the most qualified candidate from any party to be President. Sen. Harkin saved the most glowing introduction for Biden at the steak fry. Go to youtube and watch Biden's speech, which includes Harkin's introduction, the other candidates choose not to include Harkin's introduction, and it's obvious why. Harkin said "Joe Biden is without question, without question the leading voice in the United States Senate when it comes to foreign policy. As chairman of the powerful Senate Foreign Relations Committee Joe Biden has the persuasion of power, but Joe also has the power of persuasion. He's one of the few Senators who can actually change peoples minds especially when it comes about what to do in Iraq. Nearly two years ago he called for a three way parition of Iraq. Critics said it would never work. Well today defacto the Iraqis are doing it themselves.And this is not the first time that Joe Biden was way ahead of the crowd with his intellect and ideas. Friends lets give a great Iowa welcome to Senator Joe Biden of Delaware."

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Sara, Cedar Rapids, Iowa — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:39:34 GMT

Virginia Delaware Biden said "Lets be frank about this. What's changed to make you think that Hillary is going to be able to pull together 15% of the republicans to join her? ... So the truth is we've got to get to the point. They may be able to do it, but this gets down to a simple basic proposition. I don't question the integrity of a single person on this stage. But what's the record of being able to get folks in those red states to vote for this stuff? Folks, think about it, there is no possibility of getting anyone of our plans unless you get 15 or 20% of the republicans to join us, unless you're going to give us 100 Democrats."

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Virginia — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:21:01 GMT

Thank you Sara

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DJ, Chicago — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 01:27:23 GMT

I think its natural for Joe to attack Bill. When you are trying to run as "the candidate of experience" and there's a former UN ambassador running as well, you have to highlight your differences quickly and decisively before support that you need to catch the front runners is swept away. Its smart campaigning and smart politics and the same pragmatism that is characteristic joe.

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Julie Overvig Medford,Oregon — Fri, 12 Oct 2007 03:00:12 GMT

Biden has my vote because he was among the first politican who questioned Bush's War even warned us about Bush's failed War strategy. Joe Biden has come up with a plan that can get us out of this War. I don't think any of the other candidates get it there either lite Bush's or totally ignorant of the war and think they can just pull out in a month. I also think it was the right thing Biden did about not trying to take the money away from this War. We have brave young men out there fighting this War and we need to make sure they have the equipment that is needed while they are still there they are risking their life's out there and until we can bring them home you can't put them at risk. I know some people think don't finance this war then the War is over. The war is not like a light switch, and if you think it is then get our men home then you turn off the light.

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Sandra, Miami, Florida — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:38:40 GMT

Go Joe! I believe he is one of the most strongest Democratic candidates. Sincere, honest, and knowledgeable, and blunt. These are the exact ingredients for a phenomenal Presidency. Too bad he;s not getting the media attention he deserves. Biden may hold the solution to many of the problems are country is facing, and here we have the media focusing on the most provocative, "controversial", figures who are flimsy......

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Sandra, Miami, Florida — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:42:56 GMT

Go Joe! I believe he is one of the most strongest Democratic candidates. Sincere, honest, and knowledgeable, and blunt. These are the exact ingredients for a phenomenal Presidency. Too bad he;s not getting the media attention he deserves. Biden may hold the solution to many of the problems our country is facing, and here we have the media focusing on the most provocative, "controversial", figures who are flimsy......