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Doria, Jefferson, GA — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:59:33 GMT

This idea gives me hope for the future, being a middle class citizen I worry about the future and if I would be in the position to send my child to college.

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Tran Walters, Canton, oHIo — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:09:41 GMT

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b, atlanta, GA — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:11:08 GMT

Are you thinking of donating all your money or are you thinking of increasing tax again? Hell with these liberals

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Prenne Monitor — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:12:17 GMT

Hillary syas: Clinton said the greeting most common among the Masai tribe of Africa is not, "How are you?" It's "How are the children." This is the question we should ask ourselves, she said.

When ever anyone sees Clinton coming, the questions they should ask themselves is "Where is my wallet? Is my wallet safe?" The woman is a black hole when it comes to money.

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American Voter — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:13:39 GMT

How the hell would pay for this be paid for???

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Blue state baby — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:16:07 GMT

Doria, republicans would fight this tooth and nail. They do not even want a middle class anymore.

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Crystal — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:26:30 GMT

Oh, you can tell a fool anything, tell me the truth. EVERY child born will get a $5000 account, sounds good if it could really happen. I mean really so that means that both a businessman who makes $400,000 and young mother who is makes $20,000 a year, both their children gets $5000, that doesn't seem quite fair. I mean really, and what happens if a child doesn't decide to go to college, what happens to the money? And what happens if lord forbid the child dies, what happens to the money? That idea just has FRAUD screaming all over it.

Why not do something that can help people across the board with less loopholes, like say for instance, like no interest rates on student loans or more grants or something of that sort that can be done honestly!! Or a $5000 tax credit for parents for every year their student is in college. The more and more I hear her speak the more I think she just says things that people want to hear knowing that it really isn't not a sound idea!!!

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Lisa - Fort Worth TX — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:28:53 GMT

I believe higher education is an important issue because it is an investment that pays dividends over a person's lifetime. Unfortunately, the middle class is finding itself priced out of higher education, unless a student wants huge debt upon graduation. (The average student loan debt is now around $20,000)
The poorest students will receive Pell and possibly other grants, but even these grants are inadequately covering basic costs. Even students with several scholarships are scrambling for ways to pay for the ever-increasing costs of college.

The rich will always be able to send their children to college. Unfortunately, there is a large segment of our society that doesn't even dream of getting that degree, due to financial hardship.

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Rufus Gibbons, DC — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:34:34 GMT

Tran the same people who pay for the giant subsidies that bush gave the oil companies when they were posting record breaking profits. Bushie said I will pay you to take all that nasty old oil out from under the wildlife
preserves in Alaska.

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GAB, Austin, TX — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:39:01 GMT

Tran must have been born with a silver spoon in his mouth! You can always tell the wealthy ones.

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Common sense — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:42:16 GMT

Why not make the expense of college 100% tax deductible (5 years maximum)? That makes more sense than everything else that has been mentioned in the past.

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Lisa - Fort Worth TX — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:42:48 GMT

Crystal, you have some good ideas. Implementing a program like Clinton mentioned would be difficult, at best.

My optometrist told me he is still paying his student loans over 20 years later--but at a 3% interest rate, he said he'd be crazy to consolidate his loans to the higher rates of today. Today's 6.8% interest rate on loans certainly adds to student's costs, especially when you note how much even state college tuition has skyrocketed over the last 6 years.

An investment in a student earning a degree is money well spent in my opinion. Citizens who have the ability to support themselves and their families are much less likely to end up on welfare or in prison.

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Bee — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:42:51 GMT

How does she intend to pay for it? I am not sold on the idea until she tell me how she intend to pay for it.

Based on what i see on the last debate, i can't trust HRC on anything she said. She can't answer a simple question and i don't even know where she stand. Can any HRC supporter tell me where she stands on issues?
She won't answer the tough questions by claiming it is hypothetical, she even contradict her husband on issues and when confronted, she said i'll talk to him later. A vote for her is a vote for same old B**S

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George — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:42:56 GMT

Heck Hillary, make it $10000. Or, just go nuts, give everyone $50000 at birth.

Any idea on who would pay the money?

And what about abortions? Shouldn't the moms get a couple thousand, you know, just for the effort?

This woman has completely lost her marbles.

Tran Walters, Canton, oHIo (Sent Friday, September 28, 2007 11:09

Yes, expanding the GI Bill and helping the middle class is CRAZY!
We need every nickel to fight them there so they don't come here. That's worth every penny of the TWO BILLION DOLLARS plus per WEEK we are spending now in our wonderful war of democracy and liberation in Iraq.

As to abortions, right on! We should focus on the rights of the unborn, because we are pretty much giving up any hope for the rights of the post-born.

God Bless George Bush! He has made this country what it is. The last thing we need is Hillary Clinton or some democrat ruining all the progress we've made these past 6 1/2 years.

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Blue state baby — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:43:07 GMT

You do make a good point there Crystal.

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Amazed, Atlanta GA — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:43:27 GMT

Seems to me, this is a "free market" type approach. Most other industrialized nations have subsidized college programs for their masses, AGAIN we are the only ones who don't. So this, takes a small investment on the front end, then leaves it to the "individual" to manage in the "market" from there. It will never, ever pass.. but it's a thinking outside the box kindof idea, if you ask me.

And Crystal, you ask good questions about if the kid doesn't go to college.. those details would have to be worked out, but compared to some nations that pay 100% for their kids' college educations, this is a much more moderate approach.

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martin, dallas, TX — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:45:17 GMT

A clear example of a woman who lives in a fantasy world. You all who think she has what it takes better rethink it. She is an embarressment to this country, and she should be ashamed to want to put bakc a man in the whitehouse who cheated on her, regardless of their acceptance of this. Sick,

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Dot, Illlinois — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:46:15 GMT

So if a woman had 20 children, she will have
earned (?) $100,000??? Did Senator Clinton really think this one through?

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democrat 101 — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:50:39 GMT

Buying people off is easier than trying to come up with real ideas that might gore the ox of an already bought off group of people.

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Lee Holmes — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:53:14 GMT

What the blazes makes anyone believe that there will even be a ''middle class''after it has been taxed into the ground by these insane mommy-state schemes. Bear in mind that not a single Democrat has the guts to deal with illegal immigration,so American taxpayers will be forced to bear the brunt of upwards of 20-40 million new babies borne as progeny of illegals every 10-15 years or less. And this does not count those of other racial groups here legally or not. This is merely more Dr. Feelgood to be spooned out to the gullable masses.

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Amazed, Atlanta GA — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:00:45 GMT

Boy, these posts amaze me. Heaven forbid we invest in the education of our children, but bombing the ME back to the stone ages is appropriate. Man, the insanity of it all.

Kudos to those of you who've posted alternative ideas of how to deal with rising college costs. Hillary may have accomplished one thing.. starting the conversation. Sure don't hear any republicans with any worthwhile suggestions on the issue.

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squintz, philly, pa — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:01:30 GMT

I'm sorry, is this analysis? You spend the better part of your day criticizing every other candidate in this race, and then just post a summary of Senator Clinton's speech? Early weekend today, boys?

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pab, ozark, al — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:03:00 GMT

Give me a break! What on Earth did Billary do for blacks while holding the most powerful office in the world? The 1994 crime bill, which Billary enacted, took millions from education to build prisons, 8oo,ooo slaughtered in Rwanda while the first "black President" lifted not one finger to stop the killings. The difference in sentencing between crack and powder cocaine, as Barrack Obama said the only difference in this drug is the color of skin of the person holding the drug, this injustice could have been made fair by a stroke of a pin from the highest law enforcement officer of the land (Bill Clinton). Yet he chose not to right this wrong. There's Ricky Ray Rector, Bill Clinton flew back to Ark. off the campaign trail to sign the death warrant, and oversee the execution on this mentally retarded black man in 1992. So all you black people voting for Hillary because you miss Billary take a long hard look at what the Clintons did for you when they had the chance to put laws in place that would effect positive change. As for Hillary promising you college money at birth, please remember Haiti, Billary promised refuge to people coming here from that poor country, however once he took office he revoked that promise, the reason he gave; too many blacks were coming to the U.S. from Haiti. How's that for loyalty.

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CitizenJ — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:03:59 GMT

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Aftsiloochis of Liverpool — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:10:31 GMT

Hill could hire a fleet of dump trucks load them

with cash and dispatch the to "the Inner Cities''

and unload at street corners. This would be a mighty

blow against poverty and crime.

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Frank Piedmont, New York — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:11:06 GMT

But will all these kids on Hillary's new program be able to get a six figure job with no experience, right out of college like Chelsea did?

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bb — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:11:35 GMT

Great idea! The Clintons at least come up with ideas to help others instead of the repub way, which is getting contracts for their friends to get rich. Repubs steal from the middle class and poor and give to the rich. Oh yea, lets complain about the dems. What a crock!

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Tori S — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:13:04 GMT

I think its great and maybe we can get her plan implemented once we get crazy Bush out of office and democrats back in.

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Lyn, MD — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:14:17 GMT

Don't worry she will change her song later when she is front of a different group....heaven forbid all group are in thesame place. Like her baseball team choice she will just go back and forwards

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Ed Weirdness — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:15:20 GMT

HC is truly, dangerously, and desperately insane. What about the kids who can't or won't go to college? Can they still have the money for a new car, some bling, or say simply to invest in pharmaceuticals? The majority of births in America are to immigrants, and the majority of those are to illegal aliens. What part of no on increased immigration numbers are these candidates incapable of understanding? What we truly need is legislation that allows American tax payers to opt out of funding insane policies like this. Let Citizens keep more of their tax dollars and they'll be able to afford college. Eliminate the unfair wage competition of massive immigrant influxes, and Citizens will be able to afford college. Eliminate the insane competition for affordable housing caused by overpopulation, and Citizens will be able to afford college.

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F StLouis — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:16:40 GMT

Oh My! Republicans are such whiners and complainers. Never happy with anything except war and killing.Someone brings up a good idea that might help the regular guy and his family and we got big crybabies complaining that it won't work. Lets just keep pouring money into Iraq, like your nutjob president wants to do. Then blame democrats. Big baby republicans.

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Students at UNF — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:17:51 GMT

Oh! good idea from the future president of the U.S. Hillary Rodham Clinton. We love you Hill!

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SkyTalker (Tax preparer) — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:19:28 GMT

There is an existing program aclled the Earned Income Tax Credit, available for lower income persons as a refundable credit on the federal (and some state) tax returns of up to $4,000 if they have 2 or more children.

If the parent(s) saved this money as though it nelonged to the child, the child(ren) would have a good sum of money at 18. However, most parents who claim this credit use it for cars, trips, paying back bills and meeting everyday expenses.

What low income people really need is money-management counseling and to stop considering their kids and the EITC as a cash gift from the goverment each year.

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Pauli Tucci — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:20:19 GMT

How about give that 5000 to every rich family who make over 1 million a year... that s the republican way. Rotten, self centered liers.

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Susan Jacobs, Trenton, NJ — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:21:04 GMT

So if a woman had 20 children, she will have
earned (?) $100,000??? Did Senator Clinton really think this one through?

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Do liberals ever think anything through? Once again, another so called feel good Oprah moment from Hillary. Liberals see a politican talking about giving them something for nothing, and their eyes get really big. "I'm getting something for doing nothing? Where do I sign?" they go. You just shake your head sometimes.

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Bruce, NV — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:21:23 GMT

Oh, my, every one gets $5k? you think we've got a lot of illegals having US babies now? Woo hoo!

Seriously though, should everyone go to college? Doesn't that water down the value of a college degree, if everyone has one? If you think tuitions are high now, with no market controls on them, imagine if this program kicked in?

Every time I think "y'know, a Hillary Clinton presidency wouldn't be so bad", she drags me kicking and screaming back to reality.

A smarter idea would be, as Crystal says, a tax credit; but phase it out with income (and remember to index for inflation!)

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Charles Mucha — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:23:07 GMT

To George,
You Sir, are an idiot! George Bush and the Republicans have put us so far in debt over his time in office that this country's currency is now worth less than the Canadian dollar. There's nothing conservative about Republican's except their narrow view on gun legislation, gay rights or a women's right to choose. Government spending has gone up during every Republican administration since Reagan. And our debt....China pratically owns us.Far less rich countries provide free education through college for their children. You go Hillary!

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RationalAmerican — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:25:18 GMT

More sick socialism from the little Ms. Marx.

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Glenn Rogers, Cabot Ar. — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:26:35 GMT

Welfare mom's already make what for each child?? Now she,HRC, wants to give them more money. That is only a good idea because most of them will not get out of grade school. NOW remember that the illegal's will demand there share also. Does this never ever end.

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David Withers, Omaha NE — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:26:38 GMT

Hillary will say anything to get the "black vote". Why is it a "black vote" anyways? Think she would say any of this stuff to a "white" audience, heck no she wouldn't. She is a model politician who will say anything to get elected. One day fight in iraq, the next pull out.
The political parties are to pitfall of our so called democracy. Get rid of them and we'll have true elections.
Withers

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James Powers — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:27:51 GMT

Let's get real. a $5000 bond is a good step towards educating America. The money is not partisan. Every baby, whether their parents are blue state or just plain red. As for taxes, they have been cut way too much already. taxes pay for wars and baby bonds alike. This really is an interesting idea though. What will the money be doing while it is waiting for those babies to grow up? Why, it's loaning itself to the federal government of course. At a time when Americans aren't saving enough for themselves, the Clinton machine wants to find new ways of paying the government. Don't be fooled, the money for college is a merely an afterthought.

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Ed Weirdness — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:29:44 GMT

Amazed. There's probably a reason why people risk their lives to sneak into the United States, while others stnd in line for years. Even though some countries pay 100% of the education costs, it seldom has much payback for those nations. Usually, graduates beat it for the United States as soon as they get their lambskin. Modeling America's economic, social or cultural policies after those of nations who's resident "flee" as soon as they can, is not an argument for the United States to emulate these practices. The one thing our government hasn't tried not interfering in the lives of Citizens. Government should be getting out of the way of its Citizens, and turning loose of our wallets.

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Doug, California — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:29:58 GMT

Free college for every child. Free health care for all. A good job for everyone, with a secure retirement.

But where will the money come from?

To students of history, Senator Clinton's campaign promises are beginning to sound more and more familiar....

Who was it who promised "A chicken in every pot?"

Oh yeah, it was Herbert Hoover, right before the Great Depression....

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John — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:30:26 GMT

so "every baby born in American" gets $5,000? does that include those illegal immigrants?

Heck, I guess those illegal Mexican woman will do nothing but giving birth in US afterwards.

And I am sure that democrats are going to raise our tax to pay for it. Whoever votes for HRC will regret to do so.

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Bruce St. Helens, OR — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:33:33 GMT

Rather than focus on whether $5,000 or a million, I question the premise that a college education is the be all and end all. The proposal is absolutely elitist. Where are the plumbers, electricians, machinists or medical technicians in this plan? I'm not knocking the value of a college education, but its real value is in the effort to achieve a degree, which this proposal seems to ignore, and not all high school graduates are interested in further academic work. What does the Senator offer them?

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Ed Weirdness — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:35:14 GMT

Our Government is by law, prevented from earning a profit (technically any earnings from fees, licenses, etc,, are plowed back in). That being the case; giving every child $5000.00 means taking $5000.00 from the tax payers. This is neither a reasonable or sustainable suggestion.

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Adam Schifter, USA — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:38:03 GMT

What a GREAT IDEA! Let's sock away 25 Billion dollars a year that will benefit the 15% of kids who are born with the intelligence but lack the means so that they along with the kids who can afford it, can use it 18 years later after 450 billion dollars has been taken away from funds that could go to public education and get the 15% the tools and grades to get a good scholarship. What a great idea to take away a driving force for those kids to work hard for those grades and take away the funds to provide the rigor and instruction they need in this technological age.
Hillary is pure genius!
Obama is a dope for wanting to put education funds to work now and provide legislation to make college affordable.

VOTE HELLARY SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO SINK THIS COUNTRY FOR GOOD! LISTEN TO BUSH (HE IS THE DECIDER) HILLARY IS THE LESSER OF MANY EVILS!

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EA, Minneapolis — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:40:09 GMT

Geez, if you can plow through the pro/anti HRC rhetoric here, there are some intriguing ideas...

But the core one we're reading/chatting about is pretty simple and MIGHT be a good one, which is all HRC was saying? It's worth investigating, refining, and evaluating.

1. A citizen has a kid.
2. Kid gets a trust fund (not the parent)
3. Kid finishes high school before 18
4. At 18, trust fund becomes available to be used ONLY for college tuition.

The hidden costs really aren't that "hidden": someone will need to administer the trust funds and their payouts, extra paperwork will occur between those administrators and the colleges receiving payment, etc. But there's no more risk of "fraud" than a usual trust fund, in fact there's less since this money is earmarked ONLY for tuition payments.

To simplify this for some contributers: If Britney has more kids, neither she nor Kevin Federline would benefit, only the children would, and only IF they finish school and go to college.

And folks naive enough to assume a one-to-one correlation of plans like this with tax increases have no idea how our government actually functions. In the end, the cost of a plan like this pales in comparison to most others, especially during wartime activities.

It's plan that encourages children to stay in high school, get to college, and help offset tuition costs... nothing more. Certainly it's an idea worth entertaining and discussion, on it's own merits and separate from Red vs Blue propaganda...

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James Westphal, Manitowoc, WI — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:43:12 GMT

Our health care system is too costly and provides substandard care when compared to the world community of nations.

We have done nothing about energy conservation since the Carter administration crisis.

We have not added oil refining capacity, which now determines ever increasing fuel prices.

Our Social Security trust fund has been dipped into by the government and now our Government wants to know, "How can we ever keep it afloat?"

And now Hillary Clinton, without addressing these financial challenges for America would like to offer another scheme without the means to fund it other than probable tax increases. I am for education and investing in our children, but let's do it honestly and with a real plan.

We need better leadership than George W. has provided and Hillary's political double speak is far the leadership we require in these challenging times.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:50:34 GMT

This is nothing more than a ruse by Clinton. She doesn't plan on doing this. She knows that it is quite unlikely that she could even get her healthcare plan passed, and that she definitely wouldn't get this passed. The only reason she would possibly promote this is so that it will bring more people to the polls who ignorantly think that she really intends to try to pass it.

CitizenJ (Sent Friday, September 28, 2007 12:03 PM)

Seems like even though you hate anyone to assume that they know what you think, you have no trouble telling us what's in Clinton's mind.
Her supporters are no more or less ignorant than anyone else's, but if you want to insult us, feel free.
Yes she does and yes she will. Hillary has been an advocate for children for her entire career in public life, and to disparage her sincerity and her intent on this topic indicates a lack of knowledge about the candidate, or a personal bias that has nothing to do with the facts, against them.

Van

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Cary R., Athens, GA — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:52:17 GMT

other countries do similar, but for different reasons. Australia is up to $8000AUD (approx $7000USD)/per child but TO THE PARENT. i think our economy can handle it.

rough calculations--approx 3.5 mil childern/yr X $5000 = $17 bil. i gotta say, compared to war spending which may have no tangible effect on US economy, this seems like a bargain. the $190 billion just asked for ONE YEAR of war could fund this proposal for over 10 years.

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nuanced — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:55:16 GMT

Sounds like a gimmick to me and I don't think we should be encouraging people to have children with payoffs. There is no long term solution to the environment, polution, global warming, hunger and poverty without population control.

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Erik — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:01:19 GMT

Clinton spoke to the crowd of more than 500 for about an hour, taking questions from mostly young people in the audience and interrupting herself at times to greet politicians she spotted in the room.

WHAAAAAATTT!!!!! Are you kidding me MSNBC! Obama has a rally for 24,000 people in NYC yesterday and you give mention to Hillary's 500 people. This is really disappointing! The messages on these blogs and public opinion is meaningless! The media wants to force the candidate they want down the American voters throats! I'm through with this. All these blogs do is amuse the media because in reality everyone who writes on these blogs do not matter in there eyes. Why bother. All we do is give them traffic for their advertisers. To them the voters don't matter only big business.

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Dot, Illinois — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:02:09 GMT

To Amazed in Atlanta

We definitely need to come up with ways to help pay college expensese for children. But I think we need well thought out ideas, such as tax breaks for parents of college students, help in repaying student loans, or perhaps a national scholarship fund paid for by income taxes, for students whose parents can't afford college tuition for their children. A national college fund will help all our bright young people who are denied a college education because they can't afford the costs involved.

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Rick, WS, NC — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:03:28 GMT

I like the reps who demand to know how "she" is going to pay for it while for 6 years they have NEVER asked how he, king george was going to pay for everything he and the reprehensible congress spent on the war and tax cuts...why is that reps? why do you only act fiscally responsible when a dem suggests something?

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Jean Wong — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:16:41 GMT

Children are our future.

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Pat, Huntington, NY — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:27:45 GMT

Amazing how no one apparently read the article and heard what she said. She only said she "liked the idea" of so called baby-bonds for college, not that it was one of her goals to implement if president. Obviously it's an idea that needs work, but like prior comments said, she's at least thinking about higher education, in ways that are out of the box - republican criticizing her provide no answers. Of course, the hillary bashing comments never cease to amaze me. I'm certain that if there was an article that noted Hillary's observation that the sky is blue, there'ld be at least 30 posts calling her a flip flopper, an out of touch liberal, disgusting, a lier, commie, etc. for calling the sky blue. Thus, the knee jerking negative comments about her have zero credibility or weight.

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Bee — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:28:34 GMT

Hillary Clinton is the most phony politician i have ever seen in my life time. What a joke! She will say anything to get elected. Where is her value? Even Bill Clinton didn't promise $5,000 for every child born.

The last time i checked, she was talking about fiscal responsibility. Is this the way she intend to balance the budget. Democrats better wake up before they elect a disaster that cannot win the general election.

I am hoping the stupid media will press her on this and i won't be suprise if they don't.

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TT Texas — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:38:38 GMT

Why would Hillary Clinton want to subsidize education for people who can't get on the voting rolls? I know some stupid white college kids who couldn't get on the voting rolls either. The key word here is "stupid".

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Alan in Phx — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:40:19 GMT

Money for college is out there if you do the research. the internet makes it so easy to find grants(free) money for either college or tech school.

Last yr over 2 BILLION went unused bacause nobody asked for it. All you have to do is apply and it is almost a lock you will get it. Government programs like this one would be a disaster and fraud laden.

All you so called put upon middle class parents who WORRY about the college investment. Get your 11th grader to start looking up grants and make it like employment. Have them dedicate a few hours a week early on in the school year and you will be amazed that by the time they graduate, college will be paid for. It takes effort to look and to fill out the apps, but the rewards are great also it starts to teach your kid that effort pays dividends, plus you obtain contacts for future endeavours.

Yes, many parents cannot afford out of their operational funds to pay for college, but they can encourage their kids to look for the funds, because they are out there.

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Bob young, Indianapolis, Indiana — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:43:57 GMT

What does Hillary mean when she says expanding the GI Bill? My guess is that she wants to add "conscientious objectors", anyone who registered as a democrat, people who protest against the war, and anyone who is in favor of decreasing the size and cost of our military to those eligible for the GI Bill benefits. She probably wants to include those who were thrown out of the military with dishonorable discharges too.

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Christy — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:55:00 GMT

I love how the republicans never get upset at the tax deductions to the rich but if a black kid gets benifets thier crying all the way to church. Republicans your going to be out on your right wing ass!

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George — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:55:33 GMT

Charles Mucha (Sent Friday, September 28, 2007 12:23 PM)

Try reading my post again, this time carefully.
I won't call you an idiot for your misplaced outrage at a satirical post, as I am sure that your outrage is sincere.

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Al, KS — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:00:57 GMT

Maybe this is just a hypothetical $5,000...can you say pandering?

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christy — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:02:43 GMT

I think helping families with educating their kids will motivate the kids and help our future! Lets see over 8% of our children don't even graduate high school. If a republican’t had their way, kids would sleep with the bible and hunt at night, j/k but really it's kinda true! When will the repubs realize that education and our environment is the most important, not the war or the bible, that does not put food on the table! I'm really scared to get old if the republicans ever get majority! That's really sad.

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ernest pearland texas — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:06:19 GMT

the best idea I heard of. hears how it works take tax money from the extreamly ritch, you know the money that they use to throw big partys,weddings,false charitys.oh yea and strip clubs,senseless car,boats,planes,I could go on.If the kid dose not finish school or somthing happens to him the money gets transferd to the lockbox or to another newborn remember the poor and middle class do not get taxed if this makes you mad you are extreamly rich.every state has pro sports and big companys so give it up quit being greaty.

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Amazed, Atlanta — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:09:57 GMT

Dot, Completely agree. As I said, the 5000 up front one time investment is one idea. Taking it further, you could make it a contribution to a 529, and encourage parents to "add to it" with modest tax cuts. National scholarships, tax credits are other credible ideas. What would be interesting, is whether the 5000 up front would cost LESS in the long run than tax credits. Would be an interesting analysis. As I said, at least, the democrats are willing to bring this up. Just look at this board, nothing but a bunch of whiners afraid their tax dollars will go to educating future generations rather than bombs in Baghdad. It's incredible to me, the negative response to something that could benefit working families. I don't have to lecture you guys that Americans are falling behind knowledge and skill wise compared to the rest of the world stage..are we going to do something about it?

As for kids who don't go to college, perhaps a system could be worked out to help them too.. with trade school, jr college.. no one said only 4 year universities were allowed. We SHOULD encourge more trade school education as well for those so inclined.

Folks, it's all about WHAT we spend our money on. Do we want to dump into a black hole in Iraq.. or do we want some of our taxdollars going to invest in our future generations? Do we want to be competitive in 20 years on the world stage? Do we want corporate welfare babies (like the pharmeceutical companies) getting all the breaks while regular folks struggle? Those are the questions for the age, and each of us will have to determine which direction to vote. On this, and many other pressing issues.

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Connie, Tn. — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:13:27 GMT

We keep increasing the bonus money for enlisting so the Repugs can keep their war going. Why not bring back the draft and provide for college education??

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Amy B Portland, ME — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:22:58 GMT

Maine has a high rate of high school students graduating, but fewer than the national average of them go on to college. A study of the situation said its because students and their parents are unsure how to proceed to higher education. (kind of a losing cycle, I guess). I think if it was understood that students had $5000 towards tuition from birth, it would raise expectations that kids can move forward, regardless of their family background. I recall VA Gov. Mark Warner had a lot to say about helping students transition after H.S. either to college or trade schools. It was one of the reasons I wanted to vote for him for President.

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CitizenJ — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:23:28 GMT

Van,

It is my duty as a citizen to be wary of what candidates tell me when they are wanting to be my president for 4 years. If we, as a nation, were more wary, maybe we wouldn't be in Iraq.

It is not, however, YOUR place or MINE to assume what some average Joe means when they say something.

But if, as you say, it is insulting for me to interpret what I think Clinton's actual intentions are, then how is your statement that she DOES intend to follow through with this plan and that she WILL do it any less insulting to those that think she won't? Does the fact that you support her somehow make it ok that you say she will definitely follow through? I understand your undying support for her, but this seemingly blind faith in her intention to get this done, much less her ability to get it done, is a little unsettling.

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Monney Baggs — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:37:03 GMT

$5000 a kid? To be invested?? Well, sign me up, and lets get this thing rolling!! Do you realize where the stock market would go by pumping $20 billion a year into the market from this fiasco? Us investors would make a killing.

Thanks Hillary! Up until know, I was voting for someone else. Guess it does all come down to voting your pocketbook.

Just be sure to sell before any of these bonds come due. You just know the government will raid the funds and stuff the lock box with IOUs. But h*ll, that will be someones elses problem.

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LonewackoDotCom, L.A. CA — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:41:42 GMT

More great MSNBC reporting! Just write down her remarks, and don't ask her about the massive downsides of her scheme. For instance, the impact this would have on illegal immigration, as illegal aliens flooded the U.S. to take advantage of Hillary's giveway.

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Jael, downstate Illinois — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:43:50 GMT

This is the most stupid thing I have heard yet from ANY of the candidates. Let me spell this out for you. WE, THE USA, DO NOT HAVE ANY MONEY!! It's not a question of being able to give money to every baby born for a college education. It's a question of how much is every current, and future, TAXPAYING citizen of the USA going to have to pay in increased taxes to recover from 2 terms of BUSH. The bill is going to come due, and anyone who didn't live thru the '70's, with double-digit inflation and interest rates, is going to get a wake-up call.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:55:30 GMT

I understand your undying support for her, but this seemingly blind faith in her intention to get this done, much less her ability to get it done, is a little unsettling.

CitizenJ (Sent Friday, September 28, 2007 2:23 PM)

Does that also go for you and your support for Obama?
Is that also unsettling?
It is just another example of the bias that I was commenting on.

Van

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Ashe, SF CA — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:57:13 GMT

It's just typical Hillary pandering to the crowd. She has no intention of awarding families with $5k just like she has no intention of ending the Iraq war. Say no to Hillary- the democratic version of George W Bush.

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Richard, Washington State — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:13:04 GMT

We all know how the government has used the Social Security "Trust Fund".

At what point does Hillary's plan project that this one will be used to balance the budget? $17.5 billion x 17 years plus earnings at 4% (can't put in the stock market, remember) comes to about $474 billion "unspent" by the time the first beneficiary is eligble to use it.

No one gets to use any of this money until approximately 2025 but it will be in the safe hands of . . . who? And it won't be fair to children born last year or the year before . . .

But it's still a great idea because it feels so good.

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Kevin Smith, Memphis, TN — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:30:40 GMT

"Clinton said such an account program would help Americans get back to the tradition of savings that she remembers as a child, and has become harder to accomplish in the face of rising college and housing costs." <http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8RUJEL00&show_article=1>

So the tradition of savings in the United States she remembers as a baby is one where no family sacrifices are made and is government controlled?

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:33:55 GMT

Lisa - I wish that I had only $20,000 in debt. Actually, I had $20,000 in debt from my undergraduate studies. Once I added law school in, my debt hovers somewhere around $140,000. Like your doctor, I will be paying that off for many, many years to come. Thankfully, the majority of the loans were federal loans and I have them consolidated at 2.86% - but the ones that are higher are killing me.

Yes, I know I made a choice to go to college and to law school. But people shouldn't have to put themselves into 6-figure debt (which is more and more common in graduate schools) to get ahead.

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PAT, HUNTINGTON, NY — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:35:41 GMT

AGAIN NO ONE CAREFULLY READ WHAT SHE ACTUALLY SAID SHE DID NOT SAY SHE'S MAKING THIS PART OF HER PLATFORM JUST THAT SHE LIKES THE IDEA AND PERHAPS MORE NEEDS TO BE LOOKED INTO IT!

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George Brackett — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:38:46 GMT

Al, KS : Maybe this is just a hypothetical $5,000...can you say pandering?

And it's hypothetically coming out of yours and my pocket.

Why is this woman (Hillary) allowed to roam the streets? She is certifiably nuts. It does not take long listening to her to understand she does not have a clue what is she is talking about. Health care, child care, college care, care care care. She has nothing. The solution to every last problem to her is a huge massive government program.

It's a real pity to this country that she is as popular as she is.

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Crystal — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:57:33 GMT

( Pat, huntington)
"AGAIN NO ONE CAREFULLY READ WHAT SHE ACTUALLY SAID SHE DID NOT SAY SHE'S MAKING THIS PART OF HER PLATFORM JUST THAT SHE LIKES THE IDEA AND PERHAPS MORE NEEDS TO BE LOOKED INTO IT!"

Come on PAT you are truly splitting hairs, I mean you are right I guess she is also saying I like the idea of troops coming home from war, I didn't actually say I was going to make sure it gets done!!!

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Adley Bell, Houston Texas — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:07:21 GMT

Six figure debt? That explains why lawyers have to sue the pants off people to make up the difference. Way to many laws, and way too many lawyers in this country. What we need is some serious Tort reform. But seeing the lawyers control that too, we'll never see that either.

I'd like to say being a lawyer is honest work, but the system is set up so that it encourages lawyers to prey on people's misery. Oh, sure, at some point we
all need a lawyer. The only actions I've ever done that required a lawyer was to have one look over the 100+ page contract when buying a house. Lawyers had a lot to do with contracts being that big too. People used to be able to settle their differences between themselves. What ever happened to that? The old joke of 'What do you call 100 lawyers in a bus that goes over a cliff? A good start.' is so true.

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CitizenJ — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:08:35 GMT

"Does that also go for you and your support for Obama?
Is that also unsettling?
It is just another example of the bias that I was commenting on. "

Yes, it does go for my support of Obama.
No, it is not unsettling because I have considered the plans Obama has put forth, I have thought about them, and the fact that he doesn't lead in the polls doesn't change my loyalties. As a matter of fact, I don't think Obama's healthcare plan will pass, but I do think it has a better chance of passing than Clinton's. Also, if Obama said he wanted to give every child $5,000 for college, I would be wary about his ability to get it done. I don't claim that he will get it done, as you do with Clinton, and I'm not insulted if someone questions his ability.

But I would, however, have more confidence in his intentions to do it than I do with Clinton. The reason is that Clinton comes off as too calculating and conniving, and she gives me the impression that she does nothing unless it will serve a purpose for her personally.

I have few problems with Clinton's policies. It is a matter of character, and she has none. The only thing that can change my mind about that is Hillary Clinton. Not the MSM, who reports more insignificant, sensationalist drivel than the National Enquirer; not the polls; and certainly not your incessant singling out of posters for the sole purpose of fulfilling your obsession with yourself.

So if you truly feel that I hate Hillary Clinton, or that I hate you for supporting her, you should just start a diary and write about how much CitizenJ pisses you off, or how MK, MO really gets on your nerves. Once you have blown off some steam and pulled yourself down from your own self-built pedestal, then maybe you will realize that most people on this board are not convinced by your arguments that Clinton is the best candidate because she is ahead by 15 points in some poll. It's a tired argument, and one that is not gaining the support of anyone who is smart enough to not let someone else cast their vote for them.

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sonya, atlanta, ga — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:17:59 GMT

Clinton reduced to bribing Americans for a vote. She should be locked up.

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Richard, Washington State — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:25:39 GMT

Carrie: I put myself into six figure debt when I desired a better home. You've put yourself into six figure debt presumably to better your life in the long run. Debt is debt, whether it's for the purpose of bettering one's present or one's future.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:45:05 GMT

Richard - Okay, and your point is what exactly?

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Sara, Cedar Rapids, Iowa — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:59:58 GMT

Clinton apparently said "I like the idea of giving every baby born in America a $5,000 account that will grow over time, so when that young person turns 18, if they have finished high school they will be able to access it to go to college," Clinton said, calling it one way to give young people a chance to save money tax free."

Does any one wonder where she got the idea? Go to Joe Biden's website and you will see this was his idea, although far more modest the government invests 500.00 per child born in 08 (or 09 on), and the parents can add additional money per year to the fund for college, (or can be used for down payment on a home) the child pays back the original 500 (no interest) at 25.

Biden discussed his far more modest plan at previous debates/forums.

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Robert Catalano, Salem, OR — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:38:05 GMT

Carrie, if you are a lawyer, you should get into politics. You seem to have good ideas and your reasoning ability is sound.

As far as Hillary's plan goes, the stock market would benefit greatly if this money were put into interest bearing accounts and managed by banks and investment firms. Any of you who had doubts Hillary was a shill for Wall Street, this should answer them. By advocating for a program which seemingly helps people in need while providing for the transfer of more public funds into private hands, she has created the perfect program to appeal to her liberal supporters while enriching those she really cares about. What's the difference if money goes to investment firms or Halliburton. It's still allowing the already wealthy to feed at the public trough.

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Max, Illinois — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:45:42 GMT

Carrie - For a lawyer, you're sure busy posting around here today. Run out of people to sue?

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Richard, Washington State — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:11:18 GMT

Carrie, Eastern Iowa:

My point, exactly, is: "Yes, I made a choice to go college and to law school." That's about it.

You seem to be suggesting that other people should subsidize you (I mean that more in the general "you" sense) because you made an expensive choice.

Should the law school education be cheaper (thereby depriving instructors of salary or benefits or other students of school resources)? Should the taxpayer subsidize you in some way that's greater than the abnormally low interest rate you already receive?

You presumably took a risk on a bigger investment for a bigger return. No one else should subsidize that and I don't see any other possible interpretation of your statement that "people shouldn't have to put themselves into 6-figure debt to get ahead".

People routinely put themselves into 6 figure debt "to get ahead" (newer, bigger houses, newer more expensive cars, acquisition of investments (like an education)etc.

So, what was your point, exactly, since I seem to have misinterpreted it?

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vanreuter, NY NY — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:59:56 GMT

"It is a matter of character, and she has none."

CitizenJ (Sent Friday, September 28, 2007 4:08 PM)

There is little that can be said to someone who exhibits such an irrational bias. The deep-seated prejudice and irrational hatred contained in accusing a former first lady, 2 term senator from New York and leading candidate for the democratic nomination for President of the United states of being devoid of character make any reasonable political discourse impossible.

I am sure that your need to lecture me yet again on what others want or think is as trivial to them as it is to me. You may be proselytizing for converts, and railing at the world and the MSM for not sharing your views, but I am demonstrably not. Nor do I use factual information for any purpose than to back up my argument(s).

In time the campaign will run it's course and the debate here will be about which party can best serve our Nation, and all of the rancor over internecine rivalries will be a dim memory, as each party lines up behind their standard-bearer. I hope that by that time your anger subsides and that you and I can put our energies towards electing a democratic President and congress rather than the petty and silly bickering that you made such a point of saying that you disdained in your, "advice", to me.

Until then, I expect more of the same. I don't like it. I don't want it, but I do (sadly) expect it.

Van

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HOT DAM — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:22:40 GMT

Richard You are not alive and as well as you think! To compare an education with a six figure house is why you are still stupid!
America suffers from people who act as ignorant consumers.

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Bee — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:48:57 GMT

Until she tell me how she intend to pay for it, i'll consider it another of the Clinton's lie.

She cannot be trusted. She's a joke who will say anything to get elected.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:25:48 GMT

Hillary wants to give $5000 to every child born?
I better sell my trojan stock......

Hillary wants to give $5000 to each child born
New York City wants to pay people to go to work.

No wonder New York has a lot of problems, with thinking comming from morons like those in their state.

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jason, Maumee, Ohio — Tue, 02 Oct 2007 18:19:20 GMT

HELLO PEOPLE!!!

1. They already have a similar program in England (Do google search) that is working.

2. The account is NOT for the parents its for the child and grows over time to pay for collage. Parents cannot get the cash!

3. Avg. person pays $27,000 in national debt to pay for scrubbed student loans. (it could be a savings)

4. STOP LISTENING TO TALK RADIO IT IS NOT NEWS!

I say that it is an intersteing idea that has had positive results in other countries. We should give it a fair look.

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Araxie, Lehi, Utah — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:32:09 GMT

As my sister said, this idea of hers would give the state of Utah more money than HRC ever intended

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Steve — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 22:08:55 GMT

Last time I checked, with the possible exception of the jurisdiction of Bethlehem, having sexual intercourse was, for years, a prerequisite for conceiving a child. (Now there are some equivalent medical procedures, but put those relative rarities aside.) I thought that being paid money in exchange for sexual intercourse was illegal. Have I not been paying attention? Did I miss some legal reform enacted during the Clinton administration?

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Jamie Robinson, Naugatuck,Ct — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:10:11 GMT

My name is Jamie Robinson. I'm a freshman student at Virginia State University. I am the middle child of three. My mother is a single working parent raised three children plus a grandchild. My mom educated herself receiving a BS degree. I know she work's hard everyday living on one income-no child support. She has exhausted her finances and credit by robbing peter to pay paul. I desparately would like to continue my education at VSU. I will have to leave college 12/8/07 because I owe over 7,000 dollars. I did not work during elementary-highschool. I made positive choices with my life. I chose school and sports over drugs and alocohol. I desparately want to continue my education at VSU and cannot get anyone to assist financially. Please Help Me To Continue My Education at VSU!!!!!

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Jamie Robinson, Naugatuck,Ct — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:11:22 GMT

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Jamie Robinson, Naugatuck,Ct — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:11:50 GMT

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joan brink eatonville wa — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:07:37 GMT

Well lets see..Kids get full scholarships (free rides) for college if they happen to be a good or better football player regardless of whether or not their parents could actually afford to pay for college. On the other end, Financial Aid is supposed to help all the other kids get there. The problem is that fianancial aid is tyed to the parents income for the PREVIOUS year so if mommy and daddy made a penny or two too much, child cannot get financial aid. So why not fix it so if the parents can well afford to pay for college, child is not eligible to apply for or receive a scholarship. Base it on parents ability to pay rather than on the fact kid is a good athelete. That would free up some scholarships for other kids and then let fianacial aid BE financial aid. It shouldn't be based on what mommy and daddy made the PREVIOUS YEAR but on what they are making at the time. Since they base financial aid on what the parents had in income, they should base scholarships the same way.

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June13 Ia. — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 01:28:53 GMT

you know im so sick and tired of all the complainers it is just afull.It dosnt matter what Hillary says it is never right in anyones eyes as i see it reading here. You all negative jerks cant you even give her a chance without all this critizem your handing out?

The way i see it is this.... all your guys complaining about how this is crazy,it wont work, she'll forget it if elected just ticks me off. You would complain no matter what just for the simple idea thats all you know how to do best.
You dont even want to see any positive side of this at all. Im sure if she handed you a $1000 bill youd question that also or find some reason to complain about it. And maybe ask for more. The most of you cant see the forrest for the trees and would cut off your nose in spite of your face. So elect some other idiot who will be the next president and go thru another 4-8 years of stupidity . All of you are a glutton for punishment the way i see it. then you can listen to each other and complain how bad you have it.

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Diego Chick — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:26:39 GMT

Wow!!! Wow!! Imagine something that sounds a tiny bit positive about Clinton, as opposed to the dark doom saying tones of previous First Reads. I guess we should all believe in this concept of "Change"