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..::Eddie::.. Atlanta, GA — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:10:16 GMT

The horse-race dynamic of the primary has led the media to crown winners long before the first vote has even been cast.

Clinton & Giuliani hasn't won the nominations. With over 100 days before Iowa, the race continues. Let's hope that people remain open minded. Every candidate has much more to say on the issues that matter to America.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:10:20 GMT

Once again, First Read shows it's BIAS by not telling you the whole story.
While Congress' overall approval rating is at 27%....A U.S.A. Today / Gallup Poll shows CONGRESSIONAL DEMOCRATS approval rating is at 51%.
Please tell the full story, it is very important for people to know the TRUTH.

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Toris — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:10:29 GMT

The more i read you guys gabbage the more i think MSNBC is worse than FOX News. This is what i called most irresponsible reporting. What an idiots!

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work two jobs, sometimes three to make a living — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:11:14 GMT

voters still know little about the candidates

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Democrat from the democratic wing of the party — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:17:10 GMT

Domenico Montanaro revealed he is no less of an Edwards hater than Chuck Todd. You guys suck. No more shilling for the Clinton campaign. You didn't even mention Edwards, but the report did. Also nowhere in the report did it say that Clinton was commanding the lead. You may be able to trick the American people but the democrats from the democratic wing of the party realize what tools you are. Another day, another Washington reporter reveals they have no soul.

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RH Oregon — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:19:02 GMT

--A just released CBS News survey shows that job approval rating for the Democratic-controlled Congress is at 27% which is 6% BELOW the President’s job approval rating.

Ha Ha. The American people have spoken. You guys stink. And you don't fool us. Nor do you even speak for us. The weak-wristed liberal fops on this blog can live in thier dilusional world all they want. America does not and won't ever live there.

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Ann — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:23:19 GMT

Yes and this group was polling Dean as the front runner in Jan 2004. Enough with the Beltway insiders.

http://www.lombardoconsultinggroup.com/news/lcg-poll-press-release-jan13-04.pdf

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Shadow, Hamden, CT — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:27:14 GMT

I wonder what to believe about Obama's relevancy, his biggest crowd ever (24,000) despite being in HRC's backyard, or some DC based consulting group.

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Amy B Portland, ME — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:27:48 GMT

The Lombardo Group is irrelevant.

Sounds like the same geniuses who brought us "Iraq is in the last throes of the insurgency...Iraq oil will pay for the war...The Republicans will hold onto Congress..."

Come to think of it, what is the track record for this group?

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Sierra, SF — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:44:16 GMT

If the Lombardo Group had said that Obama and Edwards were strong contenders, would First Read have publicized their results ?

Just curious...

There are probably hundreds of 'consulting groups'
and you guys 'just happened' to pick the one touting Hillary.....

Hey !! next ime pick the Sierra Consulting Group !!
Our rates are 'reasonable' and our research indicates that Obama/Edwards will be the winning ticket in 2008.

Now, that'll be $250,000 in unmarked bills
(I'm giving you the First Read discount)

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squintz, philly, pa — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:45:36 GMT

Um, fellas, how come you JUST added the Obama line? Too much rosy Obama press today for your liking?

Seriously, when this post first went up today, his name wasn't there.

Fellas, its Friday, we have time to see what you're doing!

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Amy B Portland, ME — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:47:43 GMT

It just dawned on me that Chuck Todd is the new Karl Rove. Maybe he's trying to help Obama by lowering our expectations for Barack and also by frightening us with the idea that Hillary has it sewn up. I feel galvanized to show support for Obama and Edwards, how about you?

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GAB, Austin, TX — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:02:56 GMT

RH you are such a hater. I dont know what happened in your life to make you such an angry, hateful human being!~ LMAO

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sonya, atlanta, ga — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:08:48 GMT

What crack are you smoking Chuck? Obama losing revelancy- please. You and your washington pundits need to go hang out with Georgie in the WH, because you all are delusional. I'm supposed to believe the same polls that couldn't accurately predict Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004. Chuck, get a clue or a new job.

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CALVIN, GREENVILLE SC — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:15:05 GMT

WITH CLINTON AHEAD IN SEEMINGLY ALL POLLS, I WONDER IF SHE WAS ABLE TO GET OVER 24,000 PEOPLE TO COME TO HER RALLY LIKE THE IRRELEVANT OBAMA! I THINK THE CONSISTANT USE OF POLLING NUMBERS IS A PLOY TO CONDITION PEOPLE TO THINK SHE HAS A COMMANDING LEAD. AT BEST SHE IS AT 41%(THAT ONLY 4 OUT OF 10!), THAT LEAVES A GREAT MAJORITY(6 OUT OF 10) UNWILLING TO SUPPORT HER! NUMBERS ALWAYS TELL MORE THAN ONE STORY.

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Abraham, SF, CA — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:28:28 GMT

There is in this analysis something chocking, Hilary and losing but the voters know little about the candidats. Todd, I am more and more disappointed about first read. I think good journalism requires critical thinking. Unfortunatelly, I am seeing more and more the crowning of the queen and the king before the people voted. Good luck with that. If there is anything about poll is the Dean and Kerry prediction in 2003 and 2004.

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Tuck, realityville, kansas — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:29:09 GMT

lets see, the nyc cops said obama's crowd was under 10K,,,, now wehave a pro obamaite telling us it was 24K...

geez

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Tsongas Democrat — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:29:18 GMT

Amen, Calvin!!! Where DO they get these polling numbers? I've a lot of friends and family - spread from the Midwest to Texas to No. Cal.- many politically active - yet no one has ever been contacted by a pollster. Maybe that's because these brilliant pollsters psychically know that - despite diverse ages/races/priorities - only three out of about 30 people I know are supporting Clinton (all because they want Bill back in the WH). Only one Clinton supporter is female. The rest are uncommitted but vociferously agree that they do NOT want to see Clinton as the candidate.

Has anybody here ever been contacted by a pollster?

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PDM — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:31:45 GMT

I agree with the foolishness of questioning Obama's relevancy--and it seems especially absurd coming not one day after he drew a crowd of 24,000 people right in HRC's backyard. HRC may yet win the nomination, but give me a break, the campaign hasn't really even started in earnest yet and Obama has boatloads of money to spend. No one knows how it's going to turn out in the end. Anyone who claims to know, or trusts the silly LGC report referenced above, is just deluding themselves.

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Tom Brennan — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:34:17 GMT

Domenico, it's Tom Brennan from your previous employment -- I know you're a smart guy and I know you're a fair reporter, but I have to say with the 25,000 people who showed up to see Obama speak yesterday at Washington Square Park -- I'm not saying he'll necessarily be an upset winner, but I think it's a bit out of place to say his campaign has become irrelevant.

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CitizenJ — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:37:53 GMT

If there was a lack of evidence with regards to the ignorance with which First Read posts articles, that burden has been sufficiently and overwhelmingly met with this one.

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Bruce, NV — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:40:18 GMT

I laugh at you Democratic partisans. Chuck Todd as Karl Rove? oo boy, that's a good one.

Everyday, I read something on here critical of Sen. Clinton. Everyday some Clintonian claims bias. Everday I read something on here critical of Sen. Obama. Everyday some Obamite claims bias.

This blog isn't for or against anyone; everyone of the 35 or 40 (or so it seems) candidates running for president has things that can be praised and things that can be criticized. First Read is a damn sight better at this than Politico is.

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Dr. Karl Kettler — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:40:18 GMT

What does it matter! Instead of maintaining a white European nationalistic superiority that would have excelled in every cultural, scientific, political,military endeavor and the envy of the rest of the world the U.S. is instead rapidly moving toward a low-life mongrel culture that will eventually tear itself to shreds leaving behind but a memory of past glories. It is but amatter of time!

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RBShea, Rochester NY — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:43:52 GMT

First time for First Read.
Who are you clowns? What axes do you grind and who for?
Your relevance to anything but Inside Baseball..oops, Inside the Washington Beltway...seems scant.
Guess MSNBC needs its own flavor of Faux Noise.

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Kelan Ritchie, Davenport Iowa — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:46:14 GMT

Media outlets like this are just as much the problem with American Politics as anything else. Obama just had 24,000 supports show up to a rally in NYC and this outlet opens with his revelency? That's not only an insult to Obama, but it also insults the 24,000 people who showed up that night. Just becaue he won't run a smear campaign agains Hillary, it obviously frustrates the synics on MSNBC. Obama is a candidate none of you old school political pundits understand, and you obviously don't know how to deal with him. And instead of celebrating the fact that he's stayed above the fray by holding himself to a higher standard, Matthews, Carlson, Buchanan and whatever other pundits on MSNBC ridicule him for not stooping to that kind of dirty politics. Shame on MSNBC for that. You can almost see the saliva building on the sides of Cris Matthews' mouth leading up to the Democratic debate on Wednesday hoping that Barack would mud-sling against the other candidates. And again, shame on you for trying to facilitate such a poor attitude and example for our elected officials. "Making you affraid of it, and telling you who's to blame for it. That is how you win elections." A movie quoted that fits perfectly here. And you all are feeding at the same troth in this issue. Well, all except Barack. It's going to hilarious if this guy gets the nomination because it will confirm what I already know, and that is as much as Barack campaigns for a new kind of politics, we also need a new kind of political journalist and media personality to report on it.

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Disappointed — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:47:07 GMT

Don't you guys see. This is a calculated move by MSNBC against Obama. They know damage is done by just putting this statement in the publics mind. Trust me it will continue on the nightly shows and on Sunday. No matter what we write in defense of Obama its not going to matter. They want to destroy him over the last debate.

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nuanced — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:49:35 GMT

"Democratic-controlled Congress" -- you've got to be joking. What is your definition of control? It would be more accurate to say Democratic majority congress.

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Diane, Kansas City, Kansas — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:54:22 GMT

I think by this message, you want us to think HRC is the winner. I think the really smart people are just letting her think she is going to win - wouldn't that really tick her off to find out she has lost the nomination? I agree - Obama and Edwards for '08.

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nuanced — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:56:34 GMT

I followed the link. The survey question was:
Do you approve or disapprove of
the way the U.S. Congress is
doing its job?
It did not ask for the approval of the "Democratic-controlled congress". Democrats do not control congress; they don't even have a filibuster proof majority much less a veto proof majority. Clearly some biased reporting here attempting to shift the blame from the President's control of congress.

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JIrby, Colorado — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:58:32 GMT

Why are the Repub primary voters more satisfied with their candidates than they were in July? What changed? They're the same old stodgy, boorish bunch, whose ideas for any change embrace the caretaker mentality of petrified institutions committed to the law of the Republican party line, i.e., money runs uphill, crap runs downhill. Did the candidates run themselves through a car wash and then get themselves psychoanalyzed? Did they become born again Christians? If nothing changed with the candidates, then why did the voters just willy-nilly change their opinions of them? That raw statistic doesn't tell us much about the voters. We know that typically Republican voters hail from the lower tiers of the IQ scale, many of them still hanging on to the notion that voting for Bush was a good idea. Then are they also the ones most likely to do the same things over and over again and expect different outcomes each time - [the definition of insanity for those unschooled in psychobabble]. The least stupid half of the Bush voter base jumped ship quite a while ago, leaving them with the dregs of humanity, about a half dozen of whom haunt this blog daily, attempting to impress the rest of us with their daily brainwashing from watching FOX News.

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DG, LA, CA — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:59:29 GMT

If Obama's candidacy is so irrelevant, how come 25,000 people went to see him in NYC? How come he has record numbers of people donating to his campaign?

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RH Oregon — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:01:27 GMT

I don't know/care GAB. What makes all the liberals and hedonistic rabble of this country such angry haters of God loving, good moraled religious people? For the most part anymore, they ignore you. The "advancement" in social codes makes discrimination criminal. People always have and always will be discrimintory towards others that are not in thier group of course. But for the most part you can do as you will. Have public sex at naked fetish parades in San Fran. Go into the military, run for PONTUS. So since your so free, why is your group such angry haters of the rest of us? I see homo's as bigger bigots of hetro's then the other way around. Point of view I guess.

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Disappointed — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:03:57 GMT

MSNBC IS saying Obama is irrelevant. DO they feel Obama supporters are irrelevant too? They must by putting this out. If we are irrelevant why do we continue to watch your news broadcast. Imagine if all the Obama supporters decided MSNBC is irrelevant and tuned out!

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End This War — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:04:11 GMT

NO MORE BUSHS/CLINTONS................End This War!!
NO MORE REPUBLICANS/CLINTONS..........End This War!!

GO OBAMA/EDWARDS '08

NO MORE BUSHS/CLINTONS................End This War!!
NO MORE REPUBLICANS/CLINTONS..........End This War!!

GO OBAMA/EDWARDS '08

YES, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE POSTED A BUNCH OF OBAMA PRESS TODAY.
WHAT IS IT LIKE TO LIVE WHERE YOU ARE, ARE THE CLINTONS PAYING YOU GUYS TO POST THIS CRAP?
YOU GUYS ARE NO BETTER THAN SHE IS.......

IS IT BECAUSE THAT OBAMA HAS ACTUALLY GAINED ON HRC?
NOT TO MENTION THE RALLY THAT WAS HELD IN HER SENATE STATE. SHE COULDN`T BRING THAT BIG OF A CROWD TOGETHER IF SHE PAID PEOPLE TO COME.

YOU GUYS SUCK, YOU DON`T HAVE A CLUE AS WHAT TO DO BUT TO PUSH HRC ON US AND GUESS WHAT GUYS WE ARE NOT BUYING IT.

NO MORE BUSHS/CLINTONS................End This War!!
NO MORE REPUBLICANS/CLINTONS..........End This War!!

GO OBAMA/EDWARDS '08

NO MORE BUSHS/CLINTONS................End This War!!
NO MORE REPUBLICANS/CLINTONS..........End This War!!

GO OBAMA/EDWARDS '08

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nuanced — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:16:14 GMT

I've always like First Read and thought you did a good job on balance but this one might require a retraction. Quote "Some bullet points from LCG’s report:" All of the heat being generated is over those bullet points. I followed the link and checked out all 22 pages of the report and could not find the bullet points. I suspect the bullet points came from First Read and not the report. If so, the quote was misleading and there was quite a bit of extrapolation going on.

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Justin, Seattle, Wash — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:19:20 GMT

I always laugh reading these posts. I would have assumed that correct spelling and punctuation would stand among liberal values. Must have been Bush screwing up the education system... though I would assume you were all out of school by then. Ah! Reagan! Right, sorry.

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nuanced — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:22:02 GMT

I think you answered your own question JIrby. More of them wise-up and jumped ship and that left behind (pun intended) a higher percentage of satisfied.

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Germany — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:24:57 GMT

Sorry, you are all stupid fools.
Whoever trust your pitiable media has understood nothing at all.
Hands up from Europe!

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Stu, Saginaw, MI — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:27:33 GMT

I really don't agree with most of the above commentators have to say. On the other hand, I truly believe that the First Read staff REALLY is trying to create close races out of obvious runaways like Clinton v. Obama and trying hard to make Edwards relevant. Similarly, you folks at First Read are trying hard to get McCain back to relevancy.

Especially Mr Todd--you were much more objective at the National Journal.

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Nick, New Jersey — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:35:19 GMT

Obama is a racist. He has made detrimental comments toward Indians. As an Indian-American I am glad he is losing. I will do anything in my power to help make this dude lose.

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jt harrold — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:39:52 GMT

David shuster and Chris matthews just said that obama only had 15,000 at his rally in NY.. gee the NYTimes and every news outlet pegged the crowd at 24,000... wonder why MSNBC is mis-stating the size of the crowd by 40%? Try to report facts, please, if you consider yourself an actual news organization.

Obama is gathering steam and will roll come january.

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Lee Holmes — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:46:27 GMT

Jirby:We ''know''? How do ''we'' know this? Elaborate.[with citation coming from at least three of four sources including but not restricted to:

The Menninger Institute
The American Psychiatric Assn.
The American Psychological Assn.
MENSA

We may as well point out here that [US Dept.of Education,May,2006]that the state awarding the highest numbers per capita of bachelors-above degrees including the nations top leader in heart disease research[the founder of the JARVIK-7 artificial heart hails from its state university hospital],is Utah. A virtual Republican Ground Zero. FOX,the New York Times,NEWSWEEK,Olberman,what is the differance,other than there not being any?

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eSPO — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:47:29 GMT

This is a right wing rag, its all you have here. By the way Cheney is at a "top secret" right wing meeting in Salt lake City this weekend. Mitts in town but they won`t meet ? yeah right.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Cheney_to_address_top_secret_conservative_0928.html
The Neocons are all meeting to see how they can manipulate the media and refute the truth that they are morally bankrupt and in trouble.

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GN Lars — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:48:20 GMT

Tuck is right about the 24,000 number for Obama. As I read the article about it the statement was that they "expected" 24,000 and that the square had people clear to it's edges but that's because they were standing "outside" the fence bounderies, due to the security issue. Once security opened up and let them all in, they did NOT fill the square.

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GN Lars, Denver, CO — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:51:15 GMT

JIrby - I wonder if they're more satisfied because they've finally decided what their choices are going to be. They were holding out waiting for the "big fella" to finally stumble into the race and he really didn't bring much with him.

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eSPO — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:52:52 GMT

One more thing. Here is what the front page of the Lombardo Groups website says.
"LCG is a market research and communications consulting agency that provides strategic guidance through innovative research techniques, proven methodologies and strong multi-industry experience.

We provide brand positioning, crisis management and image advertising development research and counsel for our corporate clients.

We provide message development and attitudinal research for trade associations and non-profits that face difficult public policy issues.

We provide voter perception and candidate image-mapping to help our political clients win elections."

Obviously this site is working in conjunction with them to influence YOUR PERCEPTION.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:55:34 GMT

Hey Chuck and D-

Welcome to the club! I don't feel so alone today. Thanks.

Van

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d rogers — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:55:51 GMT

It does not matter who the Republicans nominate, that person will lose. Because all the GOP has to offer is fear, ignorance, bigotry and more fear and the country is finally getting tired of this. There is not one Republican candidate worthy of running for dog catcher let alone president

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Potential Suicidal Cub Fan, AZ — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:56:47 GMT

Hey your guys, the real races are being played out this weekend on the professional baseball diamonds. Screw politics for a weekend and watch some races where polls don't count. This is exciting stuff. As the great American philospher, Yogi Berra said "It ain't over 'til it's over." Truer words spoken by a true genius.

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Bruce, NV — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:01:09 GMT

Ah, yes, Mr. JIrby from Colorado once again trotting out the tired cliche about Republicans being stupid.
And Mr. Nuanced again proving the most ironical name on the blogs. At least you mustn't be so stupid to actually believe that MSNBC, home of Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann, is part of some rightist cabal?

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pab, ozark, al — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:04:46 GMT

As much money as Barack Obama is raising, the big crowds he always draws there's no way his campaign is becoming irrelevant. No matter how much people like Craig Crawford wish it so. He will always have my support. Of course with Crawford's southern drawl I am not surprised he wants Obama to go down in flames.

Scarbouough always says Barrack can't come from the state legislature and have enough experience to be President, well Barack was much smarter than Scarborough, Barrack opposed the Iraq war, you were all for it. And morning joe, Rudy was only a big city mayor, so why aren't you talking about his lack of experience. OH! I almost forgot, you are a southern belle yourself. Look, you two good ole boys, not every white voter in this country thinks like you two do. The voters I speak of here can look past skin color, and pick pick the best person regradless of color.

Call me names Monday morning on you show, Scarborough, thats what you always do to people who make more sense than you do. And stop being so jealous of Keith Oldbermann, it's not his fault he makes more money than you. And, that you are a closed minded right winger, that couldn't generate the ratings to stay in primetime.

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Don, Sammamish, WA — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:04:49 GMT

If this were the only example of the media's attempt to crown Hillary before the votes are cast, I might overlook it. But we do an enormous disservice to this process with this constant spew of disinformation.

In reality, the public is just beginning to learn about these candidates. The beltway/consultant perspective is in a profound state of disconnect from the general public. Get your noses out of your charts and listen to people. Stop offering multiple choice questions, and find out what's in our minds.

I suppose I'm asking too much from the architects of sound byte democracy and demographic ethical standards. But you may want to reflect on the urgent tone of our questions, and try to shoulder just some of the task assigned to you to find answers.

Barack Obama will see crowds all across this nation like the one in Manhattan this week. He will win this nomination, and the Presidency, with or without help from you and LCG.

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Ashe, SF CA — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:07:56 GMT

What's losing relevancy on a daily basis is the Media. The MSM destroyed VP Gore's character in 2000 by labelling him a "liar". Then in 2004, the media conspired in the character assasination of Sen. Kerry by questioning his valor in Vietnam, as well as labelling him a "flip-flopper." Now, the media has set its sight on destroying Barack Obama. It's truly a shame when one has to turn to Hannity & Colmes on FOX to get balanced coverage on the Dem. presidential race. Here at MSN and CNN it's all Hillary. Disgusting to say the least!

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Steven, KDH, N.C. — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:10:28 GMT

Hey Chuck...find a new job. You suck at this one. Why is Barack irrelevant just because he won't sling mud the way you want him to? Why are you people so against this man? Because he doesn't give you enough soundbites? Or is it because the same corporate money that controls MSNBC also contributes to Hillary? The same money Barack wouldn't take. Thank God he's not like Hillary! I know MSNBC has lost alot of ratings, but do you really think you're gonna get your viewers back by putting garbage out like this. You guys seriously suck. If your so sure Hillary is gonna win Chuck, why not stake your job on it. Make it interesting, cause we know for the next 3 months you're gonna be shoving Hillary down our throats whether she screws up or not. And we know you're gonna misquote, chastise, belittle Barack as much as possible as well. So whaddya say there Chuck. Put your money where your mouth is!! And after it's all over, please let me be the first blogger to bid you good day and happy job hunting.

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Matt Moberg, Wake Forest, North Carolina — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:12:30 GMT

It is great that people are using technology to be involved with the political process. However, all the posts on this page are forgeting one fact: There is no way to predict anything on this race until it matters. Do some researching and look at other early predictions in former races. They aren't even accidentally close. When we starting getting into 2008, then you can take accurate soundings. Right now, it is all just news fodder.

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Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:14:53 GMT

Bush sucks.

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Larry, MD — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:18:35 GMT

Obama losing relevancy? Is MSNBC part of the Clinton campign now?

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Rick Lapin, Albuquerque, NM — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:34:58 GMT

Amy B --

Naw, Chuck & Co. are jes' apple-polishin' -- y'know, like third-graders waving their hands in the air an' yowlin' "Me, teacher ... call on ME!!!" -- 'case them folks from the Clinton campaign was serious when they tol' 'em that Hillary "really likes the idea" of Chuck Todd as her Press Secretary.

Better get it in writing Chuck -- well in advance and triple-notarized. Plenty of would-be Head Liars in line for that spot with the next Puppet-in-Chief ... all of 'em spinnin' theyse'f stupid an' humpin' t'please ... an' every last one of 'em's been hinted to jes' like you.

The Big Con (in case you haven't been notified) always plays on that for which the con-ee salivates most breathlessly ...

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MD — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:44:23 GMT

Chuck
Let me be honest.I have always held you in high regard touting you for non biased views.This time I dont know if the Hilary campaign sent in their tips or you simply got bullied. How come to prefer not to report Mr Obama's 24.000 man rally to instead write terrible unsubstantiated captions about Obama?

Oh Todd , you screwed up terribly!

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TERRIE — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:58:25 GMT

SO MANY OF THE COMMENTS SHOWN IN REFERENCE TO OBAMA ARE CORRECT. I WONDERED IF IT WAS JUST ME WHO WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT MSNBC WAS TRYING TO BATE BARACK OBAMA TO FIGHT WITH HRC AT THE DEBATE. I HOPED HE WOULD NOT FALL FOR THAT. THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH HIS RESPONSES! HE DID NOT LOSE THAT DEBATE. BARACK IF YOU READ THIS EMAIL STAY TRUE TO YOURSELF AND DON'T LET THE TALKING HEADS OR MSNBC INFLUENCE YOU. I WATCH MSNBC QUIET OFTEN BUT I MAY HAVE TO RETHINK THAT. WHEN I WATCH THE PROGRAMS SUCH AS HARDBALL AND THE COUNT DOWN, MY EXPECTATION IS THAT THEIR REPORTING WILL BE ACCURATE. I KNOW THAT EACH HOST HAS THEIR OWN BIAS BUT CHRIS AND KEITH WERE IN MY OPIONION TRUTHFUL. I WILL PAY MORE ATTENTION TO THAT NOW. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT SOME OF THE SUPPOSINGLY TALKING HEADS AND REPUTABLE HOST DON'T WANT AN AFRICAN AMERICAN FOR PRESIDENT IN THEIR HEART?

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Anna Fergerson — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:00:25 GMT

Please we do not need any more polls! Remember Dean? Where is he now?? Obama has just as much if not more to offer than the same-old, same-old. Let the people decide and let us see some fresh blood, fresh air, fresh ideas and fresh perspectives. The US really needs a change for the better and trying to trick us that some old pols can do it is doing all of us a disservice. Let's all start fresh and find someone fresh. Obama is the freshest of them all. The old hands of Washington have led us to where we are now. So people, let's make a good decision and help us get out of the same old hole. Those who keep on bragging about their "experience" are the same ones who have lead us to the dismal state we are in now.

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kk, NYC — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:04:07 GMT

I was at the NYC rally all the people here are talking about. I went with 5 of my friends. To Tell you, since we went there do not mean we are going to vote for him. We wanted to hear him out and I still lean towards HRC so does my friends. There could have been thousands like us there. Dont think that all 20000 or so who attended will vote for him. He has good policies to show but I still consider him green.

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Richard, Washington State — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:17:41 GMT

Nuanced: So why did Nancy Pelosi and a lot of frenzied Democrat bloggers claim some kind of mandate when they "won" the house and Senate? Were they so dense as to believe they wouldn't be subjected to the same rules and political machinations that they themselved practiced while in the minority? They were excellent teachers!

No kidding that they don't have "control". Kind of a big "duh" if you ask me.

But of course Republicans had too much "control" with similar non-filibuster-proof majorities, huh?

I have no doubt that when the Democrats win the presidency in 2008 to go along with their majorities in the house and senate, suddenly such control will be the natural reward of the voters' decision, a validation, if you will, that such control is benign and benevolent in the hands of Democrats. Even if the margin is 51-49%.

JIrby: Have you noticed that your thinking as it regards Republicans closely parallels that of the 3/5'ers in the Dred Scott decision, Jimmy the Greek and most adherents to the National Socialist party of Germany in the 30's and 40's? Just thought you'd like to know. I'm sure you have no intention of classifying indiscriminately a whole group of people as mentally deficient and sub-human.

And the only difference between you and me in terms of brainwashing is what detergent we use, assuming you ever wash at all.

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Anne — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:29:08 GMT

I am SO fed up with this notion that HRC is the ordained nominee. She cannot win a general election, simply cannot. I think an Edwards/Obama ticket or an Edwards/Biden ticket would rock.

John Edwards has come out before all the candidates on all the major issues, and has, in effect, driven much of the policies of the others. Yet, the MSM continues to ignore his candidacy. After the debate he was getting great buzz, but the next day it was back to Hillary this, Hillary that, blah, blah, blah, blah.

I am a woman, a staunch progressive Democrat, and refuse to vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. I cannot do it; I would have to compromise myself too much. And, unfortunately, too many Dems are pimping and whoring for Hillary.

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Bob, Denver — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:42:17 GMT

Is it the nearly 500,000 individual contributors that Obama will announce after Sunday that makes his campaign irrelevant??? This is one of the most pathetic postings I've seen to date on First Read. God, I wish I could place money on his campaign, I'd be rich(er).

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Appreciable — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:49:25 GMT

We, Obama supporters, appreciate the info you graciously give on a daily basis of how well other presidential candidates are doing. You may feel this strategy is working for you----think again. Again, thank you for assisting us.

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Mariann Pepitone — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:50:02 GMT

Obama is lucky if he could draw 3000 people let alone 20,000 to 25,000. Those numbers are estimated high to make voters think that Obama draws more crowds than Hillary. Not so. The true estimate is around 2500 to 3000 no matter what state he would campaign in. He's getting desperate to beat Hillary and it shows. Edwards is in the same situation. Both would like her to drop out of the race but that's not going to happen. Neither Edwards or Obama are going to become president in 2008 or later. They just don't have that kind of intelligence. I cannot imagine either one of them discussing matters with world leaders. Are you kidding? This country is in a mess now, we don't need to go down under. Hillary will win the nomination and go on to challenge the republican nominee.

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Sam W., Portland, OR — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:59:07 GMT

Like Clinton, unbelievable. 'First Read' is an unprofessional, biased, irrelevent site and should be ignored. Like so many past blog articles, Domenico's silly article, characterizes the political mindset of mainstream media.

Maybe someday FR will become relevent, but until then, readers, we can stop visiting this silly website. That's what I'm going to do. I'll get my on-line politics elsewhere. Adios.

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ChiggersRBad, PA — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:02:18 GMT

Obama is out of his league right now, even his home town thought so when they initially denied him the House of Representatives. He had to side step the people to get the Senate seat. Dag, Hillary won a seat in a state that wasn't even hers, that is a person I call relavent.

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Storm — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:18:49 GMT

I think that Congress' poor rating goes back to the "good ole Repug" days. The Dems have held Congress for only 10 months, now who is this rating really about?

Oh btw, Kelan Ritchie of Davenport Iowa, 24,000 out of a possible 10 million voters in NYC is irrelevant..

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Pam Orange County, CA — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:19:10 GMT

I have never sent a blog before, but have been tempted. I went to an Edwards rally this summer that almost didn't get any coverage, and there were over 15,000 people there! I was one of them..All I ever hear about is Hillary and Obama, mostly Hillary, and I am beginning to agree..something sure seems fishy here. It seems like the media really wants you to think she is the one, never was into conspiracy theories before, but there is just too much evidence to the contrary..kinda like how Bush was untouchable until this last year when he dropped so dramatically in the polls and the Democrats won the House and senate. I find VERY few people who will actually vote for her and am so afraid we will give the primary to someone who is not electible..

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Jeff G. — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:30:33 GMT

The pundits predicting a Hillary win have a vested interested in seeing her win. She maintains the status quo. The kind of post-partisan change that Barack represents, on the other hand, scares them to no end; their little inside-the-beltway world will be turned upside down - no more scandals to cover, no more phony pre-war intelligence to buy hook, line and sinker ... just government doing what government should do: working for the people.

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Joe, SF, CA — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:30:46 GMT

Great! Great and well done Kelan Ritchie, Davenport Iowa. Thank you so very much for both your observations of the way MSNBC reports and trys to portray Barack and for expressing your mind so clearly. Yes, it's very true the art and sceince of journalism, especially political, needs total overhaul. I wonder what some of those guys feed on! I wonder whose interest they represent! Is this really the time to incite and agitate for personal attacks? Should such a thing even ever be craved for? It really beats one's understaning. However Chris and the-like ought know that the poeple of America know better and deserve better. Even more than that, some politicians, Barack in particular, won't stoop to your level of reasoning of the luck thereof. Finally, the negative reporting against Barack cannot change the facks on ground for this is a revolution. Yes, it's a revolution in the politics of America and it's innevitable! Last night's 24,000+ turn-out ought wake you out of your slumber.

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal NY — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:32:14 GMT

To Michael Bever of Claremont California - thanks.
To everyone and Mike, but especially the Clinton supporters, you just have to get this. It's not a disputable idea, it's a belief, like a Kirkegaardian leap of faith. I just cannot support Hillary for president. I can't and won't vote for her if she is coronated. If she is the Democratic nominee, I'll either sit out the general election (something that I have never done) or vote for a third party candidate (something that I think is potentially dangerous). I won't be muscled by the power elite. I'm passive aggressive enough to say 'no' if I feel that something is being foisted upon me and I do feel that her candidacy has a dynastic quality (perhaps amplified by the election of the incompetent nepot of the first President Bush) with a sense of entitlement about it. I feel that her whole set up, the running for Senate from NY as a carpetbagger after being first lady, is too much of an orchestrated play for power; it seems to run contrary to the democratic (small 'd') principles of this nation. I know that all persons who run for the presidency must have a great deal of ambition but this rings of Eva Peron (I laughed today when she proposed giving $5,000 to every new born).

Her votes in the senate, first for the authorization of force in Iraq and then against the oversight of the Levin amendment were so lacking in principle that they cried of ingenuous triangulation. Her vote (on Wednesday) for the Leiberman/Kyl amendment calling the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization (tantamount to an authorization for war as far as this cowboy president and his o.k. corral are concerned) shows that in 5 years, she still hasn't learned anything about dealing with GWB. Judgment?

And what about her ties to Corporate America and the questionable contributions to both her campaign and the Clinton Foundation? I'm not against rich people; I wouldn't mind having some money myself. However I believe more strongly in the concept of social mobility. Social mobility is at the heart of the American experience. But if wealthy special interests rig the game then social mobility dies. I feel that those complicit with the rigging of the game have no claim to the Democratic nomination. The Republicans in office want her to lead the Democratic ticket because not only is she is the one Democrat without coat-tails but she is the Democrat who will best represent their interests.

I don't hate Senator Clinton. In fact I think that she has done some remarkable things. In addition to work on the Watergate Committee, work for legal aid and her good service to this country as first lady, she has succeeded more than any woman in breaking the glass ceiling. But in spite of her accomplishments the above mentioned faults so severely mitigate the positives, that I must vehemently oppose her run for the White House.

It seems that as of last night, Obama in NYC, (who is on the right side of the issues which I consider important) started to take his shots. He may be starting to realize that the audacity of hope, the desire to elevate politics to a higher level, doesn't negate a high spirited debate. Obama has to clearly differentiate himself from Hillary, he has to forcefully take the lead in order to mobilize the ground swell of Democrats (60%) who do not want Hillary to lead the ticket. I am looking forward to it.
Obama '08 (still)

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Jack Smith — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:36:56 GMT

Domenico Montanaro i am no Barack supporter but you are a sick son of a dog. I thought you guys are to be fair to all candidates. You arenot different from rush limbuau or Bill Oreilly ori should just call you a pig. Do you have a son or daughter of voting age who will believe that headline? It is very shameful on your part. But wait, i guess you get paid per click to put up such an empty story. Where is your conscience you bastered? Do you have anything to support that headline?

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Jack Smith — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:37:17 GMT

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jack Walsh — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:40:48 GMT

The authurof this Headline is nothing but a pig

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Dot, Illinois — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:41:19 GMT

How can you say that Obama's campaign is becoming irrelevant with each passing day? This is September--we have had no state primaries at yet. Please, let voters hear from all the candidates and make up their minds at the appropriate time.

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diane — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:55:08 GMT

I don't call 24,000 in Hillary's back yard as being irrelavant.
I also would point you to Glenn Greenwald who says the polls are not always what they seem concidering all the clintonista influence in them.
I know how much the press is working overtime to try to derail Obama and make it seem like he is an after thought and that there is no way to beat your beloved Hillary but, in truth, the witch is hated by democrats as much as republicans.

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David Brugger, Fairview, PA — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:20:56 GMT

I think a disapproval rating of Congress (and the President) would be more relevant than an approval rating. There are many people who just don't care, people who approve, and some who approve. It is so easy to lie with statistics to twist the meaning of the results. I pole should only be acceptable if the exact wording of the questions, and the order in which the questions are asked, are revealed.

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Michael J. LeBeau.Phoenix,Az. — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:20:57 GMT

Be calm, be patient, OBAMA will win Iowa and roll from there.
Then the pundits will have "A BRAND NEW STORY!"
Oh, what fun---"A BRAND NEW STORY!"

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Ken Collins/Wagoner, Oklahoma — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:34:17 GMT

Amy B. your right, I cannot believe how the news media have started campaigning for Bill and Hillary.
MSMBC IS THE WORST a station I use to watch NOT NOW.
MSNBC HOLD ON TO HILLARY BUT YOU WILL Come in second
YOUR BRAIN WASHING AIN'T GONNA WORK !!!OBAMA FOR PRES !!!!!

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Louis simpson — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:34:38 GMT

I think that Chuck you need to return to journalist
roots. It is obvious that you are a bright man.
I suggest that you be a little more objective.
When 24000 people attend an event and listen to
a politican that person is revelant.

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threeriverscrossing, Raleigh, North Carolina — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:07:05 GMT

This kind of journalism is typical of the power of the press in our culture, passing judgement before all the facts are in. What the press calls political analysis is nothing more than a form of subtlety and remotely influencing the conventional wisdom of the day, with the objective to gain or retain readership the next day. Fair enough, the press is a business. In the defense of the press, it is true, individuals are intelligent enough to evaluate a news story versus objective reporting of events of the day without the bias of the news story's reporter, editor or producer. The press and electronic medium is at its foundation, a "people business" that depends on relationships to build the business and creditability for their news stories. Far too often, the picture is edited too narrow in scope to understand the complexity of people and issues. Lastly, if the question of being relevant is to be asked, it then should be pointed at the press and electronic medium business and journalist, editors, and producers role in society and ethical communications. Case and point, the Bush administration's case to build public support to invade Iraq could have not happen with the help of the press... Please take no offense Tim Russert.

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Lizo, Englewood, NJ — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:58:12 GMT

Seems to me that the 'first four comments' are right on the money about the various degrees of media "BIAS".
What kills me is that, even though individually we see this bias, ultimately the media wins when it comes to 'forecasting', ('based on publicly available data'), election results, or even influencing the results of an election, by their "BIAS".
Why does the electorate allow itself to be led on like this? This happens major election after major election. The Florida/Ohio Presidential election fiasco, (Meet The Press Host), did not teach us anything.

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Lori Flahart, Ft. Wayne, IN — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:11:44 GMT

Obama would do himself well if he'd keep his wife out of the lime lite for awhile as to give it a rest. I believe she is a very smart and attractive woman and would make a great first lady, but she has to stop saying those silly things about how his kids feel about there daddy, she is making him look like he is on a short chain and can't think for himself..
Sush little lady don't say a word, papa's trying to run for president, don't mess it up for him at this point..

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Linda Powers, Waterloo, Iowa — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:22:03 GMT

As an Iowa Democrat, I am Sick to death with the media crowning Hillary the next president. Can it be that nobody remembers all the scandals she was involved in while first lady? People do change, but not that much. It is her sense of entiltlement that drives me over the edge. I really like all the democratic candidates except for Hillary. An Edwards/Obama would be magical and we could own the presidency for 16 years. Why doesn't the DNC like Edwards (heard that in the discussion after the debate Wednesday)?

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Brian, Wayne, PA — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:34:15 GMT

I think MSNBC is becoming irrelevant...

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Tony, New York, NY — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:35:35 GMT

with 24000 people at the rally last night, me being one of them, it is hard to fathom the disconnect that the Lombardi group has with the country. Furthermore, MSNBC is slowly lowering themselves to Rupert Murdoch's political media machine by feeing nonsense to Mr. John "voter" Doe

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Brian, Wayne, PA — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:43:04 GMT

Well, now I get it...Steve Lombardo, of Lombardo Consulting Group who put out this "study," is a Republican who has helped several Republicans get elected to public office. Everyone knows all the Republicans WANT HILLARY to be the nominee. For some reason, MSNBC also wants Hillary to be the nominee. This "study" means absolutely nothing. More propaganda. I'm ashamed of you, MSNBC, for publicizing such an irrelevant bunch of drivel...Especially with the opinion of Obama's candidacy as the headline. I suppose 24,000 people at a rally in New York is irrelevant? I suppose raising more money each and every quarter than ANY other candidate by FAR MORE supporters than ANY other candidate is irrelevant?? They pay you for this "analysis?"!!!

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Garys Phx Ariz — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:43:05 GMT

The Congress hands are tied, can't pass or do anything without a veto proof majority, the republicans make sure of that, and an idiot for a president, their rating should be zero, until bush joins papa bush, in the garbage can!

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Bernard, Scotch Plains, NJ — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:17:45 GMT

Wow, another Hillary Endorsement story, hmmmm I wonder is this because Obama is about to out raise her again or because 30,000 New Yorkers can see through bias Media stories like this one? The real news should be Murdoch finally comes clean and admits to buying out MSNBC.

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Stephanie, Nashville, TN — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:25:11 GMT

How can you say that Obama's campaign is losing relevancy?!?!? He just had 24,000 people come to see him in NYC!!!!!!!!!

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Wayne, Weare, NH — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:53:24 GMT

Saying Obama is becoming "less and less relevant each day" is being intellectually dishonest. Obama continues to draw the largest crowds, continues to outpace everyone in fundraising, and yet, these poll-obsessed pundits continue to declare Hillary the inevitable nominee? What? Am I missing something here? Because of a bunch of unreliable and premature polls (sampling like 300 to 500 people, none of whom have cell phones as their primary phone -- a huge demographic that is not being represented!) they think it's all done? Wow! How soon we forget what happened in the last presidential primary, when Howard Dean was waaaaaay ahead of everyone in the polls, and Kerry was barely a blip on radar, his campaign declared finished by most of the media. And who won the nomination? Oh, yeah -- John Kerry. Let's open our eyes and look at ALL factors before declaring who's ahead and who's trailing, and not just rely on the typically unreliable polls. The only poll that counts is the polling booth. Period.

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seriously concerned citizen USA — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 05:19:30 GMT

I saw the critique by you, Chuck Todd after the last debate. I would respect you alot more if you didn't treat this as a football game. This is the Presidency for God's sake. Can you please take this more seriously you guys. The reason we have George Bush in the white house today is that you guys weren't reporting the real news, or commenting on on what is relly important, like Paul Wolfowitz had written a document called "The New American Century" and along with his buddies Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, and this extreme right wing faction of the Republican Party planned to invade Iraq long before George Bush the cheerleader from Hanover became, "thank you" President of the United States!!!You're like a bunch of ski bum hotdogs with money to burn between semesters. Get Real!

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ben — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 05:34:24 GMT

Barack Obama has inspired me! He talks straight. He reminds me of the best professors I studied under at the University of California at Davis. Without his participation in the race the level of dialog would be only average. I want him for my president. I cannot say that about anyone else.
I think that there are thousands and thousands of voters who feel as I do. How can you imply then that Barack Obama is not relevant. Just the opposite. To imply that Barack Obama is not relevant is ignorant, hurful to the hopes of many, and ultimately without class.

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Ryan, WV — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 05:54:45 GMT

I love reading these articles everyday...."9 months", "6 months", "100 days" until the first voting...and what has happened? The republicans have shown they are in total dissarray, and Hillary Clinton has only become more liked, confident, and more formidable in the polls. If things are going to change, they would have shown some signs by now. I'm Hillary all the way, and I'm enjoying this ride.

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Don Lovett Chandler AZ — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 06:47:51 GMT

European nationlistic superiority or correctly put, stupidority, is what got this nation so screwed up & still going downhill.We need a definite change to upright this nation.I welcome change,we as a nation need it also.(Think of it as a diaper full of old dung!)CHANGE IT!!!Then toss it & get a fresh,new change!

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Wayne, Washington, DC — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:12:46 GMT

This is what some might call it a "hit-piece" on Obama! How on earth can someone say that his campaign is loosing relevancy where he demonstrated an ability to bring people in doves!

Shame on you MSNBC. Shame on you Chuck for allowing it to be posted. Shame on you Domenico for being utterly irresponsible.

The revolution will not be televised!

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Fitzroy, Ft Lauderdale Florida — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:40:37 GMT

Let me tell you straightup as a blackman. enjoy every
moment of Obama for now. Obama and Edwards supporters
consists of Hillary haters. Like it or not, I am glad
Hillary is a Democrat and not a Republican. Hillary
could switch party, run as Republican, and her poll
numbers would be the same. She would be the leading
Republican candidate. She would also beat every
Democrat including Obama and Edwards hands down. So
haters do you get the message. Dump this psedo candidate that the Replicans want to hammer in the
Presidential Elections. All the blackfolks wo want to
jump on the false bandwaggon, open your eyes. Remember, blacks did not end slavery. we were too powerless to do anything. It was the whiteman that
got us out. Give this white woman the chance to build
on her husband's legacy of helping blacks. Obama if
elected cannot build no bridges with this Redneck
Republican Senators or Representatives. If the
Republicans will not vote with white Democrats to
bring home the troops, healthcare, education, veterans benefits, and minimum wage, do you think they will vote hands down for this blackman. Obama
has peaked and the smart Democrats have seen it, even
his wife. Haters abandon obama now. Do not play game
with this election. There is too much at stake.

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Your Name Here — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:28:10 GMT

We are all at the crossroads of realizing what may have been and what unfortunately is truth. We no longer hold the fate of the country in individual hands. It is in the hands of the rich, the influential, the corporations, and the special interest groups.

Who is the best candidate for this next presidential election? Who knows. Its still too early to tell. Unfortunately, the waters are rife with disinformation, and really just trying to make the honest voter give up. Noone in power wants a smart voter. Its not in their best interest. They want everyone focused on Lyndsy Lohan, Paris Hilton, OJ, Britney (Leave Britney Alone you Bastards! Whhaaa!) Brad Pitt, random movie star 1, random movie star 2, random movie star 3.

We are all (myself included) --very stupid--.

Has it gone further than repairable?

Maybe, maybe nor.

I still have hope, but I am drowning in the sea of BS.

Love to all, and despite the pain, smile to your fellow man.

Only the best hopes for our one of a kind country.

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teneh — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:31:50 GMT

please somebody tell me who are those campaign analyst?. Have they seen all the supporters of all the candidate ? All they do is to analysis who's campagin is doing well or not. Why do they like to make their analysis on something that they think is right for them? and say or to say that this candidate is doing well and the others are not. The television survey does it ask all the voters that are registered to vote in both party who they are going to vote for? I don't think so. I don't blame former president Bush for caling them talking heads. When will they learn from their past prediction?f former president Clinton was counted out of the race for presidential race by those same anylist untill when he worn in newhampshire then they call him the comeback kid. I think that should be an exprience they should learn from before making some wrong comment or judment.

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Kurt, Paris, TN — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:51:27 GMT

The media do a disservice to the public with comments like the Obama campaign losing relevance. It is a merely a provacative comment to get the pundit some attention; it is neither insightful nor true. How about a discussion of issues for a change? FYI, the only truly irrelevant campaigns on the democratic side are Kucinich, Gravel, and unfortunately Dodd

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Deidre Kelly — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:30:40 GMT

Hi! Saw you on the blog claiming that by removing white insensitive jerkoffs from the whitehouse we are in some way damning ourselves as a country...."moving toward a low-life mongrel culture " as you creatively put it. What do you call what the monster whites did to the Indians when they STOLE their land? Or the blacks whom they used to get rich off of their backs and hard labor (and hold it over their heads years later),only to treat them like fuckable animals(then & now-but not all whites of course). Yeah, they act like black is bad, but they like our beautiful women and strong men and skin tones(Jealously?). Whites have sex with gerbils, and sheep and what not-go figure. Anyway, Bush is continuing the killing in Iraq over oil...Who's moving this culture towards what? Where's Osama? Where are the tapes of the 9/11 incident at the Pentagon?
GO OBAMA. I WANT SOMEONE TO CARE ABOUT ME.

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Beaster — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:07:30 GMT

To the writer of this article, get a real job! It seems to me that you are not willing to be a free thinker, and your just wasting our valuable time.

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Beaster — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:19:12 GMT

To the writer of this article, get a real job! It seems to me that you are not willing to be a free thinker, and your just wasting our valuable time.

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earl skovs port st. lucie florida — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:07:21 GMT

Hello---just remember the past when you are in the voting booth,---do not vote for any candidate that do not advocte 'UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE' period'---most middle class Americans do not have anything in common with these wealthy politicians that are in the pocket of 'The pharmacutical industry'---wake up. people!

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ABDUL, BOSTON, MA — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:16:44 GMT

I wonder the kind of people they call for polling no one ever call me and for god sake let the people decide who they gonna elect for the nomination, You the media think you gonna fool us this time not anymore.

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dave Rock Island, Illinois — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:52:06 GMT

Hey "TORIS" you call the media idiots(posted 3:10 pm, Friday). Try reading your own posting, moron. It's full of grammatical errors - assuming you know what that means.

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Arshad, Newburgh, NY — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:10:12 GMT

Chuck, my friend, I would love you to post a huge picture of Obama's rally in new york city (in the backyard of your Senator clinton) that was attended by 24,000 people on a weekday evening. And then answer this question by yourself. And take a challenge to front runner to see if she can have a crowd half of this magnitude in her own turf (forget about in Illinois) and reinforce the answer you got earlier.

A personal request to you guys. Find a job elsewher like a car wash or something where you don't need to use your brain or hands to write something. These are not functioning anymore and earning a really bad rep for your profession.

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david R. Haight — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:46:48 GMT

Senator OBAMA
I'm sorry senator but you remind me of the chesire cat. Except for the smile there is not very much left.
you have raised alot of money after this fling of yours with the people that support you are you going to keep the extra or do some good?

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Michael - Simi Valley, CA — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:32:36 GMT

Remember, even though Democrats control congress, Bush still has the veto power & the Demcorats don't have the 60 votes to over-ride, so whatever legislation Democrats try to pass, Bush can veto it....So I find it hard to believe that Democrats can be blamed for this...

As far as Obama losing relevancy, BULL, he attracts 15,000+ people whereever he goes, & no other candiate can say that....

And come on First Read, how about covering the story about the Rudy Giuliani supporter who was THE main donor to the California electoral vote split scam nonsense....

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/09/29/MNSESGGJB.DTL

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Rich, Fredericksburg, VA — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:36:39 GMT

I have always predicted that Hillary Clinton would get the 2008 nomination because the democrats love to shoot themselves in the foot and i agree with the fact that Obama is losing relevancy, if he ever had any. However i also agree with the fact that the primaries are at least 100 days away and anything could happen. Look at McCain, everyone thought he was dead but he is coming back now. I also agree with the fact that the media, on both sides, tend to exaggerate and show bias in how they write about candidates. My predictions, Hillary and Biden or Richardson??? and McCain and Huckabee. McCain 08 and God Bless

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J. H. D., Topsham, ME — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:37:48 GMT

Rudy Giuliani needs to spend some time with his dictionary. His recent definition of freedom will lead us to a fascist police state. Not surprising from 'his honor the hall monitor' but likely the worst thing to happen to actual real freedom since the Patriot Act. He may claim to be electable, but so was Il Duce once upon a time.

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Jack Baum — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:00:22 GMT

Democratic controlled Congress has a lower approval rating than BUSH! Now who is eating crow!! They got elected to end th ewar in IRAG and have so far been totally unable to do so even with a lame duck President in the White House. Now ask yourself this, if they can't get that done, what will become of all the other issues facing America? It is high time that the American voter..who is either ignorant as H*ll or too lazy to do anything, wakes up. We have been led around on for years by a two party system designed to keep us busy while they foxes raid the hen house. Thsi tyrantical government is out of control. We need good Centrist independents to run for office. Kick all the Dumbacrats and Reflublicans out and replce them with real Americans. These money grubbing cons we have in there now are all lawyers and that alone ought to tell you somethng. Income tax is the means the government used to enslave a once free republic and make us their cash cows. Repeal the 16th Amendment to the constitution and watch the carreer politicians leave office in droves. Also put all the politicians on Social Security and see how fst they fix it. Nobody Democrat or Republican is worth a rats A**

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:01:26 GMT

I remember all those polling numbers had President Bush dead to center in 2004. Goes to show you never believe a poll. I just mention polls because it's fun!

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Andy W., Fraser Colorado — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:56:12 GMT

Hillary Clinton, Barak Obama, or John Edwards? Any of these Democratic Party front-runners will make a good choice as candidate and president. I believe that delusional conservatism had pretty well exhausted itself by 2000. That republicans maintained control past then was due to the stolen election of 2000, and the artful manipulation of the tragedy of 9/11/2001. Is Barak Obama irrelevant? Not likely, ever.

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max detroit mich — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:15:09 GMT

oris should learn how too spell what an idiot

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RuthieM — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:18:55 GMT

MSNBC needs to be wiped off the face of all medias! As you continue to 'with each passing day' flaunt former president Clinton in the headlines, and ignore Hillary's gaffes, her worse debates and constant flipflops and fence straddling, you are determined to make Obama's campaign irrelevant!? How dare you!!! But then again, it isn't ALL you, we all know it's first coming straight from the Clinton campaign, no matter who's face is on it!!! The only campaign that's becoming irrelevant with each passing day are the Clintons, Bill and Hillary!!! What's so ironic, is that this tripe is coming on the heels of one of the if not THE biggest political rallys ever, and it was all due to 'irrelevant' Obama. You jerks!!! What's ironic too is that Guiliani's poll numbers have been just where Obama's have been, McCain's have been in the toilet since the beginning, Romney's national poll numbers have also been in the toilet and the rest of them GOPers don't bare mentioning, yet Obama, having topped the money race both quarters of dems and repubs and having topped the donor race between dems and repubs, repubs combined, the print is 'Obama's campaign irrelevant with each passing day'. Something needs to be done about this blatant bias and bigotry against Obama in the media!!! You're trying very very hard to irrelevantize Obama so all his following can go to Billary. But you know what? Even if Obama did not make the nomination, Hillary is NOT GETTING MY VOTE, AND THAT'S A FACT!!! I wish Obama could sue all of you for slander, defamation of charcter and just lies about him.

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RuthieM — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:23:15 GMT

Where's my comment, thank you!

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Becky L, New York — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:20:50 GMT

MSNBC has become very biased towards Hillary Clinton, IMHO.
They are very much becoming like Fox and objectivity and solid reporting are nowhere to be found.

Very sad.

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Matt, Clay, New York — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:25:22 GMT

If you want Hillary to loose, then stop talking about her. When Hillary Doesn't loose, she wins. So when you talk about her, she is winning. Any negative press spins in her favor, she is only getting stronger. We Democrats can dislike a candidate and support another but we shouldn't attack them. Let's face it, she is likely to be the nominee, when we attack her we are giving the Republicans amo. Dems who hate Hillary, I would imagine would rather have a Clinton n the white house than Rudy, right?

I want Joe Biden...I will support him, but I wont blast Hillary!

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Will Gibbs — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:52:44 GMT

This type of analysis is best done a year after the election. How does it serve democracy for consultants, talking heads, pundits and the press to try to squash discourse in midstream.

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Anthony, Long Beach CA — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:33:06 GMT

What does less relevant even mean? The reason Obama's campaign doesn't get talked about is that MSNBC and CNN buy into all of Hillary's stump BS. She is doing all the right things...just ask her campaign. Great job reporting non-biased news. Just hand over the presidency to the Republicans.

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Soto,Esther Dover Delaware — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:41:56 GMT

it seem that you and the media are bushing Hilary down our throat. What about the other candidates. You are always talking about Obama's experience. I think and know he will do for the people. I now you and media is always talking about because he does't attack Hillary. That not who is. On the other hilliary is another Bush and money only. Barack is for the people and he do not talk in circle like Hilary> How can you confine a health care bill when Pres. Clinton in office. I don't want another Bush-Clinton era in the white house. Obama & Edward for President

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Arnold Harris, Mount Horeb WI — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:52:26 GMT

I am certain the polling numbers are more accurate than the wishes of the backers of the numerous candidates whose candidacies are no more likely than gasoline at 25 cents/gallon.

Senator Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic Party nominee and Mayor Rudi Giuliani will be Republican Party nominee.

That Mayor Giuliani has such support is based on certain knowledge of most Republicans that he is the only Republican candidate who can beat Senator Clinton in the general election in November 2008.

I am one of those middle-road Republicans who used to be a majority in our party, until it was captured by the American ayutollahs of the religious right. I am certain that with the passage of the what remains of the last administration of the last of the Bushes, we have elected the last of that breed to national office. Most of us are tired of the handiwork of extremists either of the left or right, and we will never again trust them with important office.

Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI

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eSPO — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:58:36 GMT

MSNBC has lost all relevency for refusing to post factual information about the source of this article.

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Eddie Murray, Virginia Beach, VA — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:58:57 GMT

The problem with Americans (The Majority) is that they don't know their Country is a Republic and the system of Governance is Republican. Just like ancient Rome, America Will Collapse from within. With people of the ilk of George Bush, and Dick Cheney, Adolph Hitler, and Mussolini, this country will fail unless true Democracy Reigns.

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Rufus Gibbons, DC — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:03:45 GMT

There seems to be a lot of "kill the messenger" rhetoric in the blog lately. It has always been that the front runner gets the most coverage too many of you have forgotten that the ones we should be directing our attention to are the republicans making me wonder if most of the people on this blog are not first time voters, not that I find anything wrong with that in fact I think it is wonderful that so many young people are interested in politics just vote in the primary for your choice and again for the nominee in the general election. In the sixty plus years that I have been voting I have quite often had to choose between "the lesser of two evils".

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Ngole — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:27:38 GMT

After watching the Democratic debate just this past week on MSNBC, I had to ponder alot on the analyses of the reporters at the end of the debate that leave me the question if they were watching the debate. By this I mean, Sen. Clinton was applauded for being the winner. I question the intelligence of such reporters and this has leaved me to think that their Bosses have been bought by the Clinton campaign. I know this is not a popular thought but that is just the case. Sen. Clinton did not commit to any topic that was brought forth for deliberation, but instead, she remained defiance on the question that were asked by Tim. When she was asked if there were any contributions that she made to Bill Clinton's administration, she was dumfounded and couldn't answer the question. Therefore where is the experience that she claims to have gather from her husband adminitration. One failed healthcare program that Sen. Clinton had, and because of this, the media if freezing on her experience. I think we should seat back and think. Expereince my foot. If you think I am just criticizing her, please, go back and watch that section. But the journalists wouldn't talk about that part. I think is best for our country just to get away from the Clintons and the Bush families.
We need to move forward..... The reign of dynasty is not a good practice for a nation. This is tyranny of the few and less priveledge. We have seen where the Bush family drag us into, and we shouldn’t wait to see what would happen with another Clinton{remember that Bill sold our treasury bonds to China. Now the Chinese don’t want it any more and want to get raid of it, and if they do so, this will lead this country in to infalation. – Nobody is talking about this issue}
I tell you my dear country men and women, if we Vote for another Clinton - because that is what the media wants - we have open the doors for the media and other big corporations to decide for us. Let us choose someone different from the usual face, like we did when we first met Bill Clinton.
Enough is enough........... It is time for us to push back.

Let the big corporations continue to push for Sen. Clinton, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO VOTE, PLEASE FOR THE SEEK OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY, LET US VOTE FOR A NEW FACE IN WASHINGTON - JOHN OR OBAMA.

SAVE OUR NATION AND PRESERVE OUR DIGNITY - LET OUR FAMILIES RULE THAT IS WHAT MAKES US DIFFERENT FROM BRITAIN

THANK YOU, THANK YOU THANK, YOU.................

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Ngole - BOSTON, MA — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:29:03 GMT

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Ngole - BOSTON — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:45:42 GMT

After watching the Democratic debate just this past week on MSNBC, I had to ponder alot on the analyses of the reporters at the end of the debate that leave me the question if they were watching the debate. By this I mean, Sen. Clinton was applauded for being the winner. I question the intelligence of such reporters and this has leaved me to think that their Bosses have been bought by the Clinton campaign. I know this is not a popular thought but that is just the case. Sen. Clinton did not commit to any topic that was brought forth for deliberation, but instead, she remained defiance on the question that were asked by Tim. When she was asked if there were any contributions that she made to Bill Clinton's administration, she was dumfounded and couldn't answer the question. Therefore where is the experience that she claims to have gather from her husband’s adminitration. One failed healthcare program that Sen. Clinton had, and because of this, the media if freezing on her experience. I think we should seat back and think. Expereince my foot. If you think I am just criticizing her, please, go back and watch that section. But journalists wouldn't talk about that part. I think is best for our country just to get away from the Clintons and the Bush families.
We need to move forward..... The reign of dynasty is not a good practice for a nation. This is tyranny of the few and less priveledge. We have seen where the Bush family drag us into, and we shouldn’t wait to see what would happen with another Clinton{remember that Bill sold our treasury bonds to China. Now the Chinese don’t want it any more and want to get raid of it, and if they do so, this will lead this country in to inflation. – Nobody is talking about this issue}
I tell you my dear country men and women, if we Vote for another Clinton - because that is what the media wants - we have open the doors for the media and other big corporations to decide for us. Let us choose someone different from the usual face, like we did when we first met Bill Clinton.
Enough is enough........... It is time for us to push back.

Let the big corporations continue to push for Sen. Clinton, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO VOTE, PLEASE FOR THE SAKE OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY, LET US VOTE FOR A NEW FACE IN WASHINGTON - JOHN OR OBAMA.

SAVE OUR NATION AND PRESERVE OUR DIGNITY - LET OTHER FAMILIES RULE THAT IS WHAT MAKES US DIFFERENT FROM BRITAIN

THANK YOU, THANK YOU THANK, YOU.................

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Liam SoCal — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:47:57 GMT

This isn't really about bias--it's about laziness and sloppiness in the media. So I guess it is a little biased--the "we may not know what is going on, but at least we're the first network to tell you that" bias. Why do a detailed examination of each candidate's support when a shoddy poll will suffice?

A few other notes:
RH, since you're calling me a "weak-wristed liberal fop", I guess you wouldn't be adverse to a little one-on-one to see who's got chops? I'm sick of Repubs calling Demos wimps without having the spine to back it up.

Dr. Karl: thank you so much. It's been so long since I've fallen of my chair laughing.

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Grant — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:02:46 GMT

I guess the guys at LCG don't read Newsweek and haven't seen that Obama has moved into the lead in IA among likely caucus voters. Relax, this is going to be a long fight and he has the money to fight to the end.

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RJP — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:11:15 GMT

Nuanced, how quickly you libs forget the pounding/brainwashing the "GOP Controlled", "GOP Dominated" or "GOP Majority" was used by the media on a daily basis. At one time Sen Jeffords changed to a Democrat and that shifted the balance in the Senate! The GOP had SLIM SLIM majorities the whole time, but anyone who wanted the truth had to go to a Congressional website or something along those lines to get the REAL majority. Now that the Democrats have shown how they can run congress the American people have shown they aren't impressed with the New Congress.

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Cynthia Chance of Santa Monica, CA — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:29:58 GMT

The whole reason that the press has created this hyped up war between Obama and Clinton and has ignored the majority of news about Edwards, Richardson, Biden, Dodd and the others... is because the Republican Party WANTS the Democrats to nominate either a woman or a non-white. WHY? Because they know darn well that this country is not ready for either to be president yet. Which means that ANY white male candidate they run will beat our woman or non-white candidate in the end. And they will retain the White House.

Ralph Nadar cost Gore the election. Had Nadar not run, the dems and independents who voted for him would have voted for Gore instead. He cost Gore the election by taking votes away that would have helped him win against Bush.

I highly respect and value the folks who voted for Nadar based on his extreme values and ideas - some of which I embrace. But we need to realize that the presidential election is NOT the smart place to be extremist. WE COST OURSELVES THE PRESIDENCY BY NOT BACKING THE CANDIDATE THAT CAN TAKE IT AWAY FROM THE REPUBLICANS!!!! And the Republican Party knows this. They bank on it! They use it against us by secretely (through the media) promoting democratic candidates that they know they can defeat in the end!!

If we actually promoted and nominated a white male candidate then the Republican Party would be in for an even fight. THAT is why the press (lead by FOX) doesn't give the white male candidates a fair shake at coverage.

We are shooting ourselves in the foot by fighting amongst ourselves over the best candidate for the NOMINATION... we should be thinking rationally and realizing the bigger picture here... what do we want for an end result? Our own personal favorite candidate for nomination? Or to take back the White House? I'll opt for taking back the WH, even if my favorite candidate isn't chosen to do it.

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get real nyc — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:00:55 GMT

I promise there are Obama paid writers on this blog. You cant walk down the street in NYC without passing 24000 people!!!

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Andrea Taylor — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:06:52 GMT

LCG's "report" is obviously flawed! That person is out of touch to say Barack Obama's campaign is getting less relevant. Did they see or read about the Washginton Square Rally in NYC? Nearly 25,000 people attended.

Did the person that wrote that "report" hear about the ceromony Mr. Obama just attended at Howard University, and that he was awarded a Honorary Degree? Did they see or read the moving speech from the ceromony?

Did they check Mr. Obama's campaign piggy bank?

Mr. Obama's campaign IS EXTREMELY relevant and the most loved and admired candidate running in the election.

He has a HUGE following and is going to win!

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Sandy, Trumbull, CT — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:09:33 GMT

Domenico Montanaro is clearly not a fair reporter! What a shame. GO OBAMA!!!

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speck, Princeton, NJ — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:36:41 GMT

Obama is irrelevant? Interesting. Likely Caucus Goers in Iowa seem to disagree - Newsweek poll: Obama 28, Clinton 24 and Edwards 22.

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Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:51:31 GMT

RH negative, almost half the congress is republican. You better go back to grade school and learn how to add. Your party sucks worse because you also have loser Bush. Go look in the mirror and HA HA

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Richard Jones — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:06:17 GMT

The news media in this country is full of dumb ****ards that can't see through the "top tier candidates" which are only considered top tier of thier fund raising capablilities. For your information - Mike Huckabee will be the next President. Maybe then you will consider him "top tier"

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MRQDC — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:09:18 GMT

READ THIS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMlrSG1xb5k

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Rosemary, Simi Valley, Ca — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:05:42 GMT

I agree with Kelan in Davenport, Iowa,

I think the mainstream media and Punditry Corp are also trying to destroy the Obama campaign subtlely, with terms like he is irrelevant, etc. He is weak because he won't attack Hilliary. Come on folks can a candidate show some real intelligence for a change?

If that is the case, Why would Bill Clinton jump into the fray by saying something this early in the game about Obama's experience. I think people are getting worried out there HMMMMMM!!

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Cynthia Hill, Pasadena CA — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 02:37:19 GMT

--The Obama campaign is becoming less and less relevant with each passing day.

Are you beltway folks living under a rock? 24K at an Obama rally yesterday in Clinton's backyard is less relevant? Also, Why do you guys in the media continue to RAM Clinton down our throat? "Hillary is MAJESTIC", "Hillary is UNSTOPPABLE" You sound like parrots.

I don't know ANYONE who plans on voting for her. Obama - yes, Edwards - yes, but Clinton?

The media and beltway pundits are COMPLETELY disconnected with the people who vote. Who the hell are you polling? It's laughable.

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Mamabear Claw El Cajon Califoria — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 03:21:48 GMT

Hog wash It is not want the media wants It is want the people want and Obama is going strong Out with the Bushes and Out with the Clintons Let's turn the page and move on

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JimmieFromDayton — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 04:02:57 GMT

Thanks Chuck, I think I understand what's going on. I know you're smarter than this story indicates. It's gotta be just to rouse up this movement because no one could actually believe what this article is stating.

Good one hahaahhaha!

Obama 08!

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Bee — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 04:06:54 GMT

Another gabbage from MSNBC, are you folks different from FOX. Everything that is wrong with American politics begin with irresponsible journalism.

Domini what? I'll sugest you go back to school and learn adequate reporting. How about opinion rating of the media? I guess you guys won't even get 5% rating.

The day and age media is so irresponsible and cannot be trusted in any way. I am waiting for public opinion on mainstream media . Let see if you guys fair well . I know th e media won't even get up to 5%.

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William, Chicago, IL — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 06:12:20 GMT

Hillary is going to fall and Obama will fill the vacuum.

Hillary is about as electable as Michael Dukakis.

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David Jacobson — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 11:54:02 GMT

The Obama campaign was always a long shot. People like to think about dramatic changes. But the reality is that the problems we face are not subject to simple solutions. Plus any kind of solution requires some kind of political consensus based on compromise. Hilary is the only one of the Democratic candidates who seems ready to cope with this reality.

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SARAH SMYRNA,TENNESSEE — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:08:57 GMT

why dont we just go ahead & give hillary the nomination.i thought we had to vote first, but obviously not! i think after all the votes are counted, there will be alot of surprised media people! OBAMA/EDWARDS 08!!!

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Straight Up /AZ — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:57:19 GMT

Hillary's, One Of the common Washington Paper Hangers! Still voting to fund the War! Liar, Or just double faced! American has REAL LEADERSHIP,, Not this bag of misleading, liar, self serving mongrel. She didn't get it right yesterday,, just what in the hell is this bag of wind realy about??

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Greg Heaton, Portland, OR — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:53:57 GMT

What does relevance mean? And how is that determined?

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mike, dallas, TX — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:00:27 GMT

Chuck Todd and Company,

You know better than coming up with the title suggesting Obama's campaign becoming "irrelevant". To be critical and stimulate discussion is one thing but to suggest such a vibrant campaign of Obama's is becoming irrelevant is outlandish, dishonest and misleading.

Please guys do the right thing:TAKE THE TITLE OF YOUR PIECE DOWN (change it to something reasonable)Otherwise reasonable people will see through your behavior and you lose credibility and you will become IRRELEVANT.

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Virginia Rome, Italy — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:03:33 GMT

Wow...who controls American politics???? The military industrial complex, the pharmaceutical companies, special interest groups, the lobbyists, the insurance groups, the huge corporations, the OIL industry....they all want Hillary as the Democratic candidate!!! And of course this is supported by the American media...Rupert Murdoch and Friends control American journalism (but do most Americans even know that???!!!)!!!???? So the Obama campaign is "less and less relevant"????? Who writes this "fair and balanced" commentary???!!! Wake up America and smell the coffee!!!!

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J. Edwards — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:13:57 GMT

With each passing day, it is painfully obvious that the "inside the Beltway" pundits and consultants just don't know what the hell they're talking about. Nor are they taking the time or expending the effort to talk to the people who will really decide this thing, and that is the voters across the country.

There is no urgency for Obama to start slinging mud, or beat up on Hillary. The voters will realize Hillary is running on her husband's record, that she is as phony as her laugh, and her persona is "vaporware" at best.

Obama's candidacy is far from irrelevant. It's just not operating the way the pundits think it should. They lack the insight and diligence to fairly consider the campaigns of all candidates other than Hillary. Shame on them for their shallowness.

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Kate Dennis — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:26:38 GMT

I think the most interesting thing is that those of us that choose to vote for Hillary don't see Obama as a threat. We see him as part of a team. The most important thing Democrats need to think about it getting a team that can get elected. Hillary is proving that even without the "likeablity factor" she can get it done. I would suggest you all remember that Bush was likeable. And the US voted for likeable instead of competent last election.

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Lance - SF — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 01:04:35 GMT

I've gotta go with alot of these comments... to call the Obama campaign "less and less relevant with each passing day" is just incredibly out of touch. Is there really something in it for the mainstream media to report in such a biased fashion? Wait till they turn in the fundraising numbers! Irrelevant my a**!

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H Jackson APO AP — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 02:36:57 GMT

Just the comments on this page alone are enough to show that the Obama campaign has plenty of relevance. It's like a hornet's nest in here.

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H Jackson APO AP — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 02:43:25 GMT

Just the comments on this page alone are enough to show that the Obama campaign has plenty of relevance. It's like a hornet's nest in here.

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David McLeod, Garland, Texas — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 03:54:50 GMT

Excuse me? Ron Paul is definitely challenging the idea that only Rudy is electable. He has stated over and over again the a pro war Republican cannot win this election.

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Kurt, Florida — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 04:07:56 GMT

Is Hillary paying you? Just thought I would ask. You guys are ridiculous. We all know that Obama is in the lead period. The other candities are freaking out because they can only dream of bringing together 24,000 people at one place. We all know that the momentum of Senatore Obama's has been mind blowing to everbody. The Spindoctors, Consulting Groups(Interest Groups) are flubbing the results of those so Called "polls" they are most likely making up and saying 100's people took this or that but we all know that its only 1 or 2 people making up these false polls. The reason they cant grasp reality is that the American People are coming together to vote for Obama (Democrats,Republicans,ever race,ever state). Those so called "consuling groups" are starting to notice that all the money that they invested to get what they want is going down the drain very quickly. So they have to result to making up false polls that have there candidate of choice on top. But the real sad thing is you guys Chuck and Mark would even stoop down to there level. I know you have to pay the bills but do you feel you have made an honest decision!

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David English, Medford Oregon — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 04:24:23 GMT

This is another example of the MSM crowning HRC the nominee even before it happens. To say that Obama is irrelevent is to say the hunderds of thousands of Obama supporters across the country are irrelevent.

The problem is that jerks like the writers of this article are foaming at the mouth for a Hillary vs. Rudy match up.

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Nikki — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 05:21:24 GMT

I would say this article is irrelevant, given the fact that Obama is taking over in Iowa and just blew the lid off of his fundraising goals.

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Creampuff, Marcus, Iowa — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 06:35:57 GMT

What's with this ludicrous article? Who really cares about the top-tier candidates anyway? The poll numbers don't mean squat considering every American citizen didn't vote in the poll. Beside that, majority of people hang up on pollsters because they're a royal pain. I don't think Hillary will get close to what the polls show. In fact, I don't think any of the top-tier candidates will get what the polls show. Those polls are a small, select group of people and are barely a drop in the bucket. So, MSNBC can say all they want, but they WILL always show their bias against the lower-tier candidates no matter how often people e-mail them.

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DO_RESEARCH, Seattle, Wash. — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:10:05 GMT

Obama speaks to 24k in park

http://media.www.nyunews.com/media/storage/paper869/news/2007/09/28/News/Obama.Speaks.To.24k.In.Park-2999279.shtml

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Checago Bright, New York, NY — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:10:11 GMT

Aren't you guys shame of yourself at MSNBC? you continue to bring a good man down just because he thinks different from your old and dirty politics. Obama loss relevant..please stop that madia manipulation. Obama just drew 24,000 crowd yet, he is not relavant..haha..what a joke. You guys will be surprise with the outcome of this elections...when you see obama...

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Frank (Long Island =) NY — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:44:21 GMT

Domenico Montanaro and MSNBC are all wrong. Media trying to push us the HRC way. I was in NYC and I hope the 24,00 become 48,000 at the next rally.
The message is clear, by the way Bill, you were good in office but when you entered what experience did YOU have-Gov of Arkansas?

OBAMA - EDWARDS 08

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HT Heitman, Wilmington nc — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:59:33 GMT

What about Ron Paul, why is he not in your coverage here, give him his due, he is gaining fast in the money riased. In the last seven days of the third quarter he raised 1.2 million on line. Not including other events. I waould like you to find out what the total numbers are for him in his fund raising and present that to the public.

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Flander Annapolis — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:45:27 GMT

MSNBC has always been up Hillary's black pant suit.

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JIrby, Colorado — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:44:16 GMT

Richard, Washington - I'm actually not referring to all Repubs as being morons, just the rednecks who voted for Bush assuming he was going to do them any good. For a wealthy Repub, voting for him was a way to increase his wealth, because it has been the Bush agenda to steal from the masses to give to the rich. Any working class Repub who voted for him thinking he was voting for his pocket book is delusional. Also, I don't expect morons to understand that they are morons. It's like trying to insult a cockroach by calling it a cockroach. They are not embarrassed at all about being cockroaches. As far as rich Repubs being morons, I doubt if that occurs any more than with the general population. We just don't call them morons. We call them eccentric. Ability to make money doesn't fall into any category of intelligence that is being measured, as far as I know. What I do know is that this blog seems to be attracting lots of morons lately for some reason. What we really need is a blog dedicated to morons so that normal people don't have to put up with them.

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Dozirulf, Youngstown, OH — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:45:40 GMT

I think the entire list of Republican candidates is who is becoming more irrelevant with each passing day.

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Dawn, Wilkes-Barre, PA — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:02:26 GMT

"Thompson may regret going on Leno instead of debating in NH."

Are you kidding? More voters had just put their kids to bed, cleaned up the dinner dishes, put the laundry away and settled in just in time for Leno. Yeah, I tuned in to some premature GOP debate *rolls eyes*.

My options are so open at this point. Not one canidate has yet to show me enough substance to claim my vote.

Get real.

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Yog Goel, Damascus, MD — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:07:01 GMT

I have a question to Chris matthews. Do you work for Hillary? You always say in favor of her and against Obama. Not sure where are you doing polling either. All my friends and relatives are Democrate and will vote for Obama. Chris, please be nice to all candidates and tell the truth.

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Nicollet Tady, Portland, OR — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:28:56 GMT

Hi Guys,
I was VERY impressed with President Bill Clinton on Tim Russert's program. Two for the price of one....YOU BETCHA! Bill is class all the way when it comes to engaging dialogue with foreign leaders. He left office with a budget surplus. He & Hillary have dedicated their lives to making our world a better place. Say what you will....I say;
"HEY, HEY, HILLARY ALL THE WAY!"