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Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:51:23 GMT

Keep scaring the crap out of the repubs Hillary, and you will be the first US female president.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:23:11 GMT

I hope nobody gets a taser at the Kerry speech today. John Kerry is a moron when he talks about the poor and middle class. I read a AP story today that this SCHIP health plan that the democrats are so hot and holy about will hurt the poor and middle class because of the tax on cigarettes. Everybody knows poor people smoke more then rich people, so they will have to spend more money to help poor people kick the habit. Way to go party of the poor people, what's next, taxing the dollar menu at McDonald's?

I'm sure as soon as Hillary met with Bill, she pulled out a rolling pin and told him "I will let you back in the house depending on what you say Sunday on Meet the Press". And as the Sub in the relationship, Bill did exactly as the master told him to do.

Baby bond for $20 billion a year? Time to put a 10% tax on beer, pizza and fast food to pay for it. Maybe an extra tax (5%) on all televisions in the household and a $3.00 a gallon tax on gasoline. That should pay for it all.

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Tom, SC — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:28:59 GMT

FYI Black cacus endorsements is currently even since I assume Obama will endorse himself. He unlike Hillary is actually a member and not a "Johhny come lately wannabe".

Although it should come as no surprise to anyone seeing as how she bought almost all AA endorsements in SC that she has( jobs on her campaign and endowments to Libraries)

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NotALemming — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:35:29 GMT

What every John Kerry says - do the opposite. His stupid meter is always pegged.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:38:04 GMT

John Edwards LOL:

What kind of a moron walks into a town that is losing their main source of income when they close down the factory, wearing a thousand dollar suit of clothes, a $400 haircut and talks about how he is going to raise taxes and make everybody pay LOL. Some people just have a knack for stepping in it and John Edwards is up to his $400 haircut in it. That story in the LA times is great, it shows how much people in Iowa are really looking at each of their candidates and taking a step back and realizing that their guy or gal is just not what the country needs right now.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:39:56 GMT

The unemployment rate in South Carolina should rise after Hillary gets out of the state.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:50:51 GMT

Was there Indian music, yoga and other forms of meditation at the Kucinich Rally yesterday?

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Robert Catalano, Salem, OR — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:57:12 GMT

I hope the doubts about Hillary's electablility continue to grow. Easterners have little interest in what we in the west think unless they are trying to get votes in California. The strong changing tide from Republican to Democrat here during the 2006 elections will be stemmed if Hillary is the nominee. For most people I talk to, the more we get to know her the less we like her. She is the only Democratic front-runner who will leave the country as divided as it is now if she wins. Democrats may win the House and Senate but if Hillary runs, the current majorities will not grow by much, if any. With a 42% negative rating, there is not much wiggle room for her to operate. Democrats may "show" the Republicans by getting her elected President but Independents will show the Democrats by voting aginst Democrats they may have voted for if Hillary were leading the party ticket. The Democratic Party rank and file have led their followers down the losing road too many times for anybody to trust them.

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HMT-MI — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:57:34 GMT

Sure wish Kerry had won the election----George Bush has given me an ulcer----

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Economics Prof, Georgia — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:58:14 GMT

Kerry is a fool. Clinton benefited from all the left over Cold War defense funds. Clinton didnt create jobs, they were all DOT.COM. Where are they now? The same people were poor when Clinton was president are poor now. Clinton passed NAFTA. I can go on and on about economics.....

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Teddy Brunswick — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:04:13 GMT

John Kerry's economic plan? Tax the masses until they bleed!!

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Kim, Dallas Texas — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:06:58 GMT

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Sierra, SF — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:16:03 GMT

Bill Clinton's phoney 'Gloval Initiative' is timed just before the primary season.
How convienient !!
Notice that he WON'T disclose the donations until AFTER THE ELECTION !!

Surprise !!
Bet that Wal-Mart is a major contributor.
After he touts, the anti-union labor exploiter as a role model for development !!
Maybe Norman Hsu and Peter Paul are also contributors....

But, Bill WON'T SAY, until AFTER THE ELECTION !!

Jimmy Carter doesn't announce initiatives JUST BEFORE the primaries.
Jimmy Carter honestly work for the public good.
Unlike, Slick Willie !!

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GAB,Austin, TX — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:29:37 GMT

The SCHIP can pass easily when it comes back up for a vote. Just tell Bush and Republicans that it'll cover illegal immigrant children and Iraqi children and Bush will sign it gladly.

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Erik — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:37:07 GMT

As a African American man I'm ashamed of the black caucus. The members who back Clinton are only looking out for themselves not the people. These caucus members got there jobs on the back of the civil rights movement. The laws and social change it created benefited everyone in this country. This is what Obama stands for. This is a slap in the face to civil rights movement and all African Americans in this country. A house divided can not stand. These greedy caucus members need to think about the people the represent and send a message that they support change and fairness not more of the same divisive politics.

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Warren Brewster, Buffalo NY — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:55:58 GMT

--Jimmy Carter honestly work for the public good.--

FurSure.

Double digit inflation.
Double digit interest rates.
High unemployment.
Slow economic growth.
Extreme raising of the Social Security tax.

A regular man of the people that Jimmy. And these are just his domestic follies.

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Sierra, SF — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:57:43 GMT

jerry/corpus christi texas: '...a town that is losing their main source of income when they close down the factory, wearing a thousand dollar suit of clothes,...'
Oh ! Come On !! jerry !!
Which of the politicians is dressed in sack cloth ??
These are all rich guys and girls !!
Thes pol are ALL well taken care of.
They all benefit from 'socialized medecine' !
They'll all accept 'socialized medical treatment'

John Edwards happens to be a rich guy who's talking about the poor
George Bush is a rich guy who wants tax cuts for the rich
Rudy Guiliani is a rich guy who wants hand outs for the rich and freedom to marry his cousins

That's the only difference !!

Mahatma Ghandi was a high caste Brahmin
Nelson Mandela was African royalty
FDR was a rich guy who cared about the poor

What's the problem, jerry ??

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Sierra, SF — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:05:53 GMT

First Read:

'...An interesting back-and-forth between Bill Clinton and Obama. After Bill Clinton told Bloomberg News on that he had more experience than Obama when he ran for president in 1992...'

True, but that was trailer park, bimbo experience..
That's Bill's campaign was afraid of 'bimbo expoloions' during the 1992 campaign.

Please note that Slick Willie NEVER GOT 50% of the vote in either of his Presidential elections.

Bill won with a minority of the votes, both times thanks to Ross Perot siphoning off Republican and independent voters.

END 15 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND CORRUPTION
OBAMA/EDWARDS '08

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American Voter — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:31:11 GMT

Kerry is still an idiot.

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Asad — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:35:11 GMT

Hey G, Hillary is also scaring us democrats. We are very concerned about her electability. If you want a woman president, there are certainly many many more qualified women in politics who aren't as polarizing or as robotic as Hillary. Don't nominate someone that doesn't have a chance in the general election.

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Nick, Ohio — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:36:28 GMT

Kerry is correct. We will be paying for the Bush debt for many years. The middle class (I'm guessing that includes most of us here) DOES NOT have it better than we did in 2000. Sure, we may be making more money as gross income, but how many of you received more than a 3% raise every year? By having the wealthy taxed at a lower rate are we in the lower classes, better off? Real inflation has hurt us by reducing our spending power without going into more debt. How can anyone see that the current housing crisis with our mortgages and lower home values has not hurt us?

Economically, we are worse off than we were in the death throes of the George HW Bush presidency. The 1980's are still affecting us, as the alleged boom times back then were heavily leveraged with debt. Clinton's era helped us out immensely in reducing our debt (which we all pay for in some way, shape or form) but it has all been squandered with Dubya's take on "Reaganomics". Dubya really has an MBA? Amazing.

And, let's not forget the poor... they've been negatively affected by the lack of regard and concern by the Bush economic policies... probably to the tune of at least 2x to that of the middle class. How much has the higher cost of fuel affected them? (And, that's just one item.)

Those of you who disbelieve the negative effects of the Bush economic policies need to get a reality taser and quit praising a man who has not done one positive thing to help the masses in this country since coming to office in January, 2001. The surplus is gone and we now have a record debt with no end in sight to its rise if we continue to ignore it. The surplus paid for what? Oh yeah... tax cuts to the wealthy, rebates to everyone and the war in Iraq. And, all of those results have helped us HOW???

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Amy B Portland, ME — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:41:53 GMT

Handsome picture of John Kerry there. I wish I could see him speak in Boston.

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Arshad, Newburgh, NY — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:50:09 GMT

When Obama drew 24,000 people in Hillary's backyard, that was a HUGE slap on MSM's face that none of them even dared to report the story. When Newsweek published the poll showing Obama is leading in Iowa at a time MSNBC is running a headline that Obama campaign is becoming irrelevant, that's another set of slaps. When Obama will report higher number in 3Q,07 fundraising then clinton, that would be another round of slap on MSM's face. How many more you guys want before you will stop spinning, truth twisting, intentional feeding of wrong information to worship Clintons and stop a decent man that is appealing to a broad section of American people. What are you afraid of? If you are not afraid of Obama or his message or his policies, just act like professional journalist. Report news the way it is. Compare his policies against competitors. Provide info to people, educate them on strengths and weaknesses of each candidate and help them to make the decision on their own.
What you are doing is simply obscene. People are looking to European media to get honest information. That's sad for American media that there is no objective reporting, no honesty & integrity left in this profession. It's all about lies, fear mongering, manipulating. If this is what you are doing to your own people, do you think anyone in rest of the world will ever believe what you say. Shape up before MSM itself become irrelevant to people.
If you have courage to accept difference in opinion, please publish my post and don't delete 30 min later.

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Rob — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:55:01 GMT

If Hillary's President we can expect Congress and the Senate to fall into Republican control. This will grid lock DC. Bill Clinton's impeachment issues, legal problems, affairs and corrupt fund rasing partners made him a 6 year lame duck President.

The country seems to do better when DC is grid locked, maybe we need another one of Bill's bimbos' in the White House.

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End This War — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:03:22 GMT

Don't nominate someone that doesn't have a chance in the general election.
NO MORE BUSHS/CLINTONS................End This War!!
NO MORE REPUBLICANS/CLINTONS..........End This War!!END 15 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND CORRUPTION!!!

Best Ticket: OBAMA/EDWARDS '08
OBAMA/EDWARDS '08

NO MORE BUSHS/CLINTONS................End This War!!
NO MORE REPUBLICANS/CLINTONS..........End This War!!

OBAMA/EDWARDS '08

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Don, Sammamish, WA — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:07:59 GMT

The Children's Health Bill is terrific, and will go a long way toward a better life for a lot of children. Are we really a people who would rather spend our money on wars than on ourselves? What are we thinking?

As a smoker, I can think of a thousand better ways to provide this money, but I'm willing to live with it as a statement of what I think we should do as a nation. I'm happy to be part of shared sacrifice for a good cause. Now, if you wanted a cigarette tax to help pay Blackwater's legal fees, I might protest.

As for Clinton/Obama, I think there are a lot of people out there who like Obama, but don't have confidence that he can win. This is one of the many areas where the press has serious issues. As long as pundits continue to intone about the inevitable Mrs. Clinton, they contribute to a stifling of the debate.

How should the press deal with the problem? Maybe start with the conscience. Look behind the polls a little, do a bit of research, become a part of the process rather than stand to the side and pontificate. This is your country, too, and to seem too detached in this climate is its own testimony.

Final example: Torture. This isn't a debate we're having on this issue. This is about whether we're going to be human beings or not. We can't be superficial on this topic. Write about it however you like, but I'm a little unclear of its treatment here, and more than distressed by the lack of real clarity in such areas from supposedly responsible sources of information.

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ANUTKRAKER, TX — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:16:44 GMT

jerry, Corpas Christi

Maybe you should run for president. With your line of babble at least you can stand for something. As you like to call others, you are definately the head moron that the republicans are looking for.

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Arshad, Newburgh, NY — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:22:25 GMT

LET ME TRY AGAIN!

When Obama drew 24,000 people in Hillary's backyard, that was a HUGE slap on MSM's face that none of them even dared to report the story. When Newsweek published the poll showing Obama is leading in Iowa at a time MSNBC is running a headline that Obama campaign is becoming irrelevant, that's another set of slaps. When Obama will report higher number in 3Q,07 fundraising then clinton, that would be another round of slap on MSM's face. How many more you guys want before you will stop spinning, truth twisting, intentional feeding of wrong information to worship Clintons and stop a decent man that is appealing to a broad section of American people. What are you afraid of? If you are not afraid of Obama or his message or his policies, just act like professional journalist. Report news the way it is. Compare his policies against competitors. Provide info to people, educate them on strengths and weaknesses of each candidate and help them to make the decision on their own.
What you are doing is simply obscene. People are looking to European media to get honest information. That's sad for American media that there is no objective reporting, no honesty & integrity left in this profession. It's all about lies, fear mongering, manipulating. If this is what you are doing to your own people, do you think anyone in rest of the world will ever believe what you say. Shape up before MSM itself become irrelevant to people.
If you have courage to accept difference in opinion, please publish my post and don't delete 30 min later.

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Anutkraker, TX — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:23:26 GMT

Asad,

Name at least two of the many, many more qualified woman than Hillary that have a better chance to be elected.

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Dana Nordman, Lake Elsinore, CA — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:28:10 GMT

Excellent points from Sierra to Jerry from TX. WTH are you rambling about Jerry??? Your overwhelming bias shines every time you open your mouth!

Why don't you reflect in front of the mirror for a few minutes and look back at what the last 6+ years of a Bush-run administration has done for us. Maybe then, you might realize that your constant chest thumping should be directed towards yourself. The rest of us here are trying to find solutions to all the problems Bush is very happily leaving behind for us to clean up.

We might not be perfect, but W is as far away from perfect as it gets so stand aside, and let the real people get on with doing the people's business: Ensuring healthcare for millions of un-insured children, reducing government, repairing foreign policy, oh, and let's not forget, get our troops out of a sectarian civil war in Iraq that Bush duped everyone into.

& btw, I did serve my country in the Army so I can make these statements...

Peace

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MK,MO — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:36:08 GMT

Asad / your wasting your breath trying to reason with the feminazi man haters littering this blog, not one of them can come up with one reason why they think hillary is the best candidate, and won't argue about the fact that she is corrupt and owned by the corporate lobbyists, or that she can't win the general election, the only reason they continually cackle about her is she's female, then if you are interested in a different candidate they call you sexist, a more laughable lot you will not find

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PEARL ROUSSEAU san antonio, tx. — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:38:57 GMT

i'm with you erik, obama represents the rights that the civil rights movement, what our black brothers and sisters were marching and dying for, where would we be if they did not stand up with martin and say, "things must change" WAKE UP BLACK CAUCUS

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Al, KS — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:41:04 GMT

Bill said he would report his contributions only after Hillary becomes president and only from that point forward. He is basically saying that any past contributions, and any from this point to inauguration day, will remain secret. Why is the media not reporting this? Why does Bill get a pass? Remember that when dealing with the Clintons, or any other Washington insider, you must listen to the words very closely.

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Victoria - Arroyo Grande, Ca — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:51:18 GMT

"NBC/NJ’s Aswini Anburajan reports that the Obama campaign claims to have hit a fundraising goal of 350,000 donors raising more than $500,000."

This is incorrect. He has 350,000 donors and 500,000 individual CONTRIBUTIONS, not dollars. I suspect the dollar figure will be slightly higher. :<)
Kim, Dallas Texas (Sent Monday, October 01, 2007 11:06 A

Kim ~ Thanks for the clarification. You are totally right. I am glad someone else saw that too!

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:56:58 GMT

If I ran for president, Hillary would have to answer the tough questions, not turn into a mommy's girl!

I'm not some wimpy left wing limp noodle that is cowering at that witch's feet, like the seven dwarfs are doing.

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Dwan Packnett, Macon Georgia — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:03:04 GMT

I wholeheartedly agree with Erik. For me, an African American female, the inability of the members of the black caucus to unanimously support one of their own highly qualified members for president raises some interesting questions. If the interests of African Americans are this diverse why is there a need for a congressional black caucus?

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George, Houston, TX — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:05:36 GMT

Quote: "NBC/NJ’s Aswini Anburajan reports that the Obama campaign claims to have hit a fundraising goal of 350,000 donors raising more than $500,000."

$500,000 ?!

How about 500,000 contributions, instead?

Here's wondering what else is incorrect in this piece?

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Asad — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:09:27 GMT

Hey Nutkraker, what I wrote was "...there are certainly many many more qualified women in politics who aren't as polarizing or as robotic as Hillary". By challenging this statement you are either suggesting that there are only a few qualified women in politics, or that most women in politics are as polarizing and robotic as Hillary.

My statement about electability was regarding the general list of candidates. It's probably better to nominate someone who can win, rather than nominating a bad candidate just because she's a woman.

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Dennis E., Dallas, TX — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:10:19 GMT

Jerry, CC maybe an alternative tax would be for every time you open your miouth and spout about the Clintons or other silly right wing drivel. In that case we could maybe do away with the IRS and taxes on income. The great "Blowhard Tax". All in favor so signify.

Also, Economics Professor in Ga. - glad I am not in one of your classes. I am sure you are not unbiased in your class curriculum. More of the same old Clinton took advantage of Repub iniatives and got the credit for them.

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Sara, Cedar Rapids, Iowa — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:19:53 GMT

The Newsweek poll is flawed, it even acknowledges a 7% + or - margin of error with Likely Democratic caucus goers, (which goes up to 9% with the GOP)I think the margin of error is much higher, given the likely caucus goer classification is based upon respondent claiming to be likely to attend, and past caucus attendance isn't verified, but even using their 7% margin of error. Richardson may be at 3% of likely caucus goers (that is consistent with the level of support I've seen on the ground), and Biden at 12%.

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Charlie Choklate — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:21:56 GMT

Amy B Portland, ME - Handsome picture of John Kerry there. I wish I could see him speak in Boston.

The one of him looking like an Umpa Lumpa is better:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=176917

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ANUTKRAKER, TX — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:27:06 GMT

Asad "If you want a woman president, there are certainly many many more qualified women in politics who aren't as polarizing or as robotic as Hillary. "

Your line is a very good line and I did not misunderstand nor do I think women are not qualified.I would just like to know who you think they might be. I have a good idea. There are at least 3, both republican and democrat.

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Morris Valentine — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:30:47 GMT

As a western Democrat, I share concerns about Hillary's electability. That's why I'm backing Bill Richardson. He's a western governor, with a terrific record encouraging private enterprise in his state of New Mexico; understands the Second Amendment is non-negotiable; and walks a well-reasoned line between the reactionary nativists who want to build a Berlin Wall between the US and Mexico, and the loonie leftists who think the US-Mexico border ought to be somewhere north of San Francisco.

You want an electable Democrat -- someone who can keep Rudi Giuliani up at night worrying? Vote for Bill Richardson!

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ANUTKRAKER, TX — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:36:15 GMT

Jerry,

Maybe, just maybe if you would drop the venom you could be considered a worthy debate adversary.
"Limp noodle cowering at that witch's feet" Maybe you are so threatened by the prospect of a woman president that you have to get caustic. How pitiful.
Oh, just so your tiny little mind doesn't twist things with unwarrented assumptions, I am not a woman or gay. I just don't believe it really makes a difference what sex our leader is. I really do believe most of the rest of the reasonable world thinks so also.

I also believe that if you were president, your first act would be to get all woman to wear Burka's

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:37:56 GMT

I have that picture of Kerry in his umpa lumpa suit on my computer wallpaper.

AHHHH let' see here. So what I gather is that you libs need a mommy. Someone that will tell you what to do, how to dress, what to eat, when to punish the kids and when to have sex so you can claim the baby bonds. I see, this is what the debate is about; you libs NEED to be told how to live your life.

Dana: 6+ years of President Bush has improved not only my life but the life of my family. Why would I want to trade it for a so called socialist paradise?

Just face it libs; the only reason people stay poor is that they are just too lazy to get up and a get a job and work for the American dream. I see a lot of you libs in here preaching to the choir, but you are too much out of tune.

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Lee Holmes — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:43:41 GMT

Nick:Your assertions are based in partisan projection. Not fact. Even todays New York Times,hardly a rightwinged mouthpiece for Bush,acknowlages [''The Rio Grande Rising''],that poverty is dropping and that the financial health of Hispanics and blacks continues to increase by every measure thus far made.
I have already warned liberals of the folly that they are flirting with here. Take unemployment for one instance,which has averaged less than 5% since 1997. Take this one indicator,and send it north even a few points,and conservatives will whip hell out of the John Kerrys of the world for creating more unemployment,thus gaining an opening in future midterm or presidential elections.

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Barbara C. — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:48:08 GMT

On Bill Clinton:

My sister is a registered Republican and will probably vote that way in the next POTUS election. But on Bill Clinton, she did say that what he has been doing lately with the foundation he is charge of is wonderful....

If you want to talk "Slick Willie" bring it on....and then we should also talk about "Slick W" and the Iraq War, which - and I am so sorry Greenspan back peddled on this, is about OIL and was always about the OIL.

Like his wife or not...Bill Clinton paid his dues and is doing something with the rest of his life. Thanks Sis for pointing that out.

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Dana, CA — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:56:11 GMT

Well Great Jerry, I'm glad to see that W has touched 1 family out there...How about all the families suffering in LA from Hurricane Catrina? Did you forget as conveniently about them as W did??? What about all those promises to get the state back in order? What about the promises to update the levies to help avoid another recurrence?

Where's the sympathy Jerry for the returning vets who have to suffer the Bush cuts to the VA prorgam and endure the environment like Walter Reed?

If you wanted to get a tax break because you feel you already contribute too much to the American Dream, ten bya ll means, continue to slander for the pathetic right.

Again, the rest of us here are picking up your slack for not doing more to reign in sorry bleep policies enacted by the do-nothing congress pre-2006 and the administration @ hand.

Don't worry though, we'll try to not bother you too much to do more for your country, your hand held out for a tax decrease already tells us that you neither care about improving the situation nor wish to have to think about others than yourself.

Just do all us strong Dems a favor and shut your trap, we don't need your insolence any more than we need another W lecture on outsourcing economics or global climate change. Us strong Dem's will do all the heavy lifting for you...

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Don, Sammamish, WA — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 19:08:49 GMT

New York Times columnist Paul Krugman has a new book called The Conscience of a Liberal. He also has a new blog of the same name (you may need to sign up if you visit this link): http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/introducing-this-blog/

The first blog entry I've linked to here has a fascinating chart that shows the richest 10% of America in total income over the last 90 years. It's one of the most eye-popping graphs I've ever seen. Clearly, the great income inequalities in America quickly reduced under the New Deal, and that trend lasted from the late 30's until, basically, Reagan, until now the disparity looms larger than ever.

What's the result of this disparity as we cry about Democrats and high taxes? We continue to give a free pass to the privileged few, while the middle class struggles, divisions widen, and apathy rules.

Why are people poor? Because we like it that way as a society. We sit on our butts while the rich stick it to us, and dream about being one of them someday.

There's nothing wrong with being rich. There's something about American individuality with regard to capitalism and enterprise that's among the most dynamic and productive forces in the world today. But we have to recognize when achievement turns into greed, and begin to think of our quality of life as a group creation, not a private goal. Do we gauge our successes by standards we really deem worthy, or by benchmarks we've simply accepted by default?

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Sierra, SF — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 19:16:03 GMT

ANUTKRAKER, TX: '...and I did not misunderstand nor do I think women are not qualified.I would just like to know who you think they might be. I have a good idea. There are at least 3, both republican and democrat....'

ANUTKRAKER, TX, how about Sen. Barbara Boxer ?
She's progressive, honest, not for war with Iran or Iraq.
Two of our local Representatives, Rep. Lynn Woolsey and Barbara Lee. Neither of those have taken dirty money. Neither supported war against Iraq, Iran or against American unions (ie. NAFTA).
That's three in northern California.
I'm really not familiar with other California Representatives.
Let's find someone without the baggage of Hillary: the lies, the scandals, the corruption......
No contributions from Norman Hsu that have to be returned......
Better yet, let;s support Obama or Edwards and hope they nominate a GOOD DEMOCRAT as VP (not Republican lite)

Barbara C:
Himmy Carter doesn't wait for the primary season to announce a foundation.
Barbara, don't you find it odd that Bill won't disclose his donors until AFTER THE ELECTION ??
What's he hiding ?

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Sierra, SF — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 19:20:01 GMT

Good post, Don, Sammamish, WA

I think the problem is materialism.

The best way to support a more equalitarian society is to support the union movement.
It's not perfect, it's very fallible, but it works.

Thanks for the post

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 19:27:28 GMT

Dana: Spoken like a true liberal from the left coast!

You seem to forget this congress is supposed to be the most ethical in history. Pelosi sank that boat when she didn't force William Jefferson out of office, plus she has her own problems with a cruise ship terminal and her husbands land next door, but I think I have chronicled that enough.

Why should I care about lazy, stupid people that do not get off their butts? Put down the Budweiser and chicken wings and go out and earn money. It's real easy when you are sitting at home and watching oprah and other idiots while I am out there chasing the american dream and living up to it's expectattions. In california, it seems only natural for a liberal, the state will take care of your needs whether you are legal or not, and they give you food and shelter and sell you grass if you are in pain. Sorry, but I don't want any part of that. I'd rather go out and prove that as a man, I can take care of my family, working an 8-12 hour day and let the guys who are either too lazy or too stupid stay home, abuse the wife and kids and take their (enter choice of drug or drink)and wait for Hillary to come and give them freebies.

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Don, Sammamish, WA — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 19:32:27 GMT

When were we talking about freebies, I forget? Please refresh my memory.

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Pete RePeet — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 19:35:35 GMT

>>> Us strong Dem's will do all the heavy lifting for you...

Okay, but your expectations seem high. How much can you do with a welfare check?

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L. Larson — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 19:59:18 GMT

Obama actually answers questions posed to him after thinking. The key is after THINKING - not just spewing the same rehearsed lines that are designed to steer us away from the actual question. If he can think AND cares enough to listen - he has my vote.

Hillary doesn't answer the question - often she changes the subject to avoid being unpopular. That 's what her experience has taught her. Most of her public experience is courtesy of Bill and she would likely be a nobody without him.

Obama says and does what he thinks is right even if it is unpopular. In his experience he has been very sucessful and has proven himself a man of the people. We have had many excellent leaders with less experience, and terrible ones with more. We need a breath of fresh air to breathe integrity back into this country.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 19:59:21 GMT

Sierra:

Support the union movement?
LOL

They got what they wished for at the car makers....
Power to control the medical.....

Now the question is, does a union have the brainpower to run it smoothly?

The Car people won, why take care of the medical files when the union can do it and they don't have to run anymore money into health care?

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Dana, CA — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 20:07:19 GMT

PLease Jerry,

You must have mouths wrapping around all sides of your head.

Why are you so insistant on blamimg the dems for everything here??? If I remember correctly, your party was the one in complete control for over 6 years.

I won't waste any more time schoolilng you on all the ills we suffer from under W's rule. If you so conveniently ignore all the problems wrought upon us by YOUR own party, then I'm glad to be from CA and as far way from TX as possible.

So again, step aside, let us fix healthcare for those in need, schools for kids that got left behind, government and the constitution that got trampled upon by your idols, and our reputation as a country that leads by example. Not one that condones torture, ignores world scientific policy on global climate change, and issues endless threats to middle eastern countries that had NOTHING to do with 9/11.

You see, I and others are discussing issues. All you seem to do is cast dispersions...look it up! Debate real substance instead of just attacking personal bias. I am guessing it's because you have nothing to cling to, other than the measly tax rebate W gave you what, 5 years ago?

Peace

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L. Larson — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 20:07:52 GMT

Jerry in Ciorpus Cristi, Just face it libs; the only reason people stay poor is that they are just too lazy to get up and a get a job and work for the American dream. I see a lot of you libs in here preaching to the choir, but you are too much out of tune

Got news for you, not all poor people are lazy. There are a vast number of people poor because of illness. How about grandma on social security? A bad marraige to a callous person like you can throw a person in a tailspin. We aren't all like you. Who knows, maybe one day YOU will be poor.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 20:55:47 GMT

Larson: I doubt it. At least I have My values and my work ethic. I've known people who's parents were on welfare and they had kids and they were on welfare and now their kids are on welfare. Liberalism is a disease.

If you are able bodied and strong, then there is no reason why you should not get up and go to work. But, oh no, Hillary will be president and she will let me sleep in and pay my bills and let me drink my beer in peace. So as long as people know there is a socialist state coming, then why get out and work?

California LOL. A place where they draw a blue line where the ocean is going to be in 10 years, gorilla racing, people on bikes terrorizing mom's in SUV's. yeah, it does sound like paradise. Only Don Henley said it best:

You call someplace paradise
Kiss it goodbye.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:06:22 GMT

Tom, you said: "FYI Black cacus endorsements is currently even since I assume Obama will endorse himself. He unlike Hillary is actually a member and not a "Johhny come lately wannabe". "

I'm going out on a limb here, but don't you have to be black to be a member of the black caucus? If that is the case, I fail to understand how Hillary could be a "Johnny come lately wannabe" to the black caucus, since she cannot be a member herself. What is it that she is coming lately to exactly? Being a black politician? Hm, not so much.

A little clarification, please.

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Anutkraker, TX — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:13:59 GMT

ASAD

Good Choices. I think that Diane Fienstien, Elizabeth Dole would work too.

I agree about the baggage

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bushsr — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 22:14:23 GMT

Jerry..by the seven dwarfs I expect you are talking about bush,cheney, rove, wolfowitz, rumsfeld,rice and patreaus

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josh billings montana — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 23:00:12 GMT

Every one keeps talking about Hillary's electablity. The thought that she is not electable is just uninformed. She won her senate seat while being out spent 2:1 and she took the republican attack machine head on. She is the only canidate on the dem's side that can survive the republican attack machine. Lets not forget that if the repubs. bring up the impeachment that the public solidly supported clinton in that affair. The public also supported him in the gov. shut down. And anyone that thinks that they can change washington with out a fight is down right wrong. Do you honestly think that the powerbrokers will just willingly give up their power. As for the west Hillary can easily win. Lets not forgett that last time Montana voted democratic was for her husband in 1992. The dems in west have been making strides because they have gone back to tradditionally democratic ideals of helping those who need the help and asking those who can help to do so. Hillary can and will be the First Female presient on the USA in Januar 2009

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Richard, Washington State — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 23:12:54 GMT

Dana:

Somebody (her name escapes me now)was trying to "fix healthcare" as far back as 1992. Schools and their poor performance were issues well prior to 2000 which just might explain why it was a campaign issue for both candidates leading up to 2000.

We were intervening militarily in several parts of the world throughout the 90's including devasting attacks on Iraq by the Clinton administration, which adopted the doctrine of regime change in Iraq.

Our image with the middle east countries has been unfavorable at least since November 4, 1979, especially in Iran and later in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan under the Taliban in the 90's. In 1983 somebody there hated us enough to kill a few hundred Marines in their barracks.

The circumstances under which we would be viewed favorably to some of these people are unacceptable.

Our reputation with Russia has been questionable for several decades and the Chinese barely tolerate us and have always considered themselves above us. Europe still gladly takes our tourist dollars and is competing robustly with us in the world economy, maybe even kicking our butt from time to time but by and large we haven't really lost any allies there for the long run.

So I wish you would waste your breath and tell us exactly what new ills George Bush has brought upon us that weren't already there. I know you can make some up but please accompany it with some substance, because that seems to be important to you.

The Hurricane Katrina (with a K) blame game doesn't fly with me and I've never seen natural disaster and personal tragedy used as shamelessly for political reasons as it has by Democrats against George Bush. Did you know there are still un-rebuilt areas of Florida from hurricanes in the 90's? I guess that's Clinton's fault, so why isn't he down there with Jimmy Carter building houses? Oh, he sent money there for other people to do it? Brilliant!

Did anyone else see the article in the past few days about the pace of dismantling nukes under our agreement with Russia (you know, the one that was made early in the Bush administration 12 or 13 years after the U.S.S.R. ceased to exist)? It has proceeded faster than originally projected. That actually is new.

Global warming is not new. George Bush didn't create it, he didn't exacerbate it and he isn't ignoring it, except in the minds of a lot of people who have a vendetta against him, not to mention those who are exploiting the whole thing for money, specifically some of those countries that have such a low opinion of us.

The greatest new contributors to global warming are India and China. I suppose it's Bush's fault that this has occurred under his administration along with a booming global economy and all the dangers that poses for all of us.

I'm sure something different would have happened under a Gore administration, but couldn't you just direct a little wrath at a couple of supreme leaders in those other two countries, too? They're sure not learning from our mistakes of the past 100 years.

Iraq is your only legitimate issue and it will always be an issue worth discussing among adults. Go ahead and blame that one on Bush. After all, he takes responsibility for it and always has.

So, your whole statement about all the ills brought upon us by George Bush is, in my opinion, B.S. and driven by your personal bias. Your arguments of "substance" are sound bites and talking points. Personally, I haven't suffered any ills under or as a result of George Bush. None to speak of under Clinton, the first George Bush or Ronald Reagan either. I've even survived Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy and a few years of Eisenhower. Life is good! (but I apologize for that.)

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D123 — Tue, 02 Oct 2007 00:00:59 GMT

I love how some people think the fact that the Black Caucus having 2 more endorsements for Clinton is a bad headline. It's just another version of "is he black enough." It's ridiculous. What did you think? The Black Causcus was just gonna instinctively endorse the "Negro?" Seriously, let's catch a freaking clue here people. These are career politicians who'd tend to favor people to whom they owe favors. I love how you media idiots try to pass yourselves off as some kind of experts. Also, I'm pretty sure there are plenty of fools in the Black caucus who are so crippled by self-loathing, dithering fear, that they've convinced themselves that a black man can never be president.

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Mark, Des Moines — Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:13:02 GMT

josh billings montana

Are you on crack?

You say:

"The thought that she is not electable is just uninformed. She won her senate seat while being out spent 2:1 and she took the republican attack machine head on."

Which campaign was that in 2000 against Congressman Rick Lassio? Wrong, Clinton had far more funding than Lassio. You forget either because of his prostate cancer, recent public divorce, or other reasons Rudy didn't challenge Hillary, and Lassio was always considered a weak long shot.

If you are talking about her re-election campaign in 06, she had a very weak opponent, the RNC did not help the guy, and even Republicans like Ruppert Murdoch knew Hillary had a cake walk and threw a fund raiser for her. She out spent her opponent in that race by an obscene margin.

"She is the only canidate on the dem's side that can survive the republican attack machine."

Based upon what facts? She is the only Democrat that will face vicious attacks, she is also the only Democratic candidate that will increase GOP turn out more than the GOP candidates can turn out voters.

"Lets not forget that if the repubs. bring up the impeachment that the public solidly supported clinton in that affair.The public also supported him in the gov. shut down."

The Clinton you are referring to is Bill, Hillary and Bill are not interchangeable. Also, there is a difference between thinking that Congress was on a witch hunt (which was what the majority -i.e. more than 50% of the public felt), and believing that Bill Clinton did nothing wrong lying under oath (it depends upon what the definition of is is), and having sex with an intern are two totally different matters.

"And anyone that thinks that they can change washington with out a fight is down right wrong. Do you honestly think that the powerbrokers will just willingly give up their power."

And what facts do you have to believe that Hillary can get anything done in Washington? She made so many mistakes in her failed attempt at health care reform, because it was her way or he highway. In the end nothing was passed. Sadly she could have gotten a plan (that she admitted at the debate last week in NH) passed that is basically identical to her plan now. Also look at her donor lists she is closely tied to the "power brokers"

"As for the west Hillary can easily win. Lets not forgett that last time Montana voted democratic was for her husband in 1992."

Again, put the crack pipe down, it is bad for you. OK, Bill, not Hillary won in 1992, what % of the vote did he get? Apparently he didn't win re-election in the state, could it be that Bill won Montana in 92, because a lot of people who would have voted to re-elect Bush voted for Ross Perot. Even Hillary's campaign doesn't think they can win in Montana, you've got a great Democratic Governor, and Tester is great too, but they are nothing like Hillary. I don't think any of the Democratic candidates could win in Montana.

"The dems in west have been making strides because they have gone back to tradditionally democratic ideals of helping those who need the help and asking those who can help to do so. Hillary can and will be the First Female presient on the USA in Januar 2009"

I shouldn't waste my time explaining why you have no clue. Your spelling and grammar speak to your intellect.

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olivia hart — Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:57:12 GMT

I guess we will all be thinking about capable Hillary and cheating BILL... On one hand if she as first lady can weather a cheating Presidential Husband and th fall-out that resulted....well we just know she could handle anythin...right? But then I find it interesting that no-spin is revolving around the supportive --first man (president Clinton)....what we expect of first ladies in reputation --well Bill just can't qualify.... I wish Hillary had just divorced him instead of encouraging a presidential marriage that is a sham.... Hillary is a lawyer, she is smart and frankily she is mor presidential material than her hubby Bill.... Her conduct and presence is remarkable...... HOWEVER if the two of them can't manage their marriage....I don't want either of them making decisions for me or my family.....Now OBAMA is a fresh face with new ideas--- he walks the line between two worlds---racism is no stranger to him---as both white and black have erred against him ...he has a moral code of honor, and carries himself with dignity...He want's to be president to truly serve the people...no smoke and mirrors....yes he may make mistakes ...but then... not the kind that get soldiers killed needlessly....We need someone who grew into a comfortable wealth....not an "old boys network"... Here in this country we have presidential families--"legacy politics" which just isn't working for us any more---lets bring back camelot....but without Marilyn Monroe ---(Clintonesque behaviors)...

Listen to the candidates speak...OBAMA clearly comes with conviction and heart... but this country may only see his tanned skin....and that is what concerns me.... ARE WE READY FOR CHANGE?!!!!

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May Grissom,Lemon Grove, Ca. — Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:47:21 GMT

Stop this war and turn off the stove top, WE want no more warmed over soup. It has taken centuries for some folks to learn what constitutes a man, who learns and who doen't. Obama is very much a man and an educated and experienced person qualified to be our next President. Age doesn't always mature one,nor ensure expertise. Stop the bus and let the Clinton's and Bush people off. We do not need to hear more of the flip flopping rhetoric.I think Obama and Edward will do America proud and will balance each other,providing OBAMA heads the ticket... Plus we won't have to worry about a clinton/clinton or clinton/bush or republican/democrat pay back of any kind. Let's go America and bring a change to our beautiful country.

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May Grissom,Lemon Grove, Ca. — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 01:07:39 GMT

Let's stop the bus and let the Clinton's and bush people off. Turn off the stovetop and stop the soup from being reheated. We need to stop this war and protect the children No one should have to go to war until he/she can vote and do what American Adults are allowed to do When they grow up. Americans stop letting the political game overwhelm you into thinking that Hillary is leading in the polls. The folks out there voting to fool you into these false
statistics. Remember only your Primary election vote will put the candidate in the lead. Make your vote count by voting to bring change and restore the failing vast institutions-education, health,marriage, economics etc. back to America. Stop the race war, too. It's not a one color, one dictatorship America anymore.We are so far behind other countries in leadership because we are not willing to change or accept change. In 2008, we can make a difference in the lifetimes of all people if we will just Give America a chance to elect a LEADER who is not a HASBEEN, whereas WE can all grow. Let's give America a chance to be represented with dignity, pride, and proper respect. Obama and Edwards We have them, we have been learning about them. Now let's face it. THEY are more experienced and far more ready to deal with the issues of America than any other candidates R or D.