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PAT, Huntington, NY — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:23:53 GMT

I can't imagine a negative thing to say about what Hillary said about recommitting ourselves to science and space. BUT..I'm sure the Jerry's and Sierra SF's out there will come up with something...stupid as usual given Jerry's lack of belief in global warming, Sierra's wacky obsessive distate for her.

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Bill C. — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:29:42 GMT

LOOKIE HERE...hillaryclinton.com

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PAT, Huntington, N.Y. — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:40:41 GMT

Maybe she's hoping to develop a Bill clone that will keep his zipper closed???

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nuanced — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:41:35 GMT

Woohoo, Science Rules!

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:53:45 GMT

well Pat.....

of course she is going to rescind it!

anything that has the word ethical certainly cannot be in the Clinton vocabulary!

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laughaday — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:09:59 GMT

Sooooo, Rudy is all for it too 'cause he was there on 911......

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Harold Jackson, Houston — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:10:24 GMT

Clinton talks a good game in her little circle of supporters. Maybe she should chill on the Bush bashing and just maybe more people would support her. Bush is not running again in case some didnt know.

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Susan, Miami — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:10:31 GMT

Ha! Pat, you called it on Jerry and this time he spouts only mindless drivel. Way to go Hillary! A breath of fresh air from a clear minded and intelligent person. Thank the Lord.

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the REAL PAT from, Huntington, NY — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:19:22 GMT

Whoever wrote "Maybe she's hoping to develop a Bill clone that will keep his zipper closed???" is not the real Pat from Huntington NY who wrote the first comment here and is a Hillary supporter. Seems the moderators here at MSNBC are not doing their job! That said, Jerry, what the heck are you talking about>

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a good American - who is also a woman — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:20:46 GMT

If she really admires Angela Merkel perhaps she should just call her a good leader instead of a good "woman leader". These are the very stereotypes she is supposedly trying to break.

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:25:08 GMT

You were right, PAT
Thanks for supporting the open exchange of opinion
From the LA Times:

'..At Wal-Mart, Clinton didn't upset any carts

As a board member, she touted women and the environment but didn't fight anti-union efforts.
By Stephen Braun, Times Staff Writer
May 19, 2007
BENTONVILLE, ARK. — At a Democratic presidential debate last month, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton described Wal-Mart, the world's largest retail company, as a "mixed blessing." She spoke from experience.

From 1986 to 1992, Clinton was a member of its board of directors, carefully navigating through a spate of internal policy concerns that now weigh on Wal-Mart's corporate image....'

'...Former Wal-Mart Stores Inc. board members and executives recall Clinton as a politically nimble insider....'

i.e an opportunist, 'on the make'
Someone who profitted from the misery of Walk-Mart employees.

'..who cautiously tried to nudge the company toward hiring more female executives and environmentally friendly practices, to limited effect, while remaining silent as Wal-Mart pursued anti-union strategies...'

Why would any union endorse Hillary ?
Given her anti-union assoications with Wal-Mart
and her 'union buster' advisor, Mark Penn ??
Why would any union endorse Hillary ?

'...Four times a year, Clinton would leave Little Rock, driven by Arkansas state troopers and sometimes accompanied by her husband, then-Gov. Bill Clinton, for a three-hour ride to Bentonville, the northwest Arkansas company town that sprouted up around Wal-Mart's headquarters....'

At taxpayer expense.....
To enrich herself, personally .....

'...Wal-Mart critics say her presence brought little lasting change to the firm. And former executives say she was not a voice for bold reform.

"She was not a dissenter," said Donald G. Soderquist, Wal-Mart's former chief operating officer and the board's vice chairman during Clinton's tenure. "She was a part of those decisions."...'

Hillary stood silent while Wal-Mart exploited it's employees !!
Hillary said nothing in response to Wal-Mart's anti-union policies.
No union, no health care, low wages for employees
the Wal-Mart 'family'

'...but it (Wal-Mart) has also drawn fierce fire from labor organizers who accuse the retail behemoth of union-busting tactics, poor wages and healthcare benefits, and mistreatment of female workers....'

While Hillary stood silently
Silence implies consent
Is Hillary a 'union baby' or a 'Wal-Mart baby'
Union Baby, why won't you answer the question ?

'..A request to interview Sen. Clinton was turned down by her campaign...'

Why is that ?
Why won't Hillary talk about Wal-Mart ?
PAT, Why won't Hillary talk about Wal-Mart ?
PAT, should Wal-Mart allow worker to unionize ?
PAT, what has Hillary done to allow workers to unionize at Wal-Mart ?

'..Clinton amassed nearly $100,000 worth of Wal-Mart stock as a director, much of which she and her husband placed in 1993 into a blind trust that they still maintain....'

She's done very well for herself with Wal-Mart !!
PAT, should Hillary divest herself from anti-union Wal-Mart stock ?]
PAT, has Hillary's relationship with Wal-Mart been unethical ?
What do you think, PAT ?

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Scary — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:27:19 GMT

Good God! 50 billion here, 110 billion there, another 35 billion here, and 15 billion there, plus $5,000 to everyone there. Were is this money coming from?

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NotALemming — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:31:30 GMT

After the smokers are taxed into quiting who's going to pay for all this money Hillary plans on spending? More importantly, when is the press going to start asking how she plans to pay for all these new programs.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:35:09 GMT

"Whoever wrote "Maybe she's hoping to develop a Bill clone that will keep his zipper closed???" is not the real Pat from Huntington NY who wrote the first comment here and is a Hillary supporter. Seems the moderators here at MSNBC are not doing their job! That said, Jerry, what the heck are you talking about>"

the REAL PAT from, Huntington, NY (Sent Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:19 PM)

It's a tactic that has been used to try to misrepresent me too, Pat. There really should be some way to prevent it. MSNBC has a moderator in name only, or so it would seem.

Van

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karlos — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:38:37 GMT

while we're on the subject of science let me raise the issue of biological research. recently the news reports no control of bio's by any department of the copanied handling these materials. after 911 the funding went from 41 million to 1.6 billion in this industry for relatively few companies. now when the anthrax attacks began i contacted the fbi and stated while this could be a terrorist attack i thought it was internal generated by someone with economic gains from such an attack, ie the increased funding which obviously materialized. i have always thought this was a form of economic terrorism by some individual with defense contracts to gain exploiting the 911 attacks. anyone?

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vanreuter, NY NY — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:47:37 GMT

Good God! 50 billion here, 110 billion there, another 35 billion here, and 15 billion there, plus $5,000 to everyone there. Were is this money coming from?

Scary (Sent Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:27 PM)

Thanks for asking...

Where have you been the past 7 years? The only time republicans give half-a-damn about fiscal responsibility is when democrats hold the purse strings.

We will roll back the top 1% tax cuts. We will decrease the OVER TWO BILLION DOLLARS A WEEK we spend on the Iraq occupation.
We will re-negotiate the Medicare drug debacle, saving BILLIONS.
We will restore some semblance of competence and fiscal integrity in the government agencies where cronyism and ideology have destroyed them from within.

That's just a start.

Van

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Here a Billion, there a billion, everywhere a.... — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:48:21 GMT

Got a job Scary?? Then it's coming from you, and me.

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H P Boston — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:49:06 GMT

FROM YOU jERRY!

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Rufus Gibbons, DC — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:50:51 GMT

Scary... From the same place the Bush welfare to the oil companies and Haliburton comes from to say nothing of the 9 billion a month being squandered on a lost cause. It is peculiar that the right wing thinks a one dollar increase in the minimum wage will bankrupt the country and a war of choice is just dandy. Your children's children will be paying for the Bush debacle.

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jjg, ms — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:53:21 GMT

Not a good start today, jerry. Everyone is on to you.

PAT - you think maybe jerry posted under your name with the zipper thing? Methinks sooo...

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Claud, Fort Wayne, In — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:53:41 GMT

No offense to anybody who supports her, but it's really easy to say you're going to come up with $50 Billion when you don't have it yet. Lets assume she's going to get into office, when the decision to spend that $50 Billion comes up, where do you think she'll spend it? In science that won't have a breakthough for 10 years or so, or in something that is going to keep her name alive in the history books?

I don't care if she's the first female president, if she doesn't do anything special she'll only be a footnote in American history. "Here's your first woman president...and she didn't do anything, moving to the next president."

All the Bush bashing is so she can try to hold herself higher then Bush is doing right now. It's like she's saying: "Hey everybody, look at me!! I'm in a brighter light then what our current president is, you should vote for me!! I'm cuter!" I think somebody better tell her she's not running for Cheerleader President, but for President of the USA.

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the REAL Pat from, Huntington NY — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:53:50 GMT

Sierra SF, what does Hillary's past experience with Walmart have to do with the subject of the article at hand? She's talking about recommitting the US to science like it did back in the 1950s during Eisenhower to combat the cold war and the USSR's initial space achievement...and you're talking about Wal-Mart? Sorry...no opinion since you're not sticking to the subject at hand.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:54:04 GMT

Scary:

Probably she has a link to the Chinese treasury....
But I think she will tax everybody making $40,000 a year at 28%. Her husband lied through his teeth about a middle class tax cut in 1992, why should anybody believe what she says?

Hillary never cared about unions until she decided to run for president.....

And to top it off, she has a union buster on her committee, yet the unions are just loving her.

Come to think it, didn't the unions sink further into the abyss during the first Clinton years?

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jus sayin — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:54:43 GMT

Imagine putting science ahead of dogma, who woulda thunk?

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Jeffersonian Don — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:59:17 GMT

Sierra , I would love to read some of the info. you have ,but its worthless unless you leave a spource for such .
The fact is that we as Americans are possed with a very serious choice of 2 ,and it may not be pretty ,but people better decide if they want more of the same or some kind of reform.
I am not pleased with the choices for candidates but the hard fact is ,as I have said before, we have had only 2 choices from the get go all others are fillers

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Jeffersonian Don — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:00:12 GMT

Scary , you and I ,you and I!

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Kevin Maguire - Boston, MA — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:01:30 GMT

If/when Hillary wins the dem primary, we will begin to see the real debate.

1. Tell us why the Clinton administration wrote an order (around 1995-96) that prevented the FBI and CIA from sharing information about known and suspected terrorists operating in the USA.

2. Tell us why you allowed Al Qaeda to operate freely after you knew their involvement in the 1994 WTC bombing?

3. You are married to the person that had the highest security clearance in the USA and had access to everything that we knew about Iraq. How can you say that you were lied to about WMD? Didn't you ask your husband what he thought before you voted?

4. Since 1992, you have lived and worked within 6 miles of the Walter Reed Hospital - a completely government-run healthcare facility. If you cared so much about healthcare AND the government was capable of providing better, less expensive healthcare than the private sector, how is it that WRH was allowed to operate with such terrible conditions?

5. It's been 15 years since your socialized medicine plan was totally rejected by the American people. If you cared so much about providing healthcare to the uninsured, why couldn't you figure out a solution that doesn't involve taking away private healthcare and medical choice for the majority of Americans?

6. During your campaign, you have stated many times that the USA should not be in Iraq and that we are wasting American lives and taxpayer dollars. In last week's debate, you said that you would keep troops in Iraq until 2013. Why would you keep troops in a hostile situation for 5 more years if it was a waste (in your opinion)?

7. During the mid-late 1990s, millions of middle-class Americans pumped trillions of dollars into phony companies via the stock market. Your administration knew full well about the fraud that was going on - pump and dump schemes, etc... The result was an historically massive loss of income to the middle class. Why didn't you do anything about this? After all, Enron, MCI, Worldcom, Tyco, etc... happened during your husband's administration.
These are just a few off the top of my head. I know some Democrats think she is unbeatable. Well maybe to Obama, Dodd and Biden - who all agree with her.

Wait until she gets to answer the tough questions. Say goodbye. Most Americans don't want to go back to the Clinton years - and not because of the embarrassing randiness of her husband.

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mark, Dallas, TX — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:02:17 GMT

Hey Scary..Hope your question " Where is the money coming from?" answered already.. If not, start looking inside your pocket."Good God!" is right, people, this woman is greedy, unrealistic, over exchagerated,and delusional. Geesh, doesn't anyone have to ability to focus beyond the rose colored glasses?!

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Dave, Tn — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:06:17 GMT

Where will the money come from? Cigarette taxes. Those damn dirty smoking poor people have to learn to stop smoking. Thanks Mississippi for having lower taxes on cigarettes

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Rufus Gibbons, DC — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:06:37 GMT

My ship was in San Francisco when the US launched it's first satellite after sputnik and Herb Caen in his column 'Bagdad by the Bay' wrote people are trying to come up with a name for the American sputnik I have heard some who want to call it goofnic and flunknic but i think the winner is Civil Service because it won't work and can't be fired. I still thought that was funny after I retired from the navy and went to work for the government.

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Bajanluv, Newport News, VA — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:12:41 GMT

Go ahead Hil, tell them all what they want to hear. We are such sheep.

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RH Oregon — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:16:15 GMT

"renewed commitment to scientific integrity and innovation"

The leftwing liberal definition of scientific integrity goes right out(or is that left out) the window when they start preaching genetically preprogramed homosexuality. Maybe the innovation is Bill's idea, he's still looking for a scientific solution to washing sputnik out of little blue dresses. And Hillary would not know integrity, scientific or not, if it bit her on the backside.

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juan,ft lauderdale,fl — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:20:01 GMT

I see Jerry how you wear those blinders when it comes to sleaze and lack of any ethics vis-a-vis Repuks but continues with your obsessive hate for The Clintons.

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the Real Pat from Huntington, NY — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:22:08 GMT

For those criticizing the amount of money spent on the space program, or that we have more important issues to deal with on earth, think about this: most if not all technological advances and many medical advances, came to fruition because of the space program. Technologies used for cell phones, computers, iPods, etc., were developed from research stemming from the space program. Same is true with various medical advances and technologies. So, next time you say, there's more important things to worry about than sending a man or woman to the moon or mars, remeber, but for our space program, you might not even be typing on that fancy computer of yours.

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H P Boston — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:22:48 GMT

Senator Clinton America's great hope for an intelligent leader of our Country. God would surly shed his grace on us with a do over on the last guy he spoke to!

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John Hancock, Boston ,Ma. — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:35:04 GMT

SCARY.... THE MONEY IS COMMING FROM THE 8 BILLION DOLLARS WE WASTE EVERY MONTH IN IRAQ, DEFENDING A CIVAL WAR. BY THE TIME IT TOOK ME TO WRITE THIS, WE JUST SPENT $200,000 MORE IN IRAQ FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:36:02 GMT

Pat:

my lack of belief when it comes to global warming?

There is a picture of a polar bear sitting on an ice island in Al Gore's Comedy "an Incovientant truth"

he says the polar bear is going to die......

but he forgets that polar bears can swim..........

and he is right next to a bigger ice flow........

plus the fact that Al Gore STOLE the picture and never paid royalties on it got him in trouble with the people that DID take the picture......

Plus Al Gore talks about jets and the fuel that pollutes the atmospehere when he flies around in a private jet himself......

I won't even go into the Chilean sea bass dinner LOL..

PETA (People against eating tasty animals) were outside the Erwin Center in Austin at his speech protesting because he refuses to go vegan.......

like I said: a real nut job

Plus the fact he might have won the election in 2000 if he had carried his own state LOL!

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Andrea Mitchell, Washington. D.C. — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:36:32 GMT

Lookie here..hillaryclinton.com

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:39:19 GMT

Van:

I can tell the difference.....

You must be making some hot money over at Media Matters/founded by Hillary Clinton.

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Jeffersonian Don — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:41:34 GMT

Good point Karlos, While some are political mongrels they have forgotten that Big money, Big government, And big industry continue to be the controlling factor in this country. We the people no longer have a say. We can only hope the lemmings wake up and take back what is ours.

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John Doe, The Peanut Gallery — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:45:06 GMT

"Bush is not running again in case some didnt know.
Harold Jackson, Houston (Sent Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:10 PM)"

Well Harold, while he might not be on the ticket, he definately will be associated with the GOP for many years. His Presidency has spot lighted the logical end point of conservative philosophy and the American people are seeing how incredibly bad at everything Republicans really are.

The only way for GOP candidates to shake the Bush monkey off their backs is to go in a new direction. Too bad none of the GOP candidates are capable of doing that. And even if they were capable, the party would disown them for disagreeing with the Dear Leader.

You guys have sown nothing but unthinking party loyalty over the well being of the country at large. And you're about to reap that harvest. Have fun in the political wilderness. =)

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Jeffersonian Don — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:47:19 GMT

I would also like to thank people like, Vanreuter, Pat, and JIrby to name a few who seem to posses the intelligence to talk issues and bring hard core reference material to this site. I may not always see eye to eye with their opinions about some subjects, but that does not mean I do not respect their intelligence. Thanks again.

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J.D. in California — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:48:01 GMT

I am beginning to warm up to the Hill. She would make a good president. That is what has the right wing and Sierra so scared. After running a very very well financed demonization campaign for fifteen years, if she does get elected they will suffer mightily. Not only will big pharma and the corporate HMO's lose profits but they will be shown for what they are, ineffective manipulators and greedy anti-americans. And, Sierra will lose his paycheck. (BTW, Sierra, do you get paid by the word?? geesh!)

It is amazing to see how, despite all the demoniztion from the right, and negative press coverage from our right wing controlled media, she continues to rise in the polls--not only in Democratic party primary polls but in match-ups with all the repubs. Americans are finally seeing through the distorted coverage and recognizing their own and America's own self interest.

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AOWaytogoOhio — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:50:54 GMT

Sierra, when are you going to therapy to find out why you detest woman so much?
Sierra, why do you rant and rave so horribly against Hillary when you don't even know her?
Sierra, why do you get all your untruths from Fox noise when you claim to be a democrat?
Sierra, why do you present an article written by a right winger who still supports Bush, Mr Stephan Braun?
Sierra, are you really a political hack being paid by the republican party?
Sierra, or did you forget to take your lithium to help stabilize your mood. Which one Sierra?

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jjg, ms — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:56:46 GMT

Wow! Romney with only $9 million for third quarter - and only 23,000 new donors. This is not looking good for the Republican party.

It is a shame that recent years of dishonest, unethical, bravado-strewn, bullying individuals have tarnished what was, essentially, a solid political party. It will take years to earn the citizens' trust back.

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James, downstate Illinois — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:02:16 GMT

It's refreshing to hear a presidential candidate discuss the value and power of science. The current administration has done a complete disservice to science and the scientific community. The way Bush has allowed science to be devalued is a disgrace. Using cronies to edit scientific research, trying to cast doubt on the global consensus on climate change, touting intelligent design as a legitimate subject for science education...These are just a few examples of Bush's gross negligence and/or willful mismanagement in the scientific arena.

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J.D. in California — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:03:51 GMT

Karlos, conspiracy theories will always be popular but hardly ever taken seriously. To suggest that someone used the anthrax for a profit motivated scheme--well, that could be the one time. I doubt it, but I wouldn't bet against it. First of all the person would have to be a sociopath to do such a thing. That only liberal democrats were targetted suggests someone with a right wing political past. The principal profiteers after the anthrax contamination were the companies that used gas sterilization to clean out the affected buildings. I believe these were relatively small companies that used a little known technology based on chlorine dioxide.

Maybe when the democrats get control of the Dept. of Justice, a real investigation can be conducted. If it isn't too late by then to gather evidence.

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MK,MO — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:06:26 GMT

if clinton wants to help medical research maybe she could let researchers slice up her brain so we could better understand how the criminal mind works, it would kill two birds with one stone

lets run this one up the flag pole and see what happens

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:11:48 GMT

I'd rather spend $50 billion on science and research that might actually benefit this country than the hundreds of billions we have spent in Iraq.

Accusing Democrats of being loose with the people's money doesn't fly in the wake of Bush's fiscal irresponsibility.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:15:09 GMT

I have more questions:

8. You have signed an order that your paperwork that is stored in a warehouse in Little Rock is not to be seen till after the November 2008 election. Why?

9. You claimed that at the DAilyKOS convention in August of this year that you were the founder of Media Matters. Others have claimed it was David Brock. Who did find it and if it was indeed David brock, why would you lie about that?

10. What tells America that you have the experience to be President?

11. Your husband recently threatened the editors at GQ magazine with witholding access to the Clinton family if they did not drop their story about fighting inside the Clinton campaign. The idea of your husband playing Tony Soprano frightens a lot of Americans that believe int he first amendment covering free speech. Do you believe in free speech Senator?

Your Husband was associated with a company INFOUSA, which sold lists to crooks that stole bank accounts from Alzheimers patients. Did you approve of this?

I could go all day, but here are some good questions during the debate with the GOP candidate.

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Larry, Albuquerque — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:26:20 GMT

The money is coming from all those Iraqi oil fields, remember, the ones that were going to pay for the war. Well since we have been paying for the war, the oil is owed us.

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Claud, Fort Wayne, Indiana — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:32:24 GMT

I believe the Wal-mart thing did have a date, time and place put on it.

"From the LA Times:

'..At Wal-Mart, Clinton didn't upset any carts

As a board member, she touted women and the environment but didn't fight anti-union efforts.
By Stephen Braun, Times Staff Writer
May 19, 2007"

I believe the reason that was posted was to show what kind of leader Clinton really is. Never look at the promises, look at the past. That's where all the answers about how well of a President anybody will be is at.

Hey Van...what's with all the "We will" stuff? Are you on the committie for good old HC? And personally, look at how our goverment is funded, you CAN'T take anything away from taxes, it all has to go to pay off the banks that loan us the money we use anyway.

She's already stated that she has no intention of taking troops away from Iraq, so how are we going to save money on that?

Medicare? Oh please, everybody and their sister has had an idea on that, and it has NEVER gotten fixed. Mainly because nobody can come up with a clear idea of what "fixed" is.

Kevin from Boston, I salute you. Keep looking at her past. Also note that "the embarrassing randiness" was mainly a ploy to keep the general public from looking at his polocy.

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Dan, St. Louis Mo — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:34:06 GMT

This is the first time I have seen all this. What a joke! Right after this submission i will switch my home page. These people are wacked. First i have to respond to the person with the zipper comment. Why is it the right immediately goes there on the Clintons. Ask yourself just how did this personal mistake afect you. Then ask how the multitude of Bush bluders have hurt this country and the generations to come. Oh I suppose i am going to hear how they are a Christian, well so am I. I just follow Jesus's teaching of let he without sin cast the first stone. Maybe this person with the comment would like to line up all the people who have extramarital affairs and send them to Iraq.
Thanks to the person who outlined the massive money will can save after duhbya is out of our lives. Won't it be a shame when we get back to spending our kids money on things that matter like health care. Finally these people afraid to pay a little more in taxes are the stingy ultra wealthy that have time to sit at home and write this garbage. Try and remember the people who work hard and support this country are too busy working. MSNBC you dissapoint me.

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Rick, WS, NC — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:39:34 GMT

I love the chickenhawks on the right who now want to question spending...blah blah blah...you clowns to the right of me had your chance and you blew it by being more concerned with our sex lives than economic lives...off to war with you chickenhawk spendoholics

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Liam SoCal — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:39:50 GMT

Wonderful statements, RH. The rightwing conservative definition of integrity is "everything we like, good; everything they like, bad". No matter how many neo-cons are proven hypocrites, there are those who continue to drink their kool-aid. As for your gay-bashing slur... why do you people continue to believe that homosexuals choose their orientation, when the laws against such were struck down relatively recently, and you could still be legally fired in 3/4 of the nation for such a "choice"? Pathetic.

As for Lemming (who always provides such rich fodder for rebuttal), Hillary plans to pay for these new programs the same way Bill did, the same way all politicians who actually know how to run a budget plan to: by repealing Monkey Bush's ludicrous tax cuts, and again imposing Bill's tax increase that led to eight years of unprecedented prosperity. Ending the trillions of dollars poured down the Iraq money pit will help too.

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Pat, Huntington, NY — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:48:51 GMT

Jerry, your global warming response is nonsensical. Luckily, there's more people out there enlightened over the subject than you are. My own father, a registered Conservative, read an Inconvenient Truth, and was converted to a believer of global warming because of the hardcore, indisputable science behind it. He's scared of the future his granddaughters face. Of course, you, someone who probably still believes that the world is flat and surrounded by vast oceans filled with serpant like sea-monsters, will never truly grasp the concept.

As for the others, Hillary's stance on this issue is refreshing...it moves us forward, as opposed to backwards into the dark ages of creationism and witch hunts and beliefs that dwarfs inside a person's stomach is the cause for disease. Just think of all the possible technological breakthroughs that a renewed commitment to space and science will bring. And yes, perhaps we will get that warp drive or hyperdrive if we go to Mars. If so, then we can put people like Jerry in a space ship, and send him back to the planet from whence he came.

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:50:49 GMT

Jeffersonian Don: '...Sierra , I would love to read some of the info. you have ,but its worthless unless you leave a spource for such ....'

It's right at the top, the LA Times !!
Feel free to read it at Latimes.com
It might open your eyes

'...The fact is that we as Americans are possed with a very serious choice of 2 ,and it may not be pretty ,but people better decide if they want more of the same or some kind of reform....'

Wrong !!
We have multiple choices, Obama, Edwards, Biden, Richardson ....
Two of these choices actually represent reform, Obama and Edwards
Both of them are anti-war candidates
Hillary won't commit to being out of iraq BEFORE Jan. 2013 !!
THAT'S NOT ANTI-WAR !!

There are many choices, Jeffersonian Don
Even the Republicans have an anti-war choice, Ron Paul !!

So Jeffersonian, if you're anti-war you have 3 choices: Obama, Edwards or Paul
I prefer the first two

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Deirdre — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:52:16 GMT

I too am warming up to Hillary. Shes by far the best candidate out of both partys. Shes tough and knowledgable and, like her husband does exceptionally well dealing with the swiftboaters. Those guys are rotten fellows, vets or not.

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:55:20 GMT

the REAL Pat from, Huntington NY: '...Sierra SF, what does Hillary's past experience with Walmart have to do with the subject of the article at hand......'

Nice weasel,Pat
You're afraid of Hillary's record
You're afraid of Hillary's stands because you don't even know where she stands.
Why did she vote for the Lieberman-Kyl 'Bomb Iran' bill ?............

So the REAL Pat from, Huntington NY is supporting the phoney Hillary Clinton from Illinois ? Arkansas ? New York ?

GET REAL !

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Jan, Nashua, NH — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:02:28 GMT

I really LOVE that science will be back under a Clinton administration.
George W. Bush seems to be allergic to facts regarding science. (Well, and maybe a few other topics...)

Has anyone noticed that none of us care about the crap that the Clinton Haters care about?

It's always some sick comment about sex, or a list of things that the GOP has ALREADY made us spend millions and millions and millions and millions of taxpayers dollars on, while at the same time coming up with zero, zilch, nada, nothing.

Clinton Haters are just getting BOR-RING. Go away. The adults are trying to discuss scientific research. You're intent playing with your friggin' zipper.

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JD in DC — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:09:14 GMT

More science. Faster development of a new spacecraft. No mention of additional funding needed to do either.

Wow, what a bold statement.

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Jeffersonian Don — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:13:41 GMT

The questions are all Conjecture, conjecture, conjecture. Until I see source material this is all so drivel! Van Can you help these illiterates? Jerry I noticed you have not mentioned a single viet nam era vet slur today . I am impressed!

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Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:15:35 GMT

Sierra you are as cracked as Jerry, if not more. So write in Ron Paul, who cares!

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ch, IL — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:24:28 GMT

One thing you have to say about Jerry and Sierra - they never let facts get in the way of their "arguments".

Meanwhile, those of us looking at this clearly know that Hillary is the best candidate in the race.

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Kevin Maguire - Boston, MA — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:25:26 GMT

To those of you who think that the low approval of Bush among Republicans and Independents will translate into votes for Democrats, you are mistaken.

Remember, his low approval rating is not all about the war in Iraq. It's about lack of border security, amnesty for illegal aliens, tremendous growth of gov't spending, whole new entitlement programs to do what other programs have failed to do and mostly his lack of engagement in debate about the things that conservative Americans care about.

It's pretty frustrating. But to go from a frustrated Bush voter to Hillary or Obama requires a lobotomy.

Who said "Right Wing-controlled Media"? What? Maybe if your TV only gets one station - Fox News.

It's a tough argument that the NYT, LA Times, Time Magazine, NewsWeek, US News Report, CNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, HOLLYWOOD, etc... are right wing or even balanced.

Now maybe someone like Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez or Vladimr Putin might consider US media to favor the right. Makes me wonder just how far left wing you are.

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F StLouis — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:31:08 GMT

Sierra, dems certainly don't need or want people like you. Go away and vote for anyone you want.You remind me very much of Joe Lieberman, pretending to be a dem when you're not.Talking about a PHONEY!

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Jeffersonian Don — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:32:53 GMT

Hey Van...what's with all the "We will" stuff? Are you on the committee for good old HC? And personally, look at how our government is funded, you CAN'T take anything away from taxes, it all has to go to pay off the banks that loan us the money we use anyway.
Claud, First of all the reason the GOP fought so hard and spent so much on smear toward the Clinton admin. Was due to the fact he decreased the national deficit to a budget surplus. Who owns the Federal Reserve Bank? I will give you a hint; it is not the federal government. The FRB is owned by individual elite business men with names like Rockefeller. How does a bank make money? Answer: interest. Why did the GOP who represent the elite in this nation, want him out? You guessed it! No deficit and no interest = no money flow in their direction.
Sierra:
The reason I insist there is no real choice, look to Texas where they had a choice of Bush clone Perry or Kinky. Now Kinky knew he was splitting the vote, but instead of giving it up he continued the race. Perry won re-election with only 30% of the Texas vote! A vote for Kinky was a vote for Perry, even if kinky claimed to be a Dem. To continue a good race is not always about the race, but about the horse.
I hope you can understand the statement I made, but it is simple where there is money there to shall your vote go.

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Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:33:04 GMT

Kevin you obviously NEVER watch anything else but Fox news. Stop blowing hot air, you are clueless.

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Peter, Pittsburgh, PA — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:33:26 GMT

jerry wrote, "Her husband lied through his teeth about a middle class tax cut in 1992, why should anybody believe what she says?"

The premise "Her husband lied through his teeth," supports the conclusion "No one should believe what HE says." It does NOT support the conclusion, "No one should believe what SHE says." You need to take a course in logic jerry. Quit subjecting us to your drivel.

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Kevin Maguire - Boston, MA — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:37:35 GMT

Liberals can't answer a logical question if they don't have access to "source documents". Conjecture? Do you even know what that word means?

To you, that may seem as good as a thoughtful answer. To the rest of us, we think it's weak.

Poor excuse. Hillary is married to Bill. Bill was the prez. The prez has a very high security clearance. There were dozens of news reports in the last 6 months about the terrible conditions of Walter Reed Hospital. It is located about 6 miles from the WH and Capitol Hill. Use google maps if you are suspicious. I don't have the sources. This is called "common knowledge". Jamie Gorelik (SP?) was the #2 person in Justice under Reno and wrote the rule about sharing terrorist data between CIA and FBI - see 911 Report.

I suppose that's why many of you are happy hearing Hillary's rehearsed and scripted say-nothing answers.

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Kevin Maguire - Boston, MA — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:42:03 GMT

There are 2 types of Democrats.

The vast majority are those who aren't very bright. Let's face it. Look at the demographics. The uneducated, unmotivated and illiterate are a huge segment of Democrat voters.

The other type of Democrats are those who think that if they were in charge of gov't (and had an endless supply of taxpayer money), they would be able to help the stupid and unmotivated people (see Democrat type 1) be successful - despite the lack of any socialist/communist success stories.

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Kevin Maguire - Boston, MA — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:47:19 GMT

Hey G,

Maybe in your circles, calling someone a name is just as intelligent as making fact-based counterpoints. Many of us see that as a lack of intelligence.

Yes, I watch Fox. OOOhhh... I must be evil. I watch everything else also - even former Clinton aide Stephanopolous. So according to you, Stephanopolous is part of the righ wing - controlled media?

What is the "G" for? G, I was going to make a point, but I forgot?

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Hanoi Sally Madison, WI — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:07:55 GMT

Peace my fellow DEMS. Let's not argue among ourselves. Don't forget it's the Capitalist pigs and Corporate America that are destroying this country. Leave the fighting to the Jews and Neo Cons who have forced the Muslim fighters upon us. Vote for Edwards and bring our troops home!

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Jeffersonian Don — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:25:20 GMT

Kevin, my God man have you actually read your statement. Source material is relevant in any case where conjecture is used. Without source material one cannot hope to discern the truth from fiction. Logic dictates that to come to a decision of reasonable thought one must use all venues of material at ones disposal. I am very sorry that some of the words I am using are too large for your vocabulary ,but the choices we make today will most certainly benefit or bite in the future .You had better start your research soon or reap the whirlwind.Is that logic enough or shall I quote Occam's razor.

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Really Scary — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:38:17 GMT

So Hillary is going to pay for all of her new programs with the money from Iraq? So your saying she is going to take the money being spent in Iraq that you says is going to put our grandchildren in debt and spend it on Universal Healthcare at $110 Billion a year (increasing every year); plus pay for all her other programs too. So like bad credit card debt she is just going to switch it from one card to another plus open up another credit card account. Mean while we won’t ever have to spend anymore money on defense or overseas because everyone is going to love America and not want to hurt us. Now I see how you Liberals think.

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Really Scary — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:51:28 GMT

So Hillary is going to pay for all of her new programs with the money from Iraq? So your saying she is going to take the money being spent in Iraq that you say is going to put our grandchildren in debt and spend it on Universal Healthcare at $110 Billion a year (increasing every year); plus pay for all her other programs too. So like bad credit card debt she is just going to switch it from one card to another plus open up another credit card account. Meanwhile we won’t ever have to spend anymore money on defense or overseas because everyone is going to love America and not want to hurt us. Now I see how you Liberals think.

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Kevin Maguire - Boston, MA — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 21:04:08 GMT

That's right Hanoi Sally. We deserved 9/11 because we brought it on ourselves.

I wonder if your "fellow DEMS" will agree with you?

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 21:13:25 GMT

Jerry - Free speech has nothing to do with the GQ situation. Bill (and Hillary and Chelsea and any other members of their family) are not required to give GQ or any other magazine ANY access to them. Period. It's perfectly legitimate for Bill to refuse to give a magazine access to him when said magazine has trashed his wife. Do you give business to people who trash your spouse?

Yes, he couched it in terms of "If you do this, then I won't give you access." Big deal. He was giving GQ a choice. They chose access to Bill over trashing Hillary.

By the way, in case you didn't realize it, Bill is not the government anymore...so there is no free speech issue even involved here.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 21:15:11 GMT

The questions are all Conjecture, conjecture, conjecture. Until I see source material this is all so drivel! Van Can you help these illiterates?

I made a point-by-point rebuttal that hasn't been posted, working around the less than fact based assertions of the questions posed. Maybe it will show up, or maybe it has been caught in the filter that allows racist, sexist and ad hominem attack posts to slither through.
It doesn't matter in the long run, as there will be many other chances; This board often resembles the movie, "Groundhog Day", in the senseless repetition of the same questions and assertions.

Van

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Rufus Gibbons, DC — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:42:36 GMT

RH Oregon There have been homosexuals since biblical times. The American Indians had homosexuals they laughed at them and had them ride on horses facing the tail rather than the head. I don't think there were a lot of left wing liberals back then. If all the closet gays in the republican party were replaced by democrats we would have a veto proof congress'

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diane — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 23:24:25 GMT

I don't believe anything that woman says or the pandering she does that is so obvious.
Yet, you guys go on with your propaganda supporting her even when she refuses to sign a pledge to not torture.
I cannot believe that the media ignores something this important and keeps it from the mass of people while touting the shallow stuff that promotes your girl.

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diane — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 23:28:17 GMT

AOW, I agree alot with Sierra. She is usually spot on with her information about Hillary.
And if you ask her why she hates Hillary so much you will have to ask half the democrats, myself included, the same thing.
And believe me, we have our reasons. They are long and many. But, let's just start off with Hillary is Bush in a pantsuit.
And if you don't agree then, ask your girl why she supports torture.

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Thomas Henderson, Plano Texas — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 03:03:17 GMT

Man, this B*itch can spend money.

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nuanced — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 04:15:41 GMT

just like all the Republican programs it will pay for itself. Increased investment in science, medicine and energy independence will generate increase commerce, reduced medical bills and reduced energy bills and pay for itself 10 times over. Unlike the Republican scams (Laffer curve will bring in more revenue when taxes cut, war will pay for itself, business will invest the tax cuts, etc.) and will really pay for itself.

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jdr — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 05:13:22 GMT

TYPICAL HEADLINES:
"Hillary Vows To Win War on Science"
"Hillary Wins Campaign Finance Victory"
"Clinton Renews Health Care Reform, Assures Victory"
"Hillary Way Ahead in Poll"
"Edwards Takes Jab at Clinton"
"Obama Lashes Out at Clinton"

Good for what Hillary is saying about science but her comments are obvious. Edwards and Obama certainly concur with her.
The problem is the media is so slanted and out to manufacture a Clinton victory that it is ridiculous. The reporting on policies proposed by Edwards'or Obama's often ignore content and take blurbs out of context in order to generate controversy.
Clinton sings the songs of change but we need to beware. If she gets the nomination her running mate will probably be Lieberman.

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Richard, Washington State — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 05:28:43 GMT

Hillary's just doing Bill here, for once. Say what sounds good (yeah, Monica, that's great, I love cubans) and worry about the consequences later. Get what you want now and who cares who you screw later, or don't have sexual relations with later, whatever.

Go Hill Rodhim/O'Doddobama!

Carrie: We already do that.

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Richard, Washington State — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 05:29:25 GMT

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Richard, Washington State — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 05:31:44 GMT

Oops. Might have done a J. Merlstan redundancy there. Sorry!

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FStLouis — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:28:22 GMT

Kevin,Iraq was Bush and the neocons war and they conned lots of people, including you into believing there was a reason for it. Therefore, Mr Kevin s----forbrains Maguire, go have another pint of guiness to soak your alcoholic Irish brain some more and stop posting your foolishness boy!

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Students at UNF — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:30:27 GMT

Hillary is by far THE best candidate out of all of them. Many men can't stand it that a female will be our US president. Well, tough. Shes going to win..

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Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:07:55 GMT

We agree with Sally...as a country all of the morons who voted for the moron Bush(Kevin), and so I guess we Americans brought it on ourselves in a sense.

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Fran Mertery — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:09:10 GMT

FStLouis-- Kevin,Iraq was Bush and the neocons war and they conned lots of people,

Wouldn't so much call it conned. More like abusing the retarded.