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HMT-MI — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:40:25 GMT

both of these guys suck----why bother making an opinion---the media will decide how great they are

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--NSMSNBC — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:56:15 GMT

I am really beginning to dislike the politics of Rudy G., as if I didn't before. Everything is so gimmicky (the Hillary Bonds, the Lawyer Test for National Security--I can't wait to see what prop he pulls out for that). This is equivalent to the Bush-Cheney politics that I disliked 7 years ago and again 3 years ago--come up with a negative but catchy term to use against your competitor. Sadly, it appears that the American citizens are none-the-wiser and just don't learn. Ditto to foreign policy. You make me sick stupid people; maybe if our education system were better.

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Class Warrior, D.C. — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:59:09 GMT

Mittster: "Bring lawyers, guns and money---get me outta here!" (Warren Zevon) At least he's hesitating---Bush would strike first, make up lies later, and only send the lawyers in to explain why the protesters are being sent to Eastern Europe to be tortured.

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Jaye — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:10:49 GMT

Right. Romney goes to lawyers to tell him what is best for the American people. oh man.

THANK YOU ADMIRAL NATTER!

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George, Houston, Texas — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:11:49 GMT

What wrong with asking help from different people??? The more people the better, even if that includes lawyers.

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R.Merrell — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:13:50 GMT

The Constituition doesn't mention consulting with Presidential attorneys (Gonzales?) or the necessity of getting their approval before declaring war. The right to declare war rests with the Congress, not the president and a group of lawyers. Romney's answer exemplfies the muddled minds of these Republican candidates.

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Susan, Miami — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:19:27 GMT

I can't wait til its Clinton against Guiliani and the pictures of Rudy dressed up like a drag queen several times, surface again. OH MY its going to get dirty! The problem the repubs have is that the Clintons can fight just as dirty(or dirtier) as Mr Roves republican smear machine. It will be interesting.

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Pete Caloger Bushkill PA 18324 — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:32:05 GMT

Romney is more pathetic than most other politicians when they are on the defensive. Keep it up, Team Rudy, and get rid of this vapid nobody. A phonier and more marginal candidate from either party I cannot remember.
Oh, and don't worry Rudy, you're next.

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Rufus Gibbons, DC — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:39:41 GMT

Guiliani = Bush light.

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twostepcub — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:44:05 GMT

nice that they're having a pi**ing contest about who's gonna take us to armageddon first.

self-righteous faux-man tools.

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Bob Pomeroy, Bisbee, AZ — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:44:54 GMT

I recall his father's campaign collapsing after he announced that he's been brainwashed about Viet Nam. It was a great loss to our country. The press, as in the present matter, by sensationalizing bits and pieces from a statement contributes to this sort of loss. Not that I think Mitt is on a par with his dad

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amy new jersey — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:44:55 GMT

I dont even know why they bother campaigning. Who in the hell would want to vote for a Republican after what this country has been through for the last eight years with a Republican????? All they want to do is opress us further with their version of family values ect. We dont need any moral lessons or more rights taken away. LET THEM ALL GO HOME!!!

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Tim M, Ithaca NY — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:46:58 GMT

Its kind of a moot point, we will already be at war with Iran by the time the next president takes office, assuming Bush doesn't cancel the election and declare himself president until the war on terror is over.

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Joe Wren, Clemson, SC — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:49:01 GMT

Prejudice aside, Romney is clearly the one candidate in the field with complete Presidential qualifications - its time we all recognized that like I now have.

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Michael, Savannah, Georgia — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:51:28 GMT

how about Ron Paul's statement:

"...open up the constitution..."

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juan,ft lauderdale,fl — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:51:31 GMT

Terrific now Romney thinks it okay to consult with lawyers to invade Iran. Lets the neocons continue to riddle away at our constitution. CONGRESS IS THE ONLY BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT THAT CAN DECLARE WAR AND FUNDING. Granted both Democrats and Republicans have forgotten that with Korea, Vietnam, secret bombing of Cambodia/Laos, Granada, Panama, and now Iraq.

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Jared, Houston, Texas — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:53:52 GMT

This is a summary of Romney's remarks last night? You've gotta be joking. Other than this remark by Romney he aced every question and in my opinion he is the only competent candidate on economic issues.

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Cory, Austin, Tx — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:56:37 GMT

Re: "Going to war is the most serious decision a president can make."

WRONG! Going to war is NOT nor has ever been a decision the President can make. The President doesn't get to decide to go to war - period! What slip-n-slide interpretation of the constitution are we reading? Let me rephrase the above correctly:

"Going to war is the most important decision the president WISHES he could make, but can't since it's spelled out in the consitution. What to do with the troops after CONGRESS has decided to go to war is the most important post-decision decision the president CAN make."

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GTS, Dallas,TX — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:00:20 GMT

Agreed, there support is from the media(their buddies ownership of these groups). Why would the middle class that decides this election elect a person who is a major investor, lead by foreign and elite investors groups to get rid of all the US operations of the big companies for the sake of the stock being high. Then why in their right mind would anyone choose a mayor that the true heroes of 911 teh firefighters didnt even get working radios from his office to protect(that killed more than a hundred since the had no way to know to get out in time), Second these guys were lied to with other rescue people about the dangers of the site and were never given proper protection. And this guy is the hero of 911? Sounds more like an incompotent boob, that was sitting in the office, when this tragedy took place and try to take credit for the real heroes efforts. Too much sounds like Gores claim he invented the internet or the congresses claim that tax plans somehow caused the year 2000 fear.

All i get from Rudy and Romney is the con game...

There is no way we in our right minds should ever support souch scoundrals when the other guys really care and actually have a pattern of doing stuff for the people instead of autocratic nonsense.

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Barbara C — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:03:23 GMT

Somebody needs to tell "Saint Rudy of 911" that his schtick is getting as old as the recent poll shows on National Security and how the country feels about which party is the leader on it. Rudy is as arrogant as President Bush, and that is why he is leading the pack this early on.

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Zonker Harris — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:03:43 GMT

Going to war is the most serious decision a President can make?
Last time I looked, the power to declare war was vested in Congress.
But what the hell did the framers of the Constitution know?

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Alexia, NY NY — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:07:11 GMT

The whole reason the Constitution says that Congress needs to declare war is to keep a single man from having too much power. These guys are far more dangerous to our country than the third world vagabonds that they're obviously terrified of. I"m just amazed that somehow all the candidates think that the President is the Supreme Leader. Did none of them pass 7th grade history?

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Kenneth, Richmond, VA — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:12:06 GMT

Whats the point of all this anyway. Acording to the media its all over after Iowa anyway. The rest of the 49 states do not even count...

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Steve, Sterling, VA — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:20:17 GMT

Giuliani's response that "Going to war is the most serious decision a president can make" is irritating. The U.S. Constitution grants the power to declare war a power of the Legislative Branch of our government, not the President. The Congress made a mistake allowing the President to make the decision to go to war, and they should not follow that example again.

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Joe, Clemson — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:25:00 GMT

Is there any particular reason you didn't post my comments from an hour ago?

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david — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:29:23 GMT

I think the point that Romney was trying to make, and it is a much deeper and more valid point than he is being given credit for, is that Congress does not control the running of the Executive Branch, unless the Congress happens to have unhappy Democratic Party members, who if in the minority, will find corrupt Democratic Judges to rewrite the Law, or if in the majority will reinterpret the Constitution for the President. Thus, the President, if he's a Republican, will need lawyers to know which way the wind is blowing with the Democratic Congress today ...

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Rob Frasconi, Pittsburgh, PA — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:32:38 GMT

Matthews' question did not regard exigent circumstances; an attack on a nuclear plant is not an attack on a "fleeting" target.

Matthews' question dealt primarily with what branch of government under the Constitution has the power to declare war. That power resides in the U.S. Congress.

Both Romney and Giuliani disqualified themselves last evening, with Giuliani now trying to outrace Romney in the unconstitutional sweepstakes.

The media hype over Fred Thompson's first appearance in a debate was answered resoundingly by Fred Thompson. Unfortunately for the lamestream media, the ill-prepared Mr. Thompson was a resounding dud.

The most humorous point in the evening came not when Romney made a crack about "Law and Order"; it came when the economically illiterate John McCain commended the reading of "The Wealth of Nations" to Ron Paul. Absolutely sidesplitting, that John McCain.
For McCain and Brownback to praise Federal Reserve chairmen Greenspan and Bernanke as economic sages is laughable. Don't those two understand one word that Ron Paul is saying? I guess not.

For their edification, they should read Dr. Paul's blog and the best book on the perniciousness of the Fed ever written, G. Edward Griffin's "The Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at The Federal Reserve." http://www.realityzone.com/creature.html

I almost felt sorry for the utter ignorance displayed by McCain and Brownback on the subject of monetary theory. Almost.

The central dichotomy faced by the Republicans is this: How can a party that espouses constitutional, limited government — and the limited expenditures implied by that core principle — call for an activist, interventionist foreign policy that implies unlimited, ever-increasing expenditures? As the positions are mutually exclusive, simultaneously advocating for both policies is intellectually dishonest.

By espousing a non-interventionist foreign policy, Ron Paul is the only Republican to answer that question.

That is why the Ron Paul Revolution is a force to be reckoned with. Its powerful message is gaining ground and supporters.

Maybe, just maybe, America is on the cusp of a restoration of our true heritage -- Liberty and Freedom.

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Patricia L Hammons — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:36:19 GMT

we have pre-law, pro-life, and now post-mortum...show me the table where the brief lay its life down. Mark 13:23

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Dan N — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:43:49 GMT

The Romney answer was fine.
Congress must declare war but the Q was "military action". Like for example Clinton's "mini cruise missle" attack on Iraq. No congressional approval required. It is appropriate to consult with congress if it is not too time sensitive actionable intel but the Prez has significant lattitude to act quickly when need be. For good reason.

As for consulting lawyers..this is also fine. To his credit, Romney is NOT a lawyer and the war powers act are some complicated legal writings. Makes sense to get a legal, military, NSA, CIA, FBI, senate intel etc. opinions. He made it clear his priority is to protect Americans so it is assumed in the response that this could superceed legal advice if required.

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Blue state baby — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:49:00 GMT

Amy new jersey, You'd be surprized how many idiots there are in this world, and most of them do vote republican.

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Brad, Fort Myers Fl — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:50:00 GMT

Rudy Giulani cites his position as a strict constructionist as though it were something to be proud of. "I took Bill Clinton to the supreme court on the line-item veto and I won!" Congratulations little man. You've ensured that legislation that is well thought out and potentially effective will always bear the burden of "pork-belly" add-ons. These clowns will do almost anything to do mostly nothing, and then trumpet their lack of achievment as though that sucking void were the spoils of a just and noble war. I tip my hat to you gentlemen, and then set it afire.

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Cory, Austin, Tx — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:54:50 GMT

Dan N - how about this "sniff test?" If another state/nation launched even 1 cruise missle to a target they deem hostile/negative on American soil, let alone 75 cruise missles - would that be "a military action?" (Hey, USA, we're not going to "war" with you. Just doing a little "military action." No biggie.)

Or, would that, as any rational person would note, be an "act of war?"

Answer B? Hey, Congress, how 'bout that decision? Turns out launching missles is kinda "war-ish."

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wayneTx — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:01:51 GMT

Since we are going to have to go to war with Iran, because we can't let them have nukes. Any of these republican candidates will be better than the whimpy liberal bleeding harts. Iran and nukes would be the end of Isreal and then the US.

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Patricia L Hammons — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:10:39 GMT

Presently speaking, how far out there do we have to go to prove relativity. Provision. John 17:17

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Ralph Baum — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:11:46 GMT

When will the American Sheep, called citizens wake up and stop being lead around each election by this political gimmick called Democrat vs Republican.
All politicians are lawyers and all have a stake in oil or big business. The propoganda they both spew out has and always will be designed to keep voters in a constant back and forth mode while they get fat and rich off the backs of the enslaved population. Thats right!! enslaved. The 16th Amendment to The Constitution ended any real true Freedom and Democracy of our great Republic the minute Congress illegally announced it to be so. Even without the proper 3/4 ratification (NOT 2/3 as some believe) but rather the 3/4 of the states ratifying it. The Federal Government in the middle of the night took it upon itself to dispense with participatory government and simply amend The Constitution of The United States thus making economic slaves of us all. This then required that they use the two party system to keep us voting back and forth, left to right and so on and so forth. How do we end this tyranny and ecomonomic terrorism inflicted by these government thugs? It is very simple, put a referendum on the November 2008 ballet calling for the repeal of The 16th Amendment and see how fast our tax and spend (blow your money recklessly) government shrinks to a managable size and then is required to live within it's means.
These career politicians would be in massive financial and power hungry withdrawls and suffer from political D.T's
Then let us elect, not Dumbacrats or Reflublicans to government positions, but real independent centrist Americans like the guy next door to run our country and live like the real free people our founding fathers envisioned for us. Face the truth American SHEEP!! We no longer have a government of the people, by the people or for the people. We have a GOVERNMENT OF THE GOVERNMENT, BY THE GOVERNMENT AND FOR THE GOVERNMENT.

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Patricia L Hammons — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:18:34 GMT

Presently speaking, how far out there do we have to go to prove relativity. Provision. John 17:17

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Patricia L Hammons — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:26:55 GMT

The point..."am I worthy today, to stand and fight". Romans 3:19

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Patricia L Hammons — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:37:07 GMT

...Give me death.....Patrick Henry "had" the idea, where do I sign up. Hebrews 6:19

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Will Hayes, Chicago IL — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:44:12 GMT

Not one candidate mentioned any serious cuts in government spending. The size of the government budget has doubled inthe last seven years. You'd think they could come up with some cuts. They are all, lacking true vision, just trying to buy votes...just like the Dems. Only Ron Paul wants to cut the mammoth size of federal government.

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Patricia L Hammons — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:52:11 GMT

"The Church declares that the concept of massive rtaliation should be rethought and be repudiated."

"The Church's Attitude Toward Questions of War and Peace," Report by Department of Christian Social Relation of Protestant Episcopal Church, October 1962

"The World Treasury of Religious Quotations"
Ralph L Woods
1966 LC#66-15355
Page 1046 bottom right hand column

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Matt Akron OH — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:56:48 GMT

I feel like I need a shower every time that slick used car salesman Mitt Romney talks. What a phony.

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JD Chastain — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:03:50 GMT

Too MANY LAWYER opinions now. Do Law schools and law books teach how to fight a war.

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Brent — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:09:51 GMT

Prefer Mitt Romney.
He would do a great job.
None of the candidates are perfect. Each perspective above would indicate that along with every other voter and non-voter.
The issue is whom you would vote for and why.
I like romney capabilities and disposition in general.

I like some points and similar qualities in other candidates though romney has a better package in my opinion.
can't say I care for the media and some of the questions presented as there non-relevant questions. Questions designed to entertain rather then help us get to the point of selecting the next President. Atleast some attempted to get their message out.

I will say that people are mis-construing remarks of all these canidates to validate their own position. Thats normal of course but you may want to re-think that because your vote counts. Would like to get the best candidate into office.
I say that out of respect and courtesy to other countries as well.
The more unity we can create the better off we will be as a whole.
We really need more statesman type politicians. We have some selfish groups out their with some good intent but doing the right things for the wrong reasons.
All I can say is get a President into office that can do a good job and that cares. Mitt Romney has proven day in and out that he can get a job done extremely well wether business, church or personal. He cares more about those around him then he does himself.

Too many other candidates that are looking for power and represent their parties and investors before their country, consitition, and God or No-god.

As they say"nobody cares how much you know until they know how much you care"

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Cal, Chico CA — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:11:15 GMT

Giuliani sounds more and more like George Bush every day. Both he and Romney seem to be trying to emulate Reagan with their whole "happy talk" campaign but after 5 years of "happy talk" on Iraq from the Bush administration I can't see how this tack will do anything but backfire.

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Patricia L Hammons — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:13:37 GMT

The Puppeteer?....Nahum 2:13

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Robert, Paramus NJ — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:14:59 GMT

Everytime I see Romney Im reminded of those guys in the old west who peddled snake oil and other cures out of the back of a wagon. He is just too slick for me to accept that Im not being sold something that under the surface is not what it seems.

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Andy, Miami, FL — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:25:02 GMT

We've had debates on economics, "values", and foreign policy. Why not one on the Constitution? After all, whoever becomes president will be swearing under oath to uphold it as America's highest law. Let's see if they know or even care what it says. Otherwise, we might find ourselves giving the car keys to someone who doesn't know how to drive or even care what the rules of the road are.

Rudy Giuliani thinks the line item veto is unconstitutional, but not the invasion and occuaption of another country without a congressional declaration of war. Mitt Romney would consult with his lawyers but not Congress, the lawmaking body of the land and the representatives of the people, before making such a decision... despite it not being his to make. If we are to follow the Constitution, Congress must declare war before the president can wage it.

Whatever their "disagreements", these candidates do seem to agree on this: the job of running this great republic should not be divided into branches or levels of government, but should be the province of one man. How far we've come since the birth of our nation.

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threeriverscrossing — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:28:07 GMT

Aye mate, this man has presidential timber and does not suffer fools lightly. The worst of our breed of humanity, life sucking, drink your blood, head scalping Lawyers! Does Mitt not know any bound of human kindness!

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Al , Philadelphia — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:32:47 GMT

All presidents (yes, even republicans) ANYWAY consult BOTH lawyers and foreign diplomats and tons of other people before going to war. Giuliani would do the same. He just wants votes from stupid people who have no idea how presidents work.

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granddaddy — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:40:38 GMT

SO EVERYONE IS ATTACKING GOV. ROMNEY ON HIS STATEMENT "HE WOULD CONSULT HIS LAWYERS BEFORE HE CARRIED OUT AN ATTACK ON IRAN". OKAY HE CARRIES OUT THE ATTACK ON IRAN AND DOES NOT CONSLULT HIS LAWYERS, THERE WOULD BE HELL TO PAY. THE DEMOCRATS AND WEAK REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE & SENATE WOULD BE BESIDE THEMSELVES. AMY I AM PROUD TO VOTE REPUBLICAN, BLUE STATE BABY MUST BE AN EXPERT ON IDIOTS & J D CHASTAIN IN LAW SCHOOL YOU ARE TAUGHT HOW TO PICK OUT THE CORRECT ISSUE AND THE ISSUE THAT EVERYONE IS WRITING ABOUT IS NOT IF LAW SCHOOLS TEACHES HOW TO FIGHT WARS BUT IS IT LEGAL TO ATTACH ANOTHER COUNTRY. J D CHASTAIN I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN LAW SCHOOL.

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Jason, Atlanta, GA — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:45:06 GMT

One of the most telling tales of what type of person and leader a person is, is how he or she can run their own lives, family, and homes. Look at what Rudy J's personal life "married 3 times" looks like and how can we expect him to keep a nation above water when he can't do it with his own family.

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Ralph Baum — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:54:23 GMT

Big Business like oil companies raise the price of gas to over $3.00 a gallon and then overnight drop it back to $2.65 This is so the average American will be brainwashed into thinking that $2.65 is cheap for a gallon of gas.
Remember that on Sept 11th 2001 some gas stations took advantage of the situation and raised their regular gas prices to $3.00 a gallon. Later the Government fined them for using the event to gouge American consumers!! This same switch and bait technique is being used by the Republican and Democratic parties to desensitize us to the phony bologna two party politicians and candidates they prop up as their person to vote for.
I believe whole heartedly that these politicians are practicing economic terrorism just as bad as those scumbag terrorists who attacked us on 9/11/2001.
Thats right terrorists!! because they seek to destroy us economically. The 9/11 terrorists hit the world trade centers for that very reason and our politicians hit us directly in the wallet every April 15th with income taxation and the use of the tyrannical apparatus known as The IRS.
WE need a non eccentric leader who is a Patriotic Centrist with the charisma of Ross Perot. Where are the Independents in this election? All we have to choose from is lawyers and anybody knows lawyers are at the bottom of the food chain.

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Scott, Orange, Ca — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:55:20 GMT

retired Admiral Robert J. Natter

“Going to war is the most serious decision a president can make. Lawyers should not debate while our national security is on the line. In these momentous decisions, we need leadership, not litigation."

Article 1 section 8 US Constitution

"To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;"

So the question is where does this retired admiral get his information that war is a decision the president can make. The decision to go to war should be made by congress. The execution of the war (ironically) falls to the executive branch.

Should anyone disagree, the constitution has something to say about this too in article 5.

"The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate."

I didn't write the laws but feel our presidential candidates (not to mention presidents) should express at least a small desire to follow them.

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Ed Washington, jacksonville, FL — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:16:46 GMT

Ralph Baum...probably the best response I've read. Lead the way on the referendum to pepeal the 16th Amendment. Most "sheeple" in our society have no idea what the 16th Amendment is about and further don't realize what a "sham"it is. As a Republican, I think Joe Lieberman should step up and run as an Independent! He would get my vote!

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Ralph Baum — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:20:33 GMT

Scott of Orange, Ca
My gosh man! have you not heard? Politicians such as George Bush, Bill and Hillary Clinton as well as both political parties..not to mention The Supreme Court view the Constitution as an ANTIQUATED document, no longer applicable to present day American life.
Mention the Constitution when dealing with the judicial system and see how fast you are labeled a constitutionist and thrown out of court.

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Andy, Miami, FL — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:23:06 GMT

All too true, Ralph Baum, and all the more reason we need to nail Romney and every other candidate over it. Unfortunately, the media and the campaigns are already turning this into a "debate" about whether the president should give it extensive thought before going to war or show some "balls" and go with his gut instinct... when it should be a debate about whether the president can even choose to go to war. And the answer is: HE CANNOT.

If we elect people who are ignorant of or show contempt for the Constitution, how can we expect them to be honest, respectful of our rights, or committed to the guiding principle that government's role in society is to protect our freedom?

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Richard, Washington State — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:33:01 GMT

Well, with the lawyers comment Mitt Romney, should he be elected, will be much more palatable to Democrats.

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Ricahrd, Washington State — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:41:39 GMT

Susan, Miami:

When those two pictures get put side by side, will there be captions so we can tell the difference?

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Ralph Baum — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:43:14 GMT

Instead of asking a question about the President's right to go to war or not, MSNBC should ask candidates about repealing the 16th ammendment to the US Constitution.
I would love to just once see Chris Mathews ask Hillary or Rudy that question. The response would be either dumb silence or a quick attempt to change the subject.
Where is this Bill at?
H. J. Res. 16 [109th]: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the sixteenth article of amendment

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Rep. Dan Burton [R-IN]
Rep. John Culberson [R-TX]
Rep. Thomas DeLay [R-TX]
Rep. Tom Feeney [R-FL]
Rep. Jeff Flake [R-AZ]
Rep. Louis Gohmert [R-TX]
Rep. Ralph Hall [R-TX]
Rep. Jeb Hensarling [R-TX]
Rep. John Hostettler [R-IN]
Rep. Samuel Johnson [R-TX]
Rep. John Linder [R-GA]
Rep. Jeff Miller [R-FL]
Rep. Ronald Paul [R-TX]
Rep. Tom Price [R-GA]
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This bill was proposed in a previous session of Congress. Sessions of Congress last two years, and at the end of each session all proposed bills and resolutions that haven't passed are cleared from the books.
Last Action: Mar 2, 2005: Referred to the Subcommittee on the Constitution.
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House Judiciary, Subcommittee on Constitution

We!! need to follow this up NOW!! What happened to this Bill? If it were to come to fuition it would mean the end of big government and the IRS. April 15th woudl be just another day in April and your take home pay woudl be your gross pay. After that all taxation unless (Income tax during a WAR) is an apportianed tax based on population as our founding fathers envisioned. The government woudl not have the money to go sticking it's nose in peoples business or other countries. There is a justification of income tax to fund a war such as the Civil war was funded this way and after it ended the income tax was repealed.

Romney and the 'lawyer test'

Richard, Washington State — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:44:30 GMT

Susan, Miami

Sorry, a clarification:

When they put up the pictures of Rudy in drag alongside Hillary Clinton, will they . . .

Romney and the 'lawyer test'

Bev Mayer, La Mirada, Ca — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:48:40 GMT

explain to us layman. If we, the people, vote for a candidate,why does the "electorial College" get the last word. I thought WE voted for our leader! hmmmm what's wrong with this picture!

Romney and the 'lawyer test'

steve ocala FL — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:39:57 GMT

Ron Paul had the best response to romney so why didn't they post that?

Ron Paul said and i quote "This talk about consulting lawyers baffles me, why don't we just open up the constitution, of course the president CAN NOT GO TO WAR WITHOUT CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL. unless it it an eminent attack on the inited states.

Romney and the 'lawyer test'

Utah — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:46:50 GMT

Romney has no clue of what he is doing. He will say and do anything for power. That is what everyone should be affraid of. Look at the positions he took only a few years ago and how he changed those positions just to get the nomination. At his age, he should know what is right and what is wrong. He does not. And, a man that has to spend 40 million dollars to get 10% of the vote, is not a man that is going to bring this nation together, which is what we need. Look at McCain or the others, has anyone, even the democrats, spent that much money, NO! That's crazy, he is trying to buy the presidency, and I wonder who is behind his money. Lastly, Romney should not be running for president if he doesnt understand the War Powers Act. He cannot refer to lawyers in all cases and should know what his duties include before hand. That's ridiculous to suggest the president shouldn't understand that War Powers Act. Maybe that's what got us to where we are now. Think about your vote!

Romney and the 'lawyer test'

R.Merrell — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:52:07 GMT

"granddaddy", you didn't have to tell us you're proud to vote Republican. As soon as you mentioned "but is it legal to attach another country" (no, it isn't by the way), suspicion's confirmed.

Romney and the 'lawyer test'

Doddy, Boise Idaho — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:21:50 GMT

Get rid of them all and let's start over. The idea that someone is out there with a little mentality appeals to me

Romney and the 'lawyer test'

Mike, San Antonio, Texas — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:22:02 GMT

I loved it when Ron Paul pimp slapped em all when he said:

"Absolutely. This idea of going and talking to attorneys totally baffles me. Why don’t we just open up the Constitution and read it? You’re not allowed to go to war without a declaration of war."

Go Ron Paul! God bless you Congressman!

Romney and the 'lawyer test'

Dale Brimley, Salt Lake City, UT — Thu, 11 Oct 2007 00:01:43 GMT

A president can't keep up with everything and needs wise advisors. Some of these advisors may be generals and some will be lawyers, some must also understand national economics but all must be honest and humble.

Romney and the 'lawyer test'

keith collins — Thu, 11 Oct 2007 01:46:12 GMT

For the first time in the history of the world, war crimes trials were held after WWII (at Nuremburg). They were held mostly at the urging of the US Govt. The main thrust of the trials was that Aggressive War is a crime against humanity. When you attack another country first you are committing Agressive War. That is what we did in Iraq, and we are now getting ready to do it in Iran. If you have a minor dispute with your neighbor, and you think he might have a gun in his house, can you go over and kill him first?

Ron Paul is the only 2008 presidential candidate that has a brain. The rest will only run America further into the ground.

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - James Madison

Romney and the 'lawyer test'

DELBERT , FORT WORTH, TEXAS — Thu, 11 Oct 2007 02:33:17 GMT

-- RON PAUL, is an American, and a True Texan, not a Karl Rove 'VILLAGE PERSON' with costume changes, and a rolled up sock. RON PAUL is the only one, of any, standing for THE CONSTITUTION, and could debate any of the cardboard cut outs we see lined up. He's an internet phenomenon (I refer to his many You Tube clips}The MSM is ignoring him as best they can, after efforts to rid the debates of him. The Declaration of Independence is another foreward marching document, he dammned well understands -- And who the hell thinks anyone is going to bat 100 per cent of 'What I want in a politician', Or in your bed. Get a grip. I'm switching over from THE DITHERING, DECEITFUL DEMOCRATS, for this plain talking man's man. CHANGE for the better is right there. Our only chance is per vote.

Romney and the 'lawyer test'

Bill, Hayden , ID — Thu, 11 Oct 2007 03:56:16 GMT

If the guy has "time" to consult with lawyers, he has time to have congress approve it or not. Ron Paul is right...constitutionally, unless an attack is coming right at that moment, Congress MUST declare war.

Romney and the 'lawyer test'

John Shultz — Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:26:13 GMT

This is from Wikipedia, and what it has to say about the declaration of war.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States)
".....Despite the constitutional requirement that Congress declare war, in practice, formal Declarations of War have occurred only upon prior request by the President........:
Those of you that are harping on Romney's comment about "going to war being the most important decision a president can make." are simple minded idiots that see focal points and not the big picture. Taking this statement against Romney is like saying someone is stupid cause they called a baseball white, since it is obviously red(the stitches i.e. a focal point). Makes no sense right? Right. Neither do your comments.

As for the statements about lawyers, would it be better that Romney consult a homogenous political group or spice up the problem solving diversity of a counsel by adding some lawyers? Once again your disdain for this action, is simple minded, and bigoted. Anyone educated in various problem solving techniques will realize, without much mental effort, that a diverse group of individuals will produce a better result. This, I might add for those of you that can’t connect the intuitive dots by yourselves, is accomplished because he will naturally have counseled with his cabinet members on the issue as well as the lawyers.

If any of you even paid attention to the debate you would have realized the great qualities in Romney. But I guess you were too busy looking for things to “prove you are right, and the smartest smarty” because anyone who thinks exactly like you is a genius…[realize the sarcasm please]…. Riiiiight. Once again you show your desire for a homogeneous thought process. Anyways, after reading these comments, I recommend you take a “basic” level class in Organizational behavior to understand wants really going on. And once you get that down maybe some critical thinking courses will widen your focus/understanding. Or maybe take a second to Google something and research it before you make an ignorant of yourself by jumping the ignorant bandwagon. “Congress can only!”, “But only congress can” “Any smart person knows only congress can”…blah blah blah….

Good on ya Romney! You are a great man and hopefully those that will vote come election time will be intelligent enough to see you and all you could do for this nation for what/who you really are. Best wishes to you and your family.

Romney and the 'lawyer test'

John Shultz, Alaska — Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:44:07 GMT

I will start off by saying thank you to everyone who has posted a comment thus far. I appreciate your comments. However I will be replying against them in the name of debate. Let’s see where we can get with this issue.

This is from Wikipedia, and what it has to say about the declaration of war.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States)
".....Despite the constitutional requirement that Congress declare war, in practice, formal Declarations of War have occurred only upon prior request by the President........:
Those of you that are harping on Romney's comment about "going to war being the most important decision a president can make." are simple minded persons that see focal points and not the big picture. Taking this statement against Romney is like saying someone is stupid cause they called a baseball white, since it is obviously red(the stitches i.e. a focal point). Makes no sense right? Right. Neither do your comments.

As for the statements about lawyers, would it be better that Romney consult a homogenous political group or spice up the problem solving diversity of a counsel by adding some lawyers? Once again your disdain for this action, is simple minded, and bigoted. Anyone educated in various problem solving techniques will realize, without much mental effort, that a diverse group of individuals will produce a better result. This, I might add for those of you that can’t connect the intuitive dots by yourselves, is accomplished because he will naturally have counseled with his cabinet members on the issue as well as the lawyers.

If any of you even paid attention to the debate you would have realized the great qualities in Romney. But I guess you were too busy looking for things to “prove you are right, and the smartest smarty” because anyone who thinks exactly like you is a genius…[realize the sarcasm please]…. Riiiiight. Once again you show your desire for a homogeneous thought process. Anyways, after reading these comments, I recommend you take a “basic” level class in Organizational behavior to understand wants really going on. And once you get that down maybe some critical thinking courses will widen your focus/understanding. Or maybe take a second to Google something and research it before you make an ignorant of yourself by jumping the ignorant bandwagon. “Congress can only!”, “But only congress can” “Any smart person knows only congress can”…blah blah blah….

Honestly I respect all of your comments. This is only my reaction to them. I feel it is important for anyone in a debate to truly consider the opponents side, try their best to beat it, but if they cannot they should whole heartedly join it. Thank you all for your comments!!!!!

Good on ya Romney! You are a great man and hopefully those that will vote come election time will be intelligent enough to see you and all you could do for this nation for what/who you really are. Best wishes to you and your family.

Romney and the 'lawyer test'

Scott C. Despres, Westminster, Massachusetts. — Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:44:46 GMT

As has been pointed out many times, Congress determines whether or not we go to war. The President can only recommend. Does it not make sense to perhaps consult attorneys well versed in Constitutional law to make sure before he (or she) goes to Congress making a case to devote time, energy and American lives that the request is justified? I'm more inclined to vote for a republican, but I’m not so blinded to note we've had 8 years of Cowboy diplomacy in this country. Look where it's gotten us. We're in a swamp of a war amidst feuding tribal factions in a country that has long since been proven posed no real threat to us while we've ignored real threats like Iran, Syria and North Korea. After 8 years of gunslingin' rootin' tootin' leadership, I would think a little caution might be in order. American blood should not run so easy in the lands of a foreign nation, and all precautions available should be taken before we leap into a violent undertaking.

Romney and the 'lawyer test'

motoboy — Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:18:58 GMT

Dale Brimley: Should these wise advisors be as "honest and humble" as those in the present administration? If so, God help us!

Romney and the 'lawyer test'

John S. Alexander, Edinboro, PA — Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:49:39 GMT

Boy, with all the differing opinions from everyone here, the media is not doing a very good job of pulling us around with that ring in our nose. Can we stop with the baseless 'liberal', conservative' labels and get back to the fact that we are a democracy and everyones opinion is just that, an opinion. Truth comes out after the opinions all vaporize and become just words, why is everything said now "fighting words? Because confrontation is the only way the rebumplikans can keep power, the rest of their governance is based on the needs of the few over the many. It will be the many that will vote for change. Hooray for Democracy, it overcomes opinion everytime.

Romney and the 'lawyer test'

Jonathon, Indianapolis, IN — Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:29:54 GMT

I'm amazed that so many attributed the quote "going to war is the most serious decision a President can make" with Romney. To be fair, it wasn't even Giuliani, it was his paid Admiral that made the statement. Romney is by far the better candidate. Giuliani is more arrogant that Bush and would consult no one about crucial decisions. Also, why is he proud that he took the line-item veto to the Supreme Court and won. That move alone costs U.S. taxpayers hundreds of millions in pork barrel spending. What a moron.

Romney and the 'lawyer test'

Mark, Salt Lake City, Utah — Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:21:13 GMT

While I think Romney could have worded his response a bit better, I don't think Romney was saying he would sit down with lawyers during his Presidency. I think he was basically saying that he needs to check which legal actions that are allowed before saying yes or no on military actions in Iran. I think he was saying, "I'm not sure if I could but I'll have to find out what's legal and not legal before doing so." I don't think Romney meant to sound like he would consult with lawyers during his Presidency. But I also really liked Mike Huckabee's answer. If there is an immediate threat against our nation, it'd be dispicable of us to not take action and lose hundreds, thousands, or millions of people from a Nuclear attack because we had to check with Congress before defending ourselves.

Ron Paul said there has never been an attack by a country on America in its entire history. Hmmm.. I wonder where he was when Japan killed 3,000 people by attacking Pearl Harbor unexpectedly.