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Dot, Illinois — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:32:06 GMT

This story demonstrates, to me at least, the dire need for campaign spending reform. These sums are ridiculous! Do they have any idea of how those amounts of money look to people struggling just to pay their rent? No wonder cynics say we have "the best politicians money can buy!"

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:54:12 GMT

There should be no public funding for campaigns period. Let everyone go out and raise the cash themselves if they really want the job bad enough.

Hillary Clinton has shown that there is a dark side to campaign fundraising. More and more scrutiny should be paid attention to how these folks get their money. Since we all know that the lobbyists are buying off Hillary, it would be nice to know who else is trying to but off the other candidates, both sides.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:57:46 GMT

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp?cycle=2008

http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/tables/live/2007-10-15-poll.htm

Hard truths: He's spending money as fast as he collects it, the money flow has narrowed, he's further behind in all the polls then he was three months ago.
It will be harder to raise funds from his, "maximum ($4,600.00) individual donors and corporate support (Goldman, Sachs, J.P. Morgan Chase, Citigroup, etc.)

She out raised him by 33% last quarter, and is on track to out raise him by 100%, that's TWICE as MUCH, this quarter. He has less cash, is spending more (and needs to spend more), while collecting less. Do the math. Something big has to happen for Obama, but what?

The polls follow the money and the money follows the polls.

Van

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Watson Kimmel, Scranton PA — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:59:22 GMT

The foreign money from China is strong for the Democrats this year.

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MK,MO — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:00:46 GMT

looks like someone messed up and accidentally mentioned john edwards name in this article, shame on you, I am sure there will be repercussions for this incident, that check from hillary may be a little smaller this week, keep up the good un-biased reporting

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MK,MO — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:03:23 GMT

edwards has been and is still the only dem candidate that is not owned by the corporate lobbyists

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nuanced — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:03:30 GMT

As Stephen Colbert would say, "the marketplace has decided"

How about a new (?) election system, one dollar = one vote. What say you jerry?

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CitizenJ — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:09:14 GMT

I actually agree with jerry a bit here. While I do think that there definitely needs to be some type of reform closing of certain loopholes, letting the candidates raise money for themselves is necessary. It helps cut down the number of people running (which people complain about all the time), and it also might just reflect how the candidates might actually run the office, should they win. Sure, there are disadvantages too, but would there not be disadvantages with public funding?

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Pat, Huntington, NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:10:39 GMT

Jerry - no, you are wrong. Your generalized baseless comment about how lobbiests are buying off Hillary is nothing more than your own warped point of view formed for you by the people at Fox Noise. And if there is a problem with lobbiests, then your fellow Republicans are the guiltiest of all...and I have one name for you..Jack Abromoff! Unlike Hillary, Republicans knowingly engaged in nefarious and criminal acts with this guy. Hillary's supposed crime - receiving, without knowing it, donations from someone who had a criminal record. Not the same as saying she is accepting campaign money from criminals known by her to be felons.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:23:10 GMT

Nuanced:

Unless you have a ton of money that is going to taxed big time under a Hillary administration and you have no other place to put it, why on earth would you give it to a person who is going to raise your taxes?

One dollar=one vote.....

That would make the polls rather useless now wouldn't it?

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MK,MO — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:34:08 GMT

nuanced / 'How about a new (?) election system, one dollar = one vote. What say you jerry?'

many would argue (myself included) you have just described our current system, unfortunately.

could that be the reason for your (?} ?

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Lyn, MD — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:46:17 GMT

Look who is posting everywhere today...albeit wrong information. But that has never mattered to Van.

Hillary is showing that amount because she is carrying almost $2 million in debt...pump up the numbers.

What Van doesn't discuss is this;

GOP targeting Clinton on phone-call snooping

Republicans are focusing on an allegation in a recent book by two Pulitzer Prize-winning reporters, which suggests Clinton listened to a secretly recorded conversation between political opponents.

In their book about Clinton’s rise to power, Her Way, Don Van Natta Jr., an investigative reporter at The New York Times, and Jeff Gerth, who spent 30 years as an investigative reporter at the paper, wrote: “Hillary’s defense activities ranged from the inspirational to the microscopic to the down and dirty. She received memos about the status of various press inquiries; she vetted senior campaign aides; and she listened to a secretly recorded audiotape of a phone conversation of Clinton critics plotting their next attack.

“The tape contained discussions of another woman who might surface with allegations about an affair with Bill,” Gerth and Van Natta wrote in reference to Clinton’s husband, former President Bill Clinton. “Bill’s supporters monitored frequencies used by cell phones, and the tape was made during one of those monitoring sessions.”

It’s been clear that since 1986 it was illegal to intercept an individual cell phone call,” said Barry Steinhardt, the director of the technology and liberty program at the American Civil Liberties Union

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/gop-targeting-clinton-on-phone-call-snooping-2007-10-16.html

Looks like some of that easedropping was on Bill's call to other women LOL

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Taylor in the home of the free and the land of the brave — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:51:35 GMT

Pat, Jerry's comments werent generalized, they seemed pretty specific to me. And to say that Jerry bases his opinion on "FOX NOISE"? I dare say he seems more articulate than just getting info from one source. Hillary and her camp are calling in favors(her own words)and if that aint ole boy politics than I don't know what is.

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Lewis, cincinnati, ohio — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:14:33 GMT

Van, I'm not sure you assestment is 100% correct. I don't think the future is so bleak for Obama. I think he has still out raised Clinton if you take the year in total. Remember, she had to transfer 10 million from her senate account. Read the following article:

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/10/16/how_obama_is_playing_in_iowa/

It's hard for me to imagine people making similar remarks about Hillary Clinton.

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mad in Madtown — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:16:46 GMT

You repukes are priceless. It was okay when GOP had all of the campaign cash. But, now that America has woken up and is demanding a change to the abortion that is the WH, and the Dems are getting all of the campaign cash, NOW you want campaign spending control. Where were the repuke votes for Feingold's attempt at reform? Your hypocracy is comical, yet sad. I personally can't wait to see Jerry's head explode when the Dems take the WH and Legislature in '08.

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FACT / AZ — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:22:41 GMT

This is nothing new? The Washington self serving Paper Hangers will again buy the White House.

Who ever becomes President has a self serving agenda. You the voter have nothing but empty promises! Example = 70% want closure to this war! Well you see your voice will never be heard again after you vote!.

Washington serves Washington! That is a Fact! Washington needs more money to run their agenda your taxes go up! Washington has driven industry out of this country, Washington has created useless wars which have destroyed our being in the international community.

Too many real issues to address at this time. When you give your dollar for one vote, don't expect a penny in return.

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Jessica, Wisconsin — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:24:21 GMT

Van,

As it turns out Obama and Hillary are virtually ties with cash on hand for the primary so she is not ahead of him in this area. Also, it appears that Obama had 8,000 more new contributors that Hillary did in the 3rd quarter. He beat her again.

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Mark, Des Moines — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:25:50 GMT

"The polls follow the money and the money follows the polls."

Actually Van, the polls follow name identification at this point, they always have. Name identification can be increased through heavy advertising. Richardson is an example of that, he was the first to advertise in Iowa. He started in late April/early May and advertised heavily through August, much lighter in September, and I haven't seen a Richardson commercial in October. According to a recent article only Romney has had more TV ads in Iowa than Richardson. The massive ads buys increased Richardson's name ID, and this increased his poll numbers in Iowa. However this was not a real gauge of support, because 80% of the random registered democrats polled in Iowa aren't caucus goers. The poll support for Edwards, Obama and Clinton reflect both real support among caucus goers (no more than 20% of those polled) as well as name ID. Most of Edwards name ID in the polls (as opposed to his actual support) is carry over from 04, and his retail campaigning in Iowa. Obama and Clinton get an enormous amount of free advertising on network and cable news. There poll support is reflective of both actual support, and name ID, and perceived front runner status.

If polls followed the money Edwards would not be ahead, or in the top three in Iowa (depending on which statistically invalid poll you look at).

I do agree that money follows the polls. However that reflects poorly on the people donating to candidates, because of poll numbers, not only because they are relying on statistically invalid polls (i.e. Iowa polls, due to the nature of the caucus system), but it reflects a lack of historical perspective regarding polling and prospects of victory.

Unfortunately too often people donate not to the candidate who they believe would be the best President, but whose leading in the polls. It then becomes a cycle.

Candidates often manipulate, or outright lie about poll numbers in solicitation for funds. In a Sept. 17 2007 fund raising letter Richardson claimed he was polling at 18% "of the likeliest caucus-goers in Iowa" . Even though I know the polls are statistically invalid, I still read them, and Richardson has never polled at 18% in Iowa ahead of Obama, but that's what his campaign solicitation claimed. His campaign also claims for every 1.00 raised prior to 10/31 "a core group of my supporters" will "match, dollar-for-dollar, every contribution we receive by October 31."

While the ethics of Richardson grossly inflating his poll numbers is questionable, and one wonders why his core supporters wouldn't just max out financially in their support, and instead are treating this like a matching donation one would expect with a civic find drive, it's clear from Richardson's request for money that polls (even numbers he made up) drives donations.

The truth doesn't always reflect kindly on those who cause a statement to be true.

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Jason Miles, Dallas Texas — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:55:18 GMT

Dot from Il: This story demonstrates, to me at least, the dire need for campaign spending reform.

Now this is funny. What ever happended to the McCain/Feingold CFR celebration from years back? That was supposed to curtail all this money coming into these campaigns. The left of the US were so happy about that legislation, and now we see it was just window dressing.

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Henry, Utah — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:59:36 GMT

Taylor in the home of the free and the land of the brave writes Jerry's comments were specific and made sense to him. Piss off.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:00:08 GMT

Look who is posting everywhere today...albeit wrong information. But that has never mattered to Van.
Lyn, MD (Sent Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:46 AM)

Lyn-

These are the actual real places where you can find the actual real numbers. Even though I posted them at the top of my piece, you aren't using the actual sources at the Federal Elections Commission or opensecrets.org, because like anyone who's falling or drowning, you and your compatriots must grasp at anything that will allow you to still hold on to your dreams. I don't blame you.

But accusing me AGAIN of posting incorrect figures when I have posted the OFFICIAL tallies is mistaken.

Hillary Clinton Raised $27,859,861 Spent 22,623,680 COH $50,463,013

Debt $2,347,486

Barack Obama Raised $21,343,292 Spent $21,519,790 COH $36,087,091

Debt $1,409,740

Q3 Burn rate Clinton 81%

Q3 Burn rate Obama 101%

Sources: Federal Elections Commission filing 10/15/07
opensecrets.org

http://www.fec.gov/index.shtml

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp

The actual numbers above are the FEC filing numbers and can't be disputed.

Spending more. Taking in less. 20-30 points out in almost all state and national polls (Insiders advantage CA. Poll out today; Clinton FIFTY-SEVEN percent, Obama, twenty.) and falling further it seems daily.

What do you think the Obama campaign needs to do?
Do you really think that things are going well?
Why do you seem to always accuse me of dishonesty when I am the only one here who always backs up my contentions with the source material?

Van

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Students at UNF — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:17:49 GMT

Hillary Rodham Clinton will be our next president so you can all go screw yourselves. Big crying babies.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:39:05 GMT

From the Obama campaign; (Yeah, I not only get his emails, but I've CONTRIBUTED to his campaign.)

"The results are clear. We continue to build the largest grassroots movement in history, but Washington lobbyists and special interests rallied to help Hillary Clinton out-raise us for the first time.

If we want real change in this country, then we need to prove that together we are stronger than the lobbyist-driven money machine that has dominated Washington for too long.

The situation here is simple. We are $2.1 million behind. We must close that gap right now. I need you to make a donation of $100:
Hillary Clinton aggressively seeks money from Washington lobbyists and special interest PACs. She's even said that these lobbyists represent real Americans.

She's wrong.

I think it's time to turn the page on that kind of politics, and that's why I have not accepted a dime from Washington lobbyists and special interest PACs in this race. We rely on a network of more than 350,000 ordinary people to make us competitive -- more supporters than all the other Democratic candidates combined.

Washington lobbyists have chosen their candidate and are determined to provide her with an overwhelming advantage. But you can even up this contest.

In the face of the most entrenched political machine in Democratic politics, I believe a movement of ordinary Americans can change our country. And you can prove that right now.

I need you to make a donation to close the gap:"

Desperate times call for desperate, desperate, even false, measures.

From open secrets;
Clinton Lobbyists: $427,950. That's out of over EIGHTY MILLION dollars raised over three quarter of the year.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/indus.asp?id=N00000019&cycle=2008

(note: they're #17)

So, they need 2.1 MILLION, by their count (note Obama supporters, it is HIS campaign saying that they trail not the evil MSM.) to offset the HUGE less than half a million that Clinton has collected from those lobbyists.

Obama; Lawyers/Law Firms $6,160,839

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/indus.asp?id=N00009638&cycle=2008

Clinton;Lawyers/Law Firms $6,500,073

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/indus.asp?id=N00000019&cycle=2008

Those are the totals for the #1 contributors for both candidates. Despite the rhetoric, they get their BIG money, as do ALL political candidates, from the SAME places.

Van

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Shane, Ohio — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:39:07 GMT

Clinton didn't out-raise Obama by 33% last quarter in any metric that mattered. All that matters now is primary money and in primary money, Obama raise 19MM and Clinton raised 22MM.

So really, if you're going to use third quarter fund raising as some predicator of electoral viability..

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:45:10 GMT

Pat:

Funny you should bring up jack Abromoff......

Abramoff Reports to Prison; Officials Focus on Reid, Others November 15, 2006 1:23 PM

Brian Ross and Rhonda Schwartz Report:

As convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff reported to federal prison today, a source close to the investigation surrounding his activities told ABC News that Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) was one of the members of Congress Abramoff had allegedly implicated in his cooperation with federal prosecutors.

I can see why Harry Reid has a 51% unfavorable rating in the state of Nevada.....

But to get back to your point (or dispoint),

You New Yorkers must be begging for leadership up there. To bring in a gal from Illinois who needed an address and a job just to be able to run for president is pretty sick.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:01:52 GMT

Clinton didn't out-raise Obama by 33% last quarter in any metric that mattered.

Shane, Ohio (Sent Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:39 PM)"

I am always amused at the way that some feel ordained to be the arbiters of what matters. They are usually trying to wish something away.

Raising money is raising money. Equivocating is the province of the also-ran....

There's a good reason why Obama doesn't have a lot of cash for the GE...

Van

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Lyn, MD — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:04:49 GMT

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vanreuter, NY NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:38:36 GMT

Yes Jack Abramoff has been a disaster for the democrats.

"Jack Abramoff (born February 28, 1959) is a former American political lobbyist, a Republican political activist and businessman who was a central figure in a series of high-profile political scandals.

Abramoff, pled guilty on January 3, 2006, to three criminal felony counts in a Washington, D.C., federal court related to the defrauding of American Indian tribes and corruption of public officials.[1] The following day he pleaded guilty to two criminal felony counts in a separate federal court, in Miami, related to his fraudulent dealings with SunCruz Casinos.[2]

On March 29, 2006, he was sentenced to five years and ten months in prison and ordered to pay restitution of more than $21 million. His prison sentence was the minimum permitted under a plea bargain with federal prosecutors, in part because of his purported cooperation in the federal investigation. In October 2006, more than six months after his sentencing, he was ordered by a federal judge to report to federal prison by November 15, 2006."

"The extensive corruption investigation has led to the conviction of White House officials J. Steven Griles and David Safavian, U.S. Representative Bob Ney, and nine other lobbyists and Congressional aides." All republicans, btw

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Abramoff

Duke (my vote's for sale to the highest bidder) Cunningham.

Those democrats! Who's more popular in Nevada, Reid (who I don't much like) or Bush?

It takes a real genius to post something about a guy who almost single-handedly (Mark Foley helped, too) lost the congressional elections of 2006 for the republicans, as a problem for democrats.

This is the beginning of a, "lost in the wilderness", period for the republican party. Hope you have a canteen and a flashlight for the next 8-10 YEARS.

Van

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bb — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:44:08 GMT

So, Lyn is voting for Mr Guiliani eh? Very intelligent of you. Perhaps a write in for Mr Paul is in order?

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Sierra, SF — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:50:40 GMT

jerry/corpus christi texas: '...There should be no public funding for campaigns period. Let everyone go out and raise the cash themselves ...'

jerry, you get what you pay for.....
The best government money can buy...

If lobbyists and corporations contribute large amounts of money, they do it for a reason.
That's HOW we get theses giant deficits.
That's HOW we get our corrupting tax breaks
That's how we lose focus on our national interests.

Money is corrupting in politics
Why let politicians have debts to large special interests ?
None of the candidates is 'clean' on this issue

Obama/Edwards '08

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Lyn, MD — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:57:34 GMT

There's a good reason why Obama doesn't have a lot of cash for the GE...

Van

Hillary is not going to need hers...like her HSU money she will be returning it.

BTW..since Obama sent his email this morning ticker on the website shows almost $400k. He'll have 2million by weeks end. Just pumped up more myself..about capped out Van. guess I'll have to start giving GE funds...LOL

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vanreuter, NY NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:59:59 GMT

Van...how about that easedropping, I'm sure though you'll say she didn't do it...right winged conspiracy and all.

Better hope so...she can't raise enough money to get the stink out of that one if she did. How do you spell "self destruct"

Lyn, MD (Sent Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:04 PM)"

Lyn-
No apology for you accusation about using the wrong numbers.
Slinging mud about a passage in a book that has been out for over half a year and was blasted as a, "hatchet job", by every review, is what you now want to discuss?

It isn't enough to support the man who will bring us all together, you have to trot out every half-assed accusation, insinuation and slander. It is a passage from an old book that doesn't merit a rebuttal.

This is not news. Google it. It won't be news tomorrow either, and you know it. It's just a lot easier to focus on some stale, slanderous accusation than the crushing volume of bad news for the Obama campaign so far this week.

Why didn't you answer my legitimate questions about the Obama campaign?
What do they need to do now?
Do you think things are going well?

Jumping on this book thing reduces you to the likes of MK or Bee, or Sierra/BIGOLDTEXAN/Stop this war!, or sourGrace, something that you have, while supporting Obama, seldom descended to. Those folks don't seem serious or reasonable, or honest, when it comes to their contentions. You have done your best to support Obama without the venom and rancor that mar many of the posts here.

I'm surprised that you were so selective in your answer to my well-thought-out reply, and dismayed that you would resort to so spurious a claim and nothing else as you rebuttal.

My numbers were correct. The stale slander is no more than simply that. You didn't answer my questions about the campaign and what you thought, if anything, that Obama can do now.

Van

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Robert Nightingale, Niles, MI — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:01:10 GMT

If you take cash minus debt for the Republicans, you get the following ranking (source opensecrets.org)

1 Giuliani, Rudy $16,480,570
2 Thompson, Fred $6,443,312
3 Paul, Ron $5,443,667
4 McCain, John $1,757,937
5 Huckabee, Mike $603,491
6 Brownback, Sam $94,654
7 Hunter, Duncan $82,742
8 Keyes, Alan ($247)
9 Tancredo, Tom ($185,524)
10 Romney, Mitt ($8,133,483)

Now, who are the top candidates? And who should go home?

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Lyn, MD — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:15:20 GMT

$400K now. Some campaigns don't get that much a month let alone 5 hours.

Van...I guess they havn't read your emails and don't realize that they were suppose to not want to give anymore. Those pesky small donors. I guess that's what can happen when you have 365,000 of them LOL.

Can't wait for the KOS guys to hear about it they love that ticker...watching it move

UPDATE: $413K

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bb — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:28:09 GMT

Sierra, if it's Hillary and Giuliani running for president, how shall you vote , Mr. obsessive know it all? Inquiring minds want to know?

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:49:31 GMT

Obama has raised more money from more people and even last quarter the final numbers show that once again he had more donors. That is what is significant (if one feels compelled to handicap the race). Iowa will be key.
Obama '08

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CitizenJ — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:53:51 GMT

Students at UNF,

Thanks for your insight.

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Rick,ky — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:08:31 GMT

Van, each & everyone of those mentioned in 1:59 post has a vote. Like them, i also have a vote & after being on this site a lil longer than you have, it is OBVIOUS to all, that hillary does'nt have the support to which she claims to have. If you take time to read some of these post, you can easily decifer the reason for her High Negatives. It's not just a coincidence, it's a Fact as you point out to us everyday. She may have the core democratic party( i'm not totally convinced of this either) in her wallet, but what about the other 75% of the country that also has 1 vote apeice. Sure, she has the BB & G'z, j. merle, susan (fl), Hp (Ma) Pat (NY) & several other's on here who constantly rant & rave about womenhater's against hillary. This woman has way to much baggage to carry the Democratic party to the White House. Our Nation can't afford 4-8 more years of the sameold-sameole crap. Voter's are'nt so narrowminded to forget all the crap we went thru with her & Bill. We don't forget that easily & the same can be said for Independent's ( which either party has to win)& republican's. Lyn (MD) keep up the good work & don't stoop to the lows to which anyone associated with Hillary's campaign will. The American voter is Not on Kool-Aid anymore. Since edge has'nt been around for awhile, thought i'd leave ya with this little tune " The Bitch is Back" (ELTON JOHN)

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J.D. in California — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:18:49 GMT

"The foreign money from China is strong for the Democrats this year."

I thought this little nugget is a good example of how repubs demonstrate their sociopathy. Why post outright easily proven lies, when one should be able to make arguments with truth and facts? People with Chinese surnames are assumed to be contributing from China. Last time I checked foreigners cannot contribute to presidential campaigns. If this were true the repubs would be able to raise billions from the Arabs.

Note: it is well known that the vast majority of wealth in America is in the hands of republicans. Yet, why is it that their candidates can't raise more than a third of what the democrats raise? Campaign finance laws prevent the wealthy from contributing more than $2300 to a candidate for primary spending. But, even with that limit, repubs who have vastly more expendible income are not contributing. Democrats have far more individual contributors than repubs. What is most significant is not the comparison of Clinton to Obama but how the democrats are outraising the republicans. In every past election, with the same laws in effect, the repubs have been able to outraise the democrats by about 2-1.

This is the real import of the these numbers. The argument that lobbyist contributions favor certain candidates doesn't work with the $2300 limit. They have the advantage over typical citizen contributions, which might be one tenth as much on average, but not by enough to matter, since there are vastly more citizen contributors than lobbyists.

I am somewhat dismayed to see my fellow democrats cooking and stretching statistics to favor their candidates. You should all try to analyze numbers honestly. Your arguments fail when you phoney up your numbers. Van, I am including you in this. The truth is that Clinton and Obama both have plenty of money. Clinton gets more thousand dollar plus contributions and Obama has more individual contributors. So what! They both have about the same amount of money to spend and neither will have a significant money advantage in primary spending.

On the republican side Rudy has the most money but not enough to run a very high profile campaign. He can open up all the offices he wants but no one will notice them without money to buy advertising and hire campaign workers. Since republicans don't do volunteer work Rudy and his cohorts will need to pay for their manpower.

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Students at UNF — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:14:34 GMT

Your welcome. Us college students have to be polite, ya know.

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Wes, SC — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:57:38 GMT

Barack Obama - $78,915,507
Hillary Clinton - $78,615,215
John Edwards - $29,935,179
Bill Richardson - $18,461,022
Chris Dodd - $8,761,581
Joe Biden - $6,172,060
Dennis Kucinich - $2,128,615

And Obama also has more donors.

But what really matters is the ground game in Iowa that Obama is leading. Kerry won Iowa and he: spent the most on ads, had the most officies open, and the best field staff. Edwards also had a great staff and came in second (after the boost from Kucinich dropped out). Neither one of those guys were up in the polls. Go figure...Van

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John Doe, Fairfax, VA — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:33:38 GMT

Just thought you guys should look at this video. Just take the 13 minutes required, I find it amazing that this has stayed under the radar for so long. If you don't believe the video look it up, there is plenty of evidence.

http://www.hillcap.org/default.php?page_id=2

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Blowmehillary in the great southwest — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:53:54 GMT

"Us college students" No wonder Hillary wants to pump more $$$ in education.

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Taylor in the land of the free and the home of the brave — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:22:14 GMT

OH HENRY! Instead of tagging a sucker punch on me, why not discuss something you are an expert on? Gooey, chocolate, caramel.

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Aslam, corona, california — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:52:03 GMT

Muslims serve homeless with food, clothing
By MELISSA BARRETO, Contributing Writer

LOS ANGELES – Nearly 25,000 homeless were served by Muslims nationwide in the annual Humanitarian Day that took place across 21 major cities on Sept. 29 and 30.

In southern California, in what has become a Ramadan tradition for southern California Muslims, Muslim volunteers served 1,100 homeless during the seventh Annual Humanitarian Day in downtown Los Angeles on Sept. 30.

While observing the fast themselves for Ramadan, Muslims, young and old, from across southern California volunteered their time and effort in the sweltering heat for those less fortunate.

Residents of Skid Row lined up around the block received warm greetings, food, clothing, blankets, back packs, socks, hygiene kits, free health services and much more.

Naim Shah Jr., executive director of the Ilm Foundation, was pleased with this year’s results.

"Quality was the key this year," said Naim Shah Jr. about the services being provided. "We really emphasized [to the suppliers] that we wanted to get the best [for the homeless] even if it wasn’t the same quantity."

Humanitarian Day was founded by the ILM Foundation and the Coalition to Preserve Human Dignity. It began as an effort to serve those in need during the month of Ramadan. Islamic Relief is also a major sponsor of the event now. Humanitarian Day has now turned into an international mission, offering humanitarian aid to people in 21 major cities throughout the United States and two African countries.

"We really had no idea that it [Humanitarian Day] would get this big," said Jihad Saafir, son of the founder of ILM Foundation. "We have so many volunteers now, it’s a sign from Allah that we should do this more often."

This year’s slogan, "Convert One Day into a Life Mission" reflected the ILM Foundation’s goal of providing more frequent and lasting relief to communities in need.

"Each year, the numbers of homeless in the area are getting less. They’re being pushed out due to redevelopment and gentrification," said Umar Abdul Hakeem, organizer for Humanitarian Day.

"The relationships we build will help us to develop this effort into more than one day and bring other programs to give back something positive [to the community]."
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