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Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:35:59 GMT

Good morning America ! How does everybody feel about paying $86.00 a barrel for crude oil or $4-$5 a gallon for gas. Just send your thank you's to your beloved President Georgie {who sucks}. Or maybe you want to thank him for spending your retirement check in the amount of a "trillion dollars" which have been spent in Iraq . Have a nice day.

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MK,MO — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:38:09 GMT

'*** All aboard the Hillary Express: Indeed, Clinton inevitability train keeps on picking up steam.'

please, you guy's are unbelievable, is this first read or have I stumbled on to hillary.com

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:38:24 GMT

For all the polls showing Hillary is picking out the new White House china already, some people just might be surprised when the voting starts in the primaries. Up coming stories about the Clinton's, including the revisiting of the eavesdropping she did on political enemies back in 1992 just might make people stop and think a bit. For all the hatred that people have shown President Bush over wiretapping, the new stories about Hillary listening in should come back to haunt her. Also, with her many criminals giving her money, this too will be looked at. I know it is being looked at down here with one guy

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MK,MO — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:53:32 GMT

maybe we should discuss how ron paul beats hillary in the general election match-up since ron is going to be the republican nominee, what ya think?

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Yog Goel — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:55:00 GMT

Regardless of how much MSNBC writes in favor of Hillary, She is not going to win. Not sure from where they are doing polling. It is a fight between machine and real democrats.

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Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:57:07 GMT

The GOP has decided to talk about only Iran, since talking about Iraq makes them look idiotic. The only problem with that is they've tied Iran to Iraq and since the gap between the two countries is only one letter wide, talking about one is like talking about both. What will be inferred is another Invasion, but the first Invasion is what they are trying to get everyone to forget.

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Are we having a democracy, or wot? — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:57:14 GMT

So...are we U.S. citizens of all political parties to understand that YOU oligarchs have predetermined the outcome of the 2008 elections as evidenced by your unctuously fawning diatribe for Shrillary? Suggest you begin looking now for solid future employment (if that is possible) outside of your present pimping positions.

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Brian, Cedar Hill, TX — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:58:16 GMT

Are you sure Fred won't have scheduling conflicts this week in getting his lazy ass out of his barcalounger?

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nuanced — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:59:15 GMT

McCain running his campaign on deficit spending will be good experience for running the country the Republican way.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:00:18 GMT

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp?cycle=2008

http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/tables/live/2007-10-15-poll.htm

Hard truths: He's spending money as fast as he collects it, the money flow has narrowed, he's further behind in all the polls then he was three months ago.
It will be harder to raise funds from his, "maximum ($4,600.00) individual donors and corporate support (Goldman, Sachs, J.P. Morgan Chase, Citigroup, etc.)

She out raised him by 33% last quarter, and is on track to out raise him by 100%, that's TWICE as MUCH, this quarter. He has less cash, is spending more (and needs to spend more), while collecting less. Do the math. Something big has to happen for Obama, but what?

The polls follow the money and the money follows the polls.

Van

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Ryan, Michigan — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:04:11 GMT

Jerry.jerry.jerry...we all know you really could care less about eavesdropping or taking money from criminals...you are a king chickenhawk bushie supporter, you'd think hillary would be right up your alley...

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Dot, Illinois — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:04:26 GMT

Asked this before, but I'll have to ask again could you PLEASE stop using the word inevitable in any form in your reports? PLEASE! If you are trying to convince us of the fact, some of us will never accept that the campaign is over, give it up already!

Let us make up our own minds in our own time.

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Dave, Tn — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:05:51 GMT

Don't be silly Jerry. These people have known all along about the abuse of FBI files, criminals associated with the Clinton, Ignoring the UN and congress, bombing civilians, using Syria and Egypt to torture people, Bill's draft dodging, etc etc All the turds from the Clinton era they tried to wipe on Bush. They don't care. It's been fake outrage all along, and the wife leading in the polls is just proof of that.

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Pat, Huntington, NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:06:51 GMT

Again, Jerry is posting his version of facts which the rest of the world calls untruths, misrepresentations or even utter fabrication. His point of view is of that of a person living in the microcosmic world of his little blood red corner of a red state. His obsession with Hillary is alarming and borders on sociopathic. OK, we get it...you don't like her. Unfortunately, and while you won't admit it, your opinion is so influenced by your narrow minded perspective that you cannot view her objectively and with an open mind. Its sad, because if you did, you'ld come to realize, as has many of her fellow Republican Senators, that she's politically center, she has the ability to work with the other side of the aisle, and her position in many areas is dead on mainstream. So, Jerry, keep posint your anti-Hillary virtolic diatrob...hopefully one day you'll find a new hobby.

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Andy, Des Moines IA — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:09:43 GMT

Stop with the Hillary love fest already. I think she should be compared to Dean because I think just like in 04, the democrats will wake up and vote for somebody who doesn't turn off so many people. If she does get the nomination, it will be too close in too many states and I don't think the democrats want that. Also, we may have a good chance about winning in 08 but what about 2012? I don't think Hillary can stay popular that long. Her pandoring can only fool people for only so long. Lets vote for real change. Lets hope Edwards and Obama can step it up a bit and show every one what she truly is.... A Fake.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:13:55 GMT

Regardless of how much MSNBC writes in favor of Hillary, She is not going to win. Not sure from where they are doing polling. It is a fight between machine and real democrats.

Yog Goel (Sent Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:55 AM)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national-primary.html

Yog- Msnbc is just reporting on the polls. They aren't responsible for them. If you follow the link above, you'll find almost every poll collected in one place.

National average: Clinton, 48.2 Obama, 21.0. She's effectively at the 50% total a couple of geniuses here, "guaranteed", her campaign would never reach.
At some point, even true-believers will have to admit, if only to themselves that these poll numbers have meaning.

Van

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:17:52 GMT

On the radio this morning, Paul Harvey said that Hillary was withdrawing her idea for the $5000 baby bonds. Said that if you added up the interest, those babies would be republicans LOL. Haven't seen anything on the news about it.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:19:32 GMT

Will the republicans be able to compete with the democrats in the funds race for the general election?
Right now it doesn't look like they can.

Van

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MK,MO — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:21:39 GMT

'The polls follow the money and the money follows the polls.'

although I agree with the above statement that van made, does anyone else see the basic corrupt nature of it?

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Rick,ky — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:24:39 GMT

Just save it for something worth saying DOT(IL).This clueless bunch of so-called pundits, have their collective heads so far up Hillary's ass, they won't see sunshine till next spring.Sadly, any respect they may have had, has gone away with their undying love for hillary. Since the voter's have the last say, it is US who will havta prove them wrong because We are the last line of defense for this Gr8 nation. Not one thread has been posted on this site about how this conservative state is about to throw out Another Gay old pedophile govenor in about 3 week's after only one term. it just goes to show anyone who's watching, these pundits are clueless to the American Voter." DELUSIONAL THINKING BY COMMON SENSE VOTER'S IS OVER"

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Siegfried, Central Illinois — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:25:59 GMT

Jerry--
Links to a non-blog report on the eavesdropping you're referring to would be appreciated.

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Grace, NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:29:48 GMT

Van...can you add/ If not so can you read anything other than what you want to read

With the third-quarter behind us, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama find themselves in a virtual tie in primary cash. Both candidates have about $32 million in primary funds when debt is factored in, even though Clinton outraised Obama in the third quarter ($22 million to $19 million). (Jeanne Cummings, The Politico; Brody Mullins and Mary Jacoby, Wall Street Journal)

Hillary plays games with accounting like she does everything else. If you carry it as debt then you can show more COH. I guess that's how shell handle the nations finances also

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MIke RC, Rockwall, Texas — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:30:19 GMT

Dot, I agree wholeheartedly with you. To add to your point, I urge all voters not to be influenced by the polling, but to go vote for the candidate you believe will do the best job and do so regardless of what the polls supposedly say. I am truly hoping that the actual vote tallies will be very different from what the polls seem to be predicting.

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Bee — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:31:44 GMT

After doing my reseach, i realized clinton owned more money in debt. I guess Van must be on cool aid.

Here another dirty tactics about the Clinton that i told you guys about yesterday. Our liberty is for sale as far is Clinton is concern.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/gop-targeting-clinton-on-phone-call-snooping-2007-10-16.html

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Dot, Illinois — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:32:56 GMT

MK,MO

Yes, I had the same thought. I won't deny Van's statement either, but it upsets me.

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Bee — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:34:10 GMT

This is the reason democrats should be scared of another Clinton in the white house. The democratic party is dead as long as they keep electing people that have compromise their value.
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Republicans plan to seize on an allegation from the 1992 presidential campaign to tarnish Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) on the red-hot issue of government surveillance.

Government surveillance will be at the forefront of the political debate this fall as congressional Democrats and President Bush square off over legislation allowing electronic spying on U.S. soil without a warrant.

Republicans are focusing on an allegation in a recent book by two Pulitzer Prize-winning reporters, which suggests Clinton listened to a secretly recorded conversation between political opponents.

In their book about Clinton’s rise to power, Her Way, Don Van Natta Jr., an investigative reporter at The New York Times, and Jeff Gerth, who spent 30 years as an investigative reporter at the paper, wrote: “Hillary’s defense activities ranged from the inspirational to the microscopic to the down and dirty. She received memos about the status of various press inquiries; she vetted senior campaign aides; and she listened to a secretly recorded audiotape of a phone conversation of Clinton critics plotting their next attack.

“The tape contained discussions of another woman who might surface with allegations about an affair with Bill,” Gerth and Van Natta wrote in reference to Clinton’s husband, former President Bill Clinton. “Bill’s supporters monitored frequencies used by cell phones, and the tape was made during one of those monitoring sessions.”

A GOP official said, “Hillary Clinton’s campaign hypocrisy continues to know no bounds. It is rather unbelievable that Clinton would listen in to conversations being conducted by political opponents, but refuse to allow our intelligence agencies to listen in to conversations being conducted by terrorists as they plot and plan to kill us. Team Clinton can expect to see and hear this over and over again over the course of the next year.”

Gerth told The Hill that he learned of the incident in 2006 when he interviewed a former campaign aide present at the tape playing. He has not revealed the aide’s identity. Clinton’s campaign has not disputed any facts reported in the final version of his book, which became public this spring, he said.

“It hasn’t been challenged,” said Gerth. “There hasn’t been one fact in the book that’s been challenged.”

Clinton’s spokesman panned the book but declined to discuss the allegation that Clinton had reviewed secretly recorded calls. “We don’t comment on books that are utter and complete failures,” said Clinton’s press secretary, Philippe Reines.

Her Way’s Amazon.com sales rank is 43,016.

Several legal experts said it was illegal to intercept cell phone conversations in 1992.

“It’s been clear that since 1986 it was illegal to intercept an individual cell phone call,” said Barry Steinhardt, the director of the technology and liberty program at the American Civil Liberties Union.

In 1986, Congress broadened wiretapping law to prohibit the interception of electronic communications, as well as the use or disclosure of intercepted electronic communications. Two court cases have since cited that action in ruling the interception of cell phone communications illegal: Bartnicki v. Vopper, 2001, and Company v. United States, 2003.

Clinton has made privacy an issue on the campaign trail. In July, she discussed her privacy bill of rights in a speech to the American Constitution Society. The proposed rights, ensconced in the Protect Act, include the right to sue when privacy rules have been violated; the right to protect phone records; and the right to freeze credit in the event of identity theft.

During the same speech, she addressed the controversy over government surveillance.

“Every president should save those powers for limited, critical situations,” said Clinton, according to a copy of the speech posted on her campaign website. “And when it comes to a regular program of searching for information that touches the privacy of ordinary Americans, those programs need to be monitored and reviewed as set out by Congress in cooperation with the judiciary.

“That is the essence of the compact we have with each other and with our government, and we cannot ignore it.”

In August, Clinton voted against an emergency law that temporarily expanded the government’s power to conduct surveillance on American soil without a warrant. The bill was criticized for being overly broad and sidelining the role of a special court set up by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. The Senate’s other Democratic presidential candidates, Sens. Barack Obama (Ill.), Chris Dodd (Conn.), and Joseph Biden (Del.), also voted against the bill.

Clinton’s chief political strategist, Mark Penn, became embroiled recently in a controversy over intercepted electronic communications. Mitchell Markel, a former vice president at Penn’s firm, Penn, Schoen & Berland, filed a lawsuit against Penn accusing him of intercepting e-mail. Markel claimed that the firm illegally monitored messages sent from his BlackBerry after he joined another company.
Markel dropped the suit in July after reaching a settlement with Penn, Schoen & Berland.

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Lyn, MD — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:37:23 GMT

Hard truths: He's spending money as fast as he collects it, the money flow has narrowed, he's further behind in all the polls then he was three months ago.
It will be harder to raise funds from his, "maximum ($4,600.00) individual donors and corporate support (Goldman, Sachs, J.P. Morgan Chase, Citigroup, etc.)

She out raised him by 33% last quarter, and is on track to out raise him by 100%, that's TWICE as MUCH, this quarter. He has less cash, is spending more (and needs to spend more), while collecting less. Do the math. Something big has to happen for Obama, but what?

Van

Same ole crap every month. Hillary spent the same amount as Obama...in some reports she spent $1 million more. Michelle sold out a $2,300 per head funraiser in Europe last night I know my neice was there her friend tried to late to get a ticket-(visiting)packed ballroom. My friends and I have pledged to raise (bundle) $10k this quarter.

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Lyn, MD — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:40:47 GMT

BTW VAn ..Obama just needs to wait she will do it to herself:

GOP targeting Clinton on phone-call snooping

Republicans are focusing on an allegation in a recent book by two Pulitzer Prize-winning reporters, which suggests Clinton listened to a secretly recorded conversation between political opponents.

In their book about Clinton’s rise to power, Her Way, Don Van Natta Jr., an investigative reporter at The New York Times, and Jeff Gerth, who spent 30 years as an investigative reporter at the paper, wrote: “Hillary’s defense activities ranged from the inspirational to the microscopic to the down and dirty. She received memos about the status of various press inquiries; she vetted senior campaign aides; and she listened to a secretly recorded audiotape of a phone conversation of Clinton critics plotting their next attack.

“The tape contained discussions of another woman who might surface with allegations about an affair with Bill,” Gerth and Van Natta wrote in reference to Clinton’s husband, former President Bill Clinton. “Bill’s supporters monitored frequencies used by cell phones, and the tape was made during one of those monitoring sessions.”

It’s been clear that since 1986 it was illegal to intercept an individual cell phone call,” said Barry Steinhardt, the director of the technology and liberty program at the American Civil Liberties Union

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/gop-targeting-clinton-on-phone-call-snooping-2007-10-16.html

I see part of that was checking up on Bill...how much in tax payer $$ will she spend following him around to keep him in line if she gets in the WhiteHouse. Think about it America LOL

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Shadow, Hamden, CT — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:42:15 GMT

Mark Murray - On the other hand, Dean had no challengers above 10% by December of 2003, no one raising as much money as him (let alone twelve million more in primary dollars) and he had huge leads in every state including Iowa. In all those metrics, Clinton is in a weaker position than Dean was; all in all though, I think it's a wash where the Dean and Clinton campaigns are the same phenonemon in terms of the trajectory of their poll numbers. If anything, Clinton's expectations are even higher than Dean's in 2004, and when she doesn't win Iowa, the negative press spiral from those dashed expectations is going to be unstoppable.

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Lek — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:43:25 GMT

Why the Clinton's cannot be trusted?

Republicans plan to seize on an allegation from the 1992 presidential campaign to tarnish Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) on the red-hot issue of government surveillance.

Government surveillance will be at the forefront of the political debate this fall as congressional Democrats and President Bush square off over legislation allowing electronic spying on U.S. soil without a warrant.

Republicans are focusing on an allegation in a recent book by two Pulitzer Prize-winning reporters, which suggests Clinton listened to a secretly recorded conversation between political opponents.

In their book about Clinton’s rise to power, Her Way, Don Van Natta Jr., an investigative reporter at The New York Times, and Jeff Gerth, who spent 30 years as an investigative reporter at the paper, wrote: “Hillary’s defense activities ranged from the inspirational to the microscopic to the down and dirty. She received memos about the status of various press inquiries; she vetted senior campaign aides; and she listened to a secretly recorded audiotape of a phone conversation of Clinton critics plotting their next attack.

“The tape contained discussions of another woman who might surface with allegations about an affair with Bill,” Gerth and Van Natta wrote in reference to Clinton’s husband, former President Bill Clinton. “Bill’s supporters monitored frequencies used by cell phones, and the tape was made during one of those monitoring sessions.”

A GOP official said, “Hillary Clinton’s campaign hypocrisy continues to know no bounds. It is rather unbelievable that Clinton would listen in to conversations being conducted by political opponents, but refuse to allow our intelligence agencies to listen in to conversations being conducted by terrorists as they plot and plan to kill us. Team Clinton can expect to see and hear this over and over again over the course of the next year.”

Gerth told The Hill that he learned of the incident in 2006 when he interviewed a former campaign aide present at the tape playing. He has not revealed the aide’s identity. Clinton’s campaign has not disputed any facts reported in the final version of his book, which became public this spring, he said.

“It hasn’t been challenged,” said Gerth. “There hasn’t been one fact in the book that’s been challenged.”

Clinton’s spokesman panned the book but declined to discuss the allegation that Clinton had reviewed secretly recorded calls. “We don’t comment on books that are utter and complete failures,” said Clinton’s press secretary, Philippe Reines.

Her Way’s Amazon.com sales rank is 43,016.

Several legal experts said it was illegal to intercept cell phone conversations in 1992.

“It’s been clear that since 1986 it was illegal to intercept an individual cell phone call,” said Barry Steinhardt, the director of the technology and liberty program at the American Civil Liberties Union.

In 1986, Congress broadened wiretapping law to prohibit the interception of electronic communications, as well as the use or disclosure of intercepted electronic communications. Two court cases have since cited that action in ruling the interception of cell phone communications illegal: Bartnicki v. Vopper, 2001, and Company v. United States, 2003.

Clinton has made privacy an issue on the campaign trail. In July, she discussed her privacy bill of rights in a speech to the American Constitution Society. The proposed rights, ensconced in the Protect Act, include the right to sue when privacy rules have been violated; the right to protect phone records; and the right to freeze credit in the event of identity theft.

During the same speech, she addressed the controversy over government surveillance.

“Every president should save those powers for limited, critical situations,” said Clinton, according to a copy of the speech posted on her campaign website. “And when it comes to a regular program of searching for information that touches the privacy of ordinary Americans, those programs need to be monitored and reviewed as set out by Congress in cooperation with the judiciary.

“That is the essence of the compact we have with each other and with our government, and we cannot ignore it.”

In August, Clinton voted against an emergency law that temporarily expanded the government’s power to conduct surveillance on American soil without a warrant. The bill was criticized for being overly broad and sidelining the role of a special court set up by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. The Senate’s other Democratic presidential candidates, Sens. Barack Obama (Ill.), Chris Dodd (Conn.), and Joseph Biden (Del.), also voted against the bill.

Clinton’s chief political strategist, Mark Penn, became embroiled recently in a controversy over intercepted electronic communications. Mitchell Markel, a former vice president at Penn’s firm, Penn, Schoen & Berland, filed a lawsuit against Penn accusing him of intercepting e-mail. Markel claimed that the firm illegally monitored messages sent from his BlackBerry after he joined another company.
Markel dropped the suit in July after reaching a settlement with Penn, Schoen & Berland

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vanreuter, NY NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:43:26 GMT

I would feel sorry for those of you who have been brave enough to come out on this dark day and fight the good fight armed with your rationalizations, anger and usual slanders, if it weren't for the fact that you can't support your candidate without having to smear, denigrate and demonize Hillary. As it stands, I'll enjoy today's attempts to find the silver lining, and failing that, attacking Clinton even harder.

Today's word is: BURN-RATE
If it's over 100%...

Van

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H P Boston — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:46:14 GMT

j do you think you can spare a couple of bucks from your tight little budget, the GOP needs all the money it can get. I guess the right wing evangelical are not haunting the faithful for donations this year. Come on j do your part, put your money to good use the boys NEED help!

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csh, IL — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:47:22 GMT

Hillary has run a flawless campaign including her flawless performances at the debates. That’s why she’s so far ahead and will win the nomination and, very possibly, the White House. She has a 30 year record of fighting for causes to support, children and families and her intelligence and experience is exactly what we need to clean up the mess that Bush/Cheney have created in the last six years.

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Bob former NYer, Charlotte,NC — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:48:39 GMT

To Pat Huntington,NY
Please tell those of us who are not as informed as you what the carpet bagger who calls herself Hilary reaaly did for New York in her tenure other than use it as visibility for her national campaign. Remember only the truth. And as for Hilary being able to work with both sides, could it be becuase sher is a political chamelon and is for whatever side fits her needs.

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Steve A Jonesboro IN — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:50:07 GMT

Mccain is lagging, and I hope it's because people can see what a phony he is. His "stroll through Baghdad" (of course surrounded by troops and gunships), his preaching of endless war with everybody. His only other talking point is the BS "fiscal restraint", but yet he wants to continue throwing billins into the cesspool in Iraq, and probably Iran - but he can't even run a fiscally responsible campaign! I hope people realize that someone will have to pay for all of this, and it won't be the millitary/industrial complex!

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vanreuter, NY NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:50:16 GMT

Goldman Sachs
$311,228
$134,050

Match the candidate to the CORPORATE contribution.

Van

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vanreuter, NY NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:53:03 GMT

Citigroup

$160,500

$152,750

Match the candidate to the CORPORATE contribution.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:53:38 GMT

Siegfried:

From First read this morning....

You never know when one of these stories gets legs. The Hill reports on how some Republicans are seizing on a buried allegation in the Gerth/Van Natta Clinton book that she listened to an illegally obtained recording of Clinton critics during the '92 campaign. “Gerth told The Hill that he learned of the incident in 2006 when he interviewed a former campaign aide present at the tape playing. He has not revealed the aide’s identity. Clinton’s campaign has not disputed any facts reported in the final version of his book, which became public this spring, he said. ‘It hasn’t been challenged,’ said Gerth. ‘There hasn’t been one fact in the book that’s been challenged.’”

If they have their source, he should come out and tell us what he knows so the FBI can get the investigation started.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:55:11 GMT

J.P. Morgan Chase

$156,580

$ 84,500

Match the candidate to the CORPORATE contribution.

Van

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John B, Des Moines, IA — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:00:18 GMT

Bee, Dave, and jerry, while Hillary isn't my first choice of candidate it's ridiculous to suggest that things from her past will come back to destroy her campaign. It's thought of as an advantage to have a candidate that's thoroughly vetted before the stretch run of a campaign so that there are no surprises. I don't know how anyone can be more thoroughly vetted than Hillary after the GOP spent over $50M out of the US Treasury plus many millions more through the Arkansas Project and other privately funded efforts attempting to destroy the Clintons. What did we get? Bill Clinton likes the ladies, something that was known before he ever ran for President. Pets.com didn't flop that spectacularly. Give it up, already.

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chasing rabbits — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:10:15 GMT

this Tuesday afternoon i know we wlll find bin Laden,or it may be another day of

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Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:10:42 GMT

DEAR MR. PRESIDENT: IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID ! YOU SUCK

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H P Boston — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:14:12 GMT

Well Grace NY I guess her voodoo will be as good as the voodoo this administration crafted. Pretending to be shrinking the deficit all the while increasing it!

You called it with your spelling error, it is a SHELL game. Iraq has more than crippled many soldiers, it has crippled our economy.

Our candidates for president will have to really want the job because it is HUGE!
Senator Clinton has the knowledge and follows the money and the polls.
She is the better POLITIAN and works smarter and harder than the her opponents.
I admire her courage , tenacity, ambition, experience, steadfastness, commitment, intelligence and sense of duty! She will be a great President!
The rest of the field are mediocre at best.

Oh and do not imply I do not know where she stands on issues. I do, and I agree with her on so many, it makes her MY choice for President.

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Ron, Seattle, Wash — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:18:04 GMT

The entire world asks...why are americans so partisanship to the point of accepting an IDIOT in power, whom still has a 28% approval rate!!!!
Wake up silly people, you country is sinking with the crazy Righties led by Fox channel!!!

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Jessica, Wisconsin — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:22:27 GMT

Van,

You forgot to mention that with the numbers out now it looks like Obama attracked more new contributors that Hillary. He had 108,000 compared to Hillary's 100,000.

Just thought I would point that out since you seem to like to keep track of all the numbers.

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Tom, Minneapolis, MN — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:24:58 GMT

How about the USA becoming more like a Central America country? Increase in the gap b/t rich and poor with serious social problems. Soon, the rich will have to contract Blackwater security guys to be able to go out on the streets of a New America. There's so much a poor man can take.

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REG; East Valley Phx. AZ — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:34:07 GMT

Seeking simple clarity: The way I see it, it really isn’t a matter of Republican vs. Democratic, conservative vs. liberal, Christian vs. non-Christian or any of the many other bias dichotomies that make us vulnerable to being manipulated. Really, for me, it is just recognizing the Bush administration as the worst in history, seeing the gross dishonesty, the arrogance, the constant self-serving use of their offices and America’s resources to benefit Special Interests and a select few, who then return powerful support and influential backing, while they just unconscionably and contemptuously give the majority apathy, the costs and an abundance of subterfuge; for me it really is just in recognizing their egotistic self-indulgence while they take the average American for granted and then it is simply my feeling that I sincerely don’t want ‘more of the same’. I don’t care if it ends up being a Republican or a Democrat next time as long as I feel whoever it is they sincerely, with honesty and integrity, with character, with real compassion for the American people, and with enough humility to check their strong ego, are truly responsible and not apt to just do ‘more of the same’. Some postings I’ve read advocate that we don’t have any real choice, that the powerful and influential few have the total control. Some even say that is necessary, appropriate and beneficial and I sincerely hope they are wrong. I truly hope that the voters genuinely have a real choice and can see through all of the deceptive subterfuge to truly execute that choice. Idealistic? Naïve? Maybe, but better that than just being hopeless or complacent.

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Lyn,MD — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:36:24 GMT

She out raised him by 33% last quarter, and is on track to out raise him by 100%, that's TWICE as MUCH, this quarter. He has less cash, is spending more (and needs to spend more), while collecting less. Do the math. Something big has to happen for Obama, but what?

Van

This is why you should NEVER believe what Van says. Unless you adhere to the Clinton defintion of words like"is" and "I" or her followers.

Van..What "color is the sky in your world" when $23 million is 33% more than $20 million (primary) or for that matter $27 million is 33% more than $22 million.

Even with her funny money accounting they are virtually "TIED" for COH. Gets back to being HONEST with American people.

But what would you expect this is a woman who illegally evasedrops on her Husband with Taxpayer $$$

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Amy B Portland, ME — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:54:05 GMT

It is extremely disturbing to me that Clinton aides taped Republican cell phone conversations in 1992. Of course, Republicans jammed Democratic phone lines in NH on election day, and Karl Rove later threw a party to raise money for their defense, but, hey, two wrongs don't make a right. In my mind, this is a very good argument for nominating Obama or Edwards.

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Pat, Huntington, NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:56:10 GMT

Bob former NYer, Charlotte,NC asks what has Hillary done for NY lately?

Secured billions of dollars from the federal gov't to fund WTC redevelopment, aid to first responders and businesses harmed by the attack [she also went to ground zero 9-12]. She kept pressure on EPA to get it's act straight about the air quality issue in lower Manhatten. She's secured millions of dollars for breast cancer research [Long Island has the highest breast cancer rate in the nation]. She opposed what would have been an ecological disaster - a gas barge fueling station in Long Island sound. She opposed writing discrimination into the US Constitution. She helped secure millions of federal monies to help construct the East Side Access Tunnel to bring the Long Island Railroad into Grand Central Station. These are but a few examples of what Hillary has done for NY lately. If you want additional examples, go to her website.

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Dave, Tn — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:00:04 GMT

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vanreuter, NY NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:06:41 GMT

Just thought I would point that out since you seem to like to keep track of all the numbers.

Jessica, Wisconsin (Sent Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:22 AM)

Thanks.

Yes, it's a great day for Barack!

Van

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Grace, NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:08:25 GMT

HP...I assume that you agree with the illegal easedropping also...if so then you are really are not a democrat

GOP targeting Clinton on phone-call snooping

Republicans are focusing on an allegation in a recent book by two Pulitzer Prize-winning reporters, which suggests Clinton listened to a secretly recorded conversation between political opponents.

In their book about Clinton’s rise to power, Her Way, Don Van Natta Jr., an investigative reporter at The New York Times, and Jeff Gerth, who spent 30 years as an investigative reporter at the paper, wrote: “Hillary’s defense activities ranged from the inspirational to the microscopic to the down and dirty. She received memos about the status of various press inquiries; she vetted senior campaign aides; and she listened to a secretly recorded audiotape of a phone conversation of Clinton critics plotting their next attack.

“The tape contained discussions of another woman who might surface with allegations about an affair with Bill,” Gerth and Van Natta wrote in reference to Clinton’s husband, former President Bill Clinton. “Bill’s supporters monitored frequencies used by cell phones, and the tape was made during one of those monitoring sessions.”

It’s been clear that since 1986 it was illegal to intercept an individual cell phone call,” said Barry Steinhardt, the director of the technology and liberty program at the American Civil Liberties Union

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/gop-targeting-clinton-on-phone-call-snooping-2007-10-16.html

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Jan, Nashua, NH — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:09:06 GMT

I agree -- If Gerth has the name of the Clinton aide from 1992, let's have it!

This is how SAD the *2008* GOP Party of "ideas" has become, these 16 years later:
~ "You never know when one of these stories gets legs."
~ The Hill reports on how "SOME" Republicans are seizing on a buried "ALLEGATION"...
~ "He has not revealed the aide’s identity"
~ "Clinton’s campaign has not disputed any facts reported in the final version of his book..."

Pssst!!!!
Clinton hasn't disputed any LIES in the book either. As a matter of fact, Clinton acts as if she considers Gerth a horsefly on the ass of yellow journalism.

NOTE: Gerht's Amazon sales rank is #...(wait for it, wait for it)... 43,016!!!
L.M.F.A.O.
This rumor will allegedly, according to some Republicans, just DESTROY the Clintons.

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Susan,Miami — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:13:19 GMT

HP You got it all right. But they continue to blather on and on with stretching the truth and scare tactics against the Clintons. Hillary will make a fantastic president. Boohoo for the likes of Jerry and his gang.

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Amy B Portland, ME — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:17:00 GMT

The problem with Todd, et al, spending so much ink on prognasticating the horse race is their opinion begins to shape the outcome of the race. What is the point of predicting a winner this early when much of the polling is influenced by name recognition, not informed commitment to a candidate? First Read and the rest of the MSM are influencing the race by calling it this early for Clinton, instead of doing their job and giving us more information about all the candidates and their positions.

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JJ in NJ — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:19:42 GMT

Why are we even bothering to have primaries if media pundits get to decide before a single vote is cast who the nominee will be?

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Laurie, Manasquan, NJ — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:20:04 GMT

It appears that all the allegations thrown at Mrs. Clinton by Jerry and his ilk can be directed at Bush and his administration with hardly a pause in between breaths. The things you all are so afraid of are already true with the administration we have. Take off the rose colored glasses and see the forest between the trees.

Pat Huntington, NY - you are spot on in your analysis of Jerry. If he keeps posting, we might actually be able to turn him around. LOL!! Group therapy you know.....

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ki houston — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:20:19 GMT

van i used to think you were some what smart , but this math that you are tring to pull WOW ! I kinda hope that is not u because anyone with since can see that is nonsence . But how about thoses new numbers 108,000 obama 100,000 clinton ,and there is still some question off moving money around with that 22 mil. after all the facts come out u might want to rethink that post.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:23:55 GMT

Tom:

We can't be a central America country.....

We don't grow bananas.....

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:29:41 GMT

John B:

This should be a lesson for ALL candidates.....
make sure the Skeletons in your closet stays in the closet....
In Hillary's case, maybe they are in that warehouse in Little Rock......

Why shouldn't she be judged based on her past....
all the others are.....

Are you saying John B that Hillary should get a pass because she is a WOMAN???????

Now you are trying to tell people that Women are not as strong as men.....

Like Dirty Harry once said "If she wants to play lumberjack, she better handle her end of the log!"

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Dot, Illinois — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:41:29 GMT

All this talk about how much money each candidate has raised. So what are we saying, that the candidate who raises the most money should be President? Is how much money they raise the only issue out there?

These people who are giving all this money, are they doing so out of the goodness of their heart, no strings attached? Pardon me if I am a little skeptical.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:49:57 GMT

after all the facts come out u might want to rethink that post.

ki houston (Sent Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:20 PM)

The facts can be found here. They have come out.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp?cycle=2008

Clinton-$27,859,861

Obama- $21,343,292

Clinton raised 1.305 times as much for the quarter as Obama, that's about one-third more.

Van

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Barbara C — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:50:41 GMT

Okay,

I will vote for whoever puts this country back on the rails again. I know we have Iraq...believe me I know because my own son gets shipped out next September; pending a miracle. But we also have domestic issues and chief among them is OIL, and Healthcare. These two issues are causing a rise in spending for the average consumer and it is hurting us deeply. Everything is going up in price. Please -- Please America...vote the real issues this time, both foreign and domestic. As a tag line on a radio station says...THINK FOR YOURSELF.

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:01:51 GMT

Pat: Hillary did some good things for NY (as every Senator tries to do for his/her state). However she voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq and then against the Levin amendment for Congressional oversight. She voted for the Lieberman/Kyl Resolution to condemn the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, a terrorist organization (defacto grounds for declaration of war by this administration).

Unfortunately, these votes, thes examples of bad judgment, among other things, more than negate any good she may have done for the state of NY. She is certainly not presidential timber.
Obama '08

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H P Boston — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:04:50 GMT

Grace NY You know what they sat about people who assume. You make an ASS of U not ME! lol well not exactly.
So we are talking dirt from the repukes are we and you are spewing it for them? Well sister sludge have a great time with it and do not forget to vote. I ASSUME a repuke gets your vote!

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John B, Des Moines, IA — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:06:10 GMT

jerry, at what point in my post did it say ANYTHING about Hillary's gender? What I did say is that your heroes have been working 24/7 for DECADES to destroy the Clintons and the only thing that's actually been proven was an affair with an intern. Admit it, this isn't about any real or even imagined offenses, it's simply about trying to destroy someone you hate.

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John B, Des Moines, IA — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:09:22 GMT

"Blackwater security guys to be able to go out on the streets of a New America. There's so much a poor man can take."

That's why it's important not to let Socialist get control of this country. You can't point to a Socialist country that has more opportunity than America. You can't even point to a city or state run by democrats here that isn't a basket case with people voting with their feet to get out of.
Dave, Tn (Sent Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:00 PM)

Um, Dave? The Blackwater mercenary army is the work of authoritarians within the GOP. So lawless enforcers on American streets are OK as long as they're conservative? Open your eyes and see the developing fascism in front of you.

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JoBere Richards, NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:10:03 GMT

Bob former NYer, Charlotte,NC asks what has Hillary done for NY lately?

Secured billions of dollars from the federal gov't to fund WTC redevelopment, aid to first responders and businesses harmed by the attack [she also went to ground zero 9-12].

A trained seal could have accomplished more. Like the money wasn't going to flow into NY anyway.

You lefties are really stretching to find something, anything, of significance that Hillary has done. The woman is an absolute fake and a fraud.

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PJ — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:10:03 GMT

"Blackwater security guys to be able to go out on the streets of a New America. There's so much a poor man can take."
That's not an image of socialism, that's an image of fascism.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:12:18 GMT

Pat in Huntington NY LOL;

I did some checking on your list of items that Hillary Clinton supposedly did......

The only one I can find is the east side access tunnel.

Everything else came up nothing......

Hmmmmmm.

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doc/lewisville tx — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:14:24 GMT

After careful consideration,I have decided from reading jerry,corpus remarks lately that he must be playing Devil's advocate.If not he is definitly a full fledged moron.I tend to believe the former. Jerry,although you may enjoy the attention,please do not fall to the level of smear tactics.Politicians(all of them)say anything to be elected.We must work for a living,pay taxes and pay our own health bills.When an elected official refuses to accept the unbelievable health insurance and privleges given to our beauracRATS and works for minimum wage,only then will the Great American Dream become reality.

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Greg R., Spokane, WA — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:14:59 GMT

Boring. Everyone take your meds

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MIke RC, Rockwall, Texas — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:15:09 GMT

Dot, be skeptical, be VERY skeptical.

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John Z., Mt. Pleasant, Iowa — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:15:18 GMT

A reason that the Mondale 84 & Bush 00 don't work so well with Clinton 08 is that both of the former establishment front runners had paths to the nominations founded on big wins in the Iowa caucuses. Although tough reformer challengers emerged for both in NH, they already had an early state win. Clinton is obviously at risk of finishing second or even third in Iowa, which -- combined with Obama wins in NH and SC -- would likely cripple her campaign. She has to win somewhere in the early states to go into Feb. 5th with a chance.

Maybe a successful analogy for her would be Bush 88, who did manage to finish 3rd in Iowa but rebounded by winning NH after going brutally negative on Bob Dole. Or, if Edwards wins Iowa, an analogy could be Dukakis 88, who finished third in Iowa but then was able to rip up the broke Gephardt in the races that followed.

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Bob former NYer, Charlotte,NC — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:22:06 GMT

So Hillary is the only senator from New York or does Mr. Schumer stick his neck out with trial balloons and Hillary jumps on board when she sees its going to fly. People of NY wake up your falling under the Clinton spell again. I dislike George, but Hillary (If I can avoid being associated with it until its a winner) aint the answer. I'd prefer someone who sticks to their guns until tangible evidence dictates otherwise, rather than someone who rides coat tails. If heaven for bid she becomes President (I always did like the Canadian national anthemn) who will she hide behind. I don't need to go to Hillary's website to view her version of the truth.

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bb — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:25:54 GMT

Jerry is Bee and Lyn and Sierra. His personalities are growing by the day.

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Mark Thieme — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:30:21 GMT

Historically, major polls have been wrong at least 77% of the time since 1960 (according to which statistical study you accept) in presidential primary elections (counting cumulatively).

Historically, one bad (blown) primary and the polls change overnight. (in sports, see "invincible" USC)

Historically, money raised before actual voting don't mean squat. Money doesn't follow polls after the voting starts, it follows winners.

That was then. This is now. In spite of, because of, without reference to, whatever, bet the mortgage on Hillary.

Easy money.

Like Patton in North Africa...there ain't no stopping her now.

We may arguing how or why, but she will be taking the oath in January 2009.

It could be worse.

It already is.

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Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:36:07 GMT

Get "real" folks Bush is leading us on the path to distruction. Hope everyone has enough money to pay for the $5-$6-$7-$8.00 a gallon for gas. Hope you don't plan on retiring any time soon, hope you don't need health care, hope you keep your job on during the recession or "depression" to come,hope you don't need to sell or buy a home, hope you don't have a loved one fighting this rediculious cival war in Iraq,hope you don't mind the goverment listing in on your private conversations, hope you don't mind the Justice Department in a mess,hope you don't mind Senator Craig to continue to represent you, hope you don't mind past Attorney Gerneral Gonzales hiring a attorney to defend himself after he resigned in discrace,hope you don't mind paying the "trillion" +++ debt of the Iraq war ect. ect.. Now if your a Republican I allready know you don't mind. Because you are out of your minds, following the President who "sucks".

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bb — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:37:47 GMT

Jerry is now also Grace! Jerry is very busy lately.

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Lyn, MD — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:43:52 GMT

bb...sorry to disappoint you but unlike Hillary'I' know the meaning of the word. I'm neither Jerry or Bee or Sierra

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:44:56 GMT

Bob:

Chuck Schumer has been awfully quiet in this election.

You would think that he would be HILLRASIN for Hillary.

Maybe he is a true New Yorker and sees what Hillary really is......a carpetbagger

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john doe — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:49:03 GMT

Ladies, ladies, ladies: cease with this endless cacophony of repeating or refuting meaningless poll-generated drivel.

Vote, and let Americans speak from the ballot box.

Dewey, McClelland, Kerry, Carter, Bryan: any of these names ring a historical bell?

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Pat, Huntington, NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:57:06 GMT

Oh boy...all I did was cite from my own personal observations here in NY what Hillary has done for us lately...in response to a question from another comment. Jerry and Bob former ny'er, you aren't here, you can't see what she's done...and yes, she wasn't alone...she's a senator, not a governor, and can only do so much as in that position. I know for god-given fact, Jerry, she's done all that I said in my comment...and no, a trained seal cant' do what she did...seals are not eligible to run for public office...not yet, but that can change with advances in stem cell research, which she supports!

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Pat, Huntington, NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:02:13 GMT

Oh and Jerry...how can you say you didn't find anything about what Hillary did to get money for NYC for post 9-11 recovery and other related 9-11 aid? That just proves to me you comment without any basis in fact. It was all over the frigg'n news how she [and Schumer] screamed at Bush to get the billions of dollars he supposedly pledged right after 9-11 when they asked for it in the first place. It was also all over the news how she's been screaming at the EPA, Christi Todd Whitman in particular [that piece of work] with regard to air quality in ground zero in her successful effort to get aid for first responders still getting sick and dying today. But I guess you wouldn't know that because you watch only Fox News and Sunday morning TV Evangelical programs oh, and the 300 Club with Pat Robertson.

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Lyn, MD — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:02:33 GMT

Obama supporters...(and of course anyone else-you too Van) if you havn't gone to the website today
www.barackobama.com the ticker is rolling. Since 9am almost $400k has come in, we'll have the gap closed in no time.

All he has to do is give a "shout out"

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James, SC — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:08:34 GMT

The middle class and the poor will finally be getting the help they need. My family and I were doing way, way better during the Clinton years. Yes! I do want some of that Clinton magic back ....God, I can't wait!

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Richard, Washington State — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:09:39 GMT

Have you heard about the new Democratic bakery chain? It's hottest item is the "Hillaroll".

Also, if you can't afford to bid on the original Harry Reid letter to Rush Limbaugh, personally autographed by Harry and 41 prominent Dem politicians (it's over $50 grand now) you can download a free PDF on his website!

Go Hillary!

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Mark Thieme — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:09:59 GMT

Come to think of it, we are already arguing about how or why HC rules and not one vote has been cast.

This turkey has been in the oven for 8 years. It's time.

If you can't stand the heat...

(Me? I'm vegan)

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Richard, Washington State — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:12:06 GMT

Aren't we still in the pre-primary season?

Why would anyone send a candidate money already?

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bb — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:23:03 GMT

Sorry Lyn, but you do sound like him with your obsessive Hillary hating. And what is your party affiliation? Just wondering.You know the meaning of what word?

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:23:36 GMT

You guys didn't post my earlier of 2 comments; my usual anti-Hillary rant probably got lost in the flood of similar comments.

In summary I said that we would be better served by paying attention to the issues than trying to handicap the horserace. A good discussion of the issues is the best way to make the selection process most genuine. The prognosticators risk being used as a campaign tactic and can be used influence the race as opposed to just commenting on it.

BTW, the internet and it's amplified potential for fund raising and communication makes the comparison to the Dean campaign only relevent in that the internet had not yet matured enough to produce the necessary groundswell to put him over the top in '04 (among other factors). The internet has come a long way in 4 years and now may be strong enough to counter Hillary's corporate donors. The comparisons to Mondale in '84 and GWB in '99 are less valid because of the different technology of that time.

It's up to us who post on these sites to prevent you, the employees of the corporate media from attaching too much significance to these aggregate polls. Right now, although all polls are fairly insignificant in their predictive capability, if they must be looked at, it should be in a seqential time frame as one significantly affects the next one on the calendar. So, for what it's worth, only the Iowa poll is of significance on this, the 16th day of October.

Anyway, let's keep it real and make this a valuable site by discussing the issues (as boring as that may be) since the issues are the thing that will affect our lives. The horserace will work itself out as the issues are thoroughly discussed.
Obama '08

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Bee — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:36:15 GMT

Bee is no Jerry nor Billary CLinton. My name is Bee, which stand for Anti-Establishment.

Clinton, Van and Howard Wofson cannot be trusted with our beloved country.

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Richard, Washington State — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:43:01 GMT

Did you hear about the latest health condition where a little extra around the middle can increase the chances of diabetes?

It's called the "Hillaroll"!

Go Hillary!

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Richard, Washington State — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:49:38 GMT

Did you know it's not "rockabilly" anymore?

It's Hillaroll!

Go Hillary!

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FDR — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:53:47 GMT

there are many ways of going forward, but only one way of standing still

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Lee Holmes — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:15:28 GMT

John B. This ''Blackwater As Conservative Fascism''is ridiculous. You forget that private mercenaries [like extraordinary rendition],were also a portion of the 1990s,and no-one was whining about incipient ''fascism''then. DYNCORP,Americas largest mercenary organization before BLACKWATER,was involved in killings in Kosovo,Haiti,and Somalia.[in the Balkans,they also ran an illegal sex slavery ring].Yet because it was Clinton at the helm,liberals kept their usually big mouths shut.

Also see:

US News and World Report Jan.20,1998:''Have Gun,Will Prop Up Regime''.

Foreign Policy Magazine,Fall,1998:''Outsourcing War''Schear,David.

TIME Magazine May 25,1998:''Did The US Put It's Foot Down,Only To Turn Away?"

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:23:29 GMT

I don't have Channel one in NYC Pat......

I do watch Fox and ABC and NBC and CBS.......

been kinda quiet on her things she does for the state of New York......

You would think she would tout her big victories working hard for the people of New York.......

Wonder if her supposed victories just aren't that much to crow about??????

Everybody equates Rudy as the Man who saved New York City on 9-11......

What do they equate Hillary with?.......

The woman who listens in on illegal wiretaps?
gets money from criminals
makes money from cattle futures?
got horsewhipped during the last health care debate?

She needs to prove what she did to get national coverage......

All the media thinks of her is that she is a woman...

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vanreuter, NY NY — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:29:49 GMT

All he has to do is give a "shout out"

Lyn, MD (Sent Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:02 PM)

Thank goodness Clinton has ceased raising funds in order to let Obama, "catch up".

Always look for the silver lining...

Van

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Jest wondering — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:31:23 GMT

My gosh, what is Obama gonna do with all that money after Hillary wins. Does he have to give it back?

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Rosemary, Simi Valley, Ca — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:39:06 GMT

Yeah, Yeah, Hilliary has a flawless campaign, so all of you think.

When we made Bush president everyone was so happy about it especially after 9/11. Now it is buyer's remorse. It will be the same with a Hilliary Clinton presidency, buyer's remorse.

REMEMBER 28 years of the same 2 families in control of the Whitehouse. Is this what we really want as a Country of 300 + million people. Is this the best we can do?

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jerry/ corpus christi texas — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:49:35 GMT

Hillary makes my pee pee shrink.

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Nance, Omaha — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:58:31 GMT

Lyn ". . . how she [and Schumer] screamed at Bush to get the billions of dollars . . . "

That is exactly what Hillary and Chuck do best, scream for other peoples money.

Anyone that elects this woman to anything above dog catcher deserves what they get.

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Bob former NYer,charlotte,nc — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:00:34 GMT

Pat from Huntington
I am there in New York, I moved from Huntington to NC one year ago and travel bak 2 weeks a month on business, so I get to see first hand what Hills isn't doing for NY. I pray that it doesn't infect the whole country. Can we say O' Canada my home and native land.

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doc/lewisville tx — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:26:48 GMT

Since this entire election mess has turned to the allmighty dollar here's a couple of ideas: There can be no contributions by anyone that exceeds $10.Corporations may not participate,as well as unions or any other organization,including chuches. All washington phones and computers will be monitored by the Justice Dept.(welcome to the citizens world). Lobbyists from Anywhere should be barred from ALL elected officials. Eliminate all taxes and charge a flat 21%tax on all monies used or traded. Eliminate social security tax on all people earning under 50k and put no earning cap on social security tax. Stop using our taxes to support politicians exorbitant health care and life style(we're told there is no caste or nobility system in America.Prove it!) Stop robbing the social security funds or go to jail. Make it illegal to campaign until six weeks before the election. By the way,good luck having a constructive conversation between any differing parties.9/11 did not unite our country,it created a gulf we may never close. Thanks a lot to red&blue,conservative&liberal.

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John Doe, The Peanut Gallery — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:27:22 GMT

So... if I understand this correctly, Jerry thinks that a campaign aide fingered Hillary for monitoring calls in 1992 which is a felony. And he believes that this is true despite the fact that the DoJ has been under the control of Hillary's most ardent political foes and yet they have yet to even open an investigation and no legal action has been taken. Do you really think that the GOP would hesitate to tag any Clinton with a felony if they could? God knows you wouldn't...

News flash Jerry: If the allegations you are spouting today (or any of the other half baked theories you spout on any day for that matter) where true, there would be arrests, investigations, and press coverage. There is isn't. But it sure is fun to watch you foam at the mouth. =)

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JoeBob, Arkansas — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:08:16 GMT

Hillary and Bill should do a Cialis commercial. You know, to promote universal healthcare.

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Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:12:37 GMT

Bee you are really confused. So don't vote I guess.

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Richard, Washington State — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:14:33 GMT

James, SC:

I'm doing better now than I was when Clinton was president and I'm as middle class and average as you can get. Things weren't too bad then, either.

Which proves mostly nothing, I think.

At least you seem prepared to THINK you will be happier and better off if Hillary is elected, regardless of whether you really are, but that's about 90% of the battle.

I'm curious, however. If it's not too personal,what are the specific criteria on which you judge YOUR current life position as opposed to when Clinton was president?

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MICK — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:18:33 GMT

We already know The Family Institute has shown SUPPORT for Romney SINCE HIS MAJOR CONTRIBUTIONS JUST MONTHS BEFORE ANNOUNCING HIS CANDIDACY...CONTRIBS. TO MAJOR CONSERVATIVE/CHRISTIAN GROUPS ROMNEY HAD NEVER CONTRIBUTED TO BEFORE, NOR ANY LIKE THEM, ACCORDING TO PUBLIC RECORD. THIS SAME GROUP CRITICIZED ROMNEY BEFORE CONTRIBUTIONS. SOME ARE QUESTIONING CONFLICT OF INTEREST. (NYT 03/11/07)

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Tim Los Angeles, CA — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:24:19 GMT

I have to say That at first, I was skeptical of a woman President , But now I am convinced that not only would Hillary be the ideal candidate, But she would the smartest choice, After all Bush has done every thing possible to run this country into the ground, and done a very good job at this.

So give this country another chance , Beside men have done noting but tear down our country , especially the Republican Party , So lets give a lady a chance to run our country, My Vote and suport is all behind Hilary Clint, its time to take care of our own country and needs from Homeless,Universal Health Care, AIDS, Unemployment and The cost of living... So if out politicians are serious it time to address our homeland issues and bring our troops home from a war Bush, Finished that his daddy couldn't

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Greg DM, IA — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:24:47 GMT

"Of course, both Bush and Mondale survived, and maybe that's the firewall-like lead Clinton is building, an ability to survive a major stumble. Dean's lead was never as solid as Clinton’s is right now. If Dean should be compared to anyone, it would be Giuliani."

HRC national numbers are inflated, if she comes in a distant second, or a close third, or fourth the race will change.

There is one similarity between Dean and Clinton in Iowa. She has some people really committed to her, but not as many as Dean, or as ardent. Dean had ardent supporters who volunteered an enormous amount of time and effort to his campaign, their devotion was almost cult like. Many of Clinton supporters will show up again and again to her event, but they aren't out trying to convince their friends to support HRC, they understand the enormous ABC ("anyone but Clinton") element in Iowa, and they don't want to make their friends mad. HRC also has a lot of soft support, people who are very open to supporting someone else, or people who support her, but won't actually attend a caucus. And like Dean she has a ceiling of support, there is an absolute limit to the the number of people willing to support her, and she will not be able to get past that ceiling. If HRC wins Iowa it will be by the lowest total delegates since Jimmy Carter. Many don't realize Carter actually came in second in Iowa to "uncommitted".

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James, SC — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:58:22 GMT

Richard, all the bills in every area are more now. My last two kids are in college and expenses are almost doubled than when my other two were in office. I got downsized twice at my job since then. My insurance doesn't pay like it used to. The air is totally more polluted now than what it used to be. Grocery bills and gas prices are enormous and my wife and I are barely making it and thinking we might have to put off retirement for years. Anyone else want to add to this rosey picture? Good economy? Bullcrap!!

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american idol — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:41:30 GMT

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Richard, Washington State — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:58:36 GMT

James, SC:

So, you're putting four kids through college, which is a great thing. And expensive, I know, except it will only be three for me. Hope they are helping out along the way.

All of the expenses you mention apply to everyone and the expenses you mention were as proportionately higher during the Clinton administration as they were during the Reagan/Bush years. Relatively speaking, we all have to deal with the same challenges.

There is an article on MSNBC just today that says that costs for food, clothing, and transportation (yeah, figure that one out) take a smaller portion of annual income today than the previous generation. Those advances have been neutralized by higher health care costs and the costs associated with day care for two income families. More annual income as a percentage goes to retirement and investments as well. Go figure.

You still have kids in college so I assume you are relatively young and healthy I hope, and once you have taken care of the kids you can turn your thoughts to retirement. It will get easier and it's supposed to be tough at that stage. It's never been any different.

Your post doesn't reveal any serious health problems but we all have to deal with higher insurance costs. This will continue as the baby boomers age and my own recent experience with my aging parents shows it will be even more challenging. We'll all figure it out.

I had to readjust my retirement plans when the market turned during Clinton's last year in office and the ensuing recession. However, with the market's performance the past five years, I'm almost back to plan A, if my wife will let me.

Scientific measurements actually show that air pollution in the U.S. has decreased over the past three decades and it's not a problem where I live. Don't know about where you live.

What I don't see is that, beyond someone's personal attitude and vindictiveness, these things can't be laid at the feet of a particular man, administration or political philosophy. We've had virtually the same issues for decades, through all kinds of administrations and varying levels of governmental competence.

It's not the next president or administration that's going to help you, James.

Well, I'm sure I've exceeded my bullcrap allowance by a good margin. But good luck, I hope things get better under Hillary. If things take a turn for me, well, I'll just deal with it.

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Jim, Santa Cruz — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 01:12:19 GMT

Whomever the republicans nominate, I'm voting against him.

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Jest tellingyou — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:38:56 GMT

Jest wondering --- My gosh, what is Obama gonna do with all that money after Hillary wins.

Pimp out his car.

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Elizabeth Sullivan, San Diego, CA — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:39:58 GMT

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