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jerry/corpus christi texas — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:53:25 GMT

Ron paul didn't exactly liven up the crowd last night. Rudy, Mitt and Fred pretty much held the GOP line.

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Archiphage — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:00:31 GMT

Imagine how much booing and worse there will be when those Social Security checks don't buy lunch at Denny's anymore.

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juan,ft lauderdale,fl — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:00:31 GMT

Those who hurled the boos at Paul are the same ignorant masses who still believe the garbage about WMD'S, 911/Sadam link, terrorists will swim in mass across the Atlantic, have no problems with our constitution being shredded, and ignore the reality of record murders in our big cities (i.e., 320 and counting in Philadelphia).

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Dave, Tn — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:01:12 GMT

Huckabee!!! We have the best ideas we just need someone who can freaking talk, and bat down Liberals lies before they pile up. LMAO

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steve everingham — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:03:28 GMT

it is the only issue on which Mr. Paul is any where near reasonable. All other issues he is a radical libertarian and would do away with All government.

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Shadow, Hamden, CT — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:04:30 GMT

The fact that the audience booed "75% of the American people" who oppose the war shows how grossly out of touch the Republican base is with the electorate.

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juan,ft lauderdale,fl — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:04:54 GMT

jerry-Mitt, Rudy and Fred or the The Stooges.

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Hans Geitman — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:05:02 GMT

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Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:10:24 GMT

They are phoney liers, just like their moron leader.

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JeanneGA — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:11:31 GMT

What a despicable bunch of human beings, spouting one lie after another.

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mikeeg,abdn,wa — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:12:02 GMT

The majority of Americans see thru the bush/chneyn bs and KNOW THAT IRAQ IS NOT WORTH AMERICAN LIVES AND $$$. In 08 the election will prove resoundingly that bush/cheney/gop are NOT IN AMERICAS BEST INTEREST.

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Betty, Baltimore, MD — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:12:52 GMT

The modern day GOP doesn't care what the majority of Americans want, silly! They know best. We must follow. They'll make us "free" if they have to force us, damn it!

Idiots, the whole lot.

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Kurt, Arlington, TX — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:17:18 GMT

This is decidedly not the first time a candidate got booed at a debate. See it happen to Giuliani 30 seconds into the following video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJkfVdMEx5k

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Sierra, SF — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:18:41 GMT

'Privatizing' Social Security is a scam pushed by the Wall Street investment firms to steal your retirement.
Think about all those lucrative fees Wall Street can charge American workers. A gold mine.
We just need Republicans, DLC Democrats and the info-tainment industry to convince Americans that they 'need' private accounts.

Shouldn't be hard.....
First, let's have a war with Iran.....
We've already passed Lieberman-Kyl...

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Sierra, SF — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:21:28 GMT

steve everingham: '...it is the only issue on which Mr. Paul is any where near reasonable. All other issues he is a radical libertarian and would do away with All government...'

You said it, steve !!
The rest of Paul's 'program' leaves a lot to be desired !1
No public education, no public health, replace the income tax with something that will cost the rich and large corporations even less !!
NO THANKS

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Jim B., Towanda, PA — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:22:29 GMT

Yes, the lefty loony Marxists are in good form this morning. How about something intelligent and new for a change as your child-like comments are getting old.

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IMPEACH — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:24:32 GMT

They booed Ron Paul?? Well then I know who I will vote for now! RP you are the ONE! Vote for Ron Paul if Fox people hate him he MUST be good.

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IntheMIddle, TX — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:30:35 GMT

Why are all of you Liberals worried about how Republicans treat their nominees at THEIR debate? We dont give a rats azz how you treat yours. Ive already explained before how those poll questions are asked. You can get them to say whatever, depends on agenda. Frank Rich was on Mike Gallager this morning and pretty much said the same thing. Frank Rich isnt exactly a republican.

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Douglas Jones, Locust Grove, Virginia — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:32:41 GMT

The viewers voted and Ron Paul won! Get used to it!

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J.P. — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:35:25 GMT

"Bring the troops home."

BOOOOOOOOOH!!!!!!

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Gene, CA — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:35:27 GMT

You guys keep reciting polls. Maybe 75% of LIBERALS want the U.S. to lose in Iraq. Those polls may be national but they are not reflected of a cross between political lines. I live and work among people from both sides of the issue and I have yet to hear the majrity say lets get the hell out. A lot say we need to be more forceful and brutal.

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Jacob, Ypsilanti, MI — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:35:35 GMT

"it is the only issue on which Mr. Paul is any where near reasonable. All other issues he is a radical libertarian and would do away with All government."

nonsense! he would return the FEDERAL government to it's constitutional limits, and allow state and local government to govern. if you think that returning to the founding principles of this country, laid out in the constitution, are radical, then yes it is radical.

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Gabrielle, Orlando Fla — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:36:45 GMT

they didn't boo Ron Paul. Ron just gave them the facts. The fact that the majority of Americans are sick of the occupation of Iraq and want to put an end to it. So actually, the GOP was really booing the American public not Ron Paul!! Ron Paul still won the post-debate poll to spite the GOP's antics.

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Gene, CA — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:37:33 GMT

IMPEACH: Go right ahead. I guess you will be voting in the Republican primary. Your wasted vote is greatly appreciated. ROFLMAO...

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common sense, not rich man's politics — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:38:30 GMT

They're still trying to push that privatization garbage? It didn't sell even when Bush still has SOME backers. That will only benefit hedge fund operators and wall st. Most people don't know the first thing about investing and are too busy trying to feed their families to learn. Raising the cap on Social Security to only the first $250,000 in salary will fix it in perpetuity, but try that and all repubs scream "HIGHER TAXES". It IS NOT higher taxes on 95% of the population that won't see more than $250,000 in two lifetimes, and so pays SS on every dime they will ever earn. It's going to affect people who earn more than $95,000 a year up and then only for the next $155,000. Is that REALLY too high a price to pay when the alternatives are to either cut benefits to people who have no other source of retirement income or raise the retirement age. DO you really want to tell people like coal miners, or Wal-Mart employees standing on their feet all day, that they have to keep standing (at minimum wage no less) till they're 70?

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J.M. Sadler Lapeer, Michigan — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:39:17 GMT

After the debate, Ron Paul addressed the reaction of the audience quite well telling Sean Hannity that he wasn't allotted "a thousand tickets" like the other candidates and therefore he didn't have his people representing him in the crowd. But he did go on to win, handily, the Fox News Post-debate Poll with 34% of the vote. Huckabee 2nd with 26% and Roody 3rd @ 11%. Paul also challenged Hannity's downplaying of the results asking him "you don't believe your own poll results?"

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Kevin — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:40:05 GMT

Sierra, SF - Why don't you research Ron Paul's actual positions? Check out his interview on PBS with Judy Woodruff.

Also, can you tell me why San Francisco has so many street people if its compassionate policies are supposed to be helping them?

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PC — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:41:35 GMT

These are the same people who think Saddam did 9/11, that lying about BJs is against the law, but not about events surrounding outing of CIA Personnel, the same people whose governor spent his interview talking about how much federal money he can suck out of the system. They are not conservative, so who cares what they think, they aren't in touch with reality either. It is not a coincidence that the Neocons in Commentary Magazine call people like Paul realists, because they know that they are spouting garbage to meet their ends. Of course the MSM should be tried for treason as well. If this powder keg of a country blows, the MSM will most likely find themselves in the crosshairs too. Some of us see the consequences of recent events around the world and don't appreciate their actions one bit.

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Lee in CA — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:42:13 GMT

He got Booed for THAT? I guess the chicken hawks aren't tired of it, at all. Will they be upset if some troops leave Iraq for Iran, or is that an acceptaber trade?

I got into an argument last week with this dolt saying we needed to be in Iraq, and I asked him "What for?!" and he said...."To straighten out those Iraqis."

Such ignorance.

(To whomever asked last week "Why is everyone named Lee so stupid?" I apologize.)

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Paul — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:43:37 GMT

" The rest of Paul's 'program' leaves a lot to be desired !1 No public education, no public health, replace the income tax with something that will cost the rich and large corporations even less !! "

Wow, as if that's not completely misinterpreting Ron Paul's platform...

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Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:44:00 GMT

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Andrew, NJ — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:44:06 GMT

Its really pretty simple why Ron Paul got booed. Giulliani and Romney campaign got something like 1000 tickets each for supporters to attend.

And according to the people who were at the actual debates...the "BOOING" came from 1 particular area of the audience, all of whom were sitting together...so these people were most likely just plants and apparently Rudy Giulliani supporters.

But this isn't the first time Ron Paul got booed by these nuts. Remember in May he got booed for saying that terrorists attacked us not because of our freedom, but because of our foreign policy of bombing them for 20 years, and having military bases in their holy lands.

But I agree completely with the article, the Republicans are in denial. Remember 2006? They were saying they'll actually pick up seats, and we all know how that turned out. And since then the situation in Iraq got worse, they are alienating the social and fiscal conservatives who don't agree with them on Iraq(30% of the GOP base). They are alienating the anti-war moderates(75% of them). And ofcourse democrats(90%).

But all this booing just shows to the modlerates in the party just how crazy these war mongerers are, and Ron Paul will get more $$$/support because of this. And of course this will motivate his huge grass roots effort to prove these war mongerers wrong.

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hailey — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:44:21 GMT

he doesnt want to get rid of public education1
if yoU're confused on paul's ideas go here:

http://www.ronpaulintro.com/thespins.phtml

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AllAroundYou — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:45:02 GMT

"We dont give a rats azz how you treat yours. "

You should - one of them (HINT: SHE WEARS A SKIRT) is going to be your president, and you are scheduled for a long treatment of macho/leadership re-alignments.

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Michael, Medford, Oregon — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:46:10 GMT

Quote:
>>"No public education, no public health, replace the income tax with something that will cost the rich and large corporations even less !!"

More accurately, no *federal* control of education. Paul believes that overseeing public education is not a power granted to the federal government, but instead should be handled at the state and local level.

BTW, he wants to get rid of the income tax and replace it with *nothing.* Granted, that will cost corporations less, but it will also cost individuals less, especially if we actually get rid of deficit spending.

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J.M. Sadler Lapeer, Michigan — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:46:56 GMT

Sierra SF,
You obviously haven't done ANY research of Paul's positions OR the Constitution. He would NOT do away with public education or health... but he would get the FEDERAL government out of it because it's UNCONSTITUTIONAL for the FEDERAL government to be involved. BUT.. he would ABOLISH the income tax because it too is UNCONSTITUTIONAL !!

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Citizens for Commonsense, TX — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:48:22 GMT

If you remember the FOX POLL, just like the MSNBC POLL results are not being broadcasted. It's funny how the media is keeping Ron Paul down.

RON PAUL WON THE FOX NEWS DEBATE POLL LAST NIGHT

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Dan G., Pensacola, FL — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:52:17 GMT

Ron Paul is a joke much like the Democrats. Twenty-three uncommitted voters were asked if he won the debate and not a single hand went up. The leftwing dingbats and Paul groupies are the only ones who like him. It’s kind of sad actually to think how many people lack common sense and an ability to think for themselves.

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Kendrick, Hamilton, NJ — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:53:53 GMT

Rudy' and Mitt's campaign bought most of the tickets last night. And people wonder why they got the most cheers?! And people wonder too why Dr. Paul got boo'd! Go figure!

If you cannot figure out why Dr. Paul got boo'd, you need your head examined. He's a threat to them and he's a threat to the Neocon agenda.

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Mischa, IL — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:55:05 GMT

Whoa Sierra - I don't care who you vote for, but you are dead wrong about Ron Paul and need to read up a bit before talking such lies in public. Taking education and health care from the totally useless giant of Federal Gov't and putting it back to the states will guarantee BETTER schools, health care, roads, bridges, etc. than we've ever known! As it is now our money goes to Washington and they decide how to disperse it - and they do a horrible job. The money needs to come to US in our states for health and education and cut out the middle man in Washington who doesn't have to live in our neighborhood.

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John B, Des Moines, IA — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:58:39 GMT

The GOPs general election problem is that to win the nomination a candidate needs to exactly mimic the positions of the worst president in history.

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bb — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:06:31 GMT

Ron Paul can't possibly win, EVER... and Hillary will win by a landslide. Its call REALITY.

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David James, Victoria, TX. — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:09:37 GMT

It is amazing how so many Americans want to bury their heads in the sand and pretend that there is not a threat from Islamic Extremist.

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Brian, Cedar Hill, TX — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:13:02 GMT

Hey repubs - just keep on backing that war of yours and pushing for social security privatization.

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amy — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:16:55 GMT

There is nothing that makes me happier than reading about the troubles the republicans are having. I just have to giggle when I read about the sorrowful state of the right. Keep beating the war drum Cheney! Republicans keep protecting the insurance companies while children suffer! Keep bailing out the rich who profited during the house boon! Keep declaring mission accomplished in Iraq! Nobody is buying it anymore. The American people are mad as hell and ready to do something about it. If you all stopped talking for a moment and started listenting to what the American people want you might have a fighting chance but since I know that won't happen I'm happy to delcare Hillary the winner of the next election (-:!!! He He He!!!

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Zhan, Indianapolis — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:19:46 GMT

"You guys keep reciting polls. Maybe 75% of LIBERALS want the U.S. to lose in Iraq. Those polls may be national but they are not reflected of a cross between political lines. I live and work among people from both sides of the issue and I have yet to hear the majrity say lets get the hell out. A lot say we need to be more forceful and brutal."

It didn't say liberals, it said Americans. Don't try to put names onto people that don't agree with you.

Anyways you probably don't even know what the term liberal means? Did your parents told you it meant demons or just people that want change? Now before you bs me, being liberal about anything means you want change. And liberals tend to be better people when it comes to human rights and following the law.

Conservatives like arab conservatives such al-Queda and the Baathist party want to annihilate the Jewish state of Israel. They want to conserve the arab/muslim identity. By them wanting to conserve, they are conservative. You would identify them as liberal without even knowwing what context liberalism meant. The liberal muslims are those that live mostly in the united states and don't promote acts of violence. In order for them to be conservative, they have to have a bloodthurst or a desire to kill people. All conservatives or should I say true overall conservatives for the most part are savages. Plan and simple.

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James Hines, Covington, Louisiana — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:24:20 GMT

BOOS for Ron Paul???
OH NO, OH NO!!!
Give me a break!
To begin with, the fact that a few people are actually stupid enough to reveal their own true characters by BOOING someone when he stands opposed to WAR - and, specifically, to a war that has never been DECLARED BY CONGRESS (as required by the Constitution) - ultimately amounts to a COMPLIMENT!
There are also many reports that FOX NEWS reaffirmed that it does deserve to be called "FAUX News"... that is to say ...there are reports that Fox News SCREENED those who wished to be part of the studio audience (and one can only presume the Frank Luntz "focus group" as well...). Is it any secret that Fox News has all but declared themselves an opponent of the RON PAUL campaign?
Here's a NEWS ALERT for Fox or anyone else that might be interested: when the authors of the Constitution identified providing for the COMMON DEFENSE as a central purpose of the Constitution, that was EXACTLY what they meant: to provide for the Common DEFENSE of (then) the 13 states they hoped would ratify the Constitution (and, of course, all that would follow).
On Monday, June 25 1787, during the debates in the Federal Convention of 1787 (the Convention which produced what would become our Constitution), South Carolina's Mr. Pinkney made some very interesting observations about the nature of REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT and its inconsistency with even the most informal notion of empire...
"Our true situation appears to me to be this. -a new extensive Country containing within itself the materials for forming a Government capable of extending to its citizens all the blessings of civil & religious liberty- capable of making them happy at home. This is the great end of Republican Establishments. We mistake the object of our Government, if we hope or wish that it is to make us respectable abroad. Conquest or superiority among other powers is not or ought not ever to be the object of republican systems. If they are sufficiently active & energetic to rescue us from contempt & preserve our domestic happiness & security, it is all we can expect from them,-it is more than almost any other Government ensures to its citizens."
If you advocate the kind of NATIONALISM which now presumes to speak of its love for "America" and justifies our extensive military presence throughout the world ...the kind of person who attempts to portray Ron Paul as an "enemy of the state" ...please do me a favor: please do NOT drag out your busts of the founding fathers or recite quotations of them on July 4th in an effort to pretend you have even the slightest respect for them. All you want is cheap oil and a big stick. The founding fathers would never support the fascists that FOX news has sought to pick for us as the "frontrunners."
As for social security, the founding fathers fought to secure their independence from Britain - a country they had long and proudly regarded as their "mother country" because her insistence on TAXING them without allowing THEM to elect (or remove) members of the body by which they were taxed amounted to what THEY considered slavery. In a letter sent to Parliament on July 6, 1775 - in which they were PLEADING for reunification on dignified terms even while fighting the British - the members of the Continental Congress wrote...
"We cannot endure the infamy and guilt of resigning succeeding generations to that wretchedness which inevitably awaits them, if we basely entail hereditary bondage upon them."
The current opinion of the majority of the American populace to the contrary be damned, I submit to you that SOCIAL SECURITY IS NOTHING MORE OR LESS THAN "HEREDITARY BONDAGE." If our seniors lack the decency to put an end to this program by which their own children and grandchildren are to subsidize THEIR retirement before being allowed to make any provision for their own knowing that the system will be completely bankrupt before they ever receive a penny of what they have "invested"... then our seniors deserve the place in hell that I can only hope has been reserved for them.

In Liberty ...and support for RON PAUL!

James Hines

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amy — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:25:12 GMT

Gene, CA

Honey, you don't hear people say let's get the Hell out of Iraq because like all of your cronies you are too busy talking!!! The rest of us don't even bother to reason with your stupid asses anymore. We're just waiting patiently for the next election and PRAY TO GOD you haven't F-ed up this country so bad by that time that it can still be fixed..........by a Clinton. That really gets your goat doesn't it!!!

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Franc Jones, New YOrk, NY — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:25:34 GMT

This same group of idiots would boo whomever had the audacity to tell them that they believed in evolution, also !

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Shari Mattingly — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:27:41 GMT

Hey, all of you good little German republicans! The American public has finally awakened, thankfully, before our country joined the trashheap of history. Anyone who still buys this garbage does not want American to continue her greatness and uniqueness. The Republican message cannot continue to win because it is everything that this country is not. We don't buy it anymore!

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Dave, MN — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:28:28 GMT

To those who booed RP or those who don't want out of Iraq....be sure an sign up your able bodied sons for the cause in the same breath. How many boys does Mitt have who would make good soldiers? 4...5? Sign 'em up and ship 'em out.

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Davy Jones — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:29:26 GMT

Do the left-wingers, liberals and Dems in general, have ANY other argument based upon facts? I am so sick and tired of the "victimization" of America. Social Security was NEVER intended to be used for a person's ENITRE retirement. It was a supplement to what they should have been saving all along.

The media makes or breaks a candidate. If this were not true, why is a candidate's worthiness determined by how much $$$ they raise each quarter? There are not any winners and losers in these debates. Most of the public is not watching and only getting the 30 second sound bites that their lacking intellects can handle.

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Joseph the Libertarian — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:29:32 GMT

Ron Paul 2008!

Amy,

You're just a sheep. You thinks Democrats are any better? You fool.

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Dave, MI — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:30:27 GMT

Common sense? More like typical liberal solution to a problem. Throw more money into a government program, regardless of said program's merits, or lack thereof. As it is, Social Security taxes net less return than privately run savings accounts that are insured by the same government that runs Social Security. People who are scared to death of the stock market (despite the fact that, historically, investing in the S&P 500 over a 50 year period is the closest thing to a sure path to millionaire status mankind could ever hope to see) and would rather trust the government would be far better off putting their money in privately owned savings accounts or treasuries than continuing to throw their money down the Social Security sinkhole.

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Glenn — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:33:00 GMT

Yeah, those of you who think Hillary will win in a landslide need to look at some history. You don't have to go too far back. Yep, just to 2000 when I and everyone else thought Gore was in with both feet. If we have a general election instead of the electoral college I would be confident Hillary is "Da' Man" but with the amount of voter fraud allegations and how all of these issues were subtly, quietly suppressed in the media and investigations were never followed through, I am pretty confident your over-confidence is going to screw you. Even the chief Democratic political strategist says the same thing. Don't jump the gun.

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IMPEACH — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:34:40 GMT

IMPEACH you were just being silly, right?
Yup, there is not a REPUKELICAN on earth I would vote for!

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HMT-MI — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:35:56 GMT

Hannity bitches after every debate----he cannot stand that his Rudy(who he introduces at fundraisers)does not win the online fox poll.Ron Paul always gets the most votes.And for the litt ugly pollster luntz---what do you expect from him---he is a neocon Bush butt kisser.Just watched a little of the debate---mainly when they had Hillary Clinton breakdowns.We love the war(Iran next)and hate Hillary.I am glad none of them are not democrats---I could not vote for any of them except for maybe ron paul.Insanity on stage-----truly a pathetic bunch.As for the boos---wonder how much they were paid to sound and look like fools?

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nuanced — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:36:47 GMT

The winning Democratic mantra will be ---

Republicans are extreme not mainstream.

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MK,MO — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:37:19 GMT

there is no doubt that the 'powers that be' are intimidated by mr. paul, the blatant attacks and constant 'cover up' of how many actually back paul are only reasons to like him more, but as seen on these posts the media portrays him as radical libertarian which is simply not the case, he is much more of a republican than any of the front runners, he needs to find a way to get that point out, but as I said the media really does not the real ron paul revealed to the general public, because they would like him.

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James — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:38:12 GMT

I have yet to see a Republican I can really support for President but even the worst Republican trumps the best Democrat. Wait a minuit, there is n no best Democrat. They're all a bunch of baby-killing, queer loving, gun banning far left neo-comunists.

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Sweet Dave, NewYork City — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:39:32 GMT

Ron Paul is right on...He is one of the few candidates on either side who believes that laws should adhere to the limits outlined in the US Constitution; where in the Constitition does it state that Uncle Sam is empowered to make appropriate tax dollars for Education or to enact laws regarding such?
The same clowns who don't understand how the Social Security system is going broke, believe the $60B beauracratic waste machine called the Department of Education is an effective means of educating children.
Vote for Hilary and not only will our Constitution continue to be trampled upon, but the US Taxpayer will be totally subservient to the Government...our Founding Father's worst nightmare...

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Andy, Miami, FL — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:40:08 GMT

"it is the only issue on which Mr. Paul is any where near reasonable. All other issues he is a radical libertarian and would do away with All government." --steve everingham (Sent Monday, October 22, 2007 11:03 AM)

Wow, so believing that government only exists to maximize individual freedom is now considered "radical"? I'm glad nobody told that to the American revolutionaries...

"You guys keep reciting polls. Maybe 75% of LIBERALS want the U.S. to lose in Iraq. Those polls may be national but they are not reflected of a cross between political lines. I live and work among people from both sides of the issue and I have yet to hear the majrity say lets get the hell out. A lot say we need to be more forceful and brutal." --Gene, CA (Sent Monday, October 22, 2007 11:35 AM)

No, it's a majority of the American people: http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm . 67% against Bush's handling of the war, 63% think things are going badly, 72% against large numbers of troops being in Iraq two years from now, 65% opposed to the war, 59% or more think it wasn't worth fighting, 54% or more want a withdrawal even if it means no civil order there, 55% don't think the Democrats have done enough in opposing the war, 67% want to reduce war funding, and on resolving the war a Democrat president preferred to a Republican president by 51%-31%.

"Raising the cap on Social Security to only the first $250,000 in salary will fix it in perpetuity, but try that and all repubs scream "HIGHER TAXES"."
--common sense, not rich man's politics (Sent Monday, October 22, 2007 11:38 AM)

Even though the Social Security tax is regressive, Social Security payouts are even more progressive. The net effect is a very much progressive system. Raising the tax cap or expanding it to capital income without increasing the payout to people who pay more would turn the system from the semi-insurance program that it is and was intended to be into a flat-out welfare program. If we're going to go that far, might as well just scrap it and simply pay for retiree/disability benefits out of general revenue.

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Steve B, E Longmeadow, MA — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:41:37 GMT

The faster we pitch these fools out of government, and PREVENT their return, the better off we all will be. The reasons Republicans back the war is that they're making MONEY off of it, and THEIR kids are not fighting it!

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Just my 2 cents response to "David James, Victoria, TX." — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:41:49 GMT

It is amazing how so many Americans want to bury their heads in the sand and pretend that there is not a threat from Neo-con-poop, nutwing, bush & dick loving Extremist.

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Sweet Dave, NewYork City — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:44:31 GMT

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John S. Alexander, Edinboro, PA — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:44:50 GMT

Here is something new for you TRUE BELIEVERS to chew on. A gentleman from Oklahoma who worked for KBR in Iraq was called out to fix a refridgerator truck that had been broken down for two weeks. When he got there, there was a horrendous smell coming from the trailer. he fixed the engine and then looked inside to find Iraqi bodies melting in the back, bodily fluids soaking into the floorboards. He saw that same trailer, later, being used by KBR to haul food and ice to the troops. One gentleman called a load of ice BIO-COTAMINATED, 1,800 pds were used before he could stop this ice from being used to cool the drinks of our troops. This is counter to DOD policy, once the truck is used as a temporary mortuary it is no longer to be used for food and drinks for the troops. Usually the DOD takes 4 to 6 weeks to investigate. The DOD has been asking for extension after extension to look into the problem. They know it is a problem, they are sweeping the poisoning of our troops under the rug. If your child has just come back from the war, you better get them to start testing for AIDS, that is just one of the things that they can get from contaminated food and ice. War profiteering, ain't it great.

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Dave,Ft Lauderdale,FL — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:44:57 GMT

The ignorance of the American people who allowed themselves to be manipulated by the mainstream media amazes me. In spite of all evidence to the contrary regarding WMD, they still think Saddam didn't have them. Duh!! He used them over and over. Satellite images show convoys under the cover of daarkness going into Syria just before Saddam knew the invasion was coming (Carrying Cheerios I guess). Russian and Iraqi pilots have testified about flying WMD into Syria. Bottom line....thanks to Bush...No attacks on this country since 9/11 and economic progress after the recession Clinton left us with due to tax cuts. The wealthy are paying more (to satisfy our socialists out there) and gov't revenues are at an all time high. The deficit is being reduced and there were almost as many innocent non-volunteer Americans killed on 9/11 as there has been in this war. Give me a break! Lefties have been smoking funny weed too long.

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Andy, Miami, FL — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:45:39 GMT

"Ron Paul is a joke much like the Democrats. Twenty-three uncommitted voters were asked if he won the debate and not a single hand went up." --Dan G., Pensacola, FL (Sent Monday, October 22, 2007 11:52 AM)

That was a very small sample of a very fringe right-wing segment of the party. They're not even representative of primary voters, let alone all Republicans or American voters in general. Ron Paul appeals to anti-war Republicans (a third of the party), Democrats, and independents, but also to civil libertarians concerned with the rise of Big Brother government and fiscal conservatives who realize the GOP no longer cares about them or their values.

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Barbara C — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:46:21 GMT

I never sat through a bunch of men going after a woman like that. It was, for me, an introduction of things to come if Hillary does win the DEM Nomination. Hillary, if you are reading these...you better begin to get your WAR ROOM together and now is not too early to begin constructing it.

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Loel Ewart, Ozark, AL — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:48:32 GMT

I have read all these comments and it is apparant that almost none of you have the foggiest idea of what this world is all about. The vast majority of you are out for a handout from the government paid for by someone else. Get real! Do a little studying of history, this country and this world. Then you will see the problems this country has and where they come from. With the vast majority of you, the attitude is that this country should cease to exist.

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JDP Charlotte NC — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:51:37 GMT

"It is amazing how so many Americans want to bury their heads in the sand and pretend that there is not a threat from Islamic Extremist."

There's a threat, sure. Why we need to invade country after country, killing civilians and losing our own troops over it is what I don't get. Do you check for a suicide bomber under your bed every night?

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Cormac, Marlton NJ — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:57:39 GMT

It's so funny the way all these commenters who are against the war keep talking about the Democrats like they're going to stop it. HELLO, we've had a Democratic majority in Congress for 10 months and they've yet to even try to pull out the troops. Any such bills got voted down. Maybe they lied during their compaigns, or maybe, once they get in a position to know what's really going on, they realize pulling out would be a mistake. Either way, you cut-and-run cowards have NO candidates, and you're in acute denial about it.

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Lee DElaney Las Vegas — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:58:57 GMT

It is comic to compare this bunch of empty suited Neanderthals and like thinkers with their Democratic counterparts. The Democrats are intelligent, articulate, have programs, argue with each other over these programs and are generally lively, while the Republicans are fighting with each other to say the same trite thing in different words, they can barely even start a sentence, don't really argue but generally follow the tired old Republican line in all matters (except for Paul, but he's a lapsed Libertarian with all the anachronistic nonsense of that group). If you were to take the word "tax" out of the English Language none of the Republican candidates could frame a single sentence; "I cut more taxes that you did. Yah, yah." and the response "No you didn't. You only cut taxes 19 times and I cut them 23 times. Yah,yah."

Thank God I'm a Democrat and can find four or five candidates I can support out of their group. For the first time I remember, I can't find even one I could come close to supporting out of the Republican collection of Pet Rocks. Even John McCain, whom I would have supported in 2000 and in 2004, is no longer viable in my mind. To paraphrase Mark Twain, "Suppose you were a Republican candidate for President, and suppose you were a bumbling idiot... But wait, I repeat myself."

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Jbear, New Cumberland, Pennsylvania — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:01:47 GMT

The point that some are missing is that public opinion is not necesarily synonymous with good opinion. The Nobeloriate Economist of the past year estimated that the Iraq war would cost the United States 2 trillion dollars before its end, not to mention mounds of disabled veterans and dead soldiers. "Personalization" of social security may not seem like a good idea to a baby boomer generation that has had to deal with their great-depression-surviving parents (who are collecting SS and probably the largest participating group in these gallup polls), but for a 24 year old like myself, who is not convinced SS will be in existence for my own retirement, seeing that tax deduction on my pay stub go towards something "real" would be a relief.

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christy Los osos ca — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:07:01 GMT

Lets have everyone pay for the war! Send all the people a bill for about 500 bucks a week to pay for the debt the congress and the big fat bush has made, and then we'll see who's booing. The people booing are the ones that think it's right to rape the planet and take away rights to women and etc. Oh the planet was made in 2000 yrs. Oh and I'm not a liberal so don't throw me that left side bull crap!

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Jay, Phoenix, AZ — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:11:41 GMT

I, for one, intend to vote for "Bedsheet Ron Paul". (Every one of his campaign "signs" I have seen has been spray-painted on a bedsheet and hung from a freeway over-pass.) This tells me he is a fiscal conservative.

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Ben Purser, Royal Oak MI — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:14:17 GMT

The boos at the Republican debate is not a reflection of the country. The republican voters and the party are out of step with the rest of the country on all issues. They will be singing the blues come next election.

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David Anderson, Ellicott City, Maryland — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:14:29 GMT

Mike Huckabee was the clear winner of the debate last night, even though his air time was disgracefully minimized by the smug questioners at FOX who pandered to the big-money boys. He is the only Republican candidate who can beat Hillary Clinton in the general election. He should be heard, supported, nominated and elected.

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bb — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:14:43 GMT

Dan G(as in gasbag), go look in the mirror.

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Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:16:17 GMT

Ron Paul HA! Yet another Ross Perot. Go Ron! He will takes votes away from the repugs.

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Joe Einloth — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:16:22 GMT

David James, tell me about what YOU'RE doing in Victoria Texas to fight Islamic extremism - other than bumping your gums!

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J.P., Annapolis, MD — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:16:55 GMT

The voice of the American people is clear: RON PAUL WON THE POST-DEBATE PHONE POLL BY ALMOST 10 PERCENT.

If you would like Ron Paul to win, you must go to ronpaul2008. com and donate a little money. As we saw last night, Dr. Paul does not have the media or special interests behind him, only the American people.

I am not a "pot-smoker" or a "kook." I am a career Naval officer who has been politically neutral for my entire life, but this is about voting for America and our Constitution, which I took an oath to preserve! I am now supporting Dr. Ron Paul with my wallet, and my heart.

Go Ron go, save America!

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Dave, MN — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:17:22 GMT

zhan-you're right. It's progressives who want peace and believe in freedom and democracy. Conservatives thrive on conflict, and with a bible in one hand and a sword in the other, go out looking for trouble while claiming self-righteousness. They aren't all that different from the conservative al-queda and other conservative, radical, islamic fundamentalists who preach intollerance and hate. Republicans would rather see the united states turned into just that...a republic...whereby power is in the hands of a few and any questioning of authority is deemed NOT ok. Values?!? Gimme a break.

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just curious — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:17:57 GMT

Hey James, when Hillary's elected, is your head going to explode?
For all the people whining about the democrats not ending the war, don't you people know how to count? The Senate is split 49-49 w/ two independents and Darth Vader as the tie breaker. They can't even get enough votes to overcome a filibuster, let alone veto. The House is in the same shape. The Democratic congress would LOVE to be able to force issues if it could. ANY issues at this point. But this president is so determined not to back down on ANY position, no matter how wrongheaded, unpopular, costly or futile, he's acting like he has a full mandate from the people instead of an approval rating below freezing.
He can afford to. He's never going to be elected to so much as dogcatcher again and he knows it, so he doesn't have to care. He just wants to put as much distance between himself and whatever is going to happen next as he can and the hell w/ the consequences to his party, his country or even his beloved troops.
I would like to remind everyone that when Bill Clinton left office, notwithstanding travelgate, monicagate, whitewater and every manufactured 'crisis' the republicans could throw at him, his approval rating was still at 60%.
What do you think GWB will be at by 1/20/09?

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Chris Williamson, Oxnard, CA — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:18:55 GMT

The Republican Party should just kill-itself out of shame. I'd like to see an on-line pledge to "never vote Republican again, in any election, any candidate, anywhere, anytime." Sign me up.

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Darren Donahue — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:21:00 GMT

Dan g. says,

"The leftwing dingbats and Paul groupies are the only ones who like him. It’s kind of sad actually to think how many people lack common sense and an ability to think for themselves."

Dan - I love how people like you love to deal with facts and issues rather than just spouting rhetoric.

Exactly what do you disagree with on Dr. Paul's platform?

This thread says one thing, people are not sure what Dr. Paul's ideas are. The nice thing about being a Dr. Paul supporter is that all of his positions are clearly spelled out and can be seen in his speeches on youtube.

If you are a Republican and are writing negative things about Congressman Paul please explain.

Republicans (supposedly) have always been against:
1. Big Government
2. Taxes
3. Abortion
4. Foreign Intervention and Intangled Alliances

All of the candidates last night stated a fact, "Future entitlements such as Social Security and Medicaid will bankrupt this country." Dr. Paul wants to FUND Social Security for people over 40 and allow people under 40 to not have to pay it and keep their money. What is wrong with that?

Please America do your homework. Congressman Paul has sensible solutions to our issues and he is more sincere than any of the other candidates on both sides.

The people of the 14th district in Texas have elected him 10 TIMES. They don't agree with everything he does, but they know they can trust him.

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4real — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:22:17 GMT

You know what is really sad? It's that you leftists still can't even win an election when the pub candidates are such low caliber. The people see through your socialist agenda and are so afraid you will turn the US into a third world tin pot pit of dispair, we end up with candidates that lack the integrity to uphold the constitution. Now that 50% of the populace pay almost no taxes, you would think you democrats wouldn't have a problem.

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jt, okc — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:25:58 GMT

Wow.. what a superbly biased report. Did the DNC write this one up for you guys?

Are you suggesting that every proposal brought up by the democrats has majority support? Give me a flipping break!

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Joey Tratelli — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:26:52 GMT

Ron Paul has the courage of conviction. Do you think any other candidate on either side have stuck to their guns for thirty years? Say yes to principle. Say yes to Dr. NO.

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cj — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:28:44 GMT

Let's face it; we can no longer afford this war, like it or not; face it, it's not ours and never was until we stuck our nose in!! We need to direct our attention to two (2) places!! Extremists and America!! Our country has so many major issues to fix and no money to fix them because of the money spent in Iraq!! If we don't deal with some of these important issues soon and quit supporting the rest of the world (here and abroad), we may just collapse!! There may be only ONE way to get our government moving, after all this administration isn't going to do ANYTHING unless it pats them on the back and the Congress can't get anything done because the GOP either won't vote with them on any issues or the President vetoes the issues that do get by. TEA PARTY ANYONE!?!!!!!

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Travis, Chandler, AZ — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:28:45 GMT

The Republican's number one goal seems to be defeating Hillary. Only person that could possibly beat Hillary is Ron Paul. Why? He is the only one that rallies Democrats, Republican, Libertarians, and Independents. He gets votes from the most diverse population. He is the only one that can steal votes from Hillary or any other Democratic nominee. Think about it. The only chance of beating Hillary is with Ron Paul. Republicans have to decide what is worse "Ron Paul" or "Hillary Clinton".

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cj — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:30:12 GMT

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common sense — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:31:14 GMT

By all means, Andy, raise the payout on SS, but it shoudd then be means tested. If you're a retiring millionaire, I don't think you are going to be particularly hurt by paying tax on $95-$155,000 and NOTHING on the rest of your millions. The difference probably won't even pay for the gas on your Gulfstream.

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Jeff — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:34:12 GMT

You know if you put $2000 a year into an IRA account starting when you were 16 and never put another dime in after you turned 26 you would have well well over a million dollars saved for retirement. You don't have to make any investment decisions just buy the the indexes. You can put money into SS from the time you start working until the day you retire and never ever come even remotely close to a million dollars in retirement funds.

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Mike, Houston — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:35:24 GMT

I am curious to why so many democrats feel the need to chime in on a discussion of the Republican nominees. Should we also consult Iran on who to pick as our generals in Iraq. Democrats keep calling Iraq a Republican War when both parties nearly unanimously voted for it. Republicans are just making sure we don't lose our courage and pull out; therefore, ensuring chaos and terror for the region.

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S. Tuttle — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:35:57 GMT

I wish they would have given Ron Paul more time. I like his ideas.

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Larry G, Atlanta, GA — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:37:08 GMT

If you democrats think that by electing Hillary, we'll immediately pull out of Iraq, you're fooling yourselves.

We're going to be there for a long, long time no matter who becomes president. Pulling out now will only make things worse and both sides know it. Republicans are just being more upfront about it, while the dems dance around the issue.

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MORE than just 2 cents. — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:38:23 GMT

It was no bebate last night. It was more like Hillary bashing. It was akin to letting everyone know that their penisis are bigger than hers'. Well, DUH!!!! At least she thinks with her brains. And to think, these repugnikans want to be president. What a bunch of whiny 2008 LOSERS!!!!!!

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John — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:41:01 GMT

Do the left-wingers, liberals and Dems in general, have ANY other argument based upon facts? I am so sick and tired of the "victimization" of America.

First of all why is anybody tht disagrees with you buffons is a liberal. You want facts. How about you republicans creating the largest dficit of any administration when being handed a surplus. How about the trade deficit being in the same shape. How about the mortgage crisis that is happening now and when Bushes old man was president. How about the sagging infrastructure that isn't being addressed. How about almost all the generals invovled in the Iraq war coming back and stating we are creating more terrorism and hatred by staying these.
I am really convinced you republicans have zero between the ears when it comes to being able to think .I sincerely believe if you add up all your IQ's it does not equal a carrot.

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jim, north myrtle beach sc — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:43:15 GMT

we neeed another 911 to help the ignorant american people to realize its us or them the jihads.

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get real — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:47:26 GMT

"You know if you put $2000 a year into an IRA account starting when you were 16 and never put another dime in after you turned 26 you would have well well over a million dollars saved for retirement."

Spoken like a true republican (and the call dems elite!?)

How many 16 year olds do you know w/ $2,000 to 'put aside'. Many a Bush twin or something, but that's a month salary for a lot of 30 year olds, and putting a even small portion of that aside makes the difference between eating or paying for prescriptions.
After I pay my bills, I'm lucky to have $50 left to the next paycheck, and I'm holding on to that for the next gas hike when we invade Iran

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allan richardson crawfordville fl — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:51:25 GMT

There is a lot of anger heading into this election and as has been demonstrated so well by this current administration, labelling someone with a derogatory name when they disagree with you seems to be the easiest way to gain support. I hope we as a nation can listen to all ideas and try to make decisions based on truth that will make our nation better, regardless of whether they come from the right or the left. We need to get bias out of our news again and all dig deeper to find the whole truth. We need to make our leaders accountable for dishonesty and not be so easily fooled with smooth rhetoric that can change our perception of reality with only a few words, e.g. "war on terror". How is it that we are fighting for "our" freedom in Iraq? Did they invade us? Were they training terrorist to bomb us? We are already free so obviously we are not fighting for our freedom, duh, our only real threat was Al-Qaida who we chose to let slip out our grasp to fight this useless bloodlet of a war where we have only worsened our security while turning the majority of the world against us. How is it that we can even question whether we should "torture" prisoners, have we gotten so narrow minded that we can't see right and wrong any longer? I hope things improve for us in '08, but until then I don't see anything redemptive coming from this administration or the GOP's next potential one.

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Cherokee Co Georgia — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:57:00 GMT

I find it so strange that polls continue to say 60%- now 60%- yet I haven't met one person who feels the way these polls suggest! I think these polls are rigged as a democratic vote for president in Cuba would be!

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Sierra, SF — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:59:07 GMT

common sense: '...Raising the cap on Social Security to only the first $250,000 in salary will fix it in perpetuity,...'
GREAT IDEA !!

'...It's going to affect people who earn more than $95,000 a year up and then only for the next $155,000. Is that REALLY too high a price...'

Great points, common sense !!
That's Social Security REFORM !
Why not remove all limits and pay Social Security on ALL INCOME !!
Conservatives like the flat tax....
Why not a 'flat tax' for Social Security.
Then, INVEST THE EXCESS !!
This will establish a real 'trust fund' for Social Security.

Kevin: '...Sierra, SF - Why don't you research Ron Paul's actual positions? Check out his interview on PBS with Judy Woodruff...'

A good point.
I apologize for my ignorance.
But, I do believe that he wants to abolish the Income tax. That would be madness !!
And it would benefit the rich and the corporations.

'...Also, can you tell me why San Francisco has so many street people if its compassionate policies are supposed to be helping them?
Kevin...'

SF is doing a LOUSY job with the homeless!!
I can't disagree.
Apparently, SF is about to invite every dope-fiend in American to a free shooting gallery.
SF isn't a model for government responsibility.
Again, I'll apologize for mis-representing Ron PAul's policies.
I like his 'non-interventionist' foreign policy.
I'm not a fan of Libertarianism.
But, I'll research his stands before making ignorant comments.

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just curious — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:59:08 GMT

"It's that you leftists still can't even win an election when the pub candidates are such low caliber. "

What do you call 2006?

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Dot, Illinois — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:59:19 GMT

Jim, North Myrtle Beach, sc

"we need another 911 to help the ignorant american people to realize its us or them the jihads."

You're joking, right?

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nina, the heart — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:59:58 GMT

zeitgeist the movie. a documentary exposing those who are controlling the system and you. please watch this documentary and inform yourselves of truth.
Ron Paul for president!!!

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amy — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:01:51 GMT

Joseph,

I'm not against a libertarian candidate unless he acts like you.

Amy

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Kirt Silvers Kaansas City Mo. — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:02:04 GMT

What is even more frightning is that the ultra conserv are thinking about expanding this war with Iran. We can not maintain the surge so we are cutting back 40,000 to 50,000 pre surge levels and they are talking about expanding, with what? another bad idea, we don't have the boots for their fixations. Time to get back our country and military from these fanatics before they completly ruin what we have left. If we get into a fight with Iran what will happen in southern Iraq? The Shia are tied to Iran religiously and historicly.Stop and think just for once conserv not about ideas but about reality and remeber that we sould never be involved in nation building, remember Somalia.

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Terry W., Pensacola, Fla. — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:02:14 GMT

Let's just read again what Ron Paul said and how Republicans responded:

PAUL: I think the AMERICAN PEOPLE, if we as a party realize this and understand it ... THE PEOPLE IN AMERICA want the [Iraq] war over with. THEY'RE sick and tired of it, and they want our troops to come home.

REPUBLICANS: BOO!

Has there ever been a party which won an election by not only rejecting the views of the majority of Americans, but even booing the simple statement of those viewpoints? Please tell me again why the press doesn't just admit that the conservative base amounts to a powerful, but increasingly-outside-mainstream special interest group?

As Tom Tancredo pointed out during the debate, he's tops among Republican candidates among "every conservative organization that gives ratings." He's right. And he's also a nutjob who takes money from "white power" group members, says that the Catholic church is bad because it doesn't want people dying of thirst in the desert and thinks that refusing to vote for a nod to Ramadan is a courageous stance. When he's the "most conservative" among the Republicans, what does that say about the movement in general, hm?

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Robert — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:02:19 GMT

If all neocons would get thier head out of thier ass and look and face the the facts and stop the hate against liberals and thier fellow americans, they will find that we are all americans with different views. All the childish put downs just devalues your cause and makes you and your fellow americans look like morons. Remember the whole world is looking and baseing thier views by how we act and what we say, and laughing thier ass off at us. Ron Paul is your only hope. Don`t trash him unless you really know what you are talking about. Check out his site in private, no one will know.

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Lisa — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:02:59 GMT

Unfortunately like it or not, I have a very strong feeling that if the far right of the Republican party goes ahead and fractures the party then Hitler Clinton will be the next dictator uh I mean President. No I was right the first time, DICTATOR AND COMMUNIST.

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oldefarte — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:03:23 GMT

Gee, I truly wish the various commentators on here would not confuse the current regime (or their imitators and supporters) with "the (political) right". Somewhere along the way - perhaps in a visceral, over-reaction to Bill Clinton - the radical, fringe loonies of the ultra-far and "religious right", riding under the banner of "Neo-conservatism", stole the Conservative Republican/Goldwater-Reagan legacy. A "Neo-conservative", however, is no more a "Conservative" than a "National Socialist" is a "Socialist". Foreign military adventures, deficit spending, Federal interference in all facets of a citizen's life, and abrogation of Constitutional rights, all in service to a "moral creed", hardly represents mainstream - or traditional - conservatism. The "Bush Base" is a group of reactionary zealots bent on imposing their moralistic notions on the Nation (if not always on themselves, eh what, Mssrs. Vetter, Foley, and Craig...). What they are not is "conservatives". Regrettably, that process is being just as perniciously pursued on the Democratic side, with the worst of the far-left loonies being assiduously courted while anyone with a reasonable and reasonably centrist position gets taken for a ride. I continue to believe that the correct answer is to start a third party, one which leaves the nuts on the fringes to the other two. That way, the Republicans and Democrats can exhaust themselves screaming invectives at each other, while the Nation, itself, is governed in accordance with the desires of the vast majority of its citizens' wishes. The "Red-Blue" divide is a media creation designed to keep us from connecting with our common interests. It ain't no way, however, to govern a country.

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Greg, Charlotte,NC — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:08:20 GMT

Zhan, Indianapolis – Huh?...because liberals like oh say Stalin were GREAT on human rights. In the political spectrum wanting change is not synonymous with "liberal" - it refers to ideology. Communism and Fascism being the extremes at either end. Both sides have their faults…both sides are lying through their teeth and if you believe otherwise you aren’t paying much attention.

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amy — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:10:28 GMT

Loel,

I'm listening for something that resembles intelligence. If you studied history then you would have enough sense to back off your support. The fact is if we continue to support the status quo our country WILL CEASE TO EXIST. If you can't handle a little dissent and wish to live where everyone is of one opinion (at least publicly) why don't you move to China.

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Doug, San Diego — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:14:07 GMT

To all of you who dream about the elimination of the income tax, as congressman Paul is suggesting: what on this big green earth makes you think that your employer would continue paying you the same amount, if they think they could offer you what you are already taking home post-tax? You don't think corporations would reason that you were accepting the lower amount before, why not now? Think about it.

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Archiphage — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:14:11 GMT

Get Real:
Take a look at your pay stub. Find the box where it says FICA. Add up the numbers in that column from all of your pay stubs. Double the result. (Your employer is paying the other half to the IRS, so that would be yours too.) If you earn around $16,500 a year in wages, the number should exceed $2000. There you go! Now all you have to do to get the FICA money put into your IRA instead of into the IRS is vote for Ron Paul.

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Rufus Gibbons, DC — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:15:12 GMT

Well the republican front runners have made it plain VOTE FOR ME AND I WILL GIVE YOU FOUR MORE YEARS OF GEORGE BUSH"

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Dot, Illinois — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:16:01 GMT

Cormac, Marlton, NJ

Any bills proposed by the Democrats in Congress to set a timetable for withdrawl of troops from Iraq were voted down by the Republicans.

President Bush hasn't managed to end the war in Iraq and he has had several years, but Congress should end it in 10 months?

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John Barry — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:17:26 GMT

Democrats support America's enemies. Keep the United States of America strong vote for a Republican.

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Quinn, Seattle, Washington — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:18:03 GMT

"Good little German Republicans." That accurately says it all. Well done Shari.

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Doug, San Diego — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:18:23 GMT

James: "I have yet to see a Republican I can really support for President but even the worst Republican trumps the best Democrat. Wait a minuit, there is n no best Democrat. They're all a bunch of baby-killing, queer loving, gun banning far left neo-comunists. "

James, I am wondering: how on earth do you type with your knuckles dragging the ground like that?

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RP, Portland, OR — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:19:20 GMT

It's funny how the libs posting here think Hillary as President is a foregone conclusion. They forget that Hillary has the highest negatives of any candidate on either side and Nancy Pelosis house has lower approval ratings than President Bush.

BTW, don't say you're against the war because you don't want to see our people dying. You liberals are only for war when it causes a convenient distraction from your legal problems.

Twenty times more people die each year as a result of drinking and driving. Are you against alcohol? Liberals don't take threats to freedom seriously, even when it's in their backyard. Why is every liberal-dominated city in this country a bastion of crime? Because they don't think there is such a thing as evil, only people who are misinformed, misunderstood, disadvantaged, but things would all be better if we only had a little "sensitivity" training.

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Rich — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:20:34 GMT

The Iraq War was voted on. Public Law No: 107-243.

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Lee Delaney — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:20:34 GMT

I dont understand how anybody with a mind that thinks can raise their head and look around and not see what sorry shape our nation has gotten itself into in the last six years. We have the largest deficits in history, we are expanding our debt at a rate larger than any nation anywhere in history, we have reached a debt level twice that of a mere six years ago, we have achieved the greatest debt ever carried by any nation in history (and debt destroys nations; not war, not disease, not a few thousand terrorists, not civil unrest, but debt), we have entered upon and lost two wars yet still continue to fight them like a chicken running around after its head has been cut off, we are throwing away the lives of tens of thousands of our youth dead and maimed in a worthless conflict, we have lost the respect and friendship of almost all our allies and are now looked upon with contempt by most of the world, our Presidency has become an office of dishonor and ridicule, our air and rail transportation systems are crumbling, we are approaching third world status in terms of medical service for all our citizens, homelessness, hunger and education, our roads and bridges are crumbling and we are indulging in obscenely expensive and inneffective military adventurism, yet we continue to put things in terms of the ideas of "Liberalism" and "Conservatism." Are we really that stupid and self destructive?

The situation is one of competence and incompetence and at least to my eyes the Republican Party of the last six years has shown itself and its leader to be the most monumentally incompetent group ever to lead a mighty nation. The inheritated a strong nation, a balanced budget, a deficit half what it is today, a President respected and liked around the world, a tax system sufficient to pay to improve all our infrastructure and the lives of all our people, tolerance of others, relatively little social hatreds, the respect and honor of allies and the respect of enemies and in just a few short years have thrown it all away. I don't understand how anyone can look around at today's America, compare it to what we were six years ago and have even the remotest thoughts of allowing those who have done this to us to continue in office. "Is a puzzlement."

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steve ward, chicago il — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:20:38 GMT

The Social Security system is nothing more than a pyramid scheme that would be illegal if someone other than the goverment was involved. Even FDR would be horrified at this situation (FDR thought that payroll taxes of a few percent was more than enough). To get out of this, we should convert Social Security into some sort of senior citizen welfare, which is what it really is already, force people to contribute to 401(k)s or pay higher tax and the abolish most of the payroll tax.

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Kirt Silvers Kansas City Mo — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:20:50 GMT

Iraq dose not exist for all the lives and money we have spent only a very lose confederation that is not functioning verry well.

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Chris San Clemente Ca — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:22:30 GMT

It's interesting to watch an election process that is focused not on the candidates strengths but rather their oponents faults.The republicans , to a man, are betting that Hillary's "negatives" will resonate loudly enough to drive the frighten sheep to vote for whichever dwarf the GOP nominates.That was the underlying dynamic of the last election, where a candidate who everyone knew was incompetent, won out because of the fear generated during the election over Gay Marriage and Supreme Court appointments.Perhaps now the public is so fed up with this formula that it won't work this time for the GOP.It does not appear that they have any other strategies to employ.

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dab — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:24:36 GMT

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"OUTING " A cia FLUNKY? iF SHE WERE A MEMBER OF THE gop IT WOULD BE CALLED "WHISTLEBLOWING" yOU dEMS ARE FOOLS AND TRAITORS. bUSH IS GONE , BUT FREEDOM LIVES, dEMS ARE AGAINST IT- "COMPASSION" hA! wHY DO THE COMPASSIONATE CITIES HAVE THE MOST DOPEHEADS, AND CRIME? ASK A SF LIBERAL, LIKE THE CROOKED MAYOR THERE.

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dave, mesquite, nevada — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:27:20 GMT

Ron Paul has as much chance of getting the GOP nomination as I do.

And I am sorry...I am just your average working guy in my mid 30's and I hate social security. I see how much is taken out of my paycheck every month, and by the time I'm 65 there won't be anything left for me to retire on. The babyboomers are going to use it all up.

As your average middle class guy, yes, I would rather there was accountability on what happens to my money. That's right people, it IS my money that I put into social security...why shouldn't I get the right to help decide what happens to it? I sure as hell can make more interest and account for it better than the damn federal government can. And just having a small part of it in some kind of account that I can look at on a yearly basis and watch grow and know it's gonna be there when I retire is way better than blindly dumping it into the federal black hole.

I think most working people 45 and younger ARE very skeptical about paying into social security. It is a bankrupt system and it needs to be fixed or it will be out of money in the next two decades. That isn't some conservative lie, that is a fact. At least repubs are talking about it.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:28:25 GMT

HELLO, we've had a Democratic majority in Congress for 10 months and they've yet to even try to pull out the troops. Any such bills got voted down.
Cormac, Marlton NJ (Sent Monday, October 22, 2007 12:57 PM)

You just contradicted yourself there. First you say they have yet to even try to pull the troops out, and then you say any such bills got voted down. If they never tried, then there would not have been any bills to get voted down.

The problem is not the Democrats. The problem is the GOP, led by Senator McConnell who has stated that they intend to make 60 votes the benchmark for any Iraq legislation relating to withdrawal of the troops. Not that it even matters, because they need to be able to override a veto even if it does get through the Senate with 60 votes. And the bottom line is they just don't have the numbers to get past an obstructionist GOP minority and President.

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Jay Herrera, Warner Robins, Georgia — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:28:27 GMT

The GOP had better start to listen to Americans who want our Iraqi occupation to end or else lose in 2008. There is NO link between 9/11 and Iraq, no WMDs in Iraq and Al-Qaeda began infiltrating Iraq after the US invasion. We've lost so many good Americans fighting a war that was started with false intelligence.
If the GOP puts another pro-war (we're in Iraq now, will likely be in Iran before Bush leaves office) the American voters will flock to the Dems and they can win with Minnie and Mickey Mouse.
Ron Paul has the pulse of America and is giving thousands of Americans hope that the ideals from the Founding Fathers are not dead and still popular.
Support the candidate whose voting record defends the Constitution, that "little" old document this great country was established on. Big government and its never-shrinking appetite for money is eating the wages of my young children who cannot work yet and we are leaving all of our children in debt and with a worse country than we had. Your kids and grandkids (born and unborn) will be paying for my Social Security benefits. Does that sound fair to you?
America, Ron Paul needs you right now. I am a GOP voter who proudly supports Ron Paul.

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Bill Emmons, Denver, CO — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:34:26 GMT

I guess with Hilary we will find out what it is like to have a intelligencia tell us what we must do and when we must do it. Democrats and most liberals I guess with Hilary we will find out what it is like to have an intelligentsia tell us what we must do and when we must do it. Democrats and most liberals think it is great for government to tell you what to do with your money and your pride. If you all had your way I would have to ask government permission to drive my car, invest my money, choose my doctor and who knows what else. I for one want to keep my freedom!think it is great for government to tell you what to do with your money and your pride. I for one want to keep my freedom!

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Archiphage — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:34:50 GMT

Doug:
'what on this big green earth makes you think that your employer would continue paying you the same amount, if they think they could offer you what you are already taking home post-tax?'

Easy... the same thing that prevents you from walking into your employer's office and saying 'Double my pay right now, or I quit!'

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Ann Dothan Al — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:35:03 GMT

Amy Hitlery voted for the Patriot Act please read it and see what's coming. RFID chips in the kids at birth, put there by the state run hospitals {for free of course} National ID cards for the adults with chips that are GPS enabled {so YOU can be tracked}. A regulated and taxed internet, {government controlled censorship} warantless wiretaps, no habeous corpus, eminent domain for the good of the many {they, Hitlery, the government can take your good d#&mned house and bank account} She has already stated "you will have to give up some things" That is not America that is a socialist police state. Ann

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JR — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:36:15 GMT

I am sick and tired of how conservatives have taken ownership of 911, the war and other issues. Many democrates and repub. died on 911. Our young from both Dem. and Repub are dying in Iraq. I love my country as many patriotic Americans. From the Korean War, Viet Nam and now Iraq we kill our young for our leaders policies. American's are losing their homes, their savings, their health care and our precious children,our country has gone from surplus to unbelievable debt, for a bunch of liars who are more concerned about the health of bankers and oil companies and credit companies. Trillions for War but none for children's health care. God forbid a middle class family gets some help. Guess what, the middle class is disappearing because they vote for these fools. Republicans are good at scaring the American people with their stupid labels. Fixing the health care system, oh ! that socialize medicine, bullsh_t.
Why do Americans still believe these numbnuts. Everyone of Rudy's claims is exagerated. His own children hate him.

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Mike, NC — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:39:46 GMT

So Shari, the Republican message is everything that this country is not? I have to believe then, when you read the constitution (doubtful you have) you see a document creating a oasis similar to Cuba or Venezuela. What an idiot.

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MK, Cranston, RI — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:40:32 GMT

The only way the Republicans can win the presidency is if they steal the '08 election like they stole the previous two. Which is a strong possibility if we're not vigilant.

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Jo, ATL GA — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:40:34 GMT

What level of intelligence does one have to have to know you are fighting the right ward in the wrong place?

Is this just about staying with your party no matter what? Sean Hennedy's fix is let them die and we will gather money for their kids.

It's ok to fight the war as long as you or your family are not involved.

To those I also say. If the country can be dumb enough to elect someone in there that has no sense or if they think its ok... then let those that want to die die. I really don't care...anymore.

Let them join the Army and die. I won't. period.

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Jay Herrera, Warner Robins, Georgia — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:41:49 GMT

Correction to my earlier post:
If the GOP puts another pro-war (we're in Iraq now, will likely be in Iran before Bush leaves office) candidate in front of the American voting public the American voters...

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Robert H — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:42:37 GMT

Ron Paul needs to learn not to ramble on because that's when he loses people. Otherwise Ron Paul makes the most sense of any Republican running for office.

This country is going to go bankrupt on entitlements, we've doubled the entire national debt during the Bush presidency, we have foolish trade policies undermining our middle class jobs, and we have our infrastructure decaying at home while we build bridges and power stations in Iraq.

Everyone but Ron Paul dances around the tough issues facing our nation. I'm sorry but our country going broke, education failing, jobs going overseas, and falling bridges are a little more important than gay marriage. The Republican front runners spend more time talking about wedge issues, and not enough time talking about how the heck to get us out of this mess we're getting into at home.

I am one of the ones in my late 30's. I don't appreciate Mitt Rommney saying they'll keep benefits for baby boomers, and shafting my generation. I don't like the fact that Guliani and McCain are so fixated on foreign affairs that we continue to ignore the home front.

By pandering to the extreme right wing, the Republicans are losing the independents because we simply can't relate. Our important issues aren't gay marriage, they aren't global war for a generation, and they aren't for shrinking the government to be so small it can't do its job. Our issues are having jobs, health care, good education, enough to eat and drink, and having safe transportation.

But instead the Republicans waste most of each debate talking about gay marriage, global war, more tax cuts for the rich, and abortion.

The Democrats aren't much better, and if someone doesn't start addressing real issues that matter to ordinary Americans they only have themselves to blame when a viable third party gets created in the next decade. Stalling time is over folks, we need real leadership and real answers to real problems.

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common sense — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:50:04 GMT

I actually believe in the flat tax, but don't it has much of a chance of passing. No loopholes for the rich. Until then, my way at least has a chance.

And what makes people think for a minute that the half of SS taxes which an employer pays and is now tax deductible for them, will then go to the employee to use for investment?

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Patrick,NY — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:50:36 GMT

The man was booed for wanting to bring the troops HOME?!?!? I'm a registered dem(not liberal), which means I vote for the best person no matter there political affiliation. I voted for several republicans in the past ie. Giuliani,Pataki,Bruno etc. because I felt they were the best individuals for the positions in which they were running for. I also voted against Hillary initially because I did not believe she could be effective(I was wrong on that count and voted for her re-election). My point being I am going to vote for whoever's positions are in line with my own. Low taxes,security,responsible use of the military(reducing troop levels),education,lowering the price of gas,better emergency responses,nuclear energy,fuel efficiency,and American made products etc etc. etc. Anyone know of a candidate who fits the bill they've got my vote.

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Johnny Templeton, Selmer, Tennessee — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:51:39 GMT

"All comments must be approved----". Does that tell anyone anything? No clear thinking American would ever expect that MSNBC would STACK the deck with liberal comments--they are soooo trust worthy. Neither would the liberal democrats VOTE enmass in the poll. They also are tooooo honest--and supportive of America in her efforts to defeat terrorism and save this republic so that the liberal democrat masses and the ultraliberal press can spew venom against the military who protects them. What a show of ignorance by the pinhead dems and media!

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p vavala, tampa, fl — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:54:30 GMT

The Republican party has no one to sponsor for the next election, after 8 years of Bush and 12 years of a Republican party led congress, the American people know exactly what the Republicans stand for, GREED.
As for private social security accounts just look at who really profits from 401k accounts, the investor surely doesn't, the fees attached to these accounts are only making the wall street boys rich.
I would vote for a chimp before I would ever vote for a Republican ever again.

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Pinhead — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:56:57 GMT

Johnny Templeton. You must watch Orally Factor, cause he calls everyone that disagrees with his views as a "pinhead"!.

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Stephennnn, Portland , OR — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:59:28 GMT

Ron Paul is a true american in the traditional mold. Unfortunately he is a memeber of the wrong party. Like many Reupublicans left hight dry by the neo cons he is really trying to put the party back on track. I am afraid there´s no room for dissent or other apinions in the Radical Right Republican Party (RRRP)

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Skip Williams — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:00:41 GMT

Yes, yes, my republican friends. Continue believing what Shrub and Cheatin' Cheney tell you to believe. Yes, Shrub is right: Saddam attacked us on 9/11, we did find WMDs in Iraq, and it's our job and our job alone to spread democracy around the world. And, if they don't want it, bomb the hell out of them until they do.

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Brendan D — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:03:19 GMT

Is it possible that Republicans have just become so self-involved and stupid that they actually have a shot at defeating the Democrats? The reason it seems like a Democratic win in 2008 is inevitable is because the Republicans offer more of the same -- no real leadership and no conservative credentials. Meanwhile, two men running, Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul, have the leadership and credentials down pat; yet Republicans don't seem interested, preferring rather to support idiots (Thompson), liberals (Romney), panderers (McCain), or hacks (Giuliani). The Republican Party is essentially and willfully destroying itself. This is not the party of leaders, of Ike and Lincoln and TR, anymore; it's the party of entitled a**wipes and hawkish losers, and the American people simply won't go for that anymore. Congratulations, GOP: you've become the Democratic Party of the 21st Century.

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Parke, Biloxi, MS — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:03:41 GMT

Didnt anyone see Hannity get OWNED by Ron Paul after the debate? It was classic. What FOX doesnt understand is that they can put a small majority in the audience, but the whole darn country watches the show and votes!

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Kirt Silvers Kaansas City Mo. — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:05:03 GMT

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Kirt Silvers Kaansas City Mo. — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:06:14 GMT

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Doug, Gilbert Arizona — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:06:22 GMT

The problem is that most American People: 90%
have absolutely no clue about what they are saying.
When pressed for facts or details on your opinion you get stupified. No person is all bad or all good. You need to educated yourself and when I say Educate I just dont mean school. I mean life experience. Move out from your mommies house and live on your own. Learn about numbers and where they come from.
Learn to question things not just what people say but use common since. I have found a quote "A Few Good Men". "You cant handle the truth" is quite relevent to most Americans who are happy with their $6.00 Frapichinno buying, Illegal Immigrant Hiring, Overeating, Lazy Americans who have little exposure to other cultures and who seem as if they care about "Our Soldiers" or anyone else but in reality have sacrificed little for this great country in which we live. Learn all the facts not rumor. Read some books from primary documents. Do some math.
"You may not like what you find".

To anyone out their who says the Hillary Clinton is going to "FIX" something, the describe to me what she is going to fix in detail and if 1)Congress would approve it 2)If after "Deep" thought and weighing all the numbers you still think it is a good thing.
Some thoughts for people with a brain:
1) Are you proud of our culture (would you feel comfortable sharing our culture overseas with someone)
2) Is this country something that your kids and grandkids would be proud of.
If your answer is no: then I can tell you that it has little to do with Iraq or President Bush and alot more to do with as a people what we have become, which is more or less Whining Fat Consumers who gobble up every natural resource until our guts are full and our health care is too expensive

Bye Bye
Doug

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S.B. Stein E.B. NJ — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:09:13 GMT

The problem with making "personal" Social Security accounts is that there is risk involved. The thing is that there was never any risk involved before. I can imagine people who tried these "personal" accounts and lose a bundle. Who will they come crying to? The federal government to say, "Why can't I get as much a Phil over there who didn't do any of this risk taking?" People have come to expect that they get all of the benefits with none of the risks. It has become a "get all of the rights, who cares about the responsiblity part" society.

As for the war, Ron Paul is correct in the view (as far as I am concerned) that we went into Iraq for oil primaily. If it was clearly thought out, then we might be going in today better equiped and with more forces that weren't just American and British; they make up 90% or more of the troops on the ground. Afganistan was the proper place to go. We never finished with that, and we are still having trouble getting our allies to stay there. How much more difficult will it be to get other people to help us with Iraq later on?

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Dave V Northern NJ — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:10:53 GMT

Ron Paul is the only candidate for the CONSTITUTION. He has no ties to corporate capitalism . And fox 5 hates him?.... what a shocker!....
So you know he is a true patriot and the ONLY TRUE CANDIDATE for the AMERICAN PEOPLE. NOT CORP GREED!!
WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!!! before it's too late
If Ron Paul doesn't get elected, forget the constitution entirely as we continue to be slaves to the capitalist....

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Pinhead — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:11:44 GMT

Paker of Biloxi. Sean Hacknity was owned by RP because he has no original thoughts of his own. Hacknity only has the GOP repugnikan talking points to spew and regurgitate.

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Wes, San Marcos, TX — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:13:06 GMT

We the People....Ron Paul 08'

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John Arcadia CA — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:13:22 GMT

I think Ron Paul is right...we should dramatically curb spending by cutting military interventionism, honor social security and medical entitlements, strengthen the dollar meanwhile, let young people opt out the the entitlement programs. It a tremendous task, but with Ron Paul in office, we can at least move in that direction. Ron Paul is different, he has the integrity and guts to stand up to all the lobbyists which makes him very attractive to me. As government grows, our freedoms diminish. I especially like his idea of getting rid of the IRS. This will immediately strengthen the middle class. Government should only collect taxes directly and apportioned as the constitution dictates.

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John Doe, The Peanut Gallery — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:14:16 GMT

No, no, no. They weren't shouting "boo" they were shouting "boo-erns"! Monty Burns for GOP nominee!

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J707, Sacramento, CA — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:15:06 GMT

The Republican Party is what has gone "certifiably insane," to paraphrase the cheap shot from that mongoloid in Frank Luntz's hand-picked (lol) "audience" down the street.

The Democratic Party has been insane for at least as long.

Both PARTIES are not planning on doing a DAMN THING to change what is going on in this country. WAKE UP PEOPLE. Hillary, Obama, Edwards, Giuliani, Romney, McCain, choose your personal favorite Council on Foreign Relations crook- it DOESNT MATTER. They will ALL DO THE SAME THINGS while giving the illsuion of some big choice between them. If you dont know what the Council on Foreign Relations is in the first place, stop reading this and go look it up- choose ANY AND ALL SOURCES YOU WANT, but LOOK.

ALL the candidates (except Mike Gravel, Ron Paul, and Dennis Kucinich) belong to this organization of multinational corporate thugs and bankers...dont you at least consider it pertinent to know WHAT this thing they all belong to IS? At least read up and form your OWN opinion on it.

Ron Paul earned my vote a long time ago by telling the complete unmuddied truth about the drug war, the income tax, the federal reserve, the 800lb gorilla in the room/the $9trillion national debt, and interventionist foreign policy. The so-called "frontrunners" are singing the rest of these moronic masses gently off to sleep as the money in their pockets steadily becomes worth absolutely nothing, our borders are neglected before they are ERASED- look up what the NAU/Amero is, and our communities rot from the inside out due to the same mind-bogglingly stupid drug war and social policies that promise desperate poor people in the inner cities that the govt will be their friend and take care of them forever.

EVERYONE IN THIS COUNTRY would do themselves quite a bit of good to read up on the kinds of things that Ron Paul and Mike Gravel have been bringing up in debates rather than waiting on the CFR-owned corporate media to tell them. Everyone, PLEASE look into the following. I dont care if you come to the opposite conclusions that I have...JUST LOOK and quit squabbling over whether your favorite color is red or blue; whats at stake here is WAY bigger than whether youre a committed sheep of either silly hypocritical corrupt party.
- The Council on Foreign Relations
- The NAU/The Amero
- Aaron Russo's Freedom to Fascism
- Law of the Seas Treaty
- The Federal Reserve
- Codex Alimentarius

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Parke, Biloxi, MS — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:15:34 GMT

If you think bush is bad.. wait until Billary gets there. 'Ive got a million ideas and America cant afford them all.' No kidding. We've got a dollar worth .04..

Id suggest anyone that hasnt heard Ron Paul in length, do so. If you think change is coming if she gets to the White House.. you are batshit crazy.

2013 and 'we might' be out of iraq. If she wins, Im moving to Costa Rica.

The root of our nations problem is very simple. Its the central bank, the Federal Reserve. Its private banking that prints money out of thin air and loans it to the government. Our income tax goes to the intrest.. 'National Debt'

Look up 'money masters' or google 'zeitgeist part 3' or Aaron Russo's movie 'freedom to fascism'

'I believe central banks are more dangerous than standing armies' Thomas Jefferson

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R Powel Melrose, Florida — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:20:52 GMT

With all I have read in the last few pages, not one of you have raised the question of the Fair tax.(hr25)
To almost a man the dems are against it( why?, it immediately takes vote buying out of Washington) and that is not a bad thing. Most republicans are for it and if it can get passed lobbyists become an extinct breed the next day. Personalized S.S. best idea in years and no stock firms are not gonna charge exhorbinate rates to shift your money and and manage your account. That had to be a liberal using their normal emotional scare tactics. Being retired once and have my retirement money managed is great, my account continues to grow at a moderate rate and they charge a very reasonable fee to take care of it. I stated with a zero bank account( I put $500.00 in it to open) and started my own General contracting company and if Hitlary gets elected I will probably have to close up shop because I won't pay her increased taxes and this will put 15 people out of work. I will do what I have always done for the last thirty-five years and take every spare dime, live at just above the poverty line, and hide it so it is out of the line of tax fire.I have done this everytime a dem has been in office for the last forty years and it works for me. I have always taken personal responibility for my life and my family (never taken a govt hand out, and served proudly in the Marine Corp.) Democrats spelled any other way comes out Communist. Are all democrats communist, OF COURSE NOT, but they need to read more facts and stop listening to the the emotional rants of their present leaders. No I don't agree 100% with the republicans but they are far better than the Dems idea of renaming my country ' THE UNITED SOCIALIST REPUPBLIC OF AMERICA' but this is just my opinion and I fought for it voluntairly just as all service men and women do today.

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BubbaDownSouth — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:20:56 GMT

To: Johnny Templeton, Selmer, Tennessee

Well, your comment was posted. Did you not believe it would be?
You got it off your chest.
Thanks for your sarcasm.

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Lester Seymour Indiana — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:23:35 GMT

I am a X-republican turned independant, since the
GOP was in charge I lost half my retirement, and
lost my health care, we need a third party real bad,
something like the workers party, all those Dems and Republicans are worried about the poor and minorities
then the working class, if Ron Paul will run indepenant I will vote for him, I will not vote for any of those other clowns.

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Sierra, SF — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:24:40 GMT

Dave, MI: '...As it is, Social Security taxes net less return than privately run savings accounts that are insured by the same government that runs Social Security....'
Of course, Dave.
Social Security funds AREN'T INVESTED !!
These funds are taken by to government to fund other programs, especially the war machine.

'...People who are scared to death of the stock market (despite the fact that, historically, investing in the S&P 500 over a 50 year period is the closest thing to a sure path to millionaire status mankind could ever hope to see)...'

See the dot com bust
The purpose of Social Security is 'security'
Not some gamble on the stock market.
I invest my 401K in the stock market
But, that take research that most people won't do.
Why not let the Social Security funds be set aside and invested in the stock market ?

ANSWER: The Wall Street insiders want to leach off of taxpayers to get their hands on it.
Sorry, Dave that's what 'privatization' is all about.

'...continuing to throw their money down the Social Security sinkhole...'

Why not invest these fund like the State of California does for its' employees and its' teachers?
Dave, I'll bet they get a higher rate of return than you do.

Oh I forgot, it's your anti-government 'philosophy' that prevents you seeing common sense.

'..."It is amazing how so many Americans want to bury their heads in the sand and pretend that there is not a threat from Islamic Extremist."...'

We're not in Iraq to fight al-Queda !!
We're in Iraq to steal the oil !!
We're in Iraq to expand the American Empire !!
We're in Iraq to control the Middle East
Don't conservatives know anything ??

'the truth shall set you free'

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james sharp — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:25:27 GMT

I find it interesting that many Americans decry the "mudslinging" in politics, but then sling as much mud as they can at people who don't agree with them. Actually, I don't recall politicians calling other politicians idiots, morons, child-like, loonies, Marxist, liers (sic), and other terms. Wouldn't it be nice if people practiced what they preach?
Hemersam, Garland, Texas

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Ron — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:27:01 GMT

I love rading all these comments, it is truley refreshing to hear the many views expressed in such an ugly fashion.
The war in iraq is the most important issue in this election, I am not a Paul supporter , but it was dispicable to hear his opinons booed.
I am just as horrified to think a democrat could be elected to the highest office in our land. We need less government control over our lives not more, that is the biggest differance in the two parties.

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H. Chamberlain, Kansas City — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:31:09 GMT

"Preserving our nation," and "defeating the Islamist militants" neither necessitate or justify usurpation of power by the President, irresponsible military adventures, diminishment of civil rights, or abandonment of our fundamental ethical principles.
The first time the current Republican administration met a challenge, they responded with cowardice, forsaking our rights and our most sacred principles. Ironically, it was those princiles that the rest of the world respected. They were the reason we were the enemy of totalitarian Islamists. Bush, Cheney, and their cronies diminished our nation, our ideals, and our institutions when al Quaida could not.
It is not surprising that they betrayed our principles, impinged upon our rights, diminished our power, and tarnished our reputation. They never believed in this nation, our fundamental principles, or our governmental institutions. From the beginning, they expressed their desire to "shrink the Federal Government until we can drown it in the bathtub."
They have shown disdain for civil rights, judicial review, international law, and morality (despite the lip service they give to that).
When this nation was challenged, the time had come to uphold our values, shore up our institutions, abide by our treaties and laws, and fight for our nation and all for which it stands (not just our skins). Instead, the Republicans lashed out in fear, abandoning our principles, circumventing our laws, subverting our institutions. When we were most dependent upon their leadership, they betrayed us. They are traitors.

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Sonny T. Tennessee — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:34:32 GMT

I guess this total negative attitude conveyed toward the Republicians is what I expect from MSNBC who like Amy is so smitten with the Clintons they have lost all common sense and reason. I must state that I am not a member of any political party, but have seen over the years how the democrats have kept pushing programs to keep people more and more dependent on the Federal government. It is their way of retaining power and the bottom line is , that is all they really want.

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PMO 2 — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:35:10 GMT

No one concerned about natiomal security (which includes protecting our borders...DUH)should support this administration. Any terrorist could easily enter our country through Mexico just like millions of illegal aliens do every month. We can't even get these damn cowboy rebublicans to finish building a fence!!! And if we have another 911 GOD FORBID (and may I suggest the location be the mans home who said we need another 911)we don't have the National Guard forces needed to respond (proven by the Hurricane Katrina disaster) because the majority are in Iraq or training for deployments. The majority of our troops are in another country.......how does that make America safer? Iraqis didn't attack us. An Islamic terrorist group attacked us (whose leader is still out there). An enemy who wants to bring down the United States would do exactly what the terrorists are doing and bait us into conflict after conflict so we get bogged down in many different countries, without military protection within our own borders, sucking the nations resources, bankrupting the country and leaving us vulverable against an attack. Our enemy list is growing and the number of countries who are scared of us diminished so that has made us weaker not stronger. They play Bush's ego against us because they know when he's baited he'll jump without thought or plan into another confrontation and before you know it our country will be broke, beaten and irrelevant. I believe their is an axis of evil and that we need to intelligently look for ways to confront our enemies but unfortunately the axis of stupidity is in charge and we're losing the war at home and abroad. The republicans still supporting Bush are against abortion because it takes a life but seem okay with the fact that 3700 mamma's babies have died in the IRAQ war. You are greedy cannibals who believe any means justify any end to satisfy your own personal crusade. The republicans are curious to know why the democrats are reading their blogs.........I personally keep reading these blogs because when in war you should KNOW YOUR ENEMY. I'm fighting for my childrens future in America. Just keep talking and while you're still telling yourself how right, intelligent and profound you are the rest of the world will be celebrating that sanity has returned to the USA after the next election.

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Jeff Hadley Truro NS — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:38:03 GMT

I know how to get all those crooks in the audience to stop booing Ron Paul.... Draft the 20 or 30% of the electorate who still want us in Iraq, That should correct any grandeur they might have about needless war. WTF did lockheed martin have a staff meeting there, Ron Paul had the most contributions from active military

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David, Dallas — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:38:57 GMT

I like many of you here used to believe in our foreign interventions to stop terrorism. I was mislead by our media and the powers (banking elite and military industrial complex) behind the scenes. Once I discovered Ron Paul however, my thinking was completely transformed. There is probably no way for these comments alone to change your views. I urge you desperately to research further on your own. Start here: http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=798 This was a speech Ron Paul gave to Congress before 9/11, back on 2/08/01. His insight will amaze you if you decide to open your mind and look around. This is just the beginning of your journey to the truth. I hope you join the revolution.

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Mark G, Chicago, IL — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:40:09 GMT

Its really amazing how far some candidates will go to get so little in return. All claim to be the reincarnation of Ronald Reagan (save for Ron Paul); however, all espouse policies that would even make "The Gipper" wince. Moreover, all have forgotten Reagan's 11th Commandment - Thou shalt not criticize another Republican. I've never seen so many desparate men trying for a miracle to stand out from the field.

Putting the politics aside for a moment and just looking at her from the public speaking angle, these gentlemen should note how Hilary Clinton is showing genuine political leadership by talking about what she wants to do and the direction she wants to lead. She eschews being critical of Obama or Edwards. She knows she's going to need their future support and she's not dividing her party. Moreover, she's even got the Republicans promoting her as the future Democratic nominee.

None of these genuine conservatives can afford Mary Madelin or Karl Rove??

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JeanneGA — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:41:17 GMT

Ho hum, and all this hot air blowing around and the bottom line is we will get a democrat in the White House again.Thank the Lord!Praise be to Jesus! Whew!

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Josef Torkelsen, San Diego, CA — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:44:57 GMT

I don't see why privatizing social security is bad. Why would I want my money to go straight into an account that the government can use at free will that doesn't earn me interest. It would be great for it to go in a place where I can see how much it is earning, actually earn money on it while supporting American business, and knowing that some government person won't use my money. I can't see how this could be taken in a bad way!!! Enlighten me please cuz I want to know. All I know it that I've been growing up and my teachers have told me from 4 grade through college that I will never see my social security. That's a good feeling now isn't it? Everyone knows it and noone wants to fix it.

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Tom Tuttle, Tacoma, WA — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:47:25 GMT

Another totally staged fox news event- I love watching that moron Hannity get so worked up about Ron Paul.He told Paul that the poll results weren't true, that folks really didn't think he won the debate, to which Paul replied, "You're saying your own poll isn't right?" Yeah, that's it Sean- which is the worst thought- that more than 1/3rd of the Republicans who saw the debate want Ron Paul as their candidate or that you morons at fox can't even figure out to run a poll? Go RP- donate at his site!

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Jessica Phoenix AZ — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:48:50 GMT

So, Hilary for president would change everything, right? Then we'll be an even bigger joke. You realize they are all just puppets, right? Keep us arguing, regurgitating useless facts and ideals of one party or another, meanwhile they're on their way to Iran as we speak, only trying to find a way to convince us it's a trip worth taking. Take the blindfolds off people. We'll tear eachother down to prove what? Republicans are better, Democrats are better, liberals are idiots, conservatives are idiots....whatever! Quit wasting your time in division! What kind of world are we leaving our children? Open your eyes!!! These are dead arguments, distractions. What are you actually going to do about it? Believe what you hear? Don't forget: everything you are told is fueled by someone's agenda. Find out for yourself what the agenda is...the resources are out there but you aren't going to find them on mainstream news.

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MWard — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:50:32 GMT

I think everyone who supports the war and Bush should enlist in the military right now!

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R Powell Melrose Florida — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:52:54 GMT

To the poor guy that lost half his retirement under Bush (sorry sunshine) it probably is not Bush's fault. You probably put your funds in high risk high return commodities and then did watch the market. If your gonna invest you better know as much about the market as your manager of your funds does. This is known as personal reponsibilty. The housing market is in shambles now because everyone is greedy by nature( both sides of the fence) and now it has outpriced the individual income. Everyone going "well we will buy it now and flip it for more in a couple of years( what you believe a bubble can expand forever?
We would not be here now except for the ever expanding entitlement programs the Dems always vote for and we pay for. And for all you people out there screaming about our deficit I suggest you look at the percent of the GNP it actually is and then figure your personal deficit against your income( oops I am so sorry that would mean you would come face to face with a hard fact)

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W Gary Johnson, New York, NY — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:55:36 GMT

Ron Paul may not have won over Fox News Channel's hand-picked audience, but he won their text-message poll with 38% of the votes. Meanwhile, all of the other candidates have taken to peppering their remarks with references to "the founders" and "the constitution" in a transparent attempt to steal Ron Paul's rhetoric.

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Jamie Moyer, David City NE — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:58:25 GMT

Carrie Eastern Iowa --- The problem is not the Democrats. The problem is the GOP, led by Senator McConnell who has stated that they intend to make 60 votes the benchmark for any Iraq legislation relating to withdrawal of the troops.

If only this were true. Anyone that believes this is simply delusional. The Democrats own congress, and therefore own the purse strings. They have the obligation to NOT pass any legislation that will fund the war in Iraq. 60 votes are not required in the Senate to accomplish that task. To date, the Democratic lead congress has passed any and all legislation required to fund the war. Bush is now asking for another $40 billion for the war. Does anyone believe he won't get it from the lap dog congress?

Democrats came out is droves last year to throw the Republicans out of control of congress. Now we see exactly what was gained from the last election . . . nothing.

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ron bodin — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:03:35 GMT

Watching these bozos: i say larry craig for president. at least we know what his vice seems to be.

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Nobody,America — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:07:35 GMT

After looking at the RonPaulintro site
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/10/22/423699.aspx?p=0

I have got to add a few comments:

He wants to get rid of income taxes, yeah me too, but replace the lost revenue by taxing the oil industry which means I'll pay more for gas. No thanks.

He wants to get rid of the IRS, yeah me too, but that would just put millions of people let alone another industry out of work(tax preparers,refund banks etc.) not too mention federal employees who will get rif'd and lose their benefits.

Iran has a navy,an air force and an army. In what world would the U.S govt ever intentionally contaminate oil field's as vast as Iran's?

If we didn't interfere with other countries we would all be speaking German, and Japanese(those of us left anyway).

Social Security should allow you to invest a portion...but not all markets crash.

His take on Education needs to be clarified more.

Universal low cost health insurance should be a right...I mean who can afford to take their kids for school shots and a physical without it let alone an ER visit. Without insurance your talking 95$ for the physical and 25$ per vaccine!

Radical Liberalist...uh what!

Opposes the war on drugs? Targeting the dealers means an increase in Law enforcement,court filings,lawsuits,longer prison terms and so on and so on. So much for smaller gov't unless you don't consider the justice dep't part of the gov't.

As for the polls they are biased anyone can skew data to their advantage. All you need is someone skilled in statistics and you can make anyone/anything look as good or bad as you like.

I'm not saying I'm against Ron Paul just some of his ideas.

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Slim Pickins — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:14:21 GMT

Apparently the liberals have forgotten that it takes two sides to make a war. So if the US quits the war on terrorism and the terrorists don't what then? They seem to complain a lot when nutcases kill kids in schools I suppose they won't mind if Moslem fanatics kill thier kids, hey isn't that why they are against the war in Iraq? Maybe the illogic of thier reasoning is why people say lefty firing squads form in circles.

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R Powell Melrose Florida — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:19:38 GMT

To H. Chamberlin, I think you must be to young to remember the internment camps in the U.S.A in WW2. 8 years of the first Clinton and how many service people lost their lives and his response( we will talk about it) We get a President that says( and means)if you mess with us we are coming to kick A$% and take names and then does it. Now you complain it is taking too long and we back home safe and secure are worried about some minor civil liberty being suspended. GIVE ME A BREAK. Several thousand years under religous dictatorship and somehow they are suppose to be like us in four short years. Sunshine we have been at it for over two hundred years and we haven't got it right yet, are we doing it better than everyone else today my opinion is yes. If anyone on this response list can name just one liberty that has personally been affected I am dying to hear about. I haven't personally been affected by any of it. I fly and I do not like the lines to pass thru any less than anyone else, but then I don't carry my cellphone, nail clippers, or anything else on the list and I go right thru when its my turn no problem.
I have asked this question many times and have not ever gotten a response and I can't wait to hear from the net and their story.

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Ward 9 — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:22:58 GMT

"If only this were true. Anyone that believes this is simply delusional. The Democrats own congress, and therefore own the purse strings. "

YOUR'S is the delusional statement. Having a razor thin majority means nothing when all the Repukagains stand together, no matter how many American kids die.

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Ed Feeney, SF, CA — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:23:37 GMT

i PROMISE YOU THAT THE MAJORITY OF THOSE BOOS CAME FROM THE SAME CROWD OF OLD-TIMERS WHO STILL HANG AROUND THE VFW HALLS SCREAMING HOW THE HIPPIES LOST THE VIET-NAM WAR. THESE PEOPLE NEVER CHANGE. I LIKE TO CALL THEM THE "BLIND OBEDIENCE CROWD.

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Dot, Illinois — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:24:08 GMT

Jamie Moyer, David City, NE

"They have the obligation to NOT pass any legislation that will fund the war in Iraq. 60 votes are not required in the Senate to accomplish that task. To date, the Democratic lead congress has passed any and all legislation required to fund the war."

I don't think that is a fair statement. As long as American men and women are fighting in Iraq, no member of Congress in his right mind would vote to cut off funding to keep them in supplies, etc. I don't think many Americans would.

There is a difference between voting the funds to meet the needs of our soldiers and voting to set a time dealdline for troops to come home.

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PMO2 — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:25:09 GMT

Ann,

Is that what your husband or your father told you? Or did you hear that from Rush Limbaugh? Have you actually read anything about Hillary? Have you EVER researched BOTH SIDES of an argument and looked for valid points on each side even though you didn't agree with it? I have. I've listened first and now I'm speaking out. I don't need you or anyone to tell me what I can plainly see with my own eys and ears. This country is rotten and we need a change. I'm not saying that I believe that the democrats are 100% right but I am saying that the republicans have been wrong for this country for the last 6 years. I'll be voting for what I feel the better of two evils will be and I know it. I'm also smart enough to realize that an independent candidate can't win until this country changes the way we nominate and campaign. Women have been running households for many decades and I'm ready to give a women a chance to lead this country. I know in my family I'm the one who knows what is going on, where everything is, how much money we have and the one who can calm most situations. I believe a womens agenda will be more nurturing and family friendly. That's not to say that women are soft because most of the women I know also do most of the discpline and know when and how to be firm. Have you ever had a family member or friend take FMLA to have a baby, take care of a parent or deal with cancer? FMLA was an initiative that was passed in large part because of HIllary's efforts as first lady. I've had two babies and I am thankful that bill was passed so I could have some bonding time with my children without fear of losing my job. I'm glad my mother in law could take 12 weeks off during her chemotherapy for breast cancer so she could recover. I have an interest in making sure a change happens. I have a husband in the Army who I'm not ready to lose in Iraq for this administration. I wouldn't be able to explain to my 3 year old and 6 month old what their daddy died because I don't understand what we're gaining myself. I come on these websites to promote a change and because I'm encouraged that so many other people finally see it too. I'm sorry you are so deeply burried you can't see it. It truly makes me sad. Before this President you and I could have probably sat down and enjoyed a glass of tea and talked politics but because you're either "with him or against him" we've forgotten that we're support to love thy neighbor and only see red or blue.

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Chuck Walker, stillwater MN — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:28:01 GMT

Eliminate federal taxes? Unconstitutional?? If it happened we would, of course, have to eliminate the military. How would we pay for it? Probably an equitable trade. However, all those making incredible profits from this and other wars would squeal like the pigs they are.

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David Pignon Warminster, Pa 18974 — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:31:19 GMT

The crowd booed when Ron Paul mentioned ending the war, bringing our boys home,peaceful talk to other nations, fixing our problems at home......

They booed these ideas, WTF?!

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Jay Warwick, RI — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:31:41 GMT

Lets get a truly fair election in 2008, with paper receipts for the e-voting machines so there's no more funny business (i.e. exit polls in key states being so far off from the actual results - nudge nudge, wink wink), so we can get a true representation of the will of the American people. Then these Republican degenerate crooks will get swept out for good.

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Pinhead — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:34:19 GMT

R Powell. To qoate Bill Orally of Faux Noise "Your a pinhead!"

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Ron New Port Richey FL — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:35:15 GMT

Slim Pickens : You said it ! We have been at war with islamic fanatics since 1979! We didn't fire the first,second,or even the third shot in this war. But it took a man of courage to say enough is enough. When will the people of this nation realize this is a fight for our survival.
I find it very ironic that people say this nation is going to hell in a hand basket and that nations around the world hate us, but why are so many people trying to come to this country (both legally and illegaly)? Maybe it is because we are the greatest country in the world.

On another subject, those who want socialized health care can you tell me why people in Canada are coming to the US for elective surgery and to give birth in our hospitals?

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R Powell Melrose Florida — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:39:10 GMT

To Doug in San Diego;

I suggest you read HR25, better known as the Fair tax Bill, and then you might have a grip on reason. Read the book " The Fair Tax" 135 pages of easy reading( even for a liberal) and you will realize that the reason the employer will pay your full amount is because he will have to. The jobs that have gone overseas will be flooding back here and even the illegal immigration problem will become a small problem to be handeled but will come down from the excited level it is at today. Read the book, what have you got to lose.

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R Powell Melrose Florida — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:45:02 GMT

to pinhead;

What? oops I'm sorry I know you can't hold a thought longer than ten words. Don't wish to appear mean but if you would read the book "The Fair Tax" then atleast we could try for some reasonable exchange of ideas and you would not need to resort to emotional name calling.
Have a Great Day

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John S. Alexander, Edinboro, PA — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:51:33 GMT

Hey, David James. You say "It is amazing how so many americans want to bury their heads in the sand and pretend that there is no threat from Islamic extremism."
We do have our heads somewhere else, up the butts of the royal family of Saudi Arabia thanks to the two oil men in the white house. Bush crated them all back home after 911. Who do you think is bankrolling the extremists. It is the Wahabbists who run the royal family of the desert sands.
Are you also the ranter JAMES, if so, looks like multiple personality disorder, group think does that to you.
Mike from Houston, we are watching your guys because Stephen Colbert is just not funny anymore. This is a wonderful blog, I love all the ranting, even my own. Keeps me from blowing my brains out knowing we have fifteen more months of Bush trying to start another conflict without finishing the first two or finding Bin Laden. I say after Iran, On to Pakistan-Dick Cheney wants a deep water port off of India so that we can surround China. Armmageddon anyone?

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R Powell Melrose Florida — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:52:20 GMT

PMO;

I would believe your husband and you do not share the same view and since I have a daughter just back and and son-inlaw just over for 18 mos. I tend to believe your story is just that. My opinion is that I would never disrepect my husband or wife as you just did, but It is only my opinion and I do not mean to disrepect yours.

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girl in cali — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:54:07 GMT

to everyone that wants hillary to win, Wake up and smell the juan valdez. If hillary wins then it means NOTHING will change. America has been under the rule of the same two families for almost 30 years Bush as vp (80-88)bush as pres (88-92) clinton (92-2000) and lil bush (2000- now). And now people say hillary is CHANGE!! ya sure lets shoot for forty years of the same two families and watch America go to third world nation

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Ron New Port Richey Fl — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:54:49 GMT

Ed I know the feeling !

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Jeff — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:55:15 GMT

My earlier post about 2000 a year starting when you are 16 will make you a millionaire. I caddied when I was in the summer and pulled about 150 a day cash 6 days a week. That's 3600 a month no taxes taken out. That's over 10 grand a summer living at home. Can't put away 20%?

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Harold Torroes, LA CA — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:55:38 GMT

YOUR'S is the delusional statement. Having a razor thin majority means nothing when all the Repukagains stand together, no matter how many American kids die

No, you are delusional Ward. If congress cuts off funding, then the troops would have to come home. Plain and simple. Something even a liberal could easily understand.

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Jim — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:56:34 GMT

No way I could vote for Huckabee he believes in creationism.

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R Powell Melrose Florida — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:56:36 GMT

I think Ed Feeney is a liberal, don't get mad at me Ed, its just my opinion, RFLOL, RFLOL

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Pinhead — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:59:35 GMT

to pinhead from pinhead RE: R Powell. I am having a great day cause everyone of the Reagan pretenders trying to become the newly selected pres for 08 in the GOP ticket are all LOSERS who continue to back this poor excuse of an administration and it's croonies. Maybe RP has chance when hell freezesss over. LOL

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Slim Pickins — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:03:13 GMT

Oh I might mention the liberal solution to the War in Rhodesia was to put Robert Mugabe in Charge as the DEMOCRATICALLY elected President. Thirty four years later all the White People have been run out, the economy has colapsed, the people are starving and President for life Mugabe and his thugs are still in charge. The liberals kept McArther from winning in Korea and Kim il Jung has nuclear weapons, Jimmy Carter did nothing to stop Khomeni from taking over Iran, Truman didn't stop the Russians from taking over eastern Europe we got out of Vietnam and the Commies took over, the Sadanistas sold dope to support thier Revolution and sold it out to the Soviet Union in short everything the left has done foreign policy wise since 1945 has been wrong.

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Keith Halderman, Boyds, Maryland — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:07:46 GMT

Amy writes "I'm happy to declare Hillary the winner of the next election" and my question to her is why are you happy that the candidate who is receiving the most money from defense contractors
http://politicalinquirer.com/2007/10/19/hillary-clinton-receives-the-largest-number-of-military-donationsfrom-the-defense-industry/

is supposedly going to win. Why are you happy that a candidate who said in a debate that she could not promise to have our troops out of Iraq by 2013 and who voted to make the Iranian Revolutionary Guards (essentially that country's army) a terrorist organization might win? Amy, I can only conclude that you support the war in Iraq and want a new one to begin with Iran, am I right?

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Jim Crowly — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:12:04 GMT

Yes. We have a lot of sick people here in the U.S. and all they want is to attach other countries; instead they should be taking pills for their retarded and savage behavior.

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Mike, Cabot, AR — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:12:31 GMT

Just what we need a divided country! Hey why don't we just divide the country up into liberals and conservatives, minority and majority, rich and poor, right wing and left wing, old and young. Let us all continue to fight among ourselves. Destroy this country from the inside. Islamic Extremist do not need to do anything except wait and well will destroy ourselves. We thought when we went into Iraq, it would be turn out like the first Gulf War, but we were wrong. Does Social Security need repair? Yes! A lot of brave men and women have lost thier lives(and I am not talking about just soldiers, sailors, marines, or airmen) to make this country the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave. When a house is divided and people do not resepect the rights of one another, then it will fall. Liberal or Conservative, we are all Americans are we not? Do we both not stand under the banner of freedom and are able to disagree? Did not the same constitution which limits government, which if one really reads it that all power is dirived from the governed, you and me! We should be thankful we have been born in this country and not in a country that limits your freedom to speak, worship, work, or have as many or few children as you want, travel when and where you want within the country, watch what you want, read what you want, and question your government when we do not agree. Regardless of who wins next November, we still face an enemy who would rather see each and every one of us bowing to Allah and living under Islamic law, than make peace with us. How can you make peace with someone who hates you for just who you are and wants you dead and will not stop trying to that end? People are flawed, plain and simple. Sometimes change is bad and sometimes to not change is bad, but we have to go down this road together. This is one Nation, under God, with life and liberty for all. Mr. Luther King, Jr. died believing it, many in our history have fought and died to defend it. Sure we will disagree about the direction of the country, but when there is no dialouge, or we break into our petty parties and fight one another and find no common ground, then I suspect that the United States will be nothing more than a dream in a hundred years. Another failed democracy on the scrapheap of history. There is more that unites us than divides us.

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Pinhead — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:15:56 GMT

To Slim Pickens.

And your point is? Boy! GW sure did a heck of a job and is still doing hecka. Right? I dub U another pinhead. LOL

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:23:17 GMT

Jamie Moyer: Oh, that it were as simple as you make it out to be. It's not, you know. Think about it for more than 30 seconds. Unless Congress passes a resolution ordering the troops to be withdrawn, Bush is not obligated to do it on his own. With or without funding, he can keep them there as long as he wants. Is there anything in the history of this administration that indicates that Bush would actually bring the troops home if there was no money? He and Dick clearly don't give a damn about what the American people think. They don't give a damn about separation of powers and checks and balances and all of those other constitutional things.

You may be willing to let him play chicken with the lives of our troops, but I'm not.

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Jason — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:40:28 GMT

Brain hurting...too..much....Republican nonsense.....ahhh...bitter...insults....*cough* losers

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Mark S. — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:43:58 GMT

Any of you supporters of the Republican agenda and it's unwaivering support of the war in Iraq want to take a stab at this question?..What were the Sunnis and the Sh'iites doing to each other oh..say..1,000yrs ago?...That's right!..They were killing each other...(as in civil war)...The real enemy is IRAN and we can't even adequately address that problem because we are so "interested" in imposing our democracy on an Iraqui society that doesn't care nor do they want us there!

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Patrick, Baton Rouge, LA — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:54:05 GMT

Every single person in that audience ought to be ashamed of themselves. Never in my entire life would I have ever thought an American would boo someone for advocating peace. Agree or disagree with the war, I don't know a single person who would not want peace for our country and the world as a whole. Everyday more people die in Iraq, civilians and soldiers alike, and we hardly know what for. With each passing day the situation is growing worse due to Kurdish invasions into Turkey, which the US forces are unable to stop. This is a real situation that needs real solutions, not booing for the hope of finding an end to it all. I am disappointed in my fellow Americans who took part in that disgraceful show of iggnorance. I ask that took a good hard look at what our soldiers are dying for and ask themselves is it worth it all.

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Austin, Brewster, NY — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:55:44 GMT

Ron Paul may not have "livened up the crowd" at the FOX NEWS DEBATE (go figure...), but he certainly spoke with integrity about what is important to the majority of the country. Ron Paul is energizing and inspiring people from all parties, and has led many to joining the Republican party purely to be able to support him. Don't let the pundits at fox news keep you from researching this mans ideas for yourself.

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John B, Des Moines, IA — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:58:12 GMT

Slim, now you've totally lost it. The liberals didn't keep McArthur from winning in Korea, the prospect of a million Chinese swarming across the border did. Kim Il Jung had a valid inspection program and his nuclear aspirations were contained until GW took over and started shooting off his mouth. We never had a valid reason to go to Vietnam and after 58,000 lives and still a stalemate it was obviously time to get out. Guess what, the Domino Theory turned out to be so much BS and nothing around them fell as a result. There wasn't anything Carter could do about Iran, after years of tyrannical, US-supported rule the Iranians were sick of the Shah and their hatred of him is still reflected in hatred of us. Truman wasn't in a position to stop the Russians from taking over eastern Europe, were we supposed to turn on our own ally and continue right on through to Vladivostok? The neocons have made the world a considerably more dangerous place in the last 6 years. That's the legacy the GOP has left, they're going to have to live with it.

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Judith, Los Angeles, CA — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:00:13 GMT

These Republican candidates are truly pathetic, all of them trying to be more conservative--or should I say reactionary--than the others. We need a new way of progressive policies to stop the continuing shrinking of the middle and working class. Also, how can any of these guys win while supporting Bush's disaster in Iraq? I am counting down the days until the GOP is out of power.

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Grover Fitz, Columbia, SC — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:25:18 GMT

Thought it was ironic that Bush was standing tall and asking Congress for more than $40 billion dollars for our war efforts in Iraq...of course when it comes to something as far as domestice spending, Children Health Care, new roads, new levies...their is never enough money for any of these much needed projects! What is wrong with Republicans today? They have the wrong priorities...it's that simple! They would rather throw money at a useless war and tap their feet in men's bathrooms. Oh Yes! We need more!

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AlohaGreg, Seattle, WA — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:46:23 GMT

The FIRST candidate to support ANY type of investment (whether it be stocks, bonds, real estate, forex,etc.) as a supplement to socialist security, will have MY vote!

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donavon wesner durant okla — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:47:02 GMT

well if hillary gets the elct were all in a mess has every one forgot bill becase hillary was making the calls not bill he was to biz getting layed

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HC — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:50:51 GMT

Let’s see now. It seems like everybody here wants a CHANGE. So okay, of the 8 Democrats running for president, 7 of them are currently serving in the Congress, and they all got there promising CHANGE, and we got just what they promised: Congress has, as we speak, the lowest approval rating in the history of the United States. Is that maybe because they are STILL so interested in making CHANGE that they can’t make the CHANGES they were elected to make?

The other candidate held two jobs in the Bill Clinton administration: Secretary of Energy and Ambassador to the United Nations. In those two jobs his record of accomplishments amount to two things, as in one for each job: As Secretary of Energy our own energy production tanked, and as Ambassador to the UN he let Bin Laden slip out of reach. And since becoming govenor of New Mexico he has become a driving force behind the open borders crowd.

It is now 22 days into a new governmental year, and these 7 members of the congress still have not put together one single item of budget projections for the coming year.

SOME CHANGE !!!

And for the person who wants to do away with the government’s unabashed hunger for taxes, it might be well to remember that the very first thing the very first congress of these United States did was to create the groundwork that led to the Whiskey Rebellion by imposing taxes.

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PMO2 — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:51:40 GMT

R Powell,

It's hard for you to believe anyone serving could actually be against the war. It's hard for me to believe that anyone who has a daughter who served there could be for it. You would be wrong in assuming that my husband doesn't share my views. My husband is a Captain in the Army and we agree that this war was founded on false pretenses, rushed into to without proper planning and without the support of the American people. We know it's a mess we caused over there and that it is his duty as a soldier to serve and do his best to clean the mess up. I couldn't be more proud of his service and the service of his fellow soldiers and would NEVER disrespect him or his service (as you have by disregarding an opinion which he has fought for the right for us to have). War shouldn't be a choice but a necessity and it should be handled and ended responsibly. Our soldiers do what they are ordered to do and while in uniform my husbands duty is to command his soldiers in the mission given to him by the commander and chief. That doesn't mean he has to agree with him. Many Generals have retired after serving these wars so they could be free to speak up against it. If you are a soldier and publicaly against the war you don't get promoted and that is retaliation. That is one reason why so many soldiers don't speak against the war. The other reason could be the fact that despite a soldiers desire to leave the military they can't because of stop-loss (backdoor draft not allowing those who have fulfilled their obligation to retire or leave the military during a military conflict) since this conflict began. I know soldiers who are both for and against the mission. I respect their right to their opinion and I respect yours. I would never dream of calling you a liar as you have implied I am. I'm glad your daughter returned home safely from service. I hope your son in law does the same. And if you have grandchildren I hope they never know the pain of losing their parent or have to live with the void of never getting to know them. If you don't respect my freedom then what exactly do you think you are supporting in Iraq?

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Ron — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:57:45 GMT

The GOP's General Election Problem is they're gonna lose. And pushing the same old baloney means, they're gonna lose Big-Time. Look at Dubya's approval percentages. That will be what they'll get in November.

Well our congress only has an 11% approval rating. So does that mean the Dems are glose the next election ??? NO ! ! ! ! !.... it just means their job is not being done. The GOP's biggest problem is they have no cajones..... not opne will stand up and challenge any democrat on anything....

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Ruppert, New York, New York — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:16:33 GMT

O.K. so none of them were as conservative as Reagan and Goldwater, but so what. The front runners are true Neo-cons and that is what counts. These republican candidates are for the Iraq war and for an upcoming Iran war. What else can you ask for, an invasion of Saudi Arabia? Was the Iraq war a good idea, yes, of course!! We all knew that Saddam did not have WMDs since we had inspectors in Iraq for six years. Saddam was a menace, not because of WMDs, but because he was sending money to the surviving parents of "Genocide Bombers" is Israel. These are fine bunch of candidates, specially Ruddy. Now, if the other side wins that is also fine. Hillary is another outstanding neo-con.

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lamar branson — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:19:20 GMT

check out who all voted to have english as our lamguage and who did not.

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Paul Evans, Carlsbad, CA — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:32:52 GMT

If former president Clinton had stopped the main terrorist when he had the chance our brave men and women would not be where they are today.
As far as social securit...hmmmm what has the stock market done since it was suggested....highest it has ever been. Wake up liberals. You keep pandering to the minority, 17%, who don't believe in God and you will end up a defeated country. I'm fortunately not going to be around when socialized medicine and welfare for all becomes a reality. There will only be have nots. Get people off their tails and put them to work. If it is going to be a free ride, let them do some local work. Every city has something that can be done by those getting a free ride.

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Bob Vondruska — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:35:56 GMT

It is quite obvious that the so-called "focus" group during the debate consisted of dimwits trying to get their 15 minutes of fame. The simple fact that all of these 20 or so people (in todays world of 24/7 information) were still undecided prior to the debate tells me that they are either stupid or live under a rock! The audience was bussed in by the four "top tier candidates",provided with tickets and given instructions to boo Ron Paul and cheer their candidate no matter what they say. Ron Paul didn't say anything derogatory, unpatriotic or untrue; the difference was the sponsor (Fox News Channel) and four empty suits that are desperate to silence Ron Paul because he's letting the air out of their sails. I'm not surprised at all by the boos; it's what you should expect from an audience full of ignorant people looking for cute soundbites from Rudy, Mitt, Fred and John instead of the truth and solutions to our nation's problems. Fox News Channel showed their bias for the RNC approved candidates; the ones that will make the best puppets and continue to provide Fox News with chaos and scandals to report on. Why on earth would they want to support a candidate who would make our lives better and give us a wise and frugal government? Go Ron Go!!

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Damian (Seattle, Wash.) — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:00:16 GMT

The liberals on this message board make me, and probably many others, want to stay far to the right of them. I'm not defending the pro-war crowd, but the shrillness and immaturity of the left is on full display in this comment thread.

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Brad Linzy, Evansville, IN — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:07:43 GMT

"They booed Ron Paul?? Well then I know who I will vote for now! RP you are the ONE! Vote for Ron Paul if Fox people hate him he MUST be good."

-IMPEACH (Sent Monday, October 22, 2007 11:24 AM)

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You have no idea how right you are.

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Tom, Michigan — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:09:59 GMT

How in the world can Dubya still have a 30% approval rating? It's hard to believe there are that many rednecks that still can't see Bush is a complete idiot (and Cheney is pure evil). Just let the GOP candidiates keep pretending to be like Bush, and we'll surely get a decent (Democrat) president in '08.

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Eric Redblood, Gastonia, NC — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:16:27 GMT

Ron Paul is insane! He wants to actually stop killing Muslims! What he doesn't realize is that the Islamo-Facsists want to kill us and enslave us. If we leave the Middle East, millions of them will come to America to rape our women and behead our children. The best thing to do is to hunker down over there so we don't have to fight them over here. As long as we are killing them and torturing them in Iraq, they will be too busy to bother blowing up any trains or subway stations. Think about it. It makes so much sense that you crazy liberals and Ron Paul supporters will never understand it.

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Jamie Moyer, David City NE — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:50:22 GMT

Carrie, please stop making excuses for the absolute dismal performance of the Democrats. They could not have done a worse job then they have done. It's you that needs to take a deep breath and do an objective evaluation of the Democrats actions. Just what would be different today if congress remained in the Republican hands? The answer is nothing. And the Democrats were elected last year on what platform? The Democrats are all talk, no action, and totally spineless.

Again, you seem to have had another delusional moment to even think about believing that the troops would remain at war without funding. Do you ever step back and think about what you write? It is really not apparent that you do.

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Ron Campbell — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:09:25 GMT

a comment ona blog by "common sense, not rich man's politics", we have to remember that one half of that social security is paid by the employer. this has to be studied just a little to see what effect it would have on smaller employers. A change in the law saying all earnings over $100,000 are to be taxed only on the employee might have to be added. Just a thought by a die hard independent.

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steve snow, suwanee,georgia — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:17:06 GMT

The problem with this Republican crowd is that they're living in the last century. Don't they read the polls? They are completely counter in their political assertions to the mood of this country. Americans do not support privatizing social security, Americans, by an overwhelming margin,l believe that Iraq was lost, LOST, a long time ago, and nothing anyone of these cretins awows will change the reality. They still act as though their party didn't lead this nation into this fiasco, and by drumming something, no matter how false, long enough, somehow we will all come to believe this stupidity. I can't wait to vote!

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Ian, Santa Clara — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:42:30 GMT

To Ron in New Port Ritchie:

Slim Pickens : You said it ! We have been at war with islamic fanatics since 1979! We didn't fire the first,second,or even the third shot in this war. But it took a man of courage to say enough is enough. When will the people of this nation realize this is a fight for our survival.

So we have been at war with slamic fanatics since 1979? Where did you learn your history, at the Florida Crackers community college? You have being drinking too much of Hannity's & Rush's neocon cool-aid.

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mike, san antonio, texas — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:00:18 GMT

I am a Ron Paul supporter. I believe he is by far the best candidate running. He has BIG ideas. When people hear a general overview of BIG ideas they tend to think they are "kooky". Imagine what people though when the Wright brothers told people they were going to fly. Imagine what a good portion of people thought when JFK said we were going to the moon. Imagine what people in the 1950's would have said if you described the microwave to them. If you want to criticize Congressman Paul's positions in this forum, that is ok. Just make sure that you UNDERSTAND his positions. Don't make up things like "he wants to do away with all government". It is simply not true. If you are so lazy that you won't take the time to inform yourself and contribute to the debate in a manner other than name-calling or making up things that are not true, please go back to watching cartoon network reruns and turn off the computer. For you Hillary supporters, I think Mike Huckabee hit the nail on the head when he said "there is nothing funny about having Hillary Clinton as president". I disagree with Mr. Huckabee on several things, but that item he is completely correct. Hillary would spend us into bankruptcy. Just remember, communism doesn't work.

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rjg1219,FL — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:29:02 GMT

Why are bmost of this country just now awakening to the fact that the republican Party & esp the Bushies are out only for their own Grandiose image & wealth; & care not for the average or middle class bloke who has to work every day to feed, clothe & care for his family. Never did never will. Skull & Bones isn't just a college prank club. They have lied from the beginning & will never fess up.They knew there was nothing about WMDs; but there was oil- & besides they made a fool of m' Daddy- & I'm a BIGGER man than m' Daddy. This is the Republican Party of their Fathers & their Croonies, & will be until Americans vote them out of every office in America. The Constitution is pulled out only to wave like the flag to roust the unknowing, but trampled by them to support their own BS. I've voted a many Repubicans & Demovcrats; but this is a year that Mickey Mouse & Goofy will get more than the Repubicans. Save the Republic-Abolish Republicans!!!

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John Herlick, Fargo, North Dakota — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:39:22 GMT

I am very attracted to Ron Paul. However, I believe that the Iraq War was (and is) a noble effort by the United States. The world is a far better place without Saddam Hussain (sp?) in power.
- WMDs? We haven't found them; but Saddam actually used them against the Kurds and Iran. And if he had them once he could cook them up again.
- Most of the "trouble" post Saddam was started by the minority Sunnis. They can't seem to understand/accept that Saddam (and they) lost.
- The minority Sunnis (Saddam's group) have lorded it over the majority Shites for years. Now is payback time.
- Iraq has been more quiet since the Surge.
- Does anyone really think that Iraq will be a better, more peaceful place if we leave?
- Since Afganistan and Iraq we have not had any more 9/11 incidents in THIS country.
- Perhaps the Muslims just HAVE to fight SOMEBODY. It is better that they fight each other then coming over to fight us.
- Really, it seems to me that many of the unfortunate military deaths are the "collateral damage" of the Sunnis and the Shites fighting each other.
- The Iraq War is over and has been for over four years. We won. What we have going on now is a police action and/or an Army of Occupation and/or peace keeping. But it is not a conventioanl war.
- Yes we have been in Iraq for over four years, and we have been in Germany for over 60 years, Korea over 50 years. Th military was still giving Army of Occupation medals for German and Japan until about 1954, and for Berlin until 1990 when the wall fell.
- The military men I have talked to have been fairly favorable about our actions there.
- I believe that the people of Iraq should have a chance to have decent lives. They couls not have them under Saddam, let alone his sons.

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Wellington, FL — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:03:44 GMT

Ron Paul is the only honest human being running in this election. He has never wavered from his views. He is "most supported" by our military who have donated $53,000 to his campaign. The Neocons don't want to hear the truth about our NATION BUILDING. The war mongers are going to put us into another World War. Dr Paul understand history and will not repeat it. Save the country! Restore our Constitution.
Ron Paul is our last hope.

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Wellington, FL — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:09:49 GMT

Why are some Democrats suppoting Ron Paul?
He will end the war. The Dem's will not. Even Billary said she would keep us there for several more years. She'll spend us to death before then though.\Don't judge Republicans by the Bush administration.
Dem's want amnesty or illegals. Talk about destroying a country. Ever heard the word OVERPOPULATION?
It's coming. We're already running out of water. Do you really want 20 million more Third World mexicans here? Note Democrat and you'll have them!

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Trollmaster, CA — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:12:24 GMT

How can you right wing warmongering chickenhawks expect to win the election when the vast majority are opposed to the Iraq war and thought it was a mistake to begin with?

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K. Bratcher, Florence, Oregon — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:12:54 GMT

The great pretender whoes now a complete lame duck, president Bush holds title to being the worst president of all times. The people of America acknowledged that last November when they flatly rejected any more republican bs. Of course, the democrats will prevail in November 2008 and further more one of their first priorities with be a thoral investigation of all activities during the previous eight years and I'll give odds that Bush will do time provided he isn't pardoned to preserve the office of the president. That will be a shame but maybe understandable.

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Karl B., Florence, Oregon — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:17:14 GMT

The republican party has proven that you can fool some of the people some of the time and you can fool republican people all of the time.

Hmmmm, I'm wondering if sex will be reintroducted to the oval office storage room?

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Terry Garvey Chicago, Illinois — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:30:42 GMT

After next year's election, when the religious crazies and war idiots have cast their few votes, we are going to wake up to a democratic government, the whole thing. The only one to blame is the current collection of incompetents, from Bush to Rice to HS to FDA, who have so messed up this country that we might never recover from them.

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Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:52:59 GMT

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me -
and there was no one left to speak for me.

Who are we that we wish so much ill-will on each other? Are there any Christians on the right, or have they all moved over to the left? Are there any people of faith on either side, or are we all agnostics? Even agnostics usually find common ground.

Usually, but apparently not now. Not in this mob driven melee of the 21st century in America.

Look at us. What other country on the face of the earth is as internally divided as the United States right now? Will somebody please name one. Just one.

And while we are at each other’s throats there are people that would use that divide to push us even further apart, , , And do it in a manner to make us blame each other, with the single intention of further dividing us. So, I ask: What part of Iran’s claim that the Holocaust never happened don’t we understand? What part of “Death to Amerika” are we not hearing? What part of “Allah Ackbar” is so sweet to the ears?

And most importantly, since some of us on all sides have something in common, except our politics, then I’d like to know where is the voice of Islam in America today that is even remotely asking for moderation among the radicals in their peers?

I submit two links for consideration. Anyone who can view either one and still say America has no business in the Middle East absolutely MUST speak out in detail as to why they feel that way , , , if they want their voice to have any authority.

Until now I have not heard such a voice of authority from a Democrat. All I hear is empty rhetoric. I wish it were not so,

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1185.htm

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1576.htm

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Eric Peterson,Kettle Falls,Wash — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:55:25 GMT

All you need to know about their judgment,is that all these guys voted for George Bush! Twice!!

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James Sugra — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:02:43 GMT

I really like how the other candidates are playing Ron Paul's game talking about the founders and the Constitution trying to get a little piece of that text message vote HAHA.

www.thisnovember5th.com

Be a part of it!

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Barg — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:09:22 GMT

People are retarded when they say "Ron Paul wants to eliminate public education, the military, and healthcare." First of all, we don't NEED a Department of Education. According to the 10th Amendment, powers not granted to the federal government are reserved for the states and the people. That INCLUDES EDUCATION. The federal government has no constitutional authority to do that. Paul wants an end to military globetrotting, so the imperial buffoons shout "ANTI-MILITARY!" Back up your shit before you let it ooz out of your mouth/ass.

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Gerry Merritt Eugene OR — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:10:24 GMT

Note to the GOP: keep up the good work. Your candidates are doing an excellent job of positioning the party into becoming the biggest political looser of all time. The ability of your presidential candidates to toe the party line at the expense of the existence of the GOP is truly astonishing. As a life time Democrat, I want to express my heartfelt thanks to your candidates for their best efforts in extinguishing the GOP once and for all. The GOP all of it’s’ neocon nut jobs are header for the trash can of history. Good Job!

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Rhj — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:11:06 GMT

I think it will be rudy vs. hillary, with rudy winning in a landslide.

you ron paul supporters have gone a long way towards turning off mainstream republicans. the hate-filled, namecalling, slightly hysterical rants that you guys post on these boards and elsewhere, are more akin to the liberal posters here.

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FreedomOfInformationAct — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:11:59 GMT

Bush is at 24 percent and still falling further, now he is officially the "worst president ever".

If things continue, bush will be sitting at 8 to 10 percent approval by nov 08, if he and cheney haven't been impeached and sentenced for war crimes in the haugue.

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Ashley, Plugerville TX — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:14:22 GMT

Saddam is gone...A new Iraq gov't has been made...That gov't's Prime Minister announced that they're ready for our troop withdrawal. Shouldn't we respect their sovereignty? I realize that our soldiers are fighting there and risking their lives, but if they suggest they can handle the situation--why not?

That is the question we really should discuss. By the way, I found it insulting that our Congress was talking about reorganizing Iraq into 3 states AFTER they already had voted on their own constitution. What are we doing voting on something as a suggestion when they have already made their gov't? Let's fight the terrorists instead!

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FreedomOfInformationAct — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:17:40 GMT

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Terry Portland, OR — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:04:17 GMT

About 25% of Germans still think Hitler had some good attributes. They have their 25 percenters, we have ours.

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Adam Love, Charlotte, NC — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:17:22 GMT

James Hines kicks @SS.

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David Nakov, Long Beach, California — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:18:58 GMT

USA neads to have some interference here and there in the world, it is in everybody's interest. You learn where that country is on the map, learn to closely enough pronaunce the name, to feal sorry for the people who call God Alah. What can you teach the world with failed education, failed nutrition-60% overweight, 40% obese and also ignorand. Be an example first before trying to teach others.

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Eric, San Francisco, Ca — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:36:19 GMT

Hillary is going to be just as bad as the NeoCons. I call her a NeoDem, infact.

Out of Iraq by 2013? Not sure what she would do about Iran? Sounds like a bad candidate to me and the other 75% of Americans who want out of the war.

The only problem is that I'd say around 10% of -those- people understand enough about economics, foreign policy and our governmental structure to understand what Ron Paul is talking about.

The only true flaws that Mr. Paul has that I can find, are his idealistic tendencies, as well as complexity of message. Unfortunately, too many Americans, Republican OR Democrat, are too dumb to understand what the hell he is talking about. Most of you on here are about 100 steps ahead of the next person, but I've seen some comments that make me want to scream.

Too much American Idol and SuperLotto have led us to where we are. At least some of us are waking up.

Oh, look, if you want -any- of your liberties restored, or a candidate that really seems to be telling the truth, you might want to vote for Ron Paul, and not just flinch the first time you hear him say he wants to get rid of the department of education. I mean, doesn't it sound terrible? Of course it does, it has "get rid of" and "education" in the same sentence. But some idiots can't discern what all the rest of those words mean or represent.

Ok, I'm done being pissed.

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James Gordon Smythe — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:49:57 GMT

Allowing people to VOLUNTARILY elect to privately invest a small portion (5% to 10%) of their Social Security contributions was a great idea. Unfortunately the American people are so ignorant that all the Dems had to do was scream "Bush wants to privatize Social Security" and that killed one of the very few good ideas this President has had. Bush never proposed that Social Security be "privatized," he never proposed that anybody be forced to do anything, he was simply proposing that an option be given. Good idea, ruined by the Democrats politicizing it as usual.

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Andy, New York, NY — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:53:28 GMT

Privatization benefits Wall Street -- Greed is going to ruin this country!

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Gus — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:09:43 GMT

"A lot say we need to be more forceful and brutal."
by Zhan, Indianapolis.

Yes, what a great idea! We need more force and brutality in this world of ours!

Your comments about conservatives being savages is, well, unfortunately in politics, pretty well on the mark. (no matter if it is Republicans in the U.S. or conservatives in Muslim countries.)

Let's hope that all their prophecies come true and they get raptured up to wherever they all think they are going, with their numerous virgins and what not. (I don't know too much about what bible thumpers in the U.S. think they have coming to them, other than heaven-if it exists.) If this happened, the rest of us with brains and any sense left at all could try to repair the world that they have all worked incredibly hard to destroy.

There is nothing wrong with religion, until it trys to ruin the world, which, amongst all the different versions, (mostly Christian and Muslim) they are doing a very good job of.

It is nice to see a Libertarian candidate doing well, for once. I guess we all forgot that we had rights. (other than your right to sit in traffic in your SUV on your way to the nearest strip mall, then back through traffic to your gated home in the suburbs.)

Here's to Ron Paul being the Republican candidate! I hope we can elect someone who doesn't answer directly to big money. (Hillary Clinton included, although, that would be better than any of the scum with an R in front of their name, other than Ron Paul-he should have an L-for Libertarian, in my opinion)

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Ron Aldof — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:10:44 GMT

I'm an independant voter. I am going to vote republican this time. Listening to a man that has a vision for once. Hearing the biased Fox network and the boos from the childish Juliani supporters. By the way why was Juliani so giddie last night. Too many martinis on the jet and limo over? Or was his thong riding high? I'm voting for the man that stand up for the people and not the big interests in this country. The man with the vision for the future of a free people. Ron Paul.

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leo tx — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:27:20 GMT

majrity, Gene ,ca. ya we need to be more forceful and also learn to spel

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KB, Minneapolis, MN — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:03:05 GMT

You right wing idiots keep repeating "win in Iraq". You don't get it do you. We can never "win in Iraq". The four major groups ind that country have been fighting each other for centuries and you actually believe we can stop that? The stupidity that that entails is unbelievable. They are on the verge of a major civil war that we can't stop. We just need to get out of the way and go home. We have better uses for the money we are wasting over there.

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wh, frankfort, ky — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:04:02 GMT

New surge! Send ALL the Republlican chicken hawks to Iraq including Mitt's pretty boys and Bush's pretty girls who have never faced ANY adversity! Dems, get some backbone. Not another dime for Bush / Chaney war for oil.

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Jeffery, Ravenswood WV — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:31:06 GMT

It amazes me how worked up we get over nothing without doing a little research for ourselves. If you believe that any political party has the average citizen's best interest at heart, you are sadly mistaken. Look in the history books and you will find how both sides have let us down and do not pay attention to what we say. It is all of them for each of them and the public be damned! I emplore all of you to start thinking for yourselves and looking out for you and yours. The politicians will not do that for you, because they are busy doing it for themselves. wake up and smell the coffee before it is too late for any of us to survive the carnage.

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Jeffery, Ravenswood WV — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:31:35 GMT

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S Shortna — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:31:58 GMT

The war is costing tax payers too much money. Most of the candidates in both parities will continue to support the rampant big government spending. Only Ron Paul has shown clear leadership and a better direction. Face it, the US government has grown too large and too far reaching. At this point Ron Paul is the only candidate that would be able to pull it in. As a left leaning independent voter I’m am moving to the right and supporting Ron Paul.

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Micheal M, KCMO — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:43:38 GMT

This is more evidence that the GOP is not interested in what is right for a majority of American's...they believe that they are the deciders. We either go along with them and THEIR neocon-ism or off to the concentration camps we go...

Vote for any of them, then kiss your family goodbye before they march you away to torture camp BUSH & Company...have a nice walk and don't let the gulag doors hit you on the way in.

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BD, Dallas, TX — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:52:29 GMT

Guiliani ALL THE WAY! If he could get us through 9/11, he can get us through anything. Furthermore, he helped clean up New York City, one of the toughest cities in the nation. Our country will go to sh** if Hillary wins. She's never run anything in her life, she wants to socialize healthcare--BAD idea--and her running our army will just demoralize our troops. I will consider leaving the country if she wins.

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Tom H., Los Angeles, CA — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:02:19 GMT

It's pathetic reading these posts. Have we, as a nation, become so short-sighted and single issue that we do not recognize the danger we're facing?

I'm not talking about what's going on with Iraq and Afghanistan. Our leadership in the global ecconomic world is slipping away day by day. The resources that we are wasting in Iraq is simply incredible. It's money that could be invested here at home to improve our competive edge in science, in education, and a whole lot more.

Could we get closer to solve our energy dependency with a trillion dollars in research and development? I believe so. Instead, with oil prices at record level we're actually putting more money into the coffers of these terrorists and their supporters.

This is a generational war and it requires a different tactict. Unfortunately the current administration is incapable of any rational intelligence. All they can do is wrap themselves in the American flag in public while undermining the very foundation that this great country of ours was founded on.

Please don't bother to rebut this observation with some patriotic B.S.. After six years of this trash I've heard them all and, slowly, the rest of America is starting to get tired with them too.

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chris, las vegas nv — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:22:30 GMT

Ron Paul is the biggest moron to ever run for president. He should not be calling himself a republican and he should not be onstage taking time away from candidates who actually have a chance to win. All the RP groupies need to chill out.

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Charles, Tokyo, Japan — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:10:57 GMT

A quick comment to those who argue against income taxes... read the text of Amendment 16 to the Constitution before declaring income taxes unconstitutional. In general, it appears that most of the Republican responses in this commentary are rather poorly researched. The sole exception is James Hines, but there is a fundamental mistake in declaring Social Security to be taxation without representation. Any citizen of the US over the age of 18 is entitled to vote, and should do so. Thus is representation provided for, despite the monarchist tendencies of the current administration. However, I would like to commend Mr. Hines on his lambasting of Fox News.

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Linda Takano, Guam — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:24:50 GMT

Reading through all the comments, it seems that the majority of people supporting Ron Paul are highly intelligent, and well informed individuals.

What surprises me that some still think of winning or losing the Iraq war as though it was a video game of "Halo". No thoughts are given to the endless spilling of blood of American soldiers and innocent women and children of Iraq.

If America continues on this road of placing missiles and bases all over the world in the name of security to appease their paranoia and fear, it will backfire and the earth is doomed.

Time has changed, we are supposedly more evolved as humans. Be proud as Americans, because we are generous, charitable, tolerant and kind, not because we have more powerful weapons that could beat up anybody on earth.

In my opinion, Ron Paul is a courages, intelligent, and evolved human being. America will prosper and have true liberty and peace under his leadership.

Please vote Ron Paul for president.

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Darryl Schmitz, St. Johns, MI — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:48:59 GMT

My fellow Ron Paul supporters, notice the increasing intensity of attacks on Dr. Paul, the increasing number of hatchet jobs like the NBC News' false "he wants to abolish Social Security" report last week or the Glenn Beck (CNN) cut-and-paste smear (complete with cirus big-top music) portrayal of Ron Paul.
the major media, minor media yellow journalists, and Republican Party powerbrokers are treating Ron Paul with the same arrogant disrespect as the British Crown treated our founding fathers, complete with the same demogoguery, taunts, and marginalization.
The reason?: Much to their dismay, the Ron Paul campaign is CATCHING ON. We the American public, thanks to the Internet, are not the easily misinformed and manipulated people we used to be, and that's upsetting to many in the political establishment.

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Howard Hoark — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:03:41 GMT

Why is it the Ron Paul supporters have the most intelligently written posts? Be intellectually honest and compare. Paul supports dont call names (like the NeoCons and Hillary supporters) but they do quote the constitution and use FACTS to support opinions. Ron Paul is hope for the future, a true American Revolution against the MSM and big goverment! End the War, lower my taxes, add real value to the dollar, GIVE ME LIBERTY -- Return the country to its historical and constitutional roots!

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john white, yuma, AZ — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:07:03 GMT

Reading through these comments gives me a great deal of comfort that our country is alive and strong and full of itself. Too often the media paints an aberrant picture of the US with a glib certainty as to what and who we are as a people. Well, we are all of what the media says we are, but we are also much, much more than the media will ever know. I love the religious right, the liberal left, the pragmatic centrists, the neocons, the libertarians, the socialists, and the just plain nutcases voicing their opinions in this comment section. I thank God everyday that I live in the US when I read commments like these. The biggest fear any of us should have is the day people in the US are afraid to have and voice their different opinions. I think Washington has forgotten that the vast majority of the people in the US are from immigrant stock who came to this country because they had genetic dispositions that opposed living under the status quo in the countries they came from--apples don't fall far from their trees. And right now the majority of the people in the US don't like the status quo. Surprise, surprise! That's just the kind of folks we are. So whoever takes office in January of 2009 better get ready; we will be watching you, and if we think you're out of touch, we will let you know and we won't mince words.

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Roman the Aggie, Rockford, IL — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:17:19 GMT

Gene,CA may be running in unpopular circles, but that doesn't mean some of his colleagues don't have a point.

If you insist on calling this struggle with terrorism a 'war', then we will either "WIN IT" or "LOSE IT" [and right now, no one believes we are winning it]. The U.S. has never had a shortage of brave young lives to throw into battle, but most of you were alive when incompetent, self-serving politicians donated (wasted) a lot of American blood to a lost cause and you may be witnessing the repeat of that again because we have an even greater lack of statesmen, independent journalists and critical thinking populace.

I'm going to assume that the majority doesn't want to "LOSE IT". This isn't sandbox football and if you just quit when you get tired, you lose. It really IS that simple. Only a fool would believe that those against us would see it any differently.

To "WIN IT", we have to do something different and this is where Gene's buddies may not be off the mark too far. [If you think this war is a clean, high tech, push button affair or if you spent your 'military duty' as a REMF defending Texas skies when you had some spare time between social engagements you might find this painful - but stick with me, please] Sadam Hussein wasn't THAT different from any of the Kings or dictators in the Arab world. When you're trying to keep a country functioning while 'warring factions' are readily willing to die to disrupt the peace - YOU HAVE TO HELP THEM! Help them die, that is. Trying to put this more delicately, we have EFFECTIVELY convince the neighborhood(s) that it is their best interest to find the guts to tell Ahab next door to take his party elsewhere [or deal with the full, unmitigated wrath of the U.S. Military].

These aren't Western cultures and we will never "WIN IT" if we keep trying to deal with them like they are American criminals. You have to take this enemy out of action quickly, completely and usually, brutally. (Small arms, light automatic weapons, RPGs, IEDs, mortars are ALL designed to influct fatal, soft tissue trauma. That's how these things work.)

Yes, Saddam was a bad man. A very bad man. (and don't think the Saudis are any better, we just prefer to kiss their camels for now). If he wasn't, what do you think Iraq would have been like before we launched our little 'adventure'? (hint - you can see the answer on the TV tonight)

Someone (hopefully, the U.S.) has to get control of the country. We broke it and leaving won't fix anything. Unless a people are willing to fight for their own Western-style freedom, you can't force it on them and YOU will perish trying. Until then, unquestionable, absolute and (sometimes) brutal authority may be the only workable solution.

Until a president selects a General that understands the cultural difference and lets him run this like a war that we MUST WIN, it is a waste of time, good will, money, and most importantly, American life.

Sadly, it may be a fight that will follow us home if we don't win it now.

All of the big problems at home would have been solved with the money we have spent on this misadventure, and we need to hold the right people accountable for this massive waste. But first, we have to 'WIN' this thing so we can address the other issues here. The candidate that can solve this problem will have a much easier time solving the others without the distraction.

Who can either party offer that doesn't have the ego or commercial debt to do what has to be done?

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Chris Mcdonell — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:35:43 GMT

Morons who think they know where the income tax goes should just stay away from the voting booth. The income tax is a scam put forth by the central bankers. It goes to thye national dept and the bankers at the Federal Reserve(a private bank)have Hillary and Bush deep in thier pockets. They love when the government goes to war and funds social programs because it creates dept. Social programs are COMMUNISM. If you don't know how to save you own money and you need the Gov to do it go to France. FDR waqsd controlled by central bankers/communists. It's just that you morons know jack about true history. all of it is unconstitutional; paper money, income tax, social programs, subsidies for big business, ect. I WILL FIGHT TO THE END FOR RON PAUL AND THE CONSTITUTION. THE REST OF YOU SCUMBAGS ARE NOT AMERICANS.

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steve dungy — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:08:28 GMT

Paul seems to be the only republican candidate who understands the intent of our constitutional founders. He is exactly correct in thinking non interventionism and federalism are consistent with the intent of the constitution and point the direction we need to head to correct US woes. I have had to switch to the Dems over the last 8 years to vote according to my conscience.
I would vote for Paul in a heartbeat over any Dem as he has the best grasp on the constitution. I see restoring out constitution as far and above our greatest priority.

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Mike Adam — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:21:30 GMT

Ron Paul is a saint. He is a 10 term congressman from Texas, a medical doctor who has delivered 4000 babies. He has been married to the same woman for 50 years. He returns a substantial portion of his congressional operating expences to the U.S. Treasury year after year. He does not miss congressional votes. He has never voted to increase taxes or expand government. His policy strictly adhers to the original U.S. Constitution. He has won many polls after political debates yet the media conglomerate shuns him and will not publish the results. He wants to bring our troops home NOW, not just from Iraq but from everywhere, 80 foreign countries have U.S. military presence and we wonder why we have terrorist attacks against us.
The media is dominated by 4 major groups that control virtually every thing we hear on the news, read in a book, hear on the radio or see in a movie. These people have been controlling us for generations and the average politician is at their beck and call, knowing to buck the system will result in political suicide. NOT RON PAUL! His support comes from everyday people who use the internet which at present is unregulated. Ron Paul has over 73,300 friends on myspace and that number is growing substantially as you read this.
Please, for the sake of America, for the sake of our children, for our OWN sake, please Google Ron Paul and hear his message. search youtube and you will find clips of him smacking down the competition and standing up for us, the back bone of America. WE ARE AMERICA AND WE NEED TO TAKE IT BACK FROM THE GLOBALISTS WHO ARE RUNNING IT INTO THE GROUND FOR SHORT TERM PROFIT!
RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT.
Register to vote now
If you do this it will be something you will be proud of. Put pride back in America.
I am just an average Joe, but I know when I am being bent over and taking it up the behind and Hilary will be no different, she will just strap on a big blue one. Clinton/Bush their is no difference, they are Globalists with absolutely no concerns for anyone but themselves and how much booty they can unload before the ship sinks.

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Mike Adam — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:24:34 GMT

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Bob Gibson, Denver, Colorado — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:37:56 GMT

Ron Paul: 2 + 2 = 4
Audience: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GET OFF THE STAGE

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:43:05 GMT

Jamie Moyer: Do you ever think about using manners when you respond to someone? That perhaps calling someone delusional is not appropriate?

That being said, simply because someone disagrees with you does not make them delusional. Point out for me where it says in the Constitution or elsewhere in federal law that Bush would have to bring the troops home if Congress cut the funding.

I'll save you the trouble. It's not there.

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H P Boston — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:51:50 GMT

MURRARY, why did you let this ED Feeney SF CA on the board. WAY WAY over the line.
Sent Mon 10/22 4:50 PM
I am going to rethink any more posting here, I can not believe the really scary people who live in the world! Frighting! SCREEN THEM!!!

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JMann — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:54:44 GMT

'common sense' dude idea of fixing social security is to get other people to pay for his retirement as opposed to investing a very small percentage of the money himself. 12% of your pay is taken from you every pay period. If you were forced to put that in a private retirement account starting with you first job (if common sense works) you will have well over a million dollars at age 65 and many would have much more than that. That is for the average wage earner not the wealthy. Dumbass' solution is just tax people that make more than him, that is if he works at all.

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H P Boston — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:10:30 GMT

Thank you Murray.

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Vince, Cape Coral, FL — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:14:53 GMT

Today, America is a combination of many forms of government; socialism (re-distribution of wealth), fascism (state and corporations working hand-in-hand), and democracy (free elections are allowed, except where they are rigged).

One thing we are not, is what we started as; a Constitutional Republic.

The founders of this country would be very proud of some things we've done since 1776 (abolition of slavery, women's rights, etc.), but they would also be ashamed of what we've done (taxing labor, central bank, ending civil liberties one at a time, the draft, the closeness of church and state, allowing socialism and fascism, etc.)

The way to keep what the founders would like about today's America, yet get rid of what is eating away at our Constitution like a maggot eating a rotting corpse, is to vote for Ron Paul and donate to his campaign.

Restore the Republic.

RonPaul2008.com

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Robert H, Houston, Texas — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:45:36 GMT

OHIO IS ALL THAT SAVED BUSH IN 2000 & 2004- NO REPUBLICAN COULD BE ELECTED DOG CATCHER THERE STATEWIDE AFTER THE TAFT SCANDALS! I agree that Rove is a political 'zen master' since he was able to get a retard in the White House. The biggest loser in the debate was Romney! Although McCain's campaign is dying and he can't win, he crushed Romney with the; 'Fooling people' line! It was the talk of all the political shows. Rudy will be the main factor in the religious right being torn apart at the polls! Do they support a guy just to beat Hillary- even though he married his 2nd cousin (later he lied and said he didn't know- which is hilarous), was thrown out of Gracie Mansion by Donna Hanover for infidelity and then married for a 3rd time- afte living witha GAY couple and saying he would marry them if it was legal- LMAO. Poor religious right!

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Dan A — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:46:28 GMT

--"No public education, no public health, replace the income tax with something that will cost the rich and large corporations even less !!
NO THANKS"--

No FEDERAL education
No FEDERAL health

Big difference. Let states and cities decide what they need. I have kids in public school and let me tell you: No Child Left Behind is hurting hurting schools.

And we won't need the income tax once the Federal Reserve masterscam is dismantled and we are no longer engaged in all kinds of global military adventures.

I'll take that over policies of global empire abroad and police state at home. Giuliani and Hillary are on the same team!

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Chuck, Iowa, Iowa — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:52:12 GMT

Why the hysteria about SS privatization? Who in their right mind under 40 or 50 would actually desire to have 13% of their income confiscated with some phoney promise to pay it back later? The wall street conspiracy stuff is just silly. Store your savings in your mattress if you want. I just don't want the government controlling my retirement.

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Andrew Mackenzie — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:11:19 GMT

Whats funny is that there are people who believe that the best way to stop Extremism by invading other countries and radicalizing multiple generations of young Middle Easterners against us, thus perpetuating this threat.

The republicans have staked their claim on this war, and will not change.

The democrats will oppose the elimination of the income tax because they think that if we allow EVERYONE (lower, middle, and upper class) to keep 100% of their paycheck, we are somehow only helping the rich.

And as this genius made clear, he is in favor of the income tax primarily because he has an anti-wealth agenda. The income tax was not created to "stick it" to the wealthy. It was created to fund our unnecessarily large government. Even then, it only accounts for 38% of government income. We are quite capable of reducing the size of government by 38%.

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"You said it, steve !!
The rest of Paul's 'program' leaves a lot to be desired !1
No public education, no public health, replace the income tax with something that will cost the rich and large corporations even less !!
NO THANKS"
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You clearly have no understanding of Ron Paul's positions, or of the nature of the income tax.

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Jack Kerry — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:22:15 GMT

I never watched a debate before till the other night.I was very impressed with Ron Paul.After more research into him.. WOW!!! Fianlly a candidate to actually vote for.. He is consistent and from what I seen is very honest and smart. He has gotten my vote and when my family hears about him,He has theirs also. Why doesn't the MSM tell the public about his record and his stances? He is awsome.

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stape — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:37:22 GMT

There's no need to turn over America's future to the greed mongers of Wall Street;the program simply needs
to be funded and kept solvent. Privitization is all about profit, just like everything else the GOP is involved in. They won't rest until the entire country (what's left of it now) is one big business venture. It's their one-and-only agenda. Period.

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Stape — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:53:41 GMT

It doesn't matter if "R.P." stands for "Ron Paul" or "Ross Perot"; it's a wasted vote any way you look at it. Democrats beware!! Let Ralph Nader be a lesson to you, as well.

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Jeff S. — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:54:58 GMT

My belief is that most of the boos were from about a small number of people (say, 20) in the audience who had in advance planned to loudly boo Ron Paul.

My belief is that most of those who booed loudly, or who started the booing, were either paid supporters of Paul's opponents, or working for free for their campaigns.

This is an old trick dating back centuries, where someone competing against another in either politics or entertainment, stacked the audience with vocal people to sway others' public opinion. This was a stacked audience.

Ron Paul packs biggers crowds at in-person rallies than all the other GOP candidates added together. His rallies in Nashville and U. of Michagan have garnered crowds of 1500 to 2000+.

Ron Paul is a serious contender and the pro-war campaigns are resorting to stacking the crowds with people to boo on cue.

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JJ — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:04:36 GMT

Guess what, all you war supporter? We already WON the Iraq War. The goal was:
1) Topple Saddam Hussein: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
2) Make sure there were no WMD's: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

Those were the two justifications for going to war. They have both been accomplished.
We have WON the war!

Now, since we have achieved victory, let's simply admit it to ourselves: WE WON!

Now let's go home. There is no excuse occupying other countries for years. Empire building and nation building through prolonged bloody occupations of foreign countries has not been authorized by Congress, is unconstitutional, and is against all of what the founding fathers and the values America have stood for.

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Dave, Seattle, WA — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:30:50 GMT

To a man, the founding fathers would have rejected American interventionism abroad and socialism at home. Quotes from the era are volumnous and clear. There are NONE that say we should police the world or take the fruits of Americans' labor by force to give it to someone else.

If you want a country that polices the world, and steals from its citizens to sqander trillions, then what you want is not America.

Another misrepresentation about Ron Paul is that he's for the corporations running wild. If that were true, why do no huge corporations support him? Go to www.opensecrets.org and see who's getting the corporate cash. Clinton, Giuliani, Obama, McCain, etc. Why? Because modern Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same corporate coin.

Ron Paul is small businesses best friend, and the mega-corporations' worst nightmare.

I think I can make a pretty sound assumption that most people who make ad hominem attacks on Ron Paul have never really researched his positions. They choose sloganeering over substance.

Nobody sells Ron Paul like Ron Paul. He is a brilliant, prolific writer and a true patriot. Go to www.ronpaullibrary.com and read what he says for yourself. Read why he warned in 1998 that Clinton's regime change policy in Iraq would lead to war. Read in 2002 where he said Iraq would not be a cakewalk, but a quagmire, costing American lives and treasue. Read what he actually says about Social Security and health care. Then come back and comment again.

Most reasonable people, when exposed to the real Ron Paul, think, "Wow. Where has this guy been all my life?" That's why the Revolution grows exponentially by the day.

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Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:00:10 GMT

Dave Seattle said: "To a man, the founding fathers would have rejected American interventionism abroad and socialism at home. Quotes from the era are volumnous and clear. There are NONE that say we should police the world or take the fruits of Americans' labor by force to give it to someone else."

In actuality the first war the US fought after the Revolution began in 1801 when Muslims cut down an American flagpole in Morocco. Our second president, Thomas Jefferson, sent the Navy and Marines to intervene, and in the process put an end to the Islamic practice of pirating ships and taking hostages for ransom, and generally preying on international trade. It’s immortalized in the second line of the Marine Corps Hymn: “To the shores of Tripoli”.

The rest of your post is pretty good. In fact, some of Ron Paul’s policies might bring our manufacturing base back from the cheap foreign labor market. But what I find ironic in American Labor is the blind notion that an American’s labor is worth so much more than, say a Chinaman’s labor, to do the same work.. It’s like, if I work for a company that builds computers but I won’t buy the ones I build because I can buy one like it made in China for a lot less.

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Dave — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:00:34 GMT

I was really referring to discourse around the time of the constitution (circa 1787) when referring to the founders. Nevertheless, H, you have a valid point.

In 1801 new President Thomas Jefferson sent U.S. forces to fight off the Barbary pirates and protect U.S. interests in the Mediterranian. Over the next two years the situation devolved and the U.S. was in it up to the knees. Jefferson did not ask in 1801 for a declaration of war, and it could be argued that he should have, and certainly in 1803, but at no time did he, according to Hitchens, "seek to impose a regime change or an occupation of the Barbary States."

Arguably the president has the right and authority to act swiftly to protect American lives and treasure. But that should not stop him from promptly doing his constitutional duty. When the situation deteriorated, should Jefferson have asked for a declaration of war? Yes, according to Article 1 Section 8 of the constitution.

Jefferson violated the constitution, and there was substantial oppostition to this by the Federalists and by the press. I contend they were correct in pointing to his hypocricy.

Jefferson was a man of many contradictions. He owned slaves and also made other constitutionally questionble moves like the Louisiana purchase. Just because he was the great Thomas Jefferson does not mean everything he did was right. In this case, in fact, he set a dangerous precedent.

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Jean,Chester, Nebr — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:25:30 GMT

George Herbert Walker Bush, Bill and Hillary Clinton, and George W. (Duh) Bush are all the same. If you vote for Hillary, you may just as well keep the same bunch of scumbags in there that are there now because their policys are all the same which is totalitarianism, Nazi/Communist style. Every election the party out of power offers change as the reason they should be elected then once elected you get the same old garbage. This is the first election cycle where a GOOD candidate has offered a true and honest change and has a voting record to prove that it isn't just election cycle rhetoric. Ron Paul would be a wonderful president and any who would vote for the obviously braindead/no clue competition are either paid anti Paul people or naturally of low I Q. I do believe it is a mix of both. As for me and all my friends and relatives, we are going to VOTE FOR RON PAUL>

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Ray, mobile — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:20:49 GMT

Some votes,such as cutting funds for the war has to have a two thirds majority to pass.

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Ray, Houston, Texas — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:50:20 GMT

"It is amazing how so many Americans want to bury their heads in the sand and pretend that there is not a threat from Islamic Extremist.
David James, Victoria, TX."

It is you who has their head in the sand. Your statments are mere fear-mongering. Stand up and be a Texan.

If you think Islamic Extremists are something to fear, why don't you try a unitarian form of government where all your freedoms are revoked, you can be imprisoned without charges indefinitely, you can be tortured, you have no right to privacy, etc, etc. Ask some legal immigrants what they were running away from to get into our country.

To deny that our government has seized on the opportunity 9/11 provided to chip away at our liberties through mass-media mind-control (say "terror" a few hundred-thousand times) is only a demonstration of how-feeble minded most of us really are. Snap out of it. Don't sacrifice your liberties for "safety". Ask yourself what you are "safe" from.

Better to die on my feet, than live on my knees. I think we're in a somewhat similar predicament the founding fathers were in when they declared independence from the crown. We still have an electoral process that we can leverage to effect change. Eventually, it will be far more difficult and cost the blood of patriots and tyrants alike, to regain our liberty. Make no mistake. Our right to keep and bear arms is the ONLY thing that allows us to cling to our ever eroding liberties. When they come for our arms, it will be over.

Besides anything else, knowing that anything can happen at anytime to snuff out each of our insignificant beings, let's us know just how important it is for us to live as a free people and not take everything for granted. It also keeps life from being a mundane ritual. ;)

Ron Paul shouldn't be viewed as a politician. He is truly the only statesman of our time.

“If you love wealth better than Liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of Freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you. And May Posterity Forget That You Were Our Countrymen.”
--Samuel Adams August 1, 1776.

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Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:35:31 GMT

Dave,
I don’t mean to be argumentative, but I truly believe Jefferson had a fairly firm grip on the powers the Constitution conferred on the president, having helped draft if himself. Then, beyond the Constitution, there is also the “legislative background” that was instrumental in getting it ratified. That legislative background is generally referred to as the Federalist Papers. Those papers were written by several members of the Constitutional Convention as answers to the many questions that came up within the different state bodies during the ratification process.
I think, in Federalist 24, there is considerable discussion regarding the need, and possible use of (or the lack of need and lack of any cogent mission), for a standing army and navy. In particular, encroachment onto Americans by subjects of foreign powers is discussed at length. At the time, 1801-1810, although the Constitution had been the law of the land since 1789, it held the “United States” together as if it were a mere treaty between them and not much more. The states had Spanish, French, and British neighbors on their north, south and west. Not to mention the native American population interspersed throughout and surrounding them which from time to time could be anything but peaceful neighbors. They had no navy of any consequence, and were concerned for their ability to govern themselves effectively. Rightly so, since none of them had ever governed an entire people before.
In particular it was, and I think still is, understood that when any nation is attacked, or has war declared against it, the head of state of the injured nation has a singular duty to conduct acts of war as a matter of defense. In Jefferson’s eyes, the taking of American merchant ships, goods and sailors on the high seas, then holding them for ransom, plus cutting down the flagpole because payment was denied, were acts of war and that he had a narrow duty under the Constitution to act as he did. Take note that once he obtained the degree of satisfaction he sought, (freed ships, sailors and goods, and a promise for freedom of movement in the future), he did not pursue a broader objective.
Nor was there a nation to declare war against. The entire Mediterranean coast of Africa was part of the Ottoman Empire, which wasn’t involved in the acts of piracy. We have a very similar situation in the Middle East today. The people who have declared war on us have no allegiance to any state power, and it is certain that no state power has ever claimed them as subjects.
Not to broaden this discussion into a correspondent’s nightmare, I think one point needs to be made about declarations of war. The United States has been involved in many conflicts during the last 230 or so years, but there have been only 5 formal declarations of war by the Congress. And in all that time, and in all those wars the Congress has appropriated the necessary monies to carry the fights to whatever enemies were involved. The only occasion the Congress has ever reneged was in the 1974 budget considerations for fiscal 1975 when they cut off funding to Vietnam war. No American combat troops were there at the time, but the withholding of funds, equipment, spare parts, ammunition and supplies from the South Vietnamese was their death knell. I think, as do many others who are a lot smarter than me about such things, that if we relieve the pressure on the Islamic radicals in the Middle East, so will our allies, and when that happens it will only be a matter of time before we begin payment schedule here at home that will to make 9/11 look like a walk in the park.
And please don’t categorize me as a war monger. Instead I consider myself to be a realist. There are people among them who believe so deeply in what they are doing that they will wait half a lifetime if they can be assured of their place in martyrdom by killing Americans on American soil. The decibel level in many voices is being raised as they make noises about “negotiations”. I would ask is there anyone who thinks there is a plausible way to negotiate peaceful co-existence with someone whose only purpose in life is to live for that day. I have nothing against negotiations. But let’s do it on somebody else’s real estate, not mine, , , or yours, I’m sure.
H

The GOP's general election problem

Genius By Accident, Tennessee, Stop by, have dinner, we'll argue for fun! — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:44:47 GMT

Hi All, Everyone seems really ticked here. This is a good example of why Dr. Paul is the best choice. All Americans could live in harmony if we had more powerful states and a less powerful Fed. If libs are happy in Cali., great. If cons(funny) are happy in Tennessee, great. If everything is centralized, we have no sanctuary from the things we will never agree on. We all agree that we love this country. And we prob agree that we are too much into each others business. Dr. Paul wants to return the freedom to the states...to the citizens. Its easier to hold accountable those who are closer to us. Libs-do u really want another pres like Bush? Cons-Do u really want another pres like Clinton? If this isn't the answer then what would allow us to live together in peace? Annihilation of those who disagree? That hasn't worked for the last what...150 years?...since the states really began to lose self-rule? If u answer dif.ly then I can only assume ur a power mad lib or a power mad con. Either way ur power mad and I'm doubtful any of us will live in peace. If what u do doesn't hurt me, then its NOT my business. And vice versa. Either way, take care, enjoy today, we'll all be a distant memory and our gr8 grandkids will be arguing just like us...unless we hand down a better model of unity than what we're doing now.

The GOP's general election problem

Jennifer, Trenton, NJ — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:12:11 GMT

This just shows me how Fox News has continually miseducated their audience during the length of this administration. Also, when their audience is hand picked, and Ron Paul is denied tickets for his supporters (RP even says so in his Hannity interview)of course they are going to stack the audience with people that support their news network's twisted vision of the administration. I am no conspiracy theorist, but Fox News has no credible journalism skills, either. It just cracks me up that the audience booed a statistic of 70% of Americans disapproving of the war. It wasnt an opinion, it was TRUTH... They are so used to the Fox Brainrot "news". America's waking up, though! Big Money Republicans wouldn't stack the deck if they weren't afraid of losing, right?

The GOP's general election problem

Wellington, FL — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:26:20 GMT

Only Ron Paul can save this country from THE NEW WORLD ORDER! Do your homework people. We are in big trouble and will soon have no rights left in this country.