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Ravine Force, Kissimmee, FL — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:18:43 GMT

Is there anything that Ms. Rice has achieved since she took over? I don't seem to recall any successes in diplomacy by her. Does anyone know of any?

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:28:34 GMT

Considering that Iran has already laughed at everything we do and the Allies do, in the end; it probably will take some kind of military action to stop the Iranians nuclear ambitions.

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Brian, Cedar Hill, TX — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:32:47 GMT

If that idiot-in-chief is so damned determined to start war with Iran, let him ride the first bomb down.

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Jim B., Towanda, PA — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:37:24 GMT

Dear Peacenics it's called Carrot and stick diplomacy. Iran has been given the carrots for three years and given nothing back. Now it's time to wave the stick for awhile and see what happens. If that doesn't work you tap them on the hit with it a few times, and finally give them a big whack if the tapping doesn't work. Diplomacy 101 for those who have forgotten and just like to bury their heads in the sand and hope for the best. So wait to see what happens before you start crying "The sky is falling."

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mikeeg,abdn,wa — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:41:22 GMT

I saw the clip of cheney falling a sleep at a cabinet meeting while chicken little(boy george bush) was talking about iran, it made me wonder if boy george aka chicken little went and made a decision on his own, at any rate cheney was fast asleep and did not have a clue as to what was going on(nothing new there really). reagun fell asleep at meetings and now cheney falls asleep at meetings and chicken little is always asleep, so my question is who is running the country, its no wonder things are so screwed up?

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Jessica, Wisconsin — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:41:41 GMT

Senator Clinton continues to tout insignificant popularity polls as a sign of strength in a campaign that is more about the triangulation and divisiveness of the past than the future of America.

While Senator Clinton may be popular among Democrats, her astronomically high negatives nationwide, due in part to her huge 'baggage' and the kind of politics she's been associated with since the 90s, is a significant electability concern for Democrats who badly want to win in 2008.

Every time Americans think about the casualties of the Iraq war and the heavy price America is paying, they should remember that Senator Clinton wholeheartedly gave George Bush the authority to wage that war. The Iraq war is Hillary Clinton's war too. She can try to hide from it, but she can't run away from it.

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Steve A Jonesboro IN — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:42:39 GMT

Diplomatic strategy pressed by rice inefective?? Does any world leader take this whining yapping lapdog seriously? I doubt it.

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Dot, Illlinois — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:52:21 GMT

I think it would have been better to have assembled a coalition of countries to invoke joint sanctions against Iran. I don't know how effect these sanctions can be without that effort from other major countries. We are, essentially, going it alone in Iraq and that's not going so well. I also think that at some point Russia will play a very prominent role in dealing with Iran so perhaps we need to try to mend our relationship with Putin to see if some common ground might be found.

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MK,MO — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:56:32 GMT

obama and hillary are both owned by the corporate war machine, vote for someone willing to take on big business and do what's best for all, edwards

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Joe Ellington — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:06:55 GMT

-- obama and hillary are both owned by the corporate war machine, vote for someone willing to take on big business and do what's best for all, edwards --

You think posting this crap on every article is going to convince people?

Edwards is history. Find another candidate.

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Gary, Franklin, WI — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:09:23 GMT

The Bush administration has learned nothing in seven years about how to mold a successful foreign and defense policy! Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, like Colin Powell before her, has been "window dressing" for the neocons who only seem to back unilateralism. Increasingly, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates appears marginalized as well. The neocon drumbeat towards confrontation with Iran continues unabated, with the President talking about World War Three and mushroom clouds.

How can Rice say she will meet with her Iranian counterpart "anywhere, anytime" at the same time the U.S. imposes new sanctions? This neocon doctrine has failed each time this contorted logic is applied. Perhaps the scariest thing of all is that Vice President Cheney may be the only person in this administration capable of performing a "Clark Clifford" type of with this President. Of course, unlike Clark Clifford in the Johnson administration, Cheney is nuts!

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Amy B Portland ME — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:15:32 GMT

I can't watch video on MSNBC anymore. I don't know why and the site has so far not responded to my emails. I can watch videos on CBS, ABC, CNN and YouTube, but not MSNBC. Bums me out.

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James — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:17:13 GMT

Hillary Clinton in that memo in which her campaign says that Obama voted for a bill similar to the Kyl-Lieberman Amendment is called the S1430 Iran Sanctions Enabling Act in March 2007. She was right that Obama was the the main sponsor of this bill.This was a binding act and not the non-binding bill Clinton voted for recently. Both bills designate Iran as a terrorist organization so Obama does agree with her in that regard. His argument is the language between the two amendments. In the Iran Sanctions Enabling Act, the language talks about diplomacy and detailed economic sanctions against Iran. In the Kyl-Leiberman bill, it contained at least six statements about military action. The biggest difference in both bills is the most important one and this is what concerns me most about the Kyl-Leiberman bill. The bill the Clinton voted on does not the language that says the U.S. does authorize the president to go to war with Iran or a similar language in the bill.

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todd p, fort mill, SC — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:24:45 GMT

Hey Jim B. can you tell me what "carrots" we have offered to Iran? Diplomacy to the Bushies is do what we tell you without us offering you anything in return, or we will attack you. Why is it that Iran offered to have talks about this years ago and Bush said no ? Because they are not interested in diplomacy at all, just war for oil.

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Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:25:53 GMT

"...United States and its' Allies." Allies? What Allies? Don't tell me Dubya talked Lichtenstein into going along with this.

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Gary, Franklin, WI — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:34:56 GMT

The Bush administration has learned nothing in seven years about how to mold a successful foreign and defense policy! Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, like Colin Powell before her, has been "window dressing" for the neocons who only seem to back unilateralism. Increasingly, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates appears marginalized as well. The neocon drumbeat towards confrontation with Iran continues unabated, with the President talking about World War Three and mushroom clouds.

How can Rice say she will meet with her Iranian counterpart "anywhere, anytime" at the same time the U.S. imposes new sanctions? This neocon doctrine has failed each time this contorted logic is applied. Perhaps the scariest thing of all is that Vice President Cheney may be the only person in this administration capable of performing a "Clark Clifford" type of role with this President, telling him what he does not want to hear. Of course, unlike Clark Clifford in the Johnson administration, Cheney is nuts! (P.S. Sorry the original post missed a few words.)

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Brian Tacoma WA — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:41:20 GMT

It's all talk with Cheney and Bush. Their primary loyalty still lies with big oil and if demand goes down because the price of a barrel doubles and nobody can afford gas, it won't be good for the several 'suit and tie guys' who butter their bread.

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Pacheck, Huntington Beach, Ca. — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:41:39 GMT

Why send Condoleezza? She has absolutly no credentials in accomplishments. She comes off as weak and unaccomplished. Blitzkrieg is what we need. Send in the legions. Cut the Luftwaffe loose and bomb Iran into heaven. bush has taken us to this moment.

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Tim M, Ithaca, NY — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:43 GMT

Its unbelievable that many of the Democrats in Congress can't see the blatantly obvious: Bush is going to attack Iran before he leaves office and it will be a fiasco 100 times bigger then Iraq. The Democrats in Congress are inexplicably doing absolutely nothing to stop this, with many following the administration just like they did before the war with Iraq. Congress should be asking serious questions like how does Bush plan to pay for this war? Where does Bush plan on getting the necessary troops to fight this war? Is there any plan for winning this war or are we just going to bomb the hell out of them and then magically turn Iran into a budding democracy? This is the beginning of the end of America as we know it. Bush will get his war, declare himself president until the "War on Terror" is over and ruin everything this country was built on. And all the while, Congress will do nothing.

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Brian Tacoma WA — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:44:23 GMT

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pat huntington ny — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:44:34 GMT

Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa (Sent Friday, October 26, 2007 10:25 AM)...LOL!!! Loved that post. The coalition of the willing indeed.

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Brian Tacoma WA — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:48:47 GMT

I say we send Cheney to Iran and tell him it's DUCK SEASON (he'll stay awake for that).

Iran wouldn't have a chance!!

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jcc — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:50:28 GMT

I watched the video, and again I hear "Ahmadinejad has stated that he wants to wipe Israel off the map". There is some controversy over whether or not that is what he actually said. Here is one of many links you can find if you are curious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#.22Wiped_off_the_page_of_time.22_translation

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TEC-Spring-TX — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:50:38 GMT

What is all of the press releases and statements from Bush about? Surely we could send discreet messages to Iran if we just wanted to wave the stick. Bush is not speaking to Iran he is speaking to Americans. Every time he makes a statement lately oil prices reach a new record. Each new publicly announced threat is meant to lead the public to a certain mind set. It is to program the America mind to accept war with Iran and see no other outlet to prevent a Nuclear Iran. Just like we could not let Iraq obtain nuclear weapons. Iran may pose a real threat of obtaining weapons of mass destruction, but with the past history of our intelligence on Iraq, we may never know the real truth.

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Mike Abbott, Detroit, MI — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:10:39 GMT

Look, this administration has been trying to start this war for years. After 9/11, the Iranians offered us a lot, relatively speaking, and got nothing in return. They cooperated & assisted us with information and logistics on Al Qaeda and were strongly hinting an direct dialogue. Instead, this genius decides to label them as part of the Axis of Evil because of strong lobbying from AIPAC. It's a sad day when I trust people like Putin more than I do my own president. This administration wants to go to war on a mere conjecture. They are disappointed when the IAEA makes progess with Iran. I would like to see the IAEA come & inspect our nuclear sites. It would only make sense to me because this administration & they supporters seem to be the aggressors.

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Brian, Cedar Hill, TX — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:12:04 GMT

Yes mikeeg, and as Cheney slept, he was happily dreaming of puffy little sheep joyously hopping over a fence into the arms of Bush/Cheney supporters, slitting their throats, drinking their blood and throwing them into a meat grinder to be pressed for oil and to feed on the dead.

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Junior, DC — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:21:20 GMT

So how do we decide what countries get to have nukes?

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Artie G, Little Falls NY — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:23:36 GMT

Amy B Portland ME - I can't watch video on MSNBC anymore. I don't know why and the site has so far not responded to my emails. I can watch videos on CBS, ABC, CNN and YouTube, but not MSNBC. Bums me out.

Two things to try:

1) Open your eyes

2) Complain to Hillary. By the end of the day she'll have a billion dollar government program that can help you.

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MK,MO — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:25:06 GMT

Joe Ellington / "-- obama and hillary are both owned by the corporate war machine, vote for someone willing to take on big business and do what's best for all, edwards --

You think posting this crap on every article is going to convince people?

Edwards is history. Find another candidate."

obama and hillary are both owned by the corporate war machine, vote for someone willing to take on big business and do what's best for all, edwards

just trying to add some factual crap to this fantasy land, thanks for your support

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Lee in CA — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:32:23 GMT

" Diplomacy 101 for those who have forgotten and just like to bury their heads in the sand and hope for the best. So wait to see what happens before you start crying "The sky is falling."

Oh! Like Iraq! Thanks, Snoozy!

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Lee in CA — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:36:11 GMT

We could devastate Iran with a massive, old fashioned calary charge if the horses' asses in BushCo (and their associates) could find heads to pair up with.

Kindalousy Rice - the perfect Sec. of State for the demented monkey president.

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Mike Abbott — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:38:26 GMT

So how do we decide what countries get to have nukes?
Junior, DC (Sent Friday, October 26, 2007 11:21 AM)

I think the IAEA should force all countries to dismantle their nuclear programs. Since however they do not have any jurisdiction over the major powers, it poses a problem. Who knows?

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bawkbawkbawk — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:38:31 GMT

That's a might roar, chicken hawks. Who's going to die for it?

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John B, Des Moines, IA — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:44:37 GMT

Iran has approached us many times through the GWB administration and even provided us with prewar intelligence before the invasion of Afghanistan. Each time they've been rebuffed by the White House. Now we're building a big, new superbase along the Iran/Iraq border. How obvious does it have to be that the neocons don't WANT diplomacy to work?

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GAB,Austin, TX — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:45:40 GMT

I came across this article in an old New Yorker magazine from January 24, 2005. Kind of says it all about Iran, seems like they are right on target..

“This is a war against terrorism, and Iraq is just one campaign. The Bush Administration is looking at this as a huge war zone,” the former high-level intelligence official told me. “Next, we’re going to have the Iranian campaign. We’ve declared war and the bad guys, wherever they are, are the enemy. This is the last hurrah—we’ve got four years, and want to come out of this saying we won the war on terrorism.”

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/01/24/050124fa_fact

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Terry, Disabled Vet, Des Moines, IA — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:49:40 GMT

All this talk about Nuke em and crap reminds me of the USSR and they bomb us then we bomb them. Why don't we just bomb the living hell out everything then we won't have a place viable to live if that's what you want.

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GAB, Austin, TX — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:52:59 GMT

...and this from 9/17/2007

Bush setting America up for war with Iran
By Philip Sherwell in New York and Tim Shipman in Washington
Last Updated: 2:29am BST 17/09/2007

Senior American intelligence and defence officials believe that President George W Bush and his inner circle are taking steps to place America on the path to war with Iran, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt.

Pentagon planners have developed a list of up to 2,000 bombing targets in Iran, amid growing fears among serving officers that diplomatic efforts to slow Iran's nuclear weapons programme are doomed to fail.

Pentagon and CIA officers say they believe that the White House has begun a carefully calibrated programme of escalation that could lead to a military showdown with Iran.

Now it has emerged that Condoleezza Rice, the secretary of state, who has been pushing for a diplomatic solution, is prepared to settle her differences with Vice-President Dick Cheney and sanction military action.

In a chilling scenario of how war might come, a senior intelligence officer warned that public denunciation of Iranian meddling in Iraq - arming and training militants - would lead to cross border raids on Iranian training camps and bomb factories.

A prime target would be the Fajr base run by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Quds Force in southern Iran, where Western intelligence agencies say armour-piercing projectiles used against British and US troops are manufactured.

Under the theory - which is gaining credence in Washington security circles - US action would provoke a major Iranian response, perhaps in the form of moves to cut off Gulf oil supplies, providing a trigger for air strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities and even its armed forces.

Senior officials believe Mr Bush's inner circle has decided he does not want to leave office without first ensuring that Iran is not capable of developing a nuclear weapon.

The intelligence source said: "No one outside that tight circle knows what is going to happen." But he said that within the CIA "many if not most officials believe that diplomacy is failing" and that "top Pentagon brass believes the same".

He said: "A strike will probably follow a gradual escalation. Over the next few weeks and months the US will build tensions and evidence around Iranian activities in Iraq."

Possible flash points: Click to enlarge
Previously, accusations that Mr Bush was set on war with Iran have come almost entirely from his critics.

Many senior operatives within the CIA are highly critical of Mr Bush's handling of the Iraq war, though they themselves are considered ineffective and unreliable by hardliners close to Mr Cheney.

The vice president is said to advocate the use of bunker-busting tactical nuclear weapons against Iran's nuclear sites. His allies dispute this, but Mr Cheney is understood to be lobbying for air strikes if sites can be identified where Revolutionary Guard units are training Shia militias.

Recent developments over Iraq appear to fit with the pattern of escalation predicted by Pentagon officials.

Gen David Petraeus, Mr Bush's senior Iraq commander, denounced the Iranian "proxy war" in Iraq last week as he built support in Washington for the US military surge in Baghdad.

The US also announced the creation of a new base near the Iraqi border town of Badra, the first of what could be several locations to tackle the smuggling of weapons from Iran.

A State Department source familiar with White House discussions said that Miss Rice, under pressure from senior counter-proliferation officials to acknowledge that military action may be necessary, is now working with Mr Cheney to find a way to reconcile their positions and present a united front to the President.

The source said: "When you go down there and see the body language, you can see that Cheney is still The Man. Condi pushed for diplomacy but she is no dove. If it becomes necessary she will be on board.

"Both of them are very close to the president, and where they differ they are working together to find a way to present a position they can both live with."

The official contrasted the efforts of the secretary of state to work with the vice-president with the "open warfare between Colin Powell and Donald Rumsfeld before the Iraq war".

Miss Rice's bottom line is that if the administration is to go to war again it must build the case over a period of months and win sufficient support on Capitol Hill.

The Sunday Telegraph has been told that Mr Bush has privately promised her that he would consult "meaningfully" with Congressional leaders of both parties before any military action against Iran on the understanding that Miss Rice would resign if this did not happen.

The intelligence officer said that the US military has "two major contingency plans" for air strikes on Iran.

"One is to bomb only the nuclear facilities. The second option is for a much bigger strike that would - over two or three days - hit all of the significant military sites as well. This plan involves more than 2,000 targets."

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john Lynn — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:54:07 GMT

Rice will go down in history as the most incapable sec of state we ever had. What has she ever achieved for us. She has no clue. The Russian are back at the arm race, Europeans are detached, Iran now rules Middle east, we have lost credibility and American lives ,money. We have managed to kill thousands of people, children seperated families. we are the most hated nation within 1.0 billion muslim and asian countries

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John, abudhabi — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:01:41 GMT

During cold war, there was a real threat against U.S., just compare it with Iran. They had already atomic bomb, they had already ballistic missiles targeted to U.S., now compare strategies of president Reagan with J.W. Bush. I wonder if he was the president at the time, what he want to do?

The fact is that, president Reagan made decision based of America's National Interest, but Bush administration makes decision based on his feelings and also lobby groups interests.

I am wondering maybe Saudi Arabia is behind these decisions. They are the number one in oil production. I think they made a contract with Bush and Chenny to invade Iraq and they are paying for that. I also believe that Israel is the main benefiter.

Somebody must stop this administration right now. They are mad, they are looser, they are trying to hide their mess in Iraq. They have no authority to make such a big decisions anymore. America need a referandom about the Iraq war and also an early election for president. Wake up America, don't allow other countries spend your taxes any more. Why education still is not free in U.S. after these golden years? Why most part of your national treasure must be spend in military actions?

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Amy B Portland ME — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:25:31 GMT

Artie G, Little Falls NY

Thanks for the big ole' cup of hate. You should fit right in on First Read.

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Yonon Somar, Exton , PA — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:48:16 GMT

With the continued support of Iran to Hezbollah, Hamas & Islamic Jihad, there is no peaceful solution. Surgical strike and knocking down iran nuclear facilities is the only practical solution for the Mullahs to realize that US means what the world wants. Why wait for the Mullah to have nuclear weapon before they negotiate? AS of now they have not develop yet a nuclear weapon but already creating instability. Why wait?

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nuanced — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:53:01 GMT

"the diplomatic strategy pressed most vigorously by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has been ineffective"

-- I thought I followed the news very closely yet I completely missed all the reporting on her vigorous diplomacy with Iran. Is this a complete fabrication or is there actually photos of her shaking hands with Iranian leaders and sitting down at a negotiating table with them, putting forth reasonable proposals, listening and responding to their concerns, give and take, etc.? Can anybody tell me what this "vigorous" effort consisted of?

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Coy Reese, Shady Spring, West Virginia — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:08:25 GMT

George W. Bush has the diplomatic skills of a doorknob. The sabre rattling is so much hot air that makes us look foolish, no only to the Iranian government, the other governments in the Middle East, and finally to the world at large. The case for war with Iran has not been made. Our Nation has been taken into one massive military blunder based on lies, deceit, dishonor and disinformation. It will not happen again. Playing the fear card, will not work for the apparently treasonous George W. Bush and his corrupt Vice President.

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Lee in CA — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:13:54 GMT

"the diplomatic strategy pressed most vigorously by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has been ineffective"

yah - when EXACTLY was this?

If these blood-starved parasite chicken hawks would make some actual attempt at diplomacy instead of just giving it lip service on their headlong rush to war it would be different. But they don't.

(I meant "cavalry charge.")

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R.Merrell — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:15:25 GMT

It's obvious Bush and everyone in his Administrtion has nothing on their minds but war, war, war. They have no other agenda, no ideas, no diplomacy, no understanding of international relations other than to bully those (including U.S. citizens) who disagree with them. They think they are protecting the world but are, in fact, endangering the world. There is nothing "conservative' about this President or any of his supporters. They do not believe in democracy or open government. They rely on fear and bellicose statements to further their narrow, right wing agenda. This is the most dangerous Administration the U.S., and the world, has ever had to endure. Conservatives who support this President and this Administration should be ashamed for he (Bush) will surely do anything he can to take this country into yet another ill-conceived conflict in a heartbeat. And then he will skip off to Texas with nothing but his trademark smirk on his face. Jan 1, 2009 cannot come too soon. Lets just hope we all survive.

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Houston — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:26:40 GMT

mikeeg [[I saw the clip of cheney falling a sleep at a cabinet meeting while chicken little(boy george bush) was talking about iran,]]

Actually, it was an emergency meeting about the fires in California -- a boring domestic issue. If the meeting had been about bombing Iran, Cheney would have not only stayed awake, he would have been bouncing up and down in his chair and trembling with excitement.

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Gary, Franklin, WI — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:31:04 GMT

From: Bush setting America up for war with Iran
By Philip Sherwell in New York and Tim Shipman in Washington

Quote:

Senior officials believe Mr Bush's inner circle has decided he does not want to leave office without first ensuring that Iran is not capable of developing a nuclear weapon.

"No one outside that tight circle knows what is going to happen."

Unquote.

I would add, no one inside the Bush inner circle knows what is going to happen either! That was the problem with Iraq; no plan, no exit strategy, no accountability.

The problem with the notion of bombing Iranian nuclear facilities is that it is only a delaying tactic - nothing more, nothing less. Since the danger (if any) is not immediate, Bush/Cheney should leave it to the next administration. The neocons f***ed up Iraq, we don't need a repeat performance.

The push to do this is evidence of Dubya's fear of the U.S. electorate. Don't be surprized when "blue states" are added to the target list before November 2008. This "war on terror" has become an assault on reason.

By the way Dubya, how are you doing in trying to locate Osama bin Laden?

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Houston — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:41:16 GMT

It looks like Cheney/Bush have passed the point of no return: they want to start a new war with Iran no matter what. See this article:

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Request_to_fit_B2_bombers_with_1025.html

The Bushies say they need 88 million dollars to modify B2 Stealth bombers to carry bunker buster bombs because there's "an urgent operational need from theater commanders." The only place where it would be necessary to use Stealth bombers to carry the bunker busters is Iran.

Unless the Democratic "leadership" grows a spine soon, the war will start sometime between January and the 2008 election. Neither Clinton nor Obama have shown any leadershi[p on this. Clinton voted for the insane resolution to declare part of Iran's military to be a terrorist organizaton, which is close to a declaration of war. Obama didn't even bother to show up for the vote. It looks like there's going to be another calamity worse than Iraq.

Yeats poem could have been written about the political situation in the United States today about the "passionate intensity" of the extremists running our government and the Democrats, "lack all conviction:," too fearful to be an effective opposition:

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Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of "Spiritus Mundi"
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

-- William Butler Yeats, "The Second Coming"

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E Philipp — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:49:32 GMT

it really is deja vu all over again--haven't we run up enough debt yet? Does Bush have to totally destroy our economy before he 'finally' leaves? What scares me even more is that all the major candidates are right there with him (excluding Ron Paul, as a lone voice for reason) It is time to Wake Up America---if we keep borrowing from China, we may all find we're learning chinese, not spanish in the USA!

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Diane, Grand Blanc, MI — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:56:28 GMT

R. Merrell - I'm with you entirely. I don't know about you, but I am terrified of this Administration and can't believe the Democrats have become GW's largest enablers. I consider this Administration on the same level as any other terrorist organization on the planet. The only difference is that GW has the power. The elections in 11/2006 clearly tried to remove this type of runaway power to no avail. Why are the Democrats forsaking their large constituent base of American voters? They have the power of the purse strings and could easily bring this corrupt Administration to a screeching halt. Yet, they choose to enable them and encourage this type of madness. I feel like they are all just flipping the bird to the American public and are blinded by their own special interest power machine. America's in big, big trouble!

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Terry, Disabled Vet, Des Moines, IA — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:07:22 GMT

If we don't wake up and get rid of these war hell bent pushers, we may end up just like the rest of the major powers of the world, gone.

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Carlos, Hartford, Conn. — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:10:57 GMT

I encourage all you hawks like Jim B. to reassess your the assumptions here. You claim the US has tried diplomacy over the last 3 years and now we need the stick...I get that right Jim B.? Well unfortunately if you too the time to look into our proposal for diplomacy, you'd understand that our diplomacy comes with several stipulations before we even sit down. The most significant of these is that Iran give up its nuclear energy program entirely. Second, I would point out that Iran is a signed member of the NPT, the Non-Proliferation Treaty, which gives them the right to develop nuclear energy. If you've been listening to the escalating rhetoric on the part of the Bush administration, they now purport that Iran cannot even develop the knowledge for enriching uranium, which is clearly allowed under the NPT. The more I learn about this issue, the more I realize that its about who can sell enriched uranium and the associated materials for developing nuclear power versus those who can only buy it. Read up on the nuclear deal between the US and India and you'll begin to get a sense of what I'm talking about. Shame on the US for trampling on another treaty and cornering countries into pursuing nukes as a deterrent against US aggression .

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Carl Liu, Redmond, WA — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:22:55 GMT

Those who blame Rice for no diplomacy success in her resume are too naive to Bush REGIME. This regime is all about war, war, war, and more wars!
Please keep in mind that it will take dozens of years for US troops to recover its strength, which means billions of taxpayers money for Lockheed Martin and Halliburton even after this REGIME. What a brilliant REGIME. Oh, by the way, I haven't mentioned how each single instability can drive up profits for oil companies in a decade that every single storm in Mexican Bay could be used to increase the oil price.

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colt phoenix — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:34:31 GMT

some of you people are not very well informed. Iran has been responsible for more American deaths through terrorist attacks for the last 30 years than any other country in the world.The Iranian president believes he has a personal role in the coming of the 12th iman which would be the beginning of the armageddon. he also calls the U.S.A. the great satan and believes we will be destroyed.The reason this situation is different than previous nuclear stand offs is his idealogy, we dont want to die. To him it would be glory & 70 virgins.

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Gary, Franklin, WI — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:51:32 GMT

To: Carl Liu, Redmond, WA

Most of us are saying essentially the same thing in different ways, the most urgent REGIME change needed is an end to the Bush REGIME!

January 20, 2009 cannot come soon enough . . .

It will take time (1) to resolve the problems the Bush REGIME greated and (2) to address the problems it ignored.

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Terry, Disabled Vet, Des Moines, IA — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:04:15 GMT

ok colt pheonix, enlighten us please, if by your post you think that Iran is a major problem and has been for 30 years, the please explain why the f are we bombing and killing people in Iraq? This administration is nothing but lies and propaganda for war. They like war because it makes many for them -- See Haliburton- I am suspicious of this administration's sabre rattling at this point in time because of upcoming elections -- see past elections under this administration and you can draw a line of suspicious things they claim. I don't doubt Iran is troubleing but I am really concerned with the dunce in chief's remarks about Iran and WWIII. Why on earth would someone say something like that unless they have a wish to start it? The you add in the shoot you in the face tricky (darth vader) dick and you see this administration is hell bent on war. Heck even the dunce in chief has stated that this fiasco he started in Iraq will be finished by another peron not him. Suspicious timeing and suspicious claims has landed us in a fiasco in Iraq, if we are not careful the samething is about to be replayed, but with greater consequences. So please since you think some of us may not be smart, please enlighten me (us).

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Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:13:09 GMT

Colt, what makes you think the Iranian people aren't as sick and disgusted by their war-monger idiot president as we are?

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Yash Budini — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:15:26 GMT

"George W. Bush has the diplomatic skills of a doorknob. "

I see no reason to dispare innocent doorknobs to that level of incompetence.

"If that idiot-in-chief is so damned determined to start war with Iran, let him ride the first bomb down. "

All the more reason to impeach these idiots NOW!

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Yash Budini — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:16:46 GMT

Does anybody recall Martin Sheen in the movie The Dead Zone?

Is that who's in office right now?

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Lt. Warf — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:20:18 GMT

Seriously, she is one of the better looking Klingons. If she didn't furrow her brow everytime she lies you'd hardly know she is from outer space.

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todd p, fort mill, SC — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:25:23 GMT

UMMM Colt Phoenix you say that " Iran has been responsible for more American deaths through terrorist attacks in the last 30 years than any other country in the world" So the 15 hijackers from Saudi Arabia don't count? And I think we all know how Bin Laden (A Saudi) feels about us

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John R., Los Angeles, CA — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:29:58 GMT

I am wondering how easily we ignore those who are behind all these events and benefit since the Bush administration started. They required Sep 11 adjusting the budget for war increasing it from 133 billion to 600 billion just in 3 weeks! Now it’s more than 6 years it’s going up! The oil prices have the same story. The military machine got its existence form our wealth and those companies are still hiding the truth. Who is our real enemy?

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Ron Florida — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:50:00 GMT

I believe Lybia was a succes,or has everyone forgotten that they got scared s&%$less and gave up all thier WMD's. Way to go Condi! Now please, Ms. Albright (uncle Fester) or maybe the shrimp Mr. Christoper, they were by far the two worst Sec. of State we EVER had.
Now as for diplomacy with Wakadimajihda, yes following 9/11 iran offered support regarding the Taliban, but the lunitic in Iran was mayor of Teheran at the time not the president. Larinjiani was the president and considered a moderate, he was quickly ousted by the supreme clerics for a more anti US leader.
Colt in Pheonix good post, but its 72 virgins. By the way can anyone tell me about the human rights record of Iran? If what was going on in that country occured here in the US all you libs would be freaking out calling for change , oh wait a minute no you wouldn't you would be thrown in jail or worse you'd be shot. But enough on that subject for now, I would like someone to explain to me how do you talk to the leaders of Iran when all they want to do is kill Americans? Can anyone hear tell me they think the holocaust of WW2 was imaginary, that it didn't happen? We all know what Wakidimajhad thinks.

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Ron Florida — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:56:56 GMT

Someone said they trusted putin more than GWB......?Did you read Puty's lastest here on MSNBC, a missle DEFENSE SHIELD is compareable to the Cuban missle crisis what are you somoking ?

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colt phoenix — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:03:27 GMT

well terry, the current president of iran is far more hard line and inflammitory than his predessor.heres another fact,irans nuclear program has been clandestine for 20yrs. only because it was discoved is it aknowledged.why would you hide a peacful nuclear program for two decades if it is for peacful purposes. they also handed over documents to the IAEA which included a nuclear weapon design by accident & when questioned could not explain why they had it. I would also like anyone to explain why any country would work on building a icbm for several years with a baby bottle reentry vehicle which is ideal for nuclear weapons. the miisle is the shahab 4. no country on earth builds these missles for use with conventional weapons. You dont have to be a brain surgeon to correlate their ballistic misssle program with a nuclear weapons program. Iran is very different than past proliferation problems because mutually assured destruction (our current deterent) wont work with someone that thinks they will have a personal role in the end of times and has no fear of death. the time to act has passed when iran has aquired a nuclear weapon.as far as iraq goes everybody wants to blame bush, we have thousands of people that work in the intelligence community and at that time we had bad intel. the president needs to make decisions based in the intel he is given. we should also note that most other european countries had the same intel. on a unrelated note I read some of your blogs and am astounded how many of you have your head in the sand, if you spent half the time looking at the facts and doing some real research as you do bashing bush you may have a different opinion.

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Terry, Disabled Vet, Des Moines, IA — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:15:16 GMT

Ron Florida, we asked to put a missle defense system in that region and we were told no. The we decided that what the heck were going to do it anyway or noew the SecDef says maybe we can wait. - Let me think here for a second- done, when someone says no and you decide to do it anyway, then all you are doing is escalting the problem. The problem with the dunce in chief and his administration is just that they like to antagonize people enough to get things started that has been his way of life being a spolied rich brat. If you want to join the fight, JOIN!!!!!

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colt phoenix — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:20:32 GMT

well todd, the 15 highjackers were not funded or sanctioned by the saudi govt. I said country.

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Ron Florida — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:28:31 GMT

Terry the missle shield is going into Poland and the Czech Republic both free and independant countries that want the shield in thier nations. You are correct when someone says no you abide by them, however when did Putin become President of Poland and The Czech republic? Why does Putin get any say in the matter? By the way I did fight. 82ND Airborne first Gulf War.

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Terry, Disabled Vet, Des Moines, IA — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:30:21 GMT

colt pheonix, my head has never been in the sand, I have been through the valley of hell. You want war JOIN

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Houston — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:32:10 GMT

Ron [[Now as for diplomacy with Wakadimajihda, yes following 9/11 iran offered support regarding the Taliban, but the lunitic in Iran was mayor of Teheran at the time not the president.]]

Yes, and he became president of Iran thanks in large part to Bush's belligerence. The moderates in the Iranian government fell out of favor because their overtures to the US after 9/11 and their aid against the Taliban were met with a slap in the face from Bush. Ahmadinejad didn't become president until 2005, well after Bush made his idiotic "Axis of Evil" speech, and 2 years after the invasion of neighboring Iraq, when it already looked like Iran was next in line for a US invasion.

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Cool B, Hollywood, Florida — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:38:16 GMT

Why not a nuclear free Middle East; but that would mean Israel having to give up its nuclear arsonel and of course, the hypocritical US will not want that either, which begs the question...who is the real trouble maker in the regeon? Is it Iran?

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Lee Holmes — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:41:36 GMT

Diane: If you do,then why are you not in prison or dead yet? The hysterical rantings on this board,perpetuated purely by the hatred of the president,offer no lucid examination. Take the use of the UK Telegraph excerpts for instance. This was the same newspaper that also cited leftwinger Sy Hershs intel in a piece he did in the NEW YORKER that we would be at war in Iran[''bunker busters''tac-weapons'',airstrikes'' etc. by September of 2006].
There will be no war in Iran. The oft-used charge of ''AIPAC''goading Bush foreign policy is false and is borne of leftwinged provacateurs picking up pages from the Sean Penn/Tim Robbins playbook. anti-Semitism on the half-shell being infinately easier than dealing with true monsters.
However,and there is more weight to this than there is in phony posturing over ''another war'',is that Iran will gain the neccesary means to develop its nuclear bomb at about the time of the first year of the new administration. Foolishly believing that the way to ''peace''lay with more rogue nations arming themselves with nuke ICBMs,leftwingers cling to the forlorn hope that Iran will act no differant than any other nuclear-armed nation. This is a fallacy which Iran has proven to be a dead-end by its very meddling in the destinies of all of the nations that neighbor it. What becomes even more hideous is the fact that Iran is actively engaged in killing our soldiers in Iraq,Afghanistan,those of the nations of Lebanon and Israel,and seeks regional hegemony of the Middle East. The Joe Kleins and Paul Krugmans of the world want us to go hat-in-hand before the Mullahs,projecting weakness which these detest. The media eggs on the ''coming war'',succeeding,as is their objective,the mental derangement of the bleating sheep.[as opposed to the ''dire threat''they will print instead once Iran gets its nukes,and once their handpicked Democrat becomes president].

All of this said,the choice to include Irans Guard army into a designation as a terrorist front is a sound one,based in what soldiers on the ground are finding in Iraq. Their determination is based upon finding these personnel operating with impunity in Iraq devising methods with which to kill our soldiers. The Iranians and the Arab states by extention,less even the Russians,will come to depend upon American weakness and exploit it to the fullest,creating a world that will become more dangerous in its composition than the one endured today. There will be no new Golden Age. Hopes will be pinned on the chimera of party change in Washington and the rising belief in a new American isolationism,that will by its very neccecity,allow large portions of the world to tear themselves apart,and further weaken this nations fortunes.''Engagement''from this position of weakness,will result in nothing accomplished save minor third-tier-state victories at a maximum.

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colt phoenix — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:48:15 GMT

well todd, the 15 highjackers were not funded or sanctioned by the saudi govt. I said country.

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House Call — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:52:10 GMT

"If you do,then why are you not in prison or dead yet? The hysterical rantings on this board,perpetuated purely by the hatred of the president,offer no lucid examination."

Then you're just the man for the job, because you are rarely lucid and never honest. The press is "hysterical." The posters are "hysterical." GWB is calm and rational - I see a bright future for you in the coming fascist America.

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Desmond — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:08:52 GMT

Like I said Lee, its papa Bush's New World Order, dutifully carried out by his son.Not my choice.

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colt phoenix — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:09:49 GMT

lee holmes, well done I agree with you. to some of you others, is there anything in the world that isnt bushes fault?

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colt phx — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:24:57 GMT

the way we handle this will have a lasting effect. peace through stregth.

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Houston — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:50:46 GMT

Lee Holmes [[This was the same newspaper that also cited leftwinger Sy Hershs intel in a piece he did in the NEW YORKER that we would be at war in Iran[''bunker busters''tac-weapons'',airstrikes'' etc. by September of 2006].]]

It looks like Sy Hersh could have been right, leftwing or not. The request for money to outfit B2 bombers with bunker busters was in Bush's supplemental. It was stated to be an the "urgent" need.

[[All of this said,the choice to include Irans Guard army into a designation as a terrorist front is a sound one,based in what soldiers on the ground are finding in Iraq. Their determination is based upon finding these personnel operating with impunity in Iraq devising methods with which to kill our soldiers. ]]

As if anyone should buy that pig in a poke from the same people who assured us that Iraq had WMD. The Iranian "operatives" that the US seized were on diplmatic missions, according to the Iraqi government itself. The Iranians no doubt have been aiding the Iraqi Shia and some of that assistance may have been in the form of weaponry, but Bush's evidence is flimsy to nonexistent. The charge that Shia Iran is in cahoots with the Sunni Taliban is completely ludicrous. It looks like another bald-faced lie.

[[''Engagement''from this position of weakness,will result in nothing accomplished save minor third-tier-state victories at a maximum. ]]

Bush's engagement from a position of weak-minded belligerence has proved to be disastrous. There's nothing weak about effective diplomacy; it's just too complicated for someone like Bush who prefers simple minded violence as the solution to the world's problems.

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Terry, Disabled Vet, Des Moines, IA — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:53:29 GMT

Ron Florida, thanks for serving brother, (reference to brothers and sisters in arms that is) the point that I was making which you caught is if we keep pissing everyobody off with the dunce in chief's cowboyism then we will fall just like the rest of the superpowers. My challenge to people who advocate war who have never served should JOIN because our military could use them.

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John B, Des Moines, IA — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:05:17 GMT

Ron, the success in Libya was the result of 20 years of international sanctions. They only buckled after Britain insisted on handling the final negotiation without our assistance. In particular they did not want neocon loose cannon John Bolton involved.

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Lee Holmes — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:05:42 GMT

House call: If ''dishonest''then you should have no problem illuminating said ''dishonesty''. Jump to it cretin. I have not all day.

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Lee Holmes — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:08:46 GMT

Desmond: What makes you believe that Iran has no plans for a NWO of their own? Your ''choice''would be to see a SHAHAB-IV ICBM aimed at New York. There will be your ''new world order''.

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John B, Des Moines, IA — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:09:08 GMT

colt phoenix, there are plenty of things that aren't Bushes fault. The problem is he doesn't wish to take responsibility for the things that ARE his fault. And he's screwed up virtually everything over which he has influence.

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Sean Alden, Ottawa, Ontario — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:28:12 GMT

For the time being, the Iranian program is certified by the IAEA as fully civilian and within the framework of NPT. Just check for yourselves. What we need are safeguards in place to insure that it stays this way. The current policy of Bush administration is not to find an accommodation, it wants full suspension of their program that is incidentally fully legal, before engaging in negotiations. Now if someone came to you and said, do as we say and then we will talk about why you should do as we say, what would you do?

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Lee Holmes — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 02:55:13 GMT

Houston:

As usual,you are a day late and a dollar short. You forget[or have conveniently ignored to tell our audience],that these so-called ''diplomats''[of which one is still suspected of being a QUDS force member],were released BEFORE the latest captures of more QUDS force members north of Basra[10 of these] by the 82nd AB in September and the capture of two Shia militia members tied to QUDS that confessed Irans involvement in the murders of five US soldiers,and by your OWN precious New York Times no less.[though this is hardly the only source.The following at the end of the post will be from military embedded reporters regarded as the best in America for their coverage of thr Iraq War].

New York Times July 02,2007:''US Ties Iran To Deadly Attack''[excpt]:

'' General Berger said interrogations of Qais Khazali ,a senior Shia militant who oversaw Iranian-supported cells in Iraq showed that QUDS force members planned the operation''[which killed these five US soldiers].

Also see:

www.michaelyon.blogspot.com ''Ghosts of Anbar''et al.

www.billroggio.blogspot.com

These guys have been in Indian Country for four years serving with every single major US force and every single major operation since 2004 dodging bullets,eating crummy food,wearing the same clothes for weeks on end,and risking their own deaths daily. They are beloved of troops that despise the American MSM hiding inside of the Green Zone,standing in front of the same palm trees every day to deliver their BS ''first hand''reportage,and they offer the most accurate reports of what Iran is up to in Iraq. For more US military deploring of the American MSM,and the Democrat majority in Congress,legion in its sheer amounts,go here:

www.military.com MILBLOGS

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Al Pippin — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 07:46:19 GMT

I can't help but wonder if an elected Democratic President, and facing the same set of cicumstances as what Bush is facing today, regarding Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan if he/she would advocate a more passive or aggressive approach than what is currently being excercised. I also have to wonder if many of the same people who are now railing so virolently against Bush, would be doing the same against a Democratic President. Its funny how having the ultimate responsibility for the national security and general welfare of a nation doesn't allow for a President being faint of heart or indecisive in doing what needs to be done to fulfill that end. Thats exactly why a Democratic presidential candidate will never again be elected in a time of war. The general population of this country will not let it happen. Thank goodness for that being a reality of life in this country.

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clearandpresentdanger — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:02:48 GMT

The missile defense shield idea is as ludicrous as the concept of Iran as a global nuclear threat (we've already got a couple of those in Pakistan and N. Korea - real nuclear weapons, not neocon fantasy projections of future possibilities).

Of course the host countries want the construction of said defense shields - this translates to very large dollars flowing into those respective countries and their paltry economies. Just what our national budget needs....another trillion for a stupid-ass defense shield that has no chance in hell of working as planned. Another Reagan/Bush boondoggle at our expense. And hey, we're now working on our second trillion for Iraq.

The USA can't buy their way out of trouble by throwing more money at problems that our own government helps create - but it's damn good for business and for bolstering the defense budget - in the mean time, the bill is coming due one day soon. It really feels like we're headed back to the 1950s.
Always moving backward - the Bush operating policy.

Bomb shelters anyone??

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fatal attraction — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:21:16 GMT

Connie & Georgie sitting in a tree K I S S I N G......

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Whysman, Phoenix, AZ — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:15:31 GMT

BUSH WHACKED

Bush believes he plays a part,
In the Christian's bible story.

Frustration shows and grows each day,
He's obsessed with thoughts of glory.

Hell bent on playing out the role,
He longs for the Earth's judgement day.

For his god has told him loud and clear,
"Stay the course George, do it your way."

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Houston — Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:29:44 GMT

Lee Holmes [[New York Times July 02,2007:''US Ties Iran To Deadly Attack''[excpt]:
General Berger said interrogations of Qais Khazali...]]

How reliable that is depends on who did the interrogation. Now that we know that Bush has authorized the use of torture to get prisoners to say what the interrogators want to hear, lots of "confessions" are dubious.

Even if the Iranians are involved in this sort of activity, you continue to dodge the fact that Bush's belligerence toward Iran after they assisted us in Afghanistan is one of the reasons the Iranian moderates were ousted from power and replaced by leaders as belligerent as Cheney/Bush. Or do you ignore the facts because, as Steven Colbert said, facts have a liberal bias?

[[These guys have been in Indian Country for four years]]

This is Iraq, not "Indian country." Use of that term only shows the contempt you have for the people we're supposedly trying to save, although I suppose there are some parallels to what the U.S. government did to "help" the American Indians.

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Desmond — Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:48:20 GMT

Lee Holmes, I apoligize for not responding to yor post to me sooner. I have been away from my computer.
I did see a blog entry of yours though,i n the last couple of days. You warned of using Wikepedia as a source of information. I was puzzled by that as, in the past, you have used them quite a few times.
If I were you, or Bush, I'd stay away from anyone named Curveball if they were trying to give us information about Iran. That ball didn't end up bouncing so well in Iraq. Sure did get us into a war though.

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Lee Holmes — Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:59:42 GMT

Houston: You can offer no proof whatever that the 82nd ABs intelligence sections engaged in torture in gleaning this information from the captured Shia terrorists. You are thus presenting a lie rather than a factual analysis.[theres some more of this alleged ''support for the troops''we keep hearing about]. The fact remains that the 82nd did capture Iranian QUDS personnel based upon this intelligence.
You are evading the issue and turning it into one that is irrelevant to my rebuttal of your earlier post. This is,that Iranian military,vice ''diplomatic'' personnel have been captured in Iraq since April of this year. Further,as we have seen through the offices of the United States Armys Central Command,that they are not offering any ''help''whatever in Afghanistan. Their deadly influence is continuing to spread,''cowboy diplomacy''notwithstanding. Again,you would see this nation effect a hat-in-hand diplomacy in a mirror image of what Pelosi tried[and failed] to do with Syrias Assad while Iran yet gets in nukes and projects its military power throughout the region.[we will point out here that in the region of ''diplomacy'',the EU and the IAEA,lead by ElBaradei,have failed to stop a single nation from developing a military nuclear weapons program,or stopped the improvements in ICBM capabilities in nations that already have these].Seeing these failures,and thouroughly aware of what a nuclear Iran will mean to the Middle East,Egypt now demands entry into the nuclear club. Thus your facile,weak ''diplomacy''will merely have the effect of spreading weapons of mass destruction. Not in alliviating or diminishing these.