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Class Warrior, D.C. — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:34:38 GMT

Julie wonders, "Would Saddam be nuclear by now?" No...if he wasn't in '02, he couldn't have developed nukes that quickly. He also wonders, "How would Iran's nuke program be affecting Saddam?" Not at all, because Iran and Iraq HATE each other (two wars, remember?) so there wouldn't be much interplay between the two. Just another example of Julie the shrub clone fear-mongering again.

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Shadow, Hamden, CT — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:35:08 GMT

Domenico - The debates have had less effect than the debate coverage, which has been seen by at least ten times as many people. Despite the fact that Obama won the SurveyUSA poll of South Carolina and the MSNBC online poll after the first debate, the post-debate spin of the media is what people remember; the same thing has only happened since then, despite Obama winning every MSNBC online post-debate poll all year, and post-debate focus groups in states like New Hamspshire. The fact is that the amount of the time the mass media has spent reporting those results is dwarfed by the amount of time pundits have been given to spin the debate themselves. It's a very dishonest and undemocratic process that gives us Presidents like George W. Bush. Let's have an election decided on the issues, and not a self-perpetuated cycle of media spin.

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Dan G., Pensacola, FL — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:37:52 GMT

OOOOOh, Obama is going to get tough on Social Security (he talks about it but says nothing) and is going to challenge Hillary on Iraq/Iran (who can be the most noncommittal). This is just going to be another Democrat non debate. Let's just crown Hillary the Queen so the G-man can knock her of her high horse. Take out the non debating Democratic competition and allow Rudy to unveil the hidden beast in Hillary and watch her poll numbers fall like a rock.

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Bee — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:38:12 GMT

Please don't make anything out of the debate because Hillary Clinton won't answer the question.

Here is another intresting interview that Hillary gave to a foreign news paper. She failed to answer the question and she sound more like George Bush.

http://www.ireland.com/focus/2007/clinton/index.html

She won't close Guantanamo, she won't answer the question. More of the same.

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pat huntington ny — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:46:46 GMT

Rudy's rhetorical questions about a nuclear Iraq and Iran in an alternative universe shows he's absolutely clueless [like this administration and most republicans] as to how much the sunnis that controlled Iraq under Sadam hated [and still hate] the shiites who control IRan. He states that had Saddam not been removed, as Clinton and the other Democrats seem to say now [which by the way, they don't], we'ld be dealing with a nuclear Iraq and a nuclear Iran. Sorry Rudy, but Saddam was a stabilizing factor in the Iran/Iraq frictious relationship. While Saddam controlled Iraq, Iran would never ever think of pissing him off by going nuclear, knowing it would spark another bloody Iraq/Iran war. And Saddam obviously had no nuclear capabilities and would not be able to do so because the inspectors were doing their job. And while he may have wanted it, he never would have been allowed it. Recall Israel taking out Iraq's first attempt at going nuclear in the early 1980s? Therefore, Rudy's comment is another republican misleading statement right out of the Rove book of campaigning.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:51:29 GMT

It's interesting that when Obama went after Hillary on Social Security, she puts a video as her answer. The video did not answer the question, all she did was go after President Bush. she has a history (just like her husband) of not answering questions about whatever she plans to do if she is ever elected president.

Hillary Clinton has got to be the biggest hypocrite of all time. Between her job as first lady, her so called Senate career and her entire campaign, she brings nothing to the table. I hope Obama and Edwards do go after her. Americans deserve some answers from this little woman who wants to play with the big boys.

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Ricardo in California — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:55:17 GMT

Why is Giuliani making comments about Iran or Iraq , he pobably can't point to them on a map. I so look forward to Guilani becoming the Republican Nominee so that all of the sleazy and scumbag things he did in New York will finally come out. Whoever the Dem nominee is they are a shoe-in if they run against Guilani.

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SB — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:04:01 GMT

So in preparation for tonights debate, MSNBC brings Wes Clark on the program as a political "contributor". Am I to believe that a news organization can't find an impartial contributor? You need to bring someone from Hillary's camp?

So, I walk away from the programming, only to return to see the evil face of Mr. Wolfson.

Time to turn off the TV, and seek a more impartial means of coverage.

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Ricardo in California — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:10:12 GMT

If it had not been for 9/11, Guilani would be nothing. He is a blatant opportunist who is now parading around like some leader at the expense of those who died in the twin towers. As mayor of New York, he did clever things like deal with the homeless by putting them on a bus and shipping them upstate. Out of sight, out of mind. He set up the emergency command center in the twin towers after they had been bombed in 1993 and despite every security expert in NYC telling him not to do that. If you would like another ignorant american president like GWB, then Rudy is your man.

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Mike K, Denver — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:12:24 GMT

I just LOOOOOOVE how First Read, and Domenico in particular, seem to use national numbers in a _PRIMARY_ election. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but the idea of the primary/caucus season is that it is every state for themselves. I mean it is nice and all that we can see these numbers, but they're utterly meaningless right now. The important numbers are the ones coming out of Iowa and New Hampshire which show a MUCH closer race than the MSM and Hillary want you, or I, to know about.

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Bee — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:16:34 GMT

MSNBC is part of the problem. They've misinformed the American people all year long by bringing huge Hillary supporter to TV to comment on the debate.

I've stoppped watching any program from NBC/MSNBC long time ago. I'd rather watch foxnews or PBS than the so called MSNBC.

The only show i watch on NBC is meet the press and sunday night football. The rest are bunch of craps full of Clinton's Kumbaya.

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Mike K, Denver — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:17:50 GMT

So, what's the over/under on the number of direct questions asked by both the moderators and other candidates of Hillary that she'll hem and haw over, laugh over, and find every other way not to give a direct, detailed answer to?

I'd love to see Obama take Hillary on Social Security and Iran. He's been talking about it and has even discussed some of the potential ways of fixing it. All she's done is attack Dubya (is he even running? Oh wait, it's unconstitutional for him to run again!) about his privatization plan (that was DOA more than a year ago). She also went against every other Democrat running and labeled the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization. How long before Dubya sees this as an opportunity to do more than just rattle his sabre and attack in the name of his "War on Terror"?

I want her to be seen in the light of being nothing more than a continuation of the Dubya Administration.

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Lek — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:19:20 GMT

CSPAN is far better. I wish they could have a more political coverage. They are fair and balance. No more liberal MSNBC and CNN. Fox News is even fair and balance if you only watch O'reily.

At least O'reily will bring two opposing view unlike the MSNBC who will only bring Clinton's machine to comment.

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Ricardo in California — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:24:35 GMT

Bee if MSNBC is the problem and what the hell are you doing on their blog. Clearly you have no problem reading their internet news .... isn't that a double standard on your part... oh I forgot, that is a GOP trait ..double standards ...

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Nathan E., Hanover, NH — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:26:00 GMT

Domenico, are you serious? Because the polls now are different than the polls from six months ago, "there is no doubt" that the debates have had an impact? Get serious! Correlation does not necessarily mean causation, you should know that! The fact that HRC has a wider lead now than when the debates started might be because of the debates, yes, but it might also be a coincidence. Shame on you for so flagrantly misrepresenting statistics.

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Mike K, Denver — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:28:29 GMT

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CitizenJ — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:32:28 GMT

"l she's done is attack Dubya (is he even running? Oh wait, it's unconstitutional for him to run again!) about his privatization plan (that was DOA more than a year ago)."

Mike K,

This is her strategy. If someone asks her a question she can't answer truthfully, she will just tip-toe around it, then come up with an add later that trashes George Bush. Or, if one of the other candidates calls her on it, she cries foul because she equates pointing out her flawed logic with a personal attack.

This is exactly what most Americans are tired of, and yet she does such a good job of bulls**tting people and lulling them to sleep until it is too late. And being Bill's spouse helps a little bit, too.

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CitizenJ — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:36:19 GMT

"Shame on you for so flagrantly misrepresenting statistics."

Nathan,

I share your sentiment, but misrepresenting statistics is what campaigns are about - especially this one. If you can get someone to believe that half of Americans are voting for Clinton, when in reality only half of about 800 people (who were probably called at home in the middle of dinner) say they support her, then that is a huge advantage - mostly due to the sheep-like quality of the electorate.

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Lek — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:37:06 GMT

Did i hear you say Edward is not worth mentioning? Infact, i think your journalistic integrity is something we should question as a voters.

Foxnews is way better than Mr. Dominicrap? Everything that is wrong with MSNBC is on display in this reporting. Starting from Andrea Mitchell to Chuck Todd.

I even boycott my favorite guy (Alan Greenspan)book because he is associated with stupid Andrea Mitchel. I don't want to enrich that idiot who called her self unbiased reporter.

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Bee — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:41:56 GMT

Mike K, Denver,

I thought it was only me. The whole MSNBC crew apart from Tim Russert are a joke. I have stoped watching their show since the start of the campaign. I have even decided to shift my allegiance to ABC nightly news because of the so called reporters that are so biased starting from Andre Mitchell to Chris Matthew

Chris Matthew show is like Hillary Clinton or George Bush's party. No content whatsoever. More of the same in the last 3 years.

The only program that is what my attention is Meet the Press. I know i am going to get fair and balance. If not answer to my question.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:48:04 GMT

Kos and the netroots have abandoned him

Gays, social security, and the loss of a real choice this primary
by kos
Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 12:57:42 PM PDT
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This is truly an epic flameout by the Obama campaign, engaged in actions that are completely indefensible. Those of you who continue to try and rationalize it -- would you be making the same exculpatory arguments if it was George W. Bush doing the things Obama is doing right now? Or one of the rival campaigns? Somehow, I doubt the vast majority of you would."

http://www.dailykos.com/

His excuses are beginning to show...

"Mr. Obama said he was not concerned by a repeated spate of national polls showing lopsided support for Mrs. Clinton. “The national press for the last three months has written glowingly about her and not so much about me, so it’s not surprising,” he said. He described himself as an “underdog” running against a campaign that has “a 20-year head start when it comes to managing the spin of the national politics.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/28/us/politics/28obama.html?pagewanted=2&ref=us

But the reality is...

"Obama enjoyed the friendliest coverage of the presidential field; McCain endured the most negative. That was due in part to the media's focus on fundraising; Obama raised more than expected and McCain raised less."

This is the SECOND time the campaign is ramping up...

By RICK KLEIN
Oct. 1, 2007

"As Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., seeks to sharpen his differences with Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., his worst enemy could be . . . Barack Obama."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=3675935&page=1

...in a month.

In the interview, Mr. Obama acknowledged that he had held back until now, though he asserted it was a calculated decision to introduce himself in early voting states before engaging opponents. He said he regularly took lines out of speeches prepared by his campaign that he felt were “stretching the truth.”

But Mr. Obama, of Illinois, said the plan had always been for him to begin taking on Mrs. Clinton more directly in the fall. And he glared and responded no when asked if he lacked the stomach for confrontational politics. “It is absolutely true that we have to make these distinctions clearer,” he said. “And I will not shy away from doing that.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/28/us/politics/28obama.html?ref=us

His lagging, stagnant poll numbers have his bundlers and backers jittery and demoralized;

"His senior aides said they were now spending much of their day fielding calls from concerned donors and other supporters..."

"Morale at his Chicago headquarters, aides said, has been dragged down by the perception that Mrs. Clinton is lapping Mr. Obama."

His campaign had seriously underestimated his opponent...

"The interview came amid growing signs that Mr. Obama was looking for a fresh start for his campaign after nine months in which his aides said they were startled by the effectiveness of Mrs. Clinton’s campaign, and worried that her support was not as brittle as they had once believed."

The Obama campaign is trying to scale back expectations for his performance at tonight's debate,after spending days RAISING those same expectations.
Many here have dismissed my use of polls and the hated MSM to assess the state of the race for the nomination. It is obvious that the Obama campaign (and donors) have more respect for the numbers than the faithful here do, unless you still don't believe that the campaign is in trouble.

Tonight will be interesting. We know how Edwards will come out...he's got NOTHING to lose, he's falling back in the ONLY state he can afford to campaign in and the ONE state he can't afford to lose, so he should come out with both rhetorical guns blazing. Edwards' dilemma?: The harder Edwards has gone after Clinton, the further behind he's fallen in the polls.How will he AND Barack be perceived if they seem to be attacking, or piling on Clinton? What if Edwards overshadows Obama?
The pressure is on Barack tonight, and he's going to be walking a tightrope. While I don't think he needs a knockout to turn the race around, a poor performance on his part could be a crippling blow, and open the door for one of the other anti-Hillaries to burst through.

Van

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:53:44 GMT

Considering Chris used to be a speechwriter for Jimmy Carter, I think Hillary would be wise to stay away from him....

You know what they say about bad karma........

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Daniel, NY — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:54:23 GMT

It will be interesting to see whether Obama will have to answer questions about the McClurkin affair. The blogosphere is all over this, Atrios calling it "the audacity of homophobia." Full rundown: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2007/10/edwards-hits-hillary-but-who-will.html

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Toris — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:55:46 GMT

I know Van like pushing poll number on us. What say you to the decline of Hillary's number in NH. Note this are likely democrtic voters without independent.

Guess what? your candidate is toasted come Jannuary. People are now ready to pay attention to the issues which Hillary has no answer for.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/2008_presidential_election/election_2008_new_hampshire_democratic_primary

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Mike K, Denver — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:57:10 GMT

<<"Shame on you for so flagrantly misrepresenting statistics."

Nathan,

I share your sentiment, but misrepresenting statistics is what campaigns are about - especially this one. If you can get someone to believe that half of Americans are voting for Clinton, when in reality only half of about 800 people (who were probably called at home in the middle of dinner) say they support her, then that is a huge advantage - mostly due to the sheep-like quality of the electorate. >>

What do they say--98% of all statistics are made up or something along those lines. It's all about spin. How do I take these meaningless numbers and twist them like an animal balloon till I can get them to say what _I_ want them to say about my candidate.

That's what these national numbers are. Clinton and Guilliani are using them because they think they've already won their respective nominations. If they did, I certainly missed Colorado's vote. Hillary won't use the Iowa numbers because people there are suspicious of her. Remember, these people have been doing this _forever_. I've been there. I've been part of it. They take this s--t seriously. It isn't a chore to them. It's their _duty_.

Saying this, she's in for a VERY rude awakening come 1/3.

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Bee — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:57:21 GMT

Chris Matthew is Hillary's puppet. We know all know that. Chris belong to Bill Clinton's empire.

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Bee — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:01:23 GMT

Van,

Who in the right sense of their mind go to daily kos. Another hate mongering site that have nothing to offer America. My work computer won't even allow me to go there.

How about the Rev father from Oakland, as far as i know he is the biggest gay basher ever. The last time i checked he endorse Hillary Clinton. What say you regarding that? Another hypocritical flap from clinton's machine.

By the way, i don't care about Gay Activist because they are part of the problem. Use division to line money in their pocket. We all know how they've all been raising fund quietly for Hillary. Wait another month before we expose all of you.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:03:23 GMT

New ARG polls have Clinton SURGING ahead in Iowa by double digits!

IA:
Clinton 32
Obama 22
Edwards 15

NH:
Clinton 40
Obama 22
Edwards 10

SC:
Clinton 41
Obama 19
Edwards 18

http://americanresearchgroup.com/

Great news going into the debate! Look at Edwards in Ia. You have to sympathize, he's been running there so hard and it's beginning to look like he won't even be a factor there.

Van

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Real Democrat, CA — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:04:23 GMT

Van is the smegma of the Hillary campaign...

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Vermonter — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:05:27 GMT

I'd say there's ample doubt about whether the debates have had any significant influence on Hillary's polling numbers.

If you have some actual data to support that claim, it would be good to post it.

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Mike K, Denver — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:05:50 GMT

"Senator Clinton, several debates back, you called me naive and inexperienced in that I would use diplomacy and meet one-on-one with the leaders of countries hostile to us. Several weeks later, your campaign took my approach as your own and you've even campaigned on it as though it were your own original thought. Now, however, it appears you've flip-flopped again with your vote to list the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization. Where do you _ACTUALLY_ stand on the issue of force vs. diplomacy? It appears to myself that you can't make up your mind, something I, and I am sure others, find unbecoming of someone wishing to be Commander In Chief."

This is how Obama should strike at Hillary tonight. It isn't attacking her, but her inconsistentcies in her foreign policy stance. Her words do not match her actions.

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Bee — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:07:46 GMT

I have said it several time, the blogs don't matter. They don't vote and millions of American dodn't even pay attention to the blog except some political junkies. Millions of voters don't even have computer let alone blog except some rich jobless kid who has nothing to offer.

The south carolina event was successfull...nearly 3000 people showed up compare to 20 activist that are jobless. If blogs really matter they would have all been on the picket line outside the event.

Guess what? Bloggers don't command that kind of attention compare to talk radio. If they truly believe this course his righteous why can't they show up on TV and lets have a debate. Hidden in the blogs won't do you any favor. I suspect they are all link to Clinton's netroot who has nothing to offer America.

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Mike K, Denver — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:13:22 GMT

That's nice Van. I trust them and their numbers about as much as I trust Dubya telling me the sky is Blue.

I want statistics from a source I actually _TRUST_. How about a newspaper or news organization BASED in IOWA.

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jerry'salterego/ corpus christi texas — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:18:10 GMT

I like Hillary, she's seems capable and strong which is why the Republicans have been bashing her for seven years. She's a threat to all things Republican and I respect that. So is Rudy for that matter. Why are they staunchly supporting a man who likes to dress in drag and talks with a lisp?

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Bee — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:19:16 GMT

Well, based on the credible polls from IOWA university Clinton is virtruall tied with OBAMA. There is no surge. The last time i also checked Mark Penn has some kind of connection with American Research group.

If you want credible poll numbers here is the right link

http://news-releases.uiowa.edu/2007/october/102907poll-topline.pdf

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Looking for the Truth — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:20:37 GMT

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Toris — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:20:52 GMT

Van,

You still haven't answer my question. What happen to Hillary's NH poll numbers?

It seems your candidate is sinking than you thought. Your candidate is toasted

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Looking for the Truth — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:22:54 GMT

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vanreuter, NY NY — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:23:53 GMT

I want statistics from a source I actually _TRUST_. How about a newspaper or news organization BASED in IOWA.

Mike K, Denver (Sent Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:13 AM)

How lame. I must have missed the Mike K denver approved list of polls you posted somewhere.

I do Post the link for realclearpolitics ALL THE TIME.
Most recent DesMoines Register has he leading by SIX (Obama by 7) and the next one will have her up by at least that.

10/01 - 10/03 Clinton 29 Obama 22 Edwards 23.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ia/iowa_democratic_caucus-208.html

You and your ilk are fast running out of rationalizations and excuses.

Van

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Looking for the Truth - Not on MSNBC — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:26:53 GMT

If someone other than Hillary wins Iowa, I want to see Chris Matthews eat his microphone live on Hardball.

I used to enjoy his weekly roundtable discussion show on Sunday, but even that has become nothing more than a Hillary pep rally in recent weeks.
Mike K, Denver (Sent Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:28 AM)
Unfortunately Chris Matthews has become delusional over the past two years with his one track “I must stop the war” mind. If he isn’t patting his own back or promoting his most recent TV appearance Chris has been in his own bubble for the last two years and seems to lost track of reality.

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George Sears, Cedar City, Utah — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:33:52 GMT

It's funny to say the debates have shaped the race to this point. How many people have watched a debate? There aren't any candidates in my area, no ads on the local TV or in the newspaper.

So what I get is what the media says. It definitely has a kind of Big New York Media flavor to it. That's not all of it but, umm, where do the two front runners come from?

It's weird that the media made Dean and Obama into superstars, and then they fell apart. Considering how little Clinton has said, how narrow and shallow her technocrat vision of America, how did she win? She won by not saying anything much that anyone could analyze and oppose? Bush has set the national security agenda. She won by accepting his terms?

Bush got elected by representing power and money, while giving something to Middle America, mostly Evanglicals. But then a major crisis came along, and Bush probably over-reacted badly. He never adequately defined the issues (that led to 9/11). Clinton isn't discussing any real issues that might emerge. Her handling of real crises, if she is elected, will simply be tested under fire. Maybe if the candidates were discussing Terror in 2000, there would have been no 9/11? Maybe if the debates included Americas economic weaknesses, a realistic assessment of our military capability, crises in 2010 could be averted?

Has the internet really changed the media center? Or, because the Times is on everyone's Blackberry, amplified it? From Daily Show, to New York Times, to WSJ, to Rolling Stone, it's pretty much a New York kind of deal. How do Blogs or YouTube or FaceBook matter? Mistakes can kill you, but can they build you up? Maybe nominating Hillary and Rudy will expose, to some degree, whether they really can represent the whole country. I guess the subway series would be worth it for that.

It just seems like the two candidates that are emerging are easily the preference of the New York media. Look how narrowly you define the debates. Why are questions about the Iranian Guards more important than why letting Turkey slide away from the EU might be a disaster for American foreign policy. Aren't these narrowly focused, barely interactive, debates simply designed to feed short slots on the evening news? Is that how Hillary 'won'?

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CitizenJ — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:34:30 GMT

"...and the next one will have her up by at least that."

Do you have access to information that we don't, or are you Nostradamos reincarnate?

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Looking for the Truth — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:37:22 GMT

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Al, KS — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:39:19 GMT

It's possible that the pressure is really on Hillary tonight....not Obama. The Obama campaign has made it clear that she will have to answer all of the questions tonight. Noticed that she was taking more time off to prepare than the other candidates. She needs to come up with some real answers this time....or maybe she's just perfecting her cackle. If she dances around the questions, maybe Obama and the press will call her on it for a change.

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Bee — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:39:53 GMT

Here is the true poll numbers regarding IOWA

University of IOWA hawkeye poll.

OCT AUG MAR
CLINTON 28.9 24 28.5
OBAMA 26.6 19. 19.3
EDWARDS 20.0 26.0 34.2
RICHARD 7.2 9.4 *
BIDEN 5.3 * *
DON’T KNOW 8.9 14.4 12.5
OTHERS 3.3 4.1 5.5

Van like to pick the one that favors his candidate. If you look at all the polls, you will realize that race in IOWA is dead heat. Statistical tie perhaps, Van doesn't understand statistics.

Also, if i want to spin the number, i'd say Obama is doing well compare to Clinton based on the trends. However, i won't say that because facts are more important than spin.

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Abraham, SF, CA — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:44:05 GMT

I Have just to tell some so calleeeeeeed reporter that they are not the voice of the people and crowning Monica rval as the nominee is irresponsible. Am I missing someting, did the election started already?
Therefore, its better chuck and acolytes like for ones to learned from te past. In addition, chuck and amis(es) are the ones who where asking Obama to attack Hilarious and now they think again Obama did a mistake by saying before the debate.
All of you need to come clean as a reporter or .....
The power to the people, I will live with there decision, until then any crowning is bias and ridiculous.
By the way, I am a San Francisco democrat and I will never vote for Hilarious even if she run against a republican. I rather stay home because I can not see the difference between H and W.

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Bee — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:45:19 GMT

Media is dead in America. They are part of the problem. If you really want real news without spin. Go to foreign media and get your news. American journalist are part of the problem.

If you want to know what is happening in Iraq go to BBC website. If you want to listen to Spin consult American media.

www.bbc.co.uk ------ Facts no spin
www.msnbc.com--------Spin only
www.cnn.com----------Spin only
www.foxnews.com------Right wing Spin + some facts + Neo-Con agenda

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Looking for the Truth — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:48:45 GMT

Lord, there appears to be an awakening here. As I have previously said, the Clinton machine has a number of reporters in all medias in their camp and they support her through bias reporting. It has been obvious on MSNBC, Newsweek, and national papers like the New York Times and the Washington Post. As reported a few years back a number of media have secretly meet with candidates to come up with a strategy to promote the candidate. Actually I believe the last time it was reported was with candidate John Kerry so I have no doublt that Hillary has done the same and has a network of TV and print reporters secretly promoting her. Some because of agreements with the Clinton campaign and some who do it on their own based on their personal bias.

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John B, Des Moines, IA — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:52:04 GMT

Ironic that people so frequently claim that Fox News is less biased than other outlets, considering that FN viewers are less likely to actually know what's going on than those who watch the Daily Show or Colbert Report. http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=319 See the section titled "Which Audiences Know the Most".

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:11:10 GMT

Millions of voters don't even have computer let alone blog except some rich jobless kid who has nothing to offer.
Bee (Sent Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:07 AM)

So are you saying that we are all rich, jobless kids with nothing to offer? Make sure you include yourself in that because you probably post more on here than anyone else. I count 9 comemnts in this thread alone.

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Bee — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:16:21 GMT

Ironic that people so frequently claim that Fox News is less biased than other outlets, considering that FN viewers are less likely to actually know what's going on than those who watch the Daily Show or Know the Most".

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Nobody is claiming that foxnews is less biased but what we are saying is we know what they stand for and they are being honest about it.

What is ridiculous is for media to tell us they are unbiased, yet, do other wise. Like i said ealier, if you want to know the eal facts go to the website below.

www.bbc.co.uk.

The rest of the media outlet in America is nothing but bogus. I can't wait for new America BBC broadcast. I want facts not spin. No more corporate agenda.

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John S. Alexander, Edinboro, PA — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:19:40 GMT

Numbers are deceiving, votes are decisive. lets calm down here fellow political junkies, we are the only ones right now who are listening, once the voting starts you will see a major difference in the numbers. The media is at fault for their laziness in reporting and we must always remember that all information is manipulated and we must read between the lines. Right now the only people benefiting from all this is the news media.

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Nate Boulder, CO — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:21:08 GMT

Hey "LOOKING FOR TRUTH" MSNBC has Scarborough and Tucker with their own show. How many shows does FOX give the Liberals? 1/2 at best when they let Colmes talk. Chris Matthews debated Anne Coulter on his show so I'm a little confused and Pat Buchanan is also a contributor and analyst. Is it their fault that FOX is too over-the-top for them?

Anyone who invokes the name of Bill O'Reilly with truth is not looking for it. Why won't he release the details of his plea deal? Yet he touts morality with kids? If you consider hypocrisy as truth then ask him to run a blog. And don't let the door hit you on the way over.

If you're so concerned about 'truth' try the FOX BLOGS. Do they even have a forum for open debate on their site?

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Stop the stupidity — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:23:22 GMT

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vanreuter, NY NY — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:24:15 GMT

"...and the next one will have her up by at least that."

Do you have access to information that we don't, or are you Nostradamos reincarnate?

CitizenJ (Sent Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:34 AM)

No- I just am able to read and not blinded by a cult of personality.

Why don't you post how people can learn all about Hillary's positions on the issues by going to her OPPONENTS websites again? What was the idea there anyway?

You don't need to be a prophet to see the trendlines of the Obama campaign. You only have to be able to read and do simple math.

I am sure that you too are looking forward to tonight's debate. I can't wait!

Van

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Jim, Edwardsville, IL — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:25:28 GMT

The attacks against Huckabee by far right wing conservative groups like "The Club for Growth" only pander to the elitists on Wall Street. Huckabee is taking the "rank and file" Republicans (lower class, lower middle class and the middle class) by storm. He's appealing to the majority of everyday working Americans...who vastly outnumber the elitists. I just went to Huckabee's website, and he's already raised $1mil this month in online contributions alone...which is more than he raised in TOTAL for all of the 3rd quarter. Sounds like Huckabee is really catching fire.

I used to be on the fence between Fred Thompson and Mitt Romney...but I think I'm on board with Huckabee now. As a working class guy myself, I appreciate his position on the issues.

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Looking for the Truth — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:37:53 GMT

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Jan, Perrysburg, Ohio — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:38:14 GMT

What spin the news media is putting on the democratic race. If you look on the the Real Clear website, Hillary was ahead in Iowa by 5.2 on Friday. Today, that number is 7.4. The newest poll shows Hillary up 10. Why is the media using the University of Iowa poll - the only poll that shows the race extremely close. They have promoted Obama from the beginning. Ask yourself this. If Obama has to announce that he will be tough now - how will he be able to handle the Repulican machine?

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Bee — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:39:11 GMT

Like it or hate it, media in america has not done this country any good. The last time media did anything good to the political process is the impeachment of Richard Nixxon.

They did their home work by following the money.However, today's media are bunch of lazy ass journalist. They are intellectually lazy to the extent that they would rather take a talking point from a campaign or white house rather than do a little digging.

Whatever happen to investigating journalism is dead. I guess Corporate media ownership are part of the blame.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:41:40 GMT

the polls during the 2004 election were all pretty much going Kerry's way when all of a sudden, he lost.

I still remember Tom Brokaw with the deer in the headlight look asking "What Happened!!!!!!"

so for all the polls that are coming out and for all of Van's polling data, people are going to realize that pollsters must think the average American is pretty stupid. They say tell them what they are thinking, but I am sure they will vote what they feel is right for America.

As far as Hillary is concerned, she should take heed of what happened to Kerry and realize she had better come up with a game plan and soon.......

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:59:40 GMT

".....I hope Obama and Edwards do go after (Hillary Clinton). Americans deserve some answers from this little woman who wants to play with the big boys.
jerry/corpus christi texas (Sent Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:51 AM)....."

Getting a little desperate, are we jerry?
Not to worry, she'll be a good President.

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experience/judgement — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:06:28 GMT

Chris Matthew is Hillary's puppet. We know all know that. Chris belong to Bill Clinton's empire.
Bee (Sent Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:57 AM)

Van,

Who in the right sense of their mind go to daily kos. Another hate mongering site that have nothing to offer America. My work computer won't even allow me to go there.

How about the Rev father from Oakland, as far as i know he is the biggest gay basher ever. The last time i checked he endorse Hillary Clinton. What say you regarding that? Another hypocritical flap from clinton's machine.

By the way, i don't care about Gay Activist because they are part of the problem. Use division to line money in their pocket. We all know how they've all been raising fund quietly for Hillary. Wait another month before we expose all of you.
Bee (Sent Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:01
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Wow I am so impressed with your grammar and spelling on these post Bee. You have come a long way baby!
You get b+ and for staying on topic A-
The average American does not read any of our blog stuff but it is best to try and impress when ever we can.

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Sam Houston, Fargo, N.D. — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:10:16 GMT

!@#$%^&*()_+_)(*&^% Lookie here..hillaryclinton.com

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Interested in stopping stupidity — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:19:39 GMT

Exactly correct 'Stop The Stupidity'. So tell us, in your research, what polls and survey's are the most credible? How many polls and surverys have you inquired and how does one contact the pollster's to ask such questions? Who do we report to if we find the data suspect? Thanks.

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Martin Hapner, Santa Cruz, CA — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:23:48 GMT

Why no GRAVEL in the Debate?

Were his truthful statements about Hillary's voting to give Bush an open ended license to attack Iran, too much for this media channel to allow him to debate....

What happened to freedom of the press?

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Rick,ky — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:36:22 GMT

I have also began to get my news from other than MSNBC. It is become very apparent how much all there so-called news reporter's have shoved themselves up hillary's ass, never peaking out to listen to the REAL VOTER'S.Even keith has become a hillary ass-wiper. It is truly shameful to watch after all these years of watching NBC. Mike in ( denver), that would be an EXCELLENT way to begin on Barack's part, he should'nt wait & let edwards get the jump on him tho. However, i think we all agree, that this is Not a make or break debate for Barack, who gives a sh-t what these hillary ass-wiper's say, we all know better. The gay ole Party got away with saying thing's loud enough & long enough for the last several year's, however, the American voter woke up to that & won't be manipulated again in that way.

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CitizenJ — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:37:56 GMT

"No- I just am able to read and not blinded by a cult of personality.

Why don't you post how people can learn all about Hillary's positions on the issues by going to her OPPONENTS websites again? What was the idea there anyway?

You don't need to be a prophet to see the trendlines of the Obama campaign. You only have to be able to read and do simple math.

I am sure that you too are looking forward to tonight's debate. I can't wait!"

vanreuter, NY NY (Sent Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:24 PM)

Van,

Not blinded by a cult of personality? Perhaps not blinded, but certainly suffering from glaucoma.

I posted those links because others were asking about her positions, and, well, I found some humor in it. If someone was ignorant enough to search there, then that is their problem.

As to being able to read and do simple math, well, projecting polls has as much to do with math as MTV has to do with music.

And yes, of course I am looking forward to tonight's debate.

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nate BOULDER COLORADO — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:42:11 GMT

"A perfect examble of how stupid some people are. But then again I see your from Boulder and that says a lot. You far left idiots are no better than the right wing idiots. Both of you are what's wrong with this country."

Oooh good one.

A perfect example of how to dodge a question you can't answer. At least I put where I was from while you hide behind your so-called search for TRUTH. I debated your statement, only shallow goofballs make general assumptions based on geography. I find them to be the least credible.

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Bee — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:48:56 GMT

experience/judgement aka Van,

I know you are jobless. Stick to the issues. What is your candidate's plan on these issues?

Politics of hope give us the audacity to point out the difference without attacking your candidate's flaw character. If we abandon politics of Hope Clinton can't survive the Primary.

I am expecting Hillary's answer to this question. What is her agenda to the following issues? If her supporters/staffs can't tell me the answer, then they are all bunch of talking head.

Iraq-------?????
Iran-------?????
Energy-----?????
Ethics-----?????
Foreign Policy---?????
Lobbyst influence-----?????
Rural America--------??????
Urban America -------??????

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vanreuter, NY NY — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:53:17 GMT

And yes, of course I am looking forward to tonight's debate.

CitizenJ (Sent Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:37 PM)

Something we can both agree on...:)

Van

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Vince De West Chester OH — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:58:03 GMT

"As far as Hillary is concerned, she should take heed of what happened to Kerry and realize she had better come up with a game plan and soon"

Yeah or we'll have a Hillary light liberal in the White House. The evangelicals are having fits with his wardrobe. HE BETTER HAVE A GAME PLAN TOO!!!

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Experience/judgement aka HP BOSTON — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:02:37 GMT

Oh for Gods sake Bee go Hillary.com if you so need to KNOW her positions. I know them and Obamas so what the heck is your point besides the one on your head!
You are preaching devise politics so troll or repuke we are dismissing your rants.

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Looking for the Truth — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:20:56 GMT

A perfect example of how to dodge a question you can't answer. At least I put where I was from while you hide behind your so-called search for TRUTH. I debated your statement, only shallow goofballs make general assumptions based on geography. I find them to be the least credible.

nate BOULDER COLORADO (Sent Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:42 PM)

Sorry, but Boulder is #4 in the top 10 cities for those with "Far Left/Progressive views" according to The Nation. Not to mention your attitude gives you away.

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Abraham, SF, CA — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:23:41 GMT

John, I agree with you that the media are victim of their laziness. Thus, they rely on the paid pollester to make news. Pathetic!!!

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jerry/corpus chrsiti texas — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:27:51 GMT

I have been to hillaryclinton.com.......

And I am still waiting for answers to my questions...

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Bee — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:42:34 GMT

Experience/judgement aka HP BOSTON,

Finally you show your true color. Obviously, you are as deceptive as Hilly Clinton.

Why can't you tell me where she stand? More of the same won't get her elected. I have been to her website, i see nothing but fluffs. The only policy that make sense is Healthcare the rest are vague.

See, if you can't even mention where she stands on issues, how do expect millions of America to know? Wait till you see more ad goes up in NH. I can't wait till the ad start rolling.

If you guys think she has this nomination rap up, think again. We're just getting started.

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CitizenJ — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:54:07 GMT

"Something we can both agree on...:)"

vanreuter, NY NY (Sent Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:53 PM)

I knew we would find it someday.

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In search of a coward- aka Nate BOULDER COLORADO — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:15:40 GMT

Sorry, but Boulder is #4 in the top 10 cities for those with "Far Left/Progressive views" according to The Nation. Not to mention your attitude gives you away.

NUMBER 4?!!! WOW THAT'S AWSOME!!!!!! You're some kind of slueth. It seems you know an awful lot about this stuff. Why do these demographics of "progressives" interest you so much? Where does your city fit? And you still never answered my question about the FOX blogashere. You rant on and on about MSNBC yet here you are indulging in their effort to give you free speech. The very thing you complain about being 'imbalanced' (like a broken record) is the very thing that is allowing you to express your views. I'd say thats fair. Where's FOX hun?

Nuff said.

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Crystal (Time for change) — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:34:04 GMT

Bee wrote:

"If you guys think she has this nomination rap up, think again. We're just getting started."

Here, here Bee, I don't think that people realize Obama had less than 25% of support up to a month before the election when he started his run for US Senate, when people got to hear his message, he ended up with 80-90% support. People better look out!!!

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CitizenJ — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:02:52 GMT

"Something we can both agree on...:)"

vanreuter, NY NY (Sent Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:53 PM)

I knew we would find it someday.

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gravel kucinich paul nader — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:04:36 GMT

Todd GE MSNBC DNC will not stop us - look outside at $1,000,000.00 & MORE people than IN hall

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Stacy S., Medford OR — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:16:12 GMT

The only reason another candidate can "steal" the spotlight is because the MSM shines their spotlight on celebrity candidates instead of candidates of substance.

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John B, Des Moines, IA — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:39:36 GMT

Stop the stupidity; Here http://people-press.org/about/ is where you can start to research the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press. I already know who they are. They are nonpartisan. Your complaint is mere disregard for results with which you do not agree. BTW, you can take the survey yourself online. There are no questions that are open to interpretation or subjective in nature. FACT; Fox News viewers know less about current events than people who get their facts from almost any other source. REAL LIFE EXAMPLE; Yesterday my wife was severely reprimanded by 5 Republicans for disagreeing with their statement that Barack Obama is a Muslim. They all heard it on Fox News as well as a variety of talk radio programs so it must be true. Obama is hiding it very well since he's been a member of the same United Church of Christ congregation for over 20 years.

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H P — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:41:09 GMT

The media is at fault for their laziness in reporting and we must always remember that all information is manipulated and we must read between the lines. Right now the only people benefiting from all this is the news media.
John S. Alexander, Edinboro, PA (Sent Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:19 PM)

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correct you are John, I give up on this driveling group. See ya at the real polls. Vote early and often.

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DMK — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:11:13 GMT

I am disappointed that MSNBC has decided to exclude Mike Gravel from its October 30th, 2007 debate. I think that Mike Gravel made important contributions to the debates in which he was included. He was the first candidate to point out Hillary Clinton's vote in favor of declaring Iran's Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization as well as Barrack Obama's absence from this important vote.

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Sam Nunn fan — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:10:27 GMT

what about Steve Colbert? He is a fitting addition to the line-up of jokes running for the Dem nomination.

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Richard, Washington State — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:26:05 GMT

I quit watching MSNBC for the simple reason that they employ Keith Olbermann.

Meanwhile, it looks like the country is being set up to hate our president for at least another four year term beginning in January, 2009 when Hillary takes office. From what I can tell, she will start the first day with a 30% approval rating.

Democrats who held their noses to elect her will quickly go back to their MoveOn and Kos world and the other 48-49% who wouldn't vote for her under any circumstances will still feel the same.

Maybe after one term we can call it all even for the Bush and Clinton families and truly move on to find a fresh face to hate.

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Abraham, SF, CA — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:34:23 GMT

I was watching Chris Mathews right now and I lost any respect for him. He is pathetically Hilary and the guests in the show there is no qualification for them in the english dictionnary. I am sorry for the MSNBC

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Richard, Washington State — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:01:07 GMT

Sam Nunn fan:

How dare you insult Stephen Colbert by implying he would be a fitting addition to the Dem jokes!

I have no doubt he leans left but he's really funny and completely in another league.

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Bob Freels bridgeville DE — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:37:47 GMT

john S. Alexander, I think you are right about the news media. they want to pick fights between all the candidates so they will have news for their bussinesses. Egging on a fight between combatants from the side lines is their job. The voters have not spoken yet and the media think they can pat themselvs on the back if they confuse the voter with their spin. if the candidates take tthe bait they will lose. Chris Mathews wants Hill and Barack to get nasty with each other to satisfy him. I would say they should throw cold watr on the news by saying she has her campaign and he has his campaign and may the best man or woman win.

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Alabama — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:25:23 GMT

I can't get the live stream of the debate from MSNBC.com. Why?

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Dorothy N.Y. — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:42:36 GMT

Andrea Mitchell just called Hillary Clinton Supporters Schlitz drinkers and Obama supporters wine drinkers! It is FALSE and shows her low standards and unprofessionalism. She should be shown the door immediately!