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Crystal (Time for change) — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:09:06 GMT

That is retarded!!They should really just take that down, that will hurt her campaign!!

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Tuck,Realiltyville, KS — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:10:59 GMT

you mean pointing out obama's hypocrisy is wrong?

LOL,

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vanreuter, NY NY — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:11:57 GMT

New ARG polls have Clinton SURGING ahead in Iowa by double digits!

IA:
Clinton 32
Obama 22
Edwards 15

NH:
Clinton 40
Obama 22
Edwards 10

SC:
Clinton 41
Obama 19
Edwards 18

http://americanresearchgroup.com/

Great news going into the debate! Look at Edwards in Ia. You have to sympathize, he's been running there so hard and it's beginning to look like he won't even be a factor there.

Van

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Bee — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:13:03 GMT

No, that strategy will not work. They need to hold her responsible on the issues. Obama has already said he won't go after her character but will hold her reponsible for her vote on the big issues.

Social Security
Iran
Iraq
Health Care
Lobbyst
Energy

If they go after the issues that distinguish them from one another, then i think it is a fair game.

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Lewis, Cincinnati, Ohio — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:14:25 GMT

Even you Clinton supporters CANNOT agree with this type of stragedy!! Differences in policy are NOT political attacks!! Let's have a real policy debate!! Clinton should welcome this.

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Crystal (Time for change) — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:17:36 GMT

I agree with you Bee!! Just because you distinguish yourself does not mean it is an attack!! That is ridiculous!!

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experience/judgement — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:23:58 GMT

Bee honey They will point out the votes Obama was not
responsible enough to show up for and do his job! He missed many votes and voted for funding the war!
He gives NO details on anything! Poor guy is running out of gas, no energy, no bills, no votes, no voters. So sad, too bad, he is toast. Obama lite. He needs a good drag on a cigarette to calm his self for the big debate, he is a poor debater. Makes good revival speeches, lacks experience.

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Mike K, Denver — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:25:14 GMT

Thanks for the SPAM, Van.

I wish someone in Hillary's camp would look up the word "debate". Disagreeing with her political stances on the issues and her votes on the floor of the Senate is NOT, I repeat, NOT an attack of Hillary Clinton. It's an attack of what she stands for. Not the same thing. Not even close. It is a political campaign. They have a right and responsibility to attack her positions and highlight their own in the process. It's worked like this for centuries, it shouldn't change now.

Hillary needs to get used to getting it from all sides. I can guarantee that if she wins the nomination, she hasn't SEEN what a personal attack sounds like yet.

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Tuck,Realiltyville, KS — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:27:21 GMT

hmm, saying one thing and doing another, Obama's method, is just fine with the Obamaites...

Talk about blinders... were you all bushies before you converted?

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Mike K, Denver — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:27:43 GMT

<<Bee honey They will point out the votes Obama was not
responsible enough to show up for and do his job! He missed many votes and voted for funding the war!
He gives NO details on anything! Poor guy is running out of gas, no energy, no bills, no votes, no voters. So sad, too bad, he is toast. Obama lite. He needs a good drag on a cigarette to calm his self for the big debate, he is a poor debater. Makes good revival speeches, lacks experience. >>

And right now, I am willing to give him a chance to learn and to keep all options on the table (remember, a lack of experience means you're more willing to LISTEN) than Hillary who'll just keep things as they are now. Explain to me again how she even qualifies as a Democrat?

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Steven, Surprise, Arizona — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:27:49 GMT

I'm curios... why is it that American politicians are so afraid of 'going after someone's character?' I thought we were electing the President of the United States; character is KING. One can challenge the character without being nasty... just make sure you show people in video and not sound bites or little 'written quotes.' I know that her character is in question to me. I'm not forgetting that her husband disgraced himself and the office with immoral conduct. What does that say about a spouse? She should have come out and took a stand when her husband was playing around... now THATs character! Food for thought from a fellow Dem...

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Jimmy, the Pee-Nut, Carter, Plains, GA — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:29:12 GMT

Let the snarking leftists destroy one another, and it's not even Christmas yet. But thank you, Santa, for the early toys of joy.

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Justin, Gainesville FL — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:29:14 GMT

"you mean pointing out obama's hypocrisy is wrong?"

Well somebody can't tell the difference between raising legitimate concerns along with pointing out legitimate differences and personal attacks. No, I'm not talking about Hillary in this instance (although it's clear she's incapable of making that distinction as well).

Anybody who claims Obama is "attacking" Hillary or "abandoning the politics of hope" is pulling a page right out of Rove's handbook.

It's time for Hillary, the DLC, and other conservative, right-centrist Democrats to be honest with the rest of us. They're better suited as the left-leaning contingent in the far-right Republican party, because that's what their policies and actions indicate they are best described as.

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Obamasupporter, NYC — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:29:39 GMT

Well said ,Mike K. and Bee!

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Doug Crimm — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:32:45 GMT

I do not think that candidates trying to bring out issues for the voters is an attack. It seems that HRC's campaign response to every question about issues is referencing the politics of hope. If she is going to be an agent of change then she should be prepared to say how.

It is wrong to suggest that saying how you would fix Social Security or the US foreign policy is "speaking in hypotheticals". The voters deserve more and HRC is simply trying to pull a Bush-Rove move by avoiding the issues and evading detailed policy discussions in lieu of meaningless sound bites.

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AP from IL — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:32:59 GMT

So Obama can't question anything Hillary does without "abandoning the politics of hope?" How stupid is that? Every time her camp uses that as some sort of defense, which is constantly, they look like huge whining babies. It's impossible for candidates to avoid sparring over issues and voters understand and expect that. Please Obama, take her down tonight. I'm completely sick of her.

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Bee — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:33:52 GMT

Here is the true poll numbers regarding IOWA

University of IOWA hawkeye poll.

OCT AUG MAR
CLINTON 28.9 24 28.5
OBAMA 26.6 19. 19.3
EDWARDS 20.0 26.0 34.2
RICHARD 7.2 9.4 *
BIDEN 5.3 * *
DON’T KNOW 8.9 14.4 12.5
OTHERS 3.3 4.1 5.5

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Bee — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:36:49 GMT

Judgement/Experence

Why is your candidate scared of debating issues? I know the answer she doesn't want to talk about it because she can win that kind of debate.

I suspect the clinton campaign will do anything to distort the facts. Issues are the most important thing in this campaign.

Can any of Clinton's supporter tell me her position on the issues highlighted above?

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CitizenJ — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:39:08 GMT

"you mean pointing out obama's hypocrisy is wrong?"
Tuck,Realiltyville, KS (Sent Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:10 AM)

It should come as no surprise to us that the person who claims to be from Realityville is one who is nowhere near reality.

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experience/judgment — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:39:29 GMT

Thanks for the poll numbers Van.
I wish someone in the Obama camp would look up the word Debate. Disagreeing with his political stances on the issues and his votes on the floor of the Senate is NOT, I repeat Not an attack of Barak Obama. It's an attack of what he stands for. Not the same thing. Not even close. It is a political campaign. They have the right and responsibility to attack his positions and highlight their own in the process.
Obama needs to get used to getting it from all sides. I can guarantee that if he is nominated, he hasn't SEEN what a PERSONAL ATTACK SOUNDS LIKE.

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experience/judgement — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:39:47 GMT

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experience/judgement — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:41:49 GMT

Sure we can Bee, can you tell me the positions of your candidate?
Mine is on top yours is on the bottom.

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Will Gibbs — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:42:07 GMT

If Hillary is the most experienced candidate then she should welcome a substantive debate on the issues. However, she is more focused on the campaign spin than telling voters what she thinks. It is very much like Dubya's campaigns/presidency.

Obama, Edwards and Biden have all be very detailed in what they would do if elected. Why does Hillary Clinton feel that she does not have to tell us where she stands?

Hillary treats every question like it is an attack. The does not bode well for bringing the partisan divides if she were elected. If Hillary is elected President we will see a further diminishing of civility/respect in Washington and an overall escalation in the great divide that has come between people and parties in our country.

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P Derry, Rockville, MD — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:44:38 GMT

It's not only her opponents lack of criticism of Hillary, but it is the inability of the debate moderators to get her to take a real position on anything. What is her position on the war in Iraq? What is her position on invading Iran? What is her position on increasing the tax on higher income earners to shore up Social Security? How does she propose to pay for her health care plan? She has never answered any of these qquestions; she is glib and facile and totally evasive, just like her husband. Until someone pins her down, she will continue to play the role of all things to all people and the debates will continue not to matter.

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CitizenJ — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:45:41 GMT

Bee honey They will point out the votes Obama was not
responsible enough to show up for and do his job! He missed many votes and voted for funding the war!
"He gives NO details on anything! Poor guy is running out of gas, no energy, no bills, no votes, no voters. So sad, too bad, he is toast. Obama lite. He needs a good drag on a cigarette to calm his self for the big debate, he is a poor debater. Makes good revival speeches, lacks experience."
experience/judgement (Sent Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:23 AM)

He missed votes, she made the wrong ones.
He voted to fund the war, she didn't. Oh wait, yeah she did.

"Poor guy is running out of gas, no energy, no bills, no votes, no voters."
"Poor" guy has $70 million. "No votes, no voters." That's because nobody has voted yet.

"Obama lite".
So he is a lite version of himself? I don't understand. But you probably don't either.

"He needs a good drag on a cigarette to calm his self for the big debate"
And you, my friend, need to stop taking drags on whatever it is you are smoking so you can stop embarassing yourself.

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Brian, Cedar Hill, TX — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:46:16 GMT

I like Obama and Edwards both, but they're showing their desparation by becoming what they said they will never do. Face it folks, Hillary tops them all in intelligence, experience and just plain political savvy, and the first-laddy is a tremendous asset. It's a helluva strong team.

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experience/judgement — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:47:21 GMT

Sure we can Bee, can you tell me the positions of your candidate?
Mine is on top yours is on the bottom.

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Dot, Illinois — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:53:52 GMT

"I can guarantee that if she wins the nomination she hasn't SEEN what a personal attack sounds like yet."
Mike, Denver

Oh man, you've got that right! It is not going to be pretty if she wins the nomination. Will not show our country at its best.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:53:54 GMT

Bee - Can you tell me anyone's positions on anything? Honestly, your whole purpose here seems to be to rant and rave about Hillary. Do you even give a damn what any of the other candidates says or do you only care that Hillary does not get the nomination?

It's a legitimate question, one that could be asked of many people on First Read who seem to spend day after day writing post after post bitching (yes I said a bad word, sue me) about how rotten Hillary is. On behalf of everyone here who actually cares about news and issues - WE GET IT! You don't like her. That's great, really. Do you have anything else to contribute to any discussion other than various versions of "Hillary sucks"? And the same can be said for the rabid Hillary supporters - do they have anything to say other than "Hillary will win"? Do they care about anything other than seeing Hillary get the nomination?

In reading the comments here, it is almost always about Hillary vs. <insert candidate name here> and rarely anything of substance. It's post after post of what Hillary has done wrong, followed by post after post of why that doesn't matter anyway. It's like this on most threads on First Read. And it's ridiculous. Don't you all have other things on your mind besides the horse race? I know I do.

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John S. Alexander, Edinboro, PA — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:00:58 GMT

It is not surprising that the numbers are tightening in the race, it happens all the time. What is bad is that the media has spent very little time reporting on all the candidates and focused exclusivly on the front runners. Many people on this site have already chosen their candidate and refuse to see that right now there has been only polls that put them in the front. lets see what comes out of the first voting and then decide where to go, right now it is just so much hot air.

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Bee — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:06:54 GMT

HAhahahaha! see even Hillary position is not clear to her supporter. What a shame?

I know where all the candidate stands except for Hillary Clinton. If the clinton supporters can't point to where she stands on issues, how do we expect average Americans to know?

Hillary Clinton cannot be trusted.

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JeanneGA — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:07:36 GMT

It seems so many here are terrified of the Clintons. Good, then they'll kick some republicans ass and end up in the White House again. Thank God!!

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Tuck,Realiltyville, KS — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:12:07 GMT

hypocrisy , dear obamaites, is when you say you won't go negative won't attack but you do once you realize your poll numbers are in the toilet.

Here's a fact for all you obamites...
the president doesn't structure SS, that's congress's job... and IF obama had worked on it in this 18 months in the senate, MAYBE he'd know that.

but he's been running for prez since the day he became a senator.

ambition is fine, but please some experience first.

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Just noticing how stupid people can be — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:13:12 GMT

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Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:15:10 GMT

Hillary is winning and is by far the best candidate to run against the dirty campaigning repubs.Cant wait til shes the president.

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Betty, Baltimore, MD — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:16:39 GMT

"I like Obama and Edwards both, but they're showing their desparation by becoming what they said they will never do."

They never said they wouldn't campaign and actually call-out their opponent's inability to take a real position. There is no dissonance between being optimistic and calling-out an opponent.

Neither Obama or Edwards are "attacking" they are um, "running for President."

Hillary is a cynical, awful candidate and everyone knows it.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:19:09 GMT

Uhhh Tuck:

Considering your gal is coming out saying that she is going to do quite a bit of changing, you might be wise to point out to your gal that, yes, congress does set the agenda, not the president.

I can see why she hasn't come out with any ideas, I would suspect a fight in congress about some of the wacked out ideas that Hillary has so far offered, not counting those she had to pull due to being ridiculed.

From the 2-3 ideas she has officially come out with, I can see her battles with congress has only just begun.

But that is all fantasy right now, she hasn't won the election, contrary what her staff and Van thinks.

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VL North Carolina — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:22:13 GMT

I would like for Hillary to show WHEN and WHERE Obama has attacked her personally. If this is the best Hillary can do then she shouldn't Debate. And IF she gets the Nomination, the Republicans will tear her apart PERSONALLY.

P.S. Just saying he wasn't there to vote on the Lieber-Kyl bill isn't going to excuse her JUDGEMENT for voting for it...
People know the circumstances behind the vote know that Sen. Reid tabled the bill for the day (Obama was there when it first came to floor) and when Obama left for New Hampshire; Sen. Reid "mysteriously" put the bill on the floor when Obama is too far from DC to make in back (Dirty). Sen. Clinton had the advantage through cut-throat politics (Both Reid and Clinton has a great friendship>>>Sen. Reid's son is on the Clinton Campaign) and you know what---SHE STILL GOT THE VOTE WRONG.<<Hillary fans can't refute that fact it was live on C-SPAN

Obama several times spoke out about "what was wrong with the bill". The phrasing of the bill gives loopholes to the President to equate "troop levels" with "Iran". Obama does agree with the STATE DEPARTMENT labling the Iranian Guard as terrorist (STATE DEPT. is part of the Executive Branch "not" a part of congress) Thus, the "Blank Check" statement that Obama gave is true.

And after she took heat for the vote, she jumped on Sen. Webb's bill without Webb's knowledge. Where is the judgement??

Hillary wants to diffuse the argument by saying Obama wasn't there, but Obama had took a postion on the issue publicly before the bill was on the floor (Lieber-Kyl bill) and publicly pointed out the "loopholes" in the bill. Publicly taking a position IS the same as voting. People like to take statements and use them to their advantage. Hillary didn't make any public reservations about the bill and voted YES to it. So she is stuck only with that vote as her answer to that issue.

If this ad is the "best" that Hillary has, this is a sign of weakness.......

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Red Sox Nation — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:24:37 GMT

Mike in Denver, you are so correct Hill hasn't a clue as to what she is in for if she wins the nomination.

Rockies S#@$
That is an attack

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CitizenJ — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:25:27 GMT

"Here's a fact for all you obamites...
the president doesn't structure SS, that's congress's job... and IF obama had worked on it in this 18 months in the senate, MAYBE he'd know that."

Tuck,Realiltyville, KS (Sent Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:12 PM)

Tuck,

The president can't pass healthcare legislation either, and a First Lady damn sure can't pass it. So why talk about it?

The president can't pass immigration reform legislation, so why talk about it?

News flash: the president cannont pass ANY legislation.

What is the source of your disdain for Obama, as it is clear that it is not based on any real knowledge of the candidate.

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Not A Lemming — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:27:49 GMT

Oh wow! I see the far left wingers are planning on helping yet another right wingnut into the White House again.Then they will whine and complain about how bad things are.Good plan guys!! How about just voting democratic...
Just noticing how stupid people can be (Sent Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:13 PM)

How about be a Lemming and follow me over the cliff.

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Bee — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:28:01 GMT

Here's a fact for all you obamites...
the president doesn't structure SS, that's congress's job... and IF obama had worked on it in this 18 months in the senate, MAYBE he'd know that

--------------------------------------------------

Your comments here sugest how naive you are about political process. It is the job of the president to tenda his agenda to the congress and congress will act on it in good faith.

We vote for president based on their agenda they intend to pursue if elected.

Please, don't tell me it the job of congress to set the agenda on the most important issues like the social security. Don't tell me congress must set the agenda for the President. Bush set his agenda by giving the american people "Tax Cut" and congress vote on it.

I guess a vote for Hillary will only make her a lame duck since she doen't have a single agenda to pursue apart from Health care.

Foreign Policy -- No agenda
Iraq -------------No agenda
Social Security---No agenda
Energy------------No agenda
Education---------No agenda
Ethic Reform -----No agenda
Lobbyst---------- Agenda
Rural Revitilization---- Lobbyst agenda

The questions is, what is her agenda for the America people? Enough of fluffs and Bush bashing.

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Tyrone Stevens, Cornell University — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:30:43 GMT

Did anyone else notice how Senator Obama decided to go after Senator Clinton"s candor? He was aked the question and he put great effort in to make the charge that She's not open about her views. He needs to elaborate and build the argument. She's a careful politician. Another timid leader who will cave in to politics as usual because that is what perpetuates her power in a time when we need big change. He can build the case further to substantive issues like Social Security where Clinton gave a non answer in the last debate in New Hampshire. On Iran although he definetely has no excuse for issing the vote. If he believed in what he's saying he absolutely should have been fighting for it because it's such an important issue-I don't care about the vote tally. But I digress. And finally he needs to make the distinction onf Iraq war support prior to the invasion more clearly and directly. I get it, he does not like attack politics. It's not in his DNA. But on this issue he needs to turn to Mrs. Clinton in tonights debate and say to her, "Senator Clinton, you did not vote to send President Bush to the United Nations in 2002. You voted for war. Everyone knew that Bush and Cheney were not seeking authority to go to the United Nations they were seeking authority to use force against Iraq with that vote. The hawks didn't just include Bush and Cheney but men like Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Karl Rove, and Douglas Feicht whom you chose to trust you trusted officials like Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld who had already testified that Saddam must be removed by military force in the 1990s. You made the case of an operational link between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda, which was one of the most dubious claims from the beginning. You accepted the idea of launching a war and occupation in the heart of the Middle East at a time when the world lived and coninues to live in heightened fear and ignorance. As a legislator you relinquished your constitutional responsibility to declare war and defend checks and balances. Your judgement on the most important issue of the day was dead wrong. I was opposed to the war from the beginning because of the consequences it might entail both for our security and our prestige and the pains of the casualty figures from an occupation filled with uncertainty." He'll have to cut that down of course but his argument has always been stronger than hers and the media is very nonchalant about it even considering how important it is. He will have to defend the politics of hope by saying, "the politics of hope does not mean you always agree with Senator Clinton. If fewer people had agreed with Senator Clinton in 2002 we would not be at war in Iraq." Just some unsolicited advice Mr. Obama...

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Not so foolish as you — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:32:04 GMT

Hillary is winning and is by far the best candidate to run against the dirty campaigning repubs.Cant wait til shes the president.
G (Sent Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:15 PM)

Obviously no intelligence here from the promoter of the Queen of Dirt and the Party of dirty politics.

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Aidyn, NY, NY — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:43:54 GMT

This is exctacly why Hillary is so smart, she played at their own games. Great Job Hillary!!

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Better tahn all the rest — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:44:06 GMT

DOT..Our country has not been showing it's best since we had a Clinton in the WH. IT IS TIME FOR ANOTHER CLINTON.

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WAE, Atlanta, GA — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:45:28 GMT

Hillary...What a joke! She was elected to the Senate because of Bill,and she is a presidential wanna be because to Bill! Take Bill out of the picture and she is a lawyer in Little Rock! Can anyone who supports Hillary share one good reason why she is qualified, or better still....what accomplishments as a Senator she has made?

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Experience/judgement — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:47:02 GMT

CitizenJ I do not smoke, Obama does, and I am not your friend. That would embarrass me!

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Better than all the rest — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:50:25 GMT

DOT..Our country has not been showing it's best since we had a Clinton in the WH. IT IS TIME FOR ANOTHER CLINTON.

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Jesse, Burnsville, MN — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:55:21 GMT

The Democratic sheeple supporting Clinton are just as bad as the Republican sheeple still supporting Bush. It's always about I win, you lose, instead of about what is right for this country. She will NOT unite us. I am a very strong Democrat and there are only two Democratic candidates less "Presidential" than Hillary and they are Dennis K. and Gravel.

Either Obama/Edwards '08 or Edwards/Obama '08

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:56:33 GMT

The Hillary camp must be quaking in their boots if the only thing that they can come up with is "he promised not to say anything bad about us." What a joke. They realize that they don't represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic party and that's who they need to win the primary. Hopefully, they're finally going to be called on their duplicity and lack of right to represent the Democrats.

Funny thing is that they don't have the Republicans either (who they need in the general election). Now this will sound like Jimmy's conversations with Amy, in the 1980 debate with Ronnie but my daughter is 17 and not 11 (and is someone who I think will be the POTUS one day - on her own merits).
Allison: Dad I'm worried about the election.
Dad: Me too. (as I'm shoving a piece of pizza down my yap.) What's bothering you.
Allison: Well if Hillary wins the nomination, she won't win the election.
Dad: I agree but what's your take. (I start on the mild wings).
Allison: Well, the Republicans don't like her or Bill and they will never vote for her. And with her position on the war she'll lose the Democrats as well.
Dad: (after a slug of water, I gave up soda a while ago and I don't drink). You're right she's unelectable. And even if she does win the general election she'll lose the Congress for us.
Allison: Well, I hope that Obama does well tomorrow night (this was last night's dinner brought to us by Domino's since my wife had an accounting test and my culinary skills are limited to breakfast items and stuff on the grill) or we'll be in trouble.
Dad: You've got that right, my sweet daughter.
.....Cut, print....Look, this is a true story.

Well, the truth is the Republicans do hate the Clintons as they see them as the epitome of tax and spend liberals (as erroneous as that pronouncement may be) and they see Hillary as the poster child for a liberal social agenda (which I happen to support). In any case, she will bring those ants out of their hill like a lump of sugar and probably even more than when Karl had the anti-gay marriage amendment put on eleven state ballots in 2004. The nomination of Hillary as the Democratic candidate for the presidency will be the gift that keeps on giving to the Republicans.

On the left, anti-war people like me, could never vote for Hillary because of her Bush-lite war position (be it sincere or a representation of the politics of expediency - both reasons equally repulsive to me). I know that I speak for many who will either sit out the election or vote for a third party with Hillary as the Democratic nominee. Probably the latter is a better option because it might help us to retain control of the Congress.

In any case, I can only echo Allison's thoughts. I sure hope that Obama does well tonight. David, let go, cut the cord.
Obama '08

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csh, IL — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:57:01 GMT

Bee – Please explain to me how some polls are valid and some are not. All of the most recent Iowa polls show Hillary ahead. And how about all the NH and national polls showing her with a commanding and growing lead? Get a grip girl, – your hatred of Hillary has overtaken your ability to rationalize!

It should sadden the Obama and Edwards supporters that they are so far behind Hillary that they have no choice but to go negative. Maybe they should find another way to jump start their failing campaigns then resorting to attacks and distortions.

In the meantime, Hillary will rise above all the attacks, lies and distortions – just as she has done against the GOP for the last 15 years.

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Jazzbeaux Beiderbecke Jackson Hole, Wy — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:58:14 GMT

I have no questions for Hillary Clinton.
I know where she stands on every thing of interest to me.
All talk to the contrary, social security, Iran, Iraq etc, is meaningless and insignificant---except to those grasping candidates and their dazed followers who look at scary polls and conclude that their only chance is to attack the leader and hope for a change in the numbers, that a decline in one area will mean advance in another.
Nonsense.
The personalities and beliefs of all the candidates have been put on display; most of them have been found inadequate, but one, just one, stands out.

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Jesse, Burnsville, MN — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:59:00 GMT

One thing Hillary supporters may not understand either is how caucuses work. You can ultimately pick your second choice for your vote. People who tend to support Obama and Edwards seem to have a preference for the other candidate as their second choice, not Clinton. I can assure you that if I lived in Iowa and was caucusing and I supported Edwards, yet Obama was closer to beating Hillary in my precinct, I would be switching over to Obama.

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F STLouis — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:00:43 GMT

Ah I think Obama started the ridiculous Bush lite argument....which ANYONE being lumped with George Bush in any way is a HUGE insult. So yea, Obama insulted her personally.

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J. Merle Stanley, Erstchester, NY — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:03:40 GMT

jerry......Hillary's your next Commander in Chief.
Get over it ya' inbred old fart.

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Real Democrat, CA — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:05:27 GMT

Poor Hillary...being victimized by those bad men again. What a crock! HRC can dish it out but she sure can't take it. Americans want to know where she really stands on issues, not her poll-tested soundbites. Thus far she has evaded answering tough questions and instead she has resorted to copying themes from other candidates.

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Joe, DC — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:17:02 GMT

Bee: Why are the U. of Iowa poll results the "true poll" numbers and the ARG results not? Take a look at the average of the last 5 Iowa polls (realclearpolitics.com)--Sen. Clinton by 7+ %. The Iowa poll you find so comforting is the outlier.

VL: Obama attacked Sen. Clinton in the NYT on Sunday calling her a liar. By the way, Sen. Obama was co-sponsoring a bill to name the Iranian Guard as a terrorist group a few months back. So who's the real liar now? And contrary to your claim, Obama took no public position on the bill before it was passed. It wasn't until nine hours later, after a Democratic debate, that he finally piped up. Sen. Clinton, on the other hand, worked vigorously to have the original language changed to remove wording that--unlike the bill that was passed (have you read it?)--did arguably authorize military intervention.

So, you and Obama think we should not attack Iran (I agree) and we should not impose severe sanctions (I strongly disagree). So what's your plan to keep Iran from getting nukes--sit around a campfire and sing Kumbaya and hope Ahmadinajed and his masters change their mind about acquiring nukes?

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Daniel, NY — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:21:07 GMT

Other good news for Clinton: she beats GOP candidates in New York with 70% of the vote!!!! Link: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2007/10/morning-polls-so-much-for-giulianis.html

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Bee — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:32:11 GMT

This debate is not about politics of hope. Enough talking point. I notice bunch of Clinton bloggers talking about politics of hope...i guess Mark Penn just finished training you morons about changing the issues.

FYI: The real issue is simple, where is clinton's agenda regarding this issue highlighted.

Foreign Policy -- No agenda
Iraq -------------No agenda
Social Security---No agenda
Energy------------No agenda
Education---------No agenda
Ethic Reform -----No agenda
Lobbyst---------- Agenda
Rural Revitilization---- Lobbyst agenda

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Bee — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:37:19 GMT

After reading most of the comments coming from Van and his entourage who don't even understand how to interpret polls number with margin of error. I have decided not to comment because they are as bad as Clinton.

My question is simple. Where does your candidate stand on these issues? If you can't tell me, then, you are not worth paying attentin to. You can winne all you want, agenda is how the POTUS is going to be elected. It is not based on name recognition.

Foreign Policy -- No agenda
Iraq -------------No agenda
Social Security---No agenda
Energy------------No agenda
Education---------No agenda
Ethic Reform -----No agenda
Lobbyst---------- Agenda
Rural Revitilization---- Lobbyst agenda

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New Independent — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:37:28 GMT

I hope someone brings up the question as to why none of the presidential candidates, and especially the New York representatives have not said anything about Governor Spitzer's intention to now give out three New York licenses. (One top tier - which can be used to cross the Mexican and Canadian border, the second tier which is just for citizens but cannot be used to cross the borders, and the third for ILLEGAL aliens!) At the same time they are handing out these driver's licenses, they will also hand the person a voter registration application. Only the driver's license is necessary as proof of citizenship!! What a joke! Governor Spitzer says that ILLEGAL aliens know that applying for voter registration is illegal if you are not a citizen and therefore, they won't apply. Are you kidding me? They already broke the law Governor! They are here ILLEGALLY!!! But no one is bringing this up! I hope someone questions them on this! Something needs to be done! The majority of NEw Yorkers do NOT want this!

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CitizenJ — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:45:01 GMT

"CitizenJ I do not smoke, Obama does, and I am not your friend. That would embarrass me!"

Experience/judgement (Sent Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:47 PM)

Experience/judgement,

Obama DID smoke. And is that a disqualifier for President?

As to being friends, I can understand why you wouldn't want to be friends with someone who employs reason and competence. I doubt I would really fit in with your crowd.

And something tells me, judging by the quality of your posts, that there is little that would embarass you.

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Jesse, Burnsville, MN — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:47:12 GMT

Tell me Hillary supporters, what incentive would I as a strong Democrat have to vote if it were Clinton vs. Giuliani? They are the SAME person! Both Republican Lite and both people who don't give a damn about uniting our country. Hillary says she is all about change, but what exactly does she want to change. NOTHING! Fellow Democrats, let's give ourselves an option for real, positive change where we the people are once again in control of our country's destiny!

Obama or Edwards '08

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James — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:09:18 GMT

You mean Bill Clinton right? He is not running for president, Hillary is. She does not possess the same charisma as her husband. He helped pass a number of bills under a Republican congress. Are there any bills you can think of that was co-sponsored by Hillary Clinton that passed in her 7 years as Senator?
If not what makes you think she can do it if she becomes President? Tough question? Yes indeed but you need to think it about if you are thinking about voting for her.

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:10:11 GMT

Right on Jesse and the point that you made before, about horsetrading between Obama and Edward caucus attendees, is well taken. My prediction is that good sense will prevail and one of them (and although I support Obama, I could go with either) will, through a united effort, hand Hillary a resounding defeat in Iowa.
Obama '08

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Bee — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:23:08 GMT

Jesse, Burnsville, MN,

You don't have any incentive of voting for Hillary Clinton. I don't have any incentive of voting her either. She cannot be trusted on any issues.

Let use see what the talking head have to to offer regarding her stand on the issues.

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pat huntington ny — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:31:35 GMT

The following is a roundtable of ideas of the GOP front runners and what they bring to the table:

Rudy brings his prostate and the remains of a 9-11 victim;
Mitt brings phony family values and his special religous underwear;
Thompson brings the latest DVD of Law & Order;
McCain brings some geritol.

Ah, yes, this is what the other side has to offer.

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Crystal (Time for change) — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:35:24 GMT

F STLouis says,

"Ah I think Obama started the ridiculous Bush lite argument....which ANYONE being lumped with George Bush in any way is a HUGE insult. So yea, Obama insulted her personally"

Oh please, he said that in response to her calling him "naive". That is a blatent disrespectful comment to make on anyone. "Naive"? I mean really.

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Tuck,Realiltyville, KS — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:05:06 GMT

So bee how much does the gop pay ya?

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Bee — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:20:56 GMT

I think Obama is right to call her Bush-Chenney lyte. She get so scared to the extent that Bill Clinton was used to quench the fire.

I want the same to happen going forward. The clintons want to have it both way. Sorry, that ain't gonna happen. Obama must call her out on issues when she is wrong.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:21:33 GMT

Crystal - And questioning someone's integrity is showing respect? I mean really!

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Bob,NY,NY — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:30:14 GMT

Pat in Huntington

I can't wait to after the 2008 elections when Hilary will be back representing you and ass kiss Van Reuter in New York. See how much you love the carpetbagger then. You and Hills can head down Route 110 to Lord and Taylor and go shopping together. Looks like you have been taking those speed bumps in the mall parking lot a little too fast.

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MK,MO — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:30:21 GMT

New Independent / 'I hope someone brings up the question as to why none of the presidential candidates, and especially the New York representatives have not said anything about Governor Spitzer's intention to now give out three New York licenses. (One top tier - which can be used to cross the Mexican and Canadian border, the second tier which is just for citizens but cannot be used to cross the borders, and the third for ILLEGAL aliens!) At the same time they are handing out these driver's licenses, they will also hand the person a voter registration application. Only the driver's license is necessary as proof of citizenship!! What a joke! Governor Spitzer says that ILLEGAL aliens know that applying for voter registration is illegal'

if this is correct we should all be very concerned, the democratic party has been labeled as being pro illegal alien, hillary being the most outspoken supporter of an open border, a lot of people in this country think people should enter this country through legal channels, me being one of them.

the republicans want the illegal's here for slave labor, the dems apparently think they may vote for them or something, a candidate that forcefully takes a stance against people walking into our country illegally will find some americans who will vote for them.

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andrea, washington dc — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:33:34 GMT

I am so sick and tired of people wanting there to be a blood bath between Hillary and Obama. It's ridiculous. The truth is what a team these two would make. Obama has his whole political career ahead of him. He needs to run a check on his ego and realize he could learn a lot from the Clinton's, especially how to run a campaign. As fellow democrats, we should welcome the thought of these two working together and having a democrat in office for the next 16 years. If these two would play their cards right, we could very well embellish that dream.

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James — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:34:25 GMT

F STLouis says,

"Ah I think Obama started the ridiculous Bush lite argument....which ANYONE being lumped with George Bush in any way is a HUGE insult. So yea, Obama insulted her personally"

Remember in that speech Obama never mentioned her name. If he never mentioned her name then what other reason would she be insulted by it? Can you think of any?

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James — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:38:58 GMT

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/clinton_invitation.pdf

What is Hillary doing in Washington on her "Rural Americans for Hillary" tour? She is raising money from Monsanto(Agriculture lobbying firm)

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Bee — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:47:09 GMT

andrea, washington dc,

I personally don't want Obama to run on Clinton's ticket because he will be corrupted by the Clintons. As far as i am concern, Clinton is not good for America.

We don't need a politician but a leader. I can tell you this Hillary Clinton is not a leader.

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J Galeski — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:53:44 GMT

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J Galeski, Ellsworth, Maine — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:54:23 GMT

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bb — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:55:58 GMT

James,

Thanks for posting Hillary's agenda on rural america.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:59:54 GMT

To Mitchell Feldman in Vestal NY;
You're absolutely full of crap.
First off, what makes you think that socially conservative Republicans who won't vote for Hillary...would vote for Obama instead? That's my first question to you because that notion is so laughable...it doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Secondly, WHO said Hillary doesn't represent "The Democratic Wing" of The Democratic Party, and by the way, WHAT IS "The Democratic Wing" of The Democratic Party? I never heard of such a thing...Me thinks you know not of which you speak.
Third...yes, republiCANTs ARE supposed to hate the Clintons. Because they've been beaten by them every time out! If the political opposition LIKES your candidate, THAT'S when you know you're in trouble because it means they know they can beat you.
Oh, and Bill Clinton was elected TWICE w/o the republiCANT vote...so there goes your other theory.
If there is any gift that keeps on giving for republiCANTs its the divisive bickering, and Hillary bashing that Obama and his suporters have aimed at our party's leading candidate (rather selfishly, I might add)...all because he can't beat her in a debate.
Obama's flip flopping on international issues has certainly helped the G.O.P. as well, and so has his refusal to wear a flag on his lapel, and his disrespect to the American Flag while The National Anthem is playing.
I'm sorry Mitchell.....but Obama doesn't have the "gravitas" and would LOSE in the general election.
But then again...maybe that's exactly what you want to happen.

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Ken, San Diego, CA — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:01:39 GMT

In defense of Obama, he is trying to delineate policy ideology (although he is running up hill with Iran...considering he co-sponsored almost the exact same language in March...). Edwards on the other hand is attacking Hillary's character and integrity. That is counterproductive (and, frankly, pathetic). He needs to stick to policy contrasts.

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TiBwa — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:10:51 GMT

Give me Clintons all the way baby, i love it, and America will continue to sink. Wow i thought that the leader of free world had more to offer than Clintons and Bushes.

Of course she will win, then what. NO health care, No good education, no ending to this war, more women to please the desire of Bill into White House. Oh I forgot more power to lobbyist.

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Lawdog90 — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:12:29 GMT

Weak move by Clinton. Certainly, she can take the heat of candidates differentiating themselves from her. She better toughen up and start fighting back instead of whining! Problem is, if she starts fighting back, she'll have to start talking about specific answers to the issues. The "they're picking on me" skit is a smokescreen!

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:16:05 GMT

The problem as I see it, Andrea, is that Hillary does not represent my interests in the Democratic Party. For that reason I could never support her as a presidential candidate. You Hillary people just don't get it. It all boils down to the fact that she voted for the war! Not once, not twice but three times (in one form or another). I just can't get my arms around that one. In addition she does exhibit a lot of the political bullsh*t traits that we see in this Bush/Rove administration. She could pick any running mate in the world and it would not help me to forget my objections to her. I will never support her (and I have liked her in the past it's just that, in her quest for the presidency, she lost principle along the way) in a run for the presidency. Also, I don't want another four or eight years of Bill - as the Polish say, ceza dojou tonye strava (Polish linguists, please forgive my phonetics] or, what is too much is not healthy.

Obama will never concede to being her running mate because she represents everything that he is against in American politics. In the end, I think the Democratic Party will realize that she represents everything that they are against in the American politics and they will reject her candidacy. At least, I hope so.
Obama '08

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Los Angeles, CA — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:17:30 GMT

Obama put himself in a box with his "Politics of Hope." Now that he's losing, he's changing his tune and calling it "a debate."

We all know he's now doing what he said he wouldn't do. It's all very simple.

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VL North Carolina — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:29:59 GMT

VL: Obama attacked Sen. Clinton in the NYT on Sunday calling her a liar. By the way, Sen. Obama was co-sponsoring a bill to name the Iranian Guard as a terrorist group a few months back. So who's the real liar now? And contrary to your claim, Obama took no public position on the bill before it was passed. It wasn't until nine hours later, after a Democratic debate, that he finally piped up. Sen. Clinton, on the other hand, worked vigorously to have the original language changed to remove wording that--unlike the bill that was passed (have you read it?)--did arguably authorize military intervention.

So, you and Obama think we should not attack Iran (I agree) and we should not impose severe sanctions (I strongly disagree). So what's your plan to keep Iran from getting nukes--sit around a campfire and sing Kumbaya and hope Ahmadinajed and his masters change their mind about acquiring nukes?

http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2007/10/11/did-obama-skip-the-iran-vote/

Joe go to this website....

S.970 bill that Obama co-sponsored had this clause:

"Nothing in this Act shall be construed as authorizing the use of force or the use of the United States Armed Forces against Iran."

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Crystal (Time for change) — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:30:49 GMT

I am telling you, Clinton has so many issues, you can even see it from the YouTube thing. The boston globe today, writes:

"The clip, a preview of a longer film by one-time Clinton donor Peter Paul, has scored about 350,000 hits on YouTube during the past week, plus more than 1.4 million hits on Google Video, driving it to the top spot over the past two weeks"

when speaking about

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw

People really don't like her and I am willing to bet that in a general election, people that do not typically vote, will take off work just to vote for anyone other than her!!

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James — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:40:22 GMT

Would all of you, PLEASE, stop claiming that Hillary Clinton has not answered any questions on her stance on war, Iran, social security, etc....and CHECK THE FACTS! She has answered them, in quite a bit of detail, actually. Check her website, her interviews both in paper and video format. Do your HOMEWORK, stop making false claims, and educate yourselves for once.

All of the Democratic candidates oppose privatizing social security? Obama wants to raise taxes on those that make over $97000 and Edwards to raise taxes for those between $97,000 to $250,000. What is Hillary Clinton's plans along those lines?

Senator Clinton mentioned one of the earlier debates, you remember when she answered that she will not talk to the leaders of Iran, Korea, or Chavez during her first year in office because she did not want to be used for propaganda purposes. Remember? Obama answered that he would and mentioned JFK that "You should not negotiate out of fear but never fear to negotiate. Then next day when asked about Obama's response, Hillary Clinton said that she found it "naive and frankly very irresponsible". Remember?
Of course we know now from a recent interview that she is willing now negotiate with the leader of Iran. Was she flip flopping or cooking grits?

Obama,Clinton, and Edwards mentioned that they could not guarantee to ALL TROOPS out Iraq by 2013. Obama did mention that he promised to have ALL COMBAT TROOPS out of Iraq by 2013. What's the difference you might ask? If you are not in combat, then what is reason for war? If we have troops around the world, does that mean they are at war?

If you are a Clinton supporter, do you really believe in your heart that Hillary Clinton will the American people with the best of her ability despite her campaign being financed by lobbyists and calling them "people just like you"?

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Lynn, Watkins Glen, NY — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:40:25 GMT

Blah, blah...the repubs hate the Clintons, so what! Are we going to attack Bill because of a romp with an intern? Tell me how that affected his ability to run this country? Were we in trillions of dollars of debt and war? NO!!! Let's lose the personal attack on character, maybe Hill doesn't come across as the warmest person but she smart, experienced and certainly has the ability to stick it out through the bad times publicly and keep her composure unlike the retard who represents us now. Thanks to him, the whole world hates us!

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:41:28 GMT

Bee:

Wake up, sweetie. They are ALL politicians, even the ones who do their best to hide it.

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Leslie, Lawrenceburg, Indiana — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:47:27 GMT

I just hope and pray that Edwards has a strong showing tonight. He is the best candidate for all Americans not just Democrats. I don't understand why he is not doing better in the polls. Obviously people aren't paying attention. A vote for Hillary is a vote against the American people.

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J Galeski, Ellsworth, Maine — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:52:03 GMT

Thank you, VL!

See? Someone doing their RESEARCH!

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James — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:53:05 GMT

VL, You must be referring to the Iran Sanctions Act sponsored by Barack Obama in March of this year. Both Obama and Clinton agree that the Iran National Guard is a terrorist organization so that is not the issue. The issue is the language involved in the Kyl-Leiberman Amendment.

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Mitchell 'Feldman, Vestal, NY — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:53:41 GMT

J Merle Stanley: Got you going, didn't I big boy?
I'll try to answer your incredibly unsophisticated reply, point by point.
1) Obama isn't trying to position himself in the center for the general election. Hillary is. That is evidenced by her stance on the war and her cozying up to corporate interests and her refusal to comment on remedies for SS. What I'm saying is that positioning to the center is a lost cause since even moderate Republicans will never vote for her because of the reasons said in my last post (not that I disagree with her on these issues i.e. social policies; although her failure to face reality on SS and her husband's support of the 'defense of marriage act' does take away some of this legitimacy).
2) Hillary's support for the war absolutely disqualifies her from any support from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party (a term coined by Howard Dean when he ran in the 2003-2004 Democratic primary).
3) Yes the Republicans are supposed to hate the Clintons so why do the Clintons constantly triangulate to the center. And if the Repubs. hate her more than any other Democratic candidate, won't they turn out in greater numbers to vote against her (as opposed to staying home because none of the Republican candidates excite them)?
4) What you call divisive bickering, I call healthy debate. And if you think the the anti-Hillary contingent is going to sit by and watch a Republican in Democratic garb take the nomination as an entitlement because her husband was once president, then maybe you should join the Republican party because that's more their style.
5) Obama has never 'flipped flopped' on his position on the war. He and Kucinich were always against this war. In fact Hillary has never flip flopped either, she has been consistantly for it.
6) There you go again. Wearing a flag lapel to prove one's patriotism; and to which party do you belong?
7) Gravitas? I guess the poor judgment exhibited by voting for war resolutions (in one form or another) not once, not twice but three times tends to eliminate gravitas from Hillary's resume.

Methinks my daughter Allison could teach you a thing or two about politics but I don't think that she would waste her time. BTW thanks for saying that I'm full of crap. I realize that because I don't agree with any of the bullsh*t which you espouse that I am but a worthless piece of dung. How Republican of you.
Obama 'O8

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Barbara C., Pompano Beach FL — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:00:19 GMT

I would say to everyone that does not like Hillary...and that includes Chris Matthews, to let the process go forward. It is still too early to call this race. It was only a mere six months ago that I could not stand Hillary either. I wanted Al Gore, but....I feel that Hillary will run a much better General Election Campaign than Al Gore ever could. If the Democrats have not learned from the mistakes they made in 2000 and 2004, than they do not deserve to win.

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PBrown — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:05:52 GMT

God forbids if someone says something about her experience? It’s an attack…. This is nothing but Hillary Clinton playing Bush politics… I am personal fan of hers who is slowly losing respect for her…Barack, Edwards, Biden, and Dodds do not allow the Clinton campaign/machine to manipulate you into playing their game. You stay on topic and don’t lose focus… ..And ask the hard questions....She should not be immune from accountability.

This is another tactic the Bush Administration uses when things are going wrong in the war… The Bush Administration says we are not supporting our soldiers if we question the messenger.

If Hillary is questioned then it is a personal attack… Don’t allow her campaign to change the subject… It’s about Americans; and Americans are allowed to ask questions about things we don’t know and things we aren’t comfortable with…. They say she has experience, and what is that and has her experience brought about success if so please explain.

Picking a president should not be like taking a test you haven’t study for…. You pick the only answer you are familiar with because you never bother about studying the other answers that were available to you..,

Choosing a president is like an algebra problem, you make one wrong choice and the whole problem is wrong i.e. GEORGE W. BRUSH.

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Bee — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:19:53 GMT

Leslie, Lawrenceburg, Indiana,

We know that for sure. Edward is going to be the VP to Obama.

Obama/Edward 2008

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Michel, Los Angeles — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:21:59 GMT

Obama is weak and Edwards a phony- neither of which could ever win the general election. They are desperate losers who will eventually just have to accept their fate.

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JC, Los Angeles, California — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:25:47 GMT

Obama quit smoking lack of experience/lac of judgment, but you would only know that if you pulled your head out of your ass. I know you are scared to, because reality is not too kind to ignoramuses such as yourself.

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Bigtimer — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:31:33 GMT

At Hillary Clinton's website www.HillaryClinton.com says "She worked on bills, both of which were passed into law, to honor Shirley Chisholm for her service and to place a statue of Sojourner Truth in the U.S. Capitol. And she strongly opposed the confirmations of Samuel Alito and John Roberts as Supreme Court Justices, and those of Charles Pickering, Miguel Estrada, Janice Rogers Brown, and Priscilla Owen as federal circuit court"

How is honoring Shirley Chisholm and voting to put Sojouner Truth in the US Capitol helping the civil rights movement? Those are symbols of our heroes but today is the 29th of October 2007 and we need more help than that. Don't you think?

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Marichu San Francisco, CA — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:49:42 GMT

Edwards and Obama just go and campaign without destroying one another. Personality I thinks Edwards and Obama are nuts. These guys are not gentlemen because they are attacking the lady. What if someone attacks their wivies? Do they like that? It is really disgusting. It is like the republicans too. Women do not like that. And remember womens power. We will all vote for Hillary because you guys are attacking us. Or maybe because Hillary is so intellegence and smarter than these guys.

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Pam the OC, CA — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:51:41 GMT

Mitchell,

Your little story about the dinner table last night was tragic, comic, and true. Kinda like listening to Colbert...I am with you on your views, but like Edwards, then Obama.

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Marichu San Francisco, CA — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:55:20 GMT

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Steven — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:12:08 GMT

Mitchell... great post! I can't agree with you more. I personally would love to see Edwards/Obama '08 or Obama/Edwards '08... slam dunk lights out and we sweep the house and Senate too...

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Jean Motley, Hampton Roads, VA — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:39:59 GMT

Bottom line...we have got to break the Clinton-Bush link to the White House. To elect Hillary would continue association American diplomacy with the Bush administration. Look...former President Bush calls Bill Clinton his son...Read between the lines people. Lets end this democratic, political corruption that has been in existence since Bill Clinton was in office. To go back to the Clinton-era would be sending the wrong message to the WORLD.

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Richard, Washington State — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:42:18 GMT

I personally hope that Hillary gets more votes than Bill did in '92. Anywhere from 44% to 48% would be awesome.

The Obama/Edwards third party thing is pretty intriguing also.

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JJ, Jacksonville, Fl — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:27:10 GMT

So Aidyn, let me get this straight...you think that it is a good thing when a candidate uses their "intelligence" to duck and evade questions when asked their position on tough issues? Let me guess, you voted for Bush didn't you? You Clinton-supporters only back hillary and turn a deaf ear to anything negative about her because you are enchanted with her last name...I wonder, if her last name was 'Blinton' would you be so blindly loving her then?

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Banana Kid — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:33:59 GMT

I use to have a crush on Hillary Clinton. I had a crush on her when Clinton was elected in 92.

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Mike Cainsvill, Mo. — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:48:50 GMT

Desperation turns politicians into cutthroat vipers. How many republicans blog here? You can disguise your self but the way you rundown Hillary you give up your disguise. Come on Hillary is very aware of what is coming when she becomes the nominee. After all she saw it throughout her husbands tenure. She saw what they did to John McCain and John Kerry. Hillary is far from stupid she can handle what they throw at her she is tough and strong. As for her character it takes more courage and character than many of us have to stand by our spouse when they go astray. Some of you may have forgotten or haven't read her book It Takes A Village. In these trying times it does take a village. If you are truely Democrats you need to take a long hard look at the whole picture. We all know the President can only do so much they are not God and just like us they are prone to mistakes. I like all the candidates running for President on the Democratic side. I just believe some need a little more experience. I believe in time Barack will be one of the greatest Presidents this country has had in many generations now is not his time. I truely wish him well in his run for the Presidency. Stay loyal to your candidate and support them but stop with all the hate. God Speed to the Democratic Party and all it stands for.

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beth — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:28:09 GMT

clinton needs to crawl baxk in the hole she and her husband climbed out of because they are for big business and the the american public

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Don, Sammamish, WA — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 06:17:34 GMT

I want to know exactly how everyone stands on the issues before I vote, and that means Hillary, too. I want to scream every time she hedges about her position. She has to stop it! That's exactly what the Old Politics is all about.

In 2008, everyone needs to come clean and let us know exactly where they stand, or else I don't want them going anywhere near my White House! Not again!!!