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Daniel, NY — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:32:01 GMT

A new general election poll of Pennsylvania has some stunning results, with Clinton up by huge margins against Republicans: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2007/11/morning-polls-is-pennsylvania-no-longer.html

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Ern Maggive — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:33:00 GMT

I absolutely hate "Nave" plans. There is really no place for them in our political system.

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Shadow, Hamden, CT — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:37:32 GMT

The Clinton/Giuliani/Bush approach thinks avoiding unnecessary wars is naive and irresponsible.

Unfortunately for them, 70% of the public disagrees, and is sick to death of the true naivety and irresponsibility: that which wages war, bankrupts our treasury, depletes our military, and increases the number of terrorists. Only Obama out of the four of them has a clue.

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Marbw — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:39:37 GMT

Oh Rudy, go find a new home(since many New Yorkers are pissed off at ya). Mr. Guiliani(a noun, verb, and 9-11), go reconcile with your kids and leave the rest of us alone.

Obama08 for a sane America and world

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Susan, Miami — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:43:33 GMT

Thats right Daniel, same here in florida.

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TC, Suffolk Virginia — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:47:43 GMT

The Democrats need to reflect back on past elections and think about how they are are going to win in November of 2008. Examining the past and current demographics makes Governor Richardson the best choice in a national election for two reasons. First, he can make red Republican states competitive in the national election and he is more competitive as a Governor in the national election.

One persistent problem among Democratic supporters is that there is an assumption that the entire country thinks like the regions that are Democratic strongholds – such as the Northeast and California. This is not true of the South or West. Moreover, the Presidential Election is really not a national election, but a state by state election in which electoral votes are awarded to the winner. If Democrats want to win in 2008 they cannot surrender half the country as they did in 2000 and 2004. I am very doubtful of ability of all the Senators in this race to win one Southern state or even the states in the Rocky Mountain West. These Senators come from the North - there is painful list of losing Democratic candidates with the same background - Kerry, Dukakis, and Mondale. Even Al Gore, with his connections to Washington, was a Southerner only in name.

Again, the one thing I do know about Governor Richardson is that he will at least put Florida (27 electoral votes) and New Mexico (5) in play. That total - 32 electoral votes would have put Kerry over the top in 2004. The key is Governor Richardson is the Governor of a red state (New Mexico) and his Hispanic heritage will give him an advantage in Florida. If nothing else, Republicans would spend more resources in Florida than they would with any other candidate and maybe the Democrats will pick up some other contested state.

Richardson's second strength is that he is a Governor. Right now, Americans are not only disappointed with Bush, but also the Congress - the poll numbers of both are low. When Americans want change in Washington they turn to Governors. A Senator has not been elected President in 47 years and only two Senators were elected in the last 100 years. 4 out of the last 5 Presidents were Governors. Americans are more likely to see electing a Republican Governor or Mayor as President as change in 2008 than electing a Senator from the Congress they are angry at as President.

If Democrats really want to win the White House they must think about the national electoral election now. President Bush is not running in 2008. Democrats must think about how to win over red states in the South and West and how to separate themselves from the Washington establishment. Governor Richardson provides answers on both counts.

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Asa, North Bergen, NJ — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:48:06 GMT

Sen. Obama = 3 years foreign policy experience;
Mayor Giuliani = 0 foreign policy experience
and it shows. This man can't even think about the strategic possibilities that an engagement with Iran will bring. Frankly, he is dumb!

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HMT-MI — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:49:41 GMT

Rudy is a liar---same as Bush--no different only he craps in his own back yard.Bush craps in others back yards.I would not even consider voting for a republican when they still carry georges water for him.They are all as inept to run this country as george has been---who needs more disaster?

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sg, michigan — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:49:50 GMT

Nixon negotiated with China and the Soviets. Regan held summits with Gorbechov, right? It seems reasonable to do the same with Iran.

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Bee — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:49:51 GMT

Obviously this guy doesn't have a clue on foreign policy. He must be on steroid like edward sugested. Does she want to bomb Iran?

I guess they don't really understand the implication of bombing Iran.

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Al, KS — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:51:08 GMT

Does this seem like Guiliani is coming to Hillary's defense by attacking Obama...does he really prefer to run against Clinton? Rudy is not Bush lite....he's Bush heavy.

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--NSMSNBC — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:54:33 GMT

Of course Normie R-MN would endorse Giuliani. Both pretend to be conservative, neither are.

It's not unbelievable to me that Obama's opponents insist on. Senator Obama has made it clear that he believes in a strong foreign policy--strong diplomacy first and using the military if diplomacy fails to secure our national interests. That's not weak or giving in to our enemies, that's practical foreign policy. He also believes that we should not give the REAL Al qaeda a free pass like the Bush and Clinton administrations of past have done. That is a great point, and one that he was attacked for and took it like a man. I guess his answers are too honest. Hillary and the Repubs have to resort to lying and embellishment to mudsling him.

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P Brown — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:55:33 GMT

Guiliani is a meanspirited closet queen.

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CitizenJ — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:57:26 GMT

Why would Giuliani criticize anyone's experience in foreign policy? He has as little experience as anyone. I think Bush told him to say this.

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Dave, Tn — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:00:47 GMT

The percentage of people in Iran who are pro American is way too high for a middle eastern country. We should cozy up to and turn a blind eye toward their tyrant leaders. I'm sure we can bring that percentage down more in line with other middle eastern countries.

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Stupid get — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:01:44 GMT

"“The idea of begging your enemy to negotiate with you is a fundamentally flawed position.”

You put on a dress, divorce your wife, and GET TOUGH with them!

“[T]heir vision is that if we are nice to Ahmadinejad, he’ll be nice to us. The world doesn’t work that way.”

True. They helped us after 9/11 get Al Qaida members, and GWB (and all the other rabid neocon chicken hawk cowards) want to nuke them. Pretty crappy way to treat someone who's helped you, but in the GOP, that's how the world works.

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julie — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:05:41 GMT

Guilliani and Clinton really seem to be on the same spinning page.

Guilliani/Clinton 2008!

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Tommy Ates, Austin, TX — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:07:50 GMT

I thought Giuliani and Clinton was "Giuliani versus Clinton" could it be that Mr. Mayor fears Hillary's primary defeat would destroy the rationale of his candidacy?

Giuliani and Clinton are on the same team!

Democratic primary voters beware!!

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:16:52 GMT

Oh right, here comes Rudy Guiliani, the most unqualified man running for president (Joe Biden October 30th, 2007), and he's here to give us lectures about what we've learned from the history of the 20th century. Maybe what he doesn't realize is that Hitler was the leader of the most industrialized and powerful nation on earth in 1938 whereas Achmedinajad is a tin-pot, figure-head dictator of a developing nation which has neither the ability nor real inclination to go to war. What Mr. Mayor (and what experience does this position give Rudy to be president?) doesn't realize is that another irresponsible foray into the Middle East will recruit still more nuts for the forces of Al Qaeda. Shall we make another mountain out of a molehill? Rudy, you should remember Al Qaeda is only as strong as WE make them. They are a bunch of dangerous thugs, but they have no country to defend, no people to feed, no national responsibilities. They must be addressed, as we must exterminate any vermin, but this so called 'War on Terrorism' is as John Edwards said (and I agree whole heartedly) merely a Republican bumper sticker. It is designed to instill fear into American hearts and act as a tool for Republican political mobilization.

Rudy, in case you have forgotten, we, the U.S.A. are the most powerful nation on earth and if Iran were to make the slightest move on us or any of our allies they would be blown to kingdom come. So let's stop playing the fear card and address the problem appropriately. Maybe you need some lessons on Middle Eastern politics before you attempt to tackle the job of the presidency. I know that GWB coulda used a lil' schoolin' before comin' to town. At least he could have learned how to pronounce nuclear. You, Mr. Mayor, show go back to fighting organized crime.
Obama '08

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John S. Alexander,Edinboro, PA — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:16:56 GMT

Hey Hukabee is on Charlie Rose, PBS right now were I live.
But this was funny, Rudy agrees with Hillary against Obama. god, I love it!!#=sarcasm!!#
This is really turning out to be a historic election cycle We got Papa bear, Momma bear and many baby bears who all want to sleep in the big bed. When will we be saved by the Woodsman,(open the door), HERES FRED, got out of his pick up to see what the ruckus is.
"I'M HERE,I'M NOT SOMEWHERE ELSE, dog needed food then a walk, the missus need me to pick up diapers and , dammit I had to have a few down at Billys bar, and shoot the shit with the boys a bit".
We all gotta love the village idiot, he doesn't know he is drooling, hand him a hanky and buy him a beer.
Rusdy Bullyanni comes in and hands you car keys, "it's yours" he said, "just don't tell nobody where you got it", he sides up to the barmaid and pinches her rump.
Just then a man with light around his well quaffed hair " Did anybody see my car keys, I got a real important meeting in the middle of the Utah desert?"
story continued tommorrow. title of story-'MOURNING IN AMERICA'
same time, same channel

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Dot, Illinois — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:25:43 GMT

Citizen J

I had the same thought about Giuliani's lack of experience.

And I didn't know that Senator Obama was "begging" to talk to the leaders of Iran.

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rudy is a giant fake — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:42:05 GMT

This guy thinks being Mayor of New York is the best experience ever? What planet is he on? Being a state Senator and Senator is somehow bad?

WHAT AN IDIOT

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R.Merrell — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:42:31 GMT

A noun, a verb, and 911. No more, no less. Another little man looking for a balcony.

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KI HOUSTON — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:42:41 GMT

RUDY IS A CLOWN IN A DRESS , WHO WOULD LISTEN TO HIM BUT HARD CORE REPUGS.

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Rudy Fooliani — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:45:42 GMT

“I think what we learned is you don’t beg to negotiate with dictators, tyrants and supporters of terrorists. What you do is you develop a position of real strength.”

Right! Just IMPEACH that demented monkey!

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Rick, WS, NC — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:46:10 GMT

Rudy the red nosed republican has no experience in foreign affairs and he has held no national office and his business takes money from terrorist supporting governments and he has no ability to pick people around him and he is a philanderer and liar...other than that he is ok

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:46:24 GMT

Stupid Get:
I laughed my a** off! Thanks for the great post.
Obama '08

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Teach53 — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:54:34 GMT

Let's see, 28 years of absolutely no change/improvement in our relationship with Iran, a critical contributor to the stability/instability of the region. So Senator Obama suggests that we try doing something different, and Guiliani call HIM "naive"?? I would suggest the former mayor look at Einstein's definition of:

insanity: Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result.

28 years of insanity strikes me as enough already!

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CitizenJ — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:56:46 GMT

Dot,

If he were running for Director of FEMA, I could forgive him. But he is about as qualified for president as about 15 other big city mayors. He is running on one thing and one thing only: 9/11. I loved Biden's line the other night. Noun. Verb. 9/11.

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Gary, Franklin, WI — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:00:31 GMT

P Brown stated:

"Guiliani is a meanspirited closet queen."

That comment is unfair to closet queens!

On a related topic, Guiliani was quote as follows:

On Mukasey, Giuliani said he believed he would make “an exceptional attorney general” and called him a man of integrity. “I think it’s a shame this whole issue has been politicized . . .

That "exceptional attorney general" (Mukasey) doesn't know that waterboarding is torture? What?

Attorney General's have always been political appointees, so of course the issue is politicized. Duh!

What you don't understand, Rudy, is that once an Atttorney General appointee is confirmed and sworn into office he/she is expected to withdraw from the politics of the moment and express their legal views fairly and equitably. Foreign concepts to you apparently.

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Houston — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:04:05 GMT

Il Duce [[“If we learned anything from the 20th Century,” he said, “I think what we learned is you don’t beg to negotiate with dictators, tyrants and supporters of terrorists. What you do is you develop a position of real strength.”]]

What we've learned from the 21st Century is that Republicans like Rudy Mussolini and George W(aterboard) Bush will keep the country in a state of perpetual war as an excuse to award themselves dictatorial powers.

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nilly, san diego, ca — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:06:17 GMT

Rudy is a typical bend over, stick your head in the sand, and call that a plan republican.

Not talking to Iran means you dont have a plan.
What are you going to do Rudy? Criticizing Obama's concrete and sensible strategy is not a plan?

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BB, Texas — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:15:35 GMT

It sounds like Rudy wants to get in Hillary's panties.
......Oh wait, I forgot, he's a republican. ...wrong sex.

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Robert Trusky — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:23:22 GMT

|| This guy thinks being Mayor of New York is
|| the best experience ever?

Not the best, but successfully leading a city of 8 million, as Giuliani did, is a significant accomplishment.

|| What planet is he on?

Earth. Same as most of us. What planet are you on?

|| Being a state Senator and Senator is somehow bad?

No. But making speeches and voting, like Senators do, is a lot different job assignment then running the daily operations of the biggest city in the US. Some would call that, experience.

|| WHAT AN IDIOT

Yes, you it appears that you are.

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James Wiseman — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:25:17 GMT

Rudy is a typical bend over, stick your head in the sand, and call that a plan republican.

That's a better place then where Democrats typically stick their heads.

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squintz, philly, pa — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:27:38 GMT

Where are the people who actually support this blowhard? Has anyone less qualified EVER run for the Presidency?

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The Brown Shirt Leadership were all Homosexual — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:34:08 GMT

"It sounds like Rudy wants to get in Hillary's panties."

No, no - you might be right - Hillary just needs to be out of them, first.

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Real Democrat, CA — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:35:53 GMT

I guess Hillary and Rudy are sharing phrases...or is it just pillow talk? "Rillary" or "Hudy" are the two most non-imaginative, arrogant and underqualified candidates to run for President.

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Bee — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:36:21 GMT

Bb Texas,

You are nut...your joke is hillarious

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Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:37:21 GMT

Is Rudy talking about Dictators, or Divorce Lawyers? I always get confused by his invectives, and/or Boolean Unsatisfiabilty Problems concerning Matrilineal Logistics.

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Houston — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:39:47 GMT

One thing that Rudy did NOT learn in the 21st Century is that Iran assisted the United States against the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan afterh 9/11 and got nothing but threats and insults from G. Waterboard Bush as thanks for their troubles. So the moderates in the Iranian government lost power and were replaced by Bush's mirror image fruitcake, Ahmadinejad. But Bush's rule by fear needs foreign "enemies" like Ahmadinejad, not friends.

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Lee Holmes — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:50:58 GMT

Houston: Dictators do not get to be defeated by veto overrides[see:Above FR blog of the first Bush veto override by Congress regarding a national water bill]. You are being ridiculous. You forget also that even Democrats have advanced advocation of torture[Schumer,Clinton],with both using the ''imminent threat''excuse for the use of interrogation tactics deemed to be ''torture''by administration critics. For what real dictators are up to these days,as opposed to the figments of your fertile imagination,go here:

The Associated Press,Nov.02,2007:''Soldiers Break Up pro-Democracy Rally in Venezuela''.

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H P Boston — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 19:02:58 GMT

The new general election poll of Pennsylvania has some stunning results, with Clinton up by huge margins against Republicans: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2007/11/morning-polls-is-pennsylvania-no-longer.html
Daniel, NY (Sent Friday, November 02, 2007 12:32 PM)
___________________________________________________***
That's right Daniel, same here in Massachusetts.

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Gary, Franklin, WI — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 19:36:21 GMT

James Wiseman stated:

"Rudy is a typical bend over, stick your head in the sand, and call that a plan republican."

I agree that describes Rudy's policy "planning" process, but I suspect he bends over for mutiple reasons . . .

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nuanced — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 19:50:10 GMT

Rudy thinks the AG selection is being politicized? Was he around when Nixon picked his CAMPAIGN MANAGER John Mitchell (the first United States Attorney General ever to be convicted of illegal activities and imprisoned--wikipedia).

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Rafael DeJesus, Atlanta, Georgia — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 19:57:17 GMT

What foreign policy experience does RG have? Eating pizza in Little Italy doesn't count, Rudy! And I do not recall hearing Obama state he would beg the enemy. He simply stated he would sit down with those on the other side. That's a lot more than Bush and the republicans have done. They don't beg nor sit down! They lie, they set up our nation for failure and bomb while Rudy travels the country pandering to the neo and theo-right!

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Pacheck — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:21:33 GMT

Yeah, Rudy is Mr. Strength when he's not doning womens cloths or cheating on every one of his three wives. Why a person of his experience and history of accomplishments would have no trouble finding honest employment in either the used car business or Mayor of Baggdad.

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Pete, Chicago, Illinois — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:37:35 GMT

Well I am from Chicago and like many Chicagoans still waiting for any reason to validate my vote for Obama. We didn't know much about him before and we elected him -well he was lucky the Republicans in Illinois were in total disarray- and he was elected to represent us there. He pledged to serve his full term and bring "change to Washington,' all we have seen in Illinois is the changes made to his fortune, his wealth and his friends. He is not here to solve the transportation problems we are having, he is silent about all the proposed tax increases in Illinois (by his friends in Springfield and his mentor Major Daley), he was silent for the huge rate energy rates increases by ComEed (big Illinois fundraising for Obama), etc. Where is Obama? Ah, he is promoting his books and promoting him personally. Not wonder his personal wealth has increased 1000% since he went to D.C.

Now, it seems that Obama is now trying to call for attention really. He should not be playing "opportunistic politics" with a serious issue like Iran. Where was he when the critical vote for the initial amendment was need it? He was campaign! A real calculated move to use the vote Against Clinton afterwards. If the issue was so important then as it is for him now, he should be doing his primary job that is to be a Senator for the State of Illinois instead of campaigning to friendly urban crowds, college kids or doing the TV sows celebrity circle (Tyra Banks, Ellen, Oprah or Hollywood mansion’s fundraising). If the issue is so critical for him now, why he didn’t signed the Webb’s letter co-sponsoring two other pieces of legislation reaffirming that Bush cannot use force against Iran without congressional approval. His “Audacity of Hope” is becoming “The Audacity of one Opportunistic, Energetic Totally Unprepared Politician” using big words and “big friends” to become President. Shame! I still waiting for a real example, policy, record that shows me or anyone else why we should vote for him, he doesn’t deserved the trust we people in Illinois put on him to represent us in D.C. all he is doing is running for President since he got elected. We still are waiting in Illinois….we still waiting. Where is Obama?

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Houston — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:39:30 GMT

Lee Holmes [[ Dictators do not get to be defeated by veto overrides]]

Veto overrides are irrelevant when a president decides he can ignore Congress as long as "we are at war," which means "as long as a pub is in the White House."

[[You are being ridiculous. You forget also that even Democrats have advanced advocation of torture[Schumer,Clinton],with both using the ''imminent threat''excuse for the use of interrogation tactics deemed to be ''torture''by administration critics. ]]

You are being an idiot. The Bush regime has NEVER used the waterboard torture in the hypothetical "ticking time bomb" situation. The only use Bush has put it to is getting prisoners to say what his torturers want to hear. Amusingly, the Republican talking point talkers cite the confessions of the 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shiek Mohammed as a case that shows how useful waterboarding is. It was useful, they got the guy to confess to confess to crimes that they know he didn't commit. Yeah water boarding is very useful. To a dictator.

[[For what real dictators are up to these days,as opposed to the figments of your fertile imagination,go here: ]]

Venezuela already has a democracy,and a president that won an honest election, unlike, sadly, the United States where Bush won two elections by various kinds of flim flam, mostly by keeping blacks from voting. Chavez wants to change the constitutions that may point to more authoritarian rule, but at least he's going through the formality of getting the constitution changed rather than just ignoring it altogether as President G. Waterboard Bush has done here.

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Rick, WS, NC — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:39:44 GMT

rudy911...keep playing it over and over...some can still be conned

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Rick, WS, NC — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:47:43 GMT

Did anyone else catch what mccain said about his rep competitors? He said they weren't qualified to lead our nation because they skipped military service when their nation needed them...gee that will winnow both fields quick eh? Lets coronate john now

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Celina, Dallas, TX — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:54:01 GMT

I am so sick of hearing Obama called "Naive". Would any of the candidates like to elaborate on those comments? They are simply using his "lack of experience" as a default argument and wiping their hands clean of the matter. And what experience does Giuliani have as more than a prosecutor or a mayor? NONE. At least Obama has had experience in a position at the FEDERAL level which is certainly more than could be said of Giuliani (I don't count "U.S. Attorney").

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Ed, Toledo, Ohio — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:12:10 GMT

Clinton is already "side & back-stepping" too much. This is a sure sign of weakness. No doubt about it, she is playing the "girly-girl" card and it is not impressive. How do you think the other WORLD leaders are going to view our country with her (of all people) at the helm. She is too arrogant. We won't have to worry about whether she attacks Iran or any other country because they will already be attacking us.

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George Houston — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:29:47 GMT

Tell me this: How are the Democrats going to negociate with countries that are far from their point of view when they are to coward to have a debate on Fox News channel. If they can't face FOX anchors they can't face the world.

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BB, Texas — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:31:11 GMT

If Rudy is elected, America is doomed. We'll never recover from it. He is a madman that will take us down a path of destruction that will make even Bush look good.
I think a democrat will beat him, but I'm praying we don't get that far and he loses in the primary.

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John B, Des Moines, IA — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:35:35 GMT

We wouldn't have to "beg" to negotiate with Iran, they've been asking to negotiate with us for years but we'd rather bomb them! As far as his "statistics" about prostate cancer, approximately 25 men per 100,000 die of prostate cancer every year in the US. Approximately 25 men per 100,000 die of prostate cancer every year in Britain. Figures don't lie, but liars figure.

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BB, Texas — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:36:36 GMT

George,
I can't believe you're from Texas. Are you retarded?

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REG; East Valley Phx. AZ — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:43:27 GMT

Rudy's message is simply in total agreement with whatever George W & company advocate. He obviously is competing with Fred to be the replacement 'puppet' for Special Interests and the select few who have given George such strong overt and covert support. Neither of them seem capable of or inclined to responsibly recognize and address the many failures of the Bush administration and instead only attack those who offer sincere concern and honest suggestions. 'More of the same' literally is not what we need.

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John B, Des Moines, IA — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:44:39 GMT

George Houston; the Democratic candidates won't debate on Faux News because they're too smart to walk into an ambush at a propaganda mill.

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Gene Albano NewHope PA — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:44:46 GMT

It's about a lot more than 9/11 and Rudy Giuliani is about a lot more!I was one of those who benefitted by the NYC clean-up that he did. And the rackets at the fish market...no one before him had the ----- to step in and get rid of the crime. Maybe some of you believe in Alice in Wonderland; I prefer the real thing--a gutsy world leader. Go RUDY!

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Just opining — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:50:09 GMT

" John Mitchell (the first United States Attorney General ever to be convicted of illegal activities and imprisoned"

Didn't BushCo I spring him before he actually got there, like some sort of Scooter Libby fore-runner?

You know - that's why the neocons are scared even more witless than usual about Hilldawg getting in the White House. There won't be any presidential pardons for BushCo crimes.

Remember when the steaming liars made all those BS calims about the out-going staff "trashing" the White House? I'll bet Hilldawg does. Of course, I'm sure there are plenty of crimes to keep prosecutors busy, but the little drunken monkey election thief was SUCH a punk to the Clintons, coming in.

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How about a strip club? — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:57:43 GMT

"Tell me this: How are the Democrats going to negociate with countries that are far from their point of view when they are to coward to have a debate on Fox News channel. If they can't face FOX anchors they can't face the world. "

Absolutely! And draft dodging cowards make me feel safe.

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Yiannis, Baltimore — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:05:21 GMT

Rudy = Hillary on foreign policy. Excellent!!

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Cat Wells, ATL — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:07:41 GMT

I just thought I'd point something out

I'm only 17 and I can definately tell there's a distinct bias in every politcal story on this site...

I think news corporations should at least mix up some opinions and views to give people a more rounded perspective on what's going on. If they dont do that then what is the news? Just an opinionated talk show or blog...

I know this probably won't go through since it doesn't pertain to the topic...But I just felt like throwing it out there and seeing if it would get through and if people agree...

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Bee — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:15:09 GMT

Folks,

Here is an interesting article, perhaps, we can all learn from it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/magazine/04obama-t.html?hp=&pagewanted=print

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Paul, CA — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:37:54 GMT

I voted President Ronald Regan twice as a proud republican. Now, I may have to vote for Giuliani or Romney during this presidential election. Sounds more frightening even day after Halloween! These two fellows have no chance even defeating tax hiking dems. Biden may be right. Giuliani is the biggest fool in this election. He will not even carry New York city, forget about carrying New York state. Romney will not even carry his own state (MA or MI -- pick either one). According to SNL Darrell Hammond, Fred Thompson is six-and half serious about his race. He is definitely not going long distance. How about Huckabee? Can he carry Arkansas and beat Clinton? I guess I am just looking for someone who can carry his own state unlike Gore.

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Lee Holmes — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 23:45:22 GMT

How is bowing to veto overrides,''ignoring Congress''Houston? You forget[again]that Bush went to Congress and that it was a Democrat-led Congress that allowed the FISA-less wiretaps to remain in place. This is not ''ignoring' Congress either. Then ,obviously,there is Mukasey. Dictators place their guys in regardless of what governmental bodies[those not packed with their cronies,as we see in Chavez'Venezuela],decide. Mukasey never would have gotton out of committee without Democrats voting in his favour. Bush would have had to send up another pick,which is not indicative of a ''dictatorship''. You cannot cite one single example in world history where a ''dictatorship''acts in such a manner. Not Stalin,nor Hitler. Not Pinochet nor Marcos.Not Castro nor Sese Seko. Not Peron nor Pot. Not Suharto,nor Tito.Not Ceauchescu,nor Minh. Not one single example.
Venezuela is no ''democracy''. You also forget that Hitler also won ''fair and square''same as Chavez. It is what both did after acquiring power.[Both using Enabling Acts].
You have no proof extant that Bush ''kept blacks from voting''. Even the liberal-dominated United States Civil Rights Commission,then led by a black woman,proves you wrong in its investigations of voting in Florida and later,in Ohio.[in Ohio,however,they DID find evidence of voter fraud initiated by the liberal voting organization ACORN which has been the subject of several arrests and federal investigations].
You are engaging in supposition. Not fact. Chavez as we speak has outlawed free assembly,the free press,redress for grievence,and has placed his hacks into his own supreme court without confirmation with the involvement of an opposition party due to the fact that an ''opposition party''does not exist,rewriting the constitution with his own pen, and utilizing his army against his own private citizens. You have a strange concept of what is and what is not ''democracy''.

Also see:

www.usccr.gov United States Commission on Civil Rights

www.bbc.co.uk The BBC:''Chavez To Rule By Decree''

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Lioness, Washington DC — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 00:13:22 GMT

Editors: Please corrrect this story:

Obama never said he would NEGOTIATE with Iran without preconditions - he said he would MEET with Iran's leaders without preconditions. There are plenty of meetings that do not lead to negotiations.

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Lioness, Washington DC — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 00:21:56 GMT

"On Mukasey, Giuliani said he believed he would make “an exceptional attorney general” and called him a man of integrity."

When a former federal prosecutor (I reefer to Rudy here) turns into a torture apologist (Mukasey has refused to oppose waterboarding) we know we are in trouble. I wonder what Rudy thinks of the Spanish Inquisition. Scratch that. I don't want to know.

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Amy, Galloway, OH — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 00:35:45 GMT

Senator Obama also has a degree from Cambridge in International Relations. I think it's about time we got an intelligent, educated, honest president out there meeting with and working with other countries.

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Amy, Galloway, OH — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 00:37:31 GMT

Scares me enought that Rudy supports Michael Mukasey.

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Ali Alavi — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 00:54:25 GMT

The new suggestion of Senator Obama (grand bargain)towards Iran which has been a taboo in US foreign policy for a long time, is a brave step towards a more balanced relations in the middle east.

The US unconditional friendship and support of Saudi Royal family has created a very unbalanced situation in the Middle East. Saudi Royal family has been sponsoring a distorted branch of Islam called "Wahabism", which is the ideology of all the terrorism schools and camps including Al-Qaeda and Taliban. This distorted ideology, considers all people who don't accept their distorted message infidels and consider their blood permissible to shed, that is why the followers of this ideology are responsible for killing of many Muslims specially shias in Iraq and Afghanistan only because of their religious differences. That is exactly why majority of people who participate in terrorism are Saudis and that is why Saudi Royal family has pledges lots of money to topple the shia dominated democratically elected government in Iraq.

Approaching Iran with the hope of normalizing the diplomatic relations will create a balanced environment in the Middle East. US will have more clout to persuade Saudis to stop their support for religious intolerance and terrorism schools.

Senator Obama's position certainly proves he does not belong to establishment approach of foreign policy which has done so much disservice to American interest in the middle east and has embolden terrorists in the middle east and caused lots of suffering for many people in the middle east.

I congratulate him for his independence and professionalism and bravery.

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ramesh ramalingam — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 01:11:58 GMT

RG should not waste any money in this presidential election. I don't think he is going to have his money back.

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Paul Roberts, Chevy Chase MD — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 02:18:38 GMT

Houston, we have problem -- [[Venezuela already has a democracy,and a president that won an honest election, unlike,]]

Dude, you are really out there if your think Chavez is elected. I mean, what kind of credibility do you think you have making lame statements like above? You stick up for Chavez, who Castro's right hand man, and dump on the the US? There are people on the left that one can disagree with and still hold a decent conversation with. There are others, like you, that are so far out on a limb that you don't know whether to laugh at them, cry about them, or to call the authorities. With you, we'll trying laughing, and then see where that takes us.

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Ed, Houma, La. — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 02:23:11 GMT

Pete I bet you don't even live in Obama's distict!

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Lioness, Washington DC — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 02:56:32 GMT

MSNBC:

I don't know why you have a problem reading a comment that asks for a factual correction of your story. Here goes, and please don't ingore my post this time:

You write:"But he (Rudy Giuliani) became most animated when asked about Obama’s assertion that he would negotiate with Iran without preconditions."

WRONG!

Obama never said he would NEGOTIATE without preconditions - he said he would MEET. Two very different beasts - not even apples and oranges. Countless meetings end in an impasse.

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George Gier, Saint Charles Illinois — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 03:25:01 GMT

Can someone explain how the ex-mayor of New York, with no real experience in foreign policy, no federal government experience (other than cashing federal checks) and no real record, is leading the Republican polls? Wake up people. Start looking into the candidates and their records, not just going with name recognition. The U.S. Presidential race should not be decided like a high school class president race.

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Danny T Los Angeles, California — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 04:45:47 GMT

Rudy Giuliani you are a better fit for the saprano's. You always run around talking people who don't have foreign policy experience like Senator Obama. But where did you get you foreign policy experience and oh by the way Rudy, the Bronx is not a foreign country! I suspect you need to try something else other then running for president because your not ready to play in that league yet. Maybe if you contact Joe Torre, he can get you a job as an assistance coach for the dodgers. Ops, never mind we want to win too!

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Juanito, Washington, DC — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 05:39:54 GMT

Why are journalists so lazy? Why didn't this lazy journalist do his homework before posting this article? Obama never said he would NEGOTIATE without preconditions - he said he would be willing to MEET with the Iranian leadership in order to open up talks and diffuse this drumbeat to war.

Another hatchet job on Obama.

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Murphy — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 06:23:31 GMT

Ruddy is nothing but shadow hero crated by the 9/11. He's a cheap beneficiary of the American grief and he now thinks he's ''all that'' and that he is ably qualify to rule United States. He has to learn the art of leadership by first learning the science of public speaking and reaction to issues

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demos — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 08:50:26 GMT

HEY MR PETE FROM ILLINOIS,

I AM VERY SORRY FOR YOU AND YOU WERE PAID TO POST THIS ONLINE. YOU SAID THAT YOU DIDN'T VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA WHEN HE RAN FOR SENATOR, SO YOU HAVE NO SAY AND JUST CLOSE YOUR .... AND STAY QUIET.

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Lee Delaney — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 08:53:27 GMT

I do have a question on this issue. I belieeve that Obama said that he would "personally" negotiate with the leaders of Iran. The article implies that he said he would "pursue negotiations with Iran." There is a significant difference. There is no question that negotiations with Iran are the only thing that can save the United States from yet another lost war, however I do not believe that those negotiations should be conducted personally by the President. That is why we have the State Department and why there can be special ambassadors appointed to conduct these kind of actions. If, as President, Obama thinks he would personally negotiate with Iran then that is the thought of a naive and inexperienced individual which so many say he is. It is also the thought process of someone who considers himself to be the final answer on a point, and that is a dangerous idea as we well know from the unilateral actions of the current White House occupant. Even given the fact that Obama is very intelligent and Bush is dumber than an anvil, it would be foolish and unproductive for a President to negotiate face to face with an opposing nation.

If Obama is saying he would personally negotiate then he is wrong and is showing himself to be very naive and in need of some more years of seasoning. If he is saying his administration would pursue negotiations rather than the current bombastic threats and postures of war, then he is right. Unfortuntely I suspect its the former; he is young and has very little experience, particularly in the international arena.

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db NJ — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 09:34:10 GMT

obom(b)a THE GUY IS A 'MUSLIM' Wake up we might as well turn the country to Osama

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San Diego — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 14:24:12 GMT

All the weak-kneed leftists on this board have forgotten that while the American public is tired of the war in Iraq, the majority of Americans still want the U.S. to withdraw when the time is right. Indeed, no one wants another war, but we must use war rhetoric in dealing with an intransigent Iran. Oh, would you leftist morons suggest we negotiate with Al Qaeda, too? When the day comes that we are fighting terrorists here at home, you treasonous bastards will be dragged from your homes and gutted. Count on it!

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RuthieM — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 14:31:22 GMT

So who died and left Rudy Guiliani Mr. Know It? He knows nothing other than Like Biden said, a noun, a verb and 9-11 -- and oh, being a drag queen. If it weren't for 9-11 his poll numbers wouldn't even be 17%. He's been captializing on it ever since. Just because he was Mayor of NY what foreign relations experience does he have? None. His numbers have been UNDER Obama's and so has his intellect. He's also as usual exaggerating, Obama never said 'beg'. Apparently Obama struck a chord. Obama's absolutely correct and they all know he is and that is why they've all been following Obama at every turn on one side of their mouth and blasting him on the other.

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RuthieM — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 14:36:35 GMT

So who died and left Rudy Guiliani Mr. Know It? He knows nothing other than Like Biden said, a noun, a verb and 9-11 -- and oh, being a drag queen. If it weren't for 9-11 his poll numbers wouldn't even be 17%. He's been captializing on it ever since. Just because he was Queen Mayor of NY what foreign relations experience does he have? None. His numbers have been UNDER Obama's and so has his intellect. He's also as usual exaggerating, Obama never said 'beg'. Apparently Obama struck a chord. Obama's absolutely correct and they all know he is and that is why they've all been following Obama at every turn on one side of their mouth and blasting him on the other.

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JHD, Topsham, ME — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 15:37:46 GMT

Giuliani is a fascist. Electing him president will bring us right back to 1984. Not the Reagan years though, the book.

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John Doe, Chicago, Illinois — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 20:22:54 GMT

I, most likely, would not vote for a republican during the general election. However, the ire expressed by the writers of a number of these posts seems a bit imbalanced. It seems to me that either MSN is biased (which is quite impossible correct?) or the vast majority of these posts have been written by members of Obama's campaign team.

That being said, I would like to see an objective review of both candidates, and a review of recent history and how these two candidates have played a role by those who actually study it -- not these poorly thought out posts.

Anyone who has been involved with the legal system from the enforcement or prosecution end would agree with Giuliani's statement that Obama is naive -- if one were to view a dictator as an uncooperative suspect or witness. I would like to hear further thoughts on this.

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P,NY — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 01:29:46 GMT

I don't know I may be naive as well but if you think about it sitting down with the leaders of countries that oppose us idealogically might not be the worst way to go. For years this administration threatened and harangued Kim Jong Il. When they finally reversed their position and sat down with him, he asked for a few dollars(relatively speaking) some security issues to be addressed, and just a little respect. Do you all remember when that USAF spy plane was forced down in China? At first everyone was beating war drums and looking to send in an extraction team. What did we do? We sent Gen. Powell over there with his hat in his hand and APOLOGIZED! The results of these types of diplomatic overtures speak for themselves. My point is we don't have to threaten or harass other nations to get them to do what we want in fact it is counter productive. We are the Platinum Standard in the world when it comes to our ability to create good will unfortunately we can create ill will just as easily. It's time for a change, if you can't get behind Obama for whatever reason at least get behind the message. Talk is a lot cheaper than bloodshed.

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Jean, Iowa — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:07:26 GMT

On what Pete, from Chicago had to say about Obama.
I agree....all the people running for Presidental seat are elected officials. Soooo, someone tell me when they actually are "working" instead of out on the stump??
I think it has come down to picking the candidate with the most experience and least dirt. They aren't front runners.

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Nikki — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:09:37 GMT

Rudy Giuliani is a clown.

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James Arndt, Glendale, Wisconsin — Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:38:06 GMT

OK, I cannot even remember the last time we elected someone from congress president. That knocks out Hillary and Obama as well as John Mc Cain. Hillery's lead is mainly because people feel sorry for her because her husband is a SEX ADDICT and continually cheats on her. Obama, lets face it, the south is still too racist for him to be elected at this time.

Now as for the Democrats only Governor, that being New Mexico's Richardson. The man wants to drain the great lakes to supply all the morans that moved to the dessert. By saying that, he has just given up the states of; Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Pennslyvainia, and New York. None of those states are ever going to give up their fresh water for the for the people down there.

Now as for the Republicans the only men who have the a shot and why.

Rudy Gulliani, he is respected on both sides.

Mitt Rommeny, until JFK no one thought a Catholic could win. Just like now no one thinks that a Morman can win. History does repeat itself in this country.

Fred Thompson, people in this country are always facinated with people from Hollywood. Probably because they recognize the name.

Think about it the man who played Gopher on the Love Boat served in congress. Client Eastwood was a mayor. Sonny Bono was a mayor as well. Arnold Swartznagger is serving as Governor of California, a position which former actor Ronald Reagan held before he became President.