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Lyn, MD — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:23:37 GMT

I find it very interesting what you chose to highlight in the article. It went on to say:

I've heard that some folks in the barber shops, beauty shops - you know better than I - say to themselves, 'I like Obama . . . But I'm just not sure America's ready,' " Obama said at an NAACP dinner in Sumter Friday night.

"Say it!" someone called out, egging him on, and Obama continued mimicking the nay-sayers.

"I'm not sure other folks are ready. I'm not sure he can win."

"Preach!"

"Don't go around telling me I can't do something," Obama said, nearly yelling now. "Because if you're telling me I can't do something, that means you're telling your child they can't do something. That means you're telling yourself you can't do something. I don't believe that I can't."Continued
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"He does that, nobody beats him in South Carolina," said US Representative James Clyburn, a prominent black political leader in the state who is neutral in the primary.

As black voters wrestle with Obama's electability, the excitement he generates in black audiences is palpable.

Even Josey, the Morris student pessimistic about his chances, allows herself to dream.

"I think he can do big things," she said.

Jerome McCray, 42, who operates Today's Fashions in downtown Manning, said people have to realize that if no one has the courage to stand up, nothing will change.

"If you don't, who will?" said McCray, who is deciding between Clinton and Obama. "You have to be counted."

One person who has heard all this before is Kevin Johnson, Manning's 47-year-old mayor, who was elected in 2000 as the city's first black leader. When he first ran, he said, people told him the same thing they are telling Obama today.

"That's why I'm so passionate about this," Johnson said as well-wishers greeted him in the center of his city. "People have to put that doubt aside."

Why did you chose to leave the impression that all Black people believe he can't win?..Oh I see it was written by Domenico. Question answered.

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Scott, PA — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:27:53 GMT

So, he just put forward a comprehensive, clear and good approach to a Pakistan policy http://www.joebiden.com/newscenter/pressreleases?id=0214 . It was him that claimed that Bush had a Musharraf policy, not a Pakistan policy (others soon echoed his sentiments).

Then, instead of blowing off steam and rhettoric on the Pakistani mess and the WH follies (as he pointed out before this whole mess started, he comes out with a plan, a multiprong comprehensive plan of attack!
He has this type of plan for Iraq as well! He doesn't just talk the talk, he has what it takes to develop the sophisticated plans needed to handle the world's affairs, and publishes them. - No other candidates can do this. They offer diplomacy or change or other energized 'words' but not concrete plans.

Someone please tell me why I should vote for any of the front-runners over this guy. I am looking for a strong reason.

Oh-eight (D): Obama on Hillary, John

Bill Collins, Virginia — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:31:42 GMT

The happy bs Bill and Hillary put out on Bill's first election run isn't going to work this time around. Everyone knows their little routines where each tries to cover for the others mistakes. It was cute then, it's just annoying now.

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Margaret, NYC — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:35:52 GMT

Obama's campaign theme of "opposing" the war when he couldn't vote doesn't square with his record when he could vote. If Obama were REALLY opposed to the war, why was he silent during his first year in office? Why did he vote with Repubs for every war funding bill - until he entered the prez race?

Very deceptive.

Oh-eight (D): Obama on Hillary, John

Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:38:59 GMT

So it is better to release nothing at all than incomplete records? I disagree. If you expect Hillary to release her records, then you better damn well be willing to do the same, regardless of how "complete" they are.

The last sentence - his concern that it will put him in a position that could be "misleading" - reveals that Obama is a politician just like any other politician. If it makes him look bad, he won't do it - even if he has asked other candidates to do the same thing.

Oh-eight (D): Obama on Hillary, John

vanreuter, NY NY — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:40:55 GMT

November 09, 2007
Read More: Bill Clinton

Dept. of schadenfreude

Sanctimonious watchdog group concedes error.

Correction: Nov. 8: Our story originally stated that Sen. Clinton’s response to Russert’s question was misleading. We made the same MISTAKE Russert did, MISREADING the former President’s letter to the Archives."

(Not to pick on FactCheck.org, which often does very good work.)"
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1107/Dept_of_Schadenfreude.html

Oh, that's freaking rich; A hundred stories everywhere and her opponents attacking over something that was FALSE and a crummy little one paragraph Bullshit, cop-out) retraction.
So Russert, MISREAD the letter? Must have been really complicated stuff.

Van

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Shadow, Hamden, CT — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:48:11 GMT

Unlike Bill, Obama didn't write any letters banning the documents from being released, and then blame it on "the processees". Having one person on your staff is a credible delay, but complaining about the delay when a letter has been written to guarantee it is disingenuous; furthermore, we already know a LOT more about what Obama did in the Illinois State Senate than we know about what Clinton did as first lady, because the former is an elected office of public record, and the latter is not.

Oh-eight (D): Obama on Hillary, John

--NSMSNBC — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:49:19 GMT

"Clinton -- who has been suffering from a cough she blames in part on seasonal allegories [allergies]..." Yes, it's easy suffer from seasonal allegories when you cannot offer a straight answer. Anyway, I really posted this to make a statement that will reflect poorly upon myself. I've always found those suffering from allergies to be genetically or at least physically inferior, which does not jive with my mental picture of President; though clearly not a reason not to vote for somebody. (Some of our best Presidents were paralyzed from polio). I am a terrible person.

Wow, a Clinton-oriented fact check—that would be like going to Bush to fact check the Iraq war. Anyway, as I was driving my Toyota and listening to NPR this morning, the NPR correspondent who broke the story stated that he should have questioned the Clinton’s before airing. Anyway, the waitress says that she never got the tip, but the Clinton campaign says that it left a tip of approximately $100. They said that they paid it on credit card, which according to the waitress was broken. To which they then said that they left about $100 in cash to which some of the other waitresses might have kept, but the waitress claims that they wouldn’t do that. The manager was not present at the restaurant at the time. They also mentioned that a Clinton spokesperson stopped by the restaurant yesterday to pay a $20 tip. I don’t know who’s right and who’s wrong in this she said, she said scenario and frankly, I don’t really care. You all were too funny arguing over this yesterday. I loved the post about Clinton would have received $2,300 in donations if the establishment had a Chinese dishwasher or Bee’s comment on fiscal irresponsibility if she was in fact joking.

In response to all the black folk with the feeling of “All those white people? Come on.” You’re in America, if you want something you have to stand up and fight for it, errr vote for it. Putting aside whether it’s right or wrong to vote based on race or gender, I do respect the women who are voting for Clinton based on symbolic gender equality, because at least they are standing up for something they believe. (I however dislike terms like ‘empowerment’ or ‘class ceiling’, ugh too feminine?) I’m obviously not a fan of the current state of the civil rights movement, because I think they are failing their people.

That was a lot of writing, hmmm I feel like I should end this post differently.

Van

Oh-eight (D): Obama on Hillary, John

John S. Alexander, Edinboro, PA — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:05:37 GMT

Obama is slowing falling apart, the experience question and the idea that he must continue to attack the people ahead of him in the polls show a man swinging at shadows.
Oh, his papers could be misleading, but Hills papers will, what, show clarity. strange and stranger, will he quit giving the repubs ammunition or will he be one of the reasons they get more?

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Peter, Fall City, WA — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:11:18 GMT

2008 Presidential Election Weekly Poll
http://www.votenic.com
Results Posted Every Tuesday Evening.

Oh-eight (D): Obama on Hillary, John

John Z. — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:16:44 GMT

Update on the no-tip story: NPR reports that the manager was not at the restaurant when the Clinton group was there and thinks that some waitresses were tipped but not the one in the NPR story. That waitress, who was working the counter, stands by her story despite the panicky insistence of Clinton staffers that somehow she had to have been tipped.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16143435

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vanreuter, NY NY — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:22:09 GMT

Obama Loses Our Vote
Thursday, November 08 2007 @ 10:34 AM EST
Edited by: Michael Hess

But Not for Being Too Young

BBSNews Blog 2007-11-08 -- According to news reports Barack Obama has made it clear that Hillary Clinton is too old to unite the country and incessant harping on the same old tired issues since the 1960's is also getting old. There are many quick retorts that come to mind, and none of them particularly favoring Obama's new found point of view, and we won't review them here.

What's clear is that there is now a sense of desperation as the fight for the Democratic nomination draws near, and the Obama campaign is clearly desperately lashing out trying to get some traction against what is increasingly becoming a forgone conclusion; Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee for president of the United States in the upcoming 2008 presidential election.

For good or bad, Republicans and most Democrats know that Hillary Clinton is the electable candidate. Republicans have made their choice as well. Some are holding onto principles, some are endorsing Rudy Giuliani including Pat Robertson.

The United States will become even less united under another Republican administration. US standing in the world is at an all time low given the horrible state of affairs that the current Republican administration has fomented world-wide with war being on the top of the agenda and real peace nothing but a far away dream.

Those of us who never gave up the idealism of the 60's cannot afford to pick a candidate that reflects 'go along to get along' values just to garner a few votes and sell down the river the Democratic values that brought America the Civil Rights Act and countless other initiatives and laws that helped level the social, economic and business playing fields in America. And that work is clearly far from finished.

According to the New York Daily News Obama said on America's right-wing extremist network Fox News:

"'Sen. Clinton and others, they've been fighting some of the same fights since the '60s, and it makes it very difficult for them to bring the country together to get things done.'"

Bye bye Barack. Who knew that the fight for equal rights, fairness and equal treatment under the law had an expiration date?

http://bbsnews.net/article.php/2007110810342814

Van

Oh-eight (D): Obama on Hillary, John

Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:40:41 GMT

Shadow:

I didn't see Obama saying that this was a delay. He defended his failure to release his own records by saying that they were incomplete and might put him in a position that is "misleading." He didn't say he was working to compile his records and release them as soon as possible. He may have had a staff of 1 then, but he has a pretty big staff now.

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ki houston — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:41:28 GMT

thank you shadow , you beat my to the punch . Carrie can you please read shadows post . And would you people quit trying to grasp at straws because your candidate is not forcomming . As for as being transparent if you are trying to compare obama in any way to clinton ,you ethier dont know any thing about whats been going on in politics the last ten years or just being lead like sheep ;.

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CitizenJ — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:43:56 GMT

vanreuter, NY NY (Sent Friday, November 09, 2007 11:22 AM)

Van,

I am disappointed that you would post something like that. First of all, BBS News? Second of all, this reeks of bias.

"Bye bye Barack. Who knew that the fight for equal rights, fairness and equal treatment under the law had an expiration date?"

No respectable journalist would put this in a factual news story.

"For good or bad, Republicans and most Democrats know that Hillary Clinton is the electable candidate."

And where are the facts to support this?

"Those of us who never gave up the idealism of the 60's cannot afford to pick a candidate that reflects 'go along to get along' values just to garner a few votes and sell down the river the Democratic values that brought America the Civil Rights Act and countless other initiatives and laws that helped level the social, economic and business playing fields in America. And that work is clearly far from finished."

And this?

If by posting this article, you were just intending to put out another opinion by someone who has clearly made up their mind, then that is fine. But this shouldn't be posted as fact.

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Kevin, Greenville, SC — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:45:11 GMT

It is amazing to me that neither MSNBC nor any other media organization has tried to "connect the dots" re Clinton's huge earmarks. How does "fiscal responsibility" reconcile with the complete and utter lack of oversight for how contractors waste these tax dollars? For example, what oversight does upstate New York contractor and ultimate earmark-recipient Lockheed-Martin receive? The answer: none.

Look how much oversight they receive on the 200+ million dollar per year USAF GCSS contract that Lockheed runs from Endicott, NY.

Look at http://www.herbb.hanscom.af.mil/esc_opps.asp?rfp=R1291 and read the first Q&A response in "GCSS-AF II Industry Day Questions & Answers," a Word document named, "ID_Q_A_071106.doc"

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Kristian O — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:46:03 GMT

I don't know who will win the Democratic nomination outright, but I do one thing. Hillary will not win in Iowa. #rd at best is where Hillary finishes come January 3rd.

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Mike K, Denver — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:47:04 GMT

Van,

That article you just posted is a piece of utter crap. The reason Obama states that the way of doing business from the 1960s is broken is NOT because things like civil liberites and equal rights is wrong or has an "expiration date", but that the WAY of doing things is wrong. The 1960s were some of the most turbulent times in the world's history. Back then, you did go to war or take military action.

The world is far more inter-connected today than it was 40 years ago. Television, newspapers, and most importantly, the internet has connected the people of the world in a way that people living back then couldn't begin to fathom. Force, or the threat of force, was the only means to ending any hostility between nations. Now, that is entirely not the case.

THAT, my friend, is the reason why Obama dismisses the people of Bill and Hillary's generation. They believe strongly that their way of doing business is the ONLY way of doing it. Hillary attempts to talk diplomacy, and yet states that she is against leaving Iraq? Why? It's that mentality that that generation holds. Why do you think she called him "naive and inexperienced?" It's because she grew up in a time when you didn't sit down with your enemies. You shoved your military down their throats a la Dubya.

It has nothing to do with losing out on civil rights. Hell, he's a black man running for President. You don't think that he understands the position he is from the aspect of race relations in the country? If you think he doesn't, and the author of that article is one of these people, you have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about and should NOT be taken seriously.

Oh-eight (D): Obama on Hillary, John

Lewis,Cincinnati, Ohio — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:58:09 GMT

I agree with KI and Shadow. I don't think Clinton campaign wants to have the transperency arguement with the Obama campaign or they would be doing it!!!

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Scott, PA — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:58:52 GMT

This is still not part of the importance of a real discussion of qualifications. Are we to believe that, somehow, these hidden records would reveal some sort of real qualifications?

In comparing the Democrat candidates:
The way I see it, there are no real differences in the domestic social agendas save for a difference in scope.
The only real domestic difference here is that most of Washignton's leaders are willing to work with Joe Biden and cross the aisle for him, as apparent in the 75 vote Iraq Exit strategy. (Also for his Crime Bill, His violence against Women Act and Dodd has the Family of Medical Leave Act). No other candidate has this unification strength.
The foriegn experience he has shadows all other candidates.

Oh-eight (D): Obama on Hillary, John

--NSMSNBC — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:58:59 GMT

Oh-eight (D): Obama on Hillary, John

Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:01:20 GMT

So clinton did a whole lot of good things and Obama has done much less.Just vote democratic.

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Scott Oxford, OH — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:03:02 GMT

Van (and Michael Hess) -

You have misquoted Obama as has much of the media regarding his statements. He said Hillary is fighting the same way it was fought in the 60s - esp. in regards to the '68 election. You only divide the nation up into what you can and can't win, then work a little in the areas you could win. It's why McGovern lost. Obama was simply stating that he doesn't see the country that way. He's campaigning to every group - dems, republicans, independents, old, young, families, black, white asians, latino, small towns, big cities, and it goes on and on.

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Dr. Greg — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:12:33 GMT

Check out the compilation of polling results on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_States_presidential_election%2C_2008

Senator Obama's comments are well verified here. Senator Clinton's ratings are double-edged - she has more favorable votes, but far more unfavorable votes than Obama. With Obama's large "unsure" group, he can win support Senator Clinton simply can't. Further, with NBC slowly morphing into the polar-opposite of FOX, we may create a Democratic-party demagogue if Senator Clinton wins the 2008 primaries and general election.

I can't help but begin to see a replay of the 2000 election again, but with the Clinton's Democratic Party being the party who wins by technicality...

Oh-eight (D): Obama on Hillary, John

Freeman Female, Dallas, TX — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:12:36 GMT

When you are losing GROUND in the polls then you must SMEAR your opponents to change the subject.

Has anyone else noticed Van's(Howard) new posting methods. He is on every board with a different "negative" article that is smearing Obama.

I am sure it is from his free time in not wanting to tout the slippery slide Hillary is taking in the polls.

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Yiannis, Baltimore — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:13:33 GMT

Carrie you misunderstand,

The problem is not so much that Hillary told us she won't release her records. But that she is so condenscending to be thinking that we believe the "I have nothing to do with how fast the archives are released" excuse.

She should have just said that she is afraid repugs will use it to misinform people. And that would have been the end of it.

But instead of squaring she mislead. There's a pattern of her doing that.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:14:50 GMT

Ki - I read it, and have responded to it. Thanks for butting in. It's always nice to be treated to your insulting posts. :)

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Shadow, Hamden, CT — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:33:38 GMT

Carrie - Then the question remains why are you assuming that Obama is refusing to release them? I wouldn't have assumed it about Hillary if Bill hadn't written a letter refusing to release them. Once that cat was out of the bag, still claiming that "processees" were the hold up was a bold face lie, and far more offensive and telling to me than the more heavily covered driver's license waffle. I don't know yet for sure who has my vote, but one thing is clear to anyone who does the research; Obama's ethical record is the strongest we've had in a potential President in the modern era, and Clinton's ethical record does not begin to approach it by any objective measure. Not even close. Assuming the two are on common ethical ground is itself insulting to the intelligence.

Oh-eight (D): Obama on Hillary, John

mort levine — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:33:56 GMT

While the media,Republician candidates as well as other Democratic candidates continue to nibble away at Hillary like the bunch of mice they really are,none of them are willing to take note that the American public continues to give her an ever increasing lead in almost all the polls.The Democrats,with their attacks against one of their own,seemed to be heading down the road once again that leads to shooting themselves in the foot.WAKE UP GUYS!!!At the rate you're going ,we're going to have another "good old boy", N.Y.style,in the White House.

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AOWaytogoOhio — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:35:46 GMT

Scott, because the republicans will eat him alive, thats why.

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mike, dallas, Tx — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:56:32 GMT

Why are we seeing day after day a bias against Obama especially when the piece is written by DOMENICO?
I have in the past shown Domenico his mistakes and to his credit corrected them. However, he still continues the negative slant coverage on Obama and it becomes annoying to go after his misinformations every day.

It will be nice to hear from NBC Political Director Chuck Todd about this. Is this a free wheeling enterprise where reporters inflate theier favorite candidate image(Hillary for Domenico) and misinform on other candiates(again Domenico example, initial reporting on the Flag Pin on Obama-where he later changed the title and the content of the piece after our outrage). How long is this going to continue Chuck?

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Ana — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:58:13 GMT

"Although Obama has suggested in recent days that Clinton should do more to push for the release of archival documents from her time as first lady, he defended his own lack of a document retention procedure from his Illinois Senate days, saying he had a staff of just one. ‘Whatever remaining documents that I have are inevitably incomplete and then the question is going to be where's this, where's that,’ he said. ‘Once I start heading down that road, then it puts me in a position that could end up being misleading.’”

Let me get this straight, Obama pushed Clinton to release her record as First Lady but doesn't want to release his own record?????

Oh-eight (D): Obama on Hillary, John

Robin, Montpelier, VT — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:03:46 GMT

A response to: 'Sen. Clinton and others, they've been fighting some of the same fights since the '60s, and it makes it very difficult for them to bring the country together to get things done.'"

who knew that the fight for equal rights, fairness and equal treatment under the law had an expiration date?

http://bbsnews.net/article.php/200711081034281

I actually don't believe you think that Barack is playing the age card. You have got to be kidding, this sounds like a Hillary attack - which was the same. There were certain politics that are associated from that era and the Clintons were well known for that type of politicing. Just recently she was put on the cover of a popular political magazine (can't remember the name right now) and the interviewer had to say she came away with Hillary still working under the same kind of politics as she and Bill were working under during their day. I don't believe Barack Obama would make a statement with such little depth as you speak of, Barack is quite aware of what he speaks about. Within Barack statement - Change, that is his message. Also, just because Barack is younger does not mean he just jumped off the boat yesterday...He realizes what Barack Obama wants to do for this country and it certainly not the same as the last upteen years. I just cannot see a whole lot of change with Hillary and Bill by her side. Note: Barack is almost 50 himself.

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Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:13:28 GMT

Ana, excellent question... that the Obama folks just don't want to hear.

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common sense democrat — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:13:58 GMT

Just vote democratic on election day.

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rouiknutmen, Devonia, o-HI-o — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:22:30 GMT

America is doomed. Someone must have peed in the gene pool.

While fascists control our government and just about every facet of our lives, the Hitler Youth, walking in lockstep, argue about who did or did not leave a tip, and about which fascist is more preferable. It is quite clear to me that America is about ready to implode from its own stupidity.

Good riddance. Maybe the next lizards that crawl out of the slime will produce more intelligent offspring. Even a potted plant would be an improvement.

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ki houston — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:28:14 GMT

carrie , did not mean for you to take my post as an insult . dont know what makes you say that when my opinion was to the general public . might want to read it again .

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Psychic Mary — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:28:35 GMT

My vision is exquisitely clear. Hillary Clinton will be our next president. This is absolute.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:35:24 GMT

J-

It's one of MANY articles about Barack's statements, and as one of those '60's people, I am (I believe justifiably) ticked off.
Check out Tom Brokaw on last night's, "Countdown".
Who said that Obama fails to grasp that if not for those boomers and their battles for social justice, there wouldn't be a Barack Obama candidacy.

Sorry if you feel the source is not up to my usual standards, but with the big story here today concerning whether or not some waitress go tipped, it would seem that I am not alone.
I do appreciate being held to a standard though.

Van

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CitizenJ — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:35:38 GMT

"Ana, excellent question... that the Obama folks just don't want to hear."

G (Sent Friday, November 09, 2007 1:13 PM)

Here is the difference: Clinton's records are complete. They are in the possession of the archives. As First Lady, she had a (virtually) limitless group of staffers to take care of all her papers. The records are complete; they just aren't being released.

As a state senator, Obama had a staff of one person. One person to handle all of his records. What he is saying is that if people look through his records, there are going to be lots of things missing. One person can't keep up with all of that.

One more key difference: Clinton keeps saying that she is the more experienced candidate. She touts her time as First Lady as a great part of that experience. If we can't see her records to see what she did as First Lady, why should we believe her? Obama's record as a state senator is available in his voting record, etc. There is far less to learn from his incomplete records than there is from Clinton's complete records.

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ki houston — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:41:24 GMT

ana and g , i would refer you to shadows first post and mine their after ,and you will see how misinformed you are and late to the argument . Might want to get schooled in political procedure.

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Kristian O — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:47:52 GMT

Yo Psychic M., I love ya babe. Ya girl is going down, but I love ya nonetheless. Peace. KO

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Yog Goel — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:48:35 GMT

Mary,

Hillary will be next president in your dream...I am democrate but will never vote for her. If she will be democrate candidte then democrate will loose 5 votes to republican

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CitizenJ — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:01:00 GMT

vanreuter, NY NY (Sent Friday, November 09, 2007 1:35 PM)

Van,

I actually hadn't heard about these statements. I'm assuming the following statement is the one in question:

"'Sen. Clinton and others, they've been fighting some of the same fights since the '60s, and it makes it very difficult for them to bring the country together to get things done.'"

If this is the statement that has everyone pissed, then I don't really understand. I don't see how this means that he thinks "the fight for equal rights, fairness and equal treatment under the law had an expiration date". His statment may be poorly worded, but only if you take it without regard to anything he stands for should it anger anyone. This is what I get from the statement:

If you are fighting (viciously) for a certain thing against the same group of people for 40 years, it isn't likely that becoming president will all of the sudden bring everyone together to make it happen. On the other hand, if you are someone who hasn't been fighting with this group for 40 years, and actually has a reputation for working WITH this group to accomplish things, it seems much more likely that this person will be able to get things done.

I think that is his argument. If there are other statemtents out there, then I reserve the right to amend my position. But until then, I am simply not convinced that this sole statement means he thinks that the "fight" is over.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:14:56 GMT

Carrie can you please read shadows post . And would you people quit trying to grasp at straws because your candidate is not forcomming . As for as being transparent if you are trying to compare obama in any way to clinton ,you ethier dont know any thing about whats been going on in politics the last ten years or just being lead like sheep ;.
ki houston (Sent Friday, November 09, 2007 11:41 AM)

That was to the general public? Funny, I see my name right there, right before you accuse me of grasping at straws. Hm. Maybe YOU should go back and read it again.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:17:17 GMT

Carrie, I think that a candidate is supposed to keep their campaign and professional staff separate. Anybody feel free to correct me if I am wrong. I think that I actually remember Clinton getting into trouble awhile ago for sending campaign memos from her Senate office or through her Senate staff or something of the related. That girl seems to have a knack for trouble.
--NSMSNBC (Sent Friday, November 09, 2007 11:58 AM)

Then have his campaign staff do it. We are talking about his records from when he was in the ILLINOIS state legislature, not the US Senate. He is talking about his records being incomplete because he only had one staffer during that time. Well, send in a staffer and get them sorted out now. Doesn't have to be someone on his Senate staff.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:19:50 GMT

Shadow - This is what he said: ‘Whatever remaining documents that I have are inevitably incomplete and then the question is going to be where's this, where's that,’ he said. ‘Once I start heading down that road, then it puts me in a position that could end up being misleading.’

That, to me, sounds like he is not going to release them at all. There is not one indication in that statement that he intends to release a damn thing. Do you see any?

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Bee — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:25:06 GMT

Carrie,

Why are you all hyped up today. Dang! you must have just finished talking to Hillary. IS she doing okay with her cold?

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docrock,tx — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 20:01:34 GMT

Go to DAILY KOS for some enlightening info on all candidates.But please realize that if the country's direction does not change,we will fall just as Rome before us.End this senseless,illegal slaughter.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 20:05:04 GMT

Bee: I wouldn't call it hyped up. More like fed up.

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Stu Des Moines — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 20:26:29 GMT

As an Iowa caucus goer it warms my heart to see the great posts about Joe Biden. What I can tell you from on the ground here is that his support is increasing and people are starting to get fed up with the ridiculous amount of money being spent to buy a caucus win. To Edwards, Clinton and Obama - Iowa and Iowans are not for sale. To anyone. At any price.

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Barbara C., Pompano Beach, FL — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 20:42:53 GMT

Hey Guys...

I want to know since when has "CLAPPING" become either a Domestic or a Foreign Policy Issue in this Campaign. I tuned in the last five minutes of Chris Matthews last night, and he actually had a Roundtable Discussion on WHY Hillary Claps so much.

Tune In tomorrow folks and they may discuss why RUDY talks with a LISP...but don't hold your breath.

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Joe, Boston, MA — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 20:45:52 GMT

The media and money wins elections. If the media gave a third of the amount of time to Biden he would be our next president. Rather sad the way the system now works. This is democracy??

Why people don't take Biden seriously is beyond me.

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Joe, Boston, MA — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 20:56:51 GMT

Barbara,

Chris Matthews is obsessed with Clinton and it's disgusting. He made that comment before about her clapping. Obama does the same thing but he never mentions him for clapping and the one shoulder hugging to everyone he meets. I like watching his show but I think he's rude towards Clinton. I'm a Biden fan but think Matthews' comments towards Clinton are out of line.

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Blaze — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:35:11 GMT

Fact is that Clinton has a longer public exposure than Obama has. Be it good or bad everybody will have a greater chance of scrutiny about her. Is it experience? Is it just being a public figure? It all depends on who looks at it. The thing is we have to understand as voters where the candidates are coming from and how they deal with the process of getting elected. One thing is sure they all wanted the best for us and our country, They will have different opinions and in the process of giving their ideas they will for sure make a mistake along the way. If you have made up your mind on a candidate then there is no sense getting involved until election day. NO sense giving your opinions.

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Scott,PA — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:44:21 GMT

Blaze,
Thank you, This is why I was calling for a discussion.

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--NSMSNBC — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:54:23 GMT

What is with all the hate for Chris Matthews. I guess when you write a book titled, "Life's a Campaign," then you are bound to be 'Swift-Voted.' I think he's often right on the issues, very interesting to watch and he's the only political program I'll really tune into anymore. The clapping is a valid point, because it shows how Hillary responds to criticism. The laugh was the same way. But he cricizes and praises all of the candidates, Hillary included. His comments are hardly sexist, if you think so, then you are naiive. If you want to learn about the candidate, go and listen to them or check out their webpage. If you want good, unbiased political commentary, tune into FirstRead or Chris Matthews (or NPR). I think they all do a great job.

P.S. Rudy's speaking impediment really irritates me. It makes his criticisms of other candidates much more sharp, and since I'm from the MidWest ...

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Michael — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:11:16 GMT

Sometimes Edwards is a mook! Go and support EndHillary.com

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:19:33 GMT

Barbara:

He was discussing it on Morning Joe yesterday morning, too. I was disgusted. I normally love Chris Matthews, but come on! Mika was right to point out that the other candidates are not being scrutinized for their clapping patterns or laughter.

If you're happy and you know it, clap your hands! (Or not)

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:21:18 GMT

NSMSNBC:

How does it show how she responds to criticism? He pointed to her at events in which she was clapping while people were being introduced and (from what I gathered anyway) music was being played. I saw nothing wrong with the timing of her clapping. It's not like she was in the middle of an interview and she just started clapping for no reason. It was appropriate under the circumstances.

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Jan, OH — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:04:54 GMT

For the last two weeks, the media has been obsessed with bringing Hillary down. Seems like a replay of the last election. See the following link: http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2004/01/13/dean_media/index_np.html. It is very hard to watch Chris Matthews and Tucker Carlson. It's quite obvious that Obama is their favorite candidate.

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Stephanie, Marion, Ia — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 05:09:39 GMT

carrie,
I'd be fd up to if I was supporting Hillary. Frankly I don't care about the release of Obama's records while he was in the Ill. State Legislature. He has a public record of what he did or didn't do as an Ill legislator, that I doubt it is that difficult to access. Your candidate (oh that's right you're still undecided, other than you hate Obama, and rarely defend anyone but Hillary)claims 35 years of child advocacy, but doesn't have a record of 35 years of child advocacy. (Unless you count the year she worked as a child advocate 35 years ago, and then count each year afterward as a year advocating for children regardless of whether she actually did so professionally- or has proof of any actual volunteer work during each year between her actual job as a child advocate 35 years ago and the present. However when someone says they have taught for 35 years, they aren't talking about one teaching job in 1972, and none after that through 2007)

Even assuming Obama is not releasing records all that means is he isn't pure either. You do realize Carrie this isn't a two candidate race, right? However, Hillary apparently thinks the voters are idiots. In the past you claimed to have graduated from law school. I assume you are above average intelligence, is your loyalty towards a candidate, you still claim not to be committed to, or employed by, so blind that you don't see that she is lying, or doesn't honest matter to you. At the Dartmouth debate he was asked about whether she would release the Clinton library donor records before the caucus, or general election (President Clinton has said that if she's elected THEN he'd release them, because the public would have a right to know who might be trying to influence her administration)Hillary Clinton first claimed this was Bill's decision, when Tim Russert asked if she would ask Bill to release the records she claimed that she doesn't talk about her private conversations with her husband! Excuse me Hillary, but you were asked will you ask Bill to release the records, it's a yes or no question, either you will or won't ask. Then at the Philadelphia debate she was asked about all the records in th nayional archives that aren't being released because Bill wrote and directed they not be released until 2012. She was asked whether she would ask him to rescind the letter. Again she claimed no control over Bill. Excuse me, but it's this type of BS that is making it hard for me to retain any respect for Hillary. Either Hillary has absolutely no influence over her husband, or Hillary doesn't want the records released and is claiming a lack of influence over her spouse. Neither option is good. She's either a liar (that's where my money is), or despite all she has done for Bill the last 30+ years her own husband, won't release records as a favor to her. If that was the truth (as opposed to Hillary hiding behind Bill to prevent the release of records that either show she did little in the WH after screwing up health care, or she had her hand in the things she claims to be involved in, but the records would embarrass her)then why would any one vote for her. If a candidate can't even get their own spouse to help her out, then how do you expect the candidate to persuade any one else.

Wake up Carrie, take thye rose colored glasses off, Hillary isn't who you want her to be, which is why if she's the nominee she will make the 1988 race look close!

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:33:36 GMT

*yawn* Oh sorry...there I was dozing off again.

Stephanie, I don't know who you are and frankly, I don't care. Pay more attention, please.