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MK,MO — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:24:14 GMT

if I were the republicans I don't believe I would bring up the federal budget

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MK,MO — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:35:34 GMT

“Now, three years later, Edwards, 54, is the attacker in the Democratic primaries - the candidate most unstinting in his opposition to the Bush administration and most willing to turn his fire on rivals from his own party. Hillary Clinton has borne the brunt of Edwards's attacks, which he portrays as a matter of principle - his belief that Clinton is too tolerant of special-interest politics and too accepting of Bush's aggressive posture in the Middle East."

you would think edwards had pulled a knife on the hillary or something the way the media portrays his pointing out the many un-savory attributes of her as 'attacks', the press should pull out the dictionary and look up the word 'attack' it really is not an accurate description of what edwards is doing.
I guess the media wants to keep the checks coming, facts seem to rate further down the priority list. at least hillary's crew will be in control of the debate tonight, look for edwards to get tasered if he states anything that could be considered negative about hillary.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:52:31 GMT

typical people running for President.....

Everyone makes promises they cannot keep. Bill Clinton could not keep 60% of the promises he made in 1992. Considering that congress sets the table, the President can promise all the pie in the sky he/she wants, but it is congress that tells them how much pie they are going to get served.

Pardon Me?
Hillary Clinton Takes Cash From Recipients of Husband's Controversial Pardons
By JAKE TAPPER

Nov. 15, 2007 —

Three recipients of controversial 11th-hour pardons issued by former President Bill Clinton in January 2001 have donated thousands of dollars to the presidential campaign of his wife, Democratic front-runner Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., according to campaign finance records examined by ABC News, in what some good government groups said created an appearance of impropriety.

If these people did get some sort of a pardon from President Clinton, then there should be a law barring this kind of contributions. It does give one the impression that the contributions were some sort of payback for the pardons, but, unless, one can prove this, this is one allegation that probably will fade away.

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Dot, Illinoisd — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:57:25 GMT

Looks like the ABC story focuses on campaign contributions to Senator Clinton from individuals who were given last minute pardons by President Clinton. So, here's another story that her advisors will need to be deal with. The amount of the contributions was very small, but I doubt that the Republicans will let that fact keep them from trying to exploit the issue.

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Toby Stephens, Carroll NH — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:12:45 GMT

Broder coming in right on cue. Between him and Gergen, those two are the leaders of the media wing of the Democratic party.

Only two things can derail the Dems Broder? Maybe two dozen things. One is the fact that the war in Iraq is being won. Haven't much about that in the news lately now have we? Another is the economy, which gets bumped and bruised, but just keeps on growing.

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Toby Daniels, Vermont — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:29:50 GMT

Dot --- The amount of the contributions was very small, but I doubt that the Republicans will let that fact keep them from trying to exploit the issue.

The Republicans? What about the unbiased media? They should be all over this issue. But, you are correct, if the contributions were 'small', Hillary wouldn't even give them a sniff. You have to bundle in a million of more dollars to get Hillary's undivided attention.

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--NSMSNBC — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:30:47 GMT

Joe Biden needs to become more than a single policy (foreign policy) politician, because many of his positions are solid.

If I were him, I'd alter Obama's line about how if he is the nominee the republicans cannot say that he voted for the war (either one current and future) to if Biden is the democrat nominee, his republican opponents won't be able to speak out on his lack of experience. This is something that would contrast him with all 3 democratic frontrunners and all but McCain and Huckabee of the republican frontrunners.

Curious about Barack Obama and the level of honesty he brings to politics? Just 'Google' him.

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James G., Oak Park, MI — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:55:39 GMT

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Stu, Saginaw, MI — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:27:40 GMT

Back in the '70's, Vice-President Agnew coined a term regarding the media which seems to exactly fit 75% of the commentators to this blog, and of whom Jerry is the epitome: "Nattering nabobs of negativism".
Fortunately, there are some, like Van and Dot who are seemingly objective in their comments (there are a few others whose names escape me for the moment).

Take Jerry for instance: He has never, ever told us who or what he is FOR, only that he is against Hillary. Jerry, WHO ARE YOU FOR?

Folks, you'll never get me to agree with you if all you do is to make negative comments without telling me who you're for and why. I'm not a Hillary fan, yet these ticky-tacky attacks on minutae stuff like driver's licenses in New York is about as infantile and sophomorish as it can get.

I don't comment as often as do most of you, but when I have, you've never seen me to be negative as to any candidate. That may change but, if it does, I'll only do so regarding issues.

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Lee in CA — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:49:11 GMT

"Only two things can derail the Dems Broder? Maybe two dozen things. One is the fact that the war in Iraq is being won. Haven't much about that in the news lately now have we?"

Maybe you should stop watching fair and balanced Zieg Heil News. There's been quite a bit on NBC about how attacks are down (good news!), but you just keep whining.

"Another is the economy, which gets bumped and bruised, but just keeps on growing."

Drink deeply of the Kool-Aide - the Kool-Aide will protect you from facts and harsh reality.

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Junous Coston, Mosinee, WI — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:49:42 GMT

Sorry NSMSNBC, but Joe Biden did indeed vote for the war in Iraq. He has however, apologized for his vote.
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And, that's all that matters for the Democrats. It's not what you do, it's how you feel about it.

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Sara, Cedar Rapids, Iowa — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:29:53 GMT

Sorry NSMSNBC, but Joe Biden did indeed vote for the war in Iraq. He has however, apologized for his vote. With his Foreign Policy experience, I think he'll make a great Secretary of State for either Obama or Edwards. I don't know if he'll want to serve in a Clinton Admin though I could be wrong.

James G., Oak Park, MI

Joe Biden needs to become more than a single policy (foreign policy) politician, because many of his positions are solid.
--NSMSNBC

1. Joe Biden has made it clear he will not be anyone's secretary of state. And as I've heard him say countless times he will not be Secretary of State under any administration. And as he often says, given the state of the world, why would anyone want to support a candidate who they did not feel was qualified to be secretary of state?

2. Biden often talks about his domestic accomplishments, the Biden crime bill, the violence against womens act, his work on the judiciary (Bork et al)If you were in Iowa you would see coverage of his speeches and town hall meetings where these matters are covered. But the national media covers his foreign policy experience, because lets face it he has more knowledge and experience in this area than all other candidates combined.

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--NSMSNBC — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:55:53 GMT

Okay people ...

First Obama has the line about not voting for the war, and the Republicans won't be able to say he did. I said that Biden should adapt that line to say that the Republicans won't be able to say that he's inexperienced. Maybe it's ambiguously written, but a little common sense and you sould be able to figure that out.

Sara, honey, I said that his domestic positions were solid. Blame the MSM all you want, but it is Biden who often relates foreign policy to domestic issues on the stump. And I would bet you that if you found somebody on the street who knows something about Biden, it wouldn't be his healthcare plan, it would be is Iraq plan. Foreign policy is his comfort zone, understandably. It seems to me like he is using his candidacy to voice is foreign policy.

Junous Coston, Mosinee, WI: I wish we had a President now who could admit a mistake, like running for office in the first place.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:00:16 GMT

Take Jerry for instance: He has never, ever told us who or what he is FOR, only that he is against Hillary. Jerry, WHO ARE YOU FOR?

You must be new Stu....

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:18:45 GMT

sierra, if you want to learn something about the dirty side of Barrack Obama that the press doesn't talk about, and you refuse to acknowledge, take a look at this;

www.suntimes.com/news/politics/184540,122306obama.article

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:25:52 GMT

".....If these people did get some sort of a pardon from President Clinton, then there should be a law barring this kind of contributions. It does give one the impression that the contributions were some sort of payback for the pardons, but, unless, one can prove this, this is one allegation that probably will fade away.
jerry/corpus christi texas (Sent Thursday, November 15, 2007 9:52 AM)....."

You're way out of bounds on this one jerry.
Your hero, "Gigolo Rudy 'G'" has, for years, been lobbying to get a Presidential pardon for Michael Milken.
Milken is a heavy-duty contributor to Giuliani's campaign(s).
Furthermore, Bush's father pardoned George Steinbrenner, who was once convicted of making illegal campaign contributions to Richard Nixon. Steinbrenner was a also a HUGE contributor to BOTH Bush 41 and Bush 43's campaigns.
Sorry, jerry-boy, you don't have a leg to stand on this time.
But, nice try anyway.

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Stu, Saginaw, MI — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:28:27 GMT

AH, JERRY:

In Ronald Reagan's words, "There you go again": "Slip sliding away!", without saying anything positive. So, just who is it you're FOR?--other than "anybody but Hillary"?

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HMT-MI — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:41:04 GMT

Last time I heard Broder was georgies fan----what happened?All the republicans suck so what is left for them to do?The republicans in congress are still voting with Bush----guess they like what he has pulled on their party.

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MJ - Fort Campbell, KY — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:28:30 GMT

Go JOE! Biden is going to show us again tonight just why he is the most qualified person to be our next President. I'm pulling for him and donating what I can to his campaign from Kentucky, and my husband, a U.S. Army Sgt. is pulling for him from his location in Iraq!

Watch him closely, people...he's going to show us how it's done! I'd be proud as hell to have Joe Biden as our Commander in Chief!

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Ron, TX — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:41:35 GMT

You really mean Clinton is accepting money from people her husband pardoned? No surprise there. "Get out of jail" cards for $2,000 contributions... Politics as usual from the Clinton camp. I'm sure they'll have some kind of excuse. Hillary Clinton's most common excuse "I didn't know anything!" will probably be the excuse of choice, Bill did "randomly" pardon a BUNCH of people at the last minute. Maybe the Clintons just had trouble remembering all their names...

HONESTY AND TRANSPARENCY IN GOVERNMENT!
BARACK OBAMA '08

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Delaware Republican — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:16:24 GMT

Maybe Senator Biden will do for the country exactly what he's done for Delaware. As soon as we determine what that is we'll post it.

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Sara, Cedar Rapids, Iowa — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:37:47 GMT

--NSMSNBC
I'm not disagreeing with you really. The problem isn't with Biden not highlighting his domestic policy credentials, the problem is with the media covering much of anything other than the "top three". The media covers the Biden only when it relates to foreign policy. I have been to events where 100% of the speech, and all questions related to a domestic issue, and neither Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, or any foreign policy issue was discussed.

And with respect for talking to people on the street, if they weren't active in the Democratic party (caucus goers) I would be surprised if they knew Biden's name at all, or any one other than Clinton Edwards and Obama.

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--NSMSNBC — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:30:56 GMT

Sara--I agree that we really aren't disagreeing, and I will tip my hat in saying that you probably know Biden better than me. Have fun on Jan. 3rd! : )

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Bob, Knoxville, TN — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:17:28 GMT

J. Merle was that story supposed to be bad or something? I'm sorry but it was no Norman Hsu (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/09/26/hsu_raised_big_money_for_clinton_supporters/), and Obama has donated the money Senate election fund from Resko to charity. An $800 internship is supposed to somehow compromise Obama? Sure.