Clinton camp on Obama & Soc. Security

G Davis — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:28:32 GMT

Please...find me a candidate outside of GWB that doesn't equivocate on fine particulars of programs like SS. I think he's been fairly clear that raising the cap is his preference, but he understands the decision is not his alone.

Speaking of SS...you really should ask the Clinton campaign why they're not fact checking her BS about tax increases on the middle class...she even used firefighters, etal as an example tonight.

The starting salary for NY firefighters is $25,100. They can reach with bonus pay and after 5 years a grand total of $88,000 tops with all possible fringe pay.

Who exactly in the middle class earns $97,000 a year? Shall we call that out?

Clinton camp on Obama & Soc. Security

Jerry Morris, Phoenix, Az. — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:30:24 GMT

Raise the retirement age, hell. No way Obama, I'am turning 65 next year. I will not be a votin for you.

Clinton camp on Obama & Soc. Security

Uzoma, New York — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:32:41 GMT

How stupid. He earlier said that he didn't want to present his preference just yet. He eventually did: raising the cap. Then at MTP he again said that what his preference was raising the cap, but he would still listen to others. Funny how that part was omitted from your excerpt. I watched it. I hate to accuse you of this but you aren't reporting this accurately. Don't try so hard to pull a story out of nothing. The media is so irritating. Can't wait until journalists are honest and good again.

Clinton camp on Obama & Soc. Security

Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:32:48 GMT

That's not how the presentation on MTP went. Obama said that he would listen to all proposals to fix SS. In a bipartisan commission, although he prefers raising the cap (with a donut - although he didn't mention the donut tonight)and would prefer not to raise the retirement age or lower benefits, he would weigh all of the proposals that would be brought before him.
Obama '08

Clinton camp on Obama & Soc. Security

AD, Denver CO — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:33:43 GMT

G Davis - in total agreement. How on earth can the criticise options that Obama has presented - when she's presented none at all?

The "Top 6% is not middle class" was the best line of the night, by far.... I'm hoping it's played often...

Clinton camp on Obama & Soc. Security

steven beam — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:34:20 GMT

first he was for everything on the table then he was agasinst everything on the table then he was for raising the cap then he was for a bipartisan commission, a position which i might add has been hillary's right from day one! obama got spanked tonight along with edwards, sent to their rooms with no dessert. it was obvious hillary was back on her game tonight giving clear concise answers while the attack dogs got called out on their own flip-flopping. no doubt about it, we are seeing history in the making...America is about to have Her first female president.

Clinton camp on Obama & Soc. Security

Uzoma, New York — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:57:38 GMT

I would love to have a female president, just not her. We can't overlook that Kuchinich came out hard on the issue of owning past votes. Iraq was an important issue. The Kyl/leiberman vote was a big issue. Obama made a good point of the "trillion dollar tax increase issue. She got hurt in these areas. If you think she didnt, you're either lying. Obama didn't do so hot in the beginning, but he did well the rest of the night. Hillary is still vague and scary.

Clinton camp on Obama & Soc. Security

Mike — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 04:08:45 GMT

It's not that confusing if you use your brain instead of listening to Hillary spin. Obama still wants to keep everything on the table in order to find the right solution, but has now started to define his preferences and what he doesn't like.

Clinton camp on Obama & Soc. Security

sf, ca — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 04:12:49 GMT

Can someone help us understand what Obama said in his Obama release?

Then, Sen. Obama took raising the retirement age and benefit cuts off the table. From an October 27, Obama release: Obama said he would strengthen Social Security by opposing any effort to create private accounts, raise the retirement age or cut benefits

This means that he wont raise the cap. I am confused.

Clinton camp on Obama & Soc. Security

Monique — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 04:24:04 GMT

It have to be hard to take others miss speaking the facts on yours plan and stopping your self from be defenses. The problem about these debate is that informations get so twisting around.
Also, talk about answering question, but how about offering fair question?

Clinton camp on Obama & Soc. Security

Namcy, TX — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 04:35:34 GMT

Then, Sen. Obama took raising the retirement age and benefit cuts off the table. From an October 27, Obama release: Obama said he would strengthen Social Security by opposing any effort to create private accounts, raise the retirement age or cut benefits

Where does Obama stand? Is a flip flop?

Clinton camp on Obama & Soc. Security

john doe — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:04:13 GMT

how can some people be so ignorant???? when obama says that he will strengthen social security by opposing anything that creates private accounts, raising the retirement age, and cutting benefits; i am sure that is what he means. look people, i like hillary clinton and i like obama. there is no need to get rude and insult the man. just listen to them both and cast your vote.

Clinton camp on Obama & Soc. Security

Linda Bohrer, Grantham NH — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:56:58 GMT

Obama's positions clearly represent the thinking of an intelligent person who clarifies his statements when they are misunderstood or misrepresented. He gets points for having a thoughtful position and speaking about it. Hilary seems to be unable to address the issue at all.

Clinton camp on Obama & Soc. Security

alex, conway, arkansas — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:58:56 GMT

sf: you are creating a false choice, much like Blitzer did the entire night, what a terrible moderator by the way.

Obama clearly supports removing the CAP on income levels over 97,500. That means just that. Nowhere does that mean he will raise the retirement age, cut benefits, or create private accounts.

Is that really that confusing? They aren't even remotely similar ideas.

Clinton camp on Obama & Soc. Security

B Harrill — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:37:16 GMT

You know what bothers me, he is channeling George Bush and Republican talking points. This was George Bush's mantra, he said over and over "everything is on the table" Of course Bush said except raising payroll taxes and Obama doesn't even give that caveat.