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pat huntington ny — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:03:16 GMT

Obama just doesn't get it! You don't personally attack another Democrat! It's the 11th commandment! And besides, he's a smoker...can't trust him.

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LC Taylor, Kansas — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:06:47 GMT

How hard can this be? They both have none.

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Larry, Toronto — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:08:09 GMT

BAT, What the hell you are talking about? Smokers can't be trusted?

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Lewis, Cincinnati, Ohio — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:08:19 GMT

Am I missing something Pat b/c I sort of feel that Clinton attacked Obama----there's nothing personal about his comment. She wasn't Treasury secretary!

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Nashville_fan — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:11:22 GMT

Obama gets it alright - America is tired of the Clintons!

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stan — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:12:03 GMT

Bill Clinton insert Cigar into Monica L. private body and smoked it...So Clintons and her supporters better be careful not to go that road...

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RedNeckVoter — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:13:31 GMT

Obama can't be trusted...he's muslim. He's responsible for 9-11.

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Tofun,Disney — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:13:42 GMT

Obama, are you really working for the republican party?

And how in hades thinks less than 2 years experience is solid traing for the presidency. Hell, Obama was in diapers when Clinton was changing the world

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teddy, orland fl — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:13:43 GMT

ouch!! I still don't understand how senator Clinton claims experience in being president. She has expereince being in washington and thats about it. Obama 08!!! go Obama go!!! we are behind you all the way!!

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Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:14:16 GMT

This was smart for Clinton: she needs to keep the focus on experience because that's the only buffer she has in this campaign. She doesn't have the trust of the voters, she isn't the number two caucus pick for most in Iowa, and she isn't winning the change argument. But she's tough, focused, disciplined woman and people respond to the idea that she can fight and win this election.

Obama needs to keep the subject to issues and character and when questioned on experience state his resume and how he not only knows how this government works but how to effectively bridge the partisan divide.

Between the stuff that happened this weekend and the final stretch I wonder if the two front runners are going to bloody themselves to much to win Iowa. In which case New Hampshire will be really important if Edwards comes out of an Iowa win.

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American Voter — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:15:10 GMT

Senator Clinton is not as experinced as she is despised. If she really cared about our country she wouldn't be running.

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Nashville_fan — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:19:34 GMT

Hillary Clinton's experience is with partisanship - how in the world will she form all these "bipartisan commissions" she keeps touting? I doubt the "vast right wing conspiracy" will be lining up to work with her.

What has she done independent of her husband that serves as "experience" for the White House?

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American Consumer — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:32:07 GMT

The American consumer is NOT buying what you're selling hillary.

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Jesse, Burnsville, MN — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:33:14 GMT

Senator Clinton's experience has apparently taught her that pay of $97,500 per year is middle class (keep in mind that only 6% of people make more than that level). That may fly in the NYC area, but Clinton obviously fails to connect with the rest of the country that lives closer to the $25k-$75k range.

In this race, experience is out the window. NOBODY has the experience to be president. It is all about judgement. Obama is second to none in this category.

Obama/Edwards '08

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Bee — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:34:02 GMT

The more I hear Hillary the more in love with her I get!

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Bee — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:34:45 GMT

Ops! Another swipe at the Clinton's machine who think they can have it both way.

The questions is out there for proper answer. Is she the treasury secretary?

Obama 2 Clinton 0

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Ruth Bethinger, New York, New York — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:34:47 GMT

In terms of experience, there is a clear hierarchy among the top 5 candidates: Biden is clearly the most experienced (no matter what the Hillary Clinton campaign says), followed by Richardson, Obama, Clinton, and Edwards.

Edwards and Clinton fans have argued with me and said that they both have plenty of senate experience, but fail to demonstrate any legislative achievements they had. (Not votes that they made, but bills they actually came up with and pushed through the senate.)

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Bill C. — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:37:55 GMT

Clinton wins again ! hillaryclinton.com

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SB — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:38:24 GMT

Once again I ask: What the heck experience is Hillary Clinton saying that she has? How is she able to call herself an expert on the economy? If voters felt that Washington experience was the only thing that should be considered, Biden, Dodd and Richardson would be the top tier candidates right now.

Release your records Hillary, so we can see what you are claiming as the experience necessary to fix our broken economy.

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Emmy — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:38:41 GMT

She is a flip flopper and lacks leadership...

Hillary was against Ethanol before she was for it. She was for Iraq before she was against it. She was for unconditional negotiations with Iran before she was against them and before she was for them again. She was for for taking nukes off the table with Iran before she was against it and before she was for it again. She was against raising social security taxes before she was for it and beforee she was against it again. She was for NATFA before she was for it. She was for Baby Bonds before she was against them. She was for drivers liecenses for illegals before she was against them and before she was for them and before she was against them, and before she was for them...etc, etc.

Not only is she more easily portrayed a worse flip flopper than John Kerry, she and her campaign are are allowing themselves to be portrayed as exaggerators just like Al Gore was in 2000. Her supporters are comparing last week's debate to the Anita Hill hearings. And today, Bill Clinton is comparing criticism of Hillary's Flip Flopping with the swift boat attacks on John Kerry. The difference is that calling Hillary a flip flopper is fair...calling John Kerry unpatriotic is unfair...there is a big difference.

Why do people think she is our strongest nominee? Yes, the republicans will shoot at whoever we nominate, but why do we want to pick the clintons who will hand them the ammunition? Let's not snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and nominate Hillary. The times are too important to take that risk!
Oh before i forget...her negative is in the 50,s

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Chelse C. — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:38:47 GMT

It's not to late come take a good lookie. hillaryclinton.com

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Dot, Illinois — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:39:29 GMT

"when Clinton was changing the world "
Tofun, Disney
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Wow! I stand in awe of this woman! So ending the Iraq war, ending hunger and poverty around the world, stopping human rights violations in developing countries, ridding the word of global warming, ending the tension in the Middle East, etc. should be a piece of cake for her, right?

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Real Democrat, CA — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:41:04 GMT

Obama just doesn't get it! You don't personally attack another Democrat! It's the 11th commandment! And besides, he's a smoker...can't trust him.
pat huntington ny (Sent Monday, November 19, 2007 2:03 PM)

Actually, the 11th commandment is referring to Republicans attacking one another. FYI, Sen. Obama is not attacking Hillary. He's just exposing her outrageous claims on experience. Hillary has cleverly hijacked her husband's presidential record. As for the smoking remark...I guess one can't trust Bill either.

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Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:41:06 GMT

Hillary has less experience than Obama.

Hillary's success fooling the primary voters that she is "experienced" is going to be ripped to shreds if she's nominated.

Her "experience" argument will falter immediately if challenged by someone who actually DOES have experience, like, gee, i dunno....McCain, Romney, Gulliani, Huckabee, etc. etc.

Dems are idiots if they nominate Hillary.

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grace — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:41:53 GMT

Obama just doesn't get it! You don't personally attack another Democrat! It's the 11th commandment! And besides, he's a smoker...can't trust him.
pat huntington ny (Sent Monday, November 19, 2007 2:03 PM)

Pat NY...and Hillary is Fat. He stopped smoking...think she has the psersonal courage to lose about 30lbs.

You don't want to go there..espically with that Fat candidate

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MK,MO — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:42:06 GMT

hillary is very experienced in how to launder corrupt lobbyist money, avoid, mislead, lie, pander, flip-flop, condescend, ect. on these points she shows extraordinary experience and knowledge, unfortunately most people don't think that type of experience is what the country needs presently, thus bush lite's luster continues to fade as people are exposed to her experience. She is what she is, business as usual in d.c., vote for Edwards so we a candidate that truly wants change, and someone who can win the general election.

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Lek — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:43:58 GMT

Hilary if you say that you have experience, then release your so-called experience records. Or are you scared that we will find out that you were a total failure on issue during your husband's administration?.

Hilary you are a con/artist and stop saying you have experience when you voted for the Iraq war and then you voted for iran revolutionary guards which will send our men and women to war with Iran. And beside you flip-flopped on issues too many times. someone with experience will have it right the first time.

Barack Obama, the 44th president of the United State of America!!!! clear the way people, here comes our president

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Bee — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:44:57 GMT

Here is the full report...
Reporters asked Obama about Clinton's claim that she would be a better-prepared steward of the economy at a press conference before an appearance at a community college in Fort Dodge, Iowa.

" I am happy to compare my experiences with hers when it comes to the economy," Obama said. "My understanding was that she wasn't Treasury Secretary in the Clinton Administration."

"I think she's a capable person. She's been a senator, like I have," he added. "But rather than just assert experience, if she has specific differences with me with respect to economic policy, I'm happy to have those debates. But this general notion of experience based on longevity in Washington I don't think is sufficient."

Obama all the way

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Firstimevoter — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:47:06 GMT

Obama is a great speaker, had great education, but he doesn't have strong record to show his experience and leadership. Some details can be found in Meet the Press Tim Russer show. I do feel not comfortable why he did not keep his record cince he plan to run for president. Also, sometimes when he anwsers questions, it seems that he doen't keep that subjest to the issue which make people sometimes hard to follow.

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Amy Thompson, not associated with Fred — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:48:04 GMT

I T ' S N A T I O N A L W E A P P R E C I A T E H I L L A R Y D A Y ! hillaryclinton.com

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Tofun,Disney — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:48:15 GMT

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Ron, TX — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:48:20 GMT

"The same old experience is not relevant: You can have the right kind of experience and the wrong kind of experience"

Guess who said THAT one? Bill Clinton.

Obama has 12 years of experience serving in public office. Clinton has 6 years experience serving in public office. Clinton has MUCH MORE experience, lying deceiving and douping the American public. She's got more experience planting questioners, much like Bush administration. She's got more experience not answering the hard questions. She's got more experience telling people what they WANT to hear instead of what they need to hear. She's got more experience waffling on issues. She's got more experience voting in favor of wars. She's got more experience following Bush-style diplomacy of not talking directly to foreign leaders.

That's not the experience we need. Obama offers the experience and judgment to make America a better nation. Obama has more experience standing by the principles the democratic party has lost. Principles, judgment, these are the things that make a GREAT President.

BARACK OBAMA '08

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Michael Furlong, NY — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:48:27 GMT

I like Hillary. I hate Obama because he's...

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Jimmy Chicago Il. — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:48:57 GMT

And how in hades thinks less than 2 years experience is solid traing for the presidency. Hell, Obama was in diapers when Clinton was changing the world
Tofun
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And 8 plus years of giving sloppy second blow jobs is sexperience for POTUS? Other than fellating her philandering husband during the 90's what other experience has she gleaned from being married to a president? It is unbelievable that so many Democrats have yet to see just how much this lady is hated... hated even by those in her own party.

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seib — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:51:42 GMT

Did anyone making comment care to even read the speech of Clinton??? Not anywhere was she talking about Obama, those journalist are just fuelling the horse race.
"The next president will be a steward of our economy at a time when the bills from eight years of neglect and mismanagement will be coming due. He – or she – will have to turn our nation and our economy around.

"More than ever before, our workers will need good job training for the jobs of this new century. But there is one job we can’t afford on-the-job training for – our next president. That could be the costliest job training in history. Every day spent learning the ropes is another day of rising costs, mounting deficits and growing anxiety for our families. And they cannot afford to keep waiting.

"Now, it’s no surprise that the President continues to stand by his failed economic policies. This is, after all, a man who believes that stubbornness is a virtue.

"What is truly amazing, however, is that the Republican candidates for President are determined to continue these failed policies. In fact, we can describe their approach to the economy in four simple words: More of the same."

That is the passage which mentions experience, and now see it it refer to Obama or the republican?

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Bee, NH — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:52:35 GMT

The more I hear Hillary the more in love with her I get! Bee
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I did not approve this message from Hillary's machine. I am not voting for Hillary, period. Let us have a debate.

Obama all the way

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pat huntington ny — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:00:20 GMT

Hillary isn't fat! She's curvey and pretty too! Obama is too skinny to be president. And ugly.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:00:26 GMT

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stix66-illinois — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:01:02 GMT

whoa! all you guys/girls are making a lot of assumptions based on media, and way too much negative for me. and may I add, NO ONE, repeat NO ONE has experience as POTUS until he/she gets the job.

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Dave, Tn — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:03:12 GMT

Obama has one thing over Hillary. He hasn't proven he can't be trusted yet.

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John Hair — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:03:30 GMT

What experience is she talking about? Mr. Obama has more experience than she does, he has tremendous experience as a community organizer, Constitutional law professor, Illinois Senator and now State senator well less that Mr. Biden for sure.and these MSM are so biased and have given Mrs. Clinton the crown of most experienced candidate. Does being in White house for 8 years counts as EXPERIENCE? if so, can we also give the crown of 8 years experience to Mrs. Laura Bush?

The only work she did while in White House was that she pushed for Universal Health Care and what happened, went down the drain, If failing to achieve things also counts as Experience then Mrs. Clinton has the most (she never reached across the aisle).

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PreacherObama, Heaven — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:09:25 GMT

Hatred is a sin! Cleanse yourself of hatred and you will see a new energetic world!

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Aidyn, NY, NY — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:09:34 GMT

Hillary Clinton has been fighting for children, families and healthcare for years. She has more expereince than Obama and she really wants to take this country on a different directions. I just want people to stop judging her and give her chance. Hear what she has to offer and then judge her.

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Blake, Denver, CO — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:11:58 GMT

Quit talking about it! I hear Hillary toute that she has over "35 years of experience", I'm in I.T. and have been for 3 years, I've been using a computer for probably 15 years, but I don't say I've got 15 years of the experience needed for my job, I say I've got 3. Somebody should just put up a website that lists plainly the resume's of each candidate!!!

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Don, New York — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:12:53 GMT

Carrie,

You wrote, "Are we in junior high now? Goodbye, decorum - hello, First Read. Way to go, moderators. Seriously."

When others are unable or discuss the various candidates' merits and their positions on the issues, things often disintegrate into sophomoric quips.

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Katha Tysan, Somerville, NJ — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:14:54 GMT

I agree with Giuliani that I don't know what to make of her experience. She says she has "35 years" of experience fighting for public causes but at least half of that she was a lawyer in private practice and unless it was a no-show job to shove money to the Governor's wife, she was working or fighting for her clients. Then she was First Lady and Clinton's Defense Secretary, William Cohen, says she was never in the room when he briefed the President. What was she telling him to do about Rwanda? She hasn't been a worldbeater in the Senate, where she voted the wrong way on the Iraq War.

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Sierra, SF — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:19:52 GMT

'''.The next president will be a steward of our economy at a time when the bills from eight years of neglect and mismanagement are coming due." ...'

Actually, 15 YEARS OF ECONOMIC MISMANAGEMENT !!
Sorry !
The Clinton Adminsitration was NOT CAMELOT !!

Bill Clinton and Al Gore sold us out on NAFTA
NAFTA was created by, for and of the corporations and Wall Street investors.
NAFTA was bad for labor, consumers and the environment

But wait, there's MORE !
WTO was also a corporate oriented trade agenda...
Thank you Slick Willie !
Thank you, Lying Al Gore !

Go back and look at the millenial Communications Act
That has given us monopoly capitalism for the media

Clear Channel has over 900 radio stations in one corporation !!
Thank you Slick Willie !!
Pay to play !!

How about citizenship for Rupert Murdoch !!
Why SURE !! You're a Friend of Bill !!
That way Citizen Rupert could buy Fox and start Faux Newz !!
Pay to play, Rupert !!
Now you owe Hillary a favor !

How about Time/Warner/CNN...
ABC/ESPN/Disney......
All the big media congolomerates !!
Thank you Bill !!
Pay to play, right ?

The Clinton Administration WAS NOT CAMELOT !!
It just looks good in comparison to Bush !!
Mussolini looks good in comparison to Bush !!

Slick Willie couldn't pass the Kyoto accords !!
A Real Leader might have passed it !!
OH ! Too busy with Monica, huh ??

Anybody remember all those self indulgent scandals ?
A bloody, stupid cabaret of moral depravity

OH !
Pat.....
'...he's a smoker...can't trust him.
pat huntington ny...'

Bill Clinton was a smoker
Remember when he put his cigars INSIDE MONICA ?
Get a grip, patty girl !!

Why

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Bee, NH — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:20:01 GMT

Obama has one thing over Hillary. He hasn't proven he can't be trusted yet.
Dave, Tn (Sent Monday, November 19, 2007 3:03 PM)

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Don't worry Dave, it's only a matter of time until people see Obama for who he really is...a muslim set to destroy this country.

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:20:23 GMT

And why should I think that Hillary Clinton is more experienced to lead this country? Oh...yeah, maybe it has to do with that phenomenal leadership and flexibility that led to the passage of a universal health care pkg. in 1993. Oh, no, wait a minute, that didn't pass, did it?

No, no, no, I know that it has to do with that stellar voting record in the senate. You know, that record where she shows her great judgment in foreign policy. No, that can't be it. She voted to authorize the president's use of force in Iraq without reading the NIE, thinking that he would use this authorization as a tool for diplomacy. And didn't she cede Congressional oversight of this use of force by voting against the Levin/Reed amendment? So, that's not it. That can't be an example of her good judgment and preparedness to be president.

Oh, I've got it. It has to do with what she has learned in the Senate, in terms of dealing with the lunacy of the Bush/Cheney administration. No, that's not it either. After five years, she voted for the Lieberman/Kyl amendment to authorize the president to use force against the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. And this is after she had said that she never thought that the president would use the first (Iraqi) resolution, to take us to war.

I must be missing something. This claim of a great trove of experience and good judgment that should enable her to lead the nation from day one of her supposed presidency, completely eludes me.

Somebody will have to explain her claim of superiority to me. Could it be that she thinks that Bill Clinton will act as the de facto president? No, it couldn't be that either. That would sound too much like the Perons of Argentina (both #1 and #2 Mrs. Peron). After all, I would think that Hillary would be aware of the 22nd amendment to the Constitution, doncha think? She must realize that we don't have ruling families in this country.

Gosh, this is such a puzzlement to me. I'll have to go back and do some more research. No...I'm sure some of the Hillarophiles will be able to explain to me that her good judgment, this vast experience, is only trumped by her trustworthiness.
Obama '08

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H P Boston — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:26:13 GMT

Mark Murray
** hey guys can you take this guy off the blog, it is way over the line!

And 8 plus years of giving sloppy second blow jobs is sexperience for POTUS? Other than fellating her philandering husband during the 90's what other experience has she gleaned from being married to a president? It is unbelievable that so many Democrats have yet to see just how much this lady is hated... hated even by those in her own party.
Jimmy Chicago Il. (Sent Monday, November 19, 2007 2:48 PM)

I am absolutely disgusted that this comment was posted. Are we in junior high now? Goodbye, decorum - hello, First Read. Way to go, moderators. Seriously.
Carrie, Eastern Iowa (Sent Monday, November 19, 2007 3:00 PM)

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Diamond — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:27:08 GMT

"My understanding is that she wasn't Treasury secretary in the Clinton Administration."

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! That's a good one!

1st commandment- never attack Obama. He's a smackdown expert. 2nd commandement- Clinton should forget about using the 'experience' argument in these last days.

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Dot, Illinois — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:29:03 GMT

Carrie

I felt the same way about that comment being posted but I didn't think it would do any good to object. Actually, there have been several times when I thought the line had been crossed, but I realize my standards may not be as liberal as those of other posters. The "use appropriate language and are not attacking the comments of others" section under "Please Read" gets a pretty loose interpretation sometimes.

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Sierra, SF — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:29:10 GMT

Let Hillary release the records of her White House 'experience'
What is she hiding ?
What is she covering up ?

If there was ANYTHING GOOD in those records...
They'd be out RIGHT NOW !!

Hillary claims experience but can't back it up
The only thing she is good at is campaigning and using the Clinton/Bush playbook of lies and deception !!

Why is Hillary's campaign digging up 'dirt' on Obama ?
Why are they working with Matt Drudge and Robert Novack ?
I trust Robert Novack more than I trust Hillary Clinton !!
Hillary's campaign is LYING about the Novack affair
Planted questions ? Packed audience ? Norman Hus ? Peter Paul ? Whitewater 'experience' ?....

Hillary Clinton, 15 years of dishonesty, scandals and divisiveness

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Marbw — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:32:33 GMT

I guess her experience is planting negative rumors to Salon writers/Drudge/Novakula et. al. about Barack Obama and J Edwards. I want this type of politics purged from my Dem party.
The only experienced president is a current or former one. I want a president with the correct judgment. I want a president that will be trusted here and around the world. I want one that talks straight with the American people. Someone with ethics. One that opens up the gov't to the people(Barack Obama's speech and Q&A session with Google). I want a president that does not use divisive slogans such as 'turn up the heat on Republicans'. As a Dem, I want a president that appeals to the swing voters(Repubs and Independents). I want one that tries to govern blue and red state(United States of America). I want a president that expands my party. Finally, I want a president that knows and understands that people making over $97,000 is NOT the vast middle class.
We have had ENOUGH Bushes/Clintons on the presidential ticket since 1980.

Obama08 for the fierce urgency of now.

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CitizenJ — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:32:35 GMT

Carrie, Eastern Iowa (Sent Monday, November 19, 2007 3:00 PM)

And the amazing part, Carrie, is that sometimes it takes them an hour to post things like this. I think we should start a petition for an exclusive, members-only blog, where you have to write a page essay on why you should be accepted as a member. I'll be the first to sign it.

1. CitizenJ
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PBrown — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:33:46 GMT

I can not believe some of these immature messages I am reading... Smoking and Fat... Come on people... There are so MANY IMPORTANT issues we are facing in America And the only thing you people can come up with are these ridulous insults. Let talk about substance....My healthcare is going up $30... But my paycheck is not... They have removed vision from my healthcare and have added it as an extra cost.... Gas prices have risen, which has cost the prices of groceries to rise also.... My daughter has asked me “why is everyone struggling?”

These are the important issues. Not someones weight or who is a smoker and who is not…

HEALTHCARE COST
GAS
FOOD /HOUSE HOLD NECESSITY
COLLEGE Intuition
The WAR

We need to exercise better judgment just so we don’t end-up with another George W. Bush.

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Tofun,Disney — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:34:54 GMT

WHERE ARE THE MODERATORS?
'And 8 plus years of giving sloppy second blow jobs is sexperience for POTUS? Other than fellating her philandering husband during the 90's what other experience has she gleaned from being married to a president? It is unbelievable that so many Democrats have yet to see just how much this lady is hated... hated even by those in her own party.
Jimmy Chicago Il. (Sent Monday, November 19, 2007 2:48 PM)

a disgusting post from an obama supporter..

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Tim, Colorado Springs — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:37:02 GMT

Hillary is the one who would require "on the job training" as chief executive. She is an intelligent, articulate woman and a good politician, but she has zero executive leadership experience. She has never been a governor, cabinet secretary, CEO of a company or lead a non-profit. She has not even been a city mayor or run a dog catchers office. Watching your husband lead is not the same as leading yourself. When in her entire career could Hillary ever claim that "the buck stops here"?

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George, Philly — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:39:36 GMT

Ruth Bethinger, New York, New York-

You are so right, which is why Hillary won't release the documents, she wants to pretend she was involved in everything positive that happened in the Clinton WH without having to actually prove it!

Biden is so far above all the candidates in experience, credibility, and accomplishments it isn't even close. Richardson has experience as UN Ambassador, Secretary of Energy (although not the best tenure),and I haven't checked his actual accomplishments as Governor, but assume they're impressive, but he was a real do nothing Congressman for 15 years.

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Arkansas AR — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:41:34 GMT

Snippy...snipy...snippy, Professor "Holier Than Thou" Obama. So you think Hillary wasn't Treasury Sec. Obama, you can't be so "Holy" if you sling mud.

What happened to your politics of hope and sweetness and pie in the sky? Clearly, you just don't have the experience to be president, NOW. A few years from now I would have voted for you but NEVER will I vote for you now.

What were you thinking? You're too weak and green...not mature enough yet. If you hadn't have been so greedy Obama, you probably could have had it all when you were more experienced in a few years

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Sara, Cedar Rapids, Iowa — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:41:50 GMT

Carrie, Eastern Iowa

I agree. I'm not thrilled with her campaign tactics, etc., but the post you responded to is disgusting, immature, and totally inappropriate.

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Sam — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:45:22 GMT

Ron from Tx,
Who do you think you are with that gotcha stuff...quoting Bill Clinton...are you a little Timmie Turd Russert wannabe?
Oh, help.

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Rick, WS, BC — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:46:29 GMT

Actually both billary and osama scare the heck out of me with their lack of leadership experience...we saw shrub get his on the job training and 9/11 and Iraq is what happened...

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kenn — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:50:44 GMT

I TRUST THE DEVIL NOVACK,he loves this country.

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Kato in Des Moines — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:51:20 GMT

What a joke. If experience truly matters, then Senator Biden is your man. After him, it's Dodd and Richardson. Beyond that, the rest really don't have it.

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J B — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:52:38 GMT

The only way one has experience in something is by doing it themselves. To my knowledge, H.C. has never been President. Being a spouse of one DOES NOT COUNT! That being said, nobody running in this race, for either party, has experience being President. And since when can't we "attack" another Dem? That's why people say we have no backbone... because we have this image of having tea parties and playing nice. Get over it! The stakes are too high to let someone just run away with a nomination without anyone having any concerns or misgivings!

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BIGOLDTEXAN — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:54:42 GMT

American Voter & Dave, Tn........I agree.

And I still don't understand how 8 years of being First Lady counts as "experience to be president of the U.S.A.
Has no "EXPERIENCE" managing any kind of business.
Has no "EXPERIENCE" managing any cities.
Has no "EXPERIENCE" managing any communities.

We can not let her manage this country either.

OBAMA '08

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jst asking — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:55:55 GMT

" I am happy to compare my experiences with hers when it comes to the economy," Obama said. "My understanding was that she wasn't Treasury Secretary in the Clinton Administration."
Neither were you, Obama, so get off your high horse. At least she ate dinner /w the treasury secy and could benefit from listening to his views up close and personal.
And your experience in this area is?.....

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PabloZed — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:57:27 GMT

If being a woman who spent time with a president in the oval qualifies you to be president, shouldn't Monica Lewdinsky be running?

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Sam Missouri — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:00:07 GMT

Posting vicious comments about blow jobs is way over the top, Moderator. Shame on you..First Read. You sound like Crackpot Chris Matthews on Hardball at MSNBC...on the other hand I forgot...this is NBC/MSNBC with guys like Matthews and TIm Russert...why should I be shocked...that's daily stuff for you guys. But still lets clean up your act even if you are an Obama supporter...for now until you can get Rudy elected.

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karlos — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:07:42 GMT

please note the CEO TOP TIER COMBINED DON'T HAVE EXPERIENCE THAT BIDEN HAS. please note non of the top tier has a iraq proposal that's passed in senate except biden. please note none of top tier saw pakistan coming and focused solely on iran, except biden. the top tier all opposed war funding without a extraction date in spite of the fact that bill contained funding for ied resistant vehicles, not biden he took the political heat and poll be damned and refused to hold the troops hostage for poll points. biden clearly has the experience for foreign affairs savy the top three lack. obamaites please spare me the "he was agnaist the war" since he's been quoted as uncertain if he'd been in the senate and seen intel reports. that part about toning down for convention is even worse as i didn't see biden tone down on his vote for funding. i want to see a poll that shows how biden stacks up against gop and positive vrs. negative oppinion of candidate i'll bet he's better off than hill &bo & ed.

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David, Tallahassee FL — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:11:38 GMT

Guiliani would "wallop" Clinton in the general election in Florida, mainly due to her high negative ratings. Obama is considered more favorable.

http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071119/CAPITOLNEWS/71119017

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Martha Cedar Rapids Ia — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:12:14 GMT

I can only hope the Dems do give her the go a head, {pun} then maybe the Clintons will fade away and keep their mouths shut for a while. Especially Bill. The woman in SC had the right notion. In my wildest dreams I cannot imagine what our country would be like under her "experienced" guidence. The time has come America when we have to stop letting money buy the Oval Office.

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Mike K, Denver — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:12:20 GMT

I posted this elsewhere on First Read, but think it fits here on why Hillary is bad for the country and the world and lacks the leadership to lead either.
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Simon;

I am a well-read, intelligent, college-eduated Democrat who can't begin to fathom what this country will look like after 4 years of a Hillary Clinton-lead administration. I seriously fear it as much, if not more so than I do the current state that George W. Bush has left the country.

I fear it because she has no vision for what to do about healthcare (she was the one who caused it to fail in 1993).

I don't trust her leadership on the economy. We, as Americans, are making less than our parents and, in some cases our grandparents made, while at the same time working more and more just to keep our heads above water. Our homes are depreciating in value at record rates. I have yet to hear her speak on how she will begin to attack this. Other candidates have. Why hasn't she?

I fear how she will deal with international issues. She has already stated, unequivocally, she will not meet with our enemies without pre-set conditions on the table. This is not the way to do business in an age where America MUST regain its leadership internationally. It behooves the next President to enter ANY negotiation with an open mind. SHe is unwilling to do this. It's a dangerous strategy that will, in the end, keep us mired in the same exact mess we are in now.

I could go on, but here's a very good beginning as to why I will NOT support a Hillary Clinton administration. She is dangerous for the country.

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Dickie Flatts, Charlotte, NC — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:13:38 GMT

Barry Obama is a fake. A fraud. He is a Chicago Pol who has been carefully scripted and packaged by David Axlerod and sent out to destroy the Democrats chance of winning the White House in '08.

Anyone who thinks Obama can win in '08 is just plain nuts. Look at the polling in NJ, PA, and Ohio. Obama is toast. But he doesn't care. This a vanity campaign for him. He is a fake.

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--NSMSNBC — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:16:54 GMT

What experience is H.R. Clinton running on. I haven't seen any records of what she accomplished as First Lady. I don't think that a lack of experience in the sense that Obama 'lacks experience' affected other great Presidents: George Washington, Teddy Roosevelt, Abe Lincoln, Franklin Roosevelt, or JFK. Obama will do just fine, being a leader and having ideals is more important than experience. The whole experience line is a bunch of B.S. when the Clinton camp wants you to believe the only experience to make a successful President is having a husband that was. I'd like to know who spent more time in the Oval Office with Bill, Hillary or interns. (That was below the belt, and the Repubs can't wait).

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Mary — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:19:38 GMT

Hillary isn't fat! She's curvey and pretty too! Obama is too skinny to be president. And ugly.
pat huntington ny (

Yes that's what they call it in the "BIG WOMEN's" department, curves...seems like Hillary has a "sista in kind" , Bill would probably like you too...hoping to get a "desk' job Pat. LOL

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Tofun,Disney — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:21:50 GMT

'he has tremendous experience as a community organizer'

3 years?

criminy, don't lie for the guy

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Hill as in... — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:28:12 GMT

I think I know who Bee is...Bee as in Bee-rack Obama...right Bee?

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Mike K, Denver — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:31:20 GMT

BO was nailed:

"A Republican-leaning journalist runs a blind item designed to set Democrats against one another," said Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson. "Experienced Democrats see this for what it is. Others get distracted and thrown off their games."
Tofun,Disney (Sent Monday, November 19, 2007 2:48 PM)

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Tofun...

And in the world of politics, had Obama NOT responded would have been spun by the same communications person in the following way:

"Mr. Obama has failed to respond to Mr. Novak's piece. What is Mr. Obama hiding? If he were as open as he claims to be, he would come forward with any and all issues in his past for the public to see and scrutinize."

He did it the right way. Said one thing in a stern, direct, and non-negative manner and moved on from it. Hillary's campaign is throwing darts into the wind hoping one of them lands in Obama's back end.

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Mike K, Denver — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:34:41 GMT

That is the passage which mentions experience, and now see it it refer to Obama or the republican?
seib (Sent Monday, November 19, 2007 2:51 PM)

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It's called 2 birds, one stone. She swiped both Obama and Bush at the same time. By painting it as only an assault on Bush, she can hit Obama without looking negative.

Calculating and deceptive. Just like everything else she does.

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Edgar, Virginia — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:35:11 GMT

Hillary isn't fat! She's curvey and pretty too!

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Hillary's a woman?!?

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Mike K, Denver — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:43:04 GMT

And 8 plus years of giving sloppy second blow jobs is sexperience for POTUS? Other than fellating her philandering husband during the 90's what other experience has she gleaned from being married to a president? It is unbelievable that so many Democrats have yet to see just how much this lady is hated... hated even by those in her own party.
Jimmy Chicago Il. (Sent Monday, November 19, 2007 2:48 PM)

I am absolutely disgusted that this comment was posted. Are we in junior high now? Goodbye, decorum - hello, First Read. Way to go, moderators. Seriously.
Carrie, Eastern Iowa (Sent Monday, November 19, 2007 3:00 PM)

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This is called "Politics" Carrie. Get used to it. Re-read the comment and point to me what part of it is false. It is true. If that's all she can lean on for experience--watching her hubby run things while gettinh blown by interns--we have us a problem if we're going to elect her President on that alone.

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Mr Coffey — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:49:42 GMT

Where is Van when you need him? Can someone...ANYONE...tell me what experience Sen. Clinton has that is sooo great? I CHANLLENGE anyone to clearly answer the questions below without using Bush or any Repub as a scapegoat and use facts, not what she wants to do. I want world peace btw.

Can the First Lady of Arkansas and the US:

1) Write, introduce or vote any legislation to make LAW?

2)Balance the US budget?

3)Command any part of the military or be present during military planning?

4)Negotiate with any foreign government? Hostile?

5)And a direct Hillary question: What legislation did Clinton WRITE and PUSH into law? Not vote for, but actually sponsor with success?

Please, please someone answer these. Remember no personal opinions. ;)

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CitizenJ — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:00:19 GMT

A blog without a moderator ceases to be useful.

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Scott, PA — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:03:38 GMT

First Read. This simply makes the case against all 3 front runners: Especially Hillary and Edwards.

http://www.iowapolitics.com/index.iml?Article=110948

If Iraq is the most important issue facing Americans today, and it is, than the discussion should be on how Joe Biden has and is the only one that has a plan for Iraq.
Please please please follow up on this one First Read, lets try to shape these to a real discussion about actaul leadership.

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HMT — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:19:55 GMT

whichever Democratic candidate that is nominated to run for president will be ripped to shreds during the campaign.That is how Karl works---I cannot believe anyone could be so gullible to think otherwise.Hannity,Rush,and the rest of the smear freaks have already went after Clinton,Obama,Edwards,Kucinich,Richardson and Biden.Do not forget how the media clawed at Gore and Kerry-----Have we learned nothing since 2000?Make up your own minds and quit listening to the gasbags who love to hear themselves bloviate.As far as I am concerned all the dems have as much experience (and more)than Bush.

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AP, Chicago, Illinois — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:21:02 GMT

Obama is NEVER going to win! He is whining about slime politics - why in heavens name would he believe ANYTHING that comes out of the mouth (or pen) of Robert Novak...smells like a bad strategy to me. Hillary is going to win. All of the Obama fans need to ask the folks in Illinois about the experience and leadership of our Senator before you cast the vote. He is horrible - he doesn't show up...look at his 2 year voting record - missed a good majority of votes. If I behaved that way (calling in sick for my job), I would be fired. Sounds to me that the good people of Illinois should fire Barack! What a rock star - yuck!

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Rob S., Phoenix, AZ — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:22:25 GMT

Not only does Obama not have the experience to be president but he sorely lacks the temperament as well. He is too high strung and comes off as insolent and smug. Am I the only who noticed his menacing glare at Clinton during the last debate? He was actually clenching his jaw and looked like he might lose his fake statesman like demeanor that he tries so hard to cultivate. Make no mistake about it, Obama is a fake and his hot temperament will be his down fall. Has anybody seen the video of Obama arguing with an Iowa voter over national security and becoming quite shrill? Obama's strength used to be that he packaged himself as a statesman rather than a politician. He has blown that cover to be sure.

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Dick Cicago.Il — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:34:38 GMT

Why won't she release her records? Its obvious she has a lot to hide -- these records probably will show her true "experience". We of course know her biggest "experience" was a "big flop". Is this the experience she is referring to?

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Dazed and Confused in DC — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:36:51 GMT

This is a fake controversy contrived by you to create controversy where there is none. Sen. Clinton's "change is just a word . . ." line has been a staple of her debate performances and stump speech for more than a month. Obama of course took the bait with his snide "she wasn't the Treasury Secretary" remark. Which of course serves only to highlight the question: as a civic organizer, a constitutional law professor, a state senator, and a U.S. senator for three years, what economic experience does Obama have? The answer, of course, is: Zip. Nada. Zero.

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CitizenJ — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:54:56 GMT

Dear First Read,

Not only can you not filter out unacceptable content, but you can't keep up with posting comments for over 3 hours. Let me respectfully, and emphatically say, you suck.

Sincerely,

CitizenJ

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Jamie, Elmwood Park, IL — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:05:50 GMT

To Firstimevoter: "I do feel not comfortable why he did not keep his record cince he plan to run for president." You can get all of Obama's voting records, etc. from the Illinois Senate as they are public record. It's his calendar that he didn't keep - which really wasn't necessary because, as mentioned before, everything else is public record.

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Dot, Illinois — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:30:21 GMT

"This is called "Politics" Carrie. Get used to it. Re-read the comment and point to me what part of it is false. It is true." Mike K, Denver

I respectfully disagree with your post. The post Carrie mentioned was disgusting.

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diane — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:38:24 GMT

obama's 11 years in elected office trumps Hillary years of nepotism paving her way.
And even then, she still did not work for the treasury.
Way to go, Obama! good answer.
But, clinton's continuing attackes, through a right wing journalist or out front, is probably due to her fading in Iowa and the fact that she has no support for second.

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diane — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:50:06 GMT

Speaking of experienced. almost 20 years after leaving the Arkansas Gov. mansion, Hillary's first lady of Arkansas papers are STILL not ready to be released and being kept from the public!
http://thepage.time.com/2007/11/19/no-clinton-arkansas-papers-either/

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Claudia Cook, Canada — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:57:08 GMT

Obama's experience is mostly academic (law professor), 2 years in a senate before he started running for politics, very skimpy on foreign exposure and real life experience. Like his articulate talk but lately, his straight personal negative talks is unfattering. Lacks savvy to follow what a notorious Republic journalist's unsourced lead and throw mud to a fellow democratic candidate is baffling. Come on, what;s the motivation behind Novak's leak in his column?? Think. His proven source last time re Valerie Flam was Cheney & Rove....clearly they are trying to drive a rife between 2 leading democratic candidates....to the benefit of the Republicans. Do you believe that Novak is doing this because he likes Obama??!

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Richard, Washington State — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:58:39 GMT

Would it be fair to say that George W. Bush would never have been president without the presidential precedent of his father? I think that it would be.

I think it's also fair to say that Hillary Clinton would possibly not even be the Senator from New York without the presidential precedent of Bill.

Let's also be honest and acknowledge that at this particular time, her gender is a distinct political asset for no other reason than it's novel in the sense that it's the most serious female presidential candidacy ever.

She has the Democrat machine behind her, a huge advantage, but in reality she doesn't have experience or qualifications that set her head and shoulders above either of the other two top democrat candidates.

For that matter, Hillary doesn't have near the experience of a Dodd, Biden, Richardson or even Kucinich. Connections are connections and while important, shouldn't be confused with experience. Based on experience alone she is a second tier candidate, as are Obama and Edwards.

It seems that a lot of time is spent arguing about who is the most experienced of your least experienced candidates, which really means that experience is not the issue. Hillary has political advantage, but experience is barely a component of it.

I think they should all just admit it and concentrate on the traits and strengths they believe will offset the experience deficit.

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Ron, IN — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:08:36 GMT

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independent fl — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:17:30 GMT

Joe Biden is the only democratic candidate who is capable of beating the republican nominee and I don’t care WHO that republican may be. He is also the only candidate who has remained focused, while the rest choose to belittle each other and continue to bicker about their differences when, in fact, there is no difference between them – none at all! Give me a candidate with integrity, wisdom, and experience, not to mention the maturity to stay above the fray – that candidate is Joe Biden – and the only candidate worthy of my vote. While the rest of the candidates compete in what has turned out to be a popularity contest, hosted by none other than the media and the bloggers themselves, and while they continue to embellish their “so-called” experience, accomplishments, and aspirations for the future of this country and the American people, the fact remains that Joe Biden is realistically the only viable candidate for the democratic nomination and ultimately the White House. Joe Biden 2008 – he’s definitely got my vote!

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Love is the answer — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:24:18 GMT

This seems like a heavily negative Hillary crowd. I look forward to a time after Barack is president when the Hillary/Bush negativity makes way for the honest, positive, inspiring politics of Hope. Obama can change the world for the better and lead us in love and peace to solve the problems of the past, present and future.
Ron, IN (Sent Monday, November 19, 2007 7:08 P
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WOW you must be going to take Obama as your own personal saviour! Go with hope and love and change dude! I wonder what will change, I wonder how he will effect change, I wonder how the hell he will get enough votes?

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H P Boston — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:44:56 GMT

This is called "Politics" Carrie. Get used to it. Re-read the comment and point to me what part of it is false. It is true. If that's all she can lean on for experience--watching her hubby run things while gettinh blown by interns--we have us a problem if we're going to elect her President on that alone.
Mike K, Denver (Sent Monday, November 19, 2007 4:43 PM
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This is called slime from slime brain repukes who have smut and such lowly values they get off calling women dirt for the things they like, with any child, baby, boy or girl! They want it in airport bathrooms and wearing diapers with prostitutes and young pages.
Repukes are the curse of this country with their slime lives and freak shows, hypocrites, liars and thieves. No we won't accept this smut here and not on a Senator who has not sullied her standing in the Senate, she deserves respect. You slime bags have the values of men raised by pigs and goats. You show more respect to dogs than women, your mothers, sisters, daughters, and 2nd and 3rd wives are in peril. You men that say OK it is OK are disgusting!! The world is worse because of you.

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BajanLuv, Newport News, VA — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:49:29 GMT

The only time you have experience to be president is if you held that office--GHW Bush, carter, Clinton--Bill. So none of them have experience. So we are looking for good judgement. Hillary has none.

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modernwoman, Anytown,USA — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:23:45 GMT

At one time, I used to think that Hillary Clinton was an OK person.

Then, I read some letters that she had written to a friend during her college years(when she started her life as a Republican)

I was truly amazed by these letters.

She came across as a cold, distant, sort of human being, who just mused about what she thought her purpose in life should be.

From that day on, I knew that this was not a woman who had a true concern for mankind, but rather a concern for how "her life" should play out in the grand scheme of things.

I want better for this country, for this world, and I know that there are MANY people that would agree with me.

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outofhere — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 03:19:04 GMT

I don't see the point to discuss anything here.

The way Obama's supporters talk....
The way Clinton's supporters talk....

Does it tell you anything ?

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Juanito, Washington, DC — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 04:04:15 GMT

Hillary is attacking Obama as inexperienced, yet all her "experience" as a Senator has been marked by voting with the Republicans. She slammed the Bush tax cuts in her speech today, yet she voted FOR the Bush tax cuts.
America, WAKE UP!!!

Check out Hillary's voting record and tell me how this woman can claim to be a Democrat.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/7/112817/053

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Alyson, Des Moines, Iowa — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 04:28:14 GMT

The Clinton campaign is back up to their old tricks...planting questions and changing positions based on the audience. She has less experience in public office than Senator Obama. Being First Lady, doesn't not equate to Presidential level experience, unless she's trying to imply that she was making critical decisions while her husband was President. On a side note, I have no idea why Governor Richardson doesn't just endorse Senator Clinton. His debate performance was simply embarrassing for himself and his supporters. He shouldn't receive another dime in financial support.

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Wendall Rogers, San Diego — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 04:39:03 GMT

The post talked about by some here was very disgusting. But so was the President at the time it occurred. Why in the world anyone would want that man back in the White House is beyond me.

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Saia, Pittsburg ca. — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:51:22 GMT

Hey,experience speaks,8years leading the country,the Clintons,hand in hand,day and night together, know each others way/ways how to lead America out of this economic mess that we're in now.Obam,just get in,in only two years to lead America during this difficult time for its people economically? Whatdo u know man or ever experience,especially on how to revive the country during this difficult time.Go Hillary. We definitely know for sure that u know how,How to save our country from financial depression of its people as we are at the present time, we do really need a smart,experienced and strong person to lead the country,HILLARY IS THE RIGHT ONE.None of these candidates being a treasury secretary either,or live in the White House 8 years looking down to America and its people.YES she has experience to be a leader on every aspects of life in America especially on our economy as the main forcussing of every American.

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John, Arlington VA — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:17:41 GMT

What experience is she talking about? President Obama has more experience than she does, he has tremendous experience as a community organizer, Constitutional law professor, Illinois Senator and now US senator. These MSM are so biased and have given Clinton the crown of most experienced candidate. Does being in White house for 8 years counts as EXPERIENCE? if so, can we also give the crown of 8 years experience to Mrs. Laura Bush, Nancy Reagan and 4 years presidential experience and 4 years VP experience to Barbara Bush (She might get more years as she is wife of Former President and mother of current President?

I am happy atleast Chris Mathews is now talking about tight race (thanks for correcting his stand on Mrs. Clinton's landslide victory).

The only work she did while in White House was that she pushed for Universal Health Care and what happened, went down the drain, If failing to achieve things also counts as Experience then Mrs. Clinton has the most (she never reached across the aisle).

Lets start talking about Hillary's experience, what's experience she has besides 6 years of partisan experience in US Senate. As Obama said "My understanding was that she wasn't Treasury Secretary in the Clinton administration. Rather than just assert experience, if she has specific differences with me in regard to economic policy then let's have that debate." Bring it on Mrs. Clinton.

Lets get to work, Fired up, ready to go.!!!!!!

Way to Go OBAMA.

Quote from one of the supporters
"listen...i am an Obama supporter first and foremost...but if Biden is more experienced than Clinton, where does that leave Barack? I mean, seriously...does anyone believe that Barack has more foreign policy experience than Joe? This cannot be the argument. The reason Barack is so necessary is because he offers precisely what Joe and Hillary cannot possibly offer - a reunification of the national character. That in these times of political and cultural division, Obama is THE ONLY candidate that offers the hope of transcending the politics of cynicism and allowing our wounds to begin to be healed…I know it sounds corny but I really believe that our Republic may not stand another 150 years should the status quo be allowed to endure."

"Nonsense. Hillary has every bit as much experience as Laura Bush, Nancy Reagan, and Barbara Bush.

Don't forget they've met all those foreign leaders too. For tea."

"Someone should ask Hillary what her typical day was like as first lady - what her tasks were, what her responsibilities consisted of (except for healthcare, we already know about that), etc.

Her main argument now is that she was simply there and close to the president. The highest role she played was adviser. It would be novel, however, to elect a person based on their previous status as an adviser to the president. And this gets to the heart of Obama's claim - that it is not simply having been there before that counts...you don't clock enough hours to earn a promotion to president...rather, it's the judgment and ability to lead that a president must have. Obama possesses these qualities, HRC does not."

"My thought exactly Linda. I mean she's the one who brags about her 35 years worth of experience. But I don't want those experience which delivered failed healthcare, questionable money raising from Chineese donor copying her husband's, THE WAR IN IRAQ, failure to read NIE report prior to war, failure to surround herself with experience people who would prevented her from voting FOR the war in IRAQ, planted questions & questionaires, failure to give straight answers on any given issue, failure to give us a sense who she really is - even her cackles were planted and most of all with all those experience she DOESN'T LEAD ON ANYTHING. She and her campaign are basically COPY CATS. They just pasted all John Edwards' & Barack Obama's policies and ideas. WHERE'S THE LEADING PART?"

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BIGOLDTEXAN — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:43:45 GMT

I LIKE OBAMA, I HATE HILLARY BECAUSE
SHE IS A LAIR!!!!.......

HILLARY CLINTON A LIAR WITH NO EXPERIENCE!!!!....

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kenn — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:08:07 GMT

ASK LBJ ABOUT EXPERINCE,ASK BUSH ABOUT CHANGE,maybe we just need someone who is smart and can think on thier feet not karl roves feet.

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Regular Person — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:32:50 GMT

I'm sorry, Bee honey, but you're sick. "Obama is a ...a muslim set to destroy this country."? How do you come up with this kind of nonsense? Where is your proof? The Bible says it wrong to call people names; and insisting that he is what he is not is a form of name calling. The man acts more like a Christian than you do. Incidentally, I am neither a Christian or a Muslim, but have known and loved people of both faiths. Morality has an inportant place in society, just not in government.

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Scott, PA — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:45:41 GMT

John, Alrington.
THough it was Biden that gained 75% support with Republicans on the most contentious issue of all, being Iraq. For Biden's Plan.
I also beleive that Biden can bring the country together and unite...namely becasue he has actually DONE it!

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Richard, Washington State — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:55:36 GMT

This is probably too late, but H P Boston sounds a lot like a fundamentalist fire-and-brimstone church leader named Fred Phelps. Different perspective, same hate and just as disgusting as the original post that started this little dance.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:27:29 GMT

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Kelly (Pittsburgh) — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:11:10 GMT

Obama is right on the money here. He is not claiming that he has more economics experience; just that Hillary should stop acting like she does. He is willing to debate the issues with her. If a voter questions his experience on this issue, he will answer truthfully.

Here is my take on the economics experience of these two. Obama, fresh from his historic Harvard Law editor honor, chose to not cash in but instead to become a community organizer. Hillary worked in private practice. So if nothing else, this shows he cares more about the plight of struggling Americans. Hillary also has experience serving on the Wal-Mart Board of Directors. Wal-Mart is genius in exploiting their workers, Chinese goods, and fighting off unionizing attempts. It is this kind of pro-business, pro-outsourcing experience which has made Hillary the corporate politician that she is. Her "experience" is just one of many reasons I can not vote for Hillary.

As for Biden, in general I respect him as a Senator and acknowledge that he has some pretty good experience credentials. However, I completely disagree with his advocacy to split Iraq up. And the fact remains he is not polling well enough, to be a serious contender. I would guess that if he were a top candidate he would be more aggressive in pointing out the many flaws in Clinton’s candidacy. But his ability to be lead and inspire is probably what is keeping him in the second tier. The press ignores him, because the people haven’t demanded he be covered.