Oh-eight (R): Romney vs. Rudy

John Alexander, Edinboro, PA — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:32:30 GMT

As I sit here listening to gun shots in the distance, (Buck season in PA), I can't help but see that it is open season for the repubs to slam each other, it is good to see that they are in a fix usually connected to the dems, many candidates with many reasons to attack the other candidates in their party. While it is not liked by many, it is the way of politics, we may get to see the repubs under pressure before they get in the White House, it can only help us in our decisions, who stands up to pressure and can still think on their feet. Well at least some of them will think on their feet, Fred will sit down cause his feet hurt and he is swooning, too much blood in his extremities, make for a dizzy candidate!

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Christopher Thurow — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:45:17 GMT

Sorry guys but most of the "news" listed above is...well...trash.

The only two candidates I see actually talking about issues are Paul and Thompson. The rest of these "pretend" conservatives are doing nothing more than going after each other and the press is a sucker for "reporting it".

Many of us expect more from NBC/MCNBC. Come on guys, get with it.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:56:44 GMT

Unlike the democrats who are afraid of Hillary and being called a bully who picks on girls, there is none of that in the GOP.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:00:10 GMT

HILLARY: I ‘WAS THE FACE OF AMERICA’

No wonder Osama Bin laden attacked America.........

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jus askin — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:01:41 GMT

would someone define what a conservative is?

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Aaron B. Walker, Fort Worth, TX — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:35:30 GMT

Conservative = Ron Paul

Now, let's talk a little bit about why this might have more truth to it than you might think. Look back... way back... to Jefferson, later Taft, even later Goldwater, a little more later to Reagan and then stop there. True conservatism began with the Democratic party under Jefferson's leadership and ended with Reagan's presidency. Now before you go jumping on the "hey, spending went out of control under Reagan's 8-year term and deficits skyrocketed", you need to remember who controlled Congress and you also need to recognize the extreme power of the Federal Reserve and how their destructive economic manipulations completely undercut Reagan's massive and much needed tax cuts. (Additionally, look at what Reagan had to deal with in taking over Jimmy Carter's seat in the oval office... give Reagan the credit he deserves and blame the real villains... Alan Greenspan, the Democratically controlled Congress and the rest of the Federal Reserve cronies.)

Conservative = smaller (federal) government, greater rights to the individual states, the maintaining of a Constitutional Republic (not a "democracy" that we have today), and true individual freedom and liberty. Remember that whole "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" thing? That's not just some poetic line to a true conservative... we really believe it. Ron Paul really believes it and is the ONLY ONE giving any real dialogue to it.

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modernwoman, Anytown,USA — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:48:16 GMT

Boy, I did some serious background checking on both Mitt and Rudy over the holiday. I wasn't sure which one I would be more afraid of. Sure hope the GOP runs ANY of the other candidates!!!

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Brennan, Kansas — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:06:35 GMT

Go Rudolph!!!!!!!!!! im voting for u

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modernman, anytown, USA — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:17:31 GMT

Modernwoman - What did you find in your serious background check about Mitt that scares you?

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Mike, Hermosa Beach, CA — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:04:39 GMT

A discussion of conservatism, among other topics...

http://truthalert.net/Green%20Libertarian%20Nationalism.htm

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modernwoman, no brain, USA — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:05:13 GMT

I learned that those mormon's are not christian! Oh and did you know they have horns!!!! Fact: My brothers wifes hairdressers cousin said so and I verified it on the internet!!!!

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Pink Elephant, Boston, MA — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:51:13 GMT

Well I can tell you that as a Massachusetts Republican, I would vote for almost any other candidate, Democrat or Republican, over Mitt Romney. I am against him because of:
(a) his unconstitutional health care reform
(b) his severe mishandling of the disasterous "Big Dig"
(c) his poor judgement on almost all of his appointments
(d) the insane amount of fees he forced upon MA citizens
(e) the insane amount of state taxes I had to pay
(f) his corrupt corporate campaign
(g) he will say anything to get elected, even if he contradicts himself a million times over...the only reason he could win a governorship in MA is if he claimed to be proabortion, progaymarriage, antigun...now the only way he can get the Repub nomination for the presidency is if he says the opposite
(h) he only ran for Governor so that he could run for the White House
(i) he brings nothing to the table. America needs change and reform, hope and unity. How will Mitt Romney bring that to America? He won't!

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Terry, Wa State — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:10:40 GMT

There's so much mud to sling at the so-called front runners of the GOP. Mitt and Rudy will get buried 6' deep in it........as they should.

In the meantime, Ron Paul will remain spotless regardless of the age old tactic of trying to connect him with terms like "rascist" Nazi, etc. Voters are on to that trick and yet they have nothing else to use against Ron Paul.

Those so-called frontrunners might as well gve upo on NH...it's Ron Paul country and it's a losing battle for Mitt and Rudy. NHers take their candidates seriously...they know a keeper when they see one.

Rudy even had to bus in 7 busses of people from New York for a rally in NH to make it look like he had support there. A NH Ron Paul supporter, who decided to go check out Rudy's visit documented it in some video's:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zjZrcHeXM48

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Kathy — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:27:48 GMT

I have to admit that Mitt Romney is about as plastic as you can get. His image just screams "FAKE". How he has managed to get so much support is beyond me. It must be because the Republicans don't really have any good candidates to support that they can agree on. McCain and Huckabee would be the most logical choices for them but they seem to be supporting Plastic Romney and Mad at the World Guliani.

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Teak, Cedar Hills — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:26:37 GMT

Pink Elephant from Boston you are entitled to your opinion, however you are not entitled to your version of the facts.

I too lived in New England and worked in Mass. before and during Romney’s tenure. Currently my son and his family live in Boston. So let us get to the facts:

A) Romney's health care reform is constitutional or it wouldn’t have passed. In addition his Health Care reform is viewed by many on either side of the isle as brilliant. I agree. My son is married with two children and one on the way. He is going to school in Boston and for the first time in his marriage he can afford to have health care for the entire family. Mitt thank you for this legislation! (Here’s what others have to say)
• The Club For Growth: “Governor Romney Deserves Credit For Proposing A Plan That Encourages Individually-Owned Health Insurance…” “Given these limitations, Governor Romney deserves credit for proposing (and to a lesser extent, enacting) a plan that encourages individually-owned health insurance and circumvents some of the inequities carved into the federal tax code.” (The Club For Growth, 8/21/07)
• Health Care Reform “Has Cut The Number Of Uninsured In The State By Nearly A Third.” (Steve LeBlanc, The Associated Press, 4/11/07)
• The New York Times: “Observers of the state’s progress since the health care law was passed in April 2006 say they are impressed that the varied constituencies – including health insurers, businesses, advocates, medical providers and taxpayers – largely continue to support the law and have worked to resolve differences.” (Pam Belluck, The New York Times, 7/1/07)
• Uninsured Massachusetts Residents Can Obtain Health Care Insurance For As Little As $175 A Month. Steve LeBlanc, The Associated Press, 3/3/07)

B) The Big Dig was a major problem of pay offs, over runs and failure long before Mitt arrived. It was Romney who finally brought it together and got the job done. Wow it was a delight to finally use the bridge and tunnel! Mitt was quick to take action when the section of the tunnel collapsed and killed a driver. He immediately started the investigation and removed the Head of the Turnpike Authority from his position.

C) Gov. Romney Appointed Judges Who Would Be Tough On Crime And Would Not Legislate From The Bench.
• For The State’s Highest Courts, Governor Romney Said He Would Appoint Judges with “Strict Construction, Judicial Philosophy.” (Raphael Lewis, The Boston Globe, 7/25/05)
• For The State’s Lowest Courts, Governor Romney Focused on Legal Experience and Whether the Nominee Would Be Tough on Crime. “He said he has focused on two factors: their legal experience and whether the nominees would be tough on crime. He said most of the nominees have prosecutorial experience. ‘People on both sides of the aisle want to put the bad guys away,’ Romney said.” (Raphael Lewis, The Boston Globe, 7/25/05)
• The Boston Globe: “Some of Romney’s nominees do have stellar Republican or conservative bona fides. For example, Romney’s pick for Peabody clerk magistrate, Kevin L. Finnegan, is a former two-term Republican state representative. Another choice was Bruce R. Henry, the son-in-law of former SJC Justice Joseph Nolan whom Romney wanted to represent his administration in seeking a stay of the court’s gay marriage ruling.” (Raphael Lewis, The Boston Globe, 7/25/05)

D) and E) I don’t know when you moved to Mass, but I can tell you the taxes were outrages long before Mitt was Gov. The taxes I paid in Mass were more then my federal taxes.
FACT: Governor Romney Has A Record Of Fighting For Lower Taxes In Massachusetts.
INCOME TAX CUT: Governor Romney Fought To Cut The Income Tax Rate In Massachusetts From 5.3% To 5%. (Scott Greenberger, “Tax Revenue Slowdown In Forecast,” The Boston Globe, 12/13/05)
CAPITAL GAINS TAXES: Governor Romney Turned The Legislature’s $250 Million Retroactive Capital Gains Tax Increase Into A $250 Million Tax Refund. (Governor Mitt Romney, Remarks At The Conservative Political Action Conference, Washington, D.C., 3/2/07)
INVESTMENT TAX CREDIT: In November 2003, Governor Romney Signed An Economic Stimulus Package Making The Investment Tax Credit (ITC) Permanent. (Office Of The Governor, “Romney Signs Economic Stimulus, Supplemental Budget Bills,” Press Release, 11/26/03)
PROPERTY TAX RELIEF: Governor Romney Proposed And Signed Legislation Providing Property Tax Relief To Senior Citizens, Enabling Them To Keep Their Homes. (Governor Mitt Romney, “Romney Signs Bill To Give Seniors Tax Relief,” Press Release, 11/20/05)
SALES TAX HOLIDAYS: Governor Romney Extended Sales Tax Holidays. (Michael Levenson, “Governor Drums Up Business For State’s Tax-Free Weekend,” The Boston Globe, 8/12/05)

F) There have NOT been any charges that Romney has a corrupt corporate campaign. He is using his own funding and has followed campaign laws for receiving donated funds. You may be confused with Hillary Clinton's campaign which has received over $800,000 in illegal campaign donations by Nsu who funneled campaign funds through third parties. Also it is Clinton who has received the most donations from Wall Street Hedge Fund managers. The largest sorce of contributor to Giuliani's campaign are people in the casino gaming industry.

G) Before you start stating flipping charges you really need to research what he has said, when it was said and in what context.
Gov. Romney Provided Strong, Pro-Life Leadership In Massachusetts And Massachusetts Pro-Life Organizations Agree.
• Gov. Romney Vetoed Legislation That Would Have Provided For The “Morning After Pill” Without A Prescription. (Gov. Mitt Romney, The Boston Globe, 7/26/05)
• Gov. Romney Promoted Abstinence Education In The Classroom. (Office Of Gov. Mitt Romney, “Romney Announces Award Of Abstinence Education Contract,” Press Release, 4/20/06)
• Gov. Romney Vetoed Legislation That Would Have Changed The Longstanding Definition Of The Beginning Of Human Life From Fertilization To Implantation. (Gov. Mitt Romney, Letter To The Massachusetts State Senate And House Of Representatives, 5/12/05)
• Gov. Romney Supports Parental Notification Laws And Opposed Efforts To Weaken Parental Involvement. (John McElhenny, The Associated Press, 10/29/02)
• Gov. Romney Supports Adult Stem Cell Research But Has Opposed Efforts To Advance Embryo-Destructive Research In Massachusetts. (Theo Emery, The Associated Press, 5/27/05)
• Massachusetts Citizens For Life Executive Director Marie Sturgis: “Having Governor Romney in the corner office for the last four years has been one of the strongest assets the pro-life movement has had in Massachusetts.” (Kathryn Jean Lopez, National Review, 1/10/07)
Gov. Romney Championed Traditional Marriage In Massachusetts.
• Gov. Romney Called For A Massachusetts Constitutional Amendment Defining Marriage As Between A Man And A Woman. “I disagree with the Supreme Judicial Court. Marriage is an institution between a man and a woman. I will support an amendment to the Massachusetts Constitution to make that expressly clear.” (Office Of Gov. Mitt Romney, “Statement By Governor Mitt Romney On SJC Decision On Same Sex Marriage,” Press Release, 11/18/03)
• When The Legislature Would Not Vote On The Amendment, Gov. Romney Filed Suit To Force A Vote. “Governor Mitt Romney and a group of Massachusetts residents asked the state’s highest court yesterday to override the Legislature and let voters decide whether to ban same-sex marriage, accusing legislative leaders of violating the state constitution by refusing to act on the proposal.” (Jonathan Saltzman, The Boston Globe, 11/25/06)
• Gov. Romney Enforced A 1913 Law Preventing Out-Of-State Same-Sex Couples From Marrying In Massachusetts. “Same-sex couples who live outside Massachusetts will not be able to marry in Massachusetts when gay marriage becomes legal here next month, Gov. Mitt Romney said.” (Pam Belluck, The New York Times, 4/25/04)
• Massachusetts Family Institute Kris Mineau: “He’s been rock solid on the issue of marriage.” (Steve LeBlanc, The Associated Press, 1/12/07)

H) I don’t know if the “only” reason Mitt was Governor so he could run for president. Even if that is the case why is that a problem. Many make the same claim of Hillary. …So what.

I) Romney brings nothing to the table. Wow your comment is either made out of ignorance or simply a lie. (Below is an excerpt from Wikipedia)
Mitt Romney graduated from the Cranbrook School in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan (now Cranbrook Kingswood School). After attending Stanford University for two quarters, Romney served in France for 30 months as a missionary for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.[13] In June of 1968 Romney was involved in a serious car accident while driving fellow missionaries in southern France. Another vehicle hit Romney's car head on; the fault for the accident, which left one person dead, has been attributed to the driver of the other vehicle.[14]
After his mission service Romney began attending Brigham Young University, where he graduated as valedictorian, earning his B.A. summa cum laude in 1971. In 1975, Romney graduated from a joint JD/MBA program coordinated between Harvard Law School and Harvard Business School. He graduated cum laude from the law school and was named a Baker Scholar for graduating in the top five percent of his business school class.[15]
Business career
After graduation Romney went to work for the The Boston Consulting Group, where he had interned during the summer of 1974.[16] From 1978 to 1984, Romney was a vice president of Bain & Company, Inc., another Boston-based management consulting firm. In 1984, Romney left Bain & Company to co-found a Bain & Company spin-off private equity investment firm called Bain Capital.[17] During the 14 years he headed the company, Bain Capital's average annual internal rate of return on realized investments was 113 percent,[18] making money primarily through leveraged buyouts.[19] He invested in or bought many well-known companies such as Staples, Brookstone, Domino's, Sealy Corporation and The Sports Authority.[20]
In 1990, Romney was asked to return to Bain & Company, which was facing financial collapse. As CEO, Romney managed an effort to restructure the firm's employee stock-ownership plan, real-estate deals and bank loans, while increasing fiscal transparency. Within a year, he had led Bain & Company through a highly successful turnaround and returned the firm to profitability without layoffs or partner defections.[18]
Romney left Bain Capital in 1998 to head the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympic Games Organizing Committee.[21]
He and his wife have a net worth of between 190 and 250 million USD.[22]
CEO of the Salt Lake Organizing Committee
Romney served as president and CEO of the 2002 Olympic Winter Games held in Salt Lake City. In 1999, the event was running $379 million short of its revenue benchmarks. Plans were being made to scale back the games in order to compensate for the fiscal crisis.[23] The Games were also damaged by allegations of bribery involving top officials, including then Salt Lake Olympic Committee (SLOC) President and CEO Frank Joklik. Joklik and SLOC vice president Dave Johnson were forced to resign.[24]
On February 11, 1999, Romney was hired as the new president and CEO of the Salt Lake Organizing Committee.[25] Romney revamped the organization's leadership and policies, reduced budgets and boosted fundraising. He also worked to ensure the safety of the Games following the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 by coordinating a $300 million security budget.[26] Despite the initial fiscal shortfall, the Games ended up clearing a profit of $100 million, not counting the $224.5 million in security costs contributed by outside sources.[27][28]
Romney contributed $1 million to the Olympics, and donated the $825,000 salary he earned as President and CEO to charity.[29] He wrote a book about his experience called Turnaround.
There is much more to his back ground but I’m out of space.

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Klutometis, Los Angeles, CA — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:23:39 GMT

"Paul has enough money to stay in this race long enough to make sure he's one of the final three or four candidates still participating in debates."

And Ron Paul isn't even done yet! Which is why our increasingly Soviet-like media gives me cognitive dissonance: why are you mentioning Paul as some sort of afterthought after the fake guys?

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moshe kerr midland texas — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:15:36 GMT

For me mbc i've cast upon the dung heaps of history. I boycott any and all advertizers of the provda rag.