First thoughts: A big night for Huckabee

Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:34:37 GMT

The Republican Party is doomed. Thanks for all your help George W. Bush !

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Bill C. — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:37:14 GMT

Hey lookie here, hillaryclinton.com

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Bee — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:42:33 GMT

Here is my assessment for last night debate; Huckabee won the debate hands down. As an African American, I’ll consider voting for him if he win the nomination compare to Hillary Clinton.

Mitt Romney was very uncomfortable with race and foreign policy questions. McCain schooled him on the issue of torture.

Giuliani did okay but not exceptional. In fact, yesterday debate provides another insight to why media want Giuliani vs. Clinton match up, which I think will be good for tabloid but bad for America.

McCain still remain a wild card in the race.

Ron Paul is the voice of anti war in republican

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pat huntington ny — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:44:36 GMT

Big night for bible thumper Huckabee indeed....we learn he raised taxes as Arkansas Gov. by more than $500 million despite so called tax cuts that had nothing to do with him. He makes off color comments that reak of sexism and immaturity against Hillary. Send her to Mars? No, send you to Mars with all the republicans so that the IQs on Earth and Mars instantly increase!

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Sadie King, Pacific WA — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:46:14 GMT

There is no Candiate in this election compared to Ron Paul! He is a man of honor, pride and intregrity. Ron Paul will be the America's Hero and President. No candiate is more honest and more patrotic then the one and only true candiate Ron Paul! Go Ron Paul, my husband and I support and stand by you all the way!! Ron Paul 08!!!! We love you Ron and thank you for fighting for America!

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diane — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:47:10 GMT

Clinton needs to see this health care blitz on Obama is a no go. Reading comments on various sites regarding the mandates show that most people are not in favor of them. It has the feel of big brother.
Coupled with her fiasco of 93, it is not something she needs to push on as her choice of topic to try to hurt Obama on.
It is also at the same time as the Bill faux pas. Which makes more headlines for two reasons. The war is a sore subject with democrats and it highlights the very weakness of Hillary's. The clintons are just too obsessed on polls and therefore come off as being untrustworthy as they base their opinions on polls. This led to her bad judgment with Iraq and it may be reignited as a problem with democrats.
I do not like the Clintons, even though I'm a democrat but, I can see that unless she gets control of her campaign again she will be in deep trouble.
It has the feel of it getting away from them and that they are reacting and lashing out rather than the perfect control she has throughout the campaign.
they really need to sit down a rethink what they are doing and gain some control again or she is going to implode like Dean did.
We rib her supporters about her being desperate but, in truth, there is that air about things in her camp right now.
I am not being snarky, just observing what is causing her problems.

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Shadow, Hamden, CT — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:47:28 GMT

An independent voter's take:

Paul: A-
Huckabee: A-
Thompson: B-
Giuliani: C+
McCain: C-
Romney: D-

Romney would have been a F without his effective retort about his undocumented workers at the outset, most of the night sounding like he was reciting bullet points concocted in a staff meeting, and McCain would have been a F if not for his wonderful anti-torture answer; the fact that he got only 50/50 support with his pro-war rant against Paul FROM A GOP CROWD is a serious blow to McCain, and he jumped the shark when he mentioned Hitler and more of the crowd turned on him. This was Thompson's best debate so far if for funny lines moreso than serious ones, Giuliani got hit a few times but had some strong moments, Huckabee was very likeable and effective, and Paul got a surprisingly strong positive reaction from a GOP crowd when he stood up against the war; his line about us paying to blow up and then rebuild bridges in other countries while ours are crumbling was probably the most memorable line of the debate, particularly to voters who care about our pressing fiscal problems.

The most nauseating moment of the debate, however, was the xenophobic trifecta of Rudy, McCain, and Hunter TOTALLY missing the point of a Muslim voter's question, each taking it as an excuse for a neoconservative diatribe, to the degree that it was intellectually offensive and essentially spat on her question. Watching an ugly moment like that is almost enough to make one wonder if a Republican could ever be elected President in a general election anymore.

How this debate affects the early states, though, is what really matters in the race. When one examines that angle, Huckabee decked Romney in Iowa, Paul just took apart McCain in NH, and Thompson probably passed Romney in SC.

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Bee — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:47:39 GMT

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bobby miami fl — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:51:37 GMT

the very last person we as a nation, need in the white house is another religious ideolog. the president should have as a minimume requirment, the ability to reason and use critical thinking. beliving in the shear utter nonesense of the bible completely rules that out. as a baptist minister mr huckabee shoul withdraw from the running. their has been enough damage done to our constitution from bush and his cronies and we must all do our best to prservr the secular nature of our constitutional goverment, lest we end up all being forced to live by the rules supertitious dogma

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:52:11 GMT

The GOP did the best they could with what was given to them. This whole youtube thing would have been better served on Comedy Central then a news organization trying to look like they are taking the debates seriously. CNN has no business even hosting debates. Now that the GOP has gone on the Clinton News network, let's see if the democrats have the stones to go on Fox news and have a debate. Of course they won't. Bill Clinton was the one man enough to go one on one with Chris Wallace. Hillary is just a scared whipped little girl who can't handle tough questions and the other so called "men" in the democratic party are listening to George Soro's too much and need his money and support.

The bad news for them is that there’s very little coverage of Hillary’s tough speech on health care yesterday, which was aimed squarely at Obama.

Bad enough when the media chooses to cover why her plane was late for two hours, they seem to be getting tired of Hillary's little girl rant against Obama and his health coverage. I don't recall Obama's plan being bought and paid for like Hillary's plan was.

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bobby miami fl — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:52:42 GMT

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Santa An — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:53:41 GMT

The corporate mediea wants the weakest Democratic canidate-obama- as the nominee.

That why the MSM doesn't cover the Clinton Heath care speeches. Clinton speeches make Edwards and Clinton look great

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RAH — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:58:03 GMT

Hilary is going after Obama on Health Care because the polls tells her she's ahead on that issue. Like everything else, she'll soon be back peddling when Obama hits her and the voters with a fact check. Her Health Care plan isn't all she says it is. See for yourself.

http://www.factcheck.barackobama.com

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Schratboy, Boulder, CO — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:59:16 GMT

Holy Mackerel! The media Jihad continues as all the Lame Stream Media outlets continue to push their anointed favorites to the dullard masses: MittRudy Romnialiani. They occasionally throw Huckabee a bone, a certified died-in-the-wool CLintonista, while ignoring the only candidate offering a NEW direction for America: Dr. Ron Paul.

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Tim Kelley, St. Paul, Minn — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:05:17 GMT

After all the verbal stumbles of the Bush presidency we have finally discovered someone who can communicate republican principles with wit & wisdom. Huckabee won Hands down. He is the most articulate, humble, real candidate out of all of them-McCain came out ok. Romney just got a beating..wow..definitely NOT his night. I wonder what Hugh Hewitt and all those who were so ready to give Romney the mantle of conservatism are doing after this one. HUCKABEE is a force to be contended with, and tonight he showed WHY he is on the rise in Iowa. The Underdog is poised to take a bite out of Rudy McRomney on Jan 3rd. The others were all a distant..3rd...Duncan Hunter had some ok stuff and Fred is frankly coming across as kinda like..hey man ..someone please pick me for VP so I can sport my hot wife around DC. And what was with the INQUISTION Style question the crackpot youtuber asked about the Bible(As if he has ever read it)(and all the man on man gay questions...and the rebel flag...weird..there had to be some better questions that those...but wow did the gays in the military question make Romney look like a TOTAL flip flopper...what a bad night for him.

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Ray Clifford Oaktie SC — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:06:01 GMT

Paul is not real,Rommey sounded like Bill Clinton,Giuliani was weak and stumbled. The voices of Huckabee,McCain, and Fred Thompson were the voices of reason being steady,gentleman at all times and knew their issues and where the country should be going.Would trust those three more then the others.

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Tim, CT — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:07:12 GMT

Followup here... are you going to retract yesterday's claim that Richardson is the NRAs favorite candidate in either party? Or better yet, if that's true, then I respectfully request that next time the blog owner, Chuck Todd, is on Meet the Press, he also mention (on national TV) that Richardson is the NRAs favorite. Chuck... will you commit to doing that?

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Democrat Disgusted — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:08:51 GMT

I am a dedicated democrat. I have voted democrat all my life. All my colleges are mostly democrat. After last nights debate a majority of my colleges including me are beginning to lean towards Huckabee. If a candidate aspires to be president of this great nation I believe that the most important quality in a candidate should be a foundation built upon integrity. I do not agree on every stance that Mister Huckabee has taken, but his candor and his propensity toward honesty has caught my attention. I feel that Huckabee has a genuine concern for the American people. I am very ashamed of the democratic candidates because I do not feel that they care about the American people. I am ashamed because it seems my party is concerned with mud-slinging and the almighty dollar more than the welfare of all American people.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:09:28 GMT

Democratic Iowa Caucus
Iowa Democrats: Clinton 27% Obama 25% Edwards 24%
Thursday, November 29, 2007

The Iowa Democratic caucuses remain a three-person race that is far too close to call.

The latest Rasmussen Reports poll of the Iowa Democratic Caucus for 2008 finds Hillary Clinton at 27%, Barack Obama at 25%, and John Edwards at 24%. Bill Richardson is the only other Democrat in double-digits at 10% while Joe Biden earns 4% of the vote from Likely Caucus Participants.

These results reflect little change from a Rasmussen Reports survey conducted earlier in the month. In the previous survey Clinton had 29% support with Edwards at 25% and Obama at 24%. While the race in Iowa remains very close, Clinton retains a solid lead in the national polls and double digit leads in New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Florida. Many believe that those figures may change based upon what ultimately happens on January 3 in Iowa.

Currently, in Iowa, Clinton attracts 30% of the vote from women while Obama earns 26% and Edwards 22%. Among men, it’s Edwards 26%, Clinton 24%, and Obama 23% (see crosstabs).

In terms of second-choices in Iowa, John Edwards tops the list of candidates. He is the second choice for 28% of likely caucus participants. Obama is the second choice for 18%, Clinton for 16%, and Richardson for 15%. Second choice preferences are especially important given the nature of the Iowa caucuses. In a particular caucus setting, if a candidate receives less than 15% of the vote, their supporters will be re-allocated to other candidates.

There are many challenges to polling a caucus, primarily around the question of who will actually participate. Those challenges are magnified this year by the timing of the caucus on January 3 forcing candidates and their teams to explore tactful methods of contacting voters during the holiday season.

When only voters who are “certain” they will participate in the caucus are included in the totals, Obama is supported by 26%, Edwards by 25% and Clinton by 23%.

However, when only those who are certain which candidate they will support are included, it’s Clinton 27%, Obama 25% and Edwards 22%.

Among those who have participated in a caucus before, it’s Edwards 25%, Clinton 24% and Obama 22%.

Collectively, these results show that the caucuses remain a three-way race and no candidate has a measurable advantage at this time.

Just 8% of Likely Caucus Participants say that there is a good chance they will change their mind between now and January 3. That figure includes 10% of Edwards’ supporters, 7% of those for Obama, and 5% for Clinton.

Overall, 68% of both Clinton supporters and Obama supporters say they are certain they will vote for their candidate. Earlier in the month, 57% of Clinton supporters were certain of their support along with just 45% of Obama supporters. Sixty-three percent (63%) of Edwards supporters currently say they are certain to vote for him. That’s up from 52% earlier in the month.

Thirty-six percent (36%) of Likely Caucus Participants think that Clinton is likely to win the caucuses. An identical number think that Obama is likely to win. Nineteen percent (19%) say Edwards is the likely winner, 3% name somebody else, and 5% are not sure.

When it comes to the Democratic nomination, 42% believe Clinton will emerge as the ultimate nominee, 28% say Obama and 17% Edwards.

Thirty-five percent (35%) say that the War in Iraq is their most important voting issue while 23% name the economy and 18% cite health care.

Among Democrats who name Iraq as the top voting issue, 28% support Obama, 25% Clinton, and 23% Edwards. For those who name the economy as the top issue, it’s Clinton 30%, Edwards 27%, and Obama 21%. For those who said health care is the number one issue, 38% prefer Clinton, 22% Edwards, and 19% Obama.

Democratic caucus participants are focused on an entirely different set of priorities from Republican caucus participants. Among the GOP voters, immigration was named the top issue by 25%. Only 5% of Democratic caucus participants say it’s their top issue. In the GOP caucus, Mike Huckabee at 28% and Mitt Romney at 25% have made it a two-man race.

Eighty-five percent (85%) of Likely Caucus Participants have a favorable opinion of Edwards, 79% say the same about Obama, and 76% offer a positive assessment of Clinton. Richardson is viewed favorably by 69%, and Biden by 57% and Dennis Kucinich by 33%.

All polling for caucus events presents challenges in determining who is likely to show up and participate. In conducting and analyzing this survey, Rasmussen Reports reviewed results for many possible levels of turnout. While the results varied modestly depending upon the turnout model, all showed a very competitive race with Clinton, Obama, and Edwards in a virtual tie for the lead."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/2008_presidential_election/iowa/democratic_iowa_caucus

Van

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Liu Bei — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:12:06 GMT

A big night for...who????

http://people.ronpaul2008.com/campaign-updates

And thanks fellas, for mentioning that Paul does a pretty good job of sounding rational when posed with (somewhat?) irrational questions.

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Sam — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:17:21 GMT

First Read reports tht Romney was a "lightning rod" in last night's debates and took flak from other candidates. He was even compared to Howard Dean 04.

Mitt Romney, once Crackpot Chris Matthews starts in on you with his "unvarnished press propaganda" on Hardball, you will be withstanding more than mere slings and arrows.

Romeny, you're too handsome for Chris and not the big beefy guys he so slobers over. In other words you are not his annointed Rudy, so look out.

Matthews, who is obviously unwell and has been for years, along with his "paper trained panelist" plays the public for fools nightly.

Remember the little "slings and arrows" he shot at Al Gore for two years...questioning important issues like his 3 button suit, his cadence of speech, even his manhood.

Remember how Matthews slobbered all over Bush...so likeable, just the kind of guy you'd like to have a beer with...overlooked his obvious lack of experience
and all the gaffe's Bush spoke. Of course now Matthews questions Bush's War...where was Matthews judgement back then and now?

So Romney, look out. The multi-millionaire, Social Security hating (says it's a Ponzi scheme), woman hating, closeted Republican Matthews has you in his sites.

As a Republican, you'd think Matthews would cease and desist, however, Romney, you are in the way of his boy, Rudy.

And Romney, don't look to the "career Democratic liberals" for any help with Matthews. They pretend to not notice when he totally trashes Democratic candidates with his lies and mudslinging. For some reason the liberal and progressive press roll over pay dead for Matthews and even go after their own.

Yes, I know Mr. Romney, it's strange to us Democrats also. We also know that Matthews needs help, meds,or at least an intervention. Aslong as no one has the courage to stand up and profile nutcases like Matthews the personal slurs, mudslinging, progaganda will continue nightly.

Sorry, Mitt, we liberals can't help you...we're too busy eating our own.

Sorry.

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Bob, NY, NY — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:18:35 GMT

Quite frankly I don't care as much that this general who asked the don't ask don't tell question last night was a supporter of Kerry and is of Hillary as much as I care about the answer that was given by the GOP candidates. With the military having problems keeping people and eliminating many barriers to people serving such as drug use and criminal backgrounds the fact that they still drum out people who are gay is a sad state of affairs.

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Daniel, NY — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:20:25 GMT

New poll from Iowa released just now for Democrats, and it has Clinton staying ahead by a few points in what is essentially a three-way toss-up: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2007/11/morning-polls-clinton-holds-on-to.html

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Justin K, Philadelphia, PA — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:33:10 GMT

While Im no fan of Mike Huckabee I do think he played his cards correctly in this debate. Taking the "moral high ground" on several issues seemed to prove fairly effective. In the one spat with Romney, Huckabee made him look like just another rich white man out of touch with the everyday Joe. He also looked like he was trying to grab some Ron Paul supporters with that IRS comment. Giuliani and Romney didnt bring anything new to the table. Other than Mccains torture comments I dont think he brought anything substantial. Ron Paul, who myself especially was looking foward to seeing, was asked ridiculous question. North American Union? An independent run if you dont get the bid? Absolutely ridiculous. Cut off Romney and Giulanis monologues and give that man some time to speak.

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Jon T., Greenville, SC — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:35:29 GMT

Sick of Rudy and New York, New York....He cannot maintain a stable marriage and this is Presidential material?? Mitt, flabbled on some questions but did look polished. McCain looked too ticked off too many times. For straight answers...when they actually got asked questions Huckabee, Paul and Tancredo gave pretty straight answers. Thompson looked like he had not slept in days... Clearly though the Anderson Cooper and the producers had a bias towards asking too many questions to Mitt and Rudy, a blind man would have seen that.

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Denise K (Kaplan), Toronto,ON, Canada — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:38:06 GMT

Could it bee Huckabee?? He was indeed buzzing yesterday! Making us feel all warm and fuzzy and safe inside...Like an understanding daddy...What really lies under all that soft spoken sheen? Is there a scary agenda being masked by all this niceness??

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Sharon — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:39:12 GMT

Thank you MSNBC for refusing to regurgitate the daily press releases sent by Howard Wolfson and Mark Penn to all media outlets.

I appreciate that you are willing to do your job of informing the American people with the facts as you determine them, not as determined by campaigns intent on "strong arming" the media.

Hillary's desperate efforts to control the discussion are harmful to the democratic party and to the American people.

A free press is our only hope.

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Dante, Maryland — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:39:26 GMT

Bee, I completely agree, I am a Democrat, if Huckabee wins the nomination, I will vote for him over Hillary Clinton!

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Lance Cambridge, MA — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:39:57 GMT

Who is the Amtrak Corridor media elite? everybody who is not Chuck, Todd, and Domenico ?

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vanreuter, NY NY — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:40:11 GMT

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Van

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Amy B Portland, ME — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:40:50 GMT

Huckabee is a nice enough guy, but I can't imagine him in an elected office higher than a local school board. Try comparing him to a Biden or Dodd. He doesn't have the experience or depth of either second tier Democratic candidate. I saw an interview with a panel of undecided Republicans afterwards, and one lady volunteered after watching the debate she was pretty sure she'd made up mind...to vote for John Edwards.

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M Weaver, Wilson, North Carolina — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:41:04 GMT

Hillary Clinton is toast.....

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Arkansas Heritage — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:41:22 GMT

Mike Huckabee is the media darlin today after the debates. No doubt he can be a comedian and charming...he's been on stage as a minister, in a band, etc for a big part of his life so he's had plenty of experience there.
Huckabee's humor is just ordinary "good old boy"
talk from Arkansas although the press doesn't know that. The down home old boys are hilarious.
BUT...comedy only goes so far. Ask the people of Arkansas what they thought of Huckabee in a serious role as governor. It was not pretty, folks.
Perhaps the media should look beyond charm and humor and check out Huckabee's governing and his stand on real issues. Ignore the good old boy talk and how much fun he'd be to have a beer...Coke...with.
People were fool by "that" eight years ago and look what we "really" got.

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Mick — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:43:21 GMT

Romney's answer about black on black violence was one of the best answers of the night. He mentioned the father, and that in a nutshell answered where and why violence starts. Too many black kids grow up without responsible parents. That is the ONLY answer to the problem. Black society needs to take responsibility for its own actions instead of blaming the white man and republicans.

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Baker Faraday, Crestwood, KY — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:45:02 GMT

The biggest take from the debate is how tied in the Democratic Party is to the Clinton News Network (CNN). The media is so unabashedly liberal they don't even take care to be secretive any more. I enjoy this spectacle more than the debate itself. It took Bill Bennett all of thirty seconds to pick off Clinton's plant in the General. It only further shows who the cheaters are in politics.
Democrats would never present themselves in front of a mediator that wasn't drinking their KoolAid.
YouTube is so sophmoric - only a news network where no one over 20 watches would even think of using such a juvenile concept as a backdrop, except MSNBC of course.
Huckabee wins again. Romney did enough but is coming off too scripted - hard to get behind.
Look for Mitt and Mike '08...

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juan,ft lauderdale, fl — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:45:42 GMT

z-My sentiments exactly! If the GOP continues to pander to less than 30% of the population hopefully they will go by way of the Whig party.

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bob stewart, marshall, missouri — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:46:15 GMT

Thanks for good coverage of the next President of the United States - Mike Huckabee.
He's the RIGHT candidate - hands down!

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Bill Hamlin, Rochester NY — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:46:40 GMT

I was surprised that Huckaby did not seem to know Jesus position on capital punishment. Jesus said render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and when Caesar's rep 'Pontius Pilate' sentenced him tn death, Jesus accepted that punishment with out complaint

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Mark , Carmel , Indiana — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:49:25 GMT

I was very impressed with Huckabee. McCain, Paul and Huckabee appeared honest and sincere with their answers. They were the only major players that I feel that actually tried to answer questions. Guiliani and Romney seemed to be very guarded with their comments whcih concerns me. Out of the three that were honest, Huckabee seems like the only one that could work with both sides of the aisle and get something accomplished. McCain and Paul would be lightning rods and would perpetuate the same stalemate legislation we have today.

I would like to see a Huckabee/McCain ticket. McCain is the best person we have to confront terror today. However, if he were at the forefront he would have a battle with Congress as he applies limited filters to his message when angry.

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mikeeg,abdn,wa — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:50:08 GMT

The real question is how bad will the PACKERS beat dallas?

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mikeeg,abdn,wa — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:50:38 GMT

The real question is how bad will the PACKERS beat dallas?

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Southern Born — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:53:11 GMT

Have we sunk to voting for a president on the basis or humor, charm, and personality? What about the real issues and throw in a little intelligence and leadership qualities.
How many times can the media and some of the people be fooled?
Didn't we vote in 2000 for charm and personality.
Look what we got.
Didn't the media and some of us fall for the Rovian orchestraed Bush, the non wind sufer, once again in 2004?
Huckabee is charming, humoreous, but let's not be fooled ONCE AGAIN in '08.
Check out his stand on real issues...cut through his sidestepping with humor. Find out what he really
is about.
Vote with your eyes wide open THIS TIME.

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Desperate, Overland Park KS — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:57:28 GMT

z is right the 08 election was decided long before these yahoos took the stand. That being said Huckabee was the clear winner, but he has no shot at the general.

Repubs really must miss Rove. Is he the only one wise enough to tell the Repubs that they have to turn out every inch of their bigoted consituency in order to win an election. The glue is gone, but before GW and Rove it wasn't really there either. Rove and GW exploited a perfect storm in order to unite some of the strangest bedfellows ever to claim the same political party. It's funny to watch these debates to see the splintered cells bash and clang against each other.

Huckabee- religious bigot or social conservative
Giuliani- Tough guy
Romney- CEO or fiscal conservative
Paul- Libertarian

The perfect storm is over and now the Repubs have a fractured party where each individual candidate does particularly well at their brand of Republicanism, but once elected can not draw together the rest of the coalition and after pathetic leadership over the past 7 years has zero likelihood of drawing in any independents. The only chance the Repubs have is running Huckabee against Hillary. If the Dem nominee is not Hillary then the Dems win in every single match up possible. Huckabee can carry the south with his bigoted religious views, and stands the greatest likelihood of winning over the CEO republicans as long as he looks like he will be able to manipulate the ignorant religious republicans enough to apply the rules of fiscal conservatism (which if you look he doesn't subscribe too).

While Dem debates often look like a tragedy because of the medias focus on promoting the Hillary candidacy, the GOP debates are certainly the best comedy going right now, since the writers strike has canceled most primetime shows.

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FormerNYC in NC,Charlotte,NC — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:58:45 GMT

Hilary to MARS

Brilliant!

They have no idea what a flip/flop looks like.

She'll be a queen.

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juan,ft lauderdale,fl — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:59:45 GMT

Pat thanks for your 9:44 a.m blog for bringing a chuckle. I do enjoy reading them. Keep them coming!

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pat huntington ny — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:59:46 GMT

On a side note, I heard the Clinton's campaign planted another question in the republican debate. The general that ask that question works for the Clinton’s campaign.

I am expecting Clinton's spin on this.

Bee (Sent Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:47 AM)

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Bee, this is a total fabrication. And even if it were a planted question, it was clearly appropriate...it was from a retired army general who was gay asking about don't ask don't tell, i.e., gays in the military.

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Annette, Kansas City, MO — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:02:12 GMT

Huckabee is awesome. I wish the press would give him more attention - check out his website - seriously- he rocks.

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Julie Neuman, Scottsdale AZ — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:02:18 GMT

The Bill Clinton psychotic episode of his stance on the Iraq war from yesterday will be the gift that keeps on giving. That will be the YouTube gem for this week that any campaign can link to anytime Hillary makes a statement on Iraq. These two, Bill and Hillary, are becoming a bad joke, and it's showing up in the polls. Sane people look at the insanity these two put out on a daily basis, and are deciding they have had enough of these two frauds.

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pat huntington ny — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:03:53 GMT

Romney hired illegal aliens to mow his lawn at his house while governor. Romney didn't introduce governor's bills to legislature to cut taxes. Romney approved shoddy work on the Big Dig that collapsed and then called it by a racist remark [tar baby]. Romney flip flops more than a fish out of water.

Huckabee raised taxes in Arkansas. Huckabee would cut all funding to the sciences. Huckabee was a do nothing governor. Huckabee would change this country's name to the Christian Funadmentalist Regime of America. Huckabee is nothing more than a one liner debater.

Anyone who votes for these two needs to get their heads checked.

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John Lemaster Houston Texas — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:04:17 GMT

As a Democrat who watched the debate, it was very informative and interesting. Debates should show contrasting positions and last nights did. There seems to be no unity on immigration, the war, torture or taxes even on the republican side. These issues are the big rocks that Republicans pelt the Democrats with.

I guess when the get a nominee, the words "glass houses" come to mind.

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Linda Lou — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:04:17 GMT

I agree with you, Santa An that the corperate media wants the weakest Democrat to run against the Rep. in the GE.
The Corperate Media is REPUBLICAN.
Check it out. Who do their "lapdogs" like Hardball's Matthews push...Obama. What should that tell us?
Since Matthews viciously attacks Senator Clinton nightly, we know the Republican Corperate Media is afraid of her.
Obama is a good guy but he'd be hamburger meat in no time in the Republican meat grinder spin machine.
It's unfair but true.

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John Lemaster Houston TX — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:05:36 GMT

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Dot, Illinois — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:11:21 GMT

For me with respect to these candidates, my question concerns foreign policy knowledge and/or experience. With the exception of McCain, are the others well versed in international issues?

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russ — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:14:33 GMT

(Im sorry to say but i think the debate was terriable and never really addressed the issues concerning the America people... I think the media set it up as a show for 3 of the canadates and ignored the others...Thats why this country is in the the mess we are the media no longer represents free press views but what the almighty dollars brings in and tries to convince the American people who is the better person.....Keep out of it None of these canadates are what this country really needs

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vanreuter, NY NY — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:15:01 GMT

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Coy Reese, Shady Spring, West Virginia — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:30:16 GMT

Although extremely careful to avoid mentioning the name of George W. Bush, the GOP hopefuls save Paul, essentially are continuing to march in lock step with Bush and apparently intend, if elected, to continue all policies, foreign and domestic, of the current discredited and failed Commander-in-Chief. The GOP will not win the election of November 2008, by handing the electorate the Presidency of George W. Bush who has been rejected by approximately 75% of his Nation. Just avoiding mentioning Bush's name at televised debates is not adequate, the possible nominees have to verbalize how their respective Administrations would differ from the current GOP regime.

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ES, Chicago, IL — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:31:27 GMT

"beliving in the shear utter nonesense of the bible completely rules that out. as a baptist minister mr huckabee shoul withdraw from the running."
-- then prehaps we should erase a large protion of America's history including removing Washington and Lincoln from our History books. Wake up a smell the coffee; what make believe world do you live in? Understanding and appreciating the Bible, and other religious books for that matter, is a key skill in understadning human kind, history, and being a great leader for USA and the world.

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IQ — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:38:20 GMT

"On a side note, I heard the Clinton's campaign planted another question in the republican debate. The general that ask that question works for the Clinton’s campaign. "

I am expecting Clinton's spin on this.

Bee, I have mentioned many times here that , with all respect, we don't mind you sing songs for Obama, but you better know the words before you sing it, otherwise it doesn't sound good.

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Blue in Minnesota — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:39:39 GMT

Also on the trail today . . . Edwards on Countdown with Keith Olberman. I'm surprised First Read wouldn't plug this, seeing as Keith is a colleague of yours at MSNBC.

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Joe Vala — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:40:44 GMT

A) The great deflating sound you heard last night were the lungs of liberals who have been seeding Paul's campaign when he said he will not run as a third candidate. Looks like you kids are just gonna have to try and win one fair and square!

B) Dems better start fearing Huckabee, and fast. This guys has a bullet next to his name.

C) Fred Thompson: Done. Finished. Finute.
D) Note to Rudy; coming off as a bully will not help you, so cut it out!
E) Is it just me, or does Romney come of as Kerry lite?
F) Note to Bill Clinton; dude, shut up, will you? The reason the right owned DC for the better part of 12 years was because keeping things closed seems to be a real issue with you.
G) Huckabee vs. Robo-Hillary? I think she'd get her clock cleaned.

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Lee J., Fairfax VA — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:43:52 GMT

pat huntington ny ....Bee, this is a total fabrication. And even if it were a planted question, it was clearly appropriate...it was from a retired army general who was gay asking about don't ask don't tell, i.e., gays in the military.

Typical response from someone in the Clinton's backpocket. "We didn't do it, but if we did do it, it doesn't matter." The Bart Simpson method of denial.

We had eight years of this crap in the '90s, we don't need another four.

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Charlene, Traverse City, Michigan — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:45:19 GMT

Just like so many uninformeds.....you use public education's grading system to rank the debaters....
That doesn't say a thing about to what extent they performed....
It's hard to be an eagle among turkeys......and who else is tiring of the response rhetoric?

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:49:03 GMT

I didn't care for any of these nut jobs. They aren't racist enough for me to vote for them.

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grant lindsey Nashville, Tn — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:49:47 GMT

I have a great deal of respect for Hillary Clinton. Unfortunately, however, the last few weeks have done nothing but remind Americans of how much they didn't like the way she handled being in the Whitehouse, especially her arrogant approach to the healthcare issue. She turns people off, plain and simple. If the media continues to insist on her as the nominee, we're guaranteed a Republican victory. She can't win this; there are just too many negatives and too much baggage. Unfortunately, the media is more interested in having a year long soap opera between the two worst possible nominees, than facilitating real and desperately needed change in this country.

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Mike, Denver CO — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:50:29 GMT

What an entertaining and educational evening. The U-Tube format at first seemed a bit weird, but it worked.

Huckabee and Paul were the only candidates last night who seemed to genuinely have the best interest of the American public at heart.

Rudy came in a close third. If he could do for the rest of America what he did for New York (if his statistics are correct), he might have the receipe for fixing what's wrong with America.

Tancrato needs to pack his tent and move on, as should Romney after changing his position on almost everything discussed last night more times than he changes his underwear. And what was he trying to say when he said that he has two guns at home, neither of which are his (They belong to his son who likes to buy his dad expensive things. Give us a break!).

Fred was....er.....a..just Fred. I just don't see him running the country. Neither do I see McCane. We'd never get out of the war.

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Former NYC in NC,Charlotte,NC — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:53:12 GMT

Pat
You need your head checked if you vote for Hilary too.

The only thing I hear from people of all races and economic classes is that they don't know who there voting for but they are sure it won't be Hilary based on her total inexperience (no we don't count working with the White House Caterers as experience or putting contracts out on Bill's indiscretions as experience) as well as the Clinton family corruptness. She will not gain anyone elses votes so whatever she currently has is her high water mark.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:53:38 GMT

This si the story about Hillary Clinton sending a plant to the debate last night.......

It turns out that Keith Kerr, retired Colonel., U.S. Army; retired Brigadier General, California National Reserve, who submitted a YouTube question about gays in the military, is actually a member of Hillary Clinton's Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transexual Americans For Hillary Steering Committee. He's also part of a film production crew trying overturn the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy.

UPDATE: In the final seconds of the post-debate coverage, Anderson Cooper acknowledges that CNN messed this up and states that CNN did not know that Kerr has a position within the Clinton campaign and that had they known, they would have disclosed the association.

they are not called the Clinton news network for nothing.......

doesn't that woman have any shame?....

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JJ Jax, FL — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:59:54 GMT

BILL C., COULD YOU PLEASE STOP ADVERTISING!!? STUFF LIKE THAT MAKES PEOPLE VOTE AGAINST HER!!!

(Hmmm...if that's the case, nevermind Bill C., keep doin' what you're doin', heh-heh)

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Sean, Boston — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:59:59 GMT

Huckabee is going to end up with the nomination.

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Uncle Ruppert, Orlando, FL — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:02:44 GMT

Mike could get some free publicity if his campaign co-ordinators are allowed to use the "Bee Movie" for endorsements. ;o)

Just a little levity but, Mr. Huckabee uses his religious background effectively without going overboard. He certainly CANNOT be compared to Jorge Bush.

He may just wind up being the GOP candidate and hopefully, will expose Hillary and her crowd for the Left-Wing Socialist tactics which she will bring to the WH.

However, never underestimate the stupidity of people in groups as the Democrats may fuse Hillary Rodham Clinton with the Rock Star "Barack Hussein Obama" as their 2008 ticket.

If that happens and these two are elected, all I can say is God Help the United States and I'm leaving.

The North American Union will become a reality and we'll be speaking Spanish as our main language within 20 years, with English frowned upon.

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Sean, Boston — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:04:27 GMT

Former NYC in NC,Charlotte,NC: even without counting experience as first lady (and to say that she wasn't actively involved/engaged in his administration is a joke)her experience in the Senate is more than we can say for some of the other candidates. One could say "The only thing I hear from people of all races and economic classes is that they don't know who there voting for but they are sure it won't be [[insert candidate's name here]]" for any of them, so let's not think it is just Hillary. They all are pieces of work in their own way.

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Desperate, Overland Park KS — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:04:56 GMT

To Es...
Can you all just please drop your defenses for the Bible. I'm getting tired of taking you all out to the woodshed and hammering you. Listen you have the freedom to believe whatever delusions you want, just don't talk about it or the rest of us will assume you are delusional.
Es, your points make little to no sense, what's all the crap about Lincoln and Washington. How many times do the HISTORIANS HAVE TO REMIND YOU THAT OUR FOUNDING FATHERS WERE DEISTS who did not believe in a personal God. For chrissakes Thomas Jefferson wrote his own Bible.
Christians will not be allowed to claim and destroy our country. So just stop bringing religion up, lest every message board should turn into a holy war. Your religion is your religion, but none of us care and we will not let you lay claim to our great secular nation, which it always has been and always will be.

Go live with the Taliban or in Iran and execute gays like the Bible says to do if you are such a defender of delusions. Mind you Leviticus does not say a man and another man should not be allowed to get married, it says that men who lay with other men should be condemned to death. Yea, you're right religious books are a key skill in understanding human kind, or maybe better put understanding how human kind devolves into animals without logic.

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Siegfried, Central Illinois — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:04:57 GMT

"Planting" is an issue if the goal is to ask your own person a question allowing them to answer the question they want to answer. I imagine all the campaigns have ensured that the questions they want to ask their opponents are beign submitted.

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pat huntington ny — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:07:11 GMT

Former NYC in NC,Charlotte,NC (Sent Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:53 AM
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of course that's what you hear, you live in NC. here in ny, people are going to vote for her.

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Molly, Iowa City — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:07:22 GMT

So far Senator Biden is the only candidate to have been endorsed by a newspaper. The DI (University of Iowa Student newspaper) endorsement is below, it is the second newspaper endorsement Biden has received. If you are keeping score that would be Biden 2, every one else 0!

By: Kathleen Watson - The Daily Iowan

Posted: 11/29/07

The Iowa Caucus matters.

The rest of the country looks closely at the winners in Iowa. I'd like to see national attention given to issues that matter to Americans rather than focus on polls, fundraising, or "gotcha" moments. Iowans need to support candidates with real experience, look past the media-friendly superstar candidates, and focus on leadership. That's why next month I'll change my
registration from independent to Democrat for the first time in my life and caucus for Sen. Joe Biden.

If you've watched any Democratic debates, you may have felt like you were watching reruns of The Hillary Show. That's not a knock against Hillary, that's directed toward all the front-runners, who waste my time badmouthing George W. Bush and trying to discredit others on the stage, rather than stating their positions.

In the few short minutes Biden is given in each debate, he speaks truth to power. On the question of banning the contaminated products from China, his
point was: If the toys were made in Morocco, they'd be banned already. He's right - this issue has everything to do with our relationship with China. As the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, he seems to be the only candidate who understands how our complex foreign relationships influence our domestic policy.

He has a responsible solution to end the war in Iraq and slices through the partisan rhetoric of "cut and run" or "stay the course." The Biden-Gelb Plan
(as he refers to it) separates Iraq into regions and draws down troops responsibly. It allows for breathing room to curb the sectarian violence while the country rebuilds. He stands behind his word to support the troops.

In a recent visit to Iowa City, the senator spoke of the myth that the country is divided into "red states" and "blue states." I couldn't agree more. I think back to the days after 9/11 and how proud I was to be an
American. I was shocked by the terrorist attacks and frightened by the anti-American sentiment that fueled them, but I was proud of my country and how we came together. We all wanted to be part of the solution. People stood in line to give their blood; some traveled for miles to volunteer. We were proud to be Americans, and we were determined to prove that we wouldn't let the terrorists win.

Where are we now? Our president was elected with 50.7 percent of the vote, the Democratic majority in the Senate is 51 percent, the House is roughly 54 percent, and Supreme Court rulings are increasingly made by 5-4 decisions. How do we benefit from having this country so narrowly divided? We don't, politicians do. Their focus is on winning, which only requires 51 percent, but it doesn't unite the country when 49 percent of us lose.

We're the same country we were on 9/11. Americans may not approve of the Bush administration, but a disagreement doesn't change who we are and what
we value. We have the same values we had after the World Trade Center fell and before the Iraq war began. What's changed is the fierce partisanship that now divides the nation.

Biden gets past the partisanship. His message resonates with independents such as myself who are tired of political games, and ready for solutions.
I've been called naive for my faith in a candidate who hasn't raised enough money to be considered a "front-runner." I've been told that I'm wasting my
vote. In my view, if you support someone because you think they have the money or personal connections to win, you're doing more harm than good. George W. Bush had connections and raised record-breaking amounts of money. The ability to win an election doesn't make a good candidate into an effective president, it only helps the political party, not the country.

After the caucuses and primaries, we'll watch debates between two nominees. The Democratic front-runners can't win a debate with each other - how will
they beat a Republican? The knowledge, leadership, and intellectual honesty of Joe Biden stand out in every debate, and I'm confident that he can run circles around a Republican opponent.

Regardless of which candidate you support, I hope everyone will join me in 35 days and caucus for a candidate he or she believes in. Change begins on
college campuses; take this opportunity and caucus. Let's prove that we're not all naive college students; we're future leaders, future professionals,
and future parents. Let's stand together in the Iowa caucus, and begin to stand together as a country.

E-mail DI columnist Kathleen Watson at Kathleen-watson@uiowa.edu.

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Undecided Joe in America, Heartland, USA — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:10:38 GMT

The following is the statistical data I collected from the debate. Feel free to analyze it as it suits you.

The first category is FACE-TIME for each candidate
(actual min/secs speaking on camera) and that percentage compared to the other candidates in the “debate”.

Tancredo 3 min 45 secs ( 4.60%)
Hunter 4 min ( 4.90%)
Huckabee 8 min ( 9.85%)
Paul 8 min 30 secs (10.46%)
Thompson 11 min (13.54%)
McCain 12 min (14.76%)
Romney 14 min 15 secs (17.54%)
Guiliani 19 min 45 secs (24.30%)

Opportunities given to speak- (both Granted & Taken)
(D=Direct questions/R=Responses/I=Interruptions)

Tancredo D=6 R=0 I=1 (7.5%)
Hunter D=6 R=0 I=0 (6.5%)
Huckabee D=10 R=1 I=0 (11.5%)
Paul D=7 R=2 I=0 (9.5%)
Thompson D=11 R=2 I=0 (11.5%)
McCain D=10 R=4 I=1 (12.5%)
Romney D=12 R=4 I=2 (18.5%)
Guiliani D=14 R=6 I=2 (22.5%)

Hopefully the future debates will allow all candidates equal time to speak on the issues that are relevant to the citizens, not who can spin the most rhetoric.

I would like to state one opinion on last night's event, however. The 30 second personal attack make by Sen. John McCain towards Congressman Ron Paul was
an embarrassment to the Republican Party and this country.

There is no excuse for his behavior.
And it is quite apparently shown in the lack of support for his candidacy.

He may want to reconsider who he picks a fight with next time.

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MIke RC, Rockwall, Texas — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:14:25 GMT

Re: Bill Hamlin from Rochester, New York

The position of Jesus Christ relative to capital punishment is quite clear. When the religious leaders wanted to stone the adulterous woman to death, Jesus said something to the effect of let he who is without sin cast the first stone. When none of the religious leaders threw a stone (and thus did not condemn her to death), Jesus also refrained from saying that she should be condemned for what was considered a capital offense in that society.

The context of the event and quote you reference was one about whether a follower of Christ could pay the Roman tax and still be a true follower of the faith. It had nothing to do with capital punishment.

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New York, NY — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:15:04 GMT

I don't understand how Huckabee can be passed for a conservative. He couldn't name three departments he would eliminate. He doesn't want to cut taxes - despite his aggressive rhetoric that he would eliminate IRS, he's merely replacing it with another high-tax, so-called consumption tax. His "improving" education and "reducing" poverty agendas are nothing more than euphamism for spending. He makes a lot of "feel-good" promises that are clearly intended to do opposite. No wonder CATO gave him D/F.

Now, I have to ask if Huckabee really understands why we are so adamantely against tax; or even he's a conservative.

I hate aligning myself with the Weekly Standard, but they are right that Huckabee lacks substance. Surely he's well-spoken and suave, his policy views and his record as governor in Arkansa indicates that he's a crypto-liberal.

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CitizenJ — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:22:07 GMT

Is it just me, or did anyone else hear a smattering of "boos" while the homosexual general with 42 years of service was speaking?

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:26:26 GMT

He makes off color comments that reak of sexism and immaturity against Hillary.

Immaturity Pat?

Who is the woman that cried about being picked on when she got a hard question from Tim Russert that took her two weeks and five different answers to finally say NO! Plus, cost her about 30 points in the race.

If anybody has any growing up to do, it's Hillary Clinton. bad enough she has to send a man to ask a question at the debate...Why didn't she ask the question herself?

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Independent Joe in America, Wis., USA — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:26:44 GMT

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Mike K, Denver — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:30:38 GMT

Jerry> An interesting question for you. If a gun were held to your head forcing you to vote for a Democrat in the election, which would you vote for?

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Stu, Saginaw, MI — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:31:01 GMT

Bee;

I agree with Van: Your grammer is nearly as bad as are your outlandish political ruminations.

Try some proper English, grammer and punctuation for a change!! It's enough that we get exposed to your idiotic political drivel without also having to put up with your lousy and inept attempts to use the English language.

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B. Federer, Trenton, N.J. — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:35:33 GMT

It is very interesting you mention a McCain-Huckabee ticket. I am wondering if this is not considered seriously at this very time.

This could make sense if the Hillary campaign shows more signs of vulnerability, which is very questioning considering the momentum she had at the beginning of the run. Money (...a big fat lot of it), favorable attention from the media and a big part of the public, she was already in the White House. Many seem to still see her as the inevitable winner in 2008, and I think that this is responsible for some resilience instead of a lot of deceptions lately. Obama seems to really believes in his chances and that is another sign, add the Ophra willingness to go in and you got a strange picture.

So now the question is less about who could face (and have a little chance to compete with) Hillary... There I can see why Giuliani is stuck to the ground, struggling and him also showing signs of doubts. His « challenge Hillary » ability was a big argument for him, ... As for his engagement to propose strict constitutionalist for the SC, ...Robertson did not convince and seemed in foreign land at Rudy's side. What does remain: though! On defense, on crime, on terrorism, ...

That's where McCain is a wild card. I think that there is not an American, and particularly an American soldier who does not think at the bottom of his heart that McCain paid the price for this country...! He is no Kerry, he is no National Guard vacationer Bush... He showed what he is made of and even Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi (and all the SF/SP values people O'Reilly could lament on ...) will show respect to John McCain. Moreover, he showed a good capability at « reaching across » and making things work. Everybody knows that he is well aware of the consequences of the decisions he would make about defense at least. He was loyal to the Bush administration mostly; still everybody knew he was no Dubbya. So while anybody could be interested more in other candidates for immediate reason, nobody is insensible to John McCain. Who could not vote for him anytime? That's the real question...

A vote for McCain is a vote to express consideration for the present sacrifice of the young soldier. A vote for McCain is a vote for pragmatism, high moral values but also consideration for dissents and even enemies. A vote for McCain is a vote for life as it is, precious anyway. ...and he has already Brownback's endorsement.

Giuliani, and eventually Hillary's take at the White House, are based on a division in the Evangelical vote. Those are now sharing their support to various candidates, in the two parties incidentally. Bring Huckabee in the deal, a small town boy with small people in his mind, a typical evangelical himself with an affinity for Jimmy Hendricks and hunting. Well, is everybody covered?

No, evidently! The Gay movement, the pro-abortion lobbying, the fossil energy lobbing and the big corporations would find themselves on the same wagon, off the rails. Strange, those who do not represent any majority but where pulling the strings on one side or another, would find themselves out of the circle, leaving more influence to the core of the American population, moderate people with most of the Evangelical base, Dems or GOPs!

Maybe for now this is not what most American voters have in mind. But if they ever take a look at it, this could change things in less than a week, drastically, until October 2008.

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Jim, Wis., USA — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:36:36 GMT

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Kevin, Houston, Texas — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:38:17 GMT

"Romney's answer about black on black violence was one of the best answers of the night. He mentioned the father, and that in a nutshell answered where and why violence starts. Too many black kids grow up without responsible parents. That is the ONLY answer to the problem. Black society needs to take responsibility for its own actions instead of blaming the white man and republicans."

Mick...your post is typical rep biggoted nonsense. First of all I will start by saying that yes...there are too many black(and white, even though it doens't get reported) children living in single parent homes.

But you can't deny that there is huge opportunity gap in this country. Young black males are 3 times as likely to get expelled from school as their white male counterparts for the SAME OFFENSES.

The unemployment rate among African Americans with a high school degree is lower than that of Whites that are high school dropouts.

Even the conservative hero of the day(Ron Paul) openly admits that the "war on drugs" is nothing more than farce and an excuse to lock up young black males.

Your post is what I would expect from most Republicans, which is to reduce complex problems that don't have one single solution to fals "either/or" debates.

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Betsy your nurse — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:44:06 GMT

Fred, it's time to wake up now and take your pills.

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Betsy your nurse — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:44:23 GMT

Fred, it's time to wake up now and take your pills.

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Lise, Dallas, TX — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:45:43 GMT

If anyone would actually listen to Tancredo it would be immediately become apparent that he embodies all of the ideals of the Republican party. He is truly the only candidate who is consistently conservative and provides concrete solutions to the imminent threats facing our country stemming from illegal immigration. I agree with other comments that Republicans are doomed since their first tier candidates are running for the wrong party. How have we sold out to Democratic-like candidates and "values"?

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Josh C., MS. — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:48:10 GMT

Hey Pat it's me again, Josh from Hicktown, MS, yeah, I was wondering why are you so intimidated about Mike Huckabee? You get on here and talk about evolution and bible thumping (2 issues you obviously know very little about) and you think that christians are narrow-minded, WOW. About the planted questions, Gays in the military? How relevant is that? Or what about the ? on the Rebel flag? or Black voters? Are these seriously an issue? The "What would Jesus Do?" hype faded out about 7 years ago. PLANTED ?'s to make the GOP candidates look like backwoods hillbillies. AND an attempt to make the DEMS look intelligient and serious about the real issues. If they were all that intelligient they would have realized that this ploy would have recognized. Mike Huckabee WILL win!! AND then Mexico will have the immigration problem. LOL!!

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Ron NPR FL — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:49:20 GMT

Rudy admitted to the biggest flip flop of all time........You rooted for the RED SOX !!! As a Sox fan I thnak you for the support, but That flop lost you my vote.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:51:09 GMT

Ya know, I think the people who need their heads checked are those who insult those who comment here based solely on the fact that they disagree with whom they have chosen as their preferred candidate. And I am not talking only about the Hillary haters who accuse anyone posting favorable things about Hillary of being a paid operative, or stupid, or dishonest, or whatever else. I'm talking about everyone (possibly myself included at times) who takes that jump from debating the issues and the candidates to insulting the person with whom they are debating.

Isn't it time everyone grew up? If this election is as important as everyone says it is, then wouldn't our time be better served discussing the issues and the candidates, and not lashing out at each other simply because we approach things from a different perspective and have different opinions?

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vanreuter, NY NY — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:57:08 GMT

Issues;

Repubs:Immigration-They're all criminals, Build fences along all of our borders lock them up and deport all 11 million. Exception:McCain
Dems:Something a little less radical.

Repubs:Taxes-Will never raise them, NO MATTER WHAT!, Eliminate the IRS (Huck and Paul) Exception:Hunter

Dems-Pay-Go, Eliminate Bush tax cuts to the top 1%.

Repubs:Iraq-Stay as long as needed, stay until we win, Let's go back and win Viet Nam (McCain)

Dems: Let's get out of there, as soon as is logistically possible.

Repubs: Health Care-Tax credits, trust the insurance companies, emergency rooms for the uninsured and if they're undocumented, lock them up and deport them. No plan for universal health coverage for the 40 million plus currently uninsured.
Dems-Some kind of universal health care plan, with some variations in implementation.

Repubs:Right to Choose, let's turn back the clock, let's overturn Roe V Wade, let each state decide. Exception:Rudy, though he promises to appoint judges who'll overturn it.
Dems: Support a woman's right to choose.

Repubs:Economy-Everything's GREAT!!! Exception: Huck.

Dems: Different plans to deal with the sub-prime mortgage crisis and to bolster the middle class, all including rolling back the Bush tax cuts.

Repubs: Torture-All except the guy who actually WAS tortured, mum on what it is.
Dems: Waterboarding IS torture.

Repubs: Gays in the military-Don't ask don't tell, they are a detriment, they don't belong.

Dems: Don't ask Don't tell...don't work.

So, to those DEMOCRATS who say they will vote republican if their guy/gal isn't the nominee; Which REPUBLICAN shares your views? Which DEMOCRAT doesn't?

Van

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Dan, Puyallup, WA — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:57:41 GMT

Amy B,

That woman that said Edwards was half looney. If you watched her and decided she was the person to base your own decision on or felt that she even understood the debate you need to learn to read people better.

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Mike K, Denver — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:59:26 GMT

Have we sunk to voting for a president on the basis or humor, charm, and personality? What about the real issues and throw in a little intelligence and leadership qualities.
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For the correct answer to this, please see:

UNITED STATES PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION 2000, 2004.

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Joe, TX — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:59:40 GMT

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/

I'D HIT IT!

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Bill. C — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:09:15 GMT

Never mind. ok. hillaryclinton.com

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Chelse — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:10:07 GMT

It's ok to take a quick looksie..hillaryclinton.com

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cc Huntsville AL — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:10:20 GMT

From left to Right:
Tancredo -- sincere one issue candidate -- does not get enough questions to determine breadth
Huckabee -- Governor -- good performance
Romney -- Governor -- Erratic cookie-cutter pol -- Fake
Giuliani -- Narcissist authoritarian -- Very scary -- Beware
Thompson -- Low key -- decent performance -- youTube video indicates that he is going to fight
McCain -- Erractic -- No coherent platform -- Anti-Torture message sincere and well delivered
Paul -- Intriguing -- Coherent -- Handled screwball questions exceptionally well -- appears to have breadth but does not get enough questions
Hunter -- appears to be one issue candidate -- does not get enough questions to determine breadth

There seems to be a definate bias against giving Tancredo, Paul, Hunter, and to some degree Thompson enough stage time relative to the "darlings."

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Ivory Dayton, OH — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:24:06 GMT

The Republicans have no concept of the real America where white, brown, black, and red people try to cope with policies dictated by the rich ten percent, of corporate America. I listen to the debate & they are so out of step there in Bush's world. One thing they do know is to promote war and more war. The only true Republican is Ron Paul who believes in his country and the people who reside here. That crowd in Florida was so rude to him not even trying to listen to his response boo to you. There are two Americas, even John Edwards knows this and he is rich but he was poor once. Rommney comment on this was I hate it when he says that, why does he hate the truth? The rest of the pack just doesn't care one way or another. When asked what would Jesus do?(wwjd) I can tell you he would say love one another, because only he can can bring peace to mankind. Wake up you wanna be presidents it's over for you.

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Adam Wafer, Mobile, AL — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:26:36 GMT

I think more questions should be posed to candidates such as Duncan Hunter & Tom Tancredo. Alan Keyes announced his candidacy days after Fred Thompson announced his. Why hasn't he been invited to the debates. I think it because the media knows that he will blow the others out of the water.

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Mark Thieme — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:30:59 GMT

The "what would Jesus do?" question was jingoistic and quite unfair. Christian theologians cannot agree on very much about Jesus, even if he existed at all.
To ask politicians "what would Jesus do?" is ridiculous.

This, after all is a secular nation, so what does Jesus have to do with it? Or Buddha... Zoroaster?

Maybe Wolf Blitzer could ask: "All right, you have 5 seconds on the clock: What would Jesus do?

Yes or No.

Sometimes the absurdity of our electoral process is funny, and then sometimes it's just butt-ugly.

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Alexa K, Queens, New York — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:32:24 GMT

Didn't like Romney's stand on abortion
Didn't like Huckabee's response to a capital punishment issue. Isn't he the man of God?
Overall, I'll stand for the candidate who'll end the war, but in reality - the one I vote for, usually doesn't win anyway.

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Cedric, Charlotte — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:33:43 GMT

First on Romney's answer about african-americans: I thought he made a good point about the need for 2 parent homes and the unbelievably shameful stat that 7 of 10 black children are born to single parents. Interesting stat: in 1960, 75 percent of blk kids were born into 2 parent homes; an amazing 97 percent of white kids were born into such homes. today its down to 30% for blacks, 65 percent for whites. So as with nearly every societal problem, when white people get a cold, black people get pneumonia. Neither race can brag about their trends.

But here's the problem with Republicans: They disavow context. The context is slavery. Jim Crow. Making it illegal for slaves to read. KKK. Hanging. Emmitt Till being burned alive for looking at a white woman. Nooses as jokes. The Middle Passage. Half of the blacks put on slave ships died on the way. Point: I'd bet my life that if blacks had put whites on the boat, if my ancestors had only had a little gunpowder, the stage would be full of black men talking about the problems in the white community. The definition of racism is when people claim simply that "ya'll got to do better" when they don't know what they'd be like under similar circumstances and lack the humanity to put themselves in the historical shoes of others. Blacks vote Democratic, underneath it all, because Democrats the role of history in our deficiencies. If you believe that all men are created equal, then you tacitly acknowledge that environment is what makes us unequal. From the first day slaves were brought to this country, our environments have never been equal and only in the last 35 years have they even began to resemble each others. Once the Repubs. get through destroying Affirm. Act., integration initiatives and other programs which are designed as "remedies to past discrimination" (blackmon & marshall, '78 bakke decision) expect us to resegregate and regress as a country. No race-specific remedies? Well, discrimination was race-specific. How in the h-ll can you not have race-specific remedies? It's like having a cut on your leg and putting neosporin on your face.

I'd much rather have white people fess up and say they believe they're genetically superior than try to sell us the b.s. that our history has nothing to do with our current state and that we "ought to just get over it." Examine yourself- what are you saying is so much better about you that you'd be doing so much better than us given the same background? News flash: black people don't believe its just them, and saying it over and over won't convince us. It's difficult to see white people pontificate about what we ought to be doing when so many of them got what they got because of generationally accumulated wealth/inheritances and dumbing down an entire race of people so as to reduce the possible competition for jobs that makes their net worth 10 times that of the average black person.

And now, debate coverage.

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Ellen Anders, New York, New York — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:38:30 GMT

Huckabee should withdraw from the race. A religious idealogue/minister has no place in government. The President is supposed to be President of ALL of the people not just fundamentalist Christians. The U.S. functions best with a religiously neutral government based upon the separation of church and state. Government's function is not the promotion of religious belief and practice nor is its purpose the promotion of the religious agenda of one group of coreligionists. Keeping religion out of government will guarantee religious freedom for all of us, not just fundamentalist Christians (who are not even a majority in the U.S.); it will also ensure freedom for those who do not practice a religion. Huckabee is out of step with core American principles because he wants to impose his group's values and practices upon the rest of us.

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UKbound! — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:39:44 GMT

I've finally come to my senses...I'm voting Labor!

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Dot, Illinois — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:44:31 GMT

Carrie

I agree. I would much rather see discussion of issues. But, I think much of what is posted here is some of that "venting" you talked about yesterday. My guess is that many of us are frustrated about the state of politics in the US today and need a means of releasing those feelings. So, our posts reflect our feelings more than our thoughts about the issues.

But, there are many good posts too, so I give more attention to them.

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juan,ft llauderdale,fl — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:46:12 GMT

Van 12:57 blog was right on the money as was cc and Ivory.

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Mark Thieme — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:46:58 GMT

Ellen: Amen and amen!

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Al G., Tn — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:49:23 GMT

Never mind. ok. hillaryclinton.com

Bill. C

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Odd, when did the site turn into a battered womens website?

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w. ross macdowell — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:51:06 GMT

As a Canadian I cannot vote of course in the U.S. election of a President, however I take a passing interest into what's going on and follow the debates occasionally.
Not much of a difference between the two parties but I would say I lean towards the Democrats.That would change dramatically though if Mike Huckabee was the Republican nominee.He just seems the most rounded of all candidates.
In my opinion, this is your future President.

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Carol Ethington — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:52:50 GMT

Guiliani's children aren't voting for him. He's so low of character with moving his mistress, now his wife in with the last, second wife, before he married this one. Even for a Republican, he's the worst morals of anyone that is running for President. I would not vote for him for dog catcher.

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Monique — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:54:29 GMT

That is so cool. Thanks RAH. I didn't know that Obama had that on his website. I wish more candidate had factcheck on their website.

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Chris, Wood River, IL — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:57:53 GMT

I can see now why Romney backed out of the December 4th FoxNews debate in Iowa. Huckabee has passed him in the polls and absolutely schooled him last night at the debate. Very, very strong night for Huckabee. He's not afraid to be honest about his positions, even his position on children of illegals, that may not be as tough as the other candidates. Frankly, only Duncan Hunter & Tancredo have stronger immigration records, and they're irrelevant.

Huckabee has a way of giving a position that you may disagree with, but he explains his position with dignity in a way that you can at least respect. The other candidates (except for McCain) seem to want to pander and run from their past records.

I thought Romney was particularly weak on the gays in the military question. I almost laughed myself off the couch when Anderson Cooper prodded him by asking, "so do you still wish for the day that gays can serve openly in the military, as you said back in 1994?" Romney stuttered and stammered and sounded very uncomfortable.

Also, when asked if they owned any guns, Romney said, "there are two guns in my house, both belong to my son Josh." Cooper should've followed it up by asking, "so basically, you don't own a gun, but you're trying to sound like you do?"

Fred fell asleep a few times, and Rudy was a little too negative...and got booed on the gun response and the abortion response. Not a good night for either of them. Paul didn't really get the air time that he normally gets.

My take:

Huckabee: A
McCain: B+
Paul: B
Giuliani: C
Thompson: C-
Romney: D
Tancredo: N/A
Hunter: N/A

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Loren Johnson — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:59:49 GMT

Bill says: Hillary spent a year after graduation working on a children's rights project for poor kids.
The facts are: Hillary interned with Bob Truehaft, the head of the California Communist Party. She met Bob when he represented the Panthers and traveled all the way to San Francisco to take an internship with him.

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Mark Thieme — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:02:04 GMT

Ellen:

It is baffling to me that America, founded and rooted in freedom from religious tyranny, continues to demand some sort of Christian commitment of its leaders.

We have millions of Jews in this country... they don't care much wjwd... and why should they?

We have Muslims, Buddhists, every religious flavor under the sun... we have people who want nothing to do with religious faith and have that sacred American right.

Once again, what does Jesus have to do with it?

There is not one mention of Jesus in the founding documents... the founders generally subscribed to some form of Christianity, but most were more bound to the principles of the European Enlightenment than anything that resembles a camp meeting in Arkansas.

Most of our population would not recognize Jesus in an Arkansas camp meeting. So what's up with Jesus?

Let's elect a competent patriot first and and leave the religion business to pat Robertson and Oral Roberts, Jr.

Deliver us from religious tyrants in the White House.

May it be so.

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Mark Thieme — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:12:45 GMT

Cedric: Spot on. Again.

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C Lacy Manchester Tennessee — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:13:39 GMT

I believe Mike Huckabee to be the most honest and sincere canidate on the republican ticket and if nominated he will get my vote Huckabee and McCain would make a great ticket

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Bee — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:15:57 GMT

After watching the republican debate last night the choices are pretty clear for average voters to select from. Romney has no clue on foreign policy; Giuliani is all about NY and war; McCain and Huckabee are good alternative to Hillary Clinton.

The greatest mistake Democrats can make is to select Hillary Clinton as their nominee. I know some of the Clinton’s machine will slam me on this issue; however, I like what I see on Mike Huckabee. I think he is a decent alternative to Hillary Clinton should democrats present her as their nominee.

I am going to cast my vote for Obama come January 8, 2008 but if Hillary end up winning, which it is highly unlikely, Huckabee won’t be a bad idea.

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Chad, Phoenix AZ — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:16:47 GMT

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Mike, Hermosa Beach, CA — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:20:31 GMT

This debate boosted (unfortunately) Huckabee and (fortunately) Paul, but did little to nothing for the rest...

http://truthalert.net/Republican%20Presidential%20Candidate%20Rankings.htm

I disagree with his hawkish war position but appreciate Tancredo being very candid. It's nice that his presence has forced some others (Ron Paul was already there) to move toward him on immigration.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:22:11 GMT

Dot: If you get to the point where you crave serious debate rather than insults, please come check out www.civildiscourse.com. It's a great site - substantive discussions, no name-calling, and your replies show up instantly! It's a smaller community than Firs Read, but I think it is growing. :)

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Mike, Hemosa Beach, CA — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:24:21 GMT

"Shadow, Hamden, CT", your debate analysis is really sharp. Kudos.

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Chris A, Joes, CO — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:32:15 GMT

I am all for a President who has the moral fiber to bring our nation back to honesty and who will promote a strong family oriented nation. Our forefathers used the Motto One Nation Under God for good reasons. Lets give Huckabee a chance. McCain would be a great VP with his strong Military experience.

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Dot, Illinois — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:40:01 GMT

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vanreuter, NY NY — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:41:00 GMT

"WASHINGTON (AP) — Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton was endorsed for president Thursday by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., an environmental activist and scion of one of the nation's most prominent political families.

"Hillary Clinton has the strength and experience to bring the war in Iraq to an end and reverse the potentially devastating effects of global warming," Kennedy said in a statement released by Clinton's campaign. "I watched proudly as Hillary won over New Yorkers across the state in her race for the Senate seat my father once held. Since then, she's been re-elected in a landslide victory and proven that she is ready to lead this nation from her first day in office. Hillary will inspire the real change America needs."

Kennedy's father, Robert F. Kennedy, was a New York senator and candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination when he was assassinated in 1968."

They called his dad a, "carpetbagger", and claimed he wanted office and power for those reasons alone, and that he had nothing but a famous name to recommend him. History has proven those claims to be false and those who made them to be fools.
It is entirely appropriate and fitting that the son of Robert F. Kennedy, (one of my personal heroes) should endorse Hillary Clinton.

Van

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Josh C. MS — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:45:24 GMT

Ellen, when did being a Christian disqualify someone from running for president? It's the same as me saying that Hillary should get out because she's a women. I would be slammed for being sexist. Or Obama should get out because he's black. Now i am racist. or paul and kucinich because they're a couple of freak wacko's. Now i am wacko-phob. Please come up with a more respectable argument against a candidate. Under those pretenses you would not have elected anyone of the first presidents. Christians can be great presidents. Get that Christo-phob taste out of your mouth and drink from the living water. Whatever gave you the idea that a Christian president would make everyone pray to God or force Christianity? Last I checked we live in a free country. And You may have the wrong assumption about Christianity and you don't have the authority to someone they can't run for office.

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Bee — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:47:12 GMT

I believe Mike Huckabee to be the most honest and sincere canidate on the republican ticket and if nominated he will get my vote Huckabee and McCain would make a great ticket

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As a hard core Obama supporter, I’ll vote for Huckabee and McCain ticket if the democrats nominate Billary Clinton

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J. Evans, La Grande, OR — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:47:45 GMT

It's definitely time to keep eyes open and check on what these guys really want for America. While it is easy to get caught up in all the stir and hoopla over Huckabee and to hop onto his bandwagon, I would echo an earlier comment about religious fundamentalism, and add that I believe it has no place in the development of policies in our government. After eight years of having a president whose logic and reasoning skills are clouded by religious fundamentalism, we should know better than to continue on that path, for four or maybe eight more years.

People who are active in attempting to hasten "Armageddon" do not belong in the White House.
If we are truly a nation of laws, we need to elect somebody who will uphold our Constitution and work to preserve and protects our rights and our liberties. Bush has not done this. We also need to determine whether or not the fundamentalist is a Christian reconstructivist. Google "Gary North" for a good start on learning what those people are all about. In my opinion, someone who would want to replace the Constitution with the Bible is not someone we should want running our country.

I support the rights of any American to practice whatever religion they choose. That includes the president, and presidential candidates. I also know that our founding fathers did not found our country as a "Christian nation". That runs contrary to the myth which most religious conservatives tend to believe and spread. Our founders were not evangelical Christians, they were for the most part deists. They designed our country so that it would not sponsor a state religion, and so that religious influences would not unduly be a part of governance. Our Constitution, particularly after our enduring eight years of an administration that makes continual end runs around it, is what I believe we need to work to preserve and protect, to insure the liberties and rights of ALL Americans... not just those who adhere to a Christian fundamentalist belief system.

So before we get all excited about Huckabee, do we really know what his agenda is? Tough questions need to be asked of him. It's all good and fine that he has Southern charm, that he has a sense of humor and that he can play rock and roll music. But would he be able to honestly vow to uphold the Constitution? Some say he portrays himself as sincere. How sincere will he look when he is asked tough questions about how directly his fundamentalist Christian beliefs will affect his decisions on foreign and domestic policy?

I think I already know what Giuliani would do as president, at least re. the Middle East. One of his closest advisors, the neoconservative Podhoretz, is telling him we need to bomb Iran. Rudy would continue the ongoing Bush/Cheney power grab, adding as much more unconstitutional power as he possible could to the office of president, and continuing the use of torture (contrary to international treaties and the Geneva Convention, which according to the Constitution are the law of the land). Illegal wiretapping would continue, and possibly would increase. All of those aformentioned items are impeachable offenses, and Congress has not done its job in challenging Bush/Cheney enough on those issues. Given this bad precendent on the part of Congress, Giuliani would believe himself to be like a kid in a candy store. At any rate, people who want something different from what we have had the last four years certainly won't want Giuliani.

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Clint Wilder, Montrose, CO — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:58:32 GMT

I love the fact that goofy issues are brought up by viewers. They might as well asked them to pledge to build a bridge to (mars)nowhere, personally round up every (hispanic) illegal alien (not those cutting the grass at Mitt's), hand out free guns (two per in NYC), and only interrorgate (waterboard)the really bad guys. Please, somebody tell me that these were not the real questions we wanted to ask these guys. What does it take to get straight answers to real questions. I'd like to have seen one candidate that wasn't a liar, a cheater, or an idiot. Oh wait, there was......RON PAUL. I must admit these other guys don't get it. Good Luck, I'm surfing over to get a Ron Paul sign for my front yard. Maybe that will serve as "blood above my door post".

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Pete PeReu, New Orleans — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:09:30 GMT

Josh C., MS:

Ellen, when did being a Christian disqualify someone from running for president?

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It doesn't disqualify you. Some people though are just bigoted.

If you want to vote for a religious agnostic, then vote for Hillary Clinton. She shows up at church every once in a while, but everyone knows she really doesn't mean it.

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Cedric, Charlotte — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:10:28 GMT

Giuliani looked rather bad accusing Romney on the immigration thing. I thought it was his worst moment of all the debates. Romney won that round. However, he was totally blasted by McCain on the torture issue, and Huckabee ate him up on the scholarship for the children of illegal immigrants issue- am I right, or aren't these kids techically US citizens? I know it's a loophole, but I got the feeling Romney didn't even believe what he was arguing. Romney's best moment was that opening Giuliani fight- after that he got blitzed on torture, where he just sounded bad. Neither he or Giuliani have legs to stand on with hardliners in the Republican party on immigration. Last night highlighted more than ever how amazing it would be if either of them got the nomination. Did anyone hear Giuliani's gun answer? In the end it was ok by 2nd amendment worshipper standards, but he certainly was quite lawerly in his answer. I thought Thompson did a good job of pointing out Giuliani's Clintonesque gun policies as mayor.

On immigration, I'm with Huckabee and McCain- let's shut the border down once and for all. Then fine the illegals here and put them at the back of the line for citizenship, pay back taxes- but you get to stay. Everyone keeps bitching about amnesty, but i've seen no scenarios under which anything harsher than what McCain and Huck have proposed are actually workable in my opinion.

I thought McCain had the Ron Paul moment Giuliani normally gets, but I wonder if it's true that more active duty military contribute to Paul than other candidate. Haven't seen verification of that, but that would be interesting.

Thompson's really grown on me. He can't win- he's too old-looking and unexciting (which shouldn't be disqualifiers, but they are). He too hit Romney on abortion, though I thought the other Romney highlight of the night was him saying "I was just wrong" on abortion: no spin. However, he had a harder time w/ the gays in the military question. He said he didn't think it would work, but really we know he was straight up against don't ask don't tell.

Huckabee's answer on the death penalty was good: I'm pro-innocent life and have no pity for convicted murderers. Not controversial in my view. Jesus could be quoted on both sides of this issue, as others have pointed out here. Besides, more and more Christians increasingly claim Christianity while blatantly ignoring New Testament condemnation of homosexuality, so if it's good for the Democrat Christians, let the Republicans have a blasphemous moment.

BTW- all of the Dem frontrunners are Christians. Are they "Bible thumpers?" Are they not Bible thumpers because their beliefs on certain issues clearly contradict the Bible and God, which so many people hate (at least on msnbc message boards?) Once and for all- you can't separate church and state as long as people running the state go to church. How many atheists love this country enough to run, or do they sit back and watch the dumb God-fearing people go off and die protecting their right to be Godless? If Godlessness is so right and so popular, where are the atheists in public service?

Having said that I'm not a big fan of Huckabee's commercial w/ the words "christian leader" in it. I know it appeals to religious Iowans but I think it would've been a little better had it said "baptist minister," or maybe nothing at all. I was on Huckabee's website the other day and an atheist was there w/ a YouTube link to a video about why he was supporting Huckabee, and he made the point, and I seconded his notion, that policy stances which are sensible could sway anyone to anyone's campaign, regardless of religious stance. Those of us who like Huck because he's Christian should keep in mind that some people are Presidents, and some people are Pastors, but rarely have the two been found in one person. Still love the guy though. I have a dream that one day white conservatives will drop some of their unchristian xenophobia and callousness and join with afr. americans of faith and moderate environmentalists to embrace a holistic Christian platform. The R party is doomed to indefinite irrelevance if it doesn't make the tent bigger, as Huckabee has pointed out. He even said he'd welcome the Log Cabin Repb. endorsement- I am proud of him for saying so. We don't all need to agree to respect each other's views, and that goes for any and everything...

Duncan Hunter's inability to gain some traction surprises me...Tancredo is passionate and smart but too far out in right field... and both of these guys attended a debate w/ Tavis Smiley at a historically black college and consistently refused to answer questions "based on race" when the inevitably bad statistics about blacks were included in the questions... though I give them credit for at least showing up. Though he disappointed me I think a McCain/Huckabee ticket would be the best thing the R's could field at this point. R's have to decide whether they want to hold on to ideas which only appeal to a slowly dwindling constituency, or modernize in a moderate, principled way.

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Wisconsin Quilter — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:17:29 GMT

The CNN (Clinton News Media)supposed "debate" last night was a complete DISGUSTINGLY BIASED show to completely ridicule any Republican candidate....and even during the Democratic one (ie. snowman). CNN/You Tube has wasted 2+ hours of time that completely lacked any substance of what the candidates stand for. It is so completely clear that CNN is completely biased towards a Democrat (Hillary) that this was a fiasco (ie.the beginning guitar song). CNN chose NO question of any substance such as economy, immigration, Iraq, health care, child health care, etc.........NO question of any importance .
CNN also did not disclose any of the "plants" from the Clinton, Obama, Edwards activists as they were allowed to ask the stupid questions of little/NO importance. Within minutes/seconds bloggers were quick to Google the names of the questioners to find that they were affiliated with Democratic campaigns. CNN is playing "innocent"....."we didn't know" excuse because they've been caught AGAIN with their bias. Same as with the last Democratic debate when it was clear that Wolf Blitzer & CNN set that up as a bias FOR HILLARY. There was NO excuse for allowing Obama and Edwards to be continuously booed by the set-up Clinton audience just because they were rebutting Hillary. She certainly dishes it out but she can't take it...she needed CNN to back her by the biased audience to get at Obama & Edwards.
CNN ..... what a SORRY EXCUSE for unbiased media coverage.

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Gary, Franklin, WI — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:18:22 GMT

To: FormerNYC in NC,Charlotte,NC

Tancredo to Mars would be a better choice, and send Cheney with him!

Actually, (1) send Tancredo to Mexico, keep his identity papers, and shoot him trying to cross the fence and (2) impeach Cheney.

To: Shadow, Hamden, CT

One Democratic voter's take about the YouTube debate:

Paul: A- on style; A- on substance
Huckabee: A on style; B+ on substance
Thompson: C on style; C+ on substance
Giuliani: C+ on style; C on substance
McCain: C- on style; C- on substance
Romney: D on style; D on substance
Hunter: D- on style; D- on substance
Tancredo: F on style; Incomplete on substance

To: pat huntington ny

Like you, Huckabee worries me. If he were the GOP nominee, and was actually elected, after 7 years (1) all women capable of bearing a child would be at home barefoot and pregnant, (2) science in the schools would have been replaced by creationism, and (3) state-sanctioned prayer would be everywhere.

Last time the nation voted for the guy they wanted to have a beer with, and look where that left us. Why do I get the feeling that voting for the guy some would like to pray with would lead to the same end result?

God has a great sense of humor!

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Mike K, Denver — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:24:35 GMT

Even as A democrat, I was disappointed in the approach CNN took in this debate. They chose to present questions about abortion, guns, the confederate flag and countless others that are not top concerns with voters. There was no discussion on health care, job creation, alternative energy and minimal discussion on Iraq and Iran. I find it interesting that Chuck Todd and Co. keep making references to biased media coverage of candidates when their own network makes it a point to bash Hillary each hour of the day (ie: Tucker and Matthews). Criticism of candidates is fine, but MSNBC should apply a similar amount of criticism to all the candidates, instead of giving some a completely free ride (ie: media darling Obama).
Chad, Phoenix AZ
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And by "bashing Clinton hour after hour" the Clinton supporters mean push her, her campaign staff, and supporters to actually answer important policy questions without slamming Obama, without slamming Bush, and allowing the American people to make an informed decision about her legitimacy as a candidate for something other than her last name.

This has been a service of Mike K, to inform the masses what a Clinton supporter means when they bash the MSM for "bashing" their candidate and supreme deity.

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martytheman — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:25:34 GMT

Huckabee Looked Like the tippical Religous Waco who want's to give Amnesty to all the illegals because if he was gonna let there kids stay then that means there families stay and for each kid that could mean up to 10 more illlegals His questions were all soft he a goofball he may have the blacks in arkansas vote for him that's a definate deal breaker too me thats like electing marion barry or david dinkins or william jefferson they have no clue fooled by a sweet talking snake oil salesman

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Paul Christian, Bedford,In. — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:25:54 GMT

Hukabee/McCain ticket- the only way to beat Hillary.
Pittiful showing for the EAST coast slicks. Wake up America, get someone in office with common sense and a brain. Sorry George, we're sick to death of all your bullshit.

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getcher Boise, Idaho — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:27:03 GMT

The way I see it, Huckabee is the only one who is being honest about his views. More than that, he has experience working with people from both sides of the aisle and getting stuff accomplished. Whether you agree with his religious persuasion or not is not the point, he is geniunely working to change the stalemates that all the other Washington beaurocrats are unwilling to deal with. They are too afraid of losing the big bucks that big business is forking their way.

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Mike K, Denver — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:27:28 GMT

Why were the Bible and "What Would Jesus Do" even matters of discussion at the debate? These are subjects for religious or philosphical forums, not political debates. Did they deal so efficiently with the war in Iraq, the economy, education, health care, immigration, social security, etc.that they had so much time left for religious discussions?

Dot, Illinois
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Pandering to the religious nut jobs that gave us the previous 8 years of war mongering, record deficits, and the complete annihilation of the middle class.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:29:30 GMT

I am going to cast my vote for Obama come January 8, 2008 but if Hillary end up winning, which it is highly unlikely, Huckabee won’t be a bad idea.

Bee (Sent Thursday, November 29, 2007 2:15 PM)

Er, Bee? You are aware of how different Huckabee and Obama are in terms of policy and philosphy, right? I find it rather odd that someone who would vote for Obama would even consider voting for Huckabee.

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Mark Thieme — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:31:32 GMT

Hilary Clinton is no Robert Kennedy.

Not even close.

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Cedric, Charlotte — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:36:44 GMT

Mark-

Thank you. I've posted something you'll probably take issue with, but I always enjoy hearing your view.

Obviously I agree w/ the person who's a little put off by all the concern about Republican christians, and so little about the Dem christians who to me don't support gay marriage because of their religion, and yet they don't catch nearly as much flak about being religious. Again- all the Dems believe in God too- let's hear them get castigated if it's such a sin (pun intended.)

I like the grade school evaluations. Mine:

Huckabee- A- (good answers, and as far as fred's t.'s charges go, if higher taxes result in the biggest education and transportation improvements in a state's history, might it be worth it? never understood this fiscal conservatism thing fully- govt. spends money, it should just spend wisely and morally.. tax me if I like what i'm being taxed for) And 48% of the blk vote in Ark? Read: good guy but tough row to hoe ahead, too moderate and open minded for the "hardcore" conservatives.

Thompson: B+ (boring but solid. loved his honesty on the Confed. flag issue, being a Southern boy. Would've like to have heard McCain on the issue, who flip flopped a bit on it 2000, and infamously voted against the MLK holiday in '83 before he voted for it a couple yrs later...)

Romney: C- (already posted my issues w/ his performance)

Giuliani: C (Dems will eat him up on the race issue if he gets to the general. Look up Patrick Dourismond's shooting, the Diallo case... and compare Bloomberg's response to the Bell shooting a few mos. ago...I applaud what he did for crime but he had a horrible relationship w/ minorities in New York. But he's a smart S.O.B. and very formidable, esp. against Ms. Clinton)

Tancredo: C (not much to evaluate, thankfully. smart guy but he's the kucinich of the R's... btw, i like kucinich, couldn't vote for him but i admire him)

Hunter: B (solid, but boring. Great point about dude tossing that gun in that video tho)

Paul: A (smart guy- you might disagree w/ him but I see his points. wouldn't vote for him but i wish he'd go third party... I want to see a 3 way debate in the Gen. elec., would be fun)

McCain: A (love him. he is what he is, boring, dependable, honest. would love to hear more about hsi domestic policy-he's so into nat. security he'd benefit from a Huckabee as VP, as he basically acknowledged)

ok, so I lean towards Huck over McCain since he attended the Smiley debate but there's a good chance I vote Dem this year since I'd only consider voting for Huck or McCain on the R side and they may be too moderate to get the nomination. on the other side, I'd vote for Edwards, Hill (yeah, i know, but i would), Obama, and Biden (best o' the bunch.) we'll see what happens.

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Ian Repley, Ann Arbor — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:38:17 GMT

Day by day, increasingly, Mike Huckabee is what Leadership looks like ( http://snipr.com/leaderlook ). He's an adroit public speaker; he's all about calling his listeners to "do something," to awaken them to their own empowerment, and summon them to action in order that "Main Street," and not "Wall Street," will prevail in guarding the values and beliefs upon which the Republic was founded.

Huckabee puts his listeners at ease, and reassures them, articulating clear concepts in a natural, easy style (no doubt something well-cultivated as a pastor). He’s not as “mechanically-scripted” as Romney, nor angry or demanding, like a Ron Paul, and his large brown eyes, peering through a humble demeanor, draw a striking contrast to a unconvincing, tired-looking Thompson. One can easily imagine sitting comfortably with Mike over a cup of coffee at the Main Street Cafe.

Most importantly, Huckabee is ONE with the FairTax grassroots movement ( http://snipr.com/fthuckabeeonirs ). Romney's recent WEAK response to FairTax questioning on “This Week with Geo. Stephanopoulos ( http://snipurl.com/stephanopoulosdebate )” drew a sharp contrast between Huckabee and all other presidential front-runners who will not embrace it. Huckabee understands that what''s wrong with the income tax can''t be fixed with "a tap of the hammer, nor a twist of the screwdriver." That his opponents cling to the destructive Tax Code, the IRS, preserving political power of granting tax favors at continued cost to - and misery of - American families, invigorates his campaign''s raison d''etre. “Main Street” will have to demand ( http://snipr.com/scrapthecode ) that their legislators deliver the bill to Huckabee, if elected.

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Paul Bushay, Mesa, AZ — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:50:27 GMT

Go Mike Go! We need a man like this in the White House! George W. Bush is a GOOD president, he was a victim of circumstance (9/11) and he did THE RIGHT THING!!!

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:59:20 GMT

Mike K, I would be very happy if Obama supporters on First Read didn't slam, bash, insult, etc. everyone who dares say a positive word about Hillary Clinton.

If you want to talk about people who have god-like adulation for their preferred candidate, look no further than many of those who support Obama. It would be easier to unify the warring factions of Iraq than it would be to get most Obama supporters on First Read to admit ANYTHING he has said or done at any point in his entire life was not good is. No matter what, Obama is good and Hillary is bad. Period, end of story.

At least Hillary supporters recognize that she is a human being. I really like Hillary, but I know that she has faults as a person and as a candidate. But guess what? So does EVERYONE. Not a single person, Obama included, is perfect.

When that pedestal falls, it is going to fall hard. Thank God I won't be standing underneath it. Good luck to those of you who are.

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docrock,tx — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:03:18 GMT

After a careful reading of the Constitution and all of the ammendments,there is not ONE mention of gauranteed obeyance to lobbyists.As far as I can figure,there are nearly 60 lobbyists for each elected official.D.C. has become a stagnant cesspool of greed and power.I will vote for ANYONE that will promise to remove the special interest groups and lobbyists that daily rape our country from Washington.Youthink you matter?Try to speak to your Rep. personally.

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Jan Toledo OH — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:06:07 GMT

How can you plant a question when they had 1000's of questions? Get real.

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jeanne — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:10:05 GMT

truth is the general was a plant that asked the gay's in the military question and if bill bennet hadn't brought it to america's attention cnn would never have admited it big surprise there huh?

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Aaron, Plano, Texas — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:13:23 GMT

President of the United States - Mike Huckabee

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Nick C — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:20:51 GMT

Romney was plastic and fake. He was unable to answer questions confidently and it said something about his character. When the question was too difficult for him, he would recite some script. When asked to articulate it, he would simply repeat it. His policy seemed to be "ask someone else's advice" This is not the behaviour of a leader.

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Dean Spooner, Henderson, KY — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:21:19 GMT

Seems to be a lot of HATE, bigotry & jealousy comments coming in from Democrat supporters. Hah! I prefer more emotionally mature and well thought out answers. Hucakabee is more than a factor. He is the candidate and the news story, which soon will not be able to be ignored - even though most Media types want to.

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bck, brunswick ohio — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:21:45 GMT

<<<At least Hillary supporters recognize that she is a human being.>>>

You sure about that? What about her tail?

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Mark Thieme — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:26:17 GMT

Cedric,

Once again we agree on most things.

I like Huckabee because I think he is a mature and thoughtful man. He has run a state and knows how to manage.

The rest of the republicans scare me on character issues in one way or another.

I want out of this war, I want to make sure we don't blow ourselves or anyone else up with our saber-rattling (from draft dodgers no less!).

I want a Democrat so bad I would support any running. I have a commitment to Obama through the primaries and then it is open season.

Joe Biden would be high on the list, but one way or another, I think it is going to take a Democrat to begin to dig us out of this catastrophic mess Bushco has left us with.

About Christianity and the White House... it's a nice sentiment for those who are of the flavor represented, but it is unnecessary for the President to be religious, and if so it's best if she/he practices it in her/his behavior without a lot of pontification.

Gandhi famously said, "Your life is your message." It is.

I prefer a good Truman or Eisenhower Christian. A Jerry Ford Christian. Maybe a JFK Christian.

Not many know the deep faith of Robert Kennedy in the months before his assassination... that man never pandered to any religious political action groups, but, by God, he took his family to mass every Sunday, rain or shine.

The best would be in the manner of Lincoln who never went to church, but maintained a deep and abiding private faith.

I'm waiting for a Jewish president, a Hindu president, a Buddhist president... until then, Christians should show a little respect to Jesus by living the life they espouse so vociferously in res publica.

Enough said today.

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Larry DeLand, Fl — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:46:02 GMT

The comment that Bobby from Miami Fl made about the Bible being nonsense and Huckabee should withdraw for being a Christian and leting everyone know he is running on a Christian platform is so refreshing. When Jesus comes back and takes over this world and people like Bobby is burning in hell, I wonder what he will be saying then. We need a Godly man in the White House.

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Darryl N, Grand Rapids MI. — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:52:56 GMT

In response to Mick: You may be right about violence steming from the lack of resposible parents; but, having responsible parents is an American problem, not a black problem. Further more to blaim some one for a problem you must first believe them capable of solving it. Black people do not beleive that white people are the problem. It is in your arrogance that you believe you are even capable of a solution. Finally, once our nation takes responsibility for its actions then her people will likely follow.

This debate was not about black and white yet, you seem to only have found one thing in all that was said. Sounds like you have some issues of your own to work on.

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tos montecello, ga — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:54:20 GMT

the general who asked the question about gays in the military is part of the hillary search commitee,if if bill bennet had not brought that fact to america i do not believe cnn would ever have admited it.

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Rhonda Holland Altoona, PA — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:03:38 GMT

The United States Constitution (Article VI, section 3) states that "...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." Why was the Bible question even allowed???

I don't care about a candidate's personally held religious belief (or lack thereof). I am tired of hearing people say that one cannot be President because their Catholic belief or Mormon belief will somehow keep them from performing the required duties as a representative of "all the People."

Ron Paul is the only candidate who seems to have read the Constitution. His record shows he means it when he takes his Oath of Office to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Google Ron Paul's voting record.

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Sean Boston — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:03:59 GMT

Bee, I am surprised that you are voting for Obama - you have always struck me as so pro Hillary

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Norman, Cypress, CA — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:12:06 GMT

In this day of wishy-washy non-decisive rino-republicanism it is refreshing to see Mr. Huckabee rising in the polls. I’m praying that he wins the nomination and then the presidency. This nation NEEDS a man who is committed to the ULTIMATE standard of GOD’S word as the only cause of knowledge! Not like the one in the office today. The only way to have justified true belief about logic, science, human dignity and morality is to start our reasoning process from the only worldview that causes such things to make sense. All others are nonsense! Proverbs 1:7-“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge…”

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:27:07 GMT

Rhonda:

It's not a test administered by the government. The purpose of that prohibition in the Constitution was to prevent the government itself from requiring those serving in public office to pass any type of religious test. It does not prevent average citizens asking presidential candidates questions about their religion or their faith.

I don't think it is relevant myself, but it does not violate the Constitution.

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Wisconsin Quilter — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:31:41 GMT

CNN would NEVER admit to the PLANTED questions because they are too busy campaigning for Hillary....how obvious could that have been in the last Democratic so-called debate. Even if there were 100's/1000's of questions for last night all CNN had to do was to have some intern Google these people and find out just who they really were.......but then that would have been a ridiculous "flagrant act of true journalism." These questions might have been acceptable IF CNN would have disclosed who the actual questioners really were.
CNN (Clinton News Network) is worthless when it comes to actual UNBIASED and FAIR coverage for both the Republicans & Democrats. Just imagine if ALL (Rep. & Dem)candidates would have the SAME amount of time to talk instead of CNN deciding who could/could not talk.......WOW, what a concept that would be.

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Cedric, Charlotte — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:42:23 GMT

real quick-

someone made the point that the country was started based on the idea of abolishing religious tyranny, and then made a jump to the idea that basically Christians shouldn't be in office or run for office.

The reason the Pilgrims and others came here was not to escape religion, but, as you say, religious tyranny, or the inability to practice religion as different groups saw fit. The problem in Europe was not religion per se- it was mandated religion, by the Catholic church and the Anglicans in the form of stuff like the Inquisition, which persuaded dissident Christian groups to seek a place where they could freely practice their brand of Christianity.

I don't believe in a religious litmus test- if i agreed w/ a muslim or buddhist or whatever on policy, I'd vote for them. I think I could vote for a atheist if he shared most of my views. I'm a pro-life, anti "gay marriage" (pro-civil union) person who is very open to voting for a Democrat, so I believe I'm open-minded.

I believe the Constitution protects all faiths, and even the lack of faith. But in my heart of hearts I don't believe the founders ever intended for faith to be under siege the way it is today in America. It's my belief that the founders envisioned America as a place where people of all faiths could live together. I think "liberals" (hate that term) have distorted the intent of the founders and are going far beyond the original intent; in the same way I believe "conservatives" (hate that term) interpret the 2nd amendment in the way that best fits their preoccupation with guns.

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cc Huntsville AL — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:45:07 GMT

I must have forgotten to hit the Submit button: Forgive me if this ends up being a repeat. My previous post ended:

There seems to be a definate bias against giving Tancredo, Paul, Hunter, and to some degree Thompson enough stage time relative to the "darlings."

I checked experience as "major" elected officials (excluding lesser offices):
Tancredo -- 8 years Representative
Huckabee -- 11 years Governor
Romney -- 4 years Governor
Giuliani -- 8 years Mayor
Thompson -- 8 years Senator
McCain -- 21 years Senator, previous House experience
Paul -- 20 years Representative
Hunter -- 26 years Representative

Using the "face time" stats that have been posted, why do the least experienced candidates get the most face time? Romney did not stand for re-election as Governor -- Giuliani was re-elected mayor, but his senate campaign came off the rails due to his marital problems.

The media is focusing on the two candidates who have been the least elected by their constituents.

During a time that our nation is involved in an armed conflict, the views of Romney and Giuliani seem to merit more attention than the Vietnam Era Veterans: McCain, Hunter, and Paul -- McCain gets more air-time than the other two.

I checked, apparently Paul has raised substantially more money from Armed Services Personnel than the others. (Can anyone confirm this?)

I don't want to imply that military service is or should be a requirement for the presidency, but these men have been to war -- their positions merit a hearing.

Giving Romney and Giuliani the lion's share of the time, really makes me wonder. Perhaps they could sit out the next debate and let the people hear from the other candidates so that we can evaluate both the breadth and depth of their knowledge.

Romney and Giuliani have said nothing new since the first debate.

Just a thought

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Richard, Washington State — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:49:56 GMT

Mark Thieme and Ellen:

I agree with both of you. Why should a person's religion have anything at all to do with running for office? There is no reason to eliminate anyone on that basis and we are all free to consider a person's religious beliefs a plus or minus and vote accordingly.

Sorry, but we're all stuck with the 1st amendment. Thank God.

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Gary, Franklin, WI — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:53:31 GMT

Mark, it would have been funnier if you had written:

Hillary Clinton is no Oprah Winfrey. In fact, Barack Obama is no Oprah Winfrey. Not even relevant.

To which I would add:

Tom Tancredo is Bill Bennett.

Duncan Hunter is Donald Runsfeld.

Ron Paul is Ronald Reagan on steroids, and may actually mean what he says.

John McCain is two elections and two wars too late. Someone tell John that Vietnam ended in 1975.

Fred Dalton Thompson is no Arthur Branch and, for that matter, no Steven Hill.

Mike Huckabee was Governor of Arkansas people! I'm surprized that hasn't yet disqualified him from the GOP nomination.

Mitt Romney belongs in rehab, as soon as he gets out of flip-flop prison.

And, finally:

Rudy Giuliani is no Hillary Clinton!

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cc Huntsville AL — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:05:55 GMT

The Bible question was very strange, as was the evolution question in a previous debate.

I don't recall this type of question from the Democrat's debates. I am confident that Democrats have religious convictions too. What's the big deal? This is America, as a previous post accurately points out -- no religious test to hold office.

I can understand the peoples' curiosity, but sheesh, let it rest.

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Bryan William — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:38:46 GMT

To Pat Huntington, I guess I need to get my
"head checked" according to your vast wisdom,
because I'm voting for MIKE HUCKABEE ALL THE
WAY!!!! It's so mature of you to insult people
who don't carry the same view as you. Clearly
you're much more intelligent than the rest of
us.