Another Clinton jab on health care

Chuck, San Diego — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:24:39 GMT

could you all be more biased? If Obama's campaign throws mud, you praise him as the highest of saints...

Another Clinton jab on health care

Henry Hyde, Hellcity, Hell — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:25:11 GMT

I would have supported Hillary's healthcare plan, but can't now...ouch! Just got burned by another flame. Hey Saddam!

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Real Democrat, CA — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:27:35 GMT

Nice try Hillary...but boiler-plate templates will not pass the smell test with the American people.

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RKA, IL — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:27:50 GMT

You know, HIllary is right about mandates. If someone can't afford health insurance then they can go to jail and get health care from the prison system. Problem Solved!

Kidding aside, I'd like to see our limited health care dollars go to health care, not to enforcing mandates.

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Bee — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:28:22 GMT

She is just playing politics as usual and she is so desperate. Why can't the healthcare professionals write the letter straight to Obama? Why is it coming from the Clinton's campaign?

I expect the Media to press the professionals on this issue and let see who is behind the political gimmick. Hillary is so dishonest and cannot be trusted. If she can plan question in republican debate, I think she is behind the letter.

This alone tells me how desperate Hillary Clinton has become.

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James G., Oak Park, MI — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:33:30 GMT

The Obama camp should respond that unlike Senator Clinton, I will work to have my health care plan in place during my first term. Senator Clinton has said on many an occassion that her plan wouldn't be implemented until the end of her second term. What are the american people supposed to do while waiting 7 years for her to do something that she promised to get done when she first ran for elected office?

Also, ask the doctors what good is her health care plan if the people can't afford it? Will you arrest them if they show up for treatment without healthcare? How is her mandate to be enforced? Will you not treat the patients?

My take, first off, who the hell said she'd get a first term much less a second one?!?!? Since healtcare is such a vital and important issue to the american people, why do we have to wait 7 years for it to get done? Will a HRC supporter please answer that question for me?

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Marbw — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:37:01 GMT

CLINTON ATTACK: "He has called his plan universal, then he called it 'virtually universal,' but it simply does not deserve the label," said the New York senator. "When it comes to truth in labeling, his plan simply flunks the test." [CNN, 11/28/07]
Hillary Clinton: "We Are All In Favor Of Universal Health Care." Hillary Clinton said, "We are all in favor of universal health care." [YearlyKos Debate, 6:00, 8/4/07]
REALITY: Washington Post Wrote It Would Be Hard To Find Anyone Not Covered By Obama's Plan, Because It's Not Clear They Exist
Washington Post: "It Could Be A Struggle For Clinton To Find Someone Who Wants Health Insurance But Doesn't Qualify Under The Obama Plan, Because It's Not Clear Such A Person Exists." The Washington Post reported, "For people who want to get health insurance and make an effort to do so, Clinton and Obama have almost exactly the same plan: increasing the number of poor who can qualify for Medicaid, offering tax credits or subsidies for people who need help paying their health care bills and requiring insurance companies to offer everyone coverage, with the government subsidizing those who can't pay the full amount. So the 15 million people without insurance under Obama's plan would be a combination of relatively well-off people who choose not to purchase health insurance and people who qualify for public programs like Medicaid who don't sign up. It could be a struggle for Clinton to find someone who wants health insurance but doesn't qualify under the Obama plan, because it's not clear such a person exists." [Washington Post, 11/28/07]
REALITY: Clinton Campaign Advisor Said Their Health Care Plan Was Not Universal
Clinton Campaign Health Care Adviser: Clinton's Health Care Plan Will Not Include Everybody. "The truth is that neither the Obama plan, nor the Clinton plan, guarantees 'universal coverage' for all Americans, although they both aspire to this goal. Let's look at the Clinton plan first. MIT economics professor Jonathan Gruber, one of Clinton's health care advisers, describes her plan as a 'universal coverage' plan, in contrast to the Obama plan, which he terms a 'universal access' plan. But he also acknowledges that the Clinton plan will not include everybody. 'Any system that does not have a single payer will not have 100 per cent coverage,' he told me, when I reached him after the Las Vegas debate. 'But you can come very close.' ... The system proposed by Clinton is more analagous to the government-subsidized private insurance system in the Netherlands, where roughly one and a half per cent of the population is estimated to fall through the cracks." [Washington Post Fact Checker, 11/19/07]
REALITY: Analysts Say Clinton Plan Won't Cover Everyone
Harvard Program On Public Opinion And Health And Social Policy's Robert Blendon: Clinton's Health Care Plan Isn't Going To Cover Everybody; Preliminary Data From Massachusetts Shows That People Would Rather Remain Uninsured That Purchase A Stripped Down Plan. "Robert Blendon, director of the Harvard Program on Public Opinion and Health and Social Policy, estimates Obama's plan would end up covering 5 percent to 10 percent fewer individuals than Clinton's. But that's assuming that it's possible for Clinton to require everyone to purchase insurance. Blendon suspects that it isn't. 'At the end of the day,' he tells FactCheck.org, 'it's not going to be everybody. We have no idea what the actual falloff would be.' ... Preliminary data from Massachusetts, which implemented a sweeping health insurance plan last year, is showing that many people would rather remain uninsured than purchase a stripped-down plan. 'People always say having some insurance is better than no insurance,' Blendon says. 'It turns out, in some of the focus groups in Massachusetts, people don't believe that.'" [FactCheck.org, 11/16/07]
Urban Institute's John Holohan: Clinton's Plan Won't Eliminate The Problem Of Uninsured Altogether. John Holohan, the author of a study conducted at the Urban Institute, a Washington-based think tank, that gamed out various different models for health care reform in Massachusetts several years ago, does not believe that either the Clinton or the Obama plan will eliminate the problem of the uninsured altogether. "We would all be very happy if we got down to one and a half per cent," he said. [Washington Post Fact Checker, 11/19/07]
REALITY: Obama Has Been Fighting For Universal Health Care For His Entire Time In Public Life
Obama Vows To Push Universal Health Care. Chicago Tribune reported, "Armed with impressive, if purely symbolic referendum results, proponents of universal health care are preparing to take their "Bernardin Amendment" back to Springfield for a practical test next year. An overwhelming 83 percent of voters in Cook County approved an advisory version of the amendment Tuesday, calling for a guarantee of universal health care in the state constitution by the year 2000. Organizers also plan to replicate Tuesday's symbolic triumph, putting the question before voters as a non-binding referendum in other counties, towns, even school districts. State Sen. Barack Obama (D-Chicago) added that efforts would begin immediately to develop a specific program for universal health care to accompany the broadly worded amendment." [Chicago Tribune, 11/5/98]
Obama Said "We're Not Ambitious Enough" On Health Care, "You Don't Give Up On The Goal Of Universal Health Care Because...People Need Universal Health Care." New York Magazine reported, "'There are times I think we're not ambitious enough,' Obama says. 'I remember back in 2004, one of the candidates had made a proposal about universal health care, and some DLC-type commentator said, 'We can't propose this kind of big-government costly program, because it'll send a signal we're tax-and-spend liberals.' But that's not a good reason to not do something. You don't give up on the goal of universal health care because you don't want to be tagged as a liberal. People need universal health care.'" [New York Magazine, 10/2/06]
Obama Said He Will Sign Universal Health Care By The End Of His First Term. In a speech, Obama said, "When I am president, I will sign a universal health care law by the end of my first term. My plan will cover the uninsured by letting people buy into the same kind of health care plan that members of Congress give themselves. It will bring down costs by investing in information technology, and preventative care, and by stopping the drug companies from price-gouging when patients need their medicine. It will help business and families shoulder the burden of catastrophic care so that an illness doesn't lead to a bankruptcy. And it will save the average family a thousand dollars a year on their premiums. We can do this." [Obama Speech, 5/2/07]

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Trish, San Diego, CA — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:38:18 GMT

Really Hillary... You and the word Truth just DON'T GO TOGETHER. If I have to come up in 5 second who I think is the most dishonest politician, your face & Bill's are the first to pop up in my head.
Give me a BREAK! Grasping at straws are you? Your Healthcare plan is a COPY of Edwards. There's not single policy plan you & your people crafted by yourselves.

I mean this is what I got from you:

I was for the Iraq war, but now I not.
I authorized the Iran war, but that's not what I meant.
I'm the most experienced, but it's not a big deal that I screwed up the most.
I'm the most experienced, but can't handle answering spontaneous questions.
I'm the most experienced, but can only answer planted questions.
My campaign is the best, it has to plant question on a republican presidential debate.
My campaign is the best, by copying what the other candidates are doing.
My campaign is the best, I have Mark Penn (Blackwater)
I have the best policies, they're copied & cherry picked from all the other candidates.
I was against the healthcare mandate, now I'm for it.
I failed the universal healthcare, but it's not my fault, it's Bill's.
I was the face of foreign policy in the 90s, but you just don't hear about it. (Until now that is).
I was for driver license for illegals now I'm not.
I was for NAFTA, now I'm not.
I took money from cronies like Norman Hsu, but it's not the same as Bill's Chinese money scandal. His Chinese mistake doesn't anything to do with my Chinese mistake.
I played gender card, but I'm sure people are dumb enough not to notice.
They just go on and on and on and on....NON STOP.

That's the best about power hungry politicians, they always find a way to self destruct. Keep doing what you're doing Hillary & by all means bring Bill along with you. You're doing a FANTASTIC JOB.

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ted Orlando fl — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:43:04 GMT

Hillary is so pitiful. Mandate health care?????

question how many americans out there who drive... let their auto insurance lapse??????? More than you think!! They still drive their vehicle until they get caugh,pulled over by the police,get a ticket or thier license gets suspsended or what ever. Is that going to make them pay their insurance premiums??? Yes pay the ticket and the premiums you could not afford any way. SILLLARYYY . We will now have a debtor prisons.

Now on the other hand if they could afford the insurance premium would they let their coverage lapse????
People you have to think!!!

Obama 08

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John M., San Diego, CA — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:43:10 GMT

More manufactured garbage from the Clinton campaign. The exact same numbers in every single letter, no justification or reference to where they're from. No discussion of how Clinton will mandate insurance or how much more expensive her plan will be.

Just a bunch of RN's and other health support workers trying to help out Hillary by recycling information fed to them by her campaign. Show me a letter from an independent health care policy analyst; then maybe I'd care.

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Jan, Nashua, NH — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:44:52 GMT

Ya know, love her or hate her, this woman is running the smartest campaign I've ever seen.

I've been very vocal about candidates not staying on policy issues and getting bogged down on their own personal opinions like "electibility."
This is a POLICY difference, and it's a gentle way to highlight it.

Kudos to my candidate, if I do say so myself.

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Nashville_fan — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:48:38 GMT

Um, you're kidding me, right? These prewritten letters sound just like Hillary Clinton's speeches . . . it's almost as if the same person wrote them or something! lol

Oh, and give me a break with using the made up number 15 million like it's a fact. That number is about as flimsy as all that oil revenue money that is gonna begin pouring in from Iraq any day now.

"Universal" healthcare is just a slogan if you don't have ANY WAY to get your unfunded "mandate" through congress.

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utah — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:50:10 GMT

This is so pathetic and so low minded that the hilary campaign would recruit some workers to leviate her debate with senator obama. I think the hilary camp have been untroned of their invincibility wind and try desperately to make a point.

Why HRC can not be completely entitled to her plan and attack obama directly if they want?

Secondly if not to mark points, the letters are exactly similar and only another HRC talking point?

I dont think that the nurses that hilary recruited to PLANT these letters will there in the white house to help her again to pass the plan in the congress if ever she wins.

I am a student and i do not have health insurance, not because i dont want to have one but because i cannot afford it. I can harldly pay for my tuition and younger that i am, health care is the last thing that i want to get.

So if it happens that i cannot afford health care, how much HRC is going to fine me? She needs to answer those questions before accusing any body else plan.

We have already seen HRC limites, she had the opportunity to provide universal health care and she blew it very badly and she is the last person the american people should turn to when it comes to health care, let not talk about the national security or the war in IRAK (we all know what happenned).

I see the smoke out of the CLINTON's and it is becoming ridicule, one know that people supports them for loyality and i find it amuzing.

The country needs some fresh air and new directions, and HRC doesn't not embodied that.

Edward and Obama are the only viable candites that can take the country forward.

HRC will loose badly among republicain's and cannot unite the country.

The american people wants to move forward and not backward.

Go OBama 08.

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--NSMSNBC — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:56:00 GMT

First, there is only one MD. The majority of the rest are nurses, not that there's anything wrong with that, but it doesn't carry the same weight. Secondly, this is pretty obviously political theater. Haven't we had enough of that with Bush-Cheney. Third, don't all of these letters sound alike. Is it possible that the Clinton campaign offered suggested points for these writers?

I reject the notion that Clinton/Edwards' mandated insurance would reduce costs and bring preventative care any more than Obama's plan in which he seeks to make healthcare more affordable to those in need. The costs will still be there, only through the government. Preventive care would not necessarily increase if we get a whole population enrolled with cheap, crappy, mandated insurance. Let's take a look at how Massachusetts is turning out. If mandated insurance has solved all problems or made things that much better, I would be surprised (not that I don't appreciate the effort).

The difference between U.S. and European care is that we here demand the best, top-of-the-line therapy. Developing those therapies come at a cost. How many U.S. vs. European drug companies are there? That has nothing to do with mandated insurance, but a separate discussion our nation should have.

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Diamond — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:56:15 GMT

Ignorance and stupidity at its peak.
If all these people think Hillary has a universal health plan, why don't they just go ahead and vote for her? Why are they interested in Obama?

Wow! Hillary Clinton must be reeeaally in panic mode!

Ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!! Inevitable my foot!

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:00:53 GMT

Hillary will have her health care plan in place by the END of her SECOND TERM ?

That's about the same time as she'll have most of the troops out of Iraq (and into Iran ?)

I can hardly wait !!

How are those NH and SC polls looking Slick Hilley ?

OH !!
Thanks First Read for posting more of Hillary's campaign materials !!
Now we don't have to go to Hillary's web site....
We can be brain washed by First Read !!

Yaaaaay !!

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Nashville_fan — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:07:47 GMT

Diamond,

They are writing the letters to Obama because he is going to be the next President of the United States!

lol

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Nashville_fan — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:11:23 GMT

What happened to all that "illegal PAC" bla bla? Guess that one didn't stick, huh? This "healthcare" one isn't gonna stick either. Next.

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Anthony , Bridgeport,CT — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:17:40 GMT

This healthcare thing is getting out of control. I have no idea why Clinton,Edwards and others are trying to make people think that when they are president everyone will have healthcare coverage. This is not True. What are they going to do? snap their fingers and healthcare for all americans will appear. This issue is bigger than all the candidates and their ego's from both sides of the isle so stop simlifiying this issue. Barack will not promise something he knows he or anyone else can't deliver.
You will need maximum bipartisanship or mandate of overwhelming majority in both houses to even seriously consider this.Baracks plan doesn't just promises Thomases and can't cook toast like Hilliary,but a realistic plan to improve the number of people who has access as a starting point and gradually increasing the number of covered americans yearly
Hilliary could be the nominee , but people who vote for her will be a emotional decision and not a intelligent decision and this is why.

1. She doesn't play well with others which means nothing will get accomplished. When she doesn't get he way she will pout, take her toys and go home and blame the republicans for the next 4 years.

2.Should she win, again no mandate but worse because you can count on republicans not supporting her but after this long and her dirty politics in this campaign democrates will resent her for her strong arm tactics and not support her and rightfully so. Where does this leave us ? Democrates getting blamed for not doing what they promised and the results will be the republicans getting stronger through all this Clinton mess and forget about a 2nd term. If you want to crush the republican for the next 2 or 3 elections vote Obama. Even if the houses are evenly split I like his chances better than Hilliary as the person who can't get republican support on some of the major issues facing our country. Anyone who keeps having to prove how experienced they are usually has none or lack the tools necessary to use them properly.

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Anthony , Bridgeport,CT — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:24:42 GMT

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obama '08 — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:32:20 GMT

"But we know that Hillary has the strength and experience to achieve her plan to cover each and every American - leaving not one of the 270,000 uninsured Iowans out of her plan."
Riiiiigh, becuase it worked so well when she had 8 years to get it done when her husband was in office. I highly dooubt another 8 years would help, lets all hope she doesn't get them!! Not to mention those 270 thousand Iowns are the ones who probably can't afford it and will be "mandated", whatever she means by that. Since she hasn't told us yet, seeing as she's to busy focusing on other candidates proposals because hers are so weak. Oh and Biden doesn't have a mandated plan either. And Edwards' is way more in depth than hers. Ugh.

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PBrown — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:37:45 GMT

WOW all YALL MAD at Hillary Clinton...

Well right now she is seeming quite pathetic... and May I also say desperate...They Her (Campaign) seems to try ever little dirty trick they can... I guess they figured if it worked for Bush why not give it a try... If Americans were so stupid to vote for Bush using this same nonsense well maybe they will be stupid again…..

Well Hillary, many us Americans are struggling financially, and what's worst is that are healthcare cost are rising, are food and house-hold cost are rising, are child-care cost are rising, plan and simple are cost of living is rising... Because she is not poor or struggling financially she lacks the compassionate of those of us who are.

I once supported you but I can’t any longer…… Your entire campaign is not in-touch with the reality of the American People…. It’s time to regroup and get a real understanding of what’s going on.....

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:42:48 GMT

'...Ya know, love her or hate her, this woman is running the smartest campaign I've ever seen....'

I don't hate Hillary...
I just don't like her
Her supporters say people hate her....
Maybe they just don't like her and her policies
I think she's a self serving phoney

She was running a good campaign
I'll give she that
But, she stumbled during the Philadelphia debate
She got caught double talking about alien IDs
She's been off kilter ever since

Sometimes selling 'snake oil' doesn't work
It's no longer working for Hillary
She was trying to remain uncommitted on policies

'...I've been very vocal about candidates not staying on policy issues and getting bogged down on their own personal opinions like "electibility."
This is a POLICY difference, and it's a gentle way to highlight it.

Kudos to my candidate, if I do say so myself.
Jan, Nashua, NH...'

Jan, she's sinking in Iowa
She's tied with Obama there

She's lost 2/3rds of her lead in NH... 18% ot 12%
She's tied in SC

She had big leads in all these states....
You're 'whistling past the graveyard', Jan

She didn't attack her rivals before Philadelphia
She didn't notice them
She said 'they're attacking me because I'm ahead'

Why is she now attacking Obama, Jan ?

;-)

I'm waiting for the NEXT debate, Jan
Will we see 'Attack mode Hillary' ?

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justin, new york — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:44:05 GMT

nashville_fan,

i'm with you on that one HAHA. i bet the "illegal PAC" hitjob was their "scandalous information" that was released to bob novak.

looks like thye released it anyway to no avail.

hillary clinton's desperate attempts to kill this man's momentum is looking relaly sad.

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Sarah — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:45:30 GMT

So a group of Hillary supporters who happen to be nurses sign a group of letters in an effort to promote her candidacy.

This is the most ridiculous effort yet by the Clinton Campaign.

Well, here's my letter: I am a healthcare professional and I am here to tell you that mandates DO NOT work for adults. They work for children, because children of many families can now be covered by S-CHIP. There is a mechanism to enforce the mandate with children because they could be required to have insurance in order to attend school. They do not work for adults and this has been demonstrated in Massachusetts.

How about if Hillary gets all of the insurance companies who stand to profit from her plan to sign letters? They can say that they are going to thank us in advance for the multi million dollar profits that they will receive from us.

Hillary is ridiculous. Iowa won't buy it.

Hillary has failed at this before, and she will fail again.

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Shadow, Hamden, CT — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:55:00 GMT

Obama has promised universal health care in his first term. Clinton only promises it in her second.

Obama has actually passed universal health care for children in Illinois as a legislator. Clinton's only major policy attempt in her husband's adminstration involved universal health care not even coming up for a vote in a Democratic Congress.

I just got health care this year, and I wouldn't have gotten it five years ago if it was mandated, because I couldn't afford it. Therefore, Clinton's mandated plan is by definition not universal.

No amount of letters from health care professionals can alter those three key facts in this debate.

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Mike, Baltimore MD — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:55:31 GMT

Another pathetic attempt by the Clintonistas to hold onto power.

Sorry Hillary, I'm the decider. Obama 08!

:)

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Rachel, Texas — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:57:17 GMT

Only one MD and one MPH in all of Iowa? Not that it matters. Nurses and doctors aren't trained in financing / underwriting health care -- the medical school curriculum is packed just learning how to diagnose and treat patients. If Clinton had some public policy experts explain how her mandate would work to get everyone enrolled, that would be substantive. But her mandate won't get everyone enrolled, so the whole manufactured "issue" is a red herring. I think she'll lose credibility on health care once people realize this.

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Pam ,R.N. — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:07:07 GMT

Send me to the emergency room. Vote Hillary !hillaryclinton.com

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Michael — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:13:28 GMT

Mark Murray,

I hope you will make a follow up story on this because this a very suspicious, most likely orchestrated by the Hillary campaign. I, as a medical doctor was first very interested when I saw "health care professionals" thinking may be a credible organization such as a "state medical association was involved. Instead a close scrutiny of the list looks like like something that can be called "Women Nurses for Hillary". Don't jump in to thinking I am elitist or sexist. I work with women nurses every day and my wife is one of them and I can't survive without them. What I care most is the accuracy of the language and the real origin/motivation/ethics of the story. For the undescerning reader a list of nurses BTW all women(you think that is an accident?) may pass as "health care professionals". But I as a physician myself know that term comprises more than nurses.

I am hoping Mark will uncover the real story and will enlighten us.

By the way, telling the truth is better than a big promise of "universal" coverage that may not happen.

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JIM BOM — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:14:26 GMT

ALL THE ABOVE LETTERS COME FROM THE OBAMA CAMP. WHY IS IT THAT HILLERY IS ON TOP.THIS MORNINGS APER THE BLACK ARE ENDORSING HER. THEY KNOW HE IS JUST A KID YET, THAT WANTS TO BE PRESDENT HE SHULD WAITA FEW YEARS AND GET MORE KNOWLEGE.

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IntheMIddle, TX — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:15:04 GMT

These letters look mighty suspicious to me. WHere are all of the M.D.'s? I bet none of these nurses exist.

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Earl Farmer, Ames Iowa — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:16:20 GMT

Obama and Clinton. In another six weeks it won't matter what either of them says, the race will be between Biden and Edwards.

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TW, NY — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:21:38 GMT

I have to laugh at you Hillary haters and republicans. If Hillary said the sky is blue, you would call her a liar. I've notice it's the same 10 people on this blog that constantly bash her. You know, if you guys actually carried any weight with the rest of the 100 million people that will be voting in the election, I guess I might be worried that Hillary won't win, but since you don't, I'm not worried.

I just want to know, when she does win, will the rest of you cry that the voting was fixed? Will you claim the Republicans secretly wanted her to win and they fixed the election or will you claim the media secretly wanted her to win and they fixed the election? Seriously, get a life. No candidate is perfect. Republican or Deomocrat. Bitching about candidates every single day with the same 10 bloggers gets a little old don't you think? How many ways can you say you hate Bush or Clinton? Really? I think it's funny that some are you are now calling Clinton the same person as Bush. Now that's comical.

I must say, I will add my two cents every once in a while, but some of you are involved in every single subject and more than once and somehow it ends up bashing Hillary eventhough it may have nothing to do with her. Don't you people have jobs or family? If you are working, does your boss know you spend hours writing pointless babble, all the while stealing the company's money because you are not doing the job you are being paid to do? Seriously, get a life. Get outside, exercise, read some books, spend time with your family. It's the holiday season for God sakes! Share some good will towards the people you canstantly yell at in these forums.

Happy Holidays people. Peace and goodwill towards men and women

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Jayden Bennett, Houston, Texas — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:31:58 GMT

So sad that Hillary and her team continually undermines the intellect of the general public. Common people are way too smart for this boiler-plate letter writing ploy. Hillary, has no respect and no connect with common everyday working people.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:35:18 GMT

Obama and Clinton. In another six weeks it won't matter what either of them says, the race will be between Biden and Edwards.
Earl Farmer, Ames Iowa (Sent Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:16 PM)

It would be terrific if that was the case! I like Edwards but, like Obama, I don't think he has the qualifications and experience necessary. Biden does. I'd like to see the two of them together on a ticket, but something tells me Edwards would not be willing to play second fiddle for a second time.

Does anyone know if that is true? Has Edwards said whether he would consider the VP spot?

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Justwaitandsee — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:38:21 GMT

JIM BOM

I am a black woman who is not supporting Hillary and take it from me once Black People as whole start to see he can really become President they will leave her in a heart beat... Right now they are basing their support off of what her husband did...
And nothing more

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Al, KS — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:41:52 GMT

Dear Senator Clinton,
I am not a health care professioanl. I'm am just an average working Joe. I understand that you will require me to buy whatever health care insurance you are promoting this week. Could you please provide some policy that guarantees health care to all Americans. Universal health care is not the same as universal health insurance. And would you please stop trying to bash the plans of Obama or any other candidate that has a different plan from your own. Like I said, I'm just an average Joe, but I would like to hear you talk more about your plans so that I can make a choice in this election. I'm sure that Senator Obama can speak for himself.
Sincerely,
Average Joe

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Tammy, Denton, Maryland — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:49:31 GMT

LPNs and RNs? Is Hillary serious? She found a group of her supporters to write letters and that's supposed to mean exactly what?

Where are the number crunching professionals? When she gets a bunch of letters from a bunch of esteemed number crunching professionals then I'll pay attention.

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Micheal — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:50:22 GMT

TW, NY
Thank you for mentioning that. I was wondering the same thing. You see these people almost everywhere, any article about Hillary they attack back, anything Obama they praise. I wonder if you guys are hired by Obama to cover the media ? Why are you doing this ? My friends keep asking me the same thing and I believe lots of people are wondering why you guys doing this ?

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Gloria, Des Moines, Iowa — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:52:25 GMT

This is a desparate attempt of the Clinton Campaign to undermind supporters of other candidtes. The scary thing is HOW LONG will it take for one of the Health Care Professionals to leak that they've been paid to write these letters.

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keep your pants up bill — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:53:19 GMT

Define Stupid....Hillary Clinton!
If you turned over every rock in the world you could not find 2 more dishonest and untrustworthy people.. Hillary and Bill...throw in Jimmy Carter and you have the 3 biggest idiots!

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Arshad, Newburgh, NY — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:56:07 GMT

Does or should government also "gurantee" our job, our ability to pay rent/mortgage, certain amount of grocery for our house, oour car insurance or credit card bills? Where do Clintons get the idea that universal means forcing people to do something. Universal coverage means providing access to a high quality but affordable healthcare coverage to all people regardless of their employment status or pre-existing conditions. But at the end of the day, citizens are responsible for their own lives, their choices and priorities. You can take the horse to the water but you can't make the horse to drink. Clinton thinks she will force the horse to drink and Obama is focused on finding the water for horse and horse is responsible for drinking. Obama's plan does provide "guranteed" coverage for children though by making parents responsible to buy coverage for the children.

With only 51 vote in Senate, how Clinton will pass a bill like this. She can't period. To gain support from both sides, the plan should be a realistic one. Reduce cost, improve quality, protect children, and adults act responsibly to keep them covered when it's affordable. Obama is a pragmatic, practical politician. He knows what is an ideal goal like covering 100% people with "gurantee". But he also recognize the political reality and what is practical to achieve. You can not give up opportunity to make a huge improvement in healthcare just because you are too hung up on the most ideal solution which can be treated as extreme by your political opponents. Compromised, negotiated and almost ideal achievable solution will be always attractive to Obama then pushing for an ideal solution (guranteed coverage) that will not find enough support in congress and will never happen. When Clinton says Obama is not covering everyone, it sounds like healthcare reform is a free federal program, she is giving it free to all and Obama is not.

Mandate or not, some people won't buy because they will take risk or they have other priorities in life. Mandate or not, most people are individually responsible to buy their own and their family's coverage. So what's really is your point Hillary. You Clintons are shameless people. You want to exploit people's sufferings and country's sufferings for political purpose. If you are so passionate about universal coverage, why you DID NOT support it in 1993? WHY you could not pass the healthcare reform in 8 years during Clinton presidency? You were the head of healthcare taskforce. Millions of people suffering today because of your mistake. The approcah you are taking to solve it will never get bipartisan support, will never see the light in congress, people will keep suffering. And may be your daughter will campaign for presidency on the same issue down the road.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:57:15 GMT

Talk about missing the point; She is hammering him with her strongest issue (health care) and targeting her largest constituency (women)in a race (Iowa) that everyone agrees is tight. Now Edwards is following suit.
Obama supporters say he's the front-runner in Iowa, based on ONE poll (within the MOE) so now he will get to experience what the actual front-runner (Hillary)has been dealing with for the past month.

Bruce Willis, as John McClane in Die Hard said it best, (when the police car goes over the embankment in a hail of bullets), "Welcome to the party pal!"

It's only beginning...

Van

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ace p washington, d.c. — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:02:59 GMT

has anyone taken the time to think of not only the fact that people could get in legal trouble if health insurance is mandated, but that the health industry will be served very well if a mandate is implemented? mandating isn't covering everybody. it is enforcement even upon those who can't afford it. it isn't only the poor that can't afford health insurance. to say you will mandate health insurance by ant candidate isn't universal insurance. how would you liked to be forced to purchase something you can't afford? The health industry and it's lobby is already rich without the mandate. do you really think mandating health insurance is hillary's idea? just look at what industry is one of her largest contributors, please and has always been. Let's hear what your pla is hillary and john. not just say mandate,mandate,mandate. think people. she is super slick with perception. she is going to line her pocket at your expense. the health lobby is one of her biggest bed fellows.

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George — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:03:41 GMT

Justwaitandsee (Sent Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:38 PM)

So you believe that they will vote for Obama BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN?

You have a very low opinion of the African-American population.

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Ed, Austin, TX — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:23:47 GMT

What is Hillary going to do? ARREST people who cannot afford to sign up for her MANDATES????? She is LYING to the American people. Wake and read Obama's plan. He will not LIE to the people.....We need VISION and JUDGEMENT not more so-called experience and lies and what is is's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ed, Austin, TX — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:33:31 GMT

Obama explains stance on health care, talks international expertise
Foster's Daily Democrat | November 28, 2007
By ADAM D. KRAUSS

Barack Obama says if he's elected president, the nation's health care business would be beamed into households.

Speaking about his plan for universal care - which he insisted is virtually the same as two of his rivals in the race for the Democratic nomination - the Illinois senator said he'd get different groups to agree on a plan in front of television cameras.

The process would be much different from the approach rival New York Sen. Hillary Clinton and former President Bill Clinton took in 1993, he said, when "they decided to go behind closed doors ... and not let anybody in the room."

"We will have a long meeting" of doctors, nurses, hospital administrators, employers, workers, patient advocates and, without letting them monopolize things, insurance and drug companies, Obama said Tuesday, during an editorial board meeting with Foster's Daily Democrat. "It may last a month. It may last two months. It will be on C-SPAN."

Read the full article from Foster's Daily Democrat
http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071128/GJNEWS_01/711280035

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Ron, TX — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:34:37 GMT

What a disgusting move by a potential PRESIDENT to release that kind of misinformation...

Obama's plan will COVER everyone who WANTS IT. Hillary, on the other hand, CANNOT FORCE ("mandate") people who DO NOT WANT IT to get it. Her misinformation campaign is exactly the reason why people do not like President Bush. A President must always be HONEST about policy. America is sick and tired of political GAMES PLAYING. Hillary is an expert at playing games, unfortunately, that DOESN'T LEAD to POLICY RESULTS.

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John M., San Diego, CA — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:39:38 GMT

Hi Micheal,

I can vouch that I'm not paid by Obama. I did attend his San Diego kickoff as a volunteer, but haven't had any interaction with the campaign since then as every darn event he schedules locally is right when I have work obligations. :)

Frankly, I'm here because this is one of the few MSM blogs with what appears to be a solid readership, and there has been an astonishing amount of pro-Clinton spamming on a lot of threads recently. Not people making a specific policy point and following it up in argumentation, but just typing "GO HILLARY! hillaryclinton.com" or "YES or NO OBAMA" (during the PAC story and for several days afterward on totally unrelated stories even after Obama's campaign had answered.) This attempt to shout down the debate by sheer volume reminds me of the Bush tactics of '04 - I'm not trying to make another dig at Hillary here by comparing her to Bush, it really does, and it drives me nuts. If that debating method is allowed to work, we will have nothing but lowest-common-denominator, big-money political tactics for the forseeable future.

And I post during short breaks at work. Other people can surf the internet or go for coffee, we're engaged in a dialogue about the future of our country.

P.S. - If Hillary wins I will suck it up and work my butt off for her just like I did for Kerry (ugh) in '04.

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Its time for a BIG change — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:45:27 GMT

I see the obama camp is working the blogs hard today. I think you guys are a little to late. Hillary is going to whip his ass and after that she is going to crush, stomp and spit out any republican white man who gets in her way .... this is not a threat ..this is a promise. Go Hillary GO

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ace p washington, d.c. — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:51:42 GMT

we as african americans don't vote just because of color. we do vote for who we think will best represent us as well as our country (america). just as any other person or culture would do. however there are some black americans that get on a bandwagon because they don't think a person of color will really get a true chance to become president or that a person of color can win the presidency (these black americans are defeatists or sellouts). any culture should welcome the chance to blaze a trail that has yet to be achieved by them. Not because they are black, hispanic ,asian or whatever else, but because you should always strive to accomplish what hasn't be done. there is more than one glass cieling in many areas of life. If you select a candidate because you truly believe in them that is o.k. If you select aother because you think that obama or richardson can't win because they are of color then you are betraying yourself instead of pursuing hope and that sacrifices that were made so one could attempt to win. that is why martin luther, frederick douglass, harriet tubman and many others black, white and more sacrificed the way they did. so america could be better for the right to do so.

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Harmony — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:55:21 GMT

marbw - Excellent informed post. I have noticed that the most well informed people are for Obama. They can back up what is said with solid facts, not spin.

I do not want to pay for the insurance of people that are well able to pay for their own. Many people feel they are young and healthy and choose not to pay for insurance. So why should we make them?

Hillary's plan is just packed full of as many promises as possible. To bad they are just a bunch of empty promises. Rest assured the insurance companies want this plan because they will make tons of money off of us. We have to buy insurance? From who? Is that fair?

These manufactured letters are bad for healthcare because they make me sick. The public is sick of these lies, half truths, hidden agendas, and the "don't I look presidential" baloney that we have been having to swallow for the last several years. We want honesty, integrity back in charge.

Hillary the only thing you got going for you is your ego and Bill. Polls show that Obama or Edward would do better against the Republicans.

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Jan, Nashua, NH — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:55:23 GMT

Does this kind of stuff crack up anyone but me...?

Sierra, SF (Sent Thursday, November 29, 2007 3:42 PM):
"It's no longer working for Hillary"

Proof?
1. "Jan, she's sinking in Iowa. She's tied with Obama there."
--->>> So, "tied with Obama" now equals "sinking in Iowa"??? LOL! When we started, John Edwards was leading in Iowa, not Hillary Clinton.
Note: JOHN EDWARDS IS SINKING IN IOWA.
Note: Hillary Clinton is TIED FOR FIRST PLACE.

2. "She's lost 2/3rds of her lead in NH... 18% ot 12%"
--->>> SHE LEADING IN NH BY DOUBLE DIGITS!!
So, she can't just be LEADING now -- she has to be LEADING by a certain percentage... or she's "sinking"? Get back to us when Obama or Edwards are leading by double digits in NH, okay?
Otherwise, you're sounding the absolute fool right now.

3. "She's tied in SC"
So, tied for first place STILL isn't good enough???
Whew.

re: "She had big leads in all these states....
You're 'whistling past the graveyard', Jan"

So, even though there's not a state she is losing, somehow she is losing.
And I'M the one whistling past the grave yard?
wow.

re: "Why is she now attacking Obama, Jan ?"

--->>> Well, may I ask first...
Based on your logic, why is Obama attacking Hillary?
Based on your logic, why is Edwards attacking Hillary?
Based on your logic, why is McCain attacking Hillary?
Why is Huckabee attacking Hillary?
Why is Romney attacking Hillary?
Why is Giulani SPENDING MONEY on tv ads attacking HILLARY?
Based on your logic, why aren't any Republicans attacking any Democrats except Hillary Clinton?

Obviously, you want to have it both ways.

I'm not the least bit worried about the polls; and I think I heard you say somewhere that the polls didn't matter.
Didn't you tell us that polls don't matter???
So why are you telling me that "Hillary is sinking" -- based on polls?!!?
Isn't that a little hypocritical?

Hmmm, so now polls matter?
I L.M.F.A.O. at Clinter Haters.

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CitizenJ — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:58:39 GMT

An interview with Senator Hillary Clinton:

"My plan covers everybody because I told them they have to buy it, whether they can afford it or not!!! How will I enforce this mandate, you might be asking yourself? Well, we are NOT going to raise taxes!! And we will NOT use the Medicare fund!! And we will NOT raise the cap!! (psst, yes we will). And I will be fiscally responsible the whole time!!!!"

"But, Senator Clinton, how can you force people to buy something they can't afford?"

"Well....Obama's plan doesn't cover 15 million people!!! Obama's plan doesn't cover 15 million people!!! Obama's plan doesn't cover 15 million people!!! Obama's plan doesn't cover 15 million people!!!"

(Interview ends after Senator Clinton passes out.)

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ace p washington, d.c. — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:00:20 GMT

to justwaitandsee, george can't understand what you are saying unless you spell it all the way out for him. he cannot comprehend what you have endured or experienced. if he could, he would not have to ask that question. black americans are complexed in thinking and culture because of what we have endured. there are those that are scared of losing. instead of helping make history our black leaders today forget their history and heritage.they attach to a winner even if the issues don't have substance. to al sharpton and others that think like him it is like picking the winning horse that will benefit them. when it comes to politics their people or culture is not their true concern. they are about perception of being connected to the will be power brokers. a poll of 750 blacks nationwide does not represent the views of black america as a whole. don't insult us like that with that type of media spin.

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Justwaitandsee — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:04:48 GMT

George

My statement has nothing to do with the color of someone skin…Quite frankly Joe Biden has been my choice. But I think he would be better suited to take over Condi Rice position when we are finally done with Bush.

So before you start making statements of Black Americans make sure you get an understanding of them… I do like Obama, Edwards Biden and Dodd because they do provide an opportunity for change.

However I no longer support Hillary, I don’t support Richardson and wish I could support Kucinich… So you see I don’t have low expectation of Black Americans….My expectation is for all of us to understand they we have choices….

You don’t have to pick the one person (CLINTON) because that’s the only one you know.

Picking are next President is like studying for a test… If you don’t study you are likely to pick the only answer you know on a test (CLINTON) which could possibly be the wrong answer....but if you happen to actually study (The other candidate) you just might end-up with a better answer.

Research them, learned them and understand them and that not only goes for Black Americans that goes for all Americans.

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thanks — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:21:55 GMT

Average Joe

Unless you miss it, Hillary does speak for herself, many times. Her plan is has been published many times, do your homework.

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:23:58 GMT

It's gratifying to see that the blogosphere isn't falling for the Hillary bullsh*t put forth by her propaganda machine, manned by Mark Penn et al. I have to say that the reason that everyone here attacks Hillary is not for the sport of it. It's because the Democrats posting on these sites, do not want her as the nominee. She is the ultimate wedge for so many reasons (the war being number one).

And talk about polarity. Watching the Republican debate last night it was remarkable to me how often Hillary's name was invoked as a rallying point for the audience. There is no Democrat, Obama, Edwards, Biden, Dodd, Richardson, even Kucinich, who raises the blood pressure of Republicans as does Hillary. Does that mean anything? You bet it does. If the Democrats nominate Hillary, she will mobilize Republicans like no other opponent. And even if she squeaks by with an election victory, she will cause us to lose seats in all of the red and purple states. Think about it, you Hillary lovers.

I admit it; I wouldn't vote for her under any circumstances (although I could support any of the other Democrats), but you must be able to see that she is a liability which our party cannot afford.

And it's not because she's a woman. That happens to be a redeeming feature. What it's all about is her association will Bill Clinton and the cloak of supicion that they generate together. You may feel that it's unfair (and perhaps it is) but it can't be ignored. This lack of trust comes with a long history of her associating with one of the most untrustworthy presidents in our history. Bill is right up there with Nixon and GWB.

Actually I find it funny, that the Republicans feel that she is too liberal, when the truth is that Democrats who object to her feel that she is too Republican.

No matter how much you love her (and again, I admit that I don't), I think that it should be clear that she would not be the best nominee for the Democrats in 2008.
Obama '08

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ace p washington, d.c. — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:06:53 GMT

did i say something wrong or to truthful that my other comments weren't posted?

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ace p washington, d.c. — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:24:35 GMT

all hillary has said is she will mandate health coverage. she has not openly said how she would implement this plan. she has not said how this plan would be funded. she has not said how she would make this healthcare plan affordable for those that cannot pay the bills they already have. you can't call it universal healthcare if it is going to create an additional financial burden upon families and single people's ability to pay what they are already obligated to afford. Universal healthcare shouldn't be forced upon people (mandated). The only absolute beneficiary of mandated healthcare is the healthcare industry (one of her biggest contributors). For those of you who are hillary clinton supporters advise her to at least detail her plan to the public (oh yeah, you to john). This way the public can compare diffrences and you can support your candidate with facts instead of emotion and blind trust.

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Sam — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:34:36 GMT

After reading Mark Murray's jab, "Another Clinton Jab on Health Care" and his pro Obama slant, I can see how he sets you people up to fight.

You are Democrats and you are fighting like immature little kids about not a nickels worth of difference in Hillary, Edward's, or Obama's health care plans.

NO WONDER HILLARY COULDN'T GET HEALTH CARE BACK IN 1993...neither could anyone else.

No one will get it in 2008-20012 either. If Democrats are attacking each other NOW, just imagine what will happen when the Republicans who do not want any form of health care get into the fight.

So ...Obama-ites, Health care insurance is dead. Good luck in paying for yours when all industries cut off pay for workers.

You poor pitful people. Sounds like a bunch of schoolyard bullies.

I'm not a bit sorry for your Obamaites who don't want to work with anyone else...but I'm sorry for the rest of us who will not have affordable health insurance.

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Nashville_fan — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:52:32 GMT

I echo the sentiments of John M. from San Diego.

The only thing I could add is that I am not here to attack Hillary. I am her to DEFEND Barack Obama from the campaign of misinformation that is being waged against him.

If my efforts prove unsuccesful, and Hillary Clinton is the nominee, I suppose I will have to hold my nose and vote for her.

I take my time to post here because I feel it is important to make it known that I am serious about my candidate, I believe in what he is trying to accomplish, and I am willing to put my time and money towards that end.

If 8 years of presidential insanity don't motivate you to get involved, nothing will. Consider me motivated.

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Is that the best you can come up with, a fake note???? — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:52:47 GMT

Wow Sen. Clinton....that's some weak sh*t. Your sh*t weak, sh*ts weak...

Quote from the movie: Grandma's Boy

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Disgusted — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:54:25 GMT

Attack, attack, attack, Obama-ites with the help of Firt Read and crackpots like little Chrissie Matthews on MSNBC Hardball.

If Obama had a plan that only covered people who were NOT baby boomers, you'd be for it.

If Obama's plan only covered people over 55 year, you'd be for it.

If your skin color had to be purple and green to qualify for Obama's plan you'd be for it.

NO ONE...NO PRESIDENT either Democratic or Republilcan will ever be able to have a health care plan in this country with your bullying, my way or none attitudes.

And the Obama-ites blame Hillary for not getting a health care plan passes in 1993.

If the Democrats are fighting among themselves on Health care, just imagine what it will be like when the Republicans who do not want it at all join the fight.

GOOD BYE afforadable health care.
HELLO rich and richer insurance companies.
GOOD BYE quality health care

Just hope none of you Obama-ites get really sick and need expensive treatment unless you are all rich and don't care if you are left behind or not.

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ace p washington, d.c. — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:08:46 GMT

I agree with the comment made by mitchell. hillary is a liability. i believe she will ignite the conservative and neocon base. they have been somewhat dormant for a long time because they weren't happy with their choices. now they are coming back to life because of the dislike and disdain they have for hillary. this may not be fair, but it is true. they will come out to vote in numbers like they did for pres.bush just to defeat hillary. hillary says she can fight the republican attack machine. we don't need more partisan fighting in this country. that has already broken our goverment and divided the people of this country. we need a candidate that will bring the goverment back together. that is the oly way we will benefit. i respect everyones choice of a candidate of choice. i just want to hear facts. for the person that said you can read the facts of hillary's proposed healthcare plan. the written plan that is available is on the plan that failed previously. hillary has not released in any kind of detail what her new concept of universal healthcare consists of except that she will mandate it. look people no matter who wins we better be ready to support whoever wins the general election for the democrats or we will end up with another republican president that will represent corporate america and the sale of america. I think hillary will cost us the general election. sorry, it is likely true.

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Sarah — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:10:31 GMT

Michael:
Thank you for your comment. I agree with you that Mark needs to investigate further. It is clear that the letters are so similiar that they have been written by one person. I suspect the Clinton Campaign drafted the letters and asked known supporters who happened to be healthcare workers to sign them.

I have been involved in something similiar (although, for a better cause). The Save Darfur Coalition will sometimes send its member a draft "Letter to the Editor" or "Letter to your Senator". I am always happy to sign and send these, because, as I said, it is for a good cause.

I think Hillary has seriously underestimated the intelligence of the Iowan citizens. They will see through this in a New York minute.

The more I look at it, the more I believe it will backfire.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:01:03 GMT

CitizenJ (Sent Thursday, November 29, 2007 5:58 PM)

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/healthcareplan/

Please read.

Van
(You're better than that.)

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Johnny V. — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:39:36 GMT

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Mary — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:38:15 GMT

From NY Times when Obama announced his plan:

“Voters will see more similarities than differences in the Democratic candidates’ plans, and I think the edge will go to the candidate who convinces voters they can forge a consensus in Congress and get things done,” said Drew Altman, president of the Kaiser Family Foundation, a health research group.

Stuart Altman of Brandeis, who served in the Nixon administration and has advised many candidates and politicians since, said the Obama plan had major similarities not just to other Democratic proposals, but also to the Massachusetts health plan passed under Mitt Romney, now a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, when he was governor. Both are efforts to build on the existing system, with a mix of employer-based coverage and expanded public programs. But Mr. Altman said there were also differences, notably that the Obama plan puts more responsibilities on employers and focuses more on controlling costs, and avoids a requirement in the Romney plan that individuals buy coverage."

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Jesse, Burnsville, MN — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:07:40 GMT

To all of you Clinton lovers,

The reason I am a Clinton "hater" is because I am a passionate Democrat that believes people like Hillary are ruining our party (along with Harry Reid). Democrats use to stand up for the little "guy". Now, so many like Clinton are fully funded by corporations and lobbyists, it makes me sick. The fact that she is pro-war doesn't help either. Don't tell me she isn't by the way! She has not admitted that she made a mistake on Iraq (because she doesn't think that she did), plus she is helping the neo-cons with Iran.

So, you Clinton lovers, I don't need to hear any lecturing from you. I WANT CHANGE NOW and Hillary is NOT going to provide it. If she wins the nomination, I will not vote for her. What would be the point, she is just the female version of Giuliani? If you don't see that, you are not paying attention.

Obama can provide the most immediate change for America on domestic issues, as well as foreign relations. And, no, I don't work for his campaign. In fact, I had mostly supported Edwards up until recently. It's just very easy to respect and support somebody who is willing to tell you the truth no matter how much you don't want to hear it.

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Dave Sekerak — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:20:54 GMT

Interesting that all these letters were from nurses and all women. Not one doctor or hospital?? Not one man? Smacks of politics, not healthcare.

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Lisa, Columbia, MO — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:53:28 GMT

I still don't know which Democrat I'd like to get the nod, so I'm not a Hillary lover or a Hillary hater, BUT....

These letters sound incredibly suspicious. I could see people writing Obama and explaining why they think he's wrong not to cover everyone. But, why would you specifically mention another candidate - and just that candidate - and in every letter? Two of them even have the same exact, verbatim sentence: "Hillary Clinton has proposed a health care plan that would provide universal coverage for every American."

That's just way too coincidental to me...

This woman is shooting herself in the foot, planting people to ask questions at debates/rallies and now probably this.

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Jeff — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:10:01 GMT

This is in response to the people asking about why we write on here, and if we are paid. God that would be cool if I got paid!!
For me the question is why not Hillary because I will support any Democratic canidate except Hillary, why?
Well first, let me tell you about myself, I make a decent living I'm a union carpenter and actually consider myself a independent because I think both parties are currupt.My voting history is: Bush-88, Perot-92,Clinton-96,Gore-2000,Kerry-04 and hopefully Obama '08.
Now the question, I don't hate Clinton, I liked Bill but to me Hillary is politics as usual and she doesn't connect to the average person like Bill did. I just have a feeling she would sell her (and our soul) to be president. I feel Obama got into public service to help people, I think Hillary is in politics to help herself. And quite honestily I feel stronger about this the more I watch them both.
Take this Health care debate. Personally I think America needs Universal Health care, not universal health insurance, a big portion of the bill is the insurance itself. (By the way I have Health insurance, but the hiden cost are so much I can only use it for emergancies only, which makes these RN's letters mute in my opinion) So I don't like Obama or Hillary's plan really, but to me Obama tells it like he see's it, and Hillary will say anything to get in office.
Thats the point, I'm tired of being lied to by my government, I'm tired of hidden government, and I'm tired of big business owing our government. Yes Bush has brought that to an extreme level but lets face it Bill did it, I'm sure every president I have voted for did it too. And Obama probeily will too, but I don't think he is to the extreme of someone like Hilary. Too me experance in politics is not a good thing, I'm a recovering alky, 16 years now, in AA your not suppose to hold a position more then two years, why because some smart people figured that after you got really good at your position you could figure out its weaknesses. And lets face it Cheney and Rove have found alot of weaknesses in our government and exploted them to the max.

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Nashville_fan — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:37:35 GMT

To me, the Clinton campaign has created the negative dynamic about this issue by continuing to use the line "Obama's plan leaves out 15 million Americans". That is a deliberately misleading statement that creates the illusion that Hillary Clinton would provided healthcare for all Americans. Simply put, that's not true.

Also, I find it laughable that the posters here that support Senator Clinton are accusing those that don't agree with them of "piling on". Why does that sound so familiar?

The reason you are encountering so much resistance is because there are lots of people don't agree with you. Simple as that. Could it be that the heat in the kitchen is getting a little hotter than anticipated?

Another Clinton jab on health care

ace p washington d.c. — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:50:26 GMT

to disgusted, i am not a hillary hater. i am not going to say who i support at this time. i will say that i am an independent that is still deciding. what i do make sure i do i listen to what the candidates are actually saying. i read at every opportunity to research the factual and non-factual. i check out sites that offer actual facts and statistics on voting as well as past stances on issues. i don't like verbal parsing. i like to hear actual details and stances even if i don't agree. that is a testament to a persons integrity. i don't any candidate should slam another if they aren't going to detail what they are specificall try to acheive on that same issue as a matter of record. Obama, edwards, biden, dodd, richardson, kucinich, huckabee,thompson, paul and more have said things i don't agree with. i don't expect every or anyone candidate to align 100% with what i want or believe. what i do want is not to offer every town hall meeting, debate or constituency everytime a candidate what they want to hear or not hear. if you give everything that everyone wants the country would be in a bigger deficit than it is now. so that approach in itself gives me pause. i want hillary to stop answering with i will form a commision and come up with an answer. that isn't telling me a thing. take a stance. don't change it after you find that it is unpopular. that isn't leadership. that is waffling. however, if ms. clinton were to win i would support her because she would be my president. i don't think you can blame this site for the views of the people involved no more you can blame them for how you think. they offer this site as a chance to voice your opinion as a lively debate of issues on differences of opinions and beliefs, not to show any type of biased towards any on candidate. what do you think of people saying the cnn is the clinton news network? is that fair? what i do care about is that we do not get a bush type candidate back in the white house such as guliani, romney or mccain. for the betterment of our country i think we should avoid that possibility. i don't think hillary would be like bush or those three. i am deciding still. truthfulness and directness counts for me. not pieces of or tidbits. that was hillary has given so far. and i don't vote because of gender or color. i vote for who shows me that they can bring a fundamental change from polotics as usual in washington, d.c. for this great u.s. of a.

Another Clinton jab on health care

ace p washington, d.c. — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:15:13 GMT

on the issue of healthcare. i am fortunate enough to have experienced both sides of this issue. i had surgery to remove cancer just a few years ago. at that time i had health insurance. two years later i had another surgery for something very different. i was without insurance because i had decided to make a career change and didn't think i would need to cover myself through cobra because the time lapse was only going to be 60 days. i was wrong. however, during this time i had financial obligations that were monumental during that 4 month period that i was out of work. if i had been on a mandated health plan i would have not been able to pay for something. would it have been my home, car, utility bill, auto insurance or the mandated plan itself. that isn't even considering day to day expenses. hillary may have a plan. edwards may have a plan. i just want to hear it in detail. just telling me it would be mandated doesn't tell me it will be affordable. i need to hear that it is and how it is going to be beneficial to me to have forced healthcare. i want to know that i can afford it. i want to know that i am not going to be required to pay a $500. fine if my mother needs financial help at her a age that only i can provide and can't pay the mandated premium. what do i do? not care of mom. not make the house payment? not pay the utility bill? not pay the car insurance? not put gas in the car to get to work? not buy groceries? not send my child on a field trip? obama has said he would do certain things to make it affordable. he has said he respects my right as an american citizen to choose. the other candidates want to take my right of choice away. they don't have the same financial burdens we have or at least the capability to afford the those burdens. they have a lot more money than us. the only absolute beneficiary from a mandated healthcare plan that i can see is the health industry as a whole. it is gauranteed winfall for them. it is an insurance plan to non-deferred additional riches. do you think that you aren't going to be taxed for mandated healthcare? you will be and you will be forced to pay a premium on top of that tax increase. think about it. don't blindly say it is o.k. because a certain candidate says so. check it out. listen to what is being said. check the facts yourself. don't listen to the staged representations by camoaigns that say listen to these experts from the industry. research those experts. you will probaly find they are fat cats from the industry looking out for their own interests. it will be hard to undo wants it is made law. you best be sure people. if i am wrong on my views someone please enlighten me. i am not closed minded. i just have had only one candidate give me details as to what attempts he would make as to make sure i am not adversely affected and maintain my right of choice as an american and by the constitution of this great country. don't you folks get it. mandated healthcare is the sale of the century for corporate healthcare industry. think about it, please.

Another Clinton jab on health care

Amazed, Atlanta — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:40:50 GMT

God, some of you on this site are such fools. If you really want universal healthcare, you have to support Edwards or Clinton. Obama's plan, is not universal. Sorry, but that's the reality.

Another Clinton jab on health care

Amazed, Atlanta — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:40:51 GMT

God, some of you on this site are such fools. If you really want universal healthcare, you have to support Edwards or Clinton. Obama's plan, is not universal. Sorry, but that's the reality.

Another Clinton jab on health care

ace p washington d.c. — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:52:51 GMT

amazed, check yourself for foolishness and stop insulting people. it is a sign of ignorance.

Another Clinton jab on health care

CitizenJ — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:03:34 GMT

CitizenJ (Sent Thursday, November 29, 2007 5:58 PM)

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/healthcareplan/

Please read.

Van
(You're better than that.)
vanreuter, NY NY (Sent Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:01 PM)

Thanks, Van, but I have read it. No matter how many times she tells herself she is better, her plan is no better than Obama's, and she will not get it passed. Does she think the Republicans will lose ALL of their seats in Congress? THERE IS NO WAY - NO WAY - REPUBLICANS WILL VOTE FOR MANDATED HEALTHCARE. Hell, they won't even vote to expand SCHIP! We can read her plan all we want. I've read it twice. How many times have you read it? Guess what, she still can't pass it. She couldn't pass it in the '90s, and she can't pass it now. Here's why: Her MANDATED healthcare plan sounds so wonderful here in the wonderful world of the Democratic primary season. Everyone wants it. But guess what, if she wins the nomination, suddenly 50% of the electorate will be against it. Republicans WILL NEVER VOTE FOR MANDATED HEALTHCARE. It won't matter how good the plan actually is, or how many times your or I read it, they won't vote for it. They won't. We both know that. I am as hopeful as anyone that we will someday have much more affordable healthcare, but it won't be in 2009 with mandated coverage - under any president. Guaranteed. By diverting attention away from the fact that she has NO WAY of actually mandating this coverage (I don't care what her plan says), she is - GASP - playing the same old style of politics. What will her excuse be in 2012 when she still hasn't passed healthcare reform? She won't be able to hide behind Bill again.

Let's be hopeful, but let's also be realistic. She can't bash someones else's plan, when her's is just as bad as the others.

Another Clinton jab on health care

Sane in UT — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:32:21 GMT

If you mandate healthcare does that mean we can deport illegal imigrants for showing up without it? Or do we issue it with a drivers license? You might as well call it a crime to be poor. I did not realize until HRC informed me that 100K a year was middle class that I am poor. Crap!! I used to be content

Another Clinton jab on health care

Val, San Diego CA — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:43:33 GMT

I wish Americans can make their own honest opinion about issues like this or any other one during this political process, and stop the bandwagon effect thingy of just critizing because every body else seems to do as if that is what makes them patriotic or American, or they think that is what the press is doing rightly or not. This is what gave you Americans George Bush, though now everybody is abandoning him because he is tanking. Before he was elected and the Iraq process, it was just gong-hoo about everything he said or tried as much as he can to articulate. Now the circle starts again, no attempt at understanding or intelligent discuss or inquiry but just critize and join the bandwagon. As a foreigner I am ashamed of this kind of politics. "GOODLUCK AMERICA" At this rate, we will wake up and find another poor soul pushed over the cliff of American Gonghooism, in a position to occupy the white house, and the circle continues.

Another Clinton jab on health care

Felix Littleton CO — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:25:32 GMT

Is this the same Hillary who calls any criticism of her plans or policies or voting record or favorite lobbyists attack politics. The same one who whines about the "boys" ganging up on her? When she attacks its substance. When she is attacked it's mud slinging. And when she tells ridiculous lies, like she thought Bush was going to use those war powers she voted to hand him on a silver platter for more diplomacy, even though more than three quarters of ordinary Americans polled were fully aware that he intended to go to war no matter what, what's that? At least Edwards and Biden admit they really screwed that up. Why do I suspect she's the one who came up with the "it depends on what the meaning of is is" line in the first place? Sounds just like her.

Another Clinton jab on health care

RG, Houston, TX — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:58:43 GMT

People who keep up with the news all know that Hillary plants anything that she thinks will make her look good. The sad part is that the majority of the Hillary supporters either support her because they think she's the inevitable choice, or because she's married to Bill. Smart democrats all support Obama, Edwards, Biden, or Richardson, no matter how hopeless the last three may be.