Rudy, Iowa Christians, a tough sell

H P Boston — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 20:43:38 GMT

RUDY, INTELIGENT VOTERS, A TOUGH SELL

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Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:13:36 GMT

Bloodbath?

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juan,ft lauderdale, fl — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:37:41 GMT

The Iowa Christian Alliance more like the HATE MONGERS ASSOCIATION OF WHITE RASCIST HOMOPHOBES.

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Keir — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:52:47 GMT

Better a bloodbath at the polls than in another third-world country the Republics wish to annex.

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drudgereader — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:52:47 GMT

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MotherMomOrama, WA State — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:52:53 GMT

Huckabee is the one we christian conservatives are going to vote for...not Rudy, so listen up electoral college.

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Dan, Atlanta, GA — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:54:38 GMT

He's right and Huckabee is a Rudy pawn.

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D M — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:56:29 GMT

Mike Huckabee is the only viable candidate that is in touch with the SoCon base and has a record to prove it. Once the FisCons see past the negative attacks and find out that Huckabee's fiscal record is, in fact, reasonably conservative - then Huckabee will shoot right on up to the nomination and the presidency.

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W Wahlen HB,CA — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:56:54 GMT

A vote for Huckabee is a vote for Rudy!

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Valerie, Pensacola FL — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:57:12 GMT

Pff! I thought the Republican Party base was pro-small business, in favor of low taxes and cutting spending, and for personal freedom.

Rudy is a pro-Constitution sort of guy. The majority of Americans, or even Republicans, are not pro-life evangelicals. They need to get over themselves. We gave you George Bush, and what did we get? Overspending.

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Steve O., Seattle, WA — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:58:28 GMT

When will these boneheads learn -- THE PRESIDENT HAS VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH ABORTION AND MARRIAGE ISSUES.

If evangelicals smugly refuse to support a moderate candidate like Giuliani, ROmney, or McCain, the result is clear: HILLARY WILL BE PRESIDENT.

Arrogant social conservatives will hand the entire country over to ULTRA-LIBERAL DEMOCRATS is they persist in this purist approach to candidates. Huckabee CANNOT beat Hillary. No pro-life social conservative can. Sorry, folks, but even with God on your side, you don't have the votes.

Giuliani is plenty conservative on all the issues a President actually deals with. Even more importantly, he can win the general election in a year where the entire Republican Party has been disgraced and discredited by an unpopular war, crazy spending, etc.

My social conservative friends, you will HAVE TO compromise in 2008, otherwise you might as well just cast your vote for Hillary. Every vote for Huckabee, or anyone like him, is another vote for Clinton.

Note to HP in Boston: intelligent voters generally know how to spell inteligent [sic].

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JH — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:58:39 GMT

This is the problem with the Republican Party. Single issue religious groups will hand the Oval Office to the Dems.

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John Cartter, Iowa — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:59:45 GMT

It's impossible for rational people to gain support from these type of groups, so why try?

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A B Memphis, Tn — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:59:56 GMT

Rudy is center, center. He will win the nomination and the white house. Many democrats will vote for him.

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mike gatch, bham,al — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:00:42 GMT

I am sick of these so called Christian alliances stating they speak for conservative Christians. I am a conservative Christian and I AM VOTING FOR RUDY! It's either Rudy or Hillary, you do the math!

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Erik - Minnesota — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:01:06 GMT

I still can't figure out why Rudy doesn't run for the democratic nomination, a RINO like him would fit in wonderfully there.

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TS, Arkansas — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:01:27 GMT

Yeah, bloodbath for the Republicans. We wont vote for Rudy PERIOD. he needs to run as a Dem. The reasons we wont vote for Rudy are the same ones we wont vote for Hillary, Obama, Edwards etc...

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Bob, OK City, OK — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:02:47 GMT

Evangelical Christians supporting a Mormon is also ludicrous. Maybe the secret underwear is working after all.

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RightStuff — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:03:47 GMT

What an idiot this guy Sheffler is! Bloodbath? Hyperbole? No, just stupidity. It is idiots like this guy who will give us Hillary for president.

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joe d, sc, pa — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:06:12 GMT

Well, if Huckabee gets elected I'll vote for the democrat (and thats a pretty rare event for me). Huckabee - basically a democrat on taxes, immigration, and healthcare - but also a creationist southern baptist who interprets every word of the bible literally.

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Tom Harold, Breckenridge, CO — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:08:02 GMT

Yeah - it will really be a bloodbath. What a moron this this guy Steve Scheffler is. Give Christians the choice between Rudy and Hillary and the Christians will take any Republican candidate over Hillary. Hillary takes so many positions she can't remember which one in a 2 minute answer in the Democratic debates.

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Mike Frazier Winter Park Florida — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:08:08 GMT

Who cares ?
These guys are all the same.
Bush meets with Hillary and some of his staff has joined her campaign. He was the answer for conservatives when he ran before - remember ? Don't bother to vote this time. Just let it happen ! Stay home and enjoy what time we have left.
Really !

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JB NY NY — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:08:12 GMT

VIVA RUDY!!

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gerald clough, laramie, WY — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:11:19 GMT

Rudy G is an A-hole.

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john smith, valencia, Ca — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:11:28 GMT

Being a right common Baptist, sort of Christian myself, I see the destruction of America has been done by claming Christians. At least the Morman man has morals and dorsn't lie like others who have to remain nameless here, but you can name them I'll bet.

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Joel Morse, Mesa, AZ — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:12:11 GMT

If Rudy gets the nomination, Ron Paul will get the support of the Christian Right for his third party run.

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Joel, Tempe, AZ — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:12:56 GMT

H P Boston says "Rudy, Inteligent voters, a tough sell"

When someone tries to make a point and sound intelligent in a comment section, and spells intelligent, "inteligent", it kind of invalidates their point. I'm not a huge Rudy fan, but a bloodbath? C'mon...

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Radulovich, Detroit, Michigan — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:13:22 GMT

Oh, yeah. This is MSNBC, home of perkie kati and perkie tommy. How's that workin' for ya'll?
Let's see....Hillary vs. Rudy. And you want me to believe that the people of this country are that stupid? lol. Lyin'lamestreammedia=msnbc.
Signed, a true patriot.

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Gavin O'Dwyer — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:16:06 GMT

These are the same holier than thou people who stabbed America in the back in 2000 and put us through a national agony. They stabbed America in again in 2006 "I'm way too holy and conservative to vote for MY Republican congressman because there is a gay Republican congressman in Florida."

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Ilia Kuryakin, State College, PA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:17:27 GMT

Bloodbath? Would the social conservatives REALLY prefer Hillary to Rudy? Hillary will bring back late term abortions with an Executive Order during her first 24 hours in office. That's your bloodbath.

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Dave Perkins, Irving Texas — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:17:40 GMT

We are not voting for PASTOR IN CHIEF!

I am a committed Christian and I wish our 'base' was half as interested in DEFEATING Hillary as it seems to be in NOT voting for anyone who isn't James Dobson....

You want to talk bloodbath? (odd metaphor for a Christian guy)

How about when Hillary starts talking tougher on the war for the general election and Mike Huckabee starts in with how taxpayers should give everything to the children of illegals because it isn't their fault?

Let's see the big picture here, shall we? The president cannot submit legislation, therefore he is irrelevant to the abortion debate unless he VETOES a law overturning Roe, and Rudy already says he won't do that. He also says he'll nominate strict constitutionalists.

He would be a much much much better president than Hillary, and if the Christian base can't make themselves vote for him, they deserve the Godforsaken socialist paradise they'll get. I will vote for Rudy, because I think he's the best leader of the bunch.. and that's what we need in that office.. a leader, not a pastor.. we have plenty of pastors..

This isn't rocket science, or even rocket theology.

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Lance CA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:17:43 GMT

A bloodbath at the polls? I must be missing the metaphor. Maybe its a Hillary/partial birth abortion thing...

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jack — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:17:51 GMT

Conservatives simply want a candidate who puts America first, and will return to the core principles of limited government. In short, another Ronald Reagan. The big-government clowns who have run the Republican party for the past ten years (our president included) are dangerously out of touch with the base. We want the department of education ended, not doubled in size (thanks W). We want the 1st amendment strengthened, not hobbled (again, W, Campaign Finance Reform), and the BORDERS ENFORCED/ILLEGALS THROWN OUT. Enough is enough.

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Jonesy, Pa — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:18:30 GMT

"Life issues". What is this, 1984? Cut out the newspeak and just say the word, abortion. 'Choice issues' would be just as ridiculous.

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kellamd, chicago, il — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:20:49 GMT

Hmmm...I fail to see how republicans can lead America into the 21st century. Trying to screw gays, mexicans and women is not an winning agenda for America to compete against china and india. Republicans are so busy trying to take America back to the 19th century that they forgot we have to compete in the 21st century.

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Richard J — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:23:16 GMT

If Huckabee wins Iowa and Romney wins New Hampshire, giuliani will win the nomination. The Iowa Christian Alliance and all social conservatives need to decide to support the same non-Giuliani candidate - Now. Otherwise, we'll be left to choose the lesser of two liberals next November.

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Jael Mendoça — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:24:13 GMT

The base. How very apt for this domestic terrorist. See Patriot Act:
(5) the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that--

`(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;

`(B) appear to be intended--

`(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

`(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

`(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

`(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.'.

This: "If our party nominates this guy," he told a crowd at a Dubuque gathering of the ICA, "we will see a bloodbath at the polls like we've never seen before."
can and should be construed as a threat to the voters of Iowa.

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Bill, Chardon, Ohio — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:24:21 GMT

Hey: "Blood bath." Allegorical, methphorical or not, I, as an Evangelical will vote for Gulianni ANY DAY before ANY democrat.

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Ward Sacramento, Ca — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:24:36 GMT

I always find it disconcerting when alleged Christians refer to the imagery of "bloodbaths."

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Josh — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:27:04 GMT

How about the bloodbath in Iraq you support so much?

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Mike R, Notre Dame, IN — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:34:43 GMT

We will see a bloodbath at the polls? Give me a break! These people will still vote for Giuliani if he wins the Republican nomination. What is their alternative ... Hillary Clinton? To conservatives, she is the anti-Christ.

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AG, New York, NY — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:35:30 GMT

We New Yorkers know Rudy has hoodwinked you outsiders. You don't know him for the pathologically cruel tyrant that he is.

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Richards J — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:36:52 GMT

Voting for Giuliani IS voting for a democrat.

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Dubya — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:37:56 GMT

Democrats are scum.

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Chris, Milwaukee, WI — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:42:11 GMT

Unfortunately, I don't see any Republican (be they religous or not) beating Hillary. Our candidates are not strong this go around. Jeb Bush should run however his brother has hurt the Bush name.

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Chris, Milwaukee, WI — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:42:48 GMT

Unfortunately, I don't see any Republican (be they religous or not) beating Hillary. Our candidates are not strong this go around. Jeb Bush should run however his brother has hurt the Bush name.

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Charles Houston Texas — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:44:07 GMT

Huck is just another Bush. Phyllis Schlafly, president of the national Eagle Forum, is even more blunt. "He destroyed the conservative movement in Arkansas, and left the Republican Party a shambles," she says. "Yet some of the same evangelicals who sold us on George W. Bush as a 'compassionate conservative' are now trying to sell us on Mike Huckabee." Betsy Hagan, Arkansas director of the conservative Eagle Forum and a key backer of his early runs for office, was once "his No. 1 fan." She was bitterly disappointed with his record. "He was pro-life and pro-gun, but otherwise a liberal," she says. "Just like Bill Clinton he will charm you, but don't be surprised if he takes a completely different turn in office." and there's plenty more like this on old Huck too... source: http://opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110010782

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Steven Rinehart, Denver — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:45:35 GMT

GO ROMNEY!!!!!!!1

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Ross, Morgan Hill, CA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:46:54 GMT

What this country needs is a change...where everyone is important, not just right or left. Jesus said to love our neighbors as we love him. Forget illegal immigration, gay marriage, "don't ask, don't tell"...these issues are insignificant to re-uniting this country. My vote is for Huckabee or Obama. I would be happy with either.

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John Day sr. Garden Grove California — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:47:11 GMT

If it comes down between Rudy or Oboma, I still vote Rudy no matter what, if it where the NY witch Hillary or Rudy I still would vote Rudy, but I do want someone else to be the GOP candidate, I like Huckabee or someone of faith! I would vote for the devil before I would ever vote for Hilary. Beware in 2012 Oboma will be a huge force, Hillary is already a flamed out star to nowhere and in 2012 she will a zero ! She looses 10 out 10 primaries by huge numbers, Oboma will be the Demonicrats candidate and will loose the general election by a good margin, he will be the Manchurian Candidate in 2012 and will tough to beat!

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PissedVet, Boston — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:47:19 GMT

What difference does it make? No matter who goes in, D or R, the deficit will continue to swell, the wall will never be built, the illegal invasion will continue unabated, and the country will march on in a 9/10 daze that can only result in a holocaust here in one form or another.

If only a legit third party candidate who represents the true will of the American public, then I might feel something other than apathy and resignation. Once again I see myself holding my nose as I pull the lever for the lesser of two evils.

If only George S. Patton Jr. was a write-in candidate. It would be nice to finally have someone with testicular fortitude in the White House OTHER than Hillary Clinton!

God help the United States of America.

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Steve Koz Dallas, TX — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:48:43 GMT

i am not voting for the first time in my life. i have come to the conclusion that it really doesnt matter who is in the white house. Its just two sides of the same evil coin.

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Chuck, Kennesaw, GA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:49:10 GMT

Vote against Huckabee and Rudy!

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don b charlotte nc — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:50:29 GMT

Ron Paul!

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Tom, Davenport, Iowa — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:51:17 GMT

I'm an Iowan and a Christian. This nutjob does not represent me nor any Iowa Christians I know of. A black eye for Christians everywhere. If Republicans want to regain strength, it's time to throw guys like this overboard, and let them fester in their irrelevance.

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Edward — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:51:23 GMT

DrudeReport alert!
Any comment linked orm Drudge gets 90% responses from paid political operatives. Please ignore them all.

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Frank, Juneau, Alaska — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:52:59 GMT

Regardless of your opinion(s) one way or the other, do get out and vote. If all a woman needs to do to make a man happy is show up, so should you... at the voting booth.

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TJD, BARRINGTON, IL. — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:57:06 GMT

IF YOU VOTE HUCKABEE, YOU WILL END UP WITH HILLARY.

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Jared, Brooklyn, NY — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:58:20 GMT

Rudy will bring down the GOP if he's the nominee. Romney is the real deal! We need to nominate Romney! Huckabee has NO chance of winning, so why waste a vote on him? A vote for Huckabee IS a vote for Rudy, so don't waste it on Huckabee. VOTE ROMNEY if you want the GOP to beat Hillary.

Jared
Brooklyn, NY

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Dennis — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:00:01 GMT

Look at their RECORDS...all of them...eliminate all the clever sound bites and sarcastic knee-jerk statements and PLEASE just take the time to study the candidate's HISTORICAL VOTING RECORD. I am a Christian conservative and a strong Ron Paul supporter because I took the time to look into all of them. Your conclusions may be different, who knows...but you should take a look yourself.

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MACHINE GOD BALOR — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:02:53 GMT

Juan, Ft. Lauderdale:

Just because someone doesn't think exactly like you doesn't make them a racist, you ignorant tool.

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George Faull, Peru In. — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:03:11 GMT

I beg to differ with these alleged leaders of Christians. I am a Christian, I am extremely conservative. I am anti illegal immingration. I am anti abortion, anti sodomy of either sex, anti higher taxes, anti welfare, and pro marriage, pro gun, and pro captial punishment but I am sick of media inferring Dobson or anyone else speaks for me as a Christian. I will make my own mind up come November next year and these men are making Christians hated just as Falwell did. They no more speak or represent me than Jackson and Sharpton speaks for blacks. These two latters predjudices whites against Blacks. These so call Christians predjudice people against Christians. Blood bath indeed! What an exspression for a professed leader of those who follow the Prince of Peace.They speak evil of the leaders of their people. This we are not allowed to do as Christians.

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Joe, Boise, Idaho — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:05:03 GMT

I find it funny that people get all bent out of shape about this. Imagine this - a pro-life Dem running for President! What would the Deb "base" have to say about that?

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Jeff — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:07:10 GMT

Rudy is so far to the left on important issues you can't tell him from Hildebeast.
RUDY MUST NOT BE NOMINATED!

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Mike, Denver — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:07:56 GMT

A Reagan Republican? Let's see, under President Reagan I don't remember abortion being restricted. Under President Reagan I don't remember prayer being returned to school. Under President Reagan I don't remember him wearing his religion on his sleeve to champion the evangelical movement.

President Reagan rode the fiscal conservatism horse and the strong national defense horse. Sounds an awful lot like Rudy Giluiani to me. Social conservatives, Rudy will not do anything different than Reagan did on social issues. Hillary/Obama will. Rudy will advance fiscal conservatism. Hillary/Obama won't. Rudy will aggressively defend this nation against radical Islam. Hillary/Obama won't.

Please, support your primary candidate as strongly as you can, knock on doors delivering flyers, make phone calls to get out the vote, lick envelopes, write checks. Do everything possible to help your preferred candidate win the primary. But, if at the end of the day your candidate does not win, you will elect Hillary who WILL repeal the partial birth abortion ban, who WILL repeal parental notification laws, who WILL repeal waiting periods, who WILL gut any public display of God including ridding public squares of Christmas displays, who WILL legalize gay marriage. She will do all of this by appointing more ACLU Ruth Ginsberg judges to the Supreme Court, and she will fill the swing judge Stevens' seat.

You are playing a high stakes game in sitting out the election out of your dislike for any of the Republican nominees. Everything that you care about WILL be changed for the worse under Hillary/Obama. In contrast, with Rudy the worst you get is status quo, which is exactly what Reagan left you with. Do not be reckless with your vote if you don't get your way in the primary.

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Jerry Scottsdale AZ — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:08:47 GMT

Josh, would you prefer to have the terrorists here attacking civilians? I have voted Republican for Prez. since 1988, but am so disgusted by all of these clowns I just might go with the third party canidate. If Hillary gets in she will make such a mess, maybe a real conservative will run in 2012. I am tired of compromising and getting presidents Bush. He is about as conservative as Guliani when you get right down to it - he is just liberal on different issues.

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Rocketman, Russiaville Indiana — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:09:07 GMT

The only true conservative running for president as a Republican or Democract is Ron Paul and that's who I support. If anyone other than Paul is the Republican nominee then whoever is the Democract nominee is going to win because of the mess in Iraq. Paul has the support of many other independant and libertarian voters and that translates to votes that will keep someone like Hillary from being the next president.

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Bill, Glendale CA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:12:38 GMT

Huckster Huckabee is a RINO flim-flam man and Bush clone owned lock, stock, and barrel by the illegal alien employing Tyson Food Mob that wants open borders and SHAMnesty. His disingenuous support for illegal aliens and SHAMnesty has nothing to do with his claims of "Christian compassion" and everything to do with getting as much cheap slave labor for his greedy Tyson benefactors as possible.

Don't drink Huckster Huckabee's Kool-Aid. Rockefeller RINO Bush ran as a Reaganite too. Romney is as close to a Reaganite there is among the first tier candidates and forget Rudy-he's worse than Huckster Huckabee.

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Houston Texas — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:12:43 GMT

Scheffler is exactly right. If Rudy is nominated, the Christian evangelicals will stay away in droves just as 5 million of them did in 2000 when Bush's drunk driving episode 20 years ago came to light. If all those folks stayed away over something that occurred 20 years ago, what will happen when an unfaithful to his wife, homosexual rights, pro-abortion candidate is on the ballot! Thing is, he will destroy the rest of the ticket below him since Christian conservatives will stay away and won't be there to vote for those offices either. Scheffler got it right. I trust the GOP won't be so stupid.

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Linda, Philadelphia — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:12:58 GMT

As a fiscal conservative and small business owner, I will not vote for Huckabee. Period. If he is on the nominee, I will stay home and not waste my time.

I have usually voted for the Republican candidate because of his position on fiscal issues and have no strong feelings on the social issues these conservative Christians hold so dear.

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Martha — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:12:59 GMT

Dear Mr.Sheffler vote for Mr. Giuliani.He said he will nomimate Conservative Supreme Court Judges.They are the only ones who have the power to changed the laws of our Land.The rest is division and confusion of the Republican BASE .The world is not perfect and we have to do the best we can. Martha

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Alan Harrison, Kansas — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:13:14 GMT

In Kansas, Republicans are voting Democrat to get rid of the right-wing evangelical bastards. (look up Phil Kline and see the dirty tricks the Republicans pulled in Kansas this year)

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PJ, London, United Kingdom — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:13:58 GMT

Huckabee is only real social, fiscal and security leader in the running. Don't succumb to anyone telling you that your vote for Huckabee is a wasted one. This couldn't be further from the truth.

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Mauricio Behar, Miami lakes florida — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:14:39 GMT

So we oppose Rudy as christians, and we elect Satan in disguise Hillary, who will appoint judges to the supreme court that will continue to kill the unborn. What have we gained. Wake up Americans.

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Lee Anthony Nieves, Charlotte, NC — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:15:03 GMT

Oh puhleeeze, people. Rudy Giuliani is the better of all the GOP field. He's strong, articulate and very intelligent. He'll bring this nation together and give the liberals plenty of bloody noses.

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kevin Dean, jersey city, NJ — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:15:18 GMT

Rudy doesn't need to win Iowa to get the nomination!

Rudy wouldn't be the first president to lose Iowa in the primaries!

Rudy can win without Christian conservatives!

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re humphry — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:15:32 GMT

Actually, according to a Dick Morris article, Mike Huckabee is a fiscal conservative -
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DickMorrisandEileenMcGann/2007/11/28/mike_huckabee_is_a_fiscal_conservative. The other press reports trying label him as tax and spend were incorrect.

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Chris Richardson, DC — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:16:36 GMT

So basically we should vote for someone in the primaries who holds our beliefs even though they stand no chance against Hillary? Shouldn't the ultimate prize be putting a republican in that can beat Hillary and Socialism?

These crackhead republicans are almost as bad as the liberals. They need to understand that if a democrat wins it doesn't matter who you voted for in the primaries. You are going to get much much worse than Rudy could ever be.

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Robert Schlichting Galena, ill. — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:18:42 GMT

I'm a believer in God. I believe God gives us our "choice". So we should think long and hard to put the correct person in the presidents chair.
I was at the house party in DBQ that night. I was leaning towards Huckabee. I left with Romney yard signs. Christian or not, the things he said he was mirroring Huckabee EXCEPT being accommidating to the Illegal Aliens here already like he is in Arkansas. I want them out, I want the border secure and I want an honest moral man in this office.
Ron Paul is a great man, but won't get the nod.
Rudy is exactly like what Steve Scheffler said he is. This country can't take more of ME ME ME, like him or Hillary. We need someone more concerned about the country,war,borders and all of our founding fathers ideas in the consitution expressing what "rights" we have vs what the Rudys and the Dem's want for us. Them running the show.
And why is it that people here attack good christians who have done the homework on the issues and the candidates. The country needs better people to speak out. Not the crap you see above written by people who couldn't even pass the citizen test to get here legally, if not having been "BORN" here.
Thompson and McCain brought us the McCain/Feingold bill. WRONG!!!! That was gov'nt telling us to shut up.
Ron Paul- too tough for most "moderate" to swallow.
Huckabee- good choice, but soft on our aliens here
Bottom line? A good man, married to one women,belives in strong borders,laws,schools. Abortion/Guns/God/Patriotism are also included. A complete package! Isn't that what we conservitives want and the moderates someone they too can get behind?
And to think I almost danced with the wrong candidate except someone invited me to hear Mitt.
Thanks to John W. and to Ron H. for this experiance!!

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Stephen Boone, Garland, TX — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:18:53 GMT

Guliani will make Goldwater/Johnson look like a squeeker. The early primary cycle Obame forced everybody into means Rudy may well be nominated. Why giving a few uplifting speeches after your city is attacked makes you fit to be pres I don't get. Anybody who believes him on the SCOTUS nominations is insane or stupid. If it wasn't for the fact the HRC will be the worst Pres in history, I would say this means the end of the GOP. As it is, maybe we will just decide on a monarchy instead and at least get some laughs.

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David, Concord, New Hampshire — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:19:38 GMT

As a Jesus follower in New Hampshire, I'm voting for a presendent, not pastor. Rudy's a proven leader who cleaned up NYC. If he gets the nomination, he'll likely choose Huckabee as his running mate to pacify some of my one-issue voter friends. He'll pull in lots of independents and some democrats and I predict will beat Hillary handily...

Don't believe one Iowan's "bloodbath" rant represents most thinking Christians.

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Adheeb Mahut, Philadelphia, PA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:20:09 GMT

Conservative Chrsitians cannot vote for Giuliani. Those who say they are conservative Christians and will vote for him are mistaken about what a Christian is. They're putting their wallet ahead of their faith and will eventually lose both.

If Giuliani supporters think they can win without the Christian vote, they'll find out differently next Fall. The key is to find a candidate that all of us can support. If that cannot be done, look forward to having Bill back in the Whitehouse for at least 4 years.

God Bless, have a good day.

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Rachel,NY — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:20:26 GMT

As someone who is not in sync' with Rudy on social issues, I have decided that he is the leader we need at this time in our country. This man may have his opinion but it is falling on deaf ears. Simply put, the GOP can not allow Her royal Highness, HRC to become President and we won't. Giuliani/Huckabee..08!

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re humphry — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:20:27 GMT

Per Dick Morris, Mike Huckabee is a fiscal conservative. You can read his article at:
www.townhall.com/columnists/DickMorrisandEileenMcGann/2007/11/28/mike_huckabee_is_a_fiscal_conservative
... just copy and paste into your browser.

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I can't WAIT for the election (WI) — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:20:37 GMT

It's been a long time coming. FINALLY the reichwing is crumbling under the weight of it's own hypocrisy. We've watched thirty years of lies take the American dream to the very edge of death. Let's all hope that they keep it up, eating their own young for another year.

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blankness — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:20:47 GMT

If two former wives couldn't trust him why should we?

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David, Concord, New Hampshire — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:21:49 GMT

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Bill Mitchell, Raleigh, NC — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:21:49 GMT

"Bloodbath" was an unfortunate choice of terms.

Obviously he means the Republican Ticket will get "wiped out" by Hillary if Rudy is nominated because the base won't turn out (as in 2006).

This really is a vigorous election year. Mainly because Hillary is such a polarizing figure. Either you adore her or despise her, there is no middle ground.

Anyway, I just got back from the future and Romney wins the White House in 2008 with 54% of the vote, so relax.

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Alex Kowaleski, Winter Springs FL — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:22:27 GMT

I am a Bible-believing Christian who has no problem supporting Giuliani in the general election. Even if Rudy is not in line with me on social issues, he's far better than anything the Democrats offer. I'm a McCain man in the primaries, though.

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Proud Union Member — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:22:48 GMT

Are you defeatists KIDDING?
if Hillary is nominated then you MUST get every aunt,uncle,brother sistet and every person you know to register and VOTE REPUBLICIAN. if you dont-God help America!

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professor aaron, SE, ak — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:24:40 GMT

Ron Paul is the only good answer here. You can not find a man with more integrity than Ron Paul. He actions speak well of his ideals. Have you watched some of the videos on youtube of the meetups and conventions that Ron Paul has spoken at? The crowds are so enthusiastic and hungry for his message that it is contagious. I find myself searching the web over and over again for the latest Ron Paul tidbit, news, or video blog. This isn't typical for me so I know that if I have caught the vision many others have as well. If MSM wants ratings and viewers they would be wise to get informed. The Internet is quickly making them irrelevant.

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Jude O'Connor — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:25:44 GMT

The Dems control both sides of the House and promised to end the war. Do you really want them in the White House?

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Terry Roemer, Jerome, Idaho — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:26:18 GMT

It seems as if "holier than thou" is a summary condition that lib's like to use when describing Christians, so if standing on ones Principles is holier than thou which is where Christians are usually coming from than, Yep, you got it. If you don't stand for something you fall for anything! Secret underware? Mormon doctrine is radically different from trad Christian theology. Most Americans couldn't tell you the difference between Catholic, Protestant, or Muslim doctrines even though they may be one or the other. I wouldn't vote for Hillary if I had a gun to my head, and after her election that won't be an issue. If Guiliani is the R candidate I will sit out. Ron Paul is the only one of the lot that understands that the issues are defined in the constitution, but like theology, most Americans don't understand the electorial college. I believe we will continue down the road of corporate ownership of the United States Government regardless of who is elected. The "People" only think they have a choice, that one or another candidate really matters. Oh, and bloodbath, it's a metaphore!

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Kevin, Mt. Vew, ca — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:26:49 GMT

If Ron Paul isn't nominated, then the Republicans deserve the bloodbath. They have forgotten what it is to be a republican.

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Cory — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:27:27 GMT

Huckabee and Giuliani are both as liberal as Republicans can get. All REAL conservatives should support Romney.

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david, st. augustine beach, fl — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:28:49 GMT

The bloodbath in Irag is not nearly as bad as the bloodbath in Philadelphia. 36 U.S. troops were killed in Iraq in November, 63 citizens of the city of brotherly love died during the same period. Perhaps Gen. Petraeus can make a detour on the way home and implement a surge their too.
As a lifelong republican, I'm as digusted as one gets with this administration. I believe Bush's a principled ideologue who sticks with his conviction, unlike any democrat running, albeit his principals are flawed as are his goals. Like mostly every other American after 9/11 I strongly supported him. Now I can't wait for Rudy to win the election and clean up another mess. For you bible thumping, koran and torah guided people, while this country is based on religious freedoms, it means by design, we are a nation that should not be told by any religious group how to behave, that's why we have legislatures.

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Scott, Houston, Tx — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:28:58 GMT

Hillary and Giuliani are the same. It's that simple.

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Bob Lee — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:29:23 GMT

Don't listen to the fear mongers out there. The heart of America is socially conservative- and I for one am tired of having republican candidates appeal to us every 4 years- and then going off and doing whatever they want. What happened to Terri Schivo? Where is a pro life constitutional ammendment? People of faith have to have the courage of their convictions and support SoCon candidates- and let the chips fall where they may.I for one do not doubt that God will turn our faith in Huckabee, or Pat Robertson, and any other real values conservative into a mighty fortress- you should beleive it too. Vote for your values- don't vote out of fear.

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Armenian GOPer — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:29:30 GMT

Who cares. Iowa is a blue state anyway. Christian Republicans: get your act together before you worry about who the nominee is. You've got Democrats running your entire state. Fix your own house.

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John B — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:30:12 GMT

Bloodbath? I'm a Democrat as are most of my friends, and we will be voting for Rudy. You remember us Regan democrats? We'll here come the Giuliani democrats. Hopefully you ultra conservative religious wacko's won't screw it up for the rest of us.

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Joyce — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:32:52 GMT

Some of you are forgetting that liberal Republicans kept us in the minority pre-1994. When there isn't enough distinction between the parties, the Democrats win. The problem with George Bush is he was not conservative enough economically and on immigration. Also his war became unpopular. A coalition of conservative Republicans and conservative Democrats can get a Republican past the Democrat nominee in the general. Many liberal Republicans will vote for a social conservative who is conservative on economic issues; a social conservative is less likely to vote for a Republican who's liberal on social issues. The only Republican majority we've had is a center-right coalition. Social conservatives are the activists. The anger towards social conservatives on this website is misplaced and ignoring the facts.

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Dan Mann, Belleview, Florida — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:35:56 GMT

As a christian who has been blessed to be born in this nation, I have, since I was old enough to vote, been stepping into the booth and looked for the name of my master, the only perfect one, to vote for. Never finding it, and yes I know what Mike said, I then must choose the one among the names listed who comes the closest to what He would be like. Often all of the candidates seem to be closer to the other end of the scale, near you know who. But still I vote, for the lesser of 2 evils maybe, but it is the responsibility I have to do what little I can to move the nation towards the better end of the scale.
I know where Hillary stands. She has demonstrated that often as first lady and senator. I will vote to keep her out of the presidency.

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Gary, Fort Wayne, IN. — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:36:02 GMT

I'm really getting fed up with the sellouts who will vote for Rudy, just because he's republican, over Hillary! Great, thanks for voting for a liberal over another liberal, because that's all you're doing. A great leader? Just ask some New Yorkers about Rudy, and you will get a different response. He wasn't 'America's Mayor' to quite a few of them. Do you actually think because the war is winding down in Iraq means that we are winning, because of Bush? The terrorists are just regrouping, plotting to get us in some other way, because they can't defeat us in a conventional war. They'll hit us again, regardless of who's in the White House. They're not going to stop, even if we get your precious Rudy in. I'm going to vote for Ron Paul, because he is the only choice if you are a true Christian. You so-called Christians who'll vote for a guy who believes it's ok to murder babies by choice, need to get your head examined like Pat Robertson.

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Patrick C. Irvine, CA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:37:12 GMT

Guiliani is the only Republican candidate with the national name recognition, proven leadership and broad political appeal to win in November 2008. He will beat Hillary 60% to 40%. If you social conservative Republicans want eight years of Hillary Clinton's Godless socialism and confiscatory taxation, then vote against Guiliani. Face it folks, you aren't going to get everything you want in a candidate. Vote for Guiliani and be satisfied that you'll get what you need.

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rob gordon, beaumont, texas — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:39:10 GMT

VOTE RON PAUL-
pro-life
pro-gun
never saw the need for an abortion
anti-un
anti- nato
anti-neocon
pro-state rights

ron paul
the champion of the US contitution!!

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Bill Y. dalton pa — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:39:14 GMT

Hey guys half a loaf with Rudy, not even a crumb with Hillary. He will stand up against the islamofascists who want to kill us all!

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ClaireSolt — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:39:25 GMT

Are conservatives so clueless that they will support the war on terror and complain about spending? What did you expect after Clinton cut the military and CIA 30% for a peace dividend. You thought Bush could use green stamps? Wise up. The Dems have taunted you on spending and you have fallen for it.

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Carol, Pinetop, AZ — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:40:02 GMT

I do not believe that a republican candidate that is not 100% pro-life is electable. I just don't think a candidate like that could motivate people to vote.

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Ken Miller, Leclaire, Iowa 52753 — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:40:02 GMT

Rudi = keeping the federal gov't out of the marriage issue, making the abortion issue for rape,incest,life of the mother or emergency surgery, sealing our borders from terrorists and illegals, identification for all non citizens, Keep a strong military, Giving the police force the tools to do they job- get crime off the parks and streets, get a handle on drugs crossing into ur country, Rudi will increase our economy and not raise gov't or the taxes. What more would an open minded Christain conservative want? I DO WANT THE GOV'T IN MY BUS.- ANY MORE THAN NECESSARY - AND I DO NOT WANT TO IMPOSE MY BELIEFS ON YOU AND MORE THAN YOURS ON ME.

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Bill, Concord, NH — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:42:06 GMT

This Christian conservative will be voting for Ron Paul - the only candidate who is pro-life, anti-death penalty, and against the senseless, murderous Iraq war.

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Art L., Orlando, FL — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:43:01 GMT

Read the story on "Rudy's Roots" in the 3 December issue of Newsweek. All we need now is the mafia in the White House... New Yorker's have taken over Florida which explains his popularity here. Please stop him in Iowa. Vote Tancredo or Thompson, the last hope to save us from the invasion.

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Uncle Joe, Larkspur, CA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:46:46 GMT

I'm a Republican who is sick to death of the self-appointed spokesmen for Jesus telling us who we should vote for. We are not electing an American pope; we are electing the President of the United States of America. Eisenhower and Reagan weren't constantly screeching about Jesus and abortion. Attention God Squad - go join Fred Phelps and his gang of psychotics if that's how you want to run America.

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Jack — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:46:57 GMT

What, are Rudy's campaign workers all posting here? The Republicans lost seats in '06 because they tried moving to the center (and in many cases, wide left of center) -- conservative voters are sick of this and refrained from voting. Rudy is a play-both-ends-against-the-middle kind of guy -- in other words, he's a flake. He is "personally opposed" to abortion but thinks government should fund abortions for "underprivileged." He supposedly supports 2nd Amendment Rights, but his "support" contains so many exceptions, that your Right becomes a "right," with a nudge and a wink thrown in. The feeling among the silent majority is: people are sick and tired of this kind of pathetic excuse for leadership in the Republican party; and, yes, if Rudy is nominated, it may indeed be a "bloodbath" as conservatives stay away from the polls in droves.

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whitneymuse, Southern CA, — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:48:13 GMT

If it's not Hillary Clinton, then you cannot have a Christian prolife can didate.

Starting from there, I'm in favore of someone who will support the closing of the porous borders that George Bush favored throughout his years of administration; he was supposedly a Christian evangelical?? so look what it gave us.

Go to You Tube and watch the interview by Glenn Beck of Pat Buchanan and his new book.

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GIJoe — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:48:44 GMT

Most the current crop of brainless Republicans would sell out thier mothers, if they thought they could get a dwinner. So might as well nominate Rudy, principles don't mean a damn thing to these clowns.

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Charles Houston Texas — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:50:49 GMT

"I would vote for the devil before I would ever vote for Hilary." You must not have the slightest idea who the devil is , he is the one who has built Hillary into Hillary.

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Rabban — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:52:30 GMT

I always love it when people say so and so is the only "viable" candidate. Bologna! We the people decide who's viable and we do that by voting in primaries and supporting our candidates in way we can by becoming a delegate, going door to door or joining the local party commission.

Personally, I like Dr. Ron Paul. He's as close to what our Founding Fathers designed this county to be than any other candidate. Hopefully you'll check him out for yourself, but investigate the candidates and decide who you like, don't let someone else choose who you'll love for.

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Quentin, Central CA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:52:33 GMT

Many of the posts here push the 'Rudy or it'll be Hillary!' angle and I'm not buying it. That's a pathetic compromise that weak(er) voters swallow hook-line-sinker. "The lesser of two evils" is a miserable compromise that spineless individuals pursue as their 'only choice'. "Conservatives" have surrendered their votes/values far to easily, imo.

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imus,irima,nm — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:52:55 GMT

NO...My friend.....Gerald Clouge is an a** h**e...

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joyce — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:55:06 GMT

One issue voters aren't too bright. They will have 2 choices in the General Election and if they think Hillary or Obama will be better on that issue than Rudy, they are deaf, dumb and blind.

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Dave, Plymouth, MI — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:56:59 GMT

Republicans will rally around whomever the nominee happens to be. The bottom line is that Democrats outnumber Republicans. Nominate Hucabee or Romney and Hillary wins easily. Rudy gives republicans the only way to hand on to the presidency. He will draw a significant number of independents and some democrats (who simply do not like Hillary) as well.

I hope that Hillary hangs on to the nomination. I still have yet to figure out what Obama stans for. I can not figure out how giving one good speech (at the DNC in 04) can propel someone so close to the democratic presidential nomination.

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RACHEL — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:57:33 GMT

Huckabee is a nice guy and might be good on the moral issues....but on the most important issues for the nation (the economy and national security) he's a NIGHTMARE! He raised taxes in Arkansas more than Bill Clinton did! And he's as soft on illegal immigration as Bush! He is UNACCEPTABLE.

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Carol, Pinetop, AZ — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:58:00 GMT

I do not believe that a republican candidate that is not 100% pro-life is electable. I just don't think a candidate like that could motivate people to vote.

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Flint — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:59:20 GMT

VOTE DUNCAN HUNTER. HE'S GOOD ON ALL THE ISSUE. GREAT ON THE BORDER, AND ECONOMY, AND NATIONAL SECURITY.

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JD — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:00:05 GMT

The only place I see a bloodbath is with the Christian right. They are so smug and out of touch... we good Americans who are anti-abortion will NOT allow you to put Hillary in power for your ego trips.

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JJ, Dunedin FL — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:00:46 GMT

Fred Thompson is the only true conservative running.

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Eb Hoehl, Lafayette, LA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:01:49 GMT

Ron Paul is a great Republican candidate that all the Iowans can vote for. His voting record in Congress is conservative. He is a strong supporter of the Constitution, for limited government, for protecting our borders, against amnesty for illegals aliens, and against the war in Iraq.

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John Doe, Atlanta, GA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:02:26 GMT

All you "conservative christians" voting for Rudy... why bother? You erroneously believe that he's the only one that can beat Hillary, but suppose that is true.

What's the point? They might as well be clones of one another. If it truly is one or the other, it does not matter. I'd like to have my vote count for more than bragging rights that at least the person in the oval office has an (R) behind their name on CSPAN.

Huckabee is a valid choice, and is going to come in either first or second in both Iowa and NH.

If you don't like him, Paul's been married to the same woman for 50 years.

Hell, even Tancredo's not the jerk or loser that the others are. Or you could throw your support behind McCain.

Rudy would do or say anything to win. He'll compromise on any issue to win. He'd sell out. If this is the kind of candidate that christians want, then maybe I'm not one at all. Go ahead and vote for your cross-dresser who got over 100 firefighters killed because he was too busy cheating on his wife to run the city competently.

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Joe, Austin, Texas — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:02:43 GMT

The Republican Party will elect Hillary president. The reason: Too many Republicans are trying to run an election based solely on abortion rights and gay rights. Those are not the issues. But the Christian coalitions thinks that. The issues are whether we'll have strong national security and sliding into socialism with more government programs. The Christian Coalitions in America can't look beyond candidates who have a past for supporting pro-choice... they'll allow Hillary to be elected rather than support a Republican who supported pro-choice in the past. Republican Christian Coalitions have tunnel vision.

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Richard Vales III, Seal Beach CA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:07:38 GMT

Rudy vs. Hillary: Rudy and Hillary are the same except Hillary has the male parts.

Huckabee is no conservative. Conservatives fell for that lie once with our current president.

Obama has the support of Oprah, good for him. Unfortunately Obana isn't selling a book on Amazon, he's running for President.

Edwards wants to be a Kennedy soooo bad he decided to run for President.

McCain is a cranky old kook but he'd be entertaining as President. Just don't piss him off, he'll have the launch codes.

Romney is a Mormon. I have nothing against Mormon's, I have nothing against Nazi's either but a neither a Mormon or Nazi is going to win President in 2008.

I could go on and on but really there is no need. Any one of these candidates could be President but you see, nothing will change. I'm gonna sit on the sidelines with a bucket of popcorn and a Dr. Pepper and watch as the United States takes it's last few breaths. Our democracy is a sham. Wake up people!

That is all for today. Go about your business.

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Ralph==Boston, MA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:10:39 GMT

When are evangelical Christians going to wake up? After getting conned by that phony Bush are they going to make the same mistake with Huckabee? I think many of them would vote for Hitler if he said he was a Christian and against abortion. The most logical choice for Christians is Ron Paul or Tom Tancredo, then maybe Romney. Forget Huckabee!

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Jeff Maddox, Stephenville, Texas — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:12:14 GMT

Amen, Dave Perkins.
I don't think these "one issue voters" get the big picture. There is no "Reagon Conservative" running on the Presidential ticket. Hillary or any of the Democratic candidates are not any closer to the Republican base than any of the Republican candidates. So, if you thing any Republican candidate is out of touch with the base, then God help us when a Democrat takes the Presidential Office. If that happens, all the Republican "base" that did not vote for the Republican candidate need only to look in the mirrow to see why, because any of the Democrat Candidates are no where close to the issues that the Republican "Conservative" base cares about. Get grip. If you have to, hold your nose and VOTE Republican because that is exactly what the Democrat voters will do to get their candidate elected.

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Allen Peterson, Bellingham, Washington — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:14:58 GMT

Reagan, Bush Sr. and George W. were ALL pro-life and it gave the pro-life movement NOTHING, since the Supreme Court decides this issue. Giuliani has not flip flopped on his pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage views (like Romney has on abortion). This means he's probably a man of his word who means what he says. Since he has promised to nominate pro-constitution judges (like Scalia) it would appear that he may help the pro-life traditional voters as much as those Presidents just mentioned. I could care less what the President's personal views are on these subjects as long as he approves of the right kind of judge. Where am I going wrong with my logic?

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Ken Barker, Columbus, OH — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:16:37 GMT

Hmmm... quite the predicament. If only there were a Christian candidate who valued life, value liberty, and value truth. If only there were a candidate with a consistent public record confirming his integrity....

If you are willing to think and read, please read up on Dr. Paul and then decide. Here are two open letters that will help.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/anderson/anderson108.html and http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance127.html

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Art L., Orlando, FL — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:17:08 GMT

Research Giuliani's biography. He was a Democrat in the 70's, and is now claims to be a Republican. He is a "wolf in Sheeps clothing"

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Eric Petersen, Merritt Island,FL. — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:21:40 GMT

Though I'd prefer Romney or Thompson, I'd gladly vote for Rudy. Huckabee, on the other hand, is creepy. I don't trust him , nor like his positions on many issues. He seems to beleive he sits at God,s side, as he burnishes his halo. His "Mr. Compassionate, don't you love me" act grows old quickly.I don't think he understands the role of the office he's running for,or is competent to fill it.

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Jason — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:24:38 GMT

I love Ron Paul.

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Sam Colt Country USA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:24:57 GMT

rudy isnt fooling me. he`d crank gun control up 100 fold. he never did ANYTHING to lesson the restrictions that NYC lives under. Protect the criminal scum and punish the good citizen. This is the Rudy Way !!

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Kathy Irminger, Charlotte, NC — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:28:03 GMT

Rudy does not represent the best chance for the GOP in 2008. When the GOP gets too far from its conservative roots it loses. Even democrats are smart enough to appease their base. If you thought 2006 was bad, try cutting out the 24% of Americans who call themselves conservatives in 2008. That isn't the fringe of the party, that IS the party.

And Rudy's weakness isn't religion - it's Rudy's lack of enforcement plans on illegal immigration that will undermine his national security credentials. Also Iraq is improving (removing that from the forefront of issues). Domestic issues will matter more.

Huckabee couldn't carry AR - nice man - big spender.

Fred Thompson 2008.

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NativeOkie, Tulsa OK — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:31:11 GMT

Most of the Hillary haters here obviously know nothing of her record or her positions. You have a built in hate based on nothing that rivals the democrat hate for Bush.

Hillary will beat any republican period. She is the most presidential sounding and acting of the entire field. As for the Christian right, you have destroyed this nation (ask Pat Buchanan). We will not allow you to further destroy this nation either. In my flyover state you hear a lot of republicans saying they will vote Hillary, simply to ensure the mess of the last 6 years is dealt with and to show the minority on the religious right they DO NOT represent any party.

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Phil D. Austin Texas — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:33:35 GMT

There is no difference between Clinton, Obama, Giuliani, Thompson, Huckabee, or Romney.

None of the above want the US out of Iraq anytime soon. These presidential candidates aren't interested in the cost of this war, the fall of the dollar, the bloated federal government, our Rights and Freedoms that have been lost with the Patriot Act, Homeland Security Act, and dozen of other laws that have been enacted during President Bush's term in office.

Does anyone honestly think those above will do anything but make a horrible problem worse. Those candidates have no experience in monetary matters. They don't get that the US market can't handle more debt, or afford more loans from the Chinese.

At some point this nation needs to wake up and realize we are on the cusp and that if we don't do something soon, our way of life will be destroyed due to inaction.

I know that Rep. Paul is the one man that has the knowhow and experience to make these correction.

While some will dismiss who I support, the question will always come back too:

Do we want an evangelical tax and spend Christian forcing a dogma down America's throat?

A Mayor that is more authoritarian than leader?

An Ex first lady that has so little common sense she stayed married to a sexist pig of a husband?

An inexperienced Senator from Illinois?

A flip flopper that we will never know which direction he will lead us until the next shift in the weather?

Or an aging actor that only decided to run because his wife pushed him into the ring?

The direction America heads will be determined next year and we better get it right.

Vote Ron Paul (2008)

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Joan NY — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:37:26 GMT

I don't want Rudy as the nominee. However if Rudy is nominated and you sit home, abortion will be enshrined by a Hillary appointed Supreme court.
Look for late term abortion to make a big comeback. Along with embryonic stem cell research.

You have a chance with Rudy. You have none with Hillary. And it will never be overturned in anyone's lifetime.

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John, Osceola,IN — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:37:47 GMT

I am leading towards Huckabee at this point. Just do yourselves a favor and check out Glenn Beck's interview with him. I don't donate and never will, and I was really impressed with the interview.

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John, Studio City, CA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:39:15 GMT

I wish people could think clearly. It doesn't MATTER what Rudy feels about choice as long as he nominates strict constructionist justices to the Supreme Court. How daft does this idiot have to be? Does the presidential nominee also have to share his favorite color and listen to his favorite music?

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God have mercy — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:39:18 GMT

Please, let's not make this anymore complicated than it has to be. A vote for anyone whether republican or democrat who supports abortion makes you a baby killer too. WWJD

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Mark, Studio City, CA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:41:39 GMT

So much rage and fear. I sincerely hope that our next president (from whichever party) will be intelligent, an excellent manager and communicator, ethically and fiscally responsible, and if even possible, honest. The issues aren't abortion, gay marriage and immigration, they are finding a way to make this country whole again by bringing our soldiers home, caring for the tens of thousands that have been disabled, providing healthcare for all who need it and creating a healthy, safe and prosperous environment for our children.

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Gabriel Caron — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:42:01 GMT

What all of the liberals and secularists commenting here cannot understand is this: If the candidates are not PROLIFE, true conservatives will NOT vote for them. This represents mainstream conservatives. Do you think we are just voting one issue? Being wrong on this issue is similiar to a candidate being right on every issue except racial discrimination. Support for abortion is a deal breaker

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Washington, DC — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:43:20 GMT

Let's be clear. Republicans MUST have a very formidable, able candidate to take out the Clinton Inc. machine. Huckabee certainly is VP material, perhaps, but the top job must go to someone who can BEAT HER...and that is Rudy. Is he perfect? No. But he IS your choice unless you want the QueenBee Mrs. Clinton. Make no mistake about it..if you screw around with this, you're going to get another EIGHT YEARS of a woman who has already been president for EIGHT YEARS. GET REAL OUT THERE!! This is very serious stuff.

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Gabriel Caron, St. Paul, MN — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:43:22 GMT

forgot my address

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christine phillips — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:47:39 GMT

Well, folks...there is a real irony here. If anyone would care to research the facts, you will find that Hillary Clinton has been a lifelong, practicing Methodist. Quite active in her church since being a teenager;not simply posing periodically in front of a church. This according to Church officials. Obviously, former Governor Huckabee is a very dedicated Christian. But, my point about Senator Clinton is: Love her or hate her--but, it does help to have the emotions comport with the facts. To do that, tho, one would have to find a specific and factual (as opposed to knee-jerk, fear-based) reason for one's conclusions. I'm really curious about what non-groupthink factual vote, stated position, policy, etc. that would be. Chris

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KB — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:48:10 GMT

People need to learn how to spell on these comment pages. Especially the Democrats.

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KB — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:49:30 GMT

oh yeah, i forgot, Huckabee is the man

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Debra, Springtown, Texas — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:49:33 GMT

I live in a border state, Texas, I wish I could put my trust in Mike Huckabee, he has me in his pocket on abortion, family values, but this is were it starts getting muddy, he can not hide from his record as Governor of Arkansas....tax and spend, surrouned himself with moderates and liberals in both parties, and shunned conservatives, he was very pro illegal immigrant no matter what he says now, even wanted to be a santurary state, voting for him would be like voting for Bush again, and I will not make that mistake again. I will probably just stay home election night.

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Eric G. Wruck, Bexley, Ohio — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:50:12 GMT

Giuliani is NOT a pro-Constitution kind of guy. He is not above using the courts to achieve his goals & to promote himself. He decimated Drexel Burnham Lambert & Mike Milken & damaged the high-yield market for a number of years -- & for what? Milken's prison sentence & fines were for damages estimated to be less than $1 million. And then there was NYC's lawsuit against gun manufacturers. The argument was that they sold guns that were used for illicit purposes & therefore they should somehow be accountable. He also wanted to outlaw people from owning ferrets in NYC. And then there was his effort to end the line-item veto -- again achieved through the courts. How is any of this pro-Constitution? He uses the courts to meddle in markets. Rudy knows better how markets should function. How is this different from the Democrat of your choice? We know about Rudy's moral shortcomings but they are only a part of the picture -- & it ain't pretty.

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Marilyn B. Gulfport, MS — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:52:17 GMT

If God is on our side, who can be against us?

Give Hope another chance--Vote Huckabee!!!!!!!!!

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Helena Y. Southlake, Texas — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:52:24 GMT

Why aren't more Christians voting for Mitt Romney? I know he's a Mormon, but so far every one of our Presidents who has called himself a "Christian" has failed miserably once they got in The White House!! Mr. Romney seems like the only candidate who has a history of integrity.

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Jeff Golferini, Atlanta, GA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:53:25 GMT

I am against Guiliani not because he is pro-choice, pro-same sex marriage or pro-gun control. I am not voting for Guiliani because he knows-it-all, does not listen, does not admit guilt or making mistakes, promotes unqualified people, incarnates the idiotic stands of my-way-or-the-highway, and surrounds himself with cronies and yes-men and women. This is basically the recipe for a disaster waiting to happen, and an administration that is arrogant, inadequate, incapable, inefficient, inept, and incompetent (yes all these are synonyms). We cannot afford that again. Not again.

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james aby — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:54:28 GMT

Go Barrack!

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Susan, Levittown NY — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:54:30 GMT

Bloodbath? Disturbed people like Scheffler and his kind give real Christians a bad name in this country. He speaks for nobody but himself. As a Christian I'm ashamed he calls himself a Christian when infact he comes off as a narrow minded bigot who is out of touch with reality. I'll pray for him tonight cause that's what a real Christian does for the misguided.

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Dave, Tampa, FL — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:54:57 GMT

You people who honestly think Hillary will win are so ignorant. Open your eyes, most the country sees through her. She is fake. It is a power trip and a socialistic agenda. Heck, she studied under Norm Chomsky for 2 years (he is a leading Communist "thinker"). There is no chance she wins, so pick the GOP nomination you want with your heart and mind, not whether you think they beat Hillary.

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A, Christiansburg, VA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:57:06 GMT

I CAN'T stand Rudy or Hillary, but this guy's seriously out of balance too. He talks about Rudy being on the other side of these issues and then stands up as a representative for a Christian organization and introduces....a MORMON!!!!! Are you kidding me?!!!

I'm voting Huckabee or Paul...still undecided at the moment...

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Harry Las Vegas — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:57:52 GMT

Just Imagine Rudy as the first crossdressing President.Im sure the whole world will just fall over themselves with respect.Why choose a NY liberal masquerading as a conservative for president.We need a real conservative.

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Ryan, Hillsdale MI — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:58:31 GMT

Shouldn't their use of bloodbath in such a context be seen as a threat to domestic security? Maybe they realize Giuliani will win without their support so they will be politically useless and must then seek violent means to push their agenda.

These people are down right sickening. I hope the IRS grows the balls to investigate these groups and seize their non-profit status.

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Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:59:27 GMT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNbGNHaNFtw

Mitt Romney is pro-abortion. See for yourselves. This guy supporting Mitt is a sellout

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Bowa, Philadelphia, PA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:00:10 GMT

To compare Rudy to a Democrat is simply ridiculous. Where he is pro-choice with restrictions, Democrats are for abortion on demand up to birth. Where Rudy is for lower taxes, the Democrats want to raise them. Where Rudy wants moderate background checks and licensing for gun owners, democrats support taking away the right to own guns entirely like in DC. Where Rudy is for tax breaks to buy private health insurance, the Democrats are for socialized medicine -- where Rudy is for continuing the mission in the war in Iraq, the war on terror, and strengthening the patriot act -- the democrats are for retreating. Where Rudy is for shutting down the borders, empowering states to deport and stopping the flow of illegals, Democrats want to give illegals amnesty, drivers licenses and force employers to hire people who don't speak any English at all.

So Rudy is no democrat even if he is not as conservative as the religious right would like him to be.

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MPH, Redmond, WA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:00:12 GMT

Fred Thompson is conservative and wants to fix social insecurity. I don't want a third party splitting the Republican vote. Fred has national recognition for the general election. Many dems would vote for him over Hillary.

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Dayahka, Aberdeen, Wa — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:00:14 GMT

Rudy is a problem not only for the conservatives, folks. He's a problem for the mainstream as well. The man appears as a pure greaser, a liar (his long-time pal, he now says, was a mistake as Homeland Security), a self-centered and unethical womanizer, with bad judgment, bad policies, a Bush-lite without even the minimal Bush ethics. I agree that abortion and homophobia should not always be the key issues in an election, and probably shouldn't even be issues at all, but Rudy is clearly not presidential timber, and is clearly a shallow and unethical man who should never even be considered for president, much less elected.

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Pastor Tony — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:00:22 GMT

As a pastor of an Evangelical Church there is only one candidate that I can support for President, and that is Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is a born again believer, who respects the rule of law and wants to bring true change to Washington.

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Izzthekid — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:03:05 GMT

Excuse me, but its not magic underwear. Their sacred garments for our church that are related to marriage. I maybe only a teen, but I realize that canidate's vote should NOT be based religion, but on what they stand for. As far, I haven't seen anyone's viewpoint.>< Wow. If Hillary becomes president, I'm moving to Japan. No lie.

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Citizen_Jane — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:03:28 GMT

Conservatives - stop holding your noses and voting for RINOs! Duncan Hunter is ready, willing and able to be your President - no third party needed - and HE WILL CLOSE THE BORDER! All we have to do is VOTE FOR HIM!! He can beat Hillary - in a race between a true Marxist socialist vs. a true conservative American patriot. www.gohunter08.com

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Red Crosss,pembroke pines Fl. — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:05:16 GMT

No one mentioned the worse value Rudy has-he is a Yankee Fan. The blood will flow through the streets of Iowa if a Yankee fan is elected.

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Rev. Gerald Oleson — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:06:55 GMT

Iowa Christians.....You would make Christ puke...Jesus came with two commandments...One...Love God with all your being...Two...Love your neighbor as yourself......Everything else in the Bible is Church driven power politics...Rev. G, Bangor, Maine

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Amanda Minneapolis MN — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:11:30 GMT

Hate to tell Mr. Scheffler that there are a lot of Born Again Christians out there - myself included that are not only voting for Rudy but contributing to his campaign. Rudy is the one thing that can save this country from Hillary or Obama. If Republicans lose the White House people like Dr. Dobson and Mr. Scheffler will be the ones to blame.

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Susan King, Albuquerque, NM — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:12:31 GMT

What makes Scheffler think THEY are the party's "base"??!! If we don't nominate Rudy, then we might as well just give Hillary and Obama a limo ride to the Whitehouse and forget the election! What is the matter w/ these people???!!!

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Jedsil — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:13:50 GMT

You religious yokels will manage to elect Hillary, the same way you elected her husband in 1992. How did that work out for you cretins? Elections are ALWAYS a choice between the lesser of two evils. Who among you can intelligently explain to me why any conservative should prefer Hillary over Rudy. I'm waiting. The silence is deafening.

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John C. Vorland, Los Angeles, CA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:14:04 GMT

Eight out of ten of you are a delusional laughingstock. Rudy is not electable. Have you been following the news? (Ethics violations). Have you looked at his immigration record in NYC? (Sanctuary city). Huckabee? LOL. What, he's anti-abortion so he makes you happy? He's a LIBERAL. There's this guy, maybe you've heard of him, MCCAIN? And his policy TWIN, Fred Thompson -- those two are fine conservatives. If you are CONSERVATIVE, suck it up and stand by your principles and let the chips fall where they may. Otherwise enjoy your next LIBERAL president, whether it's Hillary (who's a centrist), Obama, Rudy (gag, I just puked up in my mouth), or Huckabee. Seriously, read something besides the Bible every once in a while. There are these things, wars, taxes, education, China, Russia, Iran... They need some attention here. Pathetic.

lack of ethics are going to pulverize him -- and if they don't, Americans are stupid.

Hillary Clinton is more conservative than Huckabee.

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Frank, San Angelo Texas — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:15:13 GMT

I love watching the American Taliban wing nuts go crazy every election. When will these so called Christian "values" voters realize these so called conservative politicians are just pandering to the "base's" theocratic fantasies. Most Americans desire a moderate, compromising, honest President that represents ALL the people not just the 15-20 percent on either side of the political spectrum. Some of these "the sky is falling" voters, if their candidate doesn't win, are truly child-like. Go ahead, take your marbles and go home...don't vote. Just get out of the way and let the Americans that don't drink the Kool-Aid cast their votes.

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Jimbodini, Portland, Oregon — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:19:07 GMT

You wouldn't vote for a pro-slavery candidate just because he voted right on the rest of the issues and could be the other MORE-pro-slavery candidate would you? Heck no! Slavery is wrong and anyone who supports it in any way should not be elected. Same with abortion. It is the single most important moral issue of our time. And you don't compromise things like this. One day in the future, after the U.S. has banned abortion, it will be the people who stood firm against it who will be hailed as the heroes of this generation. We ain't backin' down from social issues like this! And we're voting a big NO on anyone who compromises this issue and any other key social issue of our time. Go Huckabee!!!

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Greg, Cedar Rapids, IA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:19:50 GMT

A vote for Huckabee is a vote for Rudy. Huckabee doesn't have the staying power for the national game.

Besides, FRED THOMPSON, got the endorsement of the Ark Repub Assembly - 80% Fred to 4% Huckabee. Thompson has the conservative appeal but not the big government background.

Thompson has policy papers out that no other candidate has. The others have just grabbed onto other plans, like the FairTax.

Another Big Government lib or Social Lib will kill the party and the nation. Romney is the GOP version of Kerry (Flip-Flop)

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Jake Welcher, Hudson, WI — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:20:11 GMT

The best thing for the GOP and America in 2012 is a GOP loss in 2008. Giuliani is flat-out liberal. Regardless of Romney's religion, his "political soul" is too pragmatic. Huckabee is cast in Bush's mold of big-government conservatism. The fact that Thompson missed the boat should tell us that we didn't want him anyway. Dead-in-the-water McCain, whose personality is as volatile as his politics, might come out looking like the truest conservative. Then there's Ron Paul...

Hopefully, four years of increased taxes, unemployment, abortion rights, gay rights, gun control, illegal amnesty and social spending under Clinton, Obama or Edwards will bring some fresh conservatives out of the woodwork and remind Americans that our forefathers' decision to shun European-style government remains a good idea to this day.

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Dave, Maine — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:20:22 GMT

Mr. Scheffler is obviously speaking rhetorically. You can cancel the orange alert, Jael. As an evangelical conservative and a huge James Dobson fan, I understand the type of frustration Mr. Scheffler is expressing. However, I'll probably vote for Romney in the primary. And no, I won't stay home if Rudy wins the nomination, because I do understand the devastation that would result on all fronts if Hillary gets in.

Here's the problem I see: As soon as possible we need tell everybody but the Top 5 Republican candidates to please go home. And I say that regretfully, as someone who thinks that Tom Tancredo is a Godsend and that Duncan Hunter is the closest thing we have to Ronald Reagan. But, we know these guys can't and won't be nominated, so it's time to clear the field because - thanks in no small part to the CNN/UTube debate/fiasco - I still have no idea if: 1)Mike Huckabee is a real conservative 2)Romney's flip-flop won't flip back again on abortion and 3)whether Rudy would be amenable to more specific and substantive pro-life pledges.

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Rod Taylor — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:22:59 GMT

This guy Scheffler is something of an idiot. Does he want Hillary in the White House? Where does he think she stands on abortion, gun control, prayer in school, taxes, the UN, the Supreme Court and so on? He and certain other of the Christian brethren <and I'm a Christian> sound like whiney little children. If they can't have it there way they're staying home. Go ahead. You people deserve the evil government you're going to get. George Bush, who is a great disappointment to conservatives, opposes abortion. So what? That hasn't changed anything. Does Scheffler think Hillary would appoint better justices and judges? Can you imagine in WW2 if some group didn't like the appointment of General Patton or Ike or whomever and they'd refused to work for the war effort and handed victory over to the Nazis -- would they be traitors? Fools? Slaves? Victims? Yes, they would. If you want to sit it out, please do so in silence. Your shrill advocacy of defeat is annoying.

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Mike M NY NY — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:23:45 GMT

OMG a bunch of religious idiots not voting for Rudy... what will become of the world lol get a life...and a quick note there is no such thing as god... freaking rednecks

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Dave, Maine — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:23:52 GMT

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mike Maz NY NY — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:26:03 GMT

Yeah why vote for a smart, intelligent women who is respected by other countries when the last two elections you voted in an imbecile. Good going uneducated religious hicks

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Bill M. — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:27:59 GMT

We need NONE OF THE ABOVE on the ballot!
The whole field sucks, both sides. Its a damn shame that a country with three hundred million people, these clowns is our best choices.
But we deserve what we get.
The last time a candidate had to answer an unscripted question from the average citizen, was Harry Truman on the back of his cross country train trip in 1948. Since then, its about PR firms and who has the most money!!!

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Bill M. — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:29:54 GMT

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Rick Quinn, Baltimore, MD — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:32:17 GMT

Ron Paul was vilified for his comments during a Republican debate in which he stated that the reason [radical Muslims] hate us is because 'we're over there." Essentially, Paul's claim was that American interventionist foreign policy over the last fifty or so years has helped create animosity among the peoples of nations in whose affairs we've intervened. He mentioned Iran and the failed coup attempt on Mohammed Mossadegh in 1953 specifically. After Ron Paul's comments, Rudy Giuliani called Mr. Paul's statements 'extraordinary' and construed them to mean that Mr. Paul was blaming America for the attack on 9/11. Giuliani's basic claim was that radical Islamists hate Americans because of our freedoms, because of our way of life.

I came across an interesting interview, on a somewhat homespun internet station recently, in which Michael Scheuer was interviewed. A lot could be said about Scheuer: he is a 22-year veteran of the CIA who served as the former head of the Agency's "Bin Ladin Unit." He is the author of several books on Middle East foreign policy as it relates to Islam, terrorism, and the 'war on terror.' He resigned from the CIA when the 9/11 Commission failed, in his estimation, to present an answer as to why America was attacked on 9/11. He is a lifelong Republican (essentially because of his commitment to anti-abortion policies). He is no pacifist; indeed, he stated rationale for why we should understand our enemies better is so that 'we can destroy them more efficiently."

Scheuer had this to say about Ron Paul's comments during that first Republican debate:

"Mr. Paul spoke, not only the truth, but he spoke in the interests of the American people, and he got chopped up from the Right and from the Left. At the end of the day, you admire Mr. Paul's courage, but what you fear for is the security of America, because the people who attacked Mr. Paul are much more concerned with staying in power than they are with protecting my family and yours…we have not even begun to fight [the war on terror] yet, and because Americans refuse to understand the enemy or his motivations, Americans are going to continually be surprised that the war is going to continually ratchet upward. The only reason that is going to happen is because American politicians on both sides of the aisle have routinely lied to the American people about the enemy, portraying them as a small, clandestine gang of criminals, rather than as not only a worldwide movement, but a growing worldwide movement." (From a recent interview, found here: http://dissentradio.com/radio/07_05_18_scheuer.mp3 )

RON PAUL
HOPE FOR AMERICA

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Richard Carpenter — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:34:19 GMT

I understand the Evangelical community's distrust of Rudy Giuliani. Since I am not an Evangelical Christian I would appreciate someone from that community explaining why Evangelicals do not consider supporting Ron Paul. Could his opposition to the war be consistent with Christianity? Could good Christians disagree on this particular war? Thanks very much!
-Ron Paul Supporter

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Tuco_bad — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:34:40 GMT

How did Rudy Giuliani manage to spend $17 million when he ran for Senate in 2000?

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Dick West — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:35:07 GMT

It's so sad as a Christian that I have to read so much animosity from the Iowa Christian Alliance regarding Rudy Juliani. I believe if Jesus were in Iowa he would welcome Juliani under his tent.

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Dick West — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:35:39 GMT

It's so sad as a Christian that I have to read so much animosity from the Iowa Christian Alliance regarding Rudy Juliani. I believe if Jesus were in Iowa he would welcome Juliani under his tent.

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Martin Harry, Austin, TX — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:37:02 GMT

Romney was right in the debate: Huckabee sounds just like a liberal Democrat. His taxpayer funded scholarships for illegal aliens were for college. Presumably, students going to college were 18 or older. They are not "children." Huckabee fails to understand the fundamental problem with all such rewards: it encourages more to enter the country illegally and thereby creates more "deserving" illegals. The compassionate thing to do is to discourage would-be illegals from coming in the first place!

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Norman Cates, Ocala, FL — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:37:10 GMT

Don't forget that more than 35% of voters are registered as independent or members of a "minor" party (Who says there can be only two "major" parties?) An amalgamation of minor parties, plus the truly disaffected members of the majors, could elect someone who has not yet come to national attention.
We may not have to hold our nose or vote for the lesser of two evils (probably getting the eviler of two lessers)if these minors can just drop their inbred determination to vote only for their man.

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Joe, Dallas, TX — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:42:00 GMT

Consider the SOURCE: MSNBC is jerking your chain -- TRYING to get a 'big reaction'.

But the problem/solution is clear:

Vote for ANY Republican INSTEAD of Hillary!

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Austin Cassidy — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:42:01 GMT

John McCain is the best man to lead America!

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Rita — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:42:15 GMT

The Alliance in Iowa speaks for no one but those within shouting distance of their leader's microphone, and don't speak for many of the rest of us.
This is a Christian conservative run amok. A poor example of the faith and to the country, and an embarrassment to other Christians, whose conduct is not all puffed up, and who decline to bluster and filabuster.

No group is indespensible, as the entire nation including Independents will have a say in who becomes the nominee. If some wish to go over the cliff, then the national voters will be picking up the slack and life will go on.

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Daniel Troppy Atlanta Ga — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:44:31 GMT

Scheffler sounds like a big Cuckoo just like the Republicans out there that have 2 brain cells that believe any Republican candidate will win this next Presidential election....If you think America wants another 4 or 8 years of this train wreck you might as well just jump off the building top.
This party has done more damage to our country than every before and this country is bleeding to death.
Anyone who supports this party is just good old fashioned unpatriotic !

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David, Burlington, NC — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:45:28 GMT

Rudy supports The Abortion Holocaust, people who vote for him would also have the blood of 50 million unborn babies on their hands, or blood bath at the polls. The Blood of Americas innocents.

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Spencer Eden, Colorado Springs — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:47:52 GMT

Ron Paul is the only TRUE REPUBLICAN in the race. His major contributors are military officers. He has been married to the same woman for over 50 years. He was a doctor in private practice for 20 years, and now an experienced Congressman of 20 years. Never voted for a congressional pay raise. He has openly said he has no intention of taking congressional retirement pay. The man is not on the government dole at all and never has been. This is a true republican, people! Not a corporate puppet rebublican.

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Weston, Austin, Texas — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:49:27 GMT

I have heard this before... Hm... I think Osama bin Laden said something almost IDENTICAL to this. Its funny how they are terrorists and this guy is "the fundamental right". Symantics are fun!

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Nick M. Sacramento, CA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:50:43 GMT

What's wromg with real conservatives like Tancredo or Hunter? Everybody who's commented on this board seems to be in a "fix" over fake repubs like McCain, Guiliani, or Romney. Thye only issue that should matter is illegal immigration. Who do you think would do a better job in enforcing the border? Rememnber! McCane sold out by aligning himself with that bloated windbag Kennedy for trying to cram amnesty down our throats. I saw Mel Martinez in the crowd during the debates and I can't wait to usher him and McCain out in November. Grow some brain cells people!!!

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Brett, Dallas, Tx — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:51:07 GMT

GW has done a good job and has delivered on a majority of his promises. He has been a man of character and led in a difficult time. The momentum seems to be swinging in his direction and its about time that the more moderate wing of the party get behind the president. Just so we are clear the danger for the GOP isn't that part of the party will vote for some Dem, but that they just won't show up and vote in the general election at all. We need a unified and energized party, regardless of who gets the nomination. Huck and Romney may not be as fiscally conservative as we might like...it's tough to know for sure how a president will handle fiscal issues after he is elected. While Huck and Romney's record seems to indicated that there MIGHT be issues... We KNOW that Rudy will be pro-choice, pro-gay and anti-gun. Dole lost the election because he was too centrist. Centrist don't win elections because they don't mobilize their base to vote. I just don't believe that the independent voter is really the king maker in our modern elections.

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John G, Washington, DC — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:53:12 GMT

I am delighted by these comments. If these right-wing evangelicals get their way and Rs nominate another Christian conservative, then that candidate will be slaughtered in the general election by a country that is generally pretty moderate. Then at long last, my party will realize the drag Evangelical Christians have been on the party and abandon them. Keep it up guys - you are just cruising towards the end of the days when you have any power in this party.

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Jim, Tucson Az — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:53:47 GMT

In the end, McCain will be our next president. No one, democrat, GOP, left, right, wouldn't make a pimple on McCain's backside.

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robert — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:56:27 GMT

This is all a shell game that they are playing with the voters. There is NO conservative candidate. If the minister thinks Romney is a conservative because he changed his mind about abortion, he is as delusional as he sounds.

So, what are we to do? I guess vote for the lesser of two evils. Any Republican candidate vs Hillary.

I think it's sad, that out of a nation of 300 million people these are the only people we can choose from

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Christian American Conservative Republican - in that order — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:56:37 GMT

When he says bloodbath, he means that Republicans will lose by a huge margin because people like me will not vote for Rudy <period>. If the Republicans want to stand a chance, they cannot put up a liberal from NYC. I would vote for Romney or Huckabee but if Rudy is the Republican candidate, I will not vote for President.

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I can't WAIT for the election (WI) — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:56:57 GMT

This is better than sex. The entire reichwing is collapsing in on itself under the weight of it's total hypocrisy. We can only hope that they continue to eat their own young for another year.

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Joe, CO. — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:57:51 GMT

If Rudy wins, then it was god's will. Who can argue with that?

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justin — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:58:39 GMT

Hoestly, with a population equal to about 1% of the country's census, (3 million divided by 300 million) What does Iowa really have to offer other than a bunch of ethanol welfare recipiants... Iowa and New Hampshire can both go to Iowa and New Hampshire... as if Hell would be a better place...

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Freddie — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:59:42 GMT

These idiots are simply going to put Hillary - or God help us, worse... Obama, in office. The country, when it comes down to it, will not outright elect a polarizing liberal woman, or an even more radically liberal black man who didnt even grow up in this country..no matter how much the media shoves them down falsely our throats as "shoe ins" or "visionaries". the only way either of these two can win, is by splintering the republican party....like this. I wouldnt be surprised if this article was leaked by the liberal media just to do just that. the media keeps attacking Rudy, because they *know* he has a real chance of winning.

Fortunately, i suspect that these groups do not have the voting power they like to thnk they have. If they do, we are all in trouble. they will win the battle and lose the war. And put the most dangerous liberal presidents that this country has perhaps every seen in its history, right into office when t hey didnt have a prayer before.

Huckabee or Romney cannot win. Besides, Huckabee has a bad record of rasising taxes. Romney is a Mormon... not technically a Christian, anyway. If the evangelicals want to support a guy who believes that an angel came down to a guy in America 1800 years after christ and gave him "magic spectacles" to read magic golden tablets, and translate them into the "extra" bible book of mormon that says its "now" ok to have several wives... they deserve Hillary and Obama as president, who will then proceed mto roll back a hell of lot more that they care about then Rudy will. And it will be their fault, for taking stupid, short sighted stances such as this.

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Darel, Richmond, VA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:00:37 GMT

This is the same group who would not allow Ron Paul who has the best pro life position of any canidate speak earlier this year.... Instead Ron paul had his own meeting and had more to attend his meeting then the iowa affair.

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Chris, Richmond, Virginia — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:03:16 GMT

Allow me to digress.

Current trends are on the side of the frontrunner: in contemporary presidential nominations the frontrunner generally wins their party’s nomination and the momentum dynamic is greatly overstated. Not since Jimmy Carter's nomination has an underdog gone on to win their party's endorsement. (This is bad news for those Mike Huckabee supporters.)

It has been the case in 5 out of the past 6 primaries that the candidate who rasied the most money and was leading in the national polls went on to win their party's nomination:
Year Party Candidate Lead in Poll Pre-Iowa Winner
1980 Rep Reagan Reagan
1980 Dem Carter Carter
1984 Dem Mondale Mondale
1988 Rep Bush Sr. Bsuh Sr
1988* Dem Hart Dukakis
1992 Rep Bush Bush
1992 Dem Clinton Clinton

*the exception is 1988 Hart/Dukakis

Year Party Candidate Raised Most $$ Nominee
1980* Rep Connally Reagan
1980 Dem Carter Carter
1984 Dem Mondale Mondale
1988 Rep Bush Bush
1988 Dem Dukakis Dukakis
1992 Rep Bush Bush
1992 Dem Clinton Clinton

As you can see there is a strong correlation between poll standing and fund-raising and the winner of the party nominee.

Herein lies the conflict between both Romney and Giuliani. Romney has raised the most money among the Republican candidates but he trails Giuliani in the national polls by 14.3 percent, according the realclearpolitics average.

It's my prediciton that either Giuliani or Romney will go on to win the Republican nomination. Despite recent trends though, my heart still lies with Huckabee....GO MIKE!

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I can't WAIT for the election (WI) — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:08:01 GMT

This is (almost) better than sex, watching the reichwing collapsing under the unbearable weight of hypocrisy. Here's hoping they'll continue eating their own young for another year.

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Ronny, Boston, MA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:08:35 GMT

Mitt is the only Republican that can beat Rudy. A vote for the Huckster is a vote for Rudy.

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Dave Rogers, Chicago — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:11:04 GMT

As a Scientologist, I want a President who will fight Xenu most aggressively. How can people waste their time on abortion when Xenu is pervading our thoughts and leaving us with repressed fear that holds us back from reaching our potential. Just because a candidate takes a strong stand against Xenu, it doesn't mean that he or she is pandering to the Scientologist right.

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Steve, St. Joseph, MO — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:11:26 GMT

Folks, you're all ignoring TWO IMPORTANT POINTS;
(1) Because of this abonormally long campaign season, which started WAY too early, we've had time to learn to hate candidates we otherwise wouldn't have had time to hate until AFTER they were elected, and
(2) For those of you who are complaining that the conservatives are hanging on to abortion as their singular issue, abortion is THE bottom-line issue for BOTH parties; NO issue is more important for the Democrats to protect, and NO issue means as much to the CONSERVATIVE Republicans.

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TERRY O TUCSON, AZ — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:15:01 GMT

STEVE O IN SEATTLE YOU ARE ONE SMART MAN... EVERYONE SHOULD READ THE WISDOM OF YOUR COMMENTS... I AGREE WITH YOU... PLEASE LETS VOTE FOR SOMEONE WHO CAN WIN NEXT NOVEMBER... PLEASE NO MORE CLINTONS

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martin schumacher, Westminster, MD — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:16:23 GMT

Rudy is a man of questionable character. The voters will think him and hillary are one inthe same. To put it lightly, he is na sleezeball. Huckabee or romney!

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EMack, Cleveland, Ohio — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:20:35 GMT

I am constantly amazed at all of the ignorant statements. Look folks, the world is not a nice place. People really want to destroy us and it's not all Bush's fault since its been going on for a lot longer that the past twenty years. In reference to the abortion bloodbath, it won't likely change no matter who's elected president due to legal president. Regarding the Iraq bloodbath and the bible, read the Old Testament, there's a whole lot of killing and dying going on. Yahweh is a jealous and righteous god. Al-Qiada is evil. Saddam Hussein and his sons were evil. If you don’t understand the basic truth of those last two statements along with the realization that the destruction of evil is just, especially when it saves lives of innocents, then you’re just a lamb among wolves. It finally looks like Bush’s gamble in Iraq is paying off, the Sunni’s and Shia’s are now themselves fighting to rid their neighborhoods of the terrorists. We need a president who understands this and not another Jimmy Carter (sorry Dennis). As bad a socialist as Hillary is, she’s the only Demo who at least somewhat understands this. As for Giuliani, he may not be the best choice but you could do a lot worse. From a qualifications and temperament standpoint, Giuliani’s the best we got. I’m not crazy about some of his positions, but he’s been tested (brought NYC back to sanity, and of course 9/11), has survived media scandal, and understands political gamesmanship. Personally, as a conservative, I like Thompson’s positions better but I can live with Giuliani.

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Girlwithguns — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:22:43 GMT

Romney cannot beat Hillary, He is too slick and plastic. He actually reminds me of Bill Clinton. He just doesnt appear genuine. Sorry, I want to like him but cant. 1 vote for Rudy.

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John C. Vorland, Los Angeles, CA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:23:38 GMT

And to Richard Vales... You have nothing against Nazi's?

Shame on you. Are you an American? Did we not fight WWII to defeat the Nazi's? Unbelievable.

And to equate Mormons with Nazis is IDIOCY.

A note to everyone who loves Ron Paul. I love the guy too, but he would pull us out of Iraq. Is that really what you want, to see all-out genocide there?

Perhaps we shouldn't have gone into Iraq. But we're there now, and we can't have the rest of the world see America retreating with our tail between our legs. That's what radical Islam wants.

We made promises to the people of Iraq that we would help them. If we leave, everyone who has taken OUR SIDE in that country WILL BE DEAD.

We need to suck it up and win this. And it might take 10 or 15 years.

If America doesn't stand by our word, WHO WILL EVER RESPECT US AGAIN?

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Tom, Nevada — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:24:50 GMT

Giuliani's known and documented history.

Endorsed ultra liberal Mario Cuomo for a fourth term as NY Governor in 1994.

Has been married three times.

Found using City of NY and NYPD funds to pay for his sexual liaisons with his mistress.

Nominated Bernard Kerik for Homeland Security Dept. Mr. Kerik in now under Federal felony indictment.

Supports Homosexual marriage and the Gay lifestyle agenda. Giuliani also lived with a Gay couple in their Manhattan apartment while seeking a divorce from wife #2.

Giuliani is anti Second Amendment. He stood shoulder to shoulder with Sen Charles Schumer, Sara Brady and Handgun Control Inc. [now the Brady Campaign] seeking to make NYC style gun laws, Federal Law across the nation.

Giuliani is an unapologetic Abortion Rights advocate. He simply cannot be trusted to appoint constructionist judges given his past appointments, nominations and endorsements.

Any taxes he may have cut in NYC is purely coincidental. Because NYC was and still is the high tax capital of the western hemisphere. If taxes went down some under Giuliani you can rest assured that user fees, tolls, surcharges and fines such as parking ticket hikes more than made up for any minor decrease in NYC's tax rate.

One of the few and possibly the most important item of then Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich's [Contract With America] only two of the speaker's ten point proposals to be enacted into law. The very thing Ronald Reagan most called for during his presidency, the Line Item Veto. To give a president the legal ability to control reckless government spending by congress and to lower the deficit and to secure our economy and future. This law was overturned in court because then Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani; Lawyer, Giuliani; budget buster, Giuliani; big government guy, Giuliani; Federal handout seeker, Giuliani; former Democrat until it served his own purpose, his own personal political agenda to become a Rockefeller Republican to be appointed as US Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Giuliani. Yes, this Giuliani who in today running for US president in the GOP primary, sued to have the Line Item Veto overturned by the Supreme court.

Dressed up as a woman several times and kissed Donald Trump on thr lips and God knows where else.

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Annie — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:25:12 GMT

I live in NY and Rudy is a results guy. I've witnessed it. Don't fret the ones within our borders, fret those on the outs. Good Americans come in all sorts of packages. Just be patriotic for 'christ' sake. We're under attack from all directions. We need someone who fight and who can beat Hillary. Meak and mild need not apply.

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Denver Bevins, Augusta, GA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:26:50 GMT

I can't believe there is not more mention of Ron Paul here. Don't Christians care about the Truth? RP is now the leading fundraiser this quarter and he CAN beat any Democrate. Why deny him when all he has done for 30 years is fight for freedom and our Constitution? Dare to hope for what is right!

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David Vlieger, Brewster MN — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:27:51 GMT

I am pro life, pro traditional marriage. I am also pro green, pro worker, and think Bush screwed up in Iraq. (No weapons of mass destruction, and declaring the war over shortly after it started) I usually vote republican because of their stance on social issues. If the republicans give me a liberal on the social issues like the Dems are; I will naturally vote for a pro green, pro worker, pro common sense thinking on international affairs candidate.

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Liberty or Death, Cape Canaveral Florida — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:27:59 GMT

Clinton,Giuliani,McCain,Obamo,Huckabee,Thompson,Edwards, are all interchangeable. They will all do the same crap; export American jobs, import third world immigrants (legal and otherwise) to take what jobs aren't exported. Entangle America's military overseas instead of keeping them here to protect the USA. Increase the power of the fedgov while slowing abolishing our rights. In other words, they will ignore the US Constitution and destroy the nation while working to bring about a 1 world government. "if we don't vote for Rudy, Hillary will get in" like voting for Stalin would've somehow been better than voting for Hitler ??!! Evil is still evil. I will write in the same name I've written in the past 3 presidential elections - Ron Paul. The 2 elections before that I wrote in Howard Phillips' name. I won't vote for a person who will totally destroy this once great nation !!!

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William Graves, Davis, CA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:29:57 GMT

These idiots should stop threatening us. Fine, do your worst. Ultimately, we'll be better off without you.

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John Doe, Seattle, Wash — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:32:02 GMT

The Repubs will take a bath no matter what. Rudy is a man who favors the culture of death, Huckabee has a blind eye to illegals, Rommney frankly is whatever he is selling this time around, McCain is unstable, and Thompson is too sleepy. I simply in good faith, cannot vote for any of them. It's a shame because the Dems are very weak this year no matter who they nominate. But to a Republican who sees the country being destroyed from the inside out, there is no pick within the Republican candidates.

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Dave, Tequesta ,Florida — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:32:26 GMT

When was the last Eastener elected--thats right JFK. Before that Frank Rosevelt was the last. This country doesn't like Easterners, let alone elect them to the highest office in the land.

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Roger Russell Redding Ca. — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:36:23 GMT

I want a republican to vote for! The party is giving us RINO's and I'm not sure I can hold my breath long enough to vote for any of them! Remember Bush 41 lost, Dole lost..RINO's don't do well in elections. Bush 43 won by lying about being a conservative, and I don't take kindly to being lied to again. This time around I still want a constitutionally minded conservative to vote for. Too bad they won't let us hear from Duncan Hunter.

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Paul, Eugene, OR — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:40:33 GMT

Remember, a bad Republican is STILL better than a good Dem. So, just hold your nose and pull the lever (I know, there are no levers anymore)and vote for the party's nominee. There just aren't any Ronald Reagan's around at the moment.

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P, Arlington, Texas — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:44:13 GMT

I wish political activists would stop threatening to take their marbles and go home if they don't get their way and their least favorite Republican is nominated. Unless they consider Obama or Clinton better for the country than Giuliani then they are putting their petty pride above the good of the nation. Support your favorite candidate but support the nominee, whoever that is, even if not your favorite. Has concern for the common good been completely lost?

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Steve I. — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:44:39 GMT

"We cannot afford to nominate somebody who's out of touch with the base."

what this guy doesn't udnerstand, is that "the base" is out of touch with the rest of the republican voters out there - who are tired of running election after election with abortion and terry schiavo as the most important issues.

ABSOLUTELY. Beating Hillary with the candidate that appeals to the widest number of people is should be EVERY REPUBLICAN'S **ONLY** ISSUE IN 2008. You may not agree with Rudy on everything, but I guarantee you you'd agree EVEN LESS WITH A PRESIDENT RODHAM.

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Thomas M. Charleston, WV — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:48:51 GMT

I have been a Reaganite since I was 10 years old, I have voted for the Republican Presidential candidate since I turned 18. I WILL NOT VOTE FOR RUDY. No matter what.

It not just about about abortion, it is a matter of trust. Rudy is willing to do or say anything to get elected, just like Bill Clinton.

He has twisted himself in knots trying to explain his newly revised positions on gun control, abortion, and gay marraiges. He still thinks sanctuary cities are ok.

I can't vote for that, I will not vote for that, even IF he is the Republican Party nominee.

Rudy vs. Hillary '08 It doesn't matter who wins, because either way WE LOSE.

Thomas M.

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anyname anycity anystate — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:50:38 GMT

Anyone of the republicans are stronger cannidates then the democratic field. There is no one canidate though that stands out they all have faults if it isn't abortion it is immigration if it isn't immigration it is pulling out of a war before we have finished the job. But when it comes down to it I will vote for the most qualified and closest to my beliefs, One with core values and convictions, One who can change course when he is wrong and one who convictions are in smaller government with less intervention and expanding personal FREEDOM! Democrates are the antithesis of these issues. As it is late I hope this makes sence. We need a rebirth of the type of thing William Wallis wanted in Braveheart cause this is man's desire and destiny and when tyriany and injust beatdown men's heart this voice will always surface and rise up for men need to be free.

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BJ, Spokane, WA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:54:30 GMT

It doesn't have to be a choice between Giuliani and Hillary. That's only what Rudy wants you to believe. It bolsters his case and forces people to vote for him out of fear that another Clinton will take the White House.

Just last week polls came out showing that every major Republican candidate would beat Hillary in a general. Now, I'm not suggesting that is the case. However, we don't need to vote in fear. Vote for the best candidate that supports your positions.

For me, the vote is easy. Romney won over the most liberal state in the world. If Evangelicals can put aside their hatred for Mormons this country will get a socially and fiscally conservative in the White House.

BTW - a vote for Huckabee is a vote for Rudy.

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James W. Boyd, McMinnville, TN — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:58:46 GMT

If I could determine what and who would take control after the disappointment and blinders of GWB, I would prefer a REVOLUTION that eliminated all the traitors from Congress (which would almost deplete the entire mess), remove all Democrats and Republicans from authority (none of whom really support the Constitution, and purge the brain dead juiciary and replace them with Americans. I support a REVOLUTION, not an eletion. Freedom was won and has been preserved by bullets, not ballots.

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Rational Voter, Small Town, IN — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:59:40 GMT

Check out one of the latest Zogby polls, Huckabee is the candidate who beat Hillary by the widest margin. He has risen from obscurity, primarily due to his debating. NO candidate can beat Huck in a debate. He's authentic conservative (social & fiscal)...proof of fiscal (read the rebuttals to the attacks on Huck's tax record)...FAIRTAX is the most conservative / rational system...check it out. Also response to earlier post...yes the president does have great control over social/moral issues like abortion, gay marriage, gun control, thought crimes, and many other topics. To say these don't matter is ridiculous. This group has every right to express concerns and many of them are legit. Rudy oppose FairTax and stinks to high heaven on social issues. His benefit, he's a forceful leader (who pursues his OWN desires). Politics as usual.

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Brian, Levittown, New York — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:59:53 GMT

Ok Everyone. Here are a few facts. Rudy took a cesspool of a city and cleaned it up. New York City is a "blue" city and Rudy was elected as a republican. There isn't a person in the New York City area who didn't complain about Rudy. He upset everyone. In the end however, we all loved him. Why? Because of his results. Rudy made New York City nice. I would say he made it nice again, but I never new it as "nice" until Rudy was mayor.

New York, New Jersey and Connecticut. These are three blue states, and they add up to a lot of electoral votes, and Rudy can paint these three states red. Rudy has a better chance in the general election than any other republican. When Rudy says he's going to do something, he does it.

Sept. 11, 2001 is not the reason we love him here, it's because he made our city a nice place. The man cleaned up not just Times Square, but all five boroughs. Rudy doesn't go around making up new laws either, he gets the ones on the books enforced. He says he'll stop the illegal immigration problem at the border. That means he'll do it.

Rudy is the right man for the job, and these people who think they're the base have to get their heads out of their you know whats.

Let's look at the whole picture or we really will have a blood bath. Hillary will be easy to beat, that's why she won't get the nomination. Rudy is the best bet to beat any democrat.

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Bill Harring, Lexington, SC — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:01:00 GMT

I would suggest you all take a couple of steps back and do some homework. Fred Thompson is the only true consrvative. He has not changed in his puplic life. He has a clear simple conservatie message (see Regan1980) that appeals to all Americans He is balanced in all aspects and has no skeletons in his closet. What you see is what you get and Ilike what I see. For more see WWW.FRED08.COM

PS Because of the make up of the supreme court we can't afford to lose this election. But you don't become president by sticking your finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing and then compromise your beliefs or by changing your core beliefs to get elected.

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Albert, Chicago, Il — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:05:08 GMT

Skip the neo-cons..... support RON PAUL!!!
The neo-cons sent your jobs away, your kids to fight their wars, and supported open borders. The neo-cons and their candidates are trojan horses for the destruction of the Republican Party. Don't let them play the religious folks as fools! SUPPORT RON PAUL!!!!

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Steve Slatten, Austin, TX — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:05:57 GMT

I love the fact that you Republicans can't agree on a single candidate. The only TRUE conservative in this race is Ron Paul. He's against the income tax, he's pro-life, and he wants to reduce spending. None of you will vote for him, however, because he's calling the U.S. occupation of a Iraq exactly what it is: the worst foreign policy blunder in a century. So, he's got this conservative Democrat's vote.

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Andy Spen, Orlando, FL — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:07:25 GMT

I find it laughable that the main threat to not just this country, but to the Western world as a whole, is fundamentalist Islam and the theocracies it imposes on government. And yet, so many people in this country want exactly the same here - a fundamentalist Christian theocracy.

If these people have their way, the United States will join the Middle East in the Dark Ages.

Thank God - literally - that not all Christians and other Americans think the same way.

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jdawg, quad cities, iowa — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:08:50 GMT

I live in Iowa, I probably would not vote for Rudy, and I also wish that these assholes would move to some other country.

I voted for Bush but I like right wing conservative religious freaks less than any other group.

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Tony V, Chicago, IL — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:09:32 GMT

Who would he rather have, Hillary Clinton?

You hardline conservatives, mark my words, if you defeat Giuliani in the primary, you WILL ELECT HILLARY CLINTON TO THE WHITE HOUSE.

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CB Las Vegas, NV — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:10:40 GMT

According to an article linked from the DrudgeReport, as governor Huckabee raised taxes more than Bill Clinton. Those of you who like him simply for being a social conservative (with a questionable record on illegals) need to wake up.

If the Republicans pick him, it's game over for the GOP in 2008.

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Phil Debasket — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:13:07 GMT

Iowans - HA! What do you expect from people who's zip code is E-I-E-I-O !!

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Dennis D New Jersey — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:15:48 GMT

Rudy is a strong leader . He has a good track record. He turned New York City from a sewer to a decent place again. He told Arafat to shove it and tried to keep him out of NYC. He told the Saudis to take their 911 donation check and shove it. I know Rudy is socially liberal. But at this time in history Rudy is the right man for the job. Did Reagan or Bush 41 or Bush 43 end Abortion or Homosexality? Certainly not. Abortion will only end with education.

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Cleo — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:21:32 GMT

I will stay home before I vote for Rudy. IF Rudy gets in it makes no difference if Hellery was to get in or not. Rudy is nothing more then Hellery light. It's Huckabee, or It can be Hellary. If the Rep party
don't stand for anything other then Hellary light then why get in. A lot of people whine about the abortion platform, but I feel if we can't stop the killing of the unborn then this country can and should go down the drain period. I for one am going
to vote my conscious even if it puts Hillary in.

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Bryan Okc Ok — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:21:47 GMT

At least for me, it has nothing to do with abortion. I'm not Christian but I am conservative and I couldn't vote for Giuliani. First off, He's not all that conservative. Secondly, the man is a sleaze bag. He's every bit as bad as Clinton when it comes to his personal life. While a lot of people would say that a candidate's personal life has nothing to do with their ability to hold office, it does reflect on their personality and morals (or lack of). If conservatives said character mattered when Clinton was in office, they should hold Giuliani to the same standard.
If Guiliani is nominated you will see a lot of conservatives voting third party. I know I will. He won't get my vote just to keep the otherside for winning. I use my vote to vote for a candidate not against the other side's candidate.

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Ed — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:22:35 GMT

jaun (Ft. Lauderdale),

It's nice to see your true motivation; intolerance and cowardice..

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RON G — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:22:39 GMT

look at where we are as a country!who got us where we are?the Bushes the Clintons most of are so called represenatives,senators the powers that be.Huckabee is being sold to the public as coming up fast in the polls because most republicans do not like the canadates being shoved down our throates by the powers that be, and will continue taking our country down the wrong road.Ron Paul won't get the nod because people keep saying he won't. I would rather throw my vote away,rather then to vote for some one that will continue to ruin our country.we can not get change by voting for the same kind politicians that put us where we are and will continue in the same direction.spending trillions on illegal war,allowing our jobs to be taken out of country,our food is unsafe and we are importing a great deal more every year when we use to feed the world!supporting big business instead of the family farmers that feed us the best and safest food in the world ,allowing geneticly modified food. taking our rights and freedom away look at there records, and look at Ron Pauls record. have you had enough yet?

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Brian Jones, Seattle, Washington — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:24:06 GMT

The Republicans have only one top candidate who is not left of center, that candidate is Fred Thompson. I find it hard to believe that the Republican base has shifted to the left as much as the Democrat party has. Time will tell, however Thompson is the only one in the Reagan mold. Time to get serious about winning in 08. All the top Dems are to the left of George McGovern, the country does not want Communism. The last time the Dems had a majority (as in greater than 50%) of the vote for president was the Carter race in 76. Bill Clinton (39% in 92) only won due to Ross Perot. Time to get behind Thompson and go for a win, the future of the country depends on us.
PS. The comments attacking Christians above are not from a Republican any more than the Hillary plant questioners on the CNN debate.

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William K, Blytheville Arkansas — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:28:10 GMT

I have lived in Arkansas my whole life and Mike Huckabee worked wonders for our state after the Clintons left. People need to shut up talking if they don't know anything. People are talking like they know Mike Huckabee and they don't even live close to Arkansas. If anything, he unified our state!!

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Chris C, New Mexico — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:28:38 GMT

Isn't "Al Quaeda" Arabic for "The Base"?

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Jason — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:29:49 GMT

You honestly think Rudy will vote for strict constructionist judges? His entirely politically career has been left of center. He's no liberal, but he definitely isn't a conservative. He's playing to the primary base, but once he gets the nomination, he's going right back to being the typical moderate that he is. You Christian Conservatives need to understand that the primary is just a game. Look at a man's record first. Tell me, at what point did he ever vote or do something in your favor while mayor of NYC?

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jack meoffe — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:39:07 GMT

elect rudi & hillary the heshe will win
She is:
Conniving
Underhanded
Nasty
Terrible

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blah blah blah, whatever, wherever — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:40:30 GMT

Shiite or Sunni... decisions... decisions... oh, well... just so long as he's one of us.

NONE OF THE ABOVE SHEOPLE!!!

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bachubhai — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:43:39 GMT

Rudy ought to know that there is nothing a publicly staged water baptism in prime-time can not fix. Or a walk on at the Crystal cathedral might do the trick as well.

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Concerned in Iowa — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:46:13 GMT

Anyone really think Steve Scheffler and the Iowa Christian Alliance would sit this election out and allow Hillary to become President and see their agenda go by the wayside? Well, all you have to do is look at 2006 when they abandoned Jim Nussle for Governor in Iowa by staying home and letting extremely liberal Chet Culver win (and surrendering the House and Senate in Iowa as well). And then they wonder why none of their issues get any play when the Legislature is in session! And they scream when a liberal, Democrat appointed judge rules to allow gays to marry in Iowa.

In essence, Mr. Scheffler and his ICA abandoned Nussle not because of any of his policies but because he was divorced! They ignored the fact that he was remarried and in a wonderful and loving marriage for years since his divorce. That is how narrow-minded these so-called Christians are. So, yes, if Rudy is the nominee many of them will stay home and abandon the Party and allow Hillary to win. And then they'll bemoan all of her actions when she dismantles everything they worked for since Reagan won office.

So Rudy was a Democrat and Romney was pro-choice. Let me see, Reagan was a pro-choice Democrat who was divorced, too! Seems to me he did a pretty good job despite those "handicaps!" And the social conservatives saw their agenda advanced under Reagan and even further under Newt Gingrich, who according to some of these posters should never have been trusted since his wives could not trust him! Why not get out of these candidates bedrooms and look at their public policies?! If you do that, the record looks rather clear. Romney and Giuliani are proven leaders.

We can talk about Ron Paul, Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo and others. But this election is more about leadership than any single policy issue. And the Congressmen have never assumed a leadership mantle in their many years in Congress! If you cannot lead a body of 435 how can you assume to lead the strongest nation in the world?!

Yes, Hillary will raise taxes and implement the destruction of the social conservatives' agenda, destroying this country in the process. Obama would do much of the same. And neither is a real leader, as they shift positions based on the latest poll numbers.

Romney has been a business phenomenon, understands economics, pulled off a miraculous turnaround of the Olympics, and inherited a $300 million deficit in Massachusetts and turned it around without increasing taxes.

Rudy inherited a city bigger than most states in this country that was hemorrhaging at the seams. He turned it around with a City Council that was 90 percent Democrat and he did it without raising taxes. He was tough on crime and implemented some socially conservative programs as well.

Both are charismatic leaders who are wonderful speakers. Both are more Reaganesque than anyone in the GOP field and far superior to Hillary or Obama on the issues.

Don't assume the Christian Right will wake up and come out against Hillary in some move of desperation. Steve Scheffler and his followers (yes, many will blindly follow him off the cliff!) have proven that they will put their principles ahead of any common sense and long-term vision.

Mr. Scheffler will instruct his minions to sit on the sidelines if Rudy is the nominee. While he appeared to be supporting Romney in Dubuque, don't be fooled. His people have been heard to state that a Mormon cannot win and is unfit for the office.

If they abandoned Jim Nussle in '06, after initially agreeing to back him (when his campaign merged with their preferred choice of Bob Vander Plaats, who was clearly unelectable), simply because he had been divorced, why would they ever support Rudy or Romney?

The GOP needs to support a candidate who has the leadership ability this country needs with all it is facing. And it needs to understand that it will have to win without significant numbers of Steve Schefflers out there!

The best hope is a Romney or Guiliani who can appeal to the Reagan Blue-Dog Dems to oust Hillary, since the radical right will abandon the GOP nominee no matter what they tell you today.

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BillyClintenn — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:46:15 GMT

Go Romney!

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p3orion — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:46:20 GMT

Everyone pairing Rudy vs. Hillary needs to broaden their view beyond what the media has been cramming down out throats. Hillary is going to fade after the first few primaries (which will be fun to watch) and Edwards will be the answer to a trivia question no one knows in ten years. That lightweight Obama will get the nomination, and bring in Bill Richardson to wrap up the Hispanic vote and fight the (true) accusations of inexperience. The Republican ticket will be two out of Romney, Huckabee, and Thompson. Hard to tell which ticket will win in the general election, but Rudy will end up in the cabinet of whichever administration, and possibly McCain as SecDef.

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jack meoffe — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:48:05 GMT

elect rudi & hillary will win
She is:
Conniving
Underhanded
Nasty
Terrible

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Nick Reid, Rapid City, SD — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:50:21 GMT

I would rather see Hillary in the White House than have the soul of the Republican party taken away by Guliani. If Rudy is the nominee, I'm voting for Donald Duck.

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Dennis Shane, Mesa, AZ — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:52:46 GMT

Giuliani will never win the vote of evangelicals unless it becomes a matter of taking a bullet to a limb rather than to the head. Read why Huckabee is the candidate of choice for cultural conservatives by visiting Sonoran Alliance: http://sonoranalliance.com/?p=1721

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Matt, Maplewood, MN — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:54:21 GMT

This election poses a difficult question to both Republicans and Democrats. The question is this: Are you willing to sacrifice your principles to win? Let's face it - Rudy is anathema to much of what the Republican party purports to stand for, and Hillary has supported many of the bills and issues (e.g. Iraq war funding bills, Patriot Act, and so on) which many Democrats oppose. I for one have sworn off of voting against my principles. Ron Paul is the real deal! He has been consistent over time, and has shown himself to be a man who will defend the Constitution as president. If Ron Paul is not the nominee, I see little point in voting for another empty suit Republican. As far as I'm concerned, if Rudy is the nominee, the Republicans deserve to lose and lose big, as they stand for nothing.

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CO Christian Conservative — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:54:36 GMT

Primary.....Huckabee
General.....Rudy......
Reality Check to beat Hellary.........
Don't mess with our minds....They're made up.....

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Linda, Southwest- Washington — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:55:34 GMT

You know, you are not limited to just choice A.- Goolianni, who in no way represents American ideals, and not a rep. by definition; or B- the Democrat/socialist in 'christian' disguise Huckabee- use your vote. Vote for Liberty- freedom inALIENABLE by your CREATOR and solid in the paper the Constitution and stood for in the choice of Ron Paul. Why choose to stay in THE NEW Egypt, or listen to the 10 SPIES saying their are giants in the land....take hold of the freedom ahead even when 'they' say it is impossible. No more wicked, big government, GLOBALISTS on US soil- vote for freedom and sovreignty as a people!

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The BIG DOG, Sioux City, IA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:57:34 GMT

After reading all of the comments, it is evident that we have a serious problem facing us and very few of you understand what the problem is.

Mr. Scheffler is correct when he states that we will have a "blood-bath" at the polls if Rudy is the nominee. The rationale behind his statement is this: conservative, evangelical Christians will stay home in droves if Rudy is the nominee. Like it or not, if both the Democrat and Republican nominees hold pro-choice, pro same-sex marriage views, true Bible believing Christians will have a hard time in casting a vote for either one. Thus, again like it or not, the Republican Party does not come out ahead with Rudy Guiliani as it's nominee.

Face the facts, you can't win without us so let's get behind a true conservative now--before the caucus & primaries and propel a true Republican to the White House. Go Fred!

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Dr. James P. Feury, Atlanta, GA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:58:15 GMT

Iowa Christians...more like Iowa idiots...blood bath…please. It is this short sightedness which will put Hillary into office. Please don't cut off our collective nose so you can spite our collective face. Do you really want to wake up and find the Senator from New York and her twice elected president husband running the country…AGAIN!

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BillBob, Surprise, AZ — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:02:22 GMT

Here here on Romney! I'd love nothing more than to see conventional wisdom fall by the wayside in '08 ie Republicans can't beat Hillary and a Mormon cannot get elected.

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Jim, El Segundo, Ca. — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:03:12 GMT

Ron Paul for President

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Tim Bryant, Ft Worth, TX — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:05:27 GMT

As a card-carrying (but NOT snake handling) member of the Religious Right, I'm inclined to vote for Huck. I'm afraid we're going face challenges that NO human wisdom is up to. I'd like a President who might actually ask the Lord for guidance. I've spent twenty years holding my nose and voting for someone who claimed to believe as I do. Then, with the next breath said something like "Of course, I can't let my deeply-held religious beliefs interfere with my office." If your faith is something you can leave at home in the sock drawer, it wont change your life, and it wont save your soul. I think Mike gets that.In the end though, God is still God, whoever sits in the Oval Office.

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Kevin , Colorado Springs, CO — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:09:46 GMT

Why argue about the lesser of two evils? Vote for Ron Paul and have no evil. You say "he doesn't have a chance". Vote and he will. Even the evil media can't dig up any dirt on the guy.

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DAVE, INDIANA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:10:26 GMT

I WILL VOTE FOR RUDY, McCain, HUCK, or Fred, Hell I will vote for anyone that can beat CLINTON..

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JeffW,Fernandina,fl. — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:14:38 GMT

Yeah,folks if we don't hang together( a nominee who can beat Billary)in this endevour,we shall surely hang separately(and I quote).

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Mike, Highlands Ranch, CO — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:15:51 GMT

I am a conservative Christian and will be voting for the only man who has the proven integrity, honesty and conservative values in the race, Dr. Ron Paul. Pro-Life, Pro-2nd Amendment, Pro-States Rights, Pro-Constitution, Small Government, Pro getting rid of the income tax and many other government programs that are against Liberty. He has been married to the same woman for 50 years. He tells the truth and honors his word. He judges everything based on whether it is even authorized in the constitution. It's sad that many so called Christians would vote for a liberal in conservative clothing just to 'win'. Sad. Do your homework people, vote for the man with some real godly character, not just who the media says 'can win'. He is also the only one who can nullify the dems anti-war position. They are all big government statists compared to him.

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Fred, Houston, Texas — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:18:55 GMT

Huckabee is an open borders, tax and spend Democrat liberal. He will be a global elitist like The Bushes & Clinton Corporation. Conservatives were duped by Bush - don't get duped again by Huckabee. He was stammering during the debate on why he gave illegal aliens scholarships and tuition breaks. Mitt, Thompson, Tancredo and Hunter are far better choices than pro-illegal alien Huckabee.

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William — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:22:08 GMT

Some of these post are stupid.. Huckabee? electable? Can you people not see how much of a slick talking politician he is. Elect Huckabee and get ready for another 4 years of phoney conservative president selling out America, a repeat of Bush. Tancredo is obviously the only one who is'nt a professional liar, but he nationally does'nt do well in polls. I think Fred Thompson would be the best chance we have of getting a conservative into the whitehouse.

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M. Bennett, Tacoma, WA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:25:19 GMT

Hmmm!

Hillary or Rudy.

That reminds me of the episode of South Park where the students had to choose a new school mascot.

Their choices were either a “GIANT DOUCHE” or “TURD SANDWICH.”

You Rudy supporters may decided which more appropriately describes Rudy.

The only true Republican running is Dr. Ron Paul. When I say “true Republican” I mean one that supports smaller less intrusive government. All the others are socialists who put an “R” by their name and worship government.org.

Rudy=Hillary=Obama=Romney=Huckabee=McCain=and the other republicrats running with the exception of Paul.

Your only real choice is between a noble, well-educated patriot who believes in upholding his oath of office, or a bunch of power-hungry egomaniacs who believe that huge intrusive government will work if only THEY are given all the power.

Grow up folks. Time in running out to make a difference.

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Barb, Pittsburgh, PA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:26:31 GMT

TS, Arkansas, the audacity to say this.

***Yeah, bloodbath for the Republicans. We wont vote for Rudy PERIOD. he needs to run as a Dem. The reasons we wont vote for Rudy are the same ones we wont vote for Hillary, Obama, Edwards etc...***

Ummm, WHAT?? Sorry, but Giuliani, even as liberal as he MAY APPEAR to be, he's no "blame-America-for-everything-bad-in-the-world" socialist pig, like "Hillary, Obama, Edwards, etc..."

TS, You are a fool.

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Linda — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:29:07 GMT

Who cares about Romney's religion, or Rudy's. I agree with neither. I'm not voting for a national religious leader. This is America, after all. We believe in freedom of religion. I will vote for someone who will not pack the courts with total leftists as Rudy did in NY. And Huckabee is nuts if he thinks the Congress will let him get rid of the IRS. Romney professes the beliefs of most conservatives. He has run businesses, the Olympics, and Taxachussettes. It takes great conservative leadership to convince a bunch of democrat nuts in that state to vote for him. Romney has the character, demeanor, common sense and leadership ability to be a GREAT PRESIDENT!

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Joel Wiseman, Seattle, WA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:33:40 GMT

What many here don't seem to understand, is that making 'morals' a major issue is for some folks (like me) more important than the simple practicality some express - which is 'means justifies the end'. As Pat Buchannan says (yes, go ahead and make fun of him), "with Giuliani, the Republican party may retain power, but in doing so will see it's soul'. I agree and could go for Romney, whose morman beliefs hold no fear for me. By the way, I'm Catholic.

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Cleo — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:35:41 GMT

<<<<John Bloodbath? I'm a Democrat as are most of my friends, and we will be voting for Rudy. You remember us Regan democrats? We'll here come the Giuliani democrats. Hopefully you ultra conservative religious wacko's won't screw it up for the rest of us. >>>>>>

A Democrat voting for Rudy is enough for me not to vote for him. That should tell a real Rep something.

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Ron Richey, St. Johns Arizona — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:39:55 GMT

A vote for Huck is a Vote for Rudy. Don't believe me? Take a look here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/02/wuselec102.xml

How Huck can sleep at night is beyond me. This ought to make every supporter of Huckabee sit up and take notice. He's giving aide and comfort to the enemy.

Go Mitt!

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C. V. — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:40:42 GMT

I will never vote for Giulianni. If he is elected, the Republican's will never nominate a pro-life candidate again.

That being said, the writing was on the wall at the last Republican convention. Every prime-time speaker was a pro-abort Republican. They were "priming" us, don't ya see.

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Joe S., Bellevue, Wash. — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:42:18 GMT

Rudy is torture, imperialism, tyranny. He is the small man in search of a balcony, with ties to a pedophilic priest and organized crime.

He is not the center, he is a psychotic deviant far from the psychological norm.

Why were you were walking the streets on 9-11, Rudy? Was it not because your Command Center was in Building 7? And why was it there, if not to be near your mistress?

The more America learns about Rudy, the more his poll numbers decline. He is behind in the early primary states and will likely not win a single primary. He will probably drop out early, for 'health reasons.'

In the end it will be said, "It can't happen here with a man who isn't there."

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Nanellen, Sammamish, WA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:42:44 GMT

Mike Huckabee is best candidate. He has the right message, the right plan, and he has the personality and wit to win people over. When he was the first Republican Governor in Arkansas - an overwhelmingly Democrat state - he left a balanced budget, a surplus, worked with the Legislature to improve roads and education, and cut taxes 94 times.

Memo to Rudy - Thanks but no thanks. We've already got the best candidate for the job.

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Paul, Portersville, PA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:53:28 GMT

Oh right! More Terry Schiavo and EFFECTIVE Amnesty like we have right now! Evangelicals need to just shut up and vote with the real base of the party.

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Walt Gee, Copperhill, TN — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:01:29 GMT

As a former pastor I can not in any good conscience vote anyone who is not a fiscal conservative who wishes to return this nation to Constitutional government. The lesser of two evils argument is not just wrong it glorifies evil itself by making evil good and good evil.
The Bushs and Clintons are very good friends and have vacationed together many times. Who do you all think you are kidding?
Me? I'm voting for Ron Paul !

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Cleo — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:03:13 GMT

Jeff Maddox,,republican candidate need only to look in the mirrow to see why, because any of the Democrat Candidates are no where close to the issues that the Republican "Conservative" base cares about. Get grip. If you have to, hold your nose and VOTE Republican because that is exactly what the Democrat voters will do to get their candidate elected.>>>>>

No thanks JEff, I'm sick and tired holding my nose and voting for the less of two evils.
I will not vote for anyone who doesn't protect the lives of the innocent, even if it means Hillary getting elected. If the Democrats and the Rep want to hold their nose and vote for Rudy just to keep Hillary out then we deserve what we get.
I will stay home election day. Come on people, we as
Americans have to stand for something besides voting for the less of two evils. When has life become so uninportant that we will sell out just to have power.
Nazi's done that.

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Matt Johnson — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:08:39 GMT

Ron Paul is the best candidate for the job. Pro-America, Pro-Life, Pro-Gun, Anti-Big govt., Pro-Constitution All The Way, Anti-Gay Marriage, Close Our Borders, Stop Interventionist Wars...etc. Can't say that for any of the other candidates. Wise up America and Vote Ron Paul 2008

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Rich Oljey — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:15:09 GMT

Guys like Steve Scheffler seem to always want to cut off their nose to spite their face. Any Republican that is currently running, with the exception of Ron Paul, would make a better president than Hillary Clinton. And this includes Rudy Giuliani. If Christian conservatives can't wrap their thoughts around this, then they deserve Bill and Hill, Part 2. Whether it is Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, John McCain, Fred Thompson or Mike Huckabee, Republicans of all races, creeds or religions need to rally around the nominee. Let's not take our eyes of the ball here, people. The goal is to beat the Democratic nominee, presumably Hillary Clinton. Tune out the Schefflers of the world.

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Christine — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:18:08 GMT

I'm a fiscal conservative and I am so tired of the evangelicals acting like they speak for all conservatives. THEY DON'T!

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James, MY,NY — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:18:47 GMT

Huckabee? Is the Christian Conservative base really okay with someone whose answer to "what would Jesus do?" was "Jesus never ran for office"? Am I the only person of faith troubled by the fact that he so blatantly left his relationship with Christ outside of his answer. Sure, it was a question about the death penalty... but tell us that Jesus would throw the switch if that is what you think! Otherwise, I expect the Faith candidate (which is clearly what Huckabee is selling himself as) to stick to his guns and not author an argument that undoes ANY faith based political view.

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Patty Nottoli, Thousand Oaks, California — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:22:41 GMT

I just keep wondering why so many of you as well as the lamestream media continue to pretend Ron Paul doesn't exist. He's the only man running who can and will make a difference because he's the only constitutionalist. Would you vote for a founding father if he was running? Well, that's Ron Paul, doh.

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Jan, Marshfield WI — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:24:18 GMT

Former Giuliani speechwriter Fred Siegel told The Sunday Telegraph: "Right now, Huckabee is an unmitigated Godsend for Rudy." That's because Huckabee can't win the nomination so a vote for Huck (or for Fred) is a vote for Giuliani. Giuliani is a Republican Bill Clinton - a moral nightmare. Romney can beat Giuliani and Clinton. He has the organization and the bucks to do it. He will cut government spending, lower taxes and improve the economy. Mitt is our man! United we will beat Hillary. Vote Romney.

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Kevin Dog — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:25:03 GMT

If Rudy has two hamburgers and Hillary takes three how many chickens does that leave in the pot...Think about it.

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jdoe — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:26:43 GMT

So you approve all comments? How did you let the "Democrats are scum" one by? As I figured - asleep at the wheel.

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Jim B., Chicago, IL — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:30:46 GMT

Huckabee has a chance in Iowa because the media wants a race and Romney had it wrapped up. I think it is also clear that a Giuliani/Huckabee ticket is coming. This thing is being rigged hardcore. The only chance would be Romney. Giuliani knows he cannot win Iowa and also that if Romney does, he is in trouble. Huck is a liberal fiscally. He is a pastor, big freaking deal. I don't want a pastor, I want a smart, economically minded leader who will not try and preach from the "pulpit" of the white house. Romney or McCain would be fine by me. Romney has the better chance between the two so Romney is my vote. All of you Huckabee voters in Iowa who do not want Rudy, please do not vote Huckabee. He has no shot, besides telling a few one-liners on soft-balls thrown at him in the debate. Vote Romney, he is the only viable choice if you do not want Rudy.

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Cleo — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:31:41 GMT

Jedsil>>> Who among you can intelligently explain to me why any conservative should prefer Hillary over Rudy. I'm waiting. The silence is deafening. >>>>

Jedsil, the simple truth is, just like Hillary he can't be trusted. When will people learn, election year transformations into something they
haven't been in the past is just that. PHONY
He's liberal in so many ways there is no difference.

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Larry R Wendell Jr Kansas City, MO — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:34:20 GMT

Hey Steve Scheffler, put a sock in it! Obama, we know what he represents-Zilch; HC: Whose That? Rudy, has my vote, has since day one!

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Nathaniel Ortega Bronx, NY — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:47:47 GMT

If your still reading these idiot postings... GET A LIFE!

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Robert Morrow Austin, TX — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:57:03 GMT

THE BOTTOM LINE: HILLARY IS IRRESPONSIBLE WITH POWER

Dear American Friend, www.1984ArkansasMotherOfTheYear.com

I have attached my “Hillary file” which is culled from the 205+ books and other media that I have on Hillary and Bill. The Clintons are thugs. On the campaign trail in 2007 Hillary and Bill are play acting as the loving, respectful couple – singing each other’s praises on stage and engaging in public affection as they troll for votes.
In order to understand Hillary and Bill, one must first understand the wildly dysfunctional Jerry Springer lifestyle they have lived for 36 years. Hillary has covered for Bill who not only has had HUNDREDS of women, but also perpetrated several rapes and vicious sexual assaults, often involving biting the lips of the women victims. In order to cover up this Jerry Springer chaos, Hillary has often used Sopranos tactics: a secret police and criminal intimidation tactics to harass, intimidate and terrify Bill’s sex victims and girlfriends.

WE’VE HAD ENOUGH “EXPERIENCE” WITH HILLARY;
CLINTON BLACK OPERATIONS MUST STOP

These tactics include the savage beating/almost murder of Gennifer Flower’s neighbor (Gary Johnson – 6/26/92), criminal harassment campaigns on Kathleen Willey (1997-98 car vandalism, stole or killed her cat Bullseye, witness tampering), Liz Ward Gracen (who Bill probably raped [1983] while she was Miss America – harassed/threats, 1997), Gennifer Flowers (break-ins, threats, 1992), Sally Perdue (car vandalism, threats, 1992), Bobbie Ann Williams (break-in), Christy Zercher (a flight attendant, groped 1992, break-in, 1994), Patrick Knowlton (extreme harassment campaign Oct. 1995; witness tampering), Suzi Parker (a journalist harassed off Arkansas tainted prison blood scandal 1999, fearing for her life), Connie Hamzy (lying campaign, 1991) and Juanita Broaddrick (raped by Bill 1978, break-in and IRS audit when she went public in 1998). It is not a stretch to say that Hillary, Bill and Buddy Young may have organized the murder of their former contract employee Jerry Parks on 9/26/93 because he knew too much about the Clintons.
Hillary and Bill were well on the way to crucifying Monica Lewinsky as an unstable stalker, liar and fantasist - – and would have done so if Bill’s semen had not been found on Monica’s blue dress. Hillary’s private eyes were already digging into Monica’s past, when the real story was the Clintons’ criminal track record.
Additionally, biographer Roger Morris describes a vicious sexual assault by Bill on a woman (around 1980) on p.238 in his book Parters in Power. Journalist Michael Isikoff details a extremely crude sexual advance by President Bill in 1996 on a lady married to a Democratic VIP on p.162 of his book Uncovering Clinton. Additionally, pervert Bill exposed himself to Paula Jones in May, 1991 and also to Carolyn Moffet in 1979.
Other Clinton dysfunctions include Bill’s cocaine addiction as governor, Hillary’s lesbianism and the fact that Chelsea is probably the seed of Webb Hubbell, NOT Bill Clinton. Bill’s only offspring is probably Danny Williams, the product of deadbeat dad Bill’s cocaine-fueled sex orgies with (no condoms) drug-addicted street hooker Bobbie Ann Williams and her girlfriends back in 1983-84. Bill paid $200 to Gennifer Flowers so she could have an abortion in Jan., 1978, just 3 months before Bill’s double rape of Juanita Broaddrick on 4-25-78. Bill severely bit Juanita’s lip to disable her during the rapes. Also, wild Bill, brother “Roger the Dodger” and best friend Dan Lasater were partying with high school girls and providing them cocaine when Bill was governor in the early 1980’s.
And, of course, there is Hillary’s long and intense affair with Vince Foster who was her emotional husband while Bill was screwing everything in sight. Hillary has a long record of fomenting domestic violence with Bill. The Secret Service, fed up with this insanity, leaked to the press Hillary smashing a lamp during an argument with Bill. Hillary has often thrown objects at victim Bill.
Hillary has used criminal tactics such as a secret police and illegal IRS audits to go after both political enemies and Bill’s sex victims and girlfriends. It was probably Clintons’ FBI who put a rotating harassment team of 25 people on Patrick Knowlton, a witness in the Vince Foster investigation, on October 26, 1995, and continuing for a week. What the Clintons did to Patrick Knowlton was Clinton street fascism as well as witness tampering.
This was a prelude to the intimidation campaign waged on Kathleen Willey in 1997-98 before her deposition in the Paula Jones case. Paula Jones who Bill exposed himself to, rape victim Juanita Broaddrick, probable rape victim Liz Ward Gracen, and mistress Gennifer Flowers all got audited by Clintons’ IRS in the late 1990’s.
Floyd Brown’s offices were burglarized in 1992 and only his Clinton files were stolen. Brown’s private phone conversations were illegally wiretapped by Hillary’s goon Jack Palladino. Another one of Hillary’s thugs, Anthony Pellicano is in jail in LA for the same kind goon tactics he did for the Clintons in 1992.
Clinton biographer Emmett Tyrrell also had his offices twice broken into and his NY apartment invaded once. The manuscript of Tyrrell’s book Boy Clinton was stolen when he couriered it to Robert Novak for a blurb. Clintons thugs tried to intimidate 2 of Tyrrell’s researchers in Little Rock.
Also, at least one independent counsel in the 1990’s took to carrying a gun after being harassed by Clinton goons in yet another intimidation event.

HILLARY TREATS PEOPLE LIKE DIRT
LIKE THEY ARE “INVISIBLE”

Many people close to the Clintons describe Hillary as rude, vulgar and abusive, not just with staff and co-workers, but especially with Bill who she made a sport of ridiculing, according to L.D. Brown, Bill’s favorite state trooper. Hillary is well known for making mean, vicious and personally degrading comments often towards people who work for and with her. She probably got that from her dad Hugh Rodham, a deeply disturbed man.
Hillary and Bill are sociopaths, not unlike serial killers such as Ted Bundy. Seemingly personable and normal while brown nosing wealthy contributors or opinion makers, Hillary and Bill have no regard for the integrity and well being of others. They disregard rules and lie with practiced ease, not feeling guilt or empathy for others.
Bill is the kind of guy who can rape your sister upstairs and then come down to the living room and tell you what a great book he has read about women’s rights. Hillary is the kind of person who can be in the kitchen calling up a secret police to terrify your rape victim sister into silence, and then come out to the living room and ask what do you think about her latest speech on women’s and children’s rights.
Some of the goons that Hillary has used to cover up her and Bill’s Jerry Springer lifestyle and criminal activity include Ivan Duda (1982), Jerry Parks (1980’s), Jack Palladino (1992) and Anthony Pellicano (1990’s). Pellicano is now in JAIL in Los Angeles for the same kind of thug intimidation tactics that Hillary hired him for. Also, Buddy Young, the head of Bill’s trooper detail and who Bill made #2 at FEMA, is additionally a dangerous criminal that Hillary and Bill has employed in their black operations. Terry Lenzer is also someone Hillary has used extensively.
Please forward this information to your Democratic friends and co-workers and ask that they (and you) vote for and support John Edwards, Barack OBAMA, Bill Richardson or any other Democratic candidate, and NOT Hillary. The difference is Hillary will break your kneecap to get to the White House; the others will not.
Thank-you and have a great day!

Robert Morrow Clinton expert Austin, TX 512-306-1510

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Paul, Rochester NY — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:59:06 GMT

You folks who love to call anyone who opposes Gay marriage and abortion a "hate monger" or "homophobe" just don't get it. Some people actually BELIEVE in something. Trying to claim that Hillary will win unless we vote for someone whose values are possibly more liberal than hers is a pretty lame scare tactic. Wake up Juan. You can't just call someone names because they tell you they think your lifestyle is immoral. Sorry that you feel judged. But there really is right and wrong in the world despite what the you would like us to believe.

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Scott, Logan UT — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:07:19 GMT

We have got to get the remaining fence sitting conservative power brokers to endorse Romney. The time is now!

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Mike W — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:08:06 GMT

My father was a high-level NYPD detective and was involved in cases brought by Giuliani in the NY Southern District. Most cops did not like him. They thought he was an arrogant pr**k that loved the attention the media gave to him. he also seemed to think he was the law according to some of them.

***remember...he is a "loi-ya"***

If Giuliani is the nominee a lot of people on both sides will be holding their noses. But interestingly, I have some very liberal, Jewish friends who will vote for him, or any republican, over Hillary Clinton. They want to raise all sorts of taxes and I'd call them socialists at heart. But they say we did Clinton for 8 years and they think she is pure evil. No argument here!

MW

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Dan, Michigan — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:11:04 GMT

You people underestimate voters driven by principle - 4 yrs of Hillary is more desirable than the Republican party thinking it can nominate a social liberal like Guiliani.

If he is the nominee, I vote 3rd party.

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rgfrano, Jersey City, NJ, USA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:11:07 GMT

Rudy Guiliani wanted Mr. Kerik to be his 'homeland security' secretary. That, along with hiding tax -
payer funds concerning his, (then), 'slut-girlfriend' (Ms. Nathan), dooms his supposed 'presidential' ambitions. He is, in reality, about as 'pro-choice' (on abortion), as cardinal Ratzinger, (yet another catholic big shot who cannot bring himseelf to excomunicate child molesters or 'pro-lifers' who also operate nuclear weapons systems! As a 'secondary
_survivor' of the Sept. 11Th. Atrocity, (I was
'downsized' 6 weeks before my 83RD. floor office was obliterated by 'religous' folk & watched my 'tower-1' office reduced to a smoldering ruin in 'real time' while sending resumes, {which I'm still sending!!; Thanks, Dubya!!}), I want to vomit every time I hear Guilian called 'America's Mayor'... As a retired NY City E.M.S. Paramedic Preceptor, I'm astounded & nauseated when Rudy claims he was at/on 'The Pile', (a 'Sacred Place'!!), as much as the N.Y.F.D.!

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Greg Thompson, Chicago, Illinois — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:12:03 GMT

Why dont they take a look at Ron Paul, he seems to be the talk of the Chicago-land area. I wonder if his popularity will spread to Iowa as soon as people relize that Rudy and Romney are still both very much alike.

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Mike Walsh, NYC, NY — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:16:32 GMT

Ross wrote: "What this country needs is a change...where everyone is important, not just right or left."

That's not happening and Adolph Hitler was "change".

Ross again": Jesus said to love our neighbors as we love him. Forget illegal immigration, gay marriage, "don't ask, don't tell"...these issues are insignificant to re-uniting this country."

Are you srerious? Those are the issues that are keeping us from being united. It's OUR country, we have laws, and men don't mary men in an society that ever survived throughout antiquity.

Ross again: "My vote is for Huckabee or Obama. I would be happy with either."

The GOP will nominate Giuliani or Romney. As to Obama, he isn't in the ball park of being qualified to be president. Have you listened to him and then disected what he says? He makes no sense...A LOT. Bush barely was qualified and he ran a state. That's why I think only Kennedy ran as a Senator and was elected.

yes, we need to change. The Constitution needs to be followed and liberals need to get the help they need. I can see wanting to vote for Obama. I can't see where anyone on the planet doesn;t see the threat that this Stalinist named Hillary poses to our future. She has never done anything, he record is void of accomplishments and replete with deceit and corruption. You want that to dictate your kid's future? You elect her or Obama and "24" will become a reality show.

MW

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PK, Iowa City, Ia — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:18:01 GMT

Luckily there are only .01% of these type of nuts in our state. Their votes wont make a difference.

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Scott Riley, Bourbonnais, IL — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:22:32 GMT

The GOP will finally settle on a nomineee. The hyperbole is unfortunate, both in this forum and in the news story and in the closing weeks in Iowa. But that's politics. Might as well complain about the weather. Anyway, Hillary will have a hard time getting to 270 electoral votes, which is the only thing that matters. The key for Republicans to stop her is to recognize she, not a GOP candidate, is the principal threat to the Republic. I believe this realization will take hold by March, and I believe the GOP will methodically deconstruct Hillary down to about 42 percent on election day. I don't much care for Guiliani. He's a liberal on certain issues, but he will defend the country and he can defeat Hillary. And whatever liberalism Guiliani may bring into the Oval Office, a Hillary presidency would multiply it by ten. Plus, she's a shrill, political hack who has only a distant and indifferent relationship to the truth. She has never run anything at all Her resume is remarkably thin. Even she knows that, which is why she says her "35 years of citizen activism" qualifies her for leadership of the Free World. Get real. The real disturbing question is what has happened to the Democratic Party that it has, for several election cycles in a row, turned itself over to such lightweight dingbats?

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Pastor Nathan Bickel — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:23:56 GMT

Yes....it would be totally devestating for the conservative base of the G0P party to have Rudy be a "weak sister" liberal candidate. His nomination would certainly spell a huge absence at the polls!

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Pastor Nathan Bickel — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:24:39 GMT

Yes....it would be totally devestating for the conservative base of the G0P party to have Rudy be a "weak sister" liberal candidate. His nomination would certainly spell a huge absence at the polls!

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Ross — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:26:29 GMT

I am from Britain and I SUPPORT RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT.
www.ronpaul2008.com.

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Willi Brix, Germany — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:26:35 GMT

I don`t get the idea here. These clowns dislike Rudy, so they will boycott him... and thus help HILLARY?
That prefer that??? What bizarre way of thinking.

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Andrew, Eugene OR — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:27:44 GMT

Christians for Cross dressers?
I don't think so.

Ron Paul 2008 Nuff Said.

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Vic Lundquist, Orange County, CA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:37:31 GMT

The Iowan voters are just now being exposed to MH's weak position on immigration, his liberal tax record (he raised more taxes in a shorter period than Clinton did in that state), and the incredible increase in overall budget spending in Arkansas.

Romney is by far the strongest conservative and when President will govern as a strong conservative. Remember, above all, Romney's reputation in business is that he always executes to the strategic plan he creates and in government service, he always delivered against his promises (about 100). So, if you like what Gov. Romney is saying and promising, you can bank on it happening. He will not promise anything he cannot deliver.

On the other hand, that is not true of MH. He is basically giving us excuses for his record on illegal immigration, numerous tax increases, and huge spending increases and telling us now that he will be a conservative as President. I don't buy it and let's hope Iowans are smart enough to see right through MH's rhetoric and soft spoken platitudes.

We need incredible executive leadership in this nation, not a light-weight, lifelong, sanctimonious, politician.

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San — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:38:51 GMT

Abortion? Please, there are far greater issues facing this nation.

The Christian movement needs to be put in its place - At the bottom of the barrel.

Defense, Taxes, Health Care are the most important issues of our day.

Not whether some elitist teenager from a red state gets an abortion for fear up setting her father precious image.

Rudy will win.

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San — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:39:46 GMT

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Debrar — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:51:19 GMT

Who is Mike Huckabee?
Another Man From Hope
Who is Mike Huckabee?

Look at the record. He's not a conservative. He's almost not even a republican . . .
http://opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110010782

See more proof.
http://www.arkansasleader.com/2007/11/editorialswhos-bigges t-tax-raiser.html

As time goes on, I'm sure his dirt will be exposed.

That he wants to help the children of illegal aliens alone IS OUTRAGEOUS!

AMERICA HAS SAID, AGAIN AND AGAIN, "NO!" TO ILLEGAL ALIENS.

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Vic Lundquist, Orange County, CA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:52:28 GMT

This breaking story was just released and says it all as to why a vote for Huckabee is not only a vote for Giuliani, Giuliani is rooting for MH to win Iowa. It is odd tho that MH would want an alliance with a pro-choice, pro-gay, anti-gun guy like Giuliani:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/02/wuselec102.xml

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Brad Zasio — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 09:04:31 GMT

You only get one vote. Rudy or bust.

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Tom, Bedford, VA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 09:08:01 GMT

Christians should be behind Ron Paul! Paul is the only true conservative running. His voting record is consistent across the board! He is for a strict constitutional approach to all matters. He is anti-abortion, anti-big government, will abolish the IRS, and the income tax. Wishes to put constitutional money back into circulation (cf. Article 1, Section 10 US Constitution). The list could go on. True, thinking Christian conservatives have only one realy choice: Vote Ron Paul!

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juandos, overland, Mo — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 09:15:27 GMT

Well Rudi isn't the greatest choice the Republicans could make but Huckabee, a tax loving, nanny state socialist would be almost as bad as choosing either Ron Paul or voting for the Clinton

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John Wayne, the Alamo — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 09:20:27 GMT

I think everyone is double dosing their stupid pills! rudy, billary, w's buddy mit, they're all the same! America is done! It's been sold to the peaceful, life respecting rag heads! We're going to be a great big Israel.

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Paul, Fort Wayne, Indiana — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 09:42:36 GMT

Let's talk about Ron Paul. All of the other candidates are political hacks compared to Paul. He has credibility from a career as an OB doctor to support his views on abortion. He is the ultimate fiscal conservative. And, yes, he is socially liberal, which in my opinion, should characterize a Christian's belief system.

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Brad Sanford, SF, CA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 09:51:59 GMT

Go with Ron Paul

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Fly on the wall — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 10:13:22 GMT

LOL...the GOP MoneyGuys HATE the wingnuts and the wingnuts Despise the MoneyGuys. Finally, it's coming to a head. There should be two separate parties; One for Bibles and the other for Piles of money....both too small for either to win any elections. Good riddance to strange bedfellows!

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LoneWolf 007 — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 10:32:57 GMT

I have voted both Republican and Democratic in the past 25 years. After eight years of Bush, America is ready for a change. But how much of a change? Giuliani could win the same way that Schwarzenegger won in California, by pulling from both parties.
However, Giuliani has one major dilemma that Schwarzenegger did not. The Vice-President.
Cheney changed everything. The Vice-President matters more than ever before and will make a huge difference in 2008. If Giuliani teams with someone too Far-Right, it will lose him the swing voters he desperately needs to beat Hillary.
Prediction: Giuliani-McCain will win (many Democratic swing voters respect McCain). If Giuliani chooses anyone else (Romney, Huckabee, etc), Hilary wins.

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Mike, Whitefish Bay, WI — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 10:43:50 GMT

As a Reagan Republican I say it's time we shed the burden of the Religious Right in our party. I support Rudy! The future of the Republican Party.

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John, Lorain, Ohio — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 10:55:01 GMT

Steve in Seattle, your ignorance (or deception) is amazing. A president has TONS to do with abortion, etc. -- through the people he nominates as judges and justices. Rudy cannot be trusted. America needs protection of the innocent, defenseless unborn babies -- and their mothers need to be protected from their parents and the babies' fathers, who very often pressure the mothers (against their will) to have their babies murdered by medical hit-men.

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Private Beach, Hong Kong — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 11:28:41 GMT

"I would vote for the devil before I would ever vote for Hilary."

Looking at all the demonic actions emanating from the White House - lies, war crimes, torture, kidnapping - I think Republicans already did. Do they really think Jesus is on their side?

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Pamela — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 11:56:16 GMT

Rudy (the bald CHillary), Hucksterbee ("scamnesty" supporter), McShame (on AZ for keeping him in office) - all guaranteed to keep conservatives at home next November. If we can't have Hunter or Tancredo, we can support Romney and keep our fingers crossed.

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B. L. Zibbub — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:10:52 GMT

Is the devil a man of faith for John Day sr. Garden Grove, Mexifornia?

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Dan — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:13:54 GMT

I'm a Christian for Rudy!

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Bear, Durham, NC — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:16:02 GMT

"Scheffler went on to slam Giuliani's position on same-sex marriage, life issues"
Yes these are the issues we should all want the government to be concerned with. Scary, not having this guy as a polical ally seems like a plus for Giuliani's chance to me.

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Bill Conrad — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:19:57 GMT

"Blood bath"? We're beginning to sound like Muslim fundamentalists and religious radicals, but then I guess that's what we are.

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Donald , Abilene,TX — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:22:13 GMT

This abortion issue really boils down to weather a person approves of couples that are too lazy and self centered to stop foreplay for a few seconds and use birth control or not. That's the real issue. And it is being used to divide the country just like the race issues. A country divided cannot stand and will become another monarchy under rule of the greedy and cruel. Vote them ALL out this time...

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jay bo — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:22:39 GMT

no worries my fellow republicans. Dems will continue to self destruct, Rudy or Mr. TBA Republican will win!

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Peter, inglis,Florida — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:23:32 GMT

These are NOT central issues to the decision. Philosophically you can choose ANY Democrat for income redistribution and less individual rights for all of us or try for a vote against that. But none of the leading Republicans are saying anything different either. The system is broken! We don't need more political games, more pork more corrupt lobbyists or more spending on broken programs and broken promises. Why is congressional approval even half that of JWB? We don't trust the system or the candidates and we shouldn't.
There are NO candidates that talk straight about the problems that we all know, feel each day and affect our lives or the lives of our kids except Ron Paul. Get the Federal Government out of our lives! Unfortunately he is probably too honest to ever get elected. Our government is completely out of touch with what we all want and think and it has nothing to do with side issues from the Right or the Left it has everything to do with saving the America we love as these fools play games in Washington and usurp more and more power to tell us how to live.
We the People should vote for a real change even if it means having to learn for four years how bad Hillary can be. Look what we got last year in Congress? To vote for the leading Republicans will not teach them to get real about the issues and is a vote for continuation of more of the same.
Vote for change, big change, before it is too late.

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Ricardo Maxwell, Florida — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:24:43 GMT

Stev Scheffler is as out of touch with the Republican base as moveon.org and codepink are out of touch with most mainstream Democrats. Although we are very conservative fiscally, believe in God and the American way, and cringe every time another illegal alien gets one penny of our hard earned tax money, we really don't think that religious issues are the most important when it comes to the future survival of America.

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Ricardo Maxwell, Florida — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:28:19 GMT

Where are all these ron paul weirdos coming from? Did hundreds of trailer parks all of sudden get internet access?

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Bruce Wilburforce — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:32:05 GMT

"Blood bath"..."Conservatives"..."Christians"...
Are "Conservatives" just Republican "Christians"" who go to church? Are you looking for a President or a Messiah?
I want a President who will uphold and defend the Constitution. Period. Isn't that whay Republicans stand for? (Or used to?)
There's only one candidate in the running who has a PERFECT record of doing just that, along with the experience of years in Congress.

Unlike his rivals, he is unequivical on the 2nd Amdendment. Hell, he's unequivicalon ALL the Amendments! He wants to eliminate the immoral and unconstitutional IRS. He is foursquare against "Big Government" and growing still more "entitlement" programs. As a physician, he believes in the sanctity of life, understands the imited power of the President and how important the Constitution is in matters such as Roe/Wade. Unlike many posting here, he understands how little a President can effect its change and that it is correctly a matter for the States.
It's pretty simple: Either you believe in the Rule of Law, our Constitution, or you believe in and support the use of government force to advance the largely unconstitutional agendas of the candidates of either party.
Is Force OK with you? Does Force describe a free society? Do you endorse the use of government force to stop your freedom to choose to exercise your unalienable rights?
It's a tragedy so much time and space has been squandered arguing matters already answered by adherence the Constitution.
It is also a tragedy that Ron Paul's simple message of Freedom has been marginalized by ignorance and prejudice, from both the "mainstream media" and an aggressively ignorant public.
From what I read here, many of you would have told Paul Revere to shut up.

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Ricardo Maxwell, Florida — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:34:48 GMT

Charles Houston of Texas said it best here. The compassionate conservatives may be social conservatives but are fiscally irresponsible!
As for AG from NY, WE NEED A STRONG PRESIDENT like Rudy. Tyrant? You must be one of the scum in NYC that he cleaned up!

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Hedley Lamar — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:39:32 GMT

It comes down to a single issue for me - whether or not Rudy would sign a bill giving illegals a path to citizenship. As far as I can tell, he would, so I can't vote for him. So if if Rudy's the Republican candidate, I won't be voting in 2008.

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Marie/Toledo, OH — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:39:58 GMT

If it's between Rudy or Hillary. I'll take Rudy. I don't want another president like Bill Clinton who stunk up the Rose Garden with his favorite terrorists.

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Ky Rux Dallas, TX — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:42:42 GMT

Let's quit using the language of Armaggeddon please! I am a conservative Christian minister and if Rudy is nominated I will vote Rudy. Personally I'd prefer a libertarian candidate who could actually win. But we don't always get our druthers.

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Paul, Loganville,GA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:43:20 GMT

Rudy is better than Hillary Clinton or Barrak Hussein Obama any day!

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Ky Rux — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:49:52 GMT

"DrudeReport alert!
Any comment linked orm Drudge gets 90% responses from paid political operatives. Please ignore them all."
-Ahem- I resent that. I'm a drudge reader and I'm not a paid political operative. Where do you get your information? and btw, it is spelled d-r-u-d-G-e

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Whilom Smykket — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:50:20 GMT

Republicans have always had a special affinity for Greek tragedy and self-destruction. This thread of comments shows that knack is still alive and well.

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Hope, Enfield, CT — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:53:31 GMT

How can a true Christian even have a thought like "blood bath" cross his mind? Seems like a conflict of terms, to me. Down-right scary!

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Luthien Ivey — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:55:01 GMT

As a conservative Independent, I think the GOP needs to wake up and smell the coffee. Less than 40% of the electorate is now registered as "GOP; without the votes of people like me, it's toast in 2008. So far, so bad.

You are offering us Rudy, America's sanctuary city mayor who has more baggage than Santa Clause; Huckabee who believes it's "God's will" that we grant amnesty to 12-20 million illegal aliens; and Romney, who is slicker than Clinton. I simply cannot, in good conscience, vote for any of them, and I won't. Because my home state has a closed primary, I'm already looking at third party candidates because neither the front-runners of the Republicans or Democrats are offering anyone I can support.

So, you all keep up the in-party fighting, demanding that everybody line up to "win one for the Gipper," and we'll see how well that works out on election day.

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Brian, Orlando Florida — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:59:46 GMT

Romney = flip flopper; Rudy = pig, three time wife swapper with ZERO family values. Can't believe Rudy gets support from alleged Christian fanbases. Unbelievable, really. How about Rudy's secret billing of taxpayers for the little trists with his paramour and then lying about it? My goodness, Rudy said, "It was all appropriate, honest, and above board." Bet his wife thought so too! C'mon folks, wake up!! Rudy is a pig and marginalizes American voter intelligence by boldly and arrogantly stating his affairs and taxpayer funding of same will have no impact on the election.

Dr. Ron Paul is the answer, folks. Plain and simple. Uncommonly consistent, honest, compassionate, forthright, Constitutionalist, non-interventionalist, and extremely intelligent. He's the only one that can get my vote with a clear conscience.

RonPaul2008.com

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brett55 — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:03:19 GMT

Rudy's kids don't even support his run. That, to me, is a very bad sign. His own kids know him better than anyone. He grew up in a thuggish family with a dad of quetionable character. You don't think your upbringing has some bearing on your own character or lack thereof? He's profited from the 9/11 tragedy and is really a democrat in disguise. Nothing wrong with that per se, but he's masquerading as some sort of hero Republican endlessly milking the 9/11 connection. Hey, he was there, he was the mayor, what else would anyone have done in that position? Rudy's just a New York thug running for his next "JOB".

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Butch, Bellmore, NY — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:05:54 GMT

To Steve Scheffler,
Nice going, Einstein!
Politics is about electability and the lesser of 2 or more evils. Your viewpoint will be instrumental in giving the Clinton's (that's right, both of them)a ticket back to the White House. Then let's hear you whine about them.

You have to learn how to play with others.

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Dave, Lake Mary, FL — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:07:48 GMT

"When will these boneheads learn -- THE PRESIDENT HAS VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH ABORTION AND MARRIAGE ISSUES."

Uh, doesn't the President nominate the Supreme Court justices who always end up voting on these issues for years to come?

A vote for a right wing Christian is a vote against freedom.

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S M ROBINSON — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:12:34 GMT

Ron Paul is a Libertarian and a whimp on foreign policy. Mike Huckabee is a snake oil salesman all dressed up as a conservative. John McCain is an arrogant loose cannon. Outside of these 3 primary candidates, the rest of the Republicans running would suit this Christian voter just fine against any Democrat out there. The Democratic Party is now socialist and I'd rather die than vote for socialism.

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Pastor S — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:16:48 GMT

I would rather vote for Hillary than than have a pro abortion republican as president. Then we will rally against her and regain the house and senate and the whitehouse in four years.

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Jill, Palm City, Florida — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:18:23 GMT

A vote for Huckabee is a vote for Bush!

I'm sick of "compassionate conservative" candidates who tow the liberal line once elected. I suspect Mike would do that - talk a good Jesus game but once elected vote for every stupid lib social program the libs want to push. What we need is a REAL social conservative, someone who isn't ashamed to say and mean it that unborn babies have a right to life as under the constitution and that it is inhumane to let a cheating husband execute his wife by starvation/dehydration. If you vote for someone who doesn't honor life for the most vulnerable in society then you are voting for an Adolph Hitler, Republican or Democrat.

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Doug, Malone, FL — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:18:42 GMT

Winning Republican Ticket: Romney for President; Huckabee for Vice President.

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Mason Black — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:19:59 GMT

We Conservatives have no voice. Bloodbath is right. Those of us that believe immigration laws should be enforced, taxes should be fair, a person should be self-reliant and self-sufficient and not waiting for the collective to take care of them, tired of being maligned because of our Christian faith based on the ignorant comments of a few idiots with tv stations, are millions strong, but have no true voice. Bush screwed ALL of us, especially conservatives. His neo-con SecDef, ruined foreign policy for decades. And when the generals said we needed 700K soldiers, why the Hell didn't you give it to us in the first place to fight this war against someone that posed no threat to America anyway? While I believe abortion is wrong personally, it is stupid to make it the main focus of the Republican party. It is the law, get over it. Move on, and do good things where you can, like responsible spending, fair taxation(if you live here, you have to pay your fair share), and stopping the insidious socialism the democrats push. The idea of America is as relevant today as it was 100 years ago. Self-reliance(work hard and quit whining), fairness(I am a businessman, I hire workers because they can help me be profitable, not because of their skin color), and quit putting every other faith in the world above Christianity...we were founded on Christian priniciples, and at the very least deserve as much respect and fair treatment as every other religion. "Got a flash for you, Rosie, Muslims were beheading infidels in southeast asia when I was a soldier there in the 70s, we Christians don't do that, period" Does Rudy represent real conservatives like me? I'm not sure he does, but I'm still listening. Also, patriot act is unconstitutional, and this is from a conservative viewpoint. It is the second biggest threat to our freedom behind the socialism liberals put forward.

Rudy, Iowa Christians, a tough sell

EdwardATeller, Eastern, PA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:27:29 GMT

These religious nuts are like a lead weight around our necks. For every vote we lose from the nutty Christians, we will pick up a vote and half from middle of the road voters in the general election. I am sick and tired of these nuts calling the shots. It is about time the Republican Party nominates an economic conservative and socially moderate candidate. The Dems are terrified of Rudy because they know he is the ONLY Republican that has a chance of beating Hillary.

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Orange Park, FL — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:28:03 GMT

Let's see if we can get this straight:

(Scenario 1)

1. Do NOT vote for Rudy, Mike, Mitt, or Fred.

2. Do back Ron to the exclusion of all others.

3 Ron forms third party and runs independent.

4. "Fellow Americans, the President of the United States of America, Madam Hillary Rodham Clinton!"
(Or whomever the Democrats finally choose)

(Scenario 2)

1. Do NOT vote for Rudy, Mitt, Fred or Ron.

2. Stay home on election day ('I'll show them!')

Thereby

3. Casting your 1/2 vote for Hillary, Hussein or John.

4. Wednesday's Headline - "Democrats sweep into Whitehouse"

Only caveat - Hillary is very probably not going to be nominated, much to our disappointment. (We can only hope! If you have cross voting in your area VOTE FOR HILLARY!!)

Mel, Orange Park, FL

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Robert Dalziel, Manchester, New Hampshire — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:29:00 GMT

What tickles me is that Scheffler scores Rudy for not being pro-gun rights. I didn't know that keeping and bearing firearms was central to one's Christian identity. This man and his ilk are just hooligans. They think, like their precursors in Weimar Germany, that they have found their man, their Hitler, in Mitt Romney, but Romney is too weak to be a Mussolini let alone a Fuhrer. Anti-Christ is more like it, which is the real god these people serve.

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clint, iron mountain, MI — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:33:51 GMT

People like him make republicans look like quacks. What we need is to get back to the basics. Social conservatives need to stop worrying about what others are doing ie (gays, abortionists), and start looking at themselves and what they are doing. If they will be a light unto the world they would be far more effective.

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Macho Melvin — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:35:26 GMT

America will not elect Hillary or Obama. Our country is not ready for either of them. The fact is the Republicans can't elect anybody without the Christian base support.The majority of America is not Gay, doesn't support Abortion or Illegal Immigration. The majority of voting Americans support all 3. If Conservative Christians don't get the candidate they want, they will stay at home on election day. The Lord will be coming soon anyway!

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Jill, Palm City, Florida — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:36:29 GMT

On issues alone I am paired with Tancredo and Hunter. I think these are fine candidates who do not deserve to be ignored. But obviously most people continue to vote on image alone. I think what most Ron Paul people fail to understand is that the Iraq war is no longer a potent issue with most voters, since the surge has been so successful and deaths are dramatically down. So when Ron Paul uses the same lines he always does about the war, to try and stir up his base to send him more money, it's falling flat now. I agree with the poster who says border issues and illegal immigration are the issues of our times and need to be dealt with by a Tancredo or Hunter.

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John Franchi — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:36:42 GMT

I'm a Republican who's tired of the "base."

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Greg Sanders, Saint Louis, MO — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:36:56 GMT

The truth hurts; Scheffler is right. Don’t hate the man because he is tell you the truth. I am a Black Christian Conservative. For twelve year I had to defend my position for voting for the Republican Party. I turned my back on the Dem because they were the party of abortion, homosexuals, atheist, high taxes, anti-school choice, and anti-family. You can call me a hate monger, racist, or homophobe. Nominate Giuliani as the Republican candidate; you will give every Black Christian Conservative like me a legitimate reason not to vote for a party most of our fiends and family are against. Choose Giuliani Black Conservative will drop the Republican Party like a bad habit. All Scheffler is stating, the Emperor is not wearing cloths.

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Don Mathis, Macomb, Illinois — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:40:34 GMT

It's a mistake to present Christianity as a political party - the same mistake that Israel made expecting a political Messiah.

It would be a lot better if Christians would quit trying to moralize the world with politics and instead present Jesus as the Savior He is - in the world but not of it.

You put a political stumbling block between people and Jesus when you come out as if you speak for Christ politically. You don't, because even He didn't speak for or against the political candidates of His day and neither did the New Testament writers. It's fine to have your view, but don't try to tell me what political candidate Jesus is supporting. You don't know.

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Don Mathis, Macomb, Illinois — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:43:33 GMT

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Michael, Charlottesville, VA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:48:09 GMT

Ron Paul 2008. He is the only viable option. Amerika is fascist toast if anyone else gets elected.

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Retired Guy — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:50:04 GMT

The Clintons back in the White House? I see it happening all over again - thanks to the Republicans. Bubba got in the first time only because of Ross Perot. Then, the Republicans messed up big time and nominated Bob Dole (who NOBODY wanted as president). Now, if Guilani gets nominated - Hillary wins. Dems will TRASH him in general election. He is too dirty - too much baggage. I think Romney or McCain could win. The important thing? Hillary loses.

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David, Nashville, TN — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:52:25 GMT

"Ladies and Gentlemen, thank you for attending. I as a Republican candidate know our nation faces many problems. We must regain our sovereignty. Spending is out of control. Tort reform is being called for, and we must find and remove the REAL terrorism threat our nation faces. So, for this reason, I am here to talk with you about the gay agenda..."

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joe gores, bernardsville, NJ — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:55:29 GMT

I guess that the wacky religious righ of the GOP will be glad when Madam Clinton is President. While Rudy's no Saint, he's sure better then Madame Hillary. So come November 2008 get off your holy rearends and support the GOP nominee---which will probably be RUDY!!!!

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Retired Guy — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:56:03 GMT

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Retired Guy — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:56:52 GMT

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DenJ Brown — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:05:10 GMT

Huckabee and McCain is the only hope of Republicans. Huckabee is the only true conservative in the bunch. Do the candidates realize how many true conservatives there really are in the US. Nominate Rudy and you'll find out how many WON'T VOTE. I would not vote for Rudy even if it's against Bill's wife or Oprama. Rudy is nothing but a NY City Right Wing Dem. Rudy is scary.

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Trish — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:05:36 GMT

Why continue to walk down the same street only to fall in the same hole every time? Why not something ‘new’ such as returning to a Federation of States supported by the Constitution and the Rule of Law. Why reinvent the wheel of government when we already have the best example there is? Strikes me that the Founding Fathers did a excellent job.

Vote Ron Paul and put the power back where it belongs, with ‘We The People’.

Rudy, Iowa Christians, a tough sell

James Bailey, Ridgecrest, CA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:06:58 GMT

The one issue that keeps me awake up at nights (and it's 6:00 AM here in Ridgecrest, CA) is that one of these clowns running for President will BE President. I refuse to support one of them. This is why l'm writting in Newt Gingrich on my absentee ballot. Not one of the candidates have a vision of what they will do as President. They all have bags of ambition, but it shouldn't be confused with a vision.

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Coral Cay — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:11:32 GMT

Rudy is every good Democrat's poster child. He's got more in his closet than gay roommates, illegal immigrants, drug dealers, homosexual appointees & New York street whores. Need I say more?

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Julie Anne, Naperville, IL — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:12:47 GMT

Everyone has an opinion for the rest of us voters, it seems. All these rash statements. I'm a very conservative Evangelical and don't agree with much of the prior statements ~ except for the ones who see a bigger picture of trying to keep the Republican party in the White House. I am much more attuned to the platform of this party than the Dems. I don't like having to vote for a moderate like Rudy. But if he is the nominee, I'd rather have him than Hillary or Obama. Both of them scare me for reasons it seems most of the prior posters don't comprehend. But if you want a socialist republic, then vote single issues. You'll get your socialist republic. We'll all be forced to suffer together ~ just as we are with the present Democrat Congress.

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Kim, Katy, Texas — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:17:51 GMT

As a Conservative with a conscience, I would not vote for Rudy. I will be one those many millions who will be at home watching television, knowing that my next President will be Hillary Clinton. What is the difference between her and Rudy? At least I know I did not sell my soul out just to get a Republican in the White House. I wouldn’t vote for Huckabee either just because he calls himself the “Christian Leader”. His values are in step with mine, but I don’t think we can afford another so called, “Compassionate Conservative” in the White House. He treats illegal aliens better than his own citizens, by taking their hard earned tax money to give tuition breaks to children of illegals. I’m sorry if I don’t drink the same “Jesus Juice” as Huckabee does.
I enthusiastically voted for Bush twice, and he has disappointed me these last 2 years.
I am strongly leaning towards Romney who shares my values and seems to be an outstanding leader in everything that he does. I’m glad he has admitted to be wrong on abortion in the past, because so have I. Fred is also acceptable, though I don’t think he
has the energy to do it. McCain is a big MAYBE, because he has been on the wrong side of illegal immigration as well. It’s too bad if Iowan Republicans put Hillary in the White House by voting for Huckabee, because a vote for him would be a vote for Rudy.

Rudy, Iowa Christians, a tough sell

John Smith, Kingsport, TN — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:21:07 GMT

Thompson is the only conservative in the race.

Fred Thompson in '08!

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MICK — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:21:26 GMT

John Smith, Valencia CA
Romney has morals?
like:
his office funded Gay/Lesbian SexEd for gradeschool children as young as KINDERGARTEN, Without Parental notification or consent?!!

like:
he makes millions while he puts Thousands of Americans out of jobs through his ForcedBuyOuts/then ask them for their votes?

goto http://www.massresistance.org
(this is a Conservative group in MA)

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e anderson, Des Moines, Iowa — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:23:26 GMT

Rudy was definitely uncomfortable in the CNN debate defending his NYC record on illegal immigration. To a degree, both Romney and Huckabee are also trying to run FROM their records rather than running ON their records. Each of these candidates had obvious strengths on display in that debate. None of them are solid conservatives in every point, judging by their past. As to their current promises, can we believe them? I can't pretend to know, but any of them is more suited to the office of president than Hillary. No doubt I will once again reluctantly vote for the lesser of the two evils. In the caucus I'd go Ron Paul on the first vote. Who knows, maybe Paul can come in third and put the fear of God into all of them?

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BobofNewtn — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:24:06 GMT

I am a Republican from Newton, Massachusetts and I support Rudy because he is the only Republican who can beat the nominee of the Democrat Party. If voters feel they can believe what Mitt Romney says, think again - he fooled us in Massachusetts by pretending to be a liberal who supports gays and abortion; now he has changed his tune. If he is nominated on the Republican side, he will "evolve" again to attract more mainstream voters. People in Iowa, please listen - we are nominating a Republican to be President of the entire United States - not someone who is regarded as a darling in Iowa!

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Dennis, Edina, MN — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:25:56 GMT

Rudy is not as bad as his detractors say, nor as good as his supporters believe. He's tough-minded, smart, a patriot, ruthless, but as his biography informs us, he's a man without a moral compass in his personal life. You don't have to be an evangelical Christian to be very concerned about the moral descent of America. Rudy is wrong for us. We need someone who is tough-minded, smart, a patriot, ruthless and HAS a moral compass in his personal life. Huck or Obama: the only sensible call.

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beverins, ny — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:31:32 GMT

The problem with voting for Rudy is that he is clinically insane. Why would you want to vote a true, clinically insane man to the White House? He started out great, but he has slowly degenerated and is now not sane to run for office.

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Gabrielle .... Allentown PA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:32:32 GMT

Oboma would be a disaster for this country - he is just a young punk with nothing between his ears - and I have heard he was raised as a MUSLIM! (Once a Muslim always a Muslim!) Hillary is even worse ... speaking as an "older" woman I would NEVER vote for her - she is a Communist! Who does that leave? ANYONE ELSE would be a BETTER choice!!!!!! Ron Paul looks better every day!!!!!!!!

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George Keselman — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:33:53 GMT

If you really want a socialist to be the next US president vote for Huckabee or Hillary or Obama or McCain or Ron-Paul. That party, Democrats are shy to name themselves properly, e. g. Social Democratic party of US, next lighter shade as commie's red. Some of them misplaced '(R)' after their names.

Ronald Reagan was not an icon but he had dignity.

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Jim Verner — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:34:09 GMT

It appears we have a Christian Taliban that will cut off its nose to spite its face. Rudy's goal of reducing abortions is far better than a law that would only encourage illegal abortation. Did they learn nothing from the attemps at prohibition?

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Emory L. Manley — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:36:22 GMT

If Mike Huckabee is the answer it must be a damn strange question. RUDEEE! RUDEE! RUDEE!

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Billy bob — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:36:31 GMT

Scheffler is bought and paid for and has no credibility if he is holding out Romney as the tonic to Rudy. Gun control? Romney has been every bit as bad as Rudy and was caught as a LIAR when he said he was a lifelong hunter. Huck is a real Socon but not a fiscal conservative. Romney is neither a true fiscal conservative (expanding government in Mass) or a socon (he still supports gays in the military etc.)

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bill rone,hickory,nc — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:42:54 GMT

RON PAUL is the answer to this mess....look at his voting track record.... he is walking toward Washington with the constitution in his hand and the status quo can't stand it. 4 plus million was raised in 1 day which beats all records. go git'em,Ron.

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Carmelo Gamiddo, Islip NY — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:43:11 GMT

I will only say that as a christian who's in touch with God in heaven and the world I have my feet upon, that I leave Guliani's spiritual views in the hands of God, I will not pass judgement on him. Mr. Scheffler ought to know better than to criticize. If we start to decide our affairs solely based on church issues, you need to look no further than what is going on in muslim countries. Is that what we want?

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Rich F, West Palm, Florida — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:10:55 GMT

This shows how clearly scared and weak Romney and his clones are. They smear Huckabee to make people want to support Romney because he can't buy their votes himself. Scared Romney & evangelicals have started down that low plastic road. They even stoll the Family Research Council conference from Huckabee. Among the 952 people who attended the event at the Washington Hilton, Huckabee won in a landslide with 51 percent against Romney’s anemic 10 percent. These holier than thou plastic people even attack Pat Robertson since he took a real hard look at what is best for the people of America and HIS positions. The problem is Pat Robertson is not an out of control WACKO like those degrading him. How GOD like of them...

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cb — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:17:06 GMT

Whichever party becomes dominant in Washington will attract unprincipled politicians. The reason is simple: if you have no strong beliefs other than your own election, you don't really care which party you affiliate with; you only care which one is running things at the moment. If the Democrats control Washington, it won't be long before opportunists come in and corrupt their party just as they have the Republicans. Rudy is such a person, but he came in as a Republican while they were on the rise. If Hillary is cold and calculating, he is cruel and self-centered. Could you do to other people what he has done to them?

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Kevin — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:19:42 GMT

Liberals have not budged an inch on Roe v. Wade despite losing control of all three branches of government at one stage or another in the past 30 years. Christian voters will do what is right. Everyone else can compromise.

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Pat, Winston Salem, NC — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:24:03 GMT

This election, like all national elections, is about national security, taxes and the national economy. The President is Chief Executive of the Executive Branch and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. The President can request legislation, even sponsor legislation through surrogates, and veto legislation that has to do with the budget and taxation. The President nominates judges. But this election is not really about social issues, regardless of how strongly you might feel about them. The BIG KAHUNA issue is national security, as our nation is at war with Jihadists or Islamic Fascists or whatever label you want to call them. We need someone who is strong, has a backbone, a stomach of steel, and steely resolve, yet is able to compromise and negotiate without giving up the farm or selling out our precious liberties to enemies. People joke about the World War I song, "Over there!" as if the problems we face are "over there, and out of sight." Wrong! We are fighting "over there because the problems are in our face." There is one candidate who stands above all the rest on this subject matter and that candidate is Senator John S. McCain of Arizona.

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Bill, Iowa — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:26:33 GMT

The true difference between Republicans and Democrats is, Democrats will blindly follow and vote for whomever the Dem canidate is. True Republicans tend to be more informed and issue oriented, single issue Christian voters will be our downfall. I could careless about abortion, the doctor and his patient have to make that choice. Gay rights why give them a voice, let them have their weddings if God doesn't like it He will deal with it when the time comes. Lets be honest here, Christianity has no moral high ground here, millions have been murdered in the name of Christianity.

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R New York — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:27:03 GMT

Why is it that knows one remembers the separation of church from state? Maybe if the religious right took care of their own house then maybe government can get on with the business of governing.

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R New York — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:27:39 GMT

Why is it that knows one remembers the separation of church from state? Maybe if the religious right took care of their own house then maybe government can get on with the business of governing.

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wil moon g'ville,fl — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:34:31 GMT

AG in NY is right, Rudy is a tyrant, period
Mr. Huckabee can, and will go all the way. Support through support? Dont be fooled by nay sayers Christians, you vote according to your guidelines in scripture, moral. Not Pats versions either. Barack is the jock in the stables? Wake up, he's deadly to the real right? Follow his churche's doctrine closely, O's sway may go all the way. As they peddle themselves across America to the deperate housewives and America owes Us crowd, its much bigger, and radical than you think? And loud?
Iraq? Read 38 chapter Ezekiel, Yea, Huckabee believes. From last, to first? Greater is He.

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W Jones, Detroit, MI — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:45:49 GMT

Voters need to understand thaty the president has only limited power on issues like same-sex marriage, etc. The Supreme Court decides these issues. While Giuliani's platform may suggest he is not opposing these issues, he has made it clear he intends to appoint strict, constructionist judges. Which are typically very conservative. So those seeking a tough line may do well to consider that Rudy might just get them where they want to be, albeit indirectly.

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Gary, Fort Wayne IN. — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:52:28 GMT

I am definitely more afraid of Rudy than I am Hillary. If Rudy gets in, the Republicans will go along with everything that he wants, which we know from his past is liberal. Hillary is liberal too, just like Rudy, but if she got in, the Republicans will vote AGAINST her agenda. That's the difference! And I disagree with Ross. I will never back gay marriage, and will do everything I can to stop it. Many don't understand. If you're gay, you go against God's nature, and it is only under God that you are truly considered married. I'm not interested in uniting the country at any cost. I'm only interested in bringing people to Christ. But before that can happen, gays must realize their lifestyle is evil, and must repent. Illegal immigrants must realize they are stealing from the citizens of the United States. These two things are sin, and you cannot be saved if you do not ask for forgiveness. And allowing gay marriage IS sin!!! You're not bringing people to repentance if you are backing them in their sin. Stop with the feel good-ism. We do not have many roads to Heaven; just one. And that is laid out in the Holy Scriptures. And that is the final Word!

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Andy, Baytown Texas — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:55:02 GMT

No compromise. My fellow social conservatives, if the GOP nominates someone who supports abortion rights, the pro-life movement is dead. We must do all we can to stop his nomination. If he is nominated, we must vote third party. I'd rather 4 years of president Hillary than a pro-abortion rights Republican party.

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Bill, Iowa — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:55:22 GMT

"This is better than sex. The entire reichwing is collapsing in on itself under the weight of it's total hypocrisy. We can only hope that they continue to eat their own young for another year."

Funny how it all depends on your vantage point, the view I have from my perch is this. The Democrat party is being taken over by the hardline Liberal/Socialist elite, your party has truly been bought and paid for by George Soros.

"We can only hope that they continue to eat their own young for another year."

We'll eat ours you just keep aborting your's and we'll see who becomes irrelevant first.

For the record I think abortion is a personal choice, I may not like it but the world is full of unwanted children. Any woman that can kill her baby probably shouldn't be raising one.

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dean lewis, perry, maine — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:00:25 GMT

Huckabee = HUGE GOVERNMENT PART III

Do some homework....

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John Micklos — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:02:37 GMT

who are these misfits who would rather have hillary as president than rudy? use your heads people

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Tom, Minneapolis, MN — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:19:19 GMT

Guiliani will be even more of a despot than Bush. I do not want to imagine Rudy with the power of the presidency. He is an egomaniac with no sense of responsibility to his citizens. NYPD and FDNY can't stand him, because he's always taking credit for their work, but really did nothing to help; he was too busy grandstanding. It's true, he is a "pathologically cruel tyrant." That's much worse than an idle fool leading a small junta of pathologically greedy miscreants, like we have now.

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Ken — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:19:19 GMT

It's clear that the Republicans hate Christians too. So, we'll take our vote elsewhere (or no vote at all). Good luck against the democRATS.

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David A Jones; Clifton Hill, Missouri — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:19:26 GMT

Frankly, I would rather see 4 years of Klinton than to have to hold my nose once again as I vote for the "lesser of two evils." I want to vote for someone I believe in...and that ain't Giuliani.

Bloodbath is probably not the word I would have chosen, but yes, it will be a Dummycrat landslide if Rudy is on the Republican ticket. I am not so arrogant as some to claim "most Americans," "most Christians," or "most" ANY group is going to do something. When I hear the word "most" come out of someone's mouth, I tune out, because NOBODY knows what MOST of anything believes.

Having said that, I am certain I am not unique in that if it is Rudy vs Whoever...I stay home, or vote third party, if there is someone I believe in.

As I said, I am not going to hold my nose and vote for the "lesser of two evils" again.

Take heart! Our great Nation is not so fragile as to not survive a 4 year stint of Dummycrat Rule. Maybe that is the kick in the pants the Republicans need to get their act together.

jonesey

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Mike Mills North Bergen, NJ — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:27:55 GMT

God bless Hillary Clinton!!!!!!!!!

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David Selma, NC — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:35:58 GMT

Huckabee is just a Rudy pawn. Rudy is begging Huck to beat Romney in Iowa. Then Rudy will win NH and sweep nomination. Then when it comes time to choose a Veep who do you think is first choice. A vote for Huck in Iowa is a vote for Rudy. Romney can beat Giuliani. Romney can also unite both Social conservatives and fiscal conservative. If we nominate Rudy we will lose the former, if we nominate Huck we lose the latter. Abortion should be an important issue just not the only one. I will not support a "pro-life liberal" like Huck just because he has been pro-life longer. From what I have heard Huck thinks anything that is compassionate is conservative. So if Socialised Health care is compassionate it is conservative Huck? Huck, thats not the conservatism I grew up with. Plus there is Immigration which I heard someone say makes Bush look like Tancredo. Finally Huck has ethics problems too. Romney as I said can unite the party. Romney is the only one without personal or professional scandals. He is the only one who has run against a woman before so he knows what not to do(remember the mistakes Lazio made in 2000). Romney is the only candidate that can win the General Election.

GO ROMNEY!!!!!!!

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rob c.... — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:36:28 GMT

I've seen this mistake over and over. Listen, class.... Our type of Gov't./ politcal system doesn't run well with : 1) businessman(oil exec., big corp. etc. 2)clergy (preachers, man of god, etc).....in political office.....
" Rule of thumb here,,, don't vote for a preacher nor a businessman; because they will run the Gov't as such".....thank you....

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Jeff, Chicago — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:37:55 GMT

Rudy, Hillary, Obama,Huck, Plastic man....I mean Romney....they are in the end all the same candidate. Nobody's going to do squat about health care, or abortion, or any other "important" political issue. They use these same things EVERY election as bait and NOTHING ever gets done. There are more important things to take care of anyway. The only guy saying anything worth listening to is Ron Paul. People kept telling me he was some kind of nut, then I went and looked him up. Do yourself the favor.

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chadbourn nc — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:46:18 GMT

and we call Islam radical!!!!!!

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Bbbbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:50:14 GMT

" I, as an Evangelical will vote for Gulianni ANY DAY before ANY democrat. "

The independent spirit that made this country great.

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Mitch, Henry, Virginia — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:53:04 GMT

from the posts it appears that Republicans are not really Christians but just hungry for power ..... look at Calif. where Republicans embraced a steroid, marijuana smoking liberal just to gain power. CHRISTIANS HAVE ABANDONED THEIR MORALS AND CHRISTIAN BELIEFS FOR THE PURSUIT OF POWER

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Jeff Karns, Casa Grande, Arizona — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:53:08 GMT

What few seem to understand is that the "conservative base" is fractured between religious/social conservatives and those who demand adherence to the US Constitution and its restraints on government. I am one of the strict constitutionalists and this issue is deliberately ignored.

Unless we get government in check, America is headed for a fall, period. The other issues merely draw attention away from the problem, which is that we must restraint government to its constitutional limits. All else is a side issue and the bottom-line is glossed over at every turn.

We pretty much have a single political party in America, which has two wings. It is the "Globalist Party" and it has a left and right wing. Unless you are on-board with the program, you don't get nominated, period. Regardless of who is elected, we inexorably march toward more socialism and globalism.

Rudy, Hillary, Mitt, Barack and on and on...different rhetoric, but all headed for the same goal. It is simply a matter of degrees.

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bbbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:55:21 GMT

"He'll bring this nation together and give the liberals plenty of bloody noses. "

The venomous hate and in-your-face hypocricy that made the GOP a dead end.

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I came in peace — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:06:22 GMT

"These idiots are simply going to put Hillary - or God help us, worse... Obama, in office. The country, when it comes down to it, will not outright elect a polarizing liberal woman, or an even more radically liberal black man who didnt even grow up in this country. ....yap...yap...yap"

Good thing we have non-idiots like you to explain it so clearly.

You know what would impress a lot of us non-evangelicals? If you yammering fools gave a damn about a life AFTER it's born.

If God can do anything, can He create an evangelical so hypocritical and obnoxiously self-tighteous that even He can't stand him?

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becky houston texas — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:12:38 GMT

Please no Huckabee. I am a Southern Baptist like he is but I don't want another Bush in the White House. Huckabee says it's okay to give the taxpayers money to chidren of illegal immigrants? No amnesty no way. Huckabee does NOT sound like a conservative to me. He sounds like a liberal pro life candidate and that won't cut it for me.

B. Houston TX

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Dennis H, New Bern, NC — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:13:49 GMT

Rudy G. is nothing more than Hillary lite ... Both are the absolute worst choices their respective parties can make AND worst possible thing that could happen to this country...

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David D. Kenner, LA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:14:59 GMT

To those of you who say the President has no influence on the abortion debate, you cannot be more wrong! The President nominates Supreme Court justices who make those decisions. Mitt Romney is the only candidate who will take down Hillary or Obama. Conservatives need to vote for Mitt Romney. A vote in the primaries for anyone other than Romney is in reality a vote for Giuliani, and in effect a vote for the democrats in the general election. VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY!

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experienced one — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:16:16 GMT

If you want a petty tyrant in a cheap suit with a sleazy smile, then Rudy is your man. He and Putin belong on the same ticket. The fool built his emergency command post in the WTC because it was close enough to city hall to be used as a love-nest for his mistress - all on the taxpayer dollar.

He nearly bankrupted New York, used taxpayer money to fund his extra-marital trysts (when it could have been spent to upgrade first-responder radios, saving lives on 9/11), stood behind police who sodomized one man and emptied 50 bullets into another, and famously stated in the early 90's that "freedom is about authority." If you want a police state whose funds are dedicated to servicing Dear Leader, then cast your vote for Giuliani/Putin in 08.

The people with the most experience with this man know that he is totally unqualified for the Presidency. He will be a disaster for this country.

The only argument I hear in favor of Rudy around here is that he can beat Hillary. I don't know if that's true, but if that's really your reasoning then you might as well go ahead and admit that you're selling out everything you claim to believe in for a chance to hold onto power.

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R in Washington, DC — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:19:41 GMT

Rudy will make a great President for our party. The plain fact is that on the more Christian Right social issue there is not the political will to do them. Reagan sort of promised them, they did not happen. Bush senior seemed to promise them--they did not happen. The Christian Right believed that George Bush outright promised to deliver them--he had the House and Senate in his hands --and even he did not make it happen. We may never have that sort of majority again. Right or wrong--these are dead issues in America. I cannot see holding Rudy responsible for pushing these issues when they have not already been delivered. The Christian Right can start 3rd party movements, but they will only ensure that more liberals win. Our party has been very supportive of the agenda--but the time came and went--and it likely went with this President. Now there are other issues that threaten to destabilize the nation--trade imbalances, a weak dollar, terrorism. I hope the Christian right will stay with the party and stay with Rudy as our best chance to elect another Republican--as the party has stayed by them--- in this new time of real global threat to the nation. Plus, I think the Christian Right may be VERY surprised--perhaps it will be the man who DID NOT promise them anything--that will in fact be the man who delivers something. Rudy certainly cannot do any worse then what they have gotten to date from a time when we held all the political cards in our hand and only had to try and do it. Do not hold Rudy more accountable then those who actually promised it, had it in their power to make it happen ---and did not. Stay with us and with Rudy as we face some other threats and I know he will deliver something.

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De Clapsadle Clinton OH — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:21:57 GMT

If Gulianni is the worst thing these socalled cristians have to worry about then they have it made in the shade. Wish they practiced what they preach.

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Michael S., Baltimore, MD — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:42:02 GMT

I don't understand the Republican party, we traditionally stand for small government, free economy, capitalism, and we could not care what people do in there own bedrooms. It is a sad state when the Republican party is held capitive by the neocons.

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Jerry Christenson, Kenner, LA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:52:22 GMT

ATTENTION: Haven't you heard that the "only Conservative of the top five" is Fred Thompson - Per Rush Limbaugh!!! go to Fred's site and check out his conservative plans for America: Flat Tax; Secure Border with law enforcement; a solution to Social security; Strong Defense - expand military, fight ans win the war against radical Islam/terror.

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John Romano, Los Angeles, CA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:02:14 GMT

We are going to be going against a borderline socio-path in Hillary or man who was born a Muslim.

No doubt Obama was born and raised Muslim, not an extremist Muslim, but a Muslim nonetheless.

Rudy is what is needed in 08,

Huckabee and Romney will be made to look like ABORTION issue only kooks. Also, Romney spearheaded socialized medicine in Taxachusetts.

Rudy is the man.

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Sondra Barnes, City, State — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:03:17 GMT

I am a Christian and I am horrified by this attitude toward Giuliani.

Republicans with attitudes like this give the Democrats such a gift when you obsess on your religious beliefs which put some people above other people.

Can't you see how you hurt the Republican Party by your religious beliefs? And you say you follow Jesus. You had better think again with all your self-righteous, arrogant, obnoxious judgments about other people....beliefs which Jesus never held.

Can't you see how you help the Democrats with all your obnoxious beliefs?

Can't you see how you ensure that the Democrats will win?

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dilbert — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:06:01 GMT

Rudy rocks...did a great job in NYC. Good luck Rudy!

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Brian NYC<NY — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:12:38 GMT

sure, vote huckabee and watch him raise taxes and then give the money away to illegal immigrants in the form of entitlements. he has said so himself...aren't you listening? "Rudy has run the most conservative administration in 50 years"-George Will

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kyleb — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:18:00 GMT

Only Rudy will bring over the independents to beat Hillary. Huckabee voters are idiots. He'll only get the Christian conservatives and we'll end up with Lady Sauron and a fresh round of tax audit reprisals on conservatives.

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Dan Charlotte — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:23:01 GMT

Nominating a Moderate Republican is nothing new.... let's see we tried Bob Dole, we tried Bush Sr., we tried Jerry ford.
Our track record is not so good, the only one to get in office was Bush Sr. riding Reagans coat tails.

Think about it.

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Mormon Christian, Seattle, WA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:33:30 GMT

To: Bob, OK City, OK

Your lack of intellect is evident in your comment about Mormons which I won't even restate here. Interesting that you can so casually throw out a comment that you know so little about. What's "ludicrous" is that you think you have the authority to decide who is christian and who is not. Your idotic reasoning will continue to dam your progress. Christians that are so judgemental and have such hatred for others? It's really quite sad. This will be the most interesting election of all time. People will vote for Obama because he is black, vote for Hilary because she is a woman and NOT vote for romney because he is a Mormon. Quite frankly, we deserve the outcome.

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Kevin Malvey — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:35:00 GMT

Rudy is not the perfect Republican. There are no perfect Republicans, there are no perfect candidates. I'm a McCain guy, and he may get a win in NH but I don't expect many others. I expect to be voting for Rudy in November. Any conservative Evangelical who refuses Rudy out of spite will be responsible for a woman who should be anathma to them getting elected.

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Scott, Houston, TX — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:40:51 GMT

Ron Paul is the ONLY Constitutionalist in the race. He is the ONLY candidate that would smash Hillary if nominated. Every Republican, Libertarian, and even some moderate dems would vote for him. He is awesome! Rudy, is a more feminin version of Hitlary in a dress.

I am a very conservative Republican and if it comes down to Rudy vs. Hillary, I am voting for Hillary. At least she will meet with stiff opposition from the GOP congress and we might get lucky and get four years of gridlock. Rudy, the leftist wacko would get a free pass from the GOP to push his democrat, communist agenda just like George W. Bush did and look what a disgrace that traitor is.

Reform this garbage government or take it down by force. Ron Paul 2008 or armed revolution!

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Xeno77777, Saint Petersburg, Florida — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:42:57 GMT

Of Dems, I like John Edwards, of RePubs, I like Fred Thompson. Nixon labeled him a reliable man, but not Clever. Intelligent enough to become a lawyer, Thompson has Intelligence = Good Man + Clever Man, not just clever only, like the future jailbirds Nixon thought their cleverness alone without Goodness was superior. Nixon's Winning strategy: move left, run Dems off road into ditch. Fred needs to emulate. Like Strong Borders, Seize Illegal's Employers Property, treat like Drug Lords. Bin Laden + Al Queda planning Biological Warfare, Universal Medicaid/Medicare needed for defense. John Edwards most solid on most matters. Hope final Nominations produce outcome for Nov-08, of Edwards vs. Thompson. Most All The Rest: Are Shameless, Brazen, Evil Liars, Incompetent Nit Wits, Or Kooks. Remember George W. Bush graduated from both Harvard and Yale; The US does not need anymore Phoney Grads from These nor any other Ivy Leagues; Ivy's give Phoney degrees,and give answers and even questions to ask in class, to Legacy and other favored students. How do you think below average Verbal I.Q. 95, G W Bush ever graduated: and where do you think Bush's Neo-Con Advisers came from? Harvard invented the case study method, to protect Slave Owners from The Natural Law, which ruled Slavery Illegal, ten or more years before the American Revolution-based on the Natural Law. All US Colleges and Universities were shut down in 1776 for the War of Independence. The Southern Plantation Slavery Industry, and the New England Slavery Financing, Insuring, Slavery Importing as long as Legal, and Cruel Slavery Overseer Providing Industry, Put Up the Cash Money to RE-Found Harvard and Yale to protect and justify the Ugly, but very profitable Slavery Industries. No graduate of these two, Harvard of Yale, should ever be employed by the US Government in any manner what-so-ever, much less be elected US President. Before entering politics, Benito Mussolini edited a Magazine devoted to Harvard Philosopher and Psychologist, William James. This means Harvard invented Fascism. Both replaced Aristotle's Scientific Philosophy with the Ideology of Emmanuel Kant, Shameless, Brazen Justify-er of the Ugly Prussian Bureaucratic Feudal Military Dictatorship. Emmanuel Kant plagarized his infamous "Critique of Pure Reason" from Emmanuel Swedenborg's "Heavenly Secrets," and translated it into the mistaken language of 1700's flawed science. All US Military Opponent's Ruling Elites since 1860, have been motivated by Emmanuel Kant's Ideology. Ivy League Grads are trained in Social Darwinism, and Evil Ruling Class Elite-ism. Bush is running up a Huge War Time Debt to deliberately destroy Social Security, against the will of Congress, and the Will of the American People. Bush criticizes Russian President Putin, for using the Election Tricks of Jeb! Bush, the Bush uncles with the Kuwait Contact, Enron, Haliburton and its the President Richard Cheney. If Putin is Stealing an Election, he learned it from George W. Bush and Friends. Hillary would be GWBush Lite; Rudy would be Adolph Hitler Lite. Huckster-by as Arkansaw Governor, gave Illegal Aliens college aide, ahead of young former US Service men and women. Huckster-by thus Spat upon US Service men and women. MacCain is too Low in I.Q., too poorly educated and poorly read, knows nothing of US History or Western History, thinks he is owed election to President, just like his Phoney Legacy Promotion to Admiral. The US needs no more Legacy Folks, who think they deserve legacy positions, up to and including the Presidency.

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Xeno77777, Saint Petersburg, Florida — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:44:55 GMT

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Franco, Galveston, TX — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:48:52 GMT

Ron Paul is the obvious choice for voters of faith.
He's a Christian pro-life candidate that has been married to the same woman for over 50 years.
He's a 10 term republican from Texas.

His voting record is the most fiscally conservative and he wants more power at the local level for our children's education.

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Jim, Washington, D.C. — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:03:49 GMT

What are you people thinking? The only choice that will not continue the anti-American politics that has ruled Washington for 30 plus years is RON PAUL. Rudy and Hillary are total shills for the New World Order. Do your homework, they are puppets for the corporate elite who want nothing less than to DESTROY the USA. WAKE UP AMERICA!

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Tim — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:11:49 GMT

Vote Ron Paul! He wishes to dismantle the white supremacist government!

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Earl J, NY, NY — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:24:10 GMT

Looks like the MSM marching orders involve promoting Huckabee endlessly. Ron Paul had 2-3 questions and limited time. He still crushed them all (how come every article forgets to include his comeback to McCain which mentioned that Ron Paul gets more Military Contributions than any other candidate?). Mitt is dead after desecrating the Confederate flag. Many Southerns died under that flag.
Unfortunately it took segregationist Governor Wallace to reveal the truth that "there's not a dime's worth of difference between" Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, detaining protesters, banning books like "America Deceived' from Amazon, warrant-less wiretapping and refusing to investigate 9/11 properly. They are both guilty of treason.
Support Dr. Ron Paul and save this great nation.
Last link (before Google Books bends to gov't Will and drops the title):
http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-38523-0

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Dan Lacey — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:35:17 GMT

Christian conservatives would very much like to help Rudy cross Pennsylvania Ave. to the White House but at the moment he doesn't desire our assistance. Mr. Guiliani is an intelligent fellow; hopefully he'll make a few welcome 'pledges' regarding issues important to social conservatives as we draw closer to Nov. of 2008. Reference: http://faithmouse.blogspot.com/2007/05/ruby-jewels-i-fall-down.html

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skysoldier — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:37:39 GMT

Whichever Republican gets the nod he will go on to get elected president.Contrary to popular belief, it doesn't matter that Hillary is a woman,(I think I speak for a lot of American men.All of us would vote for the right female canditate, Condi Rice for instance,but not this vapid creature hanging on to King Billys coattails) which she's trying to use to her advantage,she wouldn't be elected national dog catcher, let alone president, by the average American voter!Trust me, Her Thighness will never be President!!!!!!!

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Willie — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:37:53 GMT

Rudy is a disaster. Huck is better, but lousy on immigration, taxes, and spending.

A vote for Huck in Iowa is a vote for Rudy.

Only Mitt can bring all camps of Repubs together. Once people realize he's not running for pastor-in-chief, you will know he's by far the best candidate.

Give Mitt a chance before Mike and Rudy run away with the primaries. They'll get devastated by Hillary or Obama.

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SUE WINN, oKC, OK — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:43:25 GMT

THESE "SO CALLED" CHRISTIANS ARE AS BAD AS THE LIBERALS. "THEIR OPINION" (TOTAL AGREEMENT) OVER BALANCE OF MOST NEEDED TRAITS TO LEAD. EMOTION OVER WHO HAS THE MOST CREDENTIALS/EXPERIENCE TO LEAD. "MY WAY OR NO WAY", CLOSED MIND.

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Trinity Sherwin, Norman, Okla. — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:45:26 GMT

Christians should realize that no where in the bible does it require that a leader be a Christian... in fact, what we as a nation need is a person of integrity, regardless of what they might say their personal beliefs are.

We have many people supporting candidates that in no way show integrity, or saying they are a Christian but don't act according to those principles.

I am supporting Ron Paul this election mostly because he has shown his steadfast belief in the same principles for his entire time in Congress. This can't be said of the others in the Republican race. I don't agree with Ron Paul 100% but who of us can agree completely with any candidate?

I consistently vote Republican and have for years, but this race, I will support the Democratic candidate if Ron Paul is not in the race, simply because we have, after 8 years of my once favored president, George Bush, gone into a crazy unfounded war with Iraq (which has no link to 9/11) and it shows no signs of stopping. We have to change the way we deal with the world, economically, politically, and socially, while we still have moral standing to do so.

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Jody, Central Vermont — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:49:16 GMT

I'd be willing to believe that the The Iowa Christian Alliance is a George Soros funded liberal group trying to get the most dangerous candidate that faces Hillary (if she even wins the primaries). First of all Christians will cause a bloodbath? Who are the murderers in this country anyway? Why do liberals want criminals in jail allowed to vote? Who endorses the mass killing of pre-born children? Who goes out of their way to keep murderers out of jail? Those of you who buy into the claims by the lunitic group The Iowa Christian Alliance are being taken! This group is doing a Clinton classic divide and concore. Conservatives alike - if the guy is Rudy make sure you do sole searching before you conduct your bloodbath. If there is a bloodbath it is being done by the Drive-By media, the Clintons and all their sheep. Rudy is lightyears better than Clinton.

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John Albright — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:52:33 GMT

Anybody but Hillary,even Rudy.

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SUE WINN, OKC, OK — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:55:35 GMT

VOTE FOR SAVING U.S. EMOTIONAL VOTING ALWAYS RESULTS IN POOR OUTCOME. YOU CANNOT BE EMOTIONAL WHEN MAKING DECISIONS. JUST THE FACTS PLEASE. TAKE TIME TO RESEARCH PERSON LEADERSHIP EXPERIENCE FOR THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT NEED. WHO WOULD YOU WANT TO PROTECT YOU & YOUR POCKET BOOK? SOCIALISM (EVERYONE EQUAL, REGARDLESS OF EFFORTS) OVER INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS.

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SUE WINN, oKC, OK — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:01:53 GMT

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Dennis, Ripley, TN — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:21:14 GMT

"Bloodbath" is just a manner of speaking knuckleheads! Rudy is not conservative enough for most Republicans (and is a LONG ways off from the Reagan glory days). It's just politics as usual with Rudy. As for single-issue candidates, the Democrats are even worse. Their single-issue is: Get out of Iraq now!!!

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Rick Levandowski, Independence WI — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:36:42 GMT

Millionaires, flip-floppers, and Beltway-ers don't get my vote. Voting for the lesser of two evils is the same as doing the same thing over-and-over expecting a different result = insanity.

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Tanny Sue, Banks OR — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:39:42 GMT

Get real! You all that are voting for Rudy do you really want a cross dresser as President. What a joke.
So far as I can see it there is not one person who is worth voting for.

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Mike, Arcadia, Ca — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:51:37 GMT

It's too bad that these Jonnie One notes, The Iowa Christian Alliance , can't think of the big picture; their values can't be enforced or denied by executive order. As a Christian, these narrow minded people embarass me.

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David, Holbrook, NY — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 21:00:04 GMT

When working with Mr.Kerik, who never held the rank above Detective. Mr.Kerik was elevated to a position that he never should have been in, Rudy passed over many qualified Senior ranked members of the NYPD both Black and White, and Woman. As far as Rudy's claim of cleaning up the city, you should read Bill Brattons books and biography. Before the NYPD and Transit Police, were merged Bratton had cleaned up the subways by hammering away at quality of life crimes. It was Bratton who implemented the Transit Police in getting 9mm Glocks. The NYPD fought against this vigorously. Rudy Forced the agencies to merge in 1993 and 1994. The best thing Rudy ever did for New York, was appoint Bratton as head of the NYPD. Bratton implemented the same strategy of attacking quality of life crimes, he implemented Comstat( as statistical way of tracking crime, and holding the Commanding Officers to know about the Commands crime at a daily basis) none of the policies that Rudy claims responsibility for regarding crime, belong to him. Brattons work is still used by the City, because it worked for the years in Transit and in command of the NYPD.

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RBB, right next door to you — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 21:15:57 GMT

Rudolf is the only one who can keep this war going.
We need him.
Halliburton needs him.
What will we tell the Blackwater children if their daddies lose their jobs?

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CB, Sparta, WI — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 21:38:36 GMT

Someone mentioned Jeb Bush as a potential "savior" for the republicans in 2008. It will NEVER happen because Jeb's political career died when Terry Shaivo died. When he got on that issue boat, he never considered it to be the political equivilent of the Titanic and that's exactly what it was. Oh, and his immigration stance doesn't help either or the fact that brother "w" has damaged the family name beyond repair and proved that the Bush family is in bed with Saudi Arabia. I get the distinct feeling that if there ever was a chance for a third party candidate to successfully make it to the white house, it's now.

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Dorothy Lambert , ( Enid, OK) — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 21:39:58 GMT

I am a Christian too, and my choice, as of today, is
Duncan Hunter, but he gets very little News coverage.
But I will vote for whoever gets the nomination 'cause
we just have to keep Hillary, the Socialist, from be
coming our next President. God help us if she should, but it's quite a political machine the Clintons have and
she and her Minions will do WHAT EVER it takes to win.
So we Christians MUST stick together and vote for whoever gets the Republican nomination.

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Bill Wheeler — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 21:45:14 GMT

You guys beter wake up! This single issue stuff is crazy. Remeber Ross Perot? We listened to him and got Clinton. Rudy can get this stuff back in the road and out of the ditch. As I remember, Jimmy Carter used to pray with us on TV a lot. If you guys keep on slinging mud at Rudy, you will be crying about Hillary taxing the snot of us, taking our guns, giving our kids condoms, and making us house illeagals in our homes! Wake up or just bring in the clowns.

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Greg — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 21:48:32 GMT

A vote for Romney is a vote for someone who does not accept Jesus Christ as God's only begotten Son and Savior. For the Christian association to support someone outside of the Christian family is strange indeed. Expecially when this individual has supported gay marriage and abortion until he decided to run for president. This election is a real strange one.

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Joseph — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:02:24 GMT

So - let me understand. The head of the ICA and others say that if Rudy is the nominee they will either stay home or vote third party insuring the win for Hillary. So - they don't like Rudy's social stands - Hillary's are better? So - they think she will be better for their issues? How stupid.

The fact is that the Christian oranizations like ICA are demanding their way or no way. It's a "principled" stand - hogwash! By letting someone like any of the Democrat candidates be elected President you have violated every principle you say you stand for. Ridiculous. How stupid!

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Mike Boston Mass — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:22:02 GMT

GOHUNTER08 dot COM The only electable conservative candidate is Duncan Hunter. Recall where Ronald Reagan was in late 1979; no where - a total unknown. Rudy, Thompson and Huckabee are RINOS. Mitt doesn't know how to fight, (gay marriage in Massachusetts). Duncan was a Ranger and his son is in Iraq right now. At least check him out!

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Barbara erra,Las Vegas Nevada — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:27:42 GMT

if we plan on winning, and I do!, you bet the votes will be there for Rudy! I choose strength over weakness any time! The touchy feely libs don't have a clue as to how to protect us. Why would they? They can't even stick up for the military thats trying to protect them! GO RUDY!!!!

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terence moore, jackson, wyoming — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:29:07 GMT

Comments like this would be frightening but for the more frightening prospect of a demoncrat being elected. For goodness sakes, wise up and stop looking for perfection. They are politicians after all. Vote for Rudy or Thompson as the best of a not-so-good lot and live with it. We need someone who will stand up for the Constitution and against the invasion of illegals, who are being helped by the unpatriotic and traitorous leftists like Pelosi, Kennedy, Soros, and their ilk. Do you really want them to have the ear of a fellow leftist like Hillary, Obama, or Edwards. If so, then you deserve what we will surely get.

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Zelma Gragg, College Station, Texas — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:35:14 GMT

I don't think you guys get it - there are some candidates that many Christians just will not vote for! They don't like Hillary getting in (supposing she really is the candidate); but they just will not vote for Rudy and probably not Romney either. They will just not vote - even if it gives Hillary the election! Just try winning without half (or more) of your base, Republicans!!!

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Alan E, Greeneville, TN — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:16:58 GMT

That is truly the most foolish notion. You disagree with Rudy on one point and know that failing to support the Repub candidate GUARANTEES a democrat victory.

Your minds are even smaller than I thought.

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bubba, denton, arkansas — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:25:11 GMT

Ron Paul is our only hope!

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Tom R., Yuma, AZ — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:28:35 GMT

Ducan Hunter is the closest to a Constitutionist of all the candidates running, he is though on border issues. He was the one that got the border fence bill passed. Now if they will just get the darn thing built!

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Karen, Spokane, WA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:30:08 GMT

Romney is the best of the bunch by far. Rudy would be okay as a VP because of his expertise in combatting crime and terrorism. No way to Huckabee--he's pro taxes, wanted to give illegals free college tuition, likes the state being too involved in our lives, somewhat ethically challenged. (Charged with 13 ethic violations in Arkansas.) He's witty and likeable at times but does not have anywhere near the intelligence and experience needed to run this country. Mitt is the man. Brilliant, analytical, accomplished, and a morally sound family man. Hillary and her bunch would turn the White House back into a bordello/pricey bed and breakfast. It would be so refreshing to have a good, decent and articulate man in the White House. Ronald Reagan, we miss you! Mitt isn't Reagan, but he's a good second and would be head and shoulders above the rest of the pack. Go, Mitt!

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Joe in Los Angeles — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:31:02 GMT

Ron Paul is the only Republican who can beat the Democratic nominee. Why isn't the so-called base supporting him? He's a principled man with Christian values and a record that is beyond reproach.

The base is no longer the base. There is a shift happening in the Republican party and the establishment should take notice of the "New" Republican party, which consist of Ron Paul republicans.

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Bibi Lang New York — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:36:52 GMT

I am sure HER ROYAL THIGHNESS , THE DEMOCRATIC ANNOINTED and THE INEVITABLE MRS Bill Clinton is laughing at all the squable the Republican party has. The more infighting the more to her the path of less resistance to her getting what she wants . To be coronated to become the next president of this country. To me this is worse than voting Rudy for the President of the United states. Hopefully we all come to our senses. I would rather vote for the devil than allow Hillary to be annointed the President of the United States.Just like the devil - She will tell anything you want to hear.We need to wise up. In the end even if it is Rudy - power is still on the people except if you have a Democratic majority in congress and senate and now the Presidency then power is lost.

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Jamie S. Medford, MA — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:38:26 GMT

According to Ernie Dumas of The Arkansas Leader (www.arkansasleader.com)Mike Huckabee raised more taxes in 10 years in office than Bill Clinton did in his 12 years. Republicans have become the party of TAXING and SPENDING.

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Chris McIntosh, Fayetteville,NC — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:52:31 GMT

This is the primary!! Vote your 1st choice. Don't settle! To settle for less than your desires has been the current demise of conservatism!

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BAF, Virginia — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:55:43 GMT

There is no one I would be prouder to have represent the U.S. as our President and leader than Mitt Romney. He is soft-spoken and cultured, impeccable in appearance, has morals above reproach, a fine family - including a wife who fits the perfect image of our First Lady -plus a business background of organizational skills, and excellent accomplishments as a state Governor. What religion he belongs to is irrelevant, as are his opinions of abortion and homosexuals. He is not running for Dictator or King; he is, instead, a fine human being and our best chance to become a decent America again!

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Mike Pierce San Antonio, Texas(in Baghdad) — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:05:46 GMT

Republicans will lose the White House if they nominate someone void of moral principle.
McCain is our best candidate of character and Romney is best on the issues.
Guliani will lose an election because I like many will not vote for him at all.
Let Hillary or whoever further destroy our country. God is sovereign and people get the government they ultimately deserve.

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edward ripp — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:06:57 GMT

to juan of ft. lauderdale Fla.
whose comment sent sat the ist.
It takes one to know one.
HATE MONGERS ASSOCIATION OF WHITE RASCIST HOMOPHOBES.

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John Frost — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:18:06 GMT

It's most important that we know exactly if Obama is a Muslim under Muslim Law.
Why?
a.- Because if Obama gets elected, Muslim law will prevent Obama returning power to a non Muslim.

Many people are scared stiff of the advances Muslims are making in the US and fear that if a secret Muslim
is elected President they will be killed by Muslims.

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John Frost — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:20:02 GMT

Is Obama a muslim under Muslim Law?

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Michael, Mount Airy, MD — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:29:05 GMT

Note to Steve O: Before you spell check for H P Boston, you should run a grammar check on what you submit.

"...a moderate candidate like Giuliani, ROmney(sic)..." Only the first letter of a proper name is in caps.

"...to ULTRA-LIBERAL DEMOCRATS is(sic) they..." Would "are" have been a better choice here?

"... issues a President actually deals with." You probably meant, "...issues with which a President actually deals."

"...general election in a year where the entire..." You probably meant, "...general election in a year when the entire..."

Maybe you should move out of that glass house?

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Patrick Moore, Jonesboro, AR — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:38:00 GMT

Bloodbath? From the heart of the bible belt, I say we stop allowing the christian right to lead us down the path of self-destruction on the grounds of trivial matters such as same sex marriage. Fight for whar matters, not these petty homophobic matters. I will vote Rudy over any democratic nominee, and hopefully he wins out over the rest of the religious toting republican hypocrites, which by the way is the basis for the religious right.

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Matt , Morrisville North Carolina — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 01:00:13 GMT

You guys are all wrong. Ron Paul is the answer for everythng. Everybody else is just another Bush's shadow.
RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT

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Thomas Jefferson, Mid Michigan — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 01:45:56 GMT

We, the american people are losers no matter which one of the idiots currently running get nominated. If politicians could be treated like retail goods, we would all ask for a refund citing poor quality. Elections are a sham, and anyone that thinks they have a real choice is a bigger idiot than the politicians who are paraded in front of us. Come on people, does anyone actually think Bush and/or Clinton are brilliant. Heck, her husband could not even smoke a joint correctly.

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Therealjg, Corvallis, OR — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 01:50:02 GMT

Isn't it possible that a President Hillary would be better for conservatives than a President Rudy? She would be a uniter, he would be a divider. Look at how our current president has scattered the conservative movement. Little is more demoralizing than being sold out by a supposed friend. Bush II has governed largely as a Democrat. From No Child Left Behind to Open Borders, from Prescription Drug Benefit to nationalizing airport security, that guy has just torn up conservative causes. Think about it. The D equivalent of Rudy would be Alternate Universe Hillary, who is adamant about marriage = man/woman ONLY, and no special rights for the differently gendered. The equivalent to the RINOs response to this piece, would be letters by D's, pointing out that Hillary's still the gay lobby's best chance, that most D's are more mainstream, and to get over the marriage thing. That Hillary would be sudden death for the D's. Rudy is just the real world equivalent of Alternate Universe Hillary. The guy in Iowa gets it.

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ak7 — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 01:54:09 GMT

I agree , if any Cristian conservative says they won't vote for Rudy is giving Hillary Clinton the Presidency .I am a Cristian Conservative and I believe Abortion is extermination of life but to say because Rudy is pro choice no one should vote for him is just insane ,we can not elect some one on one issue only Bush is pro life and abortion is still legal so we must really weigh our choices in this election cycle .The main question should be who will best protect and defend this country ? and who can beat Hillary? Losing to Hillary is not an option folks we have to nominate someone who knows the ropes and I believe Rudy is our Guy this time .Wake UP people Please this is serious .Long live reason

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David Christopher — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 01:55:30 GMT

Fruitty Ruddy likes to wear dresses and hang out with gays. Check it out. Do we want a cross dresser as president?

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Chris F., Alpharetta, GA — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 01:59:32 GMT

WOW...how far we in the GOP have fallen. Looks like Rudy has really duped a lot of you out there. On 9/10/01, Rudy would have had a hard time getting most of you to cross the street to shake his hand. He was basically a disgraced man, finishing up his last term, with the White House nowhere in his future. Yet, somehow because his city was attacked by terrorists, many of you have bought into the bizarre notion that this somehow makes him a foreign policy genius. (I guess we should similarly view the mayor of Arlington, VA in the same light?) Simply put, a vote for Rudy is a vote for perpetual war.

Quite frankly, it is ironic how those of you who (rightfully) fear the Hilldabeast, think Rudy would somehow be your savior. The fact is, Rudy and Hillary would make great running mates. There's just not much more than a dime's difference between them.

Peace be with you.

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John Kirkland — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 02:16:46 GMT

Come on guys, let's speak some truth here. There isn't a Democrat out there that isn't going to support the Democratic nominee, whoever it turns out to be, even if that nominee had cat eyes, forked tongue, and a four foot tail.

The Republicans have the opposite problem.
Even if he gets the nomination, some Republicans will still withhold their votes; for instance
Giuliani will not get the pro life or NRA vote.
Naturally, Romney will not get the "anti-Morman" vote.
McCain will not get the "close the border" vote.
Huckabee will not get the "no new tax" vote.
All the rest are just also-ran's who have no chance at all in the primary.
Paul will only get the "legalize all drugs" vote.
Thompson was too late with too little.
And who the heck are Tancredo and Hunter. Both are just unknown to the average voter.
No matter who the nominee, not one of them would get more than a smattering of the black vote.

So, for the Republicans, that leaves it up to the undecided voters, known as independents.
Who are these people that can't make up their minds?
You know them. They are the people at the head of the line at McDonalds who take 15 minutes just to place their order for a BigMac, they won't pull into the intersection when turning left, but wait till the light turns red and then turn. They drive 55 in the fast lane, and 55 down your residential street, just so you will think they are consistent. They can be led around by the nose and in fact they prefer it that way. They say it cuts down on the smell.

The next time I hear one of them say "there is no difference between the candidates or the parties" or something like "I'm undecided, but my vote will be either Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich" I am going to stab myself in the ear with a No. 2 pencil.

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Dan, Tampa, FL — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 02:38:05 GMT

No way Rudy wins a general election against either Hillary or Obama. In the heart of a REAL conservative, the general election is already lost if Rudy wins the Republican nomination. True conservatives will stay home or vote third-party rather than continue to endorse the republican slide to the left. Rudy is a social liberal, war-mongering RINO who will hand the supreme court over to the left for the next 30 years. I don't care what he says on the campaign trail, look at his record. Despite his ever-evolving positions, in truth he is a fis-con liberal. What a sad time to be a conservative.

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Mark, Boise, Idaho — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 02:59:04 GMT

I will not vote for anybody who is not firmly anti-illegal immigration and firmly pro-gun. I simply will not vote at all if the republicans do not field a canidate such as that. I will not compromise!! Guliani
is vehemantly anti-gun and very much a wetback kisser.
And this is the opinion of a fundamentalist Christian.
Abortion and such are not big issues with me.

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Chuck, San Diego — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:04:16 GMT

Rudy a pro-constitution guy? Except the first, second, and fourth amendments that is. Ha! You want to trade political grandstanding for turning our country into a police state? Terrorists are after our freedom...so if we give it up to Rudy instead is that a win? The Republicans are charming away what little the Left hasn't outright stolen from us.

Now is the time for Ron Paul! A true constitutionalist! A true conservative!

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jonhseattledoe, — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:04:56 GMT

That guligani is not rite, he be wantin too kill the babys, he like to have sex with the homos, he be want to tak aways my gunns. i teel yu that gesus be the one for the president. guligani is the devel. hey i now an idea lets make everybody think like me and that be the way..make you pray like i want you puddle o spit!

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C.S. Powell Mediapolis , Iowa — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:12:56 GMT

There is only ONE CANDIDATE FOR AMERICA, our boarders are nothing but a pathway for illegals and TERRORISTS bent on the destruction of America. ACLU, the American Tarriest organization should be abolished and the leaders tried for treason. If you want a candidate for keeping America Safe and Stopping the illegal invasion there is only one. TOM TANCREDO and especially his support for the 2nd Amendment. God Bless our Troops and Law Enforcement.

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John Eagan,MN — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:22:40 GMT

I won't vote for any of those Republican's as they are all the same and want to take our individual rights away. Now this joker from Iowa attacking Rudy that way. Saying he's not Christian enough!!!! I left the party because of the attacks against Catholics, the previous two election cycles. I don't like Clinton either, so I guess Obama is the only choice here to save the great country as the U.S.A.

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Charlie Bravo, Ames, Iowa — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:55:45 GMT

From 2001 to 2007, Neocons had presidency & congress - federal spending increased approx 29%. Nothing has been done to stop illegal immigration and reform Legal immigration to make it a functional, fair process for the millions of good people that want to come here to become Americans. The value of the dollar has lost??? I don't know, it's falling so fast I can't catch up... fiscal and monetary problems are both related to funding a war that has done nothing to improve national security. We supposedly went to war over oil... what have oil prices been doing? As last year's elections showed, no one shows up to vote republican under these conditions. Why should we, the socialists (uh, democrats) can do all of this without any help.

Rudy, Mitt, John, Fred, Mike will all lose to Hillary because they will not mobilize voters... because they offer no substantial difference between Hillary or prior Neocons. If Republicans want to win they need to nominate a Real Republican - Unassailable Character and a demonstrated belief in smaller federal government and the rule of law, not men, under the Constition. Someone who understands the importance of sound fiscal AND monetary policies, is more concerned with our borders than Syria's, does more than pretend to support our 2nd amendment rights, and understands that abortion is not a federal issues, regardless of how opposed to it he might be personally...

I showed up to vote last year for one reason, I got to vote for Steve King (IA-5th district), who I happen to disagree with on a few things, but he is a real republican. Guess what? He won BIG, just like Reagan did, despite the middle of the road Republicans thinking he was too far out.

I will be voting for Ron Paul in the Iowa caucuses. If he doesn't get the nomination, I will write him in next November. I will not vote for a fake Republican just to beat a part time socialist - there is no difference. I will not submit to voting for the media's pre-ordained candidates.

If you truly disagree with me on policy, I would advise voting for a real socialist in your democratic caucus/primary. If you want the federal government out of your life, the border secured, and more personal influence over the political decisions that really matter to you (local), Mike, Mitt, and Rudy won't be the ones to do it. There is only one Real Republican running.

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Sam Fuller, Palmyra,Va. — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:05:10 GMT

Here is the bottom line on the 2008 race-
Hillary is the democrat. Rudy is the republican.
If our system was setup right it would be Obama vs Huckabee, but its more about money,ads,polls, and media coverage than what is best for America. The good news for republicans is Rudy probably picks Huckabee to be his VP so the base is happy. Huck finn can tell the red staters Rudy is okay. You vouch for him Huck? Yeah Rudy is okie dokie. Hillary loses the general election because she can't win Florida,or Ohio. Her negatives are just to high. Plus she is a serial liar. For this one day,aganist the next. People are not that asleep to vote for Hillary. She really is not qualified. I don't buy that Mitt Romney will get the nomination for the republican side. The democaratic race is a joke. Edwards is more a threat than Obama in Iowa. The Thompson run is a flop much like Wesley Clark in 2004. McCain,Biden, Hunter,and Dodd are very capable men. It is to bad that these gentlemen have not been able to catch fire with all the experience,and moxie. The fall of John McCain along with the rise of Mitt Romney makes me sad for this country. Romney has flip flopped,and lied about his record a great deal. Why are the red staters so down on McCain,and Rudy ? Both are great men. Romney does not strike me as great. Hillary does not seem great more like weak. She is the ultimate poller in cheif rather than a strong leader. I will take a Rudy, or John McCain with greatness in the blood over Hillary or Romney. Obama could be great but the democrats don't tend to nominate african americans for high office. The two Americas spiel doesn't work after Iowa so Johnny be good better win there or he is done.

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Ken — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:30:25 GMT

Ron Paul devotees want us to accept anarchy as a way of life. Less government is good. No government is brainless.

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Cleo — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:31:55 GMT

If the future Rep party becomes a party with no moral base, then let the liberals win the
whitehouse. If the party believes they can ever win
an election without the Christian base good luck.

If this county and party loses it's moral soul then it doesn't make any difference who's in control.

I will not be closing my eyes anymore and voting for
the lesser of two evils.

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Donald , Pittsburgh, PA — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 05:43:13 GMT

Hey guys,
You can piss and moan all you want about Rudy or Mike or Mitt or whoever. But in the final analysis, we need to vote for one of them and we CANNOT stay away from the polls in '08 or we will end up with DEMOCRAT running the country. Now all of you smart people who are running all of these voting blocks sush as the Iowa Christian Alliance, which is better, a Dem or a Republican who is less than perfect? If you have to think longer than a millionth of a nanosecond, you really are not too bright !!!

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Charlie Bravo, Ames, Iowa — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:08:02 GMT

-"Per Dick Morris, Mike Huckabee is a fiscal
-conservative." - re humphry

Is Dick Morris the guy to ask? So Huckabee didn't raise taxes as fast as everyone else... Ron Paul has NEVER voted for a tax increse.

-"The Dems control both sides of the House and
-promised to end the war. Do you really want them in
-the White House?" – Jude

The Dems have not promised to end the war. They could have ended it already if they wanted to, they don't need the presidency to do so. Congress could contiue the war without the presidency, by declaring war... If you are against the occupation, only one non-socialist candidate will do it. If you are for the war, first do some research on what is going on in Pakistan now... and what happened in Iran in 1953. Our foreign policy problems are MUCH bigger than wether or not we are going to play police officer in Iraq for the next 50 years (look at Korea)... then call your congressman.

-"All REAL conservatives should support Romney."
– Cory

REAL conservatives don't have to ask their corporate sponsors whether they should be for or agaisnt abortion this election.

-"Who cares. Iowa is a blue state anyway. Christian
-Republicans: get your act together before you worry
-about who the nominee is. You've got Democrats
-running your entire state. Fix your own house."
-Armenian

I agree completely, that is why I show up to vote in local elections. I've never voted for a democrat in my life, when one happens to be running as a republican, I vote libertarian.

-"Eisenhower and Reagan weren't constantly screeching
-about Jesus and abortion. – Uncle Joe

Nope, they weren't, Ike ended the Korean War WITHOUT the forced repatriation of unwilling former communists and supported pro-freedom forces successfully without getting americans killed (for the most part) AND he understood monetary policy well enough to get behind a guy named Volker (sic?)

Rudy gives republicans the only way to hand on to the presidency. He will draw a significant number of independents and some democrats (who simply do not like Hillary) as well. –Dave

There is no "Reagon Conservative" running on the Presidential ticket. –Jeff

Duncan Hunter

-"There's this guy, maybe you've heard of him,
-MCCAIN? And his policy TWIN, Fred Thompson -- those
-two are fine conservatives." –John

-"Thompson and McCain brought us the McCain/Feingold
-bill. WRONG!!!! That was gov'nt telling us to shut
-up." -Bob

Bob, is right, John, McCain & Thompson don't understand, or believe in, the 1st Amendment.

-"just aren't any Ronald Reagan's around at the
-moment." -?

To those with this sentiment... look up which Republican congressmen supported Reagan in '76. Republicans loose when they go middle of the road.

-"A note to everyone who loves Ron Paul. I love the
-guy too, but he would pull us out of Iraq. Is that
-really what you want, to see all-out genocide there?"

-"Perhaps we shouldn't have gone into Iraq. But we're
-there now, and we can't have the rest of the world
-see America retreating with our tail between our
-legs. That's what radical Islam wants."

-"We need to suck it up and win this. And it might
-take 10 or 15 years."

genocide is happening all over the world, do you support sending troops to Africa? We may have a moral right to stop genocide, but we do not have a moral imperitive, especially when doing so has no connection to our national security. What has the price of oil done since we went into Iraq? ...to overthrow a military dictator that we had previouisly supported... Radical Islam will destroy itself, without us, if we let it. They hate each other more than they hate us, our bad policies unite them against us. We need a new policy. Will we be in Iraq much longer than 10-15 years, try 50+, if we don't have fundamental change in foreign policy.

-"We made promises to the people of Iraq that we
-would help them. If we leave, everyone who has taken
-OUR SIDE in that country WILL BE DEAD.

We did help them. If they have no motivation to develop a reasonable government, they won't.

Illegal Immigration – None of the "major" Republicans will fix this, because they are owned by corps, look at who is donating to candidates – Ron Paul has most of military, gets his money from individual people – not corps… He will secure the border. This issue is the one a credible Republican can use to destroy any socialist (democrat). Americans want it solved. They won't believe Rudy, Huckabee, or Romney (for good reason, look at their records) and will not show up to vote for them on this issue. It doesn't matter who does well in landline based phone polls. Winning elections is about motivating people to show up to vote. Look at straw pole results for Ron Paul, compared to what the polls said he had for support at the time they were done!

The Republican party has shrunk dramaticly because of bad foreign policy, inaction on immigration, and complete inconsistency between claims of reducing government power and what they have actually done. Rudi, Mitt, Mike, etc.. will not convince enough people to show up to vote because they are not credible on reversing these trends. Ron Paul is credible on every one of these, look at his record. Vote Ron Paul!

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Lee in CA — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:32:24 GMT

"ACLU, the American Tarriest organization should be abolished and the leaders tried for treason. "

I used to think most Americans were pretty smart, but not any more.

You obviously don't know what treason is, and the ACLU fights for your right to be as stupid and loud as you are.

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Cleo — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 04:15:06 GMT

Alan says, That is truly the most foolish notion. You disagree with Rudy on one point and know that failing to support the Repub candidate GUARANTEES a democrat victory.

Your minds are even smaller than I thought.

I will not give up my principles (when you do, what have you left) to vote for Rudy.

When you don't want to vote for evil and then turn
around and vote for EVIL LITE you still have evil.
Doesn't take a sharp mind to know that.

It's seems to me with close to 300 million people we could at least find one who wants what we all want.

I want the same thing you want but with pro-life and marriage between a man and a woman also.

I refuse to vote for a counterfeit conservative (Rudy). We did that (Bush) and not again. If we are willing to do that we might as well have a 100% liberal.

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Concerned in Iowa — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:17:04 GMT

Here's the bottom line -- in a primary you vote your heart and your conscience and refuse to "settle." You don't worry about electability, you simply pick the person you most believe in and you work for his or her nomination.

But in the general election, if you can vote for who you most believe in, good for you. Unfortunately, the major parties usually screw things up and you are left voting for the lesser of two evils. While you can go vote for some third (or even lower) party candidate, the reality is that is just a wasted vote and at least a half vote for the person you most would not like to see win.

Thus, if you are an intelligent and responsible voter, you avoid third party candidates and choose the lesser of two evils among the major parties. In all likelihood this year, that will mean either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama on the Democrat side vs. either Rudy Giuliani or Mitt Romney on the Republican side.

Let us not forget the premise of this entire discussion -- the article noted that ICA demagogue Steve Scheffler was urging his supporters in northeast Iowa to do whatever it took to stop Rudy Giuliani or there will be a "bloodbath" at the polls because the radical right will stay away from the polls.

While Mitt Romney was also at this event and people are assuming Scheffler was supporting Romney, I don't believe that for a minute. I think the two being there was purely coincidental. And I think if Romney is the nominee, Mr. Scheffler will conduct another whisper campaign to stab Gov. Romney in the back just as he did to Cong. Nussle two years ago in the gubernatorial election.

To the poster who thinks it would be good to lose this election and we'll rally against Hillary and reclaim the House, Senate and White House in four years, learn from what has occurred in Iowa. In 1998 we lost the Governor's Mansion to a rather weak Democrat after 30 years of Republicans in that seat. Everybody thought that would just be a blip on the radar screen and we'd recover in four years. Yet that weak Dem won re-election in 2002 and consistently eroded the Republican majorities in the House and Senate. Then we had a strong Congressman run against an even weaker Democrat for governor in 2006, yet the Christian Right, led by Mr. Scheffler, aborted this strong Congressman simply because he had been through a divorce and the Democrats won again!

Every election matters! And the Christian Radical Right (sorry Michael S in Baltimore, but this is a whole different breed than the neocons you decry) that blindly follows Mr. Scheffler does not understand the idea of compromise. Would they have been better off with a Jim Nussle as Governor? Absolutely! But their demand for a perfect candidate, one who had never been divorced, caused them to cede the Governorship to someone who would prefer to grant gay marriage in this state!

Iowa is looking to at least 12 years of a Democrat in the Governor's Mansion and probably much more because the Christian Radical Right has decimated the Republican Party in Iowa (the State Central Committee is dominated by members of Mr. Scheffler's ICA). These so-called Christians are intolerant and have driven away many members of the Republican Party who are made to feel that if they disagree with these bigots on anything that they are the enemy. The people running the Republican Party in Iowa spend more time fighting their own members than fighting the Democrats, which is why they keep losing elections to the Democrats! Yet they don't care, as they would rather be "right" than tolerate other thoughts and ideas.

So don't be surprised by the attitude Mr. Scheffler exhibits when he would rather be "right" in opposing Rudy Giuliani for his stand on abortion and end up with an even worse Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. And while they think they can win in four years, even if that were true (and the example here in Iowa would indicate that it won't happen), what sort of country will we have left for them to govern?

So, by all means, vote FOR your favorite choice in the caucuses and primaries. I don't care if you vote for Alan Keyes (nobody seems to mention him as running yet he is and he is a true conservative who is highly intelligent, a Constitutionalist, and would attract Black votes). Granted, he has virtually no chance of getting elected but at least you voted for your candidate and not against someone. And that is what you should do in the primary cycle.

But no matter who the Republicans nominate, you have a duty to look at the records and plans of the Republican and Democrat candidates and choose which better fits your beliefs. While I am very much pro-life and not a Giuliani supporter, if it comes down to Rudy vs. Hillary or Obama I would vote for Rudy in a heartbeat over either one of those two and know that I have a far better chance of getting a pro-life judge like Roberts or Scalia than I'll ever get from Hillary or Obama. And Rudy is far better on the issues that really define this election (national security and leadership) than either of those two!

Unfortunately, Mr. Scheffler and the rest of you in the Radical "Christian" Right, refusing to vote for Rudy because of his stand on abortion will only guarantee that abortion will become more prevalent under a President Rodham! Your opportunity to stop Rudy is in the primaries. If you fail there, you then need to quit cutting off your nose to spite your face and rally around the Republican nominee (even if it is a Mormon or a divorcee) to protect your agenda from even more harm than the Republican would cause to it.

For those who think that the Republicans will do whatever Rudy wants, think again. The Republicans finally stood up (granted, only after lots of "input" from the "base") to GWB and stopped his amnesty plan (and don't forget Harriet Miers and Dubai ports before that). And I think the Republicans may finally start to get it and won't let Rudy or any Republican blindly lead them down the wrong path anytime soon.

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Brenda Skutevik, Cloquet, Minnesota — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:03:23 GMT

Wow all of the comments I have herd have made me think...Alot !!!!I am a christian voter who voted for Bush the last 2 elections. I have always disagreed with his stance on war but really love his honesty, he tells the truth which is so important. If you dont vote for Huckabee then vote for Clinton !!! The best way for us to understand where things are at is watch it all go to HELL ! We need to really understand how little love and morals mean to all of us.