Obama's controversial youth-vote push

Crystal (Time for change) — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:27:19 GMT

Way to go Obama. The youth vote does count!!! You are just truly awesome!!!

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Bee, Nh — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:31:49 GMT

Brilliant move by Obama!! Couple of months ago, the same pundits said students don't vote nor do they matter. Now, they are criticizing Obama for getting students fired up.

At every junction in the world history students have always made the right changes. Even in the recent Venezuela referendum, students were the voice of reason, how much more USA.

Students should not be intimidated and should defy all odds by caucusing for Obama come January 3rd, 2008.

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Steve — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:32:14 GMT

Can you imagine if Hillary had made a push like this? Come on, Obama. Where are the new kind of politics you talked about? Sounds mighty tricky and familiar to me.

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JStip — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:36:52 GMT

Yepsen is wrong on this. Out of state students in Iowa VOTE in Iowa because they LIVE in Iowa 9 months out of the year. Their right to vote was negatively impacted by moving the date to January 3rd. Is Yepsen suggesting that candidates are doing wrong by informing students of their voting rights ? I would think Yepsen's concern would be for the rights of young voters.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:44:43 GMT

When does school start at Iowa State????

You mean kids could be coming back almost two weeks early and have to sit around the dorm all day instead of being home with their family????

And worse, god forbid, what would happen if some of those kids got hurt or killed on their way back to Iowa just for this?

pretty gutsy move by Obama, he has Hillary on the run, he just needs to think this one through a bit more...

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CitizenJ — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:47:18 GMT

If they're going to school in Iowa, that means they're living in Iowa at least 9 months out of the year for 4 (or 5 or 6, you super-seniors) years. So, if they aren't allowed to vote, should we disqualify people who move south during the winter months because they don't live in one state year-round? Or what about if some of the students can't afford to travel home over the break or are staying to work? Are they disqualified too?

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leaf — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:47:24 GMT

It's much much worse than this. I certainly hope News media will keep a close eye on this. This story may become the biggest scandal coming out of caucus night.

Here's some tidbits from an Illinois high school student who lives in a town in IL but not far from IA.
Read Obama campaign's dirty tricks...

1. i can confirm that a certain campaign is now recuriting and enlisting high school and college students from Illinois to Caucus in Iowa. three options for transportation:

Bus
car-pooling with community campaign leaders
or
Train.

I was asked to caucus.lol

2.My community leader has asked certain elligible seniors in school who qualify under these terms:

–will be 18 or already are by next november (2008)
–have a residence (home), family or relationship (relatives, etc) in Iowa (believe me…a lot of Illinoisers do.)

As to transportation:

It is suggested we take either one of bus, train, or carpool. Carpool is provided by community leaders. Other methods, not sure about yet.

3.everything is done over the phone. There is a list of names and a paragraph thing i think on top as to what will hapen and stuff, but the stuff is kept by my community leader and he would never give it out freely

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Lyn, MD — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:48:44 GMT

How do you spell disenfranchisement

If these students registered in Iowa it is not their fault the caucus was moved up. If it had been held Jan. 10th when school was back could they have caucused. How about students in primary states that vote absentee...how is it any different.

These students/young adults have worked hard and have a right to exercise their right to vote

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Mike K, Denver — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:56:55 GMT

Ya know, I remember it like it were only yesterday. It was September 1996. I was a college sophomore at the beginning of the school year at Cornell College just outside of Cedar Rapids. I remember getting on a bus and driving to Des Moines to hear President Clinton speak. Before the main dinner that he was addressing, there was a separate rally and speech for us students. There were a few thousand of us gathered in the garage of the arena Clinton was speaking at. I remember that speech. It was nearly verbatim to what Obama is saying now to students.

Funny how something like this is "controversial" when it is someone other than a Clinton saying it.

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--NSMSNBC — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:57:32 GMT

I say, do what is fair, right and lawful to Iowa, whatever that is. My experience to the North has it being okay in past elections, but I'm not so familiar with the caucuses. I don't know what is fair, but it is the DNC's or RNC's or Iowa's responsibility to decide. You can't blame Obama for courting votes that exist.

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Nashville_fan — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:59:09 GMT

This is where I meant to post this earlier:

I wonder why this is "controversial"? Who is/was stopping the other candidates from doing the same thing? This is a completely legal practice that the campaign is doing OPENLY, not in secret. All this whining and moaning about a few college students who will not get to vote at home if they don't vote at school seems a little overwrought to me.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:02:42 GMT

Mike:

Gee, so you are saying that Obama is taking his talking points directly from Bill Clinton. I thought he was the anti-Clinton?

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John B, Des Moines, IA — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:03:31 GMT

Imagine how the US would be a different and mostly better place if young people voted in large numbers. If we're ever to cure the low voter turnout that makes it so easy to game the political process it has to be done by getting people into the habit of voting while they're still young.

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cms — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:03:56 GMT

The co-president of Students for Hillary at the University of Iowa is an Illinois native. The co-chair of Students for Hillary at Iowa State University, Sarah Sunderman, will be home in Minnesota for the holidays, and will be driving back to attend the caucus.

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=CD24A2C2-3048-5C12-00957B40A6837A9E

http://www.gwu.edu/%7Eaction/2008/clinton/clinton100207pria.html

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:05:37 GMT

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Louis R., Phoenix, Az. — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:05:42 GMT

hmmm, if the potential voter is registered in Iowa how is it a dirty trick to request that they vote?

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Bee — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:05:56 GMT

Folks,

Here is another argument that Clinton machine cannot spin regarding the new intelligent report. Barack Obama is right all along.

Now, this NIE on Iran does open up some more contrast possibilities for Barack.. He has said all along he wants to talk to Iran immediately.. they clearly have suspended their nuke weapon program since 2003 and lately have stopped providing IED's to the shia in Iraq to attack americans with.. so Iran is attempting some goodwill gestures,it appears. Of course , there we have HRC voting for the Kyle-Lieberman Iran resolution to ramp up the attack Iran rhetoric and giving bush a pretext for attacking.. what is wrong with this picture?

So Barack can calmly point out that:
A. NIE estimates must be read(HRC neglected to bother to read the NIE that cast doubt on WMD in Iraq before voting to allow bush to invade Iraq) and taken seriously.

B. Any rush to escalate the rhetoric with a resolution like kyle-lieberman is now clearly seen as being a mistake in light of this new info and it is unfortunate that HRC is stuck in the conventional foreign policy thinking of the past and of bushco.

C. Obama's willingness to meet with Iranian leaders could yield more progress quickly and HRC's labeling it naive and inexperienced is dead wrong.. and her pre-conditions required before talking could forestall any progress.

To me, this report is clear evidence that Iran can be negotiated with if the right person is in charge..ie.Obama.. think of the immediate impact of an easing of tensions in the middle east..as biden said their is a 30 dollar a barrel risk premium built into the 90 dollar oil price.. bring that down to 60 bucks and the worlds economy is back to humming along..and creating resources for exploring alternate energy sources..

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Dot, Illlinois — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:08:59 GMT

Question:

Does anybody know the law on this? I always thought one had to vote from one's legal residence, so if the students are legal residents of Iowa, what would preclude them from voting in Iowa?

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Mike K, Denver — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:09:07 GMT

Students attending school on out-of-state status have one of two options: change their voter registration to allow them to vote in the state their school's in caucus or primary and then general election, or to remain registered in their home state and vote via absentee ballot.

All Obama's camp is attempting to do is to tell the students of their options. Hell, Cornell was telling students their options when it came to voting in elections. It shouldn't be against the rules for a campaign to get students involved in politics, not at such an important juncture in our nation's history.

Too often we think our young people don't understand the world around them, or worse yet, don't give a flying f--k about it. I really don't think that's the case, especially lately. They're just as tied in to the rest of the world via the internet as some of us are via TV and radio. They know the world is messed up right now and a lot of it has to do with our present administration. This is the time for them to have their voice heard. I find nothing wrong with Obama's push and in fact encourage him to continue doing it. If the chief political reporter from the Des Moines paper can't see that young people voting is a GOOD thing, he should be relieved of his duties because he fails to understand what democracy and the right and power of the ballot really mean.

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Democrat — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:12:23 GMT

Check this out about Obama's record in Illinois Senate:
http://thepage.time.com/obama-response-to-clintons-iowa-remarks-monday/

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Bee — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:13:12 GMT

Folks,

I think we should advocate for Lincoln-Douglas kind of debate between Obama and Hillary Clinton. No 30 seconds sound bite but real debate on the issues.

I am pretty sure Obama will school her on the issues.

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Don, TX — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:14:20 GMT

There's absolutely nothing wrong or illegal about it. Had the primary been two weeks later, this would have been a non-issue, because it is 100% within the out-of-state students rights to vote in Iowa because they are -students- in Iowa. If you don't like it, take it up with the *Iowa legislature*.

But as long as these students have a RIGHT to vote, well then by all means we need to SECURE their right. It's the exact same with the "horrible" thing "leaf" up there talked about, the high school voters. As long as you are 17 and will be 18 in time to vote in the election, you are LAWFULLY allowed to caucus. -Everyone remember Hillary's "caucusing is easy" ad? With Bill eating a hamburger? No riga-ma-roar over that... they were courting those young first time caucus-goers as well.

Don't blame Obama for ensuring that someone rightfully exercises their right to vote. Even out of state students are STILL CONSIDERED IOWANS by Iowa law.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:14:54 GMT

Any proof that Hillary read the NIE...
LOL...

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Bee — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:15:22 GMT

I have one question. These students that will be coming back here to caucus - will they also be driving BACK to IL for that contest as well? If they are going to forego participation in IL for Iowa, that's fine with me. But if they come to IA to caucus, IL (or whatever their home state is)should be off limits.

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Illinois presidential primary is Feb. 5, 2007 and the students will be in school during this period. I guess this put your argument to rest.

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Dot, Illinois — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:15:48 GMT

Carrie wrote :I have one question. These students that will be coming back here to caucus - will they also be driving BACK to IL for that contest as well? If they are going to forego participation in IL for Iowa, that's fine with me. But if they come to IA to caucus, IL (or whatever their home state is)should be off limits.

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I had the same question-is it possible they could particpate in the Iowa caucuses and then vote in the IL primary? Is that legal and how would anybody check?

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Shaun, Hanover, NH — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:16:47 GMT

The fact is that voting laws are explicit: As a college student, you are allowed to vote in the state where you go to school, as you live there most of the year.

Most college students have their permanent addresses listed as their parents' homes, even though they basically live in the state where they go to school.

There is some dirty politics here, but it's not by Obama. Hillary is clearly trying to disenfranchise the youth vote because of the simple fact that young people overwhelmingly support Obama.

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Monica L, D.C. — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:17:52 GMT

Remember, in The Color Purple, when Oprah curled up her chubby fist? Remember Hillary?

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Mike K, Denver — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:18:00 GMT

Mike:

Gee, so you are saying that Obama is taking his talking points directly from Bill Clinton. I thought he was the anti-Clinton?
Carrie, Eastern Iowa (Sent Monday, December 03, 2007 5:02 PM)

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Nope. But if Clinton can do it, so can all the other candidates, right? It wasn't against the rules or law then, why should it be now?

As others have said, the shifting of the caucus calendar has caused confusion. The candidates do have the right to help answer any questions or concerns these possibly disenfranchised voters have.

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CitizenJ — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:18:28 GMT

I have one question. These students that will be coming back here to caucus - will they also be driving BACK to IL for that contest as well? If they are going to forego participation in IL for Iowa, that's fine with me. But if they come to IA to caucus, IL (or whatever their home state is)should be off limits.

Carrie, Eastern Iowa (Sent Monday, December 03, 2007 5:05 PM)

Agreed. But they definitely shouldn't be left out of Iowa - if that is the location they choose - for reasons stated in my 4:47 PM post.

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Mike K, Denver — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:21:41 GMT

I have one question. These students that will be coming back here to caucus - will they also be driving BACK to IL for that contest as well? If they are going to forego participation in IL for Iowa, that's fine with me. But if they come to IA to caucus, IL (or whatever their home state is)should be off limits.
Carrie, Eastern Iowa (Sent Monday, December 03, 2007 5:05 PM)

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No. They have to decide one or the other. I could not caucus in Iowa and vote in the then Colorado primary in 1996.

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Bee — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:24:41 GMT

Bee,

If the Iran issue was so important why did he not vote againest the bill? Was campaining for President 8 months before an election more important than being a leader on this issue? When he goes to actually talk with Iran - will he actually show up?

Interesting Bee... Always wanting it both ways

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disgusted — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:28:01 GMT

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Frank G. — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:31:33 GMT

OBAMA'S HOPEFUND ? Show me where the money was spent ?$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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ace p washington, d.c. — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:32:00 GMT

can some one please bring me up to speed? i read that full time students are allowed to vote in the caucus in iowa because they are there long enough to be considered residents as well as the fact that a large number pay taxes. it is my understanding that this is totally legal in iowa. if it isn't breaking the law and the caucus bylaws allow this why is it wrong? is it not true that all the candidates can take advantage of this bylaw and not just obama?

leaf, i have a question. this statement that you wrote about a student in illinois saying obama was using high school students to caucus in iowa. what is the source of this allegation? is it a credible source? are they talking about caucusing as volunteers or voting? where do i go to confirm this allegation? what website or media source can be used to verify this story? if it is true it is important to all of us who have yet to decide who we are going to support. How do we verify such a serious allegation?

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CitizenJ — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:32:20 GMT

I had the same question-is it possible they could particpate in the Iowa caucuses and then vote in the IL primary? Is that legal and how would anybody check?

Dot, Illinois (Sent Monday, December 03, 2007 5:15 PM)

It's not legal, but it is possible to do if you can slip by the people who keep track of voter regristration records. It's not advisable to try, though.

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Anyone But Obama — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:32:58 GMT

obama a man who sdupposedly is there to "inspire" young people to hope and character is trying to get the OUT OF STATE college students to come back to Iowa to caucus to throw the vote in his favor....WHAT!!!

Now's that's real trusttworthy and a REAL ROLE MODEL for a change to hope in this country,

That does it, Obama-ites. Your boy just lost any crediility with me and probably a lot of other voters he had hood winked with his hoopla-hope speeches.

Not voting for you now or ever, Mr. Obama Hyprocrite.

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Don, TX — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:35:02 GMT

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-12-03-poll-clinton-giuliani_N.htm
Hillary's "massive lead" tanks in newest national poll!

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Bee, NH — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:35:57 GMT

If the Iran issue was so important why did he not vote againest the bill? Was campaining for President 8 months before an election more important than being a leader on this issue? When he goes to actually talk with Iran - will he actually show up?

Interesting Bee... Always wanting it both ways .

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Why can't you put your name behind your post and stop hidding in the dark? Another way of distorting the facts.

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John M, San Diego, CA — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:36:16 GMT

Leaf, those are some pretty serious charges you're spreading, but where is the proof? Tell your friend to go to the media. Then we'll see just how much truth there is to his/her story.

As for the article, everyone else here has already pointed out that this is completely legal. Some students change their residency in college and some do not. Iowa residents are allowed to vote. End of story.

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Linda Lou — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:37:00 GMT

If I lived in Iowa, I'd be really unhappy with Mr. Obama trying to "steal" the vote and the will of the Iowa citizens by stacking the deck with out of state people bussed in to caucus.

Let Illionis decide their own election.

The politics of hope, Mr. Obama. You HOPE you can steal the vote in Iowa.

Pretty disgusting.

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For Truth — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:41:33 GMT

Imagine if Hillary bussed a bunch of college kids from her state of New York next door to New Hampshire to change the vote.

David Axelrod would have blown a gasket. So would the obama supporters.

Obama, you don't play fair while acting to holier than thou.

That's what we call a HYPROCRITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And forget about out usual tactic of trying to wiggle out of your disgusting behavior by saying Hillary and the other candidates did it too.

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Dave, Tn — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:42:17 GMT

On the NIE. If they're wrong can we dig out all the ones that said they were still working on nukes, and prove how the NYT and DeMyopicRats cherry picked the info they wanted? Just asking :-)

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CitizenJ — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:42:21 GMT

Looked into it further...it happens more than you think - most of the time unintentionally (people sending in absentee ballots, forgetting, then voting in person).

Check out this link for more info:

http://www.slate.com/id/2108807/

Synopsis: Intentionally voting twice is a third-degree felony in most states (not sure which ones), and violates federal election-fraud laws. Punishable by 5-10 years in prison and fine of $5,000 to $10,000.

In sum, I wouldn't advise it.

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--NSMSNBC — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:44:26 GMT

No, Carrie, I don't think they can vote twice. Our country believes strongly in one person, one vote. Do some people do it, I'm sure. Do most people, I doubt it. One vote just isn't worth all that much for all the riggemeroll (somebody help with the spelling). Makes me support some minimum standards to demonstrate voting eligibility.

I know that in Minnesota, it is legal to vote in our elections going to school here, even though their legal residence is elsewhere. I guess those students do pay some taxes or tuition at the very least into the economy. So, I don't think it's new to this caucus, and I do think it's lawful. It can, however, be given the appearance of being shady, and that is what will harm Obama most in the issue.

Bee: I would assume that the students could legally skip the Iowa caucuses and do a write-in ballot for *name state here* primaries.

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CitizenJ — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:47:52 GMT

There you go, Obama...play the race card..put in in CIVIL RIGHTS terms.

If Hillary had said that, every news media and no doubt led by crackpot, woman hating, multimillionaire Chris Matthew would be shouting and screaming at her.
The Obama camaign, Obama himself would be frothing at the mouth if Hillary had said such a thing...

No, I'm wrong...Saint Obama would be playing the pious holier than thou card he plays sdo well.

Shame on the Obama campaign for trying to pull such a stunt on the Iowa voters.

disgusted (Sent Monday, December 03, 2007 5:28 PM)

If you understood what you just said, you would be embarassed. Lucky for you, you probably don't. "Civil rights" is not simply a "race card". Civil rights encompasses privacy, gender, sexual orientation, VOTING, etc. You are exposing your ignorance the more you post, and you are giving us more reasons why nobody should take you seriously.

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Don, TX — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:52:54 GMT

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/02/opinion/02rich.html?em&ex=1196830800&en=5ead4c3bdc272622&ei=5087%0A
"Who's Afraid of Barack Obama" NY Times, an honest and insightful look at a candidate the Clintons fear.

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Shaun, Hanover, NH — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:53:36 GMT

I find it perplexing that people in this thread are so upset by this. College students are in a postion where they live full time in the state where they go to school. Going home for Christmas break is like any other citizen going to visit relatives out of state for the holidays and then returning to Iowa in time for the caucus. They are caucusing in the state where they live!

As for the questions of voting in two primaries: No, you cannot do that. You chose one where you want to vote. Voting in two primaries is a violation of federal election law. Iowa students caucusing in Iowa make a decision to caucus there instead of the state where their parents live.

And to Leaf: Those are some baseless accusations you are making. Let's review: To vote in Iowa, you have to prove domicile. The way college students do that is they get an affidavit from their college that confirms they live in Iowa most of the year. High school students from another state simply could not do that. Most likely, high school students from IL were asked if they wanted to volunteer with the campaign (doing GOTV, etc.), not caucusing. This is a standard practice that all campaigns do to get volunteers.

The bigger points are that this is totally legal, completely above the table, and ALL of the campaigns do it. The real hypocrite here is Hillary for criticizing Obama supporters for doing the same thing many of her supporters are doing.

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Hertbert NH — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:54:01 GMT

There are a lot of things in this country that are "so called LEGAL but morally bankrupt.

I'm sickened by those trying to sleeze their way out of this Obama trying to fix the caucus by saying...well it is after all legal.

I agree with who ever said that if Hillary did the same thing with New York kids in New Hampshire it sure as heck wouldn't be legal to Obama supporters them or to New Hampshire voters.

Don't even think of doing that stuff, Obama or even Hillary here. We are tougher than the Iowans.

Won't work Obama supporters. Your candidate got caught.

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Sierra, SF — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:55:53 GMT

From The Caucus
NYT political blog:

'...December 2, 2007, 4:17 pm
An Attack, From the Candidate’s Mouth
By Patrick Healy

CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa – At a news conference here just now, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton expanded her attacks on Senator Barack Obama by suggesting that he has a character issue because of his assertions that his health insurance plan covers all Americans (which she disputes) and because his old political action committee spread around money in early presidential nominating states.
Asked if Mr. Obama had a character problem, Mrs. Clinton first said it was up for voters to determine, but then added:
“It’s beginning to look a lot like that – it really is, where we can’t get a straight answer on health care, where somebody runs on ethics and not taking money from certain people is found to have at least skirted if not violated F.E.C. rules and to use lobbyists and Pac money to do so. You’re going to have ask the Obama campaign, but I have said for months that I would much rather be attacking Republicans and attacking problems of our country because ultimately that’s what I want to do as president.....'

What's your staight answer on Social Security taxes ?
What's your straight answer on war with Iran ?
What's your straight answer on Norman Hsu ?
Why did you take $ 850,000 from him without investigating his background ?
Isn't it hypocritical to criticism Obama on campaign finances when you're so corrupt ?
Does that show a 'character flaw' ?

What's your staright answer on being the 'face of foreign policy' in the Clinton administration ?
Are you 'truth challenged' about that ?

'...“But I have been for months on the receiving end of rather consistent attacks – well now the fun part starts,” Mrs. Clinton said, punctuating the word “fun.” “We’re into the last month, and we’re going to start drawing the contrasts, because I want every Iowans to have accurate information when they make their decisions.”
We’re about to take off from Cedar Rapids so an Obama campaign statement will have to wait. But here’s what Mr. Obama had to say earlier about Clinton campaign attacks on him:
“I think that folks from some of the other campaigns are reading the polls and starting to get stressed and issuing a whole range of outlandish accusations,” he said at a Des Moines news conference....'

You said it, baby !!
Slick Hilly, what about the Norman Hsu donations ?
Did you REALLY GIVE ALL THE MONEY BACK ?
Didn't you campaign shenanigans show a 'character issue', Hillary ?
Did you ever give back the money you swindled out of investors at Whitewater ?
Did you EVER APOLOGIZE ??

Are you getting rattled because you're no longer the front runner ?

Hillary Clinton, cold, calculating, dishonest, unethical

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Matthew Bartholomaus, Saint Paul, Minn. — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:57:50 GMT

I am, and have always been, a resident of the State of Minnesota. In 1996, and again in 1998, I voted in Madison, WI, while I was attending the University of WIsconsin-Madison. By Hillary's (and her supporters') logic, that vote was illegal.

Should I be punished for a federal crime, even though the state allowed same day registration?

Please, let's see some truth out there, instead of simple campaign talking points. People are smarter than just a one-liner or buzz phrase.

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shayla bakersfield ca — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:02:36 GMT

People, what the Obama campaign is doing is something that is well known to the politically active college student. I don't understand why everyone is so up in arms about it. Also you are allowed to vote at 17 if you will be 18 by the general election...this also applies in other places. I don't think Iowans are aware of that...but they can bring money to your state pay taxes on their purchases but not caucus...what's really going on Iowa?

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Ryan, WV — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:05:39 GMT

So the Politics of Hope have become the Politics of Deception??

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jh, nyc — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:14:03 GMT

And of course he also won't mind their going home to Michigan, or California, where they're already registered, to vote in those primaries as well. He'll get two bangs for one buck. That's called corrupt, where I come from, from I'm sure he'll find a high-minded sounding way to excuse it. He's slick, that one.

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Bee — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:14:36 GMT

Folks,

Here is a good ana;ysis regarding Hillary's attack dog.

http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&brand=msnbc&vid=2ebeb193-db93-4a7c-99e2-7ef2e7b9b8c8

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Jan and Sylvia — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:18:38 GMT

I find nothing wrong with Obama's push and in fact encourage him to continue doing it. If the chief political reporter from the Des Moines paper can't see that young people voting is a GOOD thing, he should be relieved of his duties because he fails to understand what democracy and the right and power of the ballot really mean.
Mike K, Denver (Sent Monday, December 03, 2007 5:09 PM)

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I hope that reporter keeps his eyes open. We don't want drugs and alcohol served to these kids before the caucus begins. Better keep Obama away from the party kids, who knows what will happen.

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rafael tucson, az — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:21:39 GMT

you people are totally crazy how are you going to get mad at obama for doing something totally legal. I be if hillary said it you wouldn't have nothing to say.

Obama's controversial youth-vote push

Sierra, SF — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:23:26 GMT

Anyone But Obama: '...obama a man who sdupposedly is there to "inspire" young people to hope and character is trying to get the OUT OF STATE college students to come back to Iowa to caucus to throw the vote in his favor....WHAT!!...'

It's typical of the Clinton campaign to accuse others of doing what they're doing.

Think Team Hillary isn't trying to 'pack' the caucus like they packed the Las Vegas debate ?

Anybody, you're just another Clinton campaign worker posing as an independent blogger.
We already know about Mark Penn's 'astro turf' or phoney grass roots.

Nice try though.... 'I was gonna vote for Obama untils this outrage convnced me that Hillary is the messiah'.....
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah....
Honest Hillary and Norman Hsu
Honest Hillary and Peter Paul
Honest Hillary and the 'girls from UNF' (sic)
(who post as the girls from UNC ?!?)

Slick Hillie is desperate !!
Little Miss Inevitable has been transformed into Battle Axe Hillary
IT'S OVER !!! The Fat Lady is singing !!!

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Adam, Pittsburgh, PA — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:26:08 GMT

Are students suddenly not citizens? What does an Iowa student from another state care about the elections in a place where he/she *maybe* lives three months out of the year? Suggesting these students are fake Iowans is repellent, and I'm glad Obama has the "politically dumb" balls to stand up for their civil rights.

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Sierra, SF — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:28:09 GMT

Bee: '...I think we should advocate for Lincoln-Douglas kind of debate between Obama and Hillary Clinton. No 30 seconds sound bite but real debate on the issues...'

Agreed !!
But, let's restrict this to honest politicians.....

An Obama = Edwards - Bidne debate !!
That would be enlightening and insigntful

Let Hillary join the Republican-lite debates !!

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Chuck,San D. — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:37:38 GMT

'Yepsen is wrong on this. Out of state students in Iowa VOTE in Iowa because they LIVE in Iowa 9 months out of the year.'

er, if there home state is not Iowa, do they get to vote twice?
are college students that "special"?
Do their parents get to claim them as a deduction if they are living in another state?
do they get instate tution?
do they get special rights cause obama is special?

how about one vote , one person, one residence?
how about making sure they don't vote in their home state and iowa?

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Keith, San Francisco, CA — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:49:58 GMT

Whoever posted the nonsense about high school students from Illinois participating in the causcus, that's a flat out lie. Non-resident college students can vote in the county/district where they go to school (e.g., Johnston County (U of I) and Ames (ISU)). Since a high school student, can't establish that they go to school in Iowa, they wouldn't be allowed to participate.

And if you don't trust me, at least trust the Iowa Secretary of State.

http://www.sos.state.ia.us/elections/VoterInformation/CollegeStudents.html#3

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Jackie — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:12:48 GMT

I think it's great that Obama is encouraging students to participate! A lot of us feel as though we are looked down on and scoffed at by "adults" in the working world just because we happen to be in university or in our last year of high school, it's nice to know that Obama respects us, values our opinions, and takes us seriously enough to encourage us to be there.

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Lee in CA — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:25:00 GMT

jeez, people - it's just the Iowa caucus. Save the real teeth nashing for the primaries, at least.

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Ken, San Diego, CA — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:28:55 GMT

A lot of people on this blog are completely missing the point. Out of state students who do not live in Iowa year round and TYPICALLY DO NOT participate in the caucus (because they tend to vote in their home state primaries) are being told it's okay. Legally it's fine. This is a problem in as much that Iowan's DON'T like this (case in point is Yepsen's comments). So, Barack will probably get more votes from this, but if you don't think supporters of Edwards and Hillary will be geeked by this, you're wrong. More likely than not, folks who favored Edwards and/or Hillary but who were probably not going to caucus (for a variety of reasons....maybe they just didn't care enough) are NOW going to caucus. Obama might get more votes from these students, but his balance might be negative after Iowan's get pissed off. Politically, is a bit of a poor strategy. Even if he has a positive balance and wins, all the Clinton campaign (and Edwards campaign) needs to do is say that Obama didn't win Iowa with Iowan's (although I doubt Edwards will since he seems to be working with Obama the best he can to set up the VP or AG job). You honestly think Barack will get the famous bounce into New Hampshire?? Yepsen's right, Barack didn't need to do this. He already has momentum. It's just an odd move.

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Shaun, Hanover, NH — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:35:24 GMT

Hertbert NH:

I am a college student originally from out of state who goes to school in New Hampshire. I live in NH. Why can't I vote in NH?

To boot, I know many Hillary supporters who are originally from out of state that will be voting in NH, as well as Edwards supporters, Richardson supporters, Giuliani supporters, etc.

You should check your facts too: The New Hampshire legislature passed a number of bills THIS YEAR that reaffirmed student voting rights in New Hampshire, making the law even more clear that students have the right to vote in NH.

Think about it this way: After years of living in New Hampshire, I consider it my home. I spend at least 10 months out of the year here, usually more. I am simply in a unique position because, as a college student, I live in a dorm. Are you suggesting that someone who just moved to NH, but lives in a house, has more of a right to vote than I do?

Unfortunately, you seem to think that students are second class voters who don't deserve the same chance to vote (and not just in the primary, but state and local elections) simply because we live in dorms instead of houses. I'm starting to think Obama is right to cast this as a civil rights issue.

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Josh, Brooklyn, NY — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:13:47 GMT

What people are not saying here is why the heck does Iowa get to decide who the candidates are anyway?
Do we all really think that Iowa is an accurate cross-section of the population?
There's not even one large population city in either Iowa or New Hampshire, which means there is no representation of urban population whatsoever.
Why should Iowa and NH be the deciders? Why not, say, Georgia? or Washington?

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Arshad, Newburgh, NY — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:14:09 GMT

These undergraduate students are living in IOWA for years. They are driving their car with an IA driving license. A simple question people should ask themselves. If the caucus was held 15 days earlier or later when the colleges or universities are open, would these students participate in IA caucus? The answer is YES. When the date was set on 3rd January, experts like Yepsen were talking about how Obama will suffer from the votes of college students, if he can keep them somehow in IA during break or if college students are committed enough in supporting Obama that they will care to comeback during the break. So why it's wrong for Senator Obama to ask them to comeback during break and participate in caucus? These controversies are fabricated, meaningless and waste of everyone's time.

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sean bellevue, wa — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:24:49 GMT

I am highly involved with this issue through a youth-based poltiical nonprofit. This is legal to do, whether or not it's the right thing to do is debatable:

Most states allow college students to be registered either at college or at their home address. So as long as the students who live out of state don't try to register there as well then this is completely legal.

Whether or not it violates the spirit of the rule - given that many college students consider their "home" to be where their parents reside - is a personal decision each Iowa college student must make for themselves.

For any young Americans who want more information about voting and government, check out our website at www.60millionstrong.org. There isn't much there right now as we're just ramping up, but we'll be adding a lot more soon.

Thanks,
Sean Baratt
President, 60 Million Strong

We're just getting off the ground with a

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Michele, Los Angeles, CA. — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:28:40 GMT

OBAMA IS ATTTEMPTING TO STEAL THE ELECTION-THIS MUST BE THE ADVICE HE GOT FROM KARL ROVE. HIS TRUE SCAMING NATURE IS FINALLY SEEN. JUST LIKE THE REPUBLICANS IN 200 AND 2004. IOWA VOTERS NEED TO WAKE UP!!

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:30:11 GMT

Either these students are eligible to caucus or they're not. If they are, why wouldn't any candidate try to win their support and get them out on caucus night? If they aren't eligible, then the Obama campaign - and presumably others doing the same thing - are spinning wheels for no gain.

They're probably spinning wheels anyway. Can't see too many college kids - in state or out - doing this. Most states don't see them come out to simply vote in a primary or general election.

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Sarah — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 02:11:52 GMT

I'm a voter registration volunteer and have participated at numerous voter registration drives on college campuses. It is completely appropriate to give the college student a choice about whether they would like to vote in their college state or in their home state. It makes the most sense to vote in whichever state is earliest. Given that Iowa is first, it makes complete sense to recommend college students vote in Iowa.

There is absolutely nothing out of line with this.

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Milner, Philadelphia PA — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:15:54 GMT

Yeah, I went to University of Iowa, though I was from PA. Naturally, as someone who lived in Iowa most of the year, was a registered Iowa democrat, I participated in the caucuses.

This is a non-issue, happens in every state in every election.

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Jon Harding, Charlottesville, VA — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:26:24 GMT

Hillary Clinton embodies everything that is wrong with American politics today. I don't fault Obama for trying to move a few votes into Iowa. I would move Heaven and Earth to stop Hillary if I could. Democrats are completely delusional if they think she has a prayer in the general election. She doesn't. Democrats need to remember 2004, and not nominate someone who is easily despised.

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Marion — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:29:58 GMT

Before you get all warm and fuzzy about Obama. Just look at the number of illegls in Illinois. Obama supports them and bussinesses that hire them. Remember that if you are black. He is letting them have your jobs too.

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Marion — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:36:47 GMT

I don't appreciate the fact that Oprah Winfrey, and Barbara Streisland are going public about their support. This is for the election of the next PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES. This is not a popularity contest or voting for an Emmy, Golden globe or whatever. Let them do their regular jobs and let me hear from the candidates.

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Jesse, Burnsville, MN — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 04:38:10 GMT

Here are the results from a latest USA today poll. Tell me fellow Democrats, who do you think is more electable in the general election:

-Hillary Clinton (47% favorable, 50% unfavorable)
-Barack Obama (53% favorable, 33% unfavorable)

WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP!

Hillary is too damn divisive.

Obama '08

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Larry, Lafayette, Indiana — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 07:48:41 GMT

These students live in Iowa 9 months of the year, pay sales tax to Iowa on everything they buy.

But they shouldn't vote in Iowa?

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Deborah, TX — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:10:23 GMT

Surely Obama would never do anything that wasn't completely ethical (according to the press). Surely, even though he is running for president after serving half a term in the senate, he is not EGO driven (according to the press). Of course he's flawed, like all of the candidates. It's just that (when it comes to flaws) the national press corps (to date) has chosen NOT to make this a fair fight.

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Daphne, Fairbanks, Alaska — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:02:51 GMT

I have to wonder why it scares so many people that Obama is doing nothing more than encouraging the youth of this country to do what most adults are not doing...VOTE. The system is in place to keep people from voting twice. You register your voting area and that's where you vote from. Are people really that ignorant of the system?? Do everyone a favor...if you are too stupid to get it, keep your mouth shut and save us all the wasted time reading it. All of the candidates should be encouraging the youth to vote, its not about stacking the vote, its about people exercising their...yes, civil liberty.
If Obama gets on the ticket I will be voting Dem for the first time in my life. Obama '08 :)

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:28:01 GMT

No. They have to decide one or the other. I could not caucus in Iowa and vote in the then Colorado primary in 1996.
Mike K, Denver (Sent Monday, December 03, 2007 5:21 PM)

Sure you could. If the period of time between the two was great enough for you to register to vote back in CO, you absolutely could.

Say you register to vote in Iowa on January 3 with your school address. The IL primary is February 5, I believe. Depending on the IL voter registration law, you could skip right on back to IL and register to vote there as well, claiming your "home" address as your residence.

It's sneaky and it's wrong - but it can be done, and done quite easily.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:33:29 GMT

Um, Matthew? I don't see Hillary's name mentioned in this story. It is about a DSM Register reporter's opinion on the issue - not about Hillary.

But this is the same old tired song and dance that we see everyday here. Even if Hillary is not mentioned, it must be Hillary doing it - because, as we all know, Hillary is the source of all evil, and Obama is all that is good in this world.

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Sara, Cedar Rapids, Iowa — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:25:30 GMT

"Question:

Does anybody know the law on this? I always thought one had to vote from one's legal residence, so if the students are legal residents of Iowa, what would preclude them from voting in Iowa?

No. They have to decide one or the other. I could not caucus in Iowa and vote in the then Colorado primary in 1996.
Mike K, Denver (Sent Monday, December 03, 2007 5:21 PM)

Sure you could. If the period of time between the two was great enough for you to register to vote back in CO, you absolutely could.

Say you register to vote in Iowa on January 3 with your school address. The IL primary is February 5, I believe. Depending on the IL voter registration law, you could skip right on back to IL and register to vote there as well, claiming your "home" address as your residence.

It's sneaky and it's wrong - but it can be done, and done quite easily.

Carrie, Eastern Iowa"

The requirement to caucus is that you live in Iowa and will be 18 by the general election, and that you are a US citizen. How many out of state students will return to their college town and caucus is anyones guess. My guess it won't effect the outcome. Presumably Obama and Clinton will both offer free bus rides to and from Chicago suburbs, where a large percent of out of state students from University of Iowa live, or more accurately their parents live. Many "out of state" students live in Iowa City year round, but like many people they return to their parents over Christmas and thanksgiving. (Based upon the number of Illinois plates on cars, a lot of Illinois High School graduates stay in Iowa City over the summer.) Although most out of state students do live with their parents during the summer.

I doubt that many Illinois of Minnesota students will return to Iowa City for 24 hours and miss the Orange Bowl on TV to caucus, especially if it is for a perceived front runner. The attitude will be I'm not needed. Only the most dedicated supporters will return to their college town to caucus. In state students will simply caucus (if they even caucus) at their home town. I do know a young man from Alabama (both parents are MD's) who is flying back to Iowa for 2 days to caucus for Bill Richardson. He attends school in Mt. Vernon Iowa. I'm sure he is the exception not the rule.

At the University of Iowa a very large percent of out of state students (any student who starts school after graduating from a HS out of Iowa is an "Out of state student" for tuition purposes, even if they never leave the state after their first day of classes their freshman year)are already registered to vote, because of their desire to defeat an alcohol establishment referendum. They turned out in large numbers.

As far as whether a student could caucus in Iowa and vote in Illinois later, the answer is yes. As far as whether it would be illegal, is actually questionable. People claiming it to be illegal are confusing a general election with a primary (the caucus is the states equivalent) Those taking that position, are they claiming that if a person caucused in Iowa in January, was transfered to another state that had a later primary (say a May, June, or even August) that they could not vote in the primary of their new state? Of course they could.

The problem would be if someone is playing fast and lose with residency. If the student resides in Iowa during the school year, hence they are eligible to caucus, they can't later claim that they aren't residents of Iowa and also register and vote in Illinois. I doubt this will happen often, in the GOP or Democratic campaigns. But if it does they won't be prosecuted, because there will not be a public record of their voting in two primaries with conflicting claims of residency. Caucus attendance records are not public records, they belong to the political parties and they aren't publicly released, they must be purchased. Which is why the caucus polls never start with the proper target sample and are never reliable.

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ace p washington, d.c. — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:26:16 GMT

marion, why are you blaming mr. obama for the amount of illegas in illinois/ can you explain to me how he was the cause of their migration to that state? did he implement some form of legislation that lured or invited them to come to illinois? i am trying to make a decision on all the candidates. i only want reports or statements that are provable not just thoughts, ideas or rumors. i appreciate your help. thanks

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John B, Des Moines, IA — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:32:46 GMT

"There's not even one large population city in either Iowa or New Hampshire," Not true, Des Moines metro area is about equal in size to Louisville, KY and Council Bluffs is a suburb of Omaha. The Quad Cities along the Missippi of which Davenport and Bettendorf are a part is also similar in size to Louisville. And who says only urban residents get to decide who is President? So there's nothing similar in size to NYC. At least 47 other states are in the same boat. In any case Iowa doesn't decide the next president, it only plays a part in the process.

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sm, mo — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:46:09 GMT

If IL students attending school in IA for 9 months out of a year are legal residents, why are they paying out of state tution?

lol, to loyal fans, u r a genius if u have a great idea and u and ur idea are no less when its plain ol' stupid.

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ace p washington, d.c. — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:50:54 GMT

i keep seeing so many of you writing that you believe this story of stealing votes. yet, it is legal in iowa for students to vote if they have been there for a certain period of time, worked there for a duration period or have changed their residency.

since mr. obama has not violated one of these provisions or has broken not one iowa law someone please tell me what is wrong with what he is doing?

every candidate has the option of taking advantage of this same opportunity. why is he being hammered for the doing something they are all entitled to do? i don't get it.

by the way i researched the rumor that mr. obama is busing in high school students and other fraudulent students to iowa. there was no reference to this being said, planned or any student from illinois being propositioned. it is looking like this is a totally fabricated rumor.

why can't we deal with facts about the candidates? why are people making up all this trash? oh yeah, don't forget it is mrs. clinton campaign that is making an issue about this student vote thing. none of the other candidates are saying anything about it. they are probaly going to pursue the youth vote as well. i think it is a smart strategy. doesn't the youth of america count? shouldn't college students be allowed to vote? aren't they the future leaders of our country? i think they count. could it be that mr. obama's strong following with college students are a concern to the clinton campaign? i know mr. obama is concerned with mrs. clinton strong support amongst women over 50 years of age. he decided to try and win their vote. i would suggest that mrs. clinton try and win some of the student vote. that seems like it would be her best counter punch.

i think folks better not sleep on mr. edwards. he is a viable candidate as well. the media should give him some attention. he deserves it. he has some good ideas. i am still waiting to see or hear about his and mrs. clinton's plans in detail. mr. edwards has legitamate views.

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David Mahoney, Monmouth Beach, NJ — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:42:56 GMT

For a country whose youth turnout is extremely low in elections, I find it funny and ironic that the first candidate in years to actually reach out and appeal to the youth is getting criticized for establishing a strong youth backing and encouraging the youth to vote. As a college freshman, I strongly believe that politicians ignore us and don't understand our capabilities. Most of them, such as HILLARY, don't lobby to us and can care less about us because we don't vote in large numbers.
However, when finally a candidate appeals and connects to us (Obama) in such strong numbers and with such strong support, other candidates (Hillary)somehow find a problem with it and are trying to prevent the youth from voting. She is getting scared that we ACTUALLY care this time around. If it is LEGAL in Iowa for out of state students to participate in the caucus, then WHY IS IT A PROBLEM?! It is not Obama's problem! They complain that we don't vote, but when a candidate tries to get us to vote, they somehow have a problem with it. I feel that any candidate that can excite the youth about politics should be valued highly since we the youth are notorious for our apathy. I also go to school out of state and I hope that I will be able to participate in the caucus in my school's state because I will probably not be able to make it home to participate in my state's caucus. Above all, I'm sick of candidates ignoring us. OBAMA 2008!!!!

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Joe, Chicago, IL — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 02:19:18 GMT

My parents live in Oregon, and I go to school in Illinois. I am registered in Illinois. You can vote in any state where you have an address as long as you don't vote in two places in one election. Most out of state students in my school register in the state where they believe their vote will make a bigger difference.

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AA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 02:33:10 GMT

OMG!!!! ARE YOU SERIOUS???? BARACK OBAMA WANTS THESE KIDS TO VOTE FOR HIM - THAT'S....THAT'S....

common sense.

Obama 08!