Oh-eight (R): Bracewell/Giuliani problem

Al in DC — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:23:37 GMT

LMAO...the jerrys and daves of the world are always silent on their batch of knuckleheaded candidates but cant seem to wait to comment on hillary.

Oh-eight (R): Bracewell/Giuliani problem

TS, Beavercreek, Ohio — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:42:37 GMT

Attention Romney reporters doing JFK comparisons. NBC's Chris Donovan reminds folks of a lesser-quoted speech JFK made in 1960 in Salt Lake City… It might be of note that just 11 days after Senator John Kennedy gave his religion speech in Houston in September 1960, he went to Salt Lake City to give a speech at the Mormon Tabernacle in which he had a few nice things to say about Mormons. "Tonight I speak for all Americans in expressing our gratitude to the Mormon people -- for their pioneer spirit, their devotion to culture and learning, their example of industry and self-reliance. But I am particularly in their debt tonight for their successful battle to make religious liberty a living reality -- for having proven to the world that different faiths of different views could flourish harmoniously in our midst -- and for having proven to the Nation in this century that a public servant devout in his chosen faith was still capable of undiminished allegiance to our Constitution and national interest."

The public servant Kennedy referenced was Senator Reed Smoot, an apostle in the Mormon church, who had to fight a four-year challenge to the right to his Senate seat over questions of whether or not he would be loyal to his religion versus his country. He was re-elected four times. Kennedy explained: "The story of Reed Smoot symbolizes the long struggle of the Mormon people for religious liberty. They suffered persecution and exile, at the hands of Americans whose own ancestors, ironically enough, had fled here to escape the curse of intolerance. But they never faltered in their devotion to their principle of religious liberty -- not for themselves alone, but for all mankind."

-MSNBC
Posted: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:06 AM by Domenico Montanaro
Filed Under: Republicans, 2008

Maybe this ought to have had a headline?

Oh-eight (R): Bracewell/Giuliani problem

--NSMSNBC — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:49:19 GMT

"Huckabee's rise in Iowa as good news for Giuliani since anything that hurts Romney, helps Rudy."
Or maybe it's good for Huckabee, since you said he's now 2nd nationally. He can actually win this if conservatives will let him.

"Huckabee is employing an unprecedented and risky strategy to win the caucuses here: a campaign with almost no on-the-ground operation."
Which would make his win all that more impressive, no?

"He also flubbed several scripted jokes and mistakenly called Osama bin Laden ‘Saddam Hussein.’"
Other campaigns are not immune to slips of the tongue, for sure. And if you get McCain and Matthews together for an interview, something is bound to be mispoken. I'm not sure why they, in my opinion unfairly in this situation, drew attention to McCain's age.

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Dave, Tn — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:14:03 GMT

I'm still waiting on Duncan Hunter to catch fire. LMAO. Whoever ends up making the cut will be better than any choice the democrats offer just like the last two elections. Besides seeing how only 2 or 3 Republicans bother posting here on a regular basis there's no sense in wasting time talking to you people other than to point out where I think you're insane.

Oh-eight (R): Bracewell/Giuliani problem

Joe Einloth — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:18:36 GMT

Nah, Giiuliani's view were not necessarily consistent with those of his firm. Hell, put enough zeroes on the check, he'll espouse satanism and child sacrifice!

Oh-eight (R): Bracewell/Giuliani problem

Mark, Lubbock, TX — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:22:33 GMT

I'd never hear of this other speach that Kennedy gave. Very interesting. I truly wish that Kennedy really had spoken for "all Americans" as he said. Our nation would be stronger as a result, rather than divided as we see now.

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Rescue Worker — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:00:54 GMT

10 reasons NOT to vote for GIULIANI
http://nogiulianiforpresident.blogspot.com/

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R.Merrell — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:09:45 GMT

That's because other than criticizing Hillary all day, the Republicans have no agenda, no ideas, and nothing but weak Bush clone wannabee candidates for Prez. Religion, tax cuts for the wealthy, war and fear are the buzzwords for the Republican Party. Conservative, they're not. Duncan Hunter has more chance of catching fire literally than ever succeeding as a viable candidate for Prez. He's on the extreme fringe of a Party long out of step with the needs of the 21st century. He and Tancredo are more focused on building a fence with chinese steel along our southern border than innovative, new ideas to solve the myriad of problems facing the U.S. as a result of the disastrous Bush administration's last seven years in office.

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manaen — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 05:20:09 GMT

...and Bobby Kennedy received a warm welcome from a packed house when he spoke at BYU in 1968.

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Michael Satterlee, Holt, MI — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 05:15:58 GMT

One problem I have with a Mormon as president is that Mormons believe that God now authoritatively speaks through a man (the current head of the LDS church) who they consider to be a modern day "prophet" of God. The leaders of most Christian denominations - other than Roman Catholics and those which are commonly called "cults" - do not claim to possess this kind of God given authority.

That's one reason why Kennedy had to give his "Catholic speech" - to assure people that he would not take any orders from Rome. In doing so JFK proved he was not a very good Catholic. Because if he believed that the Pope really spoke from God he would certainly always obey the Pope. But the question is, "Will Mitt honestly be able to assure people that he will never take any orders from Salt Lake City?" I don't think he can honestly say such a thing. Because Mitt is a much better Mormon than JFK was a Catholic. Mitt was a very high up in his church, "Stake Leader" I think the term is. How can such a person honestly say he would disobey his "Prophet" in anything?

Mormons believe that their "Prophet" is actually infallible - at least when he claims to be speaking in his "Prophet" capacity. Of course no one other than Mormons believe this man is really a prophet of God. And we all know what great harm has been done in the past by those who have followed the nutty instructions of someone they believed was speaking with God's authority who, of course, really was not doing so. Think Jim Jones.

If a very old senile man in Salt Lake City - falsely claiming to be "God's prophet" - tells President Mitt Romney - who believes this crazy old man really is God's prophet - to fire nukes at Russia, Romney, being the good Mormon that he is, just might do it.