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Bee — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:00:57 GMT

He was so emotional, wow!! What is it about mommon that Americans are scared of?

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pat huntington ny — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:08:40 GMT

Bee, I'm not scared of Mitt being a mormon. What scares me is the hate mongering christian fundamentalist culture war fighting religious right of which he's part of, period.

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Omar, Charlotte — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:09:29 GMT

Quality speech. Now if he could only get over the flip-flopping issue...

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Carmen Colorado — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:11:35 GMT

Religion should not come into play for the people that are running for president. Look at Bush if he was anykind of Christian he would know you don't rule like a dictator. Look at all the people that have been killed because of lies, lies, oil, oil.

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airmanc5 — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:11:40 GMT

Breaking news : new poll just released showed Hilary Clinton Losing lead in SC to Obama. What will the WashingToast, and NYT report?

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Wave — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:13:02 GMT

Study up on the Mormons; then you'll (hopefully) answer your own question. Only ignorance of the faith and its origins and practices would keep an individual from thinking twice.

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Chuck,San Diego — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:14:03 GMT

Mitt came across like he's afraid to be labeled Mormon... is he planning on converting>

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Gary Schear, bozeman Montana — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:14:15 GMT

I won't vote for him for a lot of reasons but his religion is NOT one of them. It has been laughable to watch one cult call another cult a cult.

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Jon — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:14:33 GMT

It's not that people are scared of him. They are uncomfortable with the fact that he won't tell people what his religion really believes in. All we want is for him to be HONEST about his beliefs and religion. If I were a Mormon I would be upset that he's not being more upfront about his church and his status in the church. Huckabee is gaining ground because he's direct about his beliefs in the bible and Christianity. The people want that...honesty.

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Skip, New Hampshire — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:14:37 GMT

He'll flip-flop on this just like he's
flip-flopped on everything else. Just give him
a few months.
Remember...Multiple choice Mitt

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Pat Alvey, Tyler, Texas — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:15:45 GMT

BAsic Mormonism: As I am God once was, as God is I shall become. How's that? A president that one day will be God looking over his own planet.

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Uriel, Salt Lake City, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:15:45 GMT

Mormons are fanatically loyal to their leader who they claim speaks directly with Christ. Dissent from the Mormon (aka LDS) church is quashed by the leadership. So this massive influence is what concerns Americans. Not to mention if Romney becomes president he will probably have a “bat phone” to Salt Lake City in his office.

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WAK, Philadelphia — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:16:51 GMT

Bee - I think many Americans don't know much about Mormonism - fear of what they don't know, along with rumors...bad combination. I am not a Mormon, but I am neither afraid of or for them, I guess kind of neutral.
While I might not agree with Romney on religion/theology, he made some very good points today about the need for religious freedom for all faiths, and freedom FROM religious tests. Obviously a speech directly to the conservative evangelicals, no question. He may lose some seculartists, and those who are not of the "Big 3" faiths, though when he says religion and freedom go together.

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truthhurts, Austin, tx. — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:17:58 GMT

This country has manifested a culture of ignorance. Organized Religion plays on this to its benefit. Romney cannot separate himself to the extent needed for impartial decision making. He is delusional.

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Britt, Richmond, Virginia — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:18:09 GMT

If anything, in my mind his being a Mormon makes him an even stronger candidate. All the Mormons I know are outstanding individuals.

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TJ, New York — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:18:52 GMT

Anyone who can't see Romney as a good and honest man isn't worth a hill of beans. America has a chance to to elect a truly moral and capable person as president.

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Elbeau — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:18:56 GMT

Why wasn't it like the JFK speech? Because it WASN'T the JFK speech. JFK was speaking to an organized and defined group of protestant ministers who were putting their names on paper saying that they believed he couldn't help being controlled by a church that openly made political policy statements.

Romney is speaking to Americans who are scared of him because people have made them scared of his religion. He did make the same promise that JFK did, namely that he would not follow dictates of his church in his public policy, but that was the minor issue. The major issue is that people are scared of Mormonism.

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Steve, Boise, ID — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:19:21 GMT

All you have to do is look at the history of the Mormons to know they don't play well with the neighbors. I lived in SLC for 12 years and it was the happiest day of my life when I moved. They have no consideration for anyone but themselves. As far as I'm concerned the Mormon church is a corporation masking itself as a religion. As an example, in England, after the Tsanami they raised lots of money from their members. We now know (due to the fact that in England, churches must disclose their books) that none of it was sent, but kept. Who knows about what they raised in the US, since they won't disclose their books.

Not just NO on Romney, but HELL NO.

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summus, San Marcos, Texas — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:19:27 GMT

good news- the religous right have pushed Romney out and replaced them with a southerner in Huckabee. Better news- Obama is gaining on Clinton. He'll get the nomination and any Republican can beat Obama in the electoral college. Obama can't win purple states like Ohio, Florida, Iowa, or Pennsylvania.

Republicans retain the White House!!!!Forever

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rich, tx — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:19:31 GMT

I for one don't care whether he's Mormon or Jew or Presbyterian or whatever. He seems like a good person. I just want to know that he has a stance and won't waffle, but not such a stance that he's stubborn like W.

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Natalie, Tacoma WA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:19:55 GMT

This country was founded on freedom from religion. A persons moral character and behaviour matter more to me than any religion. So called christian fundamentalists or evangelicals are trying to turn this country into a theocracy. However, their hate and self righteousness toward anyone who does not believe as they do, belies their christian behavior.

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Jon, Rockford, IL — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:20:06 GMT

It was a good speech. I'd vote for him because he has the best qualifications and values.

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Thom, Idaho — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:20:08 GMT

"What scares me is the hate mongering christian fundamentalist culture war fighting religious right of which he's part of, period."
As a Mormon myself I take great exception to that statement. Perhaps you could explain yourself better instead of invoking hate-filled invective you accuse me (or my religion, anyway) of? Perhaps you would list some of your qualifications to speak definitively on what I do or do not believe? I'm sorry you've had some negative experience with some Christians, but please don't paint us all with the same brush.

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Sammy Harris, Colorado Springs, Colorado — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:20:20 GMT

Mormon family values is his greatest strength, Mormon history of denying blacks, encouraging polygamy, and subversive treatment of women will be his weakness and it won't be forgotten.

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Marc Larocque, Boston, Mass. — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:20:25 GMT

I think people just want to know about what he believes. There are a lot of crazy cults in this country and people are skeptical. In this speech, he didn't explain the religion or his beliefs at all. Furthermore, while he promoted God in the public sphere and politics of America, he decried the ideals of Allah in other governments. He justified this by saying this with one word: terrorists.

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Mule — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:21:50 GMT

It was an excellent speech for the uninformed, from a political standpoint. The problem is that people who take the time to study and read their scriptures are better informed than most, and this speech will do nothing to make them think differently about Willard's beliefs. This is why: http://www.whatismormonism.com/

While it is true that there should be no religious test administered officially, there is nothing wrong with voters considering the beliefs of the candidates. If this is wrong, or bigotry, I will be glad to take up this point with any mormon that is ready to back a scientologist or muslim for public office.

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Mike Staten, Riverdale, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:22:28 GMT

Romney was dead center - why is this an issue? It saddens me that, after such a strong case for religious freedom, religious bigotry still rears its ugly head within minutes. Has America learned nothing in 231 years?

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Dave Malyn, SLC utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:23:56 GMT

Romney had audience handpicked to clapat the right place ,unlike Kennedy who spoke to people who were hostile to him. I would like to see him in a nonscripted and set up situation.

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Daniel, Orlando, Florida — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:25:10 GMT

Exactly what this country was founded on. Way to go, Mitt. And if people still want to remain ignorant of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, then that very same ignorance provides them still no leg to stand on when questioning the Mormon church.

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Grant, New York, NY — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:25:40 GMT

If you really want to know what the Mormons believe why not try going to the source. http://www.mormon.org

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Nathan, Cortland, Illinois — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:25:48 GMT

People who say that "Mormons" are not Christians have either not studied the religion adequately from credible sources or are so blinded by their own bigotry that they refuse to accept what is plain to see. The name of his church is, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Those guys riding bikes around our country with white shirts and ties are not sharing messages about anyone other than Jesus Christ. If “Mormons” aren’t Christians then I’m not sure the Pope is Catholic.

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Marc Larocque, Boston, Mass. — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:26:21 GMT

Romney has said he will not have Muslim member of his cabinet. That's absurd.

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Meagan, Prove UT — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:27:13 GMT

It's ashame that people are quick to assume in this country. Look at the generalizations we make about the French, or Muslim, etc etc. If only people would make a point to not generalize the Mormons. We aren't out to get the world, and we aren't out to force the world to agree with us and convert, but we are there to serve our fellowmen and the Lord. I think any good Christian would say the same.

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Bob, Pascagoula — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:27:46 GMT

Sheesh! If you people don't know about MORMONS, why don't you go to the MORMONS for information! Any other source and you will get a speculative perspective....which probably won't be the true one.

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marquis — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:28:32 GMT

Huckabee raises taxes too much and thinks that imprisoned rapists are 'cleansed' once they became born again Christians. If I have to choose between a weird Mormon or a idiotic Southern Baptist- I choose the Mormon- at least he won't let rapists out of prison and raise my taxes to boot!

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Judy Baker — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:28:43 GMT

Women need to pay close attention to Romney bieng a Mormon as women are treated as second class in his religion. If he is true to his faith we could end up not being represented in the White House.

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Truth — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:30:00 GMT

Consider what mormon leaders and prophets have said, and you will see why Willard will not win:

""It is true that many of the Christian churches worship a different Jesus Christ than is worshipped by the Mormons or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." LDS Quorum of the Seventy member Bernard P. Brockbank, The Ensign, May 1977, p. 26"

""Christ was not begotten of the Holy Ghost...He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was God." Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:18"

""The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, son of the morning. Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this sprit-filled brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind." Milton R. Hunter, Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15"

It is easy to see why Willard doesn't want to discuss his faith in-depth.

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Robert Hopson, Orlando, Fl — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:30:17 GMT

Amen to Sammy Harris, Romney runs away from his religion. Yes, It was a racist organization less than 30 years ago. Come on. He did not say anything new. Same old bull. He's not that upstanding please. He is a flip flopper. Let's be real.

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Lance Erickson, Dallas, Tx — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:31:55 GMT

It was a great speech. As far as Romney detailing the tenents of his religion, I don't know what he can say that isn't said on his religion's website. I am not Baptist and as I recall, I haven't heard Huckabee detail the individual tenants of his Baptist religion. Asking that of any candidate is inappropriate. They are not spokesmen from their religion. It is shown by the fact that dingy Harry Reid is a Mormon and votes entirely different than the "religious right" to which Romney supposedly belongs, that there is no prescribed religious direction mormon political leaders must follow. Otherwise I am sure the Mormon leadership would have changed Reid's liberal positions. All-in-all...Judge the candidates on morals and other positions that are relevant to their future position

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Jay, Warsaw Indiana — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:32:23 GMT

"What is it about mommon that Americans are scared of?"

I think it's the crazy.

- Garden of Eden in Missouri
- The Golden Plates buried in a hill
- American Indians as lost tribles of Israel.

Just to name a few.

One does not have to be a theology major to understand the degree to which these claims are asinine.

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Dave, Avon, Ohio — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:32:29 GMT

I thought it was great. The religion issue should now be off of Mitt's shoulders and onto the voters. How they react will, in the end, primarily determine the speech's importance. Here's one Ohioian who hopes Mitts stays in the race long enough to make my vote count.

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John Allen, Boston, MA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:33:06 GMT

Oustanding speech. Very sincere and genuine. Mitt even got a bit emotional when discussing the principle of freedom. He's a good man, a qualified man, a polished man. He generates credibility when he speaks. He's proven in the past that he can get results and work well with others. That's the kind of leader the Republican party needs to reform itself. Mitt, you have my vote!

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Joe Albrict, New York, NY — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:33:15 GMT

Bee - If you want to know about the LDS Church (the PC name for Mormons is LDS) you should watch the South Park episode about Joseph Smith and the LDS church. It's actually a very accurate depiction. (The creators of South Park used to be Mormon)

There's alot of beliefs/doctrines of the church that are really hard to wrap your head around. Bear in mind it's a fairly new religion, founded in the 1800s... are magical seer stones placed in a hat to translate the newest book of gospel any different than a booming voice from a burning bush? Probably not, but this is the 1800s, not before recorded history.

Mostly Americans have problems with Mormons because they're ignorant about it all. Do they have some strange beliefs? Yes, but other religions do as well.

Religion shouldn't matter, but it does. I don't care that Romney is a Mormon, I wouldn't vote for him anyway. The problem is the other Americans who do care that he's a Mormon. I hate to say it but it will make a difference and he will get "swift-boated" because of it. The bottomline is, it's going to be very hard to over look his being a member of the LDS church as a whole.

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Steve, Boise, ID — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:33:32 GMT

He claims his oath of office would become his highest committment to God. He can just relegate his temple oaths to the side while he is president?

He made an oath in the mormon temple, on pain of death (symbolize by a fake slashing of his throat) that he would give all his time and talents to the "morg" church, and to do whatever his church leaders tell him to do. I know because in 1974 I went through the same temple and made the same oaths. Thankfully, I learn the truth and left.

He either lied then, or is lying now. I know which one I believe.

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Ashley — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:34:41 GMT

Why is it Mitt Romney's job to educate the entire United States about Mormonism? He is a man running for president that happens to be a Mormon. If you'd like to know more about Mormonism, research the pros and cons. We're not electing a pastor, we're electing a president.

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JSM — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:35:35 GMT

I was married to a Mormon and I looked into the church for three years. I attended several different congregations and can tell you two things about the Mormon church; it is built on massive lies and if you are not a Mormon, then Mormons look down on you. They protect their own and will do anything to undermine someone outside the church. I have a friend that married a Mormon gal and after they married, she stopped going out and didnt allow him to go out. She also got him to convert so they could be together 'always'.

Yes the Mormon church has good family values but part of those values is to consider non-Mormons inferior to them. My son is Mormon and I am fine with that. I am trying to mold him into an upstanding individual that wont look down on others due to race, religion, or anything other than what that person is as an individual. The Mormon church is a crock but that doesnt mean that Mormon people are.

I guess what I am saying is give him a chance. If he is influenced by the church, dont elect him again. The church may be built on lies but Mitt may not be.

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Scott, Lynnwood WA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:36:00 GMT

He was damned if he did, damned if he didn't. I am a Mormon, but also a Democrat, so I won't be voting for Romney, but I think he did as best as he could in this speech. The evangelicals he is trying to reach simply cannot stand Mormons, whether it is theological differences, or the fact that we compete for converts. The problem for Romney is that his basic message is that there shouldn't be a religious test for the Presidency, however that is EXACTLY what many evangelicals seem to want.

The funny thing in my mind is that one of the highest ranked Democrats in the country is a Mormon (Harry Reid, Democratic leader in the Senate) and no-one gives him a hard time about his religion. I think it specifically because there appears to be a religious litmus test in the GOP, whereas one doesn't exist in the Democratic party.

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In Polls Mitt Trusts — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:36:07 GMT

"People who say that "Mormons" are not Christians have either not studied the religion adequately from credible sources or are so blinded by their own bigotry that they refuse to accept what is plain to see."

Actually, the people that say this are the same ones that actually read and study their Bibles...this is how they come to the conclusion; for instance, the Bible clearly teaches that there is only one God, yet mormons believe in many gods. Mormons believe that Jesus Christ was a created being, like satan, while the Bible clearly states that Jesus Christ IS God. I could go on all day, but it is clearly not Christianity. It would be the first and only brand of Christianity to be polytheistic. It doesn't really matter what they call themselves, as the Bible is the final authority on what is what. This is how Evangelicals (and many others) feel, and this is why Mr. Romney's speech will do nothing to help his polling numbers.

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Phil — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:36:13 GMT

Romney did not say he would not have a Muslim member in his cabinet, what he said was that his faith should not be a qualification for his cabinet. You need to get the facts correct.

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abraham SF, CA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:36:33 GMT

As a minority wen in it cames to religion in this country, I think Mitt has the right to address the bigotry of Huck et al. I will not vote him because first e has o stand in any issue I can think of, second his pandering the right wing crazies that think me and others should go to hell. He will with us.
I think Americans are losing sight of the article 6 of the constitution (no religious test for public office), which scary bu itself.

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Salt Lake City, UT — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:38:04 GMT

And if you go to www.mormon.org, you'll get all the white washed bally-hoo. So once you're done there, check out the resources at www.exmormon.org and you can get the rest of the story.

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Black Evangelical Christian — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:38:31 GMT

Mormonism is NOT another Christian Denomination and people who think it is, need to flipping GOGGLE it. Here. Let me HELP you get started.

http://www.angelfire.com/ms/seanie/mormon/lds_racism.html

Evangelical Republicans may not have a problem with it because they have the same attitude towards People of Color as the teaching in the Book of Mormon, but Black Evangelicals will be making certain, all during the 2008 Election, if Romney gets the Republican Nod, just what Mormonism really is.

So, if people don't want to learn about it BEFORE the primary voting takes place and they nominate Mitt Romney for the Republicans candidate anyway, everyone will get a lesson on Mormonism for sure. Believe that!

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Claire, Chapel Hill, NC — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:38:47 GMT

Marc Larocque, no he didn't say that - go back and check your sources and look at everything in context. Words to live by.

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Joe Doran, Hancock, NY — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:39:59 GMT

Mr. Romney is successful, articulate and appears to be a very family oriented. I am not convinced that what he says is dependable since his position on importan issues has changed, in some cases, more than once.

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S. Mackintosh, Salt Lake City, UT — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:40:03 GMT

I keep reading the comments of people, who claim
that Mormons aren't Christians and that
Mormonism is some kind of a "cult". I can't
believe that so many people speak out so loudly
about something that they obviously have not
studied or become remotely familiar with. I wish
all of these ANGRY people would figure out what
it really is that they are so angry about and
stop speaking out about Mormonism before they
have the facts or the education about the
religion. There is nothing intelligent about
speaking out about something that you obviously
know nothing about! Read up! There is plenty
of information out there.
about what they are

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Andrew, Las Vegas, NV — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:40:10 GMT

Mormon politicians have a direct line back to Salt Lace City? Then either Senator Hatch (R-Utah) or Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nevada) must have the wrong number, because they couldn't be any more different politically.

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BG, MA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:40:21 GMT

I read this board and am afraid for our country. Most of you have no idea what you're talking about. To those who do, thank God for you.

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Steve, Boise, ID — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:40:39 GMT

If you want to know what Mitt won't tell you about mormonism go here. http://www.exmormon.org/tract2.htm

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Daryl Flosi, Springfield, VA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:41:40 GMT

Our constitution guarantees a separation of church and state. What a wonderful concept. All you have to do is look to other places in this world to see that it's not such a bad idea. As such, why is religion being dragged into this political debate to start with. I don't care what his religion is....I care about his leadership qualities and what he offers to solve the problems of this country.

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Dave — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:42:38 GMT

"Mormon family values is his greatest strength, Mormon history of denying blacks, encouraging polygamy, and subversive treatment of women will be his weakness and it won't be forgotten."

Every religion has a past that is unsavory in the present. (Like the Catholic preists accepting payment for forgivness of sins, or religious witch hunting in Salem, Mass.)

If you want to know how the LDS church stands on blacks, ask a black Mormon. If you want to know if they oppress women, as a Mormon woman. (Also, the LDS church did away with polygomy for almost 100 years now.)

If you really want to know what Mitt Romney believes, do the work. Study it for yourself. Ask Mormon's around you. Guaranteed there is a Mormon congregation near you meeting every Sunday. Go, Ask, Learn.

Don't point fingers at Mitt Romney because of your lack of due diligence.

Bottom line, religion aside, do you think he'd make a good president?

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pat huntington ny — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:42:39 GMT

As a Mormon myself I take great exception to that statement. Perhaps you could explain yourself better instead of invoking hate-filled invective you accuse me (or my religion, anyway) of? Perhaps you would list some of your qualifications to speak definitively on what I do or do not believe? I'm sorry you've had some negative experience with some Christians, but please don't paint us all with the same brush.
Thom, Idaho (Sent Thursday, December 06, 2007 11:20 AM)

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If you read my post carefully, I was not condemning the entire Mormon religion! I was condemning this man who's part of the religious crazed culture war, trying to dump his views and so called family values on all of us. For example, his views on marriage, gay rights, abortion, evolution, science, etc. My post had nothing to do with the Mormon religion. I don't make it practice to belittle religions. Perhaps you should read it again.

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Salt Lake City, UT — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:42:44 GMT

I was a Mormon for over 25 years of my life. For Mitt Romney to say that being President would be his highest commitment to God and that he would serve no one religion is absurd. In the Mormon temple, Mormons make a covenant before God to sacrifice their time, their talents, their money, and even their own life if necessary for building up the kingdom of God and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Look it up folks, it's all out there to be investigated.

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Ken, Columbia,MO — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:44:45 GMT

Romney is probably a descendant (grandfather or great grandfather that had multiple wives) I doubt if he will address it just like he avoided using the word Mormon. He will be influenced by Salt Lake City LDS heirarchy.

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Matt, Columbia, Washington — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:45:19 GMT

He's all about religious freedom....as long as people are religious. So, he's trying to get his nose under the tent with Christian Fundies as a fellow ultra-conservative righty. He's a Theocrat through and through and not to be trusted.

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Ben, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:46:01 GMT

yeah, mormon.org

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matt — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:46:38 GMT

Not actually dealing with the term "Mormon:" was a mistake. That's what voters are wary of. They don't care about how religion affects his decisions; they want him to explain his "cult" more.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

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Desperate, Overland Park KS — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:46:53 GMT

ALL of the religions are ridiculous. There are good people who also go to church, but any religion that insists that their stories and fables are actual or real is a drag on humanity.

I can already hear all of the simple minded religious nuts coming out of the woodwork. So I'll temper my statement with this. Think if you had been raised in a different culture, for example Saudi Arabia, do you think you'd still be a Christian? No, you'd be a Muslim and you'd think that anyone who didn't subscribe to the teachings of the Prophet Mohammed was wrong and ridiculous.

Step outside of yourself for a second, please.

Realize that all of these books are just that books. You can't run on religion. Mitt Romney's religion thinks that the Indians were one of the lost tribes of Israel. Christianity thinks that the earth is the center of the universe, divorce is a sin condemnable by death, homosexuality is a sin condemnable by death, and that the earth is 6000 years old. Muslims think that homosexuals should also be put to death, women should have to wear scarves to cover their bodies, and that it is okay to have multiple wives.

Now again there are people within the religion (maybe even yourself) who don't believe in such foolish nonsense, but it is what the religion believes in. These beliefs are founded in unreality (I know its not a word, but not reality doesn't exist) or faith.

I don't think that deep down ANYONE really believes the hateful/ridiculous things that come out of their respectively horrendous holy books. But few people ever really read or adhere to the things that exist in their books. Which brings me to the point. Why do you need to defend something that you don't really believe in? If Mitt doesn't believe all of the kooky things in the book of Mormon then he shouldn't be a mormon. If Christians don't want to defend or even in some cases read the Bible then why be a Christian?

The answer is it is a herd mentality. Religion provides a social network for people. Further, it is a source of their identity. To cast their religion out is to cast themselves out. Thusly, they'll defend it until they are blue in the face or in some cases to the death. But why, for what, people rarely ever stop to think about why they defend something so vehemetly that they don't even know for sure.
As you can tell I'm trying to be nice. So do try in your responses to be nice as well and ask yourself, why is anything regarding one's beliefs about myths important at all.

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Cynthia Timko Boulder, Colorado — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:47:19 GMT

His speech was fine, except for one little poin that went completely overlooked: Sally Quinn made the observation that he "completely oblitered" the separation of church and state. None of the othe commentators saw fit to even respond to her. THAT disturbs me. Otherwise he could be a pantheist for all I care.

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Keena, Virginia — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:47:22 GMT

Why is religious prejudice the only form of acceptable prejudice left?

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Steve, Boise, ID — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:47:27 GMT

Bob, no you want get a true perspective. They have a saying in the mormon church "Milk before Meat", meaning they will only tell you the warm and fuzzy stuff to get you hooked before you learn the real doctrine later (like that they still believe in polygamy - they just don't practice it because its against the law, blood atonement, god was a man, etc.)

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Nathan Cleveland, Salt Lake City, UT — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:47:44 GMT

Spoken like a true president who knows history, the constitution, and his place to serve the people of the United States of America.

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Shaun McKnight, Lees Summit, Missouri — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:48:04 GMT

"Mormon history of denying blacks, encouraging polygamy, and subversive treatment of women will be his weakness and it won't be forgotten."

I am sorry, but why is this his weakness? You, as an American, belong to a country which historically segregated against blacks, did not allow women to vote, and recently had a president openly commit adultery, etc. I guess you are "weak".

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Thom, Boise — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:48:09 GMT

"Romney has said he will not have Muslim member of his cabinet. That's absurd."

Reference please? Or should I just take your word for it?

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TJ, Batatia, HO — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:48:39 GMT

Domenico -- did you get paid for counting words? Instead of a comment on the substance of the speech you give us minutia. Come on. You're supposed to be a "researcher". Do some. You're supposed to be a professional. Be one. Get informed and turn on your mind and make a substantive comment.

As for others (mule) you ought to do the same. A little bit of honest research goes a long way. If you want to know about Mormons ask a Mormon not a detractor. If you want to know about Muslims or Jews or Catholics or whatever ask somebody who holds those beliefs. Then think about the substance of what they say rather than just counting the words.

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Pete Dunn — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:49:54 GMT

@Bob, Pascagoula

Because, Bob, as a Mormon of almost 30 years I was shocked about the amount of information about my own faith I was completely ignorant about. Mormon leadership does just as Romney did today. They keep critical information from their membership so as not to tarnish their image.

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Bob, sw missouri — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:50:32 GMT

Jon--Outlining a religion's basic beliefs is not his job. Romney shouldn't have to tell anyone what his religion believes in. He should explain how his beliefs will help or influence his decisions as President, but that's all. That's what he addressed in his speech. I believe he has been honest in expressing exactly how his faith would inform his Presidency.

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Pete Dunn — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:50:52 GMT

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coleman kane — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:51:56 GMT

Frankly, I think the important comparison of Romney and Kennedy is being overlooked or ignored - the fact that both are very good looking. It worked for Kennedy, and Romney is a hunk! Shallow, maybe, but possible, yes?

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CitizenJ — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:52:34 GMT

I may be stirring somebody's pot here, but I'll say it anyway.

Being Christian, or whatever, doesn't make you a good leader by default. Nor does it make you a good person by default. What you believe in and what you do are two separate things.

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

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Sam, Mobile AL — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:52:44 GMT

I have a cousin who is, along with her entire immediate family, Mormon. When she turned 23, her LDS church warned her that she needed to hurry up and find a husband so that she would fulfill her duty to God, and they hounded her until she tried to marry someone she met online, who was from another country, who she had known for 3 months, and had never met. When that didn't work out the church was even more frustrated with her and drove her to marry ANOTHER foreign national who she knew for only ONE month. He left her, surprise!, and she moved half-way across the country to try and work off the massive debt she had acrued. Yet even when she had nothing to her name, she couldn't pay off her debt because the church in her new home was still convincing her to tithe 10% of the virtual pennies she brought home and reminded her she had let God down. I have been a Christian all my life, and always will be, but i'll be damned if I'll believe that a "church" that willing to pray on someone's insecurities has anything to teach me about values.

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V. Hill, Salem, OR — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:53:11 GMT

Over 25 years ago I read a book titled "Who Really Wrote the Book of Mormon", by H.A.Davis. It is very thought provoking and after reading it one can make their own decisions about Mormonism. Do a Google search for Who Really Wrote the Book of Mormon, and my first option came up as thedigitalvoice.com/enigma/wrw/1977DavA.htmhedigitalvoice.com/enigma/wrw/1977DavA.htm. The Holy Bible says there shall be "no supplements". Another "supplement" now appearing is something called "theophostic counseling" - another supplement. Just read the book online, "Who Really Wrote the Book of Mormon" it is all there so you don't have to leave your home or spend any money to be able to read it then you will have more understanding. For me, it raised the spectre of misleading many people from the path of Christ and taking them away from their salvation. When wives can only get to heaven, "if they are called by their husbands", and this "marriage for eternity" are too far out for me, and those are just 2 examples. I don't care what Mitt believes in for himself, but I do feel he might be unduly influenced by the hierarchy of the church, in a similar manner to what George Bush has done in his fanatical "religious" positions. The fact he can not be a true follower of Christ is around us every day in the way he lives his life and governs "the world" with radicalism and arrogance. Christ cared about people, George Bush does not. Romney probably actually cares more about people than GB, but who would really be governing? He is in a position of governance in the LDS church.

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Elbeau - Austin, TX — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:53:14 GMT

"Let me assure you that no authorities of my church, or of any other church for that matter, will ever exert influence on presidential decisions. Their authority is theirs, within the province of church affairs, and it ends where the affairs of the nation begin." - Mitt Romney today

Is this too ambiguous for you? geesh...this is just a blog full of people who had already made up their minds.

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Aaron Hutchins, Northborough, MA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:53:16 GMT

As a fellow Mormon, I'll be honest and say that Mitt should have made this speech months ago. Making it now gives the appearance that he is pandering to the Christian vote because Huckabee is now even with him in Iowa.

On the other hand, that such a speech should even be required of Mitt is pathetic. The Mormons hosted and ran the 2002 Olympics. What happened then that showed how wrong it was for Mormons to be in charge of something? As far as I know, a huge defecit was turned into a profit and everyone (non-Mormon included) had a "normal" olympic experience. How has Harry Reid, Senate Majority Leader, ruined the Senate by his being a Mormon? How have the Marriots (hotel chain owners) affected anyone by being Mormons? How did Steve Young ruin the NFL or ESPN by being a Mormon? The secretary of Agriculture under Eisenhower was a Mormon. What did he ruin? The founder of Jet Blue is a Mormon. How has he ruined Jet Blue?

Mormons live and let live. Do we have opinions? Sure. But when placed in positions of leadership and responsibility for others, not of our faith, we do not force our faith on others, or make judgments strictly in adherance with our faith. Were that the case, the Marriot hotel chain would not offer porn on their televisions or allow for the consumption of alcohol and tobacco on their premises. I defy anyone to illustrate where a Mormon has been the wrong choice for a leadership post simply because of what he/she believed.

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Doug Mourer — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:53:33 GMT

How can anyone take Mormonism seriously? Isn't its church suppossedly there to receive the faithfull and fallen; to be inclusive not exclusive? Try going into the TEMPLE in Salt Lake City without your Mormon card and you will shown the door to the Bank of Zion to make a deposit!

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Jason, The Colony, TX — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:53:54 GMT

The problem is people like Land who represents the Southern Baptists who present at the speach who when asked if Mormons are Christian point blank said no. Its one thing for the leader to say he doesn't agree with something, its another to lie blatantly to the people about such a fact. If the definition of Christian is believing in Christ as the Savior, I would say Mormons or the real name not the nickname of "Mormon" originally given to Latter-Day Saints as derogatory "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints" is a pretty telling feature that they believe in Christ. People, please get your facts straight about Latter-Day Saints before you say something that illustrates your ignorance.

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Kim, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:53:54 GMT

If Mitt were running for the National Pastor then I guess he should answer questions concerning his faith as it would pertain to that posistion. He is running for the political position of President therefore, shouldn't his questions be based on those aspects of his ability to be President. If you want to know about the Mormon Church perhaps you can look elsewhere other than the one candidate for President. Goto www.lds.org, www.mormon.org to ge the details on Mitt's religion.

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Bill, Arlington, VA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:55:01 GMT

Mormon beliefs are worth scrutinizing. I wouldn't consider them mainstream at all. They were founded by a con-artist who had a rap sheet a mile long. Their beliefs have pretty much been refuted by accurate historical records. CLDS was deemed a cult by the Federal Government until they raised enough money and hired enough attorneys to tell the Govt. to buzz off. Just like Scientology.

Read Under the Banner of Heaven by Jon Krakauer. Excellent history of the CLDS and its checkered past. They also don't want to mention that there's something close to 100K polygamists out there that aren't paying taxes and have the lay of the land in Utah.

Between Mitt's flip-flopping and this issue, it will be difficult for Romney to move forward I think. I don't think you can compare JFK's Catholic beliefs to Romney's Mormon beliefs.

Do your research.

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Gazz Adermind — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:55:17 GMT

I was raised in the mormon church, but once I objectively researched it -I had to leave. I think the startling lack of skeptisism a mormon has to possess is disturbing given how recent the religion is, and the data available that can fallsify it. I would be afraid of any President who counts to much on faith (see GWB), faith and reason are incompatible concepts. We need a rational and realistic mind running our government, not someone who will veto stem cell research for example because of dogma and conjecture.

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Jack, Dallas, TX — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:57:18 GMT

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Don Novello — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:57:26 GMT

Very intolerant religion. Does not recognize any church other than its own. Also thinks that God takes the form a human, as does Jesus. What size suits would you say they wore? I think that God would shop in a Big Man's store. Jesus, well he's kind of skinny, we might have trouble fitting him without taking the waist in. And what about Mormons' insistence that the Jesus is coming again but he this time he's landing in St. Louis. Why St. Louis? I personally know that Jesus loves more arid climates and would prefer coming back in Santa Fe. Does Mitty have a problem agreeing to this change for my vote? Probably.

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Joseph, Salt Lake City, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:57:40 GMT

I am a Catholic that has lived in Salt Lake City Utah for about 8 years. I will tell you without question that every significant decision made by state government is dictated by the Morman church. If you believe that this specific faith will not dictate Romney's decisions, you are not familiar with this religion.
If the Morman's want to become mainstream they need to open up the faith for observation, and therefore judgement by as a true faith. This is the only way not to be considered a cult.
If anyone wants to truly know about the church don't go the Morman sponsored websites. I encourage you to go to those that discuss the rituals that take place in the temples. No non-member can enter. For that only memebers who have paid their correct tithing can enter.
Do a search for "Morman temple ceremony", if you want to really learn more

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Becca Paul NYC NY — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:58:04 GMT

Mitt's eyes look vacant. He seems cold and with out a soul, robotic if you will. How can a conservative republican be elected governor of Massachusetts? How can he be a Mormon, yet have been pro-choice? This guy is a phony and a hypocrite. He seems to like to hear himself talk an awful lot as well.

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Francine Bahr, Denver, CO — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:05:49 GMT

This speech has taken America nowhere, with respect to resolving the existing Mormon question. It is no longer 1960, today's politicians lead the discussion with their bibles as their guides. We've allowed that to happen, and rightly or wrongly, Americans relate to their politicians according to their spiritual beliefs. By and large, Americans lack the same relationship and/or understanding of the Book of Mormon, along with the other LDS scriptures and therefore cannot gauge the moral similarity or dissimilarity between themselves and Romney. Until Americans recognize the religious value of Mormonism this issue will persist. Accordingly those that reject Romney on the basis of his faith have no reason to reverse their thinking based on Romney's speech.

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Brian, Bend, Oregon — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:05:51 GMT

Please do not compare this to JFK's speech. JFK was trying to tell the public in the GENERAL election that his religion wouldn't affect his decision making process. This speech was to convince Evangelical voters in a PRIMARY that he WILL let his religion affect his decisions, but that they will be affected in the same way as if he were an evangelical Christian.

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David L. Nampa, Idaho — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:06:40 GMT

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the same church that has been from ADAM, and all the other Prophets thru the Old Testament and and the New Testament with the organization that CHRIST organized. This is the first presidency (Peter, James & John) the the Twelve Apostles & Prophets. This is the same Church that Mitt Romney is a member of.

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R.Merrell — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:06:54 GMT

Do we really need this constant barrage of religion in politics? There is no evidence that any candidate for president, past or present, has ever based their actions and decisions on their religious beliefs. Rather, they do what is politically expedient at the moment. Religion has no place in politics. It's the ultimate wedge issue for politicians bereft of ideas and statesmanship. GW Bush is the poster child for touting his belief in the "Almighty' while making a mockery of compassion and humanity. He lies, he tortures, he's committed the U.S. to an endless war. Romney can't unequivically condemn and deny torture. He's talked about attacking Iran. He's pro-life one day, against it the next. Religion is nothing but an ongoing campaign tool for politicians, the current crowd included. They're all televangelists dressed up as candidates for president. None of this nonsense occurs in local elections for city councils, mayors, judges, governors etc. Why do we have to put up with it in national elections?

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John Doe, Seattle, Wash — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:06:57 GMT

Who care?

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Independant voter — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:09:46 GMT

Phil, you are wrong. He said that the percentage of Muslims in this country would not justify having a Muslim as a higher cabinet member. That is a religious test. You need to get your facts straight. Try googling his speech to get his exact words.

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MBW, Tempe AZ — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:10:41 GMT

What's bad about Romney isn't his religion. It's the fact that he changes what he says depending on the audience.

Face it: EITHER HE LIED TO THE PEOPLE OF MASS. ABOUT HIS VIEWS OR HE"S LYING TO US NOW One or the other.

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Amanda, Salt Lake City, UT — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:11:15 GMT

I feel frustrated to hear people say that as a member of the Mormon faith Romney will put orders from the church leaders above the needs and laws of the U.S. One of the basic principles of the church, which is taught as young as 6 years old states "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." This is Article of Faith 12, of 13.

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let them speak for themselves — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:11:20 GMT

Joseph Smith made a false prophecy (one of several).
". . .I prophesy in the name of the Lord God of Israel, unless the United States redress the wrongs committed upon the Saints in the state of Missouri and punish the crimes committed by her officers that in a few years the government will be utterly overthrown and wasted, and there will not be so much as a potsherd left . . . "

(History of the Church, Vol. 5, p. 394.)

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Andrew, Las Vegas, NV — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:12:03 GMT

They have a saying in the mormon church "Milk before Meat" -Steve, Boise, ID (Sent Thursday, December 06, 2007 11:47 AM)
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Actually that comes from the New Testament. 1 Cor 3:2

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Gary Schear, bozeman Montana — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:12:21 GMT

Jay, Warsaw Indiana- "One does not have to be a theology major to understand the degree to which these claims are asinine."

Jay- I agree. Here are some more.
Water to Wine.
multiplying fishes and loaves.
raising Lazeras from the dead.
Virgin birth.
Walking on water.

How about some old school?
Creation in 7 days.
6000 year old earth.
Woman created from mans rib.
Talking snakes.
Burning bushes.
Parting the red sea.

Lets go secular.
Santa clause
Tooth Fairy
Easter Bunny
Ghosts
Witches
Leprechans

And a partridge in a pair treeeee! (actually that one is possible)

You can sit there with a straight face and bash the ridiculous claims of someone else's delusions while demanding government recognition and access to public schools for your own ridiculous delusions?

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jsm — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:12:34 GMT

Here is another version of the LDS church from a member who learned the truth about the church and its lies.

http://home.teleport.com/~packham/whylft.htm

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Sanity Check — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:14:57 GMT

Thank you "In Polls Mitt Trusts" for proving the very point you tried to counter. You've obviously never studied our religion adequately from credible sources.

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Mike, Cleveland OH — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:17:08 GMT

Romney seems like a good man. I don't care what his religion is. That alone is not enough of a reason t vote for him though.

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David Larsen, Port Washington, WI — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:17:30 GMT

I thought the speech was great. Mitt Romney is an outstanding person who has been successful in about everything he has ever done in his life. I am convinced that he would be greatly successful as a our next President, as well. I think his success has a lot to do with his dedication to God, his family, and his country--values that all Americans can respect.
I am a Mormon, also, but that's not why I'm voting for Mitt. I lived in Mass. when he was elected governor and I just think he did an excellent job of turning around that state's financial and organizational problems and was an outstanding example of standing up for conservative principles.
Those who are concerned about what Mormons believe (you need not be) should see www.mormon.org, www.lds.org, or www.fairlds.org.

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allama — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:18:10 GMT

Hell with Christians and Mormons, I want a Muslim Black president :)

Obama !

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Tappy McWidestance, Minneapolis International Airport — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:18:15 GMT

In an America that really believed in the separation of church and state, Romney would not have to answer questions about his faith. But America, especially the Republican primary voter, doesn't believe in separation. The stated goals of the Christian conservative movement is to turn America into a theocracy with one rule under Jesus. Why do you think every Republican sucks up to the supposed Christian leadership? If you want the Republican nomination, you have to bow down to James Dobson, Pat Robertson, etc or you will not win the primary.

Personally I don't care that Mitt is a Mormon. There are plenty of other reasons to doubt his fitness to be President. His legendary flip flops on every social issue makes it hard to pin down what he really believes. His "I didn't raise taxes" statements ring hollow when you realize he did raise every fee he could. When you are paying more for government services, it is a tax increase. Calling it a "fee" still means more $$$ out of your pocket.

The Mitt campaign is going to be in deep trouble if they lose Iowa and New Hampshire. He has dedicated more resources to these two states than any other candidate only to see his lead evaporate. It seems like the more people get to know Mitt, the more they like somebody else.

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Willard believes this? — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:18:35 GMT

From Brigham Young in Journal of Discourses, 1:51 it says; “…When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about whom holy men have written and spoken—HE is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do.”

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Chris, VA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:19:16 GMT

I'm not as concerned with Romney being Mormon (although I do not have a positive view of the LDS church), I am more concerned that he comes accross as a waffler. I don't hear very many direct answers coming from him. He too often, in my opinion, dodges the question or flat out won't answer a direct question. I don't like some of what Huckabee stands for policy wise, but at least he will offer an answer to a direct question.

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Michael, Atlanta, GA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:19:50 GMT

What are Americans afraid of? Mormonism is a cult. That's what they're afraid of. They're afraid a member of a cult will become president.

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Chad, Mesa Arizona — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:20:37 GMT

Just go to www.mormon.org if you really want to know what the religion believes.

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JL, Texas — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:23:05 GMT

Counting the number of time he said "mormon" -- this is considered to be an anaylsis?

Perhaps the article should note that historically beging referred to as "mormon" was consider by those in the LDS church to be something of a slur. I think that has faded over many years, but back in the early 1990s the LDS leadership did issue a statement asking it's members to refer to themselves as LDS - rather than "mormon". I was a bit surprise Mr. Romney used the word at all - I would have exepected him to say LDS or "latter day saints."

BTW - I was raised in Salt Lake, but am not LDS. And, more to the immediate question, I wouldn't hesitate to vote for Mr. Romney.

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lumper — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:23:35 GMT

Joseph Smith says "you must lump it."

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 363 quote Joseph Smith as follows; “I shall leave my brethren to enlarge on this subject; it is my duty to teach the doctrine. I would teach it more fully—the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. God is not willing to let me gratify you; but I must teach the Elders, and they should teach you. God made Aaron to be the mouthpiece for the children of Israel, and He will make me be god to you in His stead, and the Elders to be mouth for me; and if you don't like it, you must lump it.”

I anxiously await one of the pundits or sycophants to ask Mitt about lumping it.

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Mark, Los Angeles, CA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:23:48 GMT

It makes me uncomfortable when politicians like Romney or Huckabee make statements about believing every word the Bible says literally, because it indicates an ability to hold the realities of the "real" world at bay - something we've seen lately in the White House. Whether Mormon or Evangelical, Catholic or whatever, if they deny the empirical world it scares me.

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Anonymous — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:25:40 GMT

I'll second Pat's comments: "Bee, I'm not scared of Mitt being a Mormon. What scares me is the hate mongering Christian fundamentalist culture war fighting religious right of which he's part of, period."

Are you guys aware of how women are viewed in Mormonism?

See: http://www.exmormon.org/mormwomn.htm

Also, their "guidance sessions" are a bit frightening in the sense that the current prophet is speaking for god and quite literally telling people what to do - things from having more than one earring to drinking tea or coffee.

See: http://www.mormonwiki.com/General_Conference

This is a short except from mormonwiki:
"This is the purpose of General Conference to be able to hear the words of a prophet and those the Lord has called to lead His Church. Conference also provides a time for the members of the Church to receive guidance and revelation from God directed to that particular time. Elder Paul V. Johnson further exhorted members to,

Decide now to make general conference a priority in your life. Decide to listen carefully and follow the teachings that are given. Listen to or read the talks more than once to better understand and follow the counsel. By doing these things, the gates of hell will not prevail against you, the powers of darkness will be dispersed from before you, and the heavens will shake for your good (Ibid.)."

Probably what disturbs me the most about the Mormon religion is how they take young boys (and yes, only boys), send them all across the country at age 18 and have them recruit for the religion. Why is it that they feel the need to stand in public places and lour people into a religious discussions only to tell them that their way is the pure way?

I admit my cited resources are internet sites but please do your own research – don’t just take my word for it. I’m also not discounting that other religions are frightening. I am saying that I think Mormons spend the greatest amount of time pushing their product. I believe in God as a very spiritual person but as Pat said, I refuse to take part in iny hate mongering religious fundamentalist culture war.

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sarah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:26:40 GMT

Attention America: I'm a woman, I'm Mormon, and I'm not oppressed. (And I like Mitt.) I don't like seeing oppression of women being used as an anti-Mormon statement, 'cause I just find it a little irksome being told I'm oppressed, ya know?

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is Jack kidding us? — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:27:16 GMT

"Thank you for demonstrating your ignorance. It is great to see another person who really hasn't truly studied the beliefs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. If you had, you would know what you are saying isn't what it believed, and you are just trying to manipulate some beliefs to meat your own perogative."

Jack, are you honestly telling me that mormon prophets have not taught that God came from a father and mother, and that he began as a man that worked His way to Godhood? I'll be glad to quote your 'prophets' and leaders on this, with footnotes, if you like?

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ag, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:27:23 GMT

I'm from Utah and although not Mormon, I've been around it long enough to not be scared of it. Sure, it's weird but what religion isn't. There was a time I would consider voting for Mitt because I think he's a very capable guy. However, after watching him prostitute himself for the religious right, I've lost all respect for him. He was done the minute he decided to pander to these people - they only liked him until a better choice came along. He's in a no-win position trying to explain religious freedom to a group that doesn't believe in it but he made his bed and now he's got to sleep in it.

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Sam King, Chandler AZ — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:27:31 GMT

"Romney has said he will not have Muslim member of his cabinet. That's absurd. " You obviously only read that headline from the media. The story is that he was asked if he would have a muslim member in his cabinet and he replied to the effect of saying that religion won't be a qualifier for that post. Stop twisting things people--how can you claim to be better than politicians when you can't even be truthful or honest in your own reporting.

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Lawrence Dallas TX — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:28:04 GMT

Mitt Romney is the biggest con man and fake I have ever seen. He will contort himself into any and all positions necessary in order to garner favor and votes, throwing his convictions under any bus that comes along. It's also completely hypocritical to say that the Presidency is not guided by one's religious beliefs, when George W. Bush has been using his Hotline To Jesus to justify everything from going to war with Iraq to thwarting stem cell research. If religion plays no part in the day to day administration of White House affairs, then why do the Republicans bend over backwards to cater to the edicts, whims, and wishes of ignorant Bible-thumping evangelical yahoos? If we're expected to shrug off the specifics of the Mormon "religion" so cavalierly, then are we willing to do the same whenever a Wiccan, Muslim, or Scientologist decides to make a run for the highest office in the land? I seriously doubt it. Frankly, I feel Mitt Romney is the scariest thing to come along the political highway since the corporate anti-Christ character Damien Thorne in the movie "The Omen." He is devoid of real conviction, cosmetically polished and perfected to the point of being a Hollywood creation, and I think he is simply trying to buy the Presidency because he has already used his vast fortune to purchase everything else but the White House.

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Albert Marrero Granada Hills California — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:28:27 GMT

I believed that Americans were past religious bigotry. I guess not. I am a Mormon but I am supporting Huckabee. His being a Baptist makes no difference to me. I like his compasionate conservative approachl.

Definition of a cult...whatever you believe that I don't and whatever will sell more books. Christ never called himself a Christian. Are we Christians then a Jewish cult?

Latter Day Saint for Huck.

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Ann Partridge Flint Mi — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:29:31 GMT

Mitt's strong belief in God and Jesus Christ says it all !!!!
One other thing. WHY IS NO OTHER CANDIDATES RELIGION A BIG THING?
Mitt does not bring it up, so why does the media?

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Sara, Phoenix, Arizona — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:29:34 GMT

Romney is in an impossible situation on this issue. If he gets into detail and explains the tenants of his religion, it will appear that he is trying to convert the American people. Moreover, he will invite theological debate into his candidacy which is exactly what he shouldn't do. If someone really wants to know what it means to be a mormon, there are more than enough places they can look. What they and I needed to hear from Romney was that he wlll not be influenced by the Mormon leadership. End of discussion.

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Charles — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:29:45 GMT

I am truly saddend by all the hatrid that is spewing out on this subject. There are thousands and thousands of denominations of Christian religions as well as Jewish, Muslim, Buddist ect... I don't see why people must tear down an individual for what they believe regardless of weather you agree or not. My understanding of what it means to be "Christian" is to have faith in Jesus Christ as my personal savior. I think that Mitt has stated that fact. That is good enough for me. I still don't feel that someone should base there vote for a political office on what someones faith is. I think many of us may remember many high profile Christians that have done immoral or un-christian things when given power. You should study each person running for office and see what they have done in the past. That is as good an indicator as anything else out there. If you would vote for a bad canidate because he is Christian what good does that do? Like the man that said he is mormon but democrat, and so wouldn't be voting for Romney. What is up with that? I don't care what party a person is in if they are the best suited for the job they get my vote. This is about leading our nation not winning some contest. if you "win" and put an underqualified person incharge what have you "won"? 4 years of poor leadership and a bigger mess for whoever replaces them. Please get over yourselves and for once in your life make a choice that isn't selfishly motivated. Do what is best for the nation as a whole.

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this a credible enough source for ya? — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:32:41 GMT

"Hence, the doctrine of a plurality of Gods is as prominent in the Bible as any other doctrine. It is all over the face of the Bible . . . Paul says there are Gods many and Lords many . . . but to us there is but one God--that is pertaining to us; and he is in all and through all" (History of the Church, Vol. 6, page 474). "In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it."

(Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 5).

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Blue state baby — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:34:24 GMT

How can Romney say that he will be true to the Mormon church and what it believes in and then say he will serve no one church? Already another lying Bush.

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Karen, Manti, UT — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:35:02 GMT

Are personal attacks necessary to make your points known? I'm sorry that some of you have a bad impression of the LDS faith. Millions of people belong to the LDS church and for the most part you will find the members to be good, hardworking people just like you. I understand that you are uniformed about our beliefs. If Mitt were to state Mormon Doctrine he would be attacked with everyone saying he was preaching his religion. If you want to know what he/we believe go to www.mormon.org and become an informed voter not one scared away by people who use fear,rumor and mistrust to govern their lives.

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The Bri-man, Draper, UT — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:36:03 GMT

Well i only have one regret, that is that i won't be able to vote for mitt because i'll be serving my lds mission! i get my call in a week, wish me luck!

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jeremy, boise, id — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:36:51 GMT

Anybody who criticizes Romney for his faith is merely an intolerant bigot.
Those who are posting and trying to bash the mormon's beliefs are also intolerant bigots who are also cowards, afraid to make known their own beliefs.

Every religion has unique beliefs that are very hard to believe to non-believers. The bible says that men lived thousands of years, that men lived in the stomach of a whale, or that a man separated the ocean. Catholics believe that bread literally transforms into the body of Christ. Evangelists believe that speaking jibberish means that your filled with the Holy Ghost. Protestants believe that all other religions are wrong because they somehow can interpret the bible more accurately. Mormons have beliefs that are no stranger than other christian denominations, muslims, or jewish faiths. Just different.

I find nothing but humor from seeing those who live their lives to bash the beliefs of others. They're obsessed with putting other faiths down - which says much more about the individual than about the faith.

Vote how you will - for or against Romney. But doing so based on the doctrine of his religion is just plain silly.

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Sara, Phoenix, AZ — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:38:06 GMT

"Actually, the people that say this are the same ones that actually read and study their Bibles...this is how they come to the conclusion; for instance, the Bible clearly teaches that there is only one God, yet mormons believe in many gods. Mormons believe that Jesus Christ was a created being, like satan, while the Bible clearly states that Jesus Christ IS God. I could go on all day, but it is clearly not Christianity. It would be the first and only brand of Christianity to be polytheistic. It doesn't really matter what they call themselves, as the Bible is the final authority on what is what. This is how Evangelicals (and many others) feel, and this is why Mr. Romney's speech will do nothing to help his polling numbers."

You could not be more wrong about this. Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God and that he (Jesus) is the God of this world and the God that is referred to in the Bible. This type of theological debates gets us nowhere. And even if he is not a Christian, per you definition, so what. He is obviously a believer and all evidence suggests that he is good man wih a tested belief in God. Surely you are not saying that he must believe in the exact same god that you believe in. If so, good luck ever finding a candidate that you can support. Let's stop talking about his religion -- and talk about whether he is a moral man with the ability to lead the country. On that, reasonable minds will certainly disagree. But we should cast our vote on substantive issues not on emotinoal rhetoric.

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James, Kansas City, MO — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:38:58 GMT

After reading every single one of these comments posted here, it amazes me at the lack of knowledge and fair-mindedness most people possess. To begin, I'm a 20 year-old male who recently left the LDS church a little over a year ago. I did not leave for any "crazy" or "insane" reasons that so many people on here are proclaiming as part of the Mormon church. Indeed, Mormons do have some different viewpoints compared to other Christian religions, but the fact that they do believe Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world qualifies them as Christians. Period. Dot. Additionally, why have none of the other candidates' religions or moral values been questioned as much as Mitt Romney's has? I don't believe people are scared of Mormons, but rather are ignorant. Please study something before you ever pass judgment on a group of individuals or an organization. I have the highest regards for Mormons and the people that say, "they look down on anyone that isn't Mormon" are completely mistaken. Some of the most outstanding human beings in the world I have met are LDS. So please, before you post your hateful comments and proclaim to know the facts, do a serious in-depth analysis of what you proclaim to know. And for the record, my vote's going to Obama.

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John B., San Diego, CA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:38:59 GMT

It's not Romney's responsibility to explain his faith when it is concerning a political campaign. Someone on her said she wants him to be honest about his faith. What kind of honesty are you looking for? If you want honest answers about questions you have, go look for a mormon church or stop the missionaries in the streets. If you have questions concerning the presidency, ask Romney.

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Mary, SF, CA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:39:08 GMT

Romney's campaign has been well scripted from the beginning (in my opinion). I am so tired of people talking about the religious right and how we are almost required to defend our individual beliefs. I was baptized a Catholic and have tried to live a good and rightous life. An evangelical minister told me that I was not going to Heaven after death because I was not "born again". In fact, he told me that I would end up in Hell. A person's religion is private and should not be bandied about in the political theatre in order to garner certain segments of voters.

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Ellis B. Kingman, Az. — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:40:11 GMT

Natalie, I agree completly, the very first sentence of the first Amendment stipulates a seperation of church and state but allows for free practice of religion. But in America like many other parts of the world religious fundamentalist continuously seek to impose their ideology upon the masses in order to establish an ethnically pure society of like minded people...... If there is an evil upon this earth it is religion, the divisive idology that is the basis for most wars, hatred and persecution. Believing in God the (supreme entity and creator) is not sufficient for religious fundamentalist, and that is why religious ideology must never be criteria for holding public office. We must never allow a Taliban type government in America.....God forbid!

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In Polls Mitt Trusts — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:45:17 GMT

"Thank you "In Polls Mitt Trusts" for proving the very point you tried to counter. You've obviously never studied our religion adequately from credible sources."

I'm only quoting your 'prophets'; not credible enough?
Mitt made a big speech to clear the air about where he stands, and I believe we should do all that we can to help others understand where he's coming from.

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M. Dove — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:45:42 GMT

Religion or no religion is not a test of who should be president. The constitution states that we have a separation of church and state. I do not want the White House used as a pulpit again. We've had eight years of that. See what happens in other countries where the leaders are influenced by their religion in decision making and setting policy. The strong get stonger and the weak get weaker. One's religion is NOT an indication of their character or ethics. I've known a lot of very sincere and devout Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists but I don't want them leading our country as they will put the needs of this country secondary to their religion.

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Anonymous — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:46:13 GMT

Everyone's missing the point! Religion (or absense thereof) is highly personal. It should not be part of the national discourse any more that a candidate's preference for breakfast food. After eight years of leadership by an arrogant moron, this election should be about intelligence and competence.

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Mark D, Portland, OR — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:46:27 GMT

For me, this was a good reminder - not sure if this has cemented my support for Mitt, but it surely didn't diminish it. I find it interesting on these posts to see people who are so angry, so vehement about their opposition to Mormons - I find the same with critics of my faith; they are usually people who have been estranged from the church community for some reason - and they actively, actively look for every chance to villify. It's really amazing.

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Not a member, slc ut — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:47:02 GMT

I have lived in SLC Ut for over 50 years for employment reasons i cannot afford to move out of state. Mitt is a true member of the LDS faith (or as they call themseleves "saints" which makes the rest of us sinners. They are extremely personable & appear to be family oriented & kind, when actually they are secretive, sneaky, judgemental & extremely controlling. It truley is frightening. They are robots in a human body that are controlled by the leader of their church & the men believe they can become gods. I would suggest reading the book the Godmakers but if you live in utah you know you can't because it has been banned. I live here & superficially get along with them as they do me.

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Not a member, slc ut — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:47:08 GMT

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Not a member, slc ut — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:47:12 GMT

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Felix Littleton CO — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:48:32 GMT

I miss the days of my youth when asking people the details of their religious beliefs was considered bad manners. We knew in general whether a candidate went to one church or another and, with the exception of Kennedy, never pushed for more details. In Kennedy's case, the question wasn't about doctrine, though, but about whether his first loyalty would be to the country or to the Pope in Rome. Once he answered that, that was pretty much it.

I don't remember anyone asking him, for instance, about his views on transubstantiation. I don't remember any politicians being asked about whether or not they believed every word in the bible to be literally true. I don't remember people asking those kinds of questions of anyone other than intimate friends at all.

I do remember my folks, Kennedy Dems, getting along just fine with our across the street neighbors who were Nixon Republicans, and nobody demonizing anybody or letting such things interfere with a nice neighborly BBQ or cocktail party.

I remember going to school in a big midwestern city suburb and nobody objecting to our being taught science in science class. We didn't have prayer in school which was fine with everyone. That was something we could all deal with at home and in houses of worship.

We did have Christmas concerts and we Jewish kids just didn't sing the religious words like "Jesus" in the carols and they always threw in the obligatory Hanukkah song or two and that was fine with everybody, too.

Technically my family always felt religious displays on government property weren't really in keeping with the ban on promoting specific religious belief but we recognized that, with such an overwhelming Christian majority, the letter of the constitution was bound to be ignored on that score and it wasn't worth making a fuss about. We understood how sentimental and childishly excited our gentile neighbors got over the whole Christmas thing and had no wish to spoil it for them.

My Catholic neighbors, also across the street and next door to the Nixon Episcopalian Republicans, went to Catholic school, the appropriate option for those who wanted religious instruction to be part of their children's school day and something they were willing to take responsibility for and pay for themselves without whining about also contributing to the public school system.

The kids from these two families were my best friends and while we freely explained our religious traditions to each other, it was just as a matter of interest. Nobody ever told me I was going to hell because I didn't accept Jesus as my personal savior.

The result is I, as a Jewish person, have always known things like the distinction between the immaculate conception and the virgin birth and have actually found myself in the position of explaining this to friends from Christian backgrounds who have it wrong.

There were plenty of bad things about the good old days, like casual racism and tolerance for domestic abuse, but that live and let live, polite attitude toward religion and politics is something I very much miss. It gave us more of a feeling of common ground. It made it possible for a wide range of views within each of the two parties. It also made it possible to get things done in government without one party being in control of all three branches.

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Ray, Denver, CO — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:48:54 GMT

Bigotry: okay, let's go into the black Baptist churches in the country and see how many white people are sitting in the congregations. Now, let's go into the white Baptist churches and see how many black people are sitting in the congregations. Why are Baptists, both black and white, still racist? I thought we got rid of that problem decades ago.

You want some "crazy" Christian beliefs? Try these:
- the mother of Jesus got pregnant all by herself.
- Jesus revived himself from the dead after three days.
- you can buy pieces of the True Cross on eBay. In fact, there are enough pieces of the True Cross lying around to make several hundred crosses.
- we're all going to hell unless we be-LIEVE in Jesus.
- even rapists and babykillers can believe in Jesus and be saved from hell.
- heaven is a place where we'll do nothing but sing praise and worship songs until the end of time. (Sounds more like hell to me.)
- God, who supposedly makes only good stuff, created evil. He said so himself, Isaia ch 45 v 7.
- The Bible was written by the hand of God and is all literally true. No mistakes and no changes.
- The earth was created in 6000 years, and man has been on it for only 6000 years.
- Jesus' Sermon on the Mount prescribes even stricter punishments for small offenses than Islamic law.
- bread and water turn into the blood and body of God, and people eat it.

I dunno, Mormonism seems pretty harmless compared to the rest of Christianity.

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Field, Riverdale, UT — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:49:54 GMT

You know something? Outside of how it affects his politics, I don't really CARE about Romney's being LDS. I live in UT at the moment, and people here are like people anywhere else... a little more insular or conservative (relative to their values), maybe, but hey, that's just how they are. It doesn't mean that they're all that way.

Will I be voting for him, though? Not as things stand. Plant your feet on SOMETHING, man! I'm not saying to glue yourself to it, but at least stand up for it...

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Stephanie, Missouri — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:50:22 GMT

It really makes me sad to read some of these hateful comments. Does anyone remember the golden rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." You certainly don't have to agree with anything Mr. Romney believes - that's your right. If you really want to know what Mormons believe, check out www.lds.org. If I wanted to know how to become a dentist, I would go to dental school. I wouldn't go ask a car salesman. We as Americans have the right to research a candidate that we feel will best represent us. It's just disappointing to me that people, in the year 2007, can't look past someones religion to determine whether he or she is qualified to do a job.

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Irene Hill, Portland, Oregon — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:53:04 GMT

My first attempt at posting appears to have not made it. There is a book called "Who Really Wrote the Book of Mormon" that I read back in the late 70s which did a lot of explaining about Mormonism. It raises many questions and one can make their own choice after reading it. Do a Google search for the title and one of the links (the first one on my search) is actually an e-version of the book which you can read online.

Three of the questions were posed earlier by Jay from Warsaw, Indiana. A couple of others are about marriage and wives - "marriage for eternity" and wives can only get to heaven "if their husbands call them." The writer challenges people to expose Mormonism if false because they may be misleading so many from the "Christian faith". For true Mormon believers often if you ask are they Mormon or are they Christian, the answer is that they are Mormon. They have a supplement (the Book of Mormon) that supersedes the Bible in many instances.

Mitt is a leader in the LDS Church, and served as a Bishop and stake president, up to an including hearing confessions, for a period of approximately 12 years. This gave huge power and that is one reason people are concerned about the power he would translate into political office.

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Lonny — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:53:27 GMT

Romney's speech was brilliant and very JFK-esque. JFK's speech (and Romney's) was unifying and celebrating of our differences while co-existing. JFK's (and Romney's) was also bold in declaring there be no litmus test on religion. JFK (and Romney) dispelled the notion that he would be taking orders from his church leaders. Romney's speech went a bit further than JFK's declaring boldly the need to keep God in the public forum (I believe JFK did not need to do this as the fight to keep God out of the public forum was very weak in his day).

If you understand Mormonism you would know the strong patriotism that exists amongst it members. Many believe the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution to be documents inspired by God to men of faith. So we hold the tenents of our Americanism and freedoms very high. That is why Romney's speech was so patriotic as these themes run deep throughout Mormon theology.

His speech did explain well his faith on how it will apply to his presidency. That is what he promised to do. Other doctrines of mormonism have nothing to do with his presidency. It is laughable that the pundits are criticizing that Romney did not go down a list of doctrines and speak for his church. Romney stated clearly that he is not and should not be a spokesman for his church. Good for him, as anyone can get the explanations of these doctrines directly from the church on the Internet, missionaries, etc.

If we can elect a president like JFK whose religion believes the wafer given in the Eucharist (communion) ACTUALLY turns into the body of Christ and prays to God and the virgin Mary (by the way JFK did not explain these beliefs either - it would be innappropriate for him to do so), why can't we elect a president who believes in the Bible and other scriptures, or believes his UNDERWEAR is sacred in reminding him of his comittments to live a Christ centered life and that will help give him protection in this life.

Romney was very presidential today, motivating and inspiring. I am starting to like him more and more.

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Joe Do, American Fork, UT — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:54:40 GMT

A lot of people want to know about his religion. Mitt is not a spokesman for the Church. He was not called and ordained to do so. He is, after all, a politician, not a prophet. If you want to know about what he believes, see the Churches web site or the next time the missionaries knock on your door, invite them in for a drink of water and some polite conversation.

And as for the Christian thing, Do I want to believe in a Roman creed that dictates a unreachable, incomprehensible, distant, far away, all in one god that has no empathy to a mere mortal as myself, or do I want to believe in a God that is more of a father to me and who can relate to my feelings. I think I would choose the later. Ask any Jew. Even though they do not believe their Redeemer has come yet, they do have the common sense to know that Christ and Heavenly Father are not the same person. The oneness is in spirit, goals, empathy, and truth.

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ac — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:55:30 GMT

I actually know little about the Mormons - all I know
is every Mormon I have ever know have been upstanding
moral and decent people - who live their faith and
respect others. That is what I look for in a person -
be it a friend or a president.

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Clay Jones, Boston, Mass. — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:55:36 GMT

Mitt didn't run Massachusetts as a Mormon but rather as a business executive. His health care initiative fines those poor people who have lost their jobs and health insurance. To me that is not Christian or Mormon or Buddhist or whatever. He will be the best President for billionaires the country has seen.

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Scott S, Sacramento, CA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:57:44 GMT

I'm a Mormon, and there's no way I'll be voting for Romney (I have my reasons) but I really don't see why his being Mormon should sway your vote. There are plenty of Mormon people in national government offices. The Senate Majority Leader, a DEMOCRAT, is Mormon!
Vote how you like, say what you want, but do it based on his qualifications and his positions on the issues, not his religion (this is America, not Northern Ireland). GROW UP ALREADY.

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Dave, St. Louis, MO — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:58:06 GMT

Steve, JSM and Jay: any religion or its beliefs can be taken out of context and ridiculed. Your so-called "experience" or understanding of the LDS faith is limited and your examples are either incorrect or presented out of context. Did some of you making derogatory comments even listen to the speech? He said that he WILL NOT let the leadership, doctrines or anything else related to the LDS church direct his decisions as President. Period.

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Josh, Lehi UT — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:58:48 GMT

From let them speak for themselves

Joseph Smith made a false prophecy (one of several).
". . .I prophesy in the name of the Lord God of Israel, unless the United States redress the wrongs committed upon the Saints in the state of Missouri and punish the crimes committed by her officers that in a few years the government will be utterly overthrown and wasted, and there will not be so much as a potsherd left . . . "

(History of the Church, Vol. 5, p. 394.)

So have all the prophecies from the Bible come to pass yet? And if not does that make them false?

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Andy, Denver, Colorado — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:24:25 GMT

Look at his stance, his family, and his record on the issues. I am undecided but I cannot believe how many people are condemning a religion without speaking to members of their church or seeing for themselves. I have never met a Mormon that wasn't an outstanding individual. Shouldn't we judge people by their fruits(actions) and not by websites and books written by people with agendas. If we belived what was said on TV and read in the books/newspapers and online wouldn't we all be liberals. I am impressed with Mitt. He has not publicly taken offense to any of you trying to bash his religion based on your facts? from books or stories. Come on people we are better than that. America is better than that.

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Dave, Des Moines Iowa — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:25:25 GMT

Nice speech! I am, or was a fence sitting Iowan who up until now was undecided. I must say he is really everything you would ask for in a leader.

He is articulate and speaks well. (sorry W)

He seems to come across confident as a President should.

He has a strong background in business (and being a business owner I love this about him. I have no doubts in my mind that we will be better off with his financial background.)

And he honors God which should be a requirement in a President.

Nuff said Thanks Mitt you have my vote in both January and then against Hilary

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Merrily Mccarthy, Fresno, California — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:25:55 GMT

No Mormons for President of the United States!

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NY, NY — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:26:44 GMT

I rather see a Republican than a libtard in office. Let them fight within their party. If we don't present a united, front this country as a hold will fall faster to into a third world country.

Btw, the level of ignorance is amazing here.

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John, Denver, Colorado — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:26:58 GMT

Romney's speech simply informed voters that Mormons also believe in God and Jesus. The speech was not about Freedom of Religion (or religious tolerence) because it was not religion neutral (i.e., no talk about Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.) Neither was it about Separation of Church and State, rather it was about we don't want to go too far (i.e., not allowing, Merry Christimas, Navitiy, Pledge of Legion, In God we Trust)with keeping God out of government affairs. This was a speech narrowly tailored to other Christians that he's one of them.

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Merrily Mccarthy, Fresno, California — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:27:43 GMT

No Mormons for President of the United States!

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Michael, Washington DC — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:29:17 GMT

I was highly offended by this speech. Already 10-15% of Americans say they have "no religion," (and those are just the people that will admit they do because a lot of people would say athiests are worse people than pedophiles, satan worshipers, and terrorists) and the number of non-religious is growing yearly. If we truly have religious freedom, shouldn't that protect all religious beliefs? He never even mentioned people that do not affiliate with a religion and he came off, in my opinion, like he wanted to further integrate religion into our culture. It seemed like he's made the assumption that religion is the only thing that can give people "moral guidance." Personally, i don't really need the Bible to tell me not to kill anyone! I also don't think i would want a leader that needs a religion to decide what is morally correct.

Sorry Mitt.... I'm with Hillary!

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Julie, Highlands Ranch, Colorado — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:29:51 GMT

It isn't Mitt's job to teach what members of his church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, believe. If you want to know more about the church go to www.mormon.org or talk to your Mormon neighbors. There are more than 12 million of us.

I am a LDS woman and we are not treated like second class citizens. My best friend is an atheist and he once said that to me. I said "you've met my parents, do you really believe that?" He soon realized how wrong he was. Our church leaders teach that husbands should treat their wife as an equal partner and with nothing but devotion, love and respect.

The people in the church are not perfect; its true. You may even know a bad example. It is the people, not the teachings of the church that are wrong. The church cannot make a person perfect. It can only lead the way, as the Bible and Book of Mormon do. We all have free agency to act and believe as we choose.

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J Rudd, Waregem, Belgium — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:30:37 GMT

If you sincerely want to know what Mormons believe, invite the LDS missionaries in next time they knock on your door. Another way to find out is to visit http://scriptures.lds.org/a_of_f/1. Find out for yourselves. It's not Mr. Romney's responsibility to educate the world on his religion.

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Suzan Clark, Oxford, MS — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:32:28 GMT

It's really sad and unfair to read all the half truths and misconceptions that many are stating about the mormon faith. Mormons are use to all the bashing and don't complain....sign of a true christian. I think Mitt has a lot of courage to stand up for what he believes in spite of the attention and criticism. He should be given a chance to prove his qualifications for the job and not judged by his devotion to his faith whatever that may be. The fact that he can and has persevered through all the criticism should in itself reveal his true integrity.

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Dave, Des Moines Iowa — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:32:58 GMT

You know its interesting that a lot of you seem angry. You sound like you need to find God in your own life

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J, Los Angeles, CA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:33:16 GMT

I find it surprising that Mitt presents himself as a traditional Christian, and even talks about one day putting his hand on the Bible if sworn in...a Bible his faith feels is inadequate, in need of interpretation, and even apostate. That would be like a Christian swearing on the Book of Mormon...no need to keep any promises there! If he is so proud of his faith, why isn't he just honest about what he actually believes? He is not being truthful, which scares me. We don't need more lying politicians!

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Rich, College Station, TX — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:34:27 GMT

"Romney had audience handpicked to clapat the right place, unlike Kennedy who spoke to people who were hostile to him. I would like to see him in a nonscripted and set up situation."

Obviously you have never been to College Station. Although College Station is a wonderful place, there is plenty of negative press and fear of Mormonism around there. I am saddened by the lack of understanding and fear about what Mormons really believe and who they are. If you really want to know, check out www.mormon.org and see for yourself. Don't mock what you don't understand. And concerning Romney, all of you should look past your preconceived prejudices about whether you think he belongs to a cult or not and focus on what really matters, the issues.

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Thomas Nelson, West Jordan, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:34:34 GMT

I regret that I am still a member of this planet. Based on the many negative comments about former Governor Romney and his Religion of choice, I can see that ignorance still has a firm hold on this planets inhabitants. I am looking forward to getting back to KPAX. They didn't recognize Jesus Christ for whom he was two millenia ago and now they don't recognize His church today... The Nicene Creed - what a bunch of whooie that is/was.

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Merle, New York, NY — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:35:21 GMT

I don't care if Mitt's a Mormon. But you can't claim that the president has to be religious, that religion is required for freedom and that people should vote for you because you're a man of faith and then not expect people to investigate and judge you by that faith. A candidate's religion isn't a factor for me, but Mitt says it should be. If it is then he has to defend what he believes.

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Mike, Nampa, ID — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:40:57 GMT

If these Evangelicals who hate the Mormons so much were to actually pick up a Book of Mormon and read it... they would find out it teaches the same fundamental Christianity that they profess. What is wrong with this picture is that the Utah LDS do not follow the Book of Mormon, but rather those whom they consider are prophets. The Book of Mormon never mentions many of their beliefs and often bitterly condemns them. Nevertheless I would vote for Romney any day of the week over Hillary, at least he has a religion, Hillary worships herself!

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Jason Minneapolis, MN — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:41:52 GMT

First lets clear a few things up...this country was not founded on freedom from religion as many on the board claim. In fact, the argument used in the declaration of independence why we are not under English control is that we receive our rights from God over whom no man has authority rather than from a king...our country is very much based upon a belief in God.

It is important, because a persons beliefs on right/wrong, and a number of other issues stem from their faith or lack therof. Seeking to understand someone's beliefs are very relevent.

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sandy fenster — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:43:41 GMT

What I don't understand is is why no one ever questions the candidates about the effect of their religious beliefs on others. Unless a candidate completely can say as John Kennedy did that they believe in a complete separation of church and state then one can never be sure that they will not legislate according to their own belief's and expect those who believe otherwise to obey. abortion is a prime example. no one is directing a catholic to have an abortion if they do not choose to but many candidates would make it illegal for a person with another religious belief to obey their doctrine if elected. The separation of church and state should be the supreme test, yet no one ever really brings it up in the debates or the talk shows.

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kevin,philadelphia — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:44:20 GMT

I believe going before the public only increases his numbers in the polls. The back drop of speaking before the American public at a former president library makes him look more presidential. I have no intention of voting for this cat but I must admit his staffers did a good job in having him stay away from the misguided principle his religion stands for.

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Larry J. — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:46:03 GMT

I've been on the fence about the GOP candidates, but this speech pushed me over the edge to support Mitt Romney. He was gracious, articulate, passionate, and genuine - traits I haven't really seen from him up to this point.

I've known many Mormons throughout my life and, for the most part, they have been good people that care and worry about the same things I do...family, God, country, paying the mortgage, etc.

After reading some of the hate speech about Mormons on this blog - I'm even more convinced that Mitt is the right person for the job. Who cares about the specific doctrine of the Mormons, just as long as they love God with all their hearts and love their neighbors. All of you other "Christians" should start acting the part

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Toni, Los Angeles — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:49:58 GMT

Mr. Romney argues that a candidate's religious faith should not be taken into consideration by voters. His argument is basically grounded on the idea of separation of church and state, that is, the religion to which he gives his allegiance will have little, if any, bearing on they way he governs. Can this be true? Hasn't it been proven time and again that separation of church and state in this country is more of an ideal than a reality? Please, Mr. Romney, let's not try to blow smoke. We Americans are smart. All we have to do is look at history; there's no denying it. Mr. Romney will promote the interests of those things and people that are most dear to him, just like his predecessors. The right wing "fundamentalists" are radicals as it is, at least this is true of a lot of them. Then add Mormon dogma to it, it becomes even more radical (if that's possible). At least JFK was a traditionialist. Mr. Romney however is obviously not. This is the problem. We Americans respect your conviction in your faith but to try to suggest that it will have no bearing on the way that you govern is a falsehood. We know what we can expect from Christians, Catholics, Jews, the traditional religions. But Mormonism could potentially bring with it principles and practices that are unfamiliar to and unwanted by the American people. At least we know what we're getting with these other religions. Mr. Romney's Mormanistic faith could be opening the door to Pandora's box. Don't we have enough to worry about?!

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Debbie, Aurora Colorado — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:51:10 GMT

WOW! it is truly interesting to see the hatred portrayed here on this forum. I am amazed that people who claim to be christian put so much effort and ill-will into trying to discredit a religion or a person who follows it. I am amazed that freedom of religion is still something that is struggled with here on this great nations land.I find it interesting at the great efforts people put into trying to stir up feeling of fear and hatred and distrust, really are these the kinds of things that religion is all about? those who have changed religions and say they were once mormon seem to have the greatest portrayal of hatred and those who go to anti sentiment sources will always find the writings filled with hate and loathing. It is funny those who proclaim to be christian and and following in the footsteps of Christ would work so hard to bring discontent to the world in regards of the mormon religion. I am so amazed that you are lead by hate and fear instead of trying to see that everyone has a right to worship. how they may. Shame shame! Where is the tolerance and brotherhood that this nation was founded on? When all that people seem to do is want to attack our own country men. Incedible!

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chris — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:52:03 GMT

I am a Mormon. A very highly educated Mormon living and working at a top law firm in Los Angeles. The comments on this post truly sicken me. Those who would denounce my religion need to take a serious look in the mirror. You are bigots and fools.

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rex williams arcata, calif. — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:56:30 GMT

GOD is in charge and will see that the right person gets the job. and so it be. amem and amem

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Ida Quesada — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:00:11 GMT

I will be voting for Mitt Romney. He comes across as an honest person of great integrity which is lacking in all the others. All of them have proven to be dishonest and untrustworthy.
Ida Q.

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Diane, Pulaski, New York — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:02:03 GMT

I object to the Mormons because they are a cult, and the last thing this country needs is to have a cult leader as President. Mormons believe things that aren't Scriptural such as they think they can become Gods, but the Bible clearly states there is only one God, and we are to serve Him only. Mormons believe that God has a wife, but nowhere in the Bible does it say that. Mormons have their own scriptures. In addition to the Bible, they use the "Pearl of Great Price," "Doctrine and Covenant" and "Book of Mormon," but the Bible states clearly that the Scriptures are not to be added to!

And, Mormons have dietary restrictions that aren't mentioned in the Bible such as no caffeine allowed. This means they can't have coffee, chocolate and anything else with caffeine.

The list goes on, but I think you get my point. The Mormons practice a religion that is not Biblical, and their "salvation" is based on works, not faith. I believe that the only way we can be saved is to rely on the Lord Jesus' sacrifice on the cross. That is the only way to be saved, but the Mormons believe otherwise.

To have a President with such way-out, cult beliefs would be bad for this country. Period.

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Ken Pruitt, Georgetown, KY. — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:04:14 GMT

Morals, Integrity, and Character. When these words are utilized they conjure up good-feelings for what ever it is an individual wants them to mean. I ask for direct honesty by my candidates and fellow citizens. Do not cloak what you may or may not want in ambiguous wording. If you want a Western-Christian theocratic style government that legislates a particular belief of doctrine in the Bible, then fess up and say it. If you advocate a secular society where religion and faith beliefs do not permeate society, then admit to that. If you want a hybrid system, then dictate which biblical or religious mandates you believe your neighbor should be forced to adhere and tell them. Your ideals and beliefs are not right or wrong; so much as you give the constituency the information to make a choice based on your ideals and beliefs. The Constitution is very clear on these issues. The founders “intent” is asinine. It is what made it into the governing document of this nation that we are bound to uphold. Please stop using feel-good phrases to send ambiguous messages. Be proud and honest about what it is you want and believe.

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Hudson, SLeepy Hollow, New York — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:06:13 GMT

I myself am a mormon, and I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, not IS GOD. You will find that fact in Matthew in the Holy Bible.

Also, most of the veiws that are mentioned about the LDS faith, is that the church was seperated at a time, and another leader took SOME of the facts, and created his own for a short while. These ideals WAS NOT of Joseph Smith, Jr.

I am sad to see that Christians still think that LDS is a cult. I am sorry, but if that were true, I would not have started to come back and bring my family in as well.

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P.D. Bristol, PA. — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:06:32 GMT

Dear Abraham CA,
You are absolutely correct. Romney has changed his his position on Everything! Abortion, immigration and a host of other things. Now he fired his landscaper for hiring illegals. The man is all over the map. I would have more respect for him and the republicans in the running, but as you pointed out the pandering to the religious right, who have far to much say in politics, have turned me off. I will be voting democrat in 2008.

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Breanne, Mesa AZ — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:07:45 GMT

I am a woman and have been a member of the LDS church all my life. To hear people say that women are opressed in the church feels me with a deep sadness and a little bit of anger. Some of the sweetest and most tender quotes ever said about women come from members of this church. Women are revered and respected. My husband treats me as the queen of the home, respects my opinions, comes to me for advice, and looks at me as an equal partner. I am sure Mitt treats his wife the same way. Mormonism is not a cult, it is a religion of people doing the best they can and following beliefs that have struck true in their hearts. I love my church and I hope everyone loves their church regardless of the faith they belong to. A person should believe that their church is the only true church, otherwise why would they be following it? But let Mitt run, not as a mormon, but as a good man. Because that is what he is. This speech this morning demonstrated his love for his country and the principles it was founded on.

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Joe Do — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:07:48 GMT

I find it amazing that so many so called Conservative Christians that claim to be truth seekers, use the same tactics that liberal hacks use. Namely: name calling, half truths, quoting out of context, bullying, and out in out lying to get there point across. What spirit do you follow? Who's side are you on anyway?

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John, Highland Mills NY — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:10:54 GMT

According to my religion, (Eastern Orthodox Catholic), Mormonism is a heresy so far removed from the precepts of the Bible and the Church, it borders on Apostacy, if not paganism. That , however is a matter for the individuals soul and God to judge. My worry is that this popular perception that the issues of anyone's faith are overriding guides for the governance of a multicultural, multi-denominational superpower is going to get us into some nut's personal messaiahnic fantasy about leading us into the fulfillment of his religion's ultimate prophesy. I prefer that we elect a compassionate, competent, and realistic government, and let God's plan unfold in God's time. According to the Bible, the subset of us that's getting raptured out of here is, on a world-wide scale, a very small club. Most of us won't make the cut. Rushing to a new armgeddon might just make God look upon those responsible, (Leaders and Followers both) as MURDERERS and CONSPIRATORS and therefore DAMNED TO HELL! The Bible does not say Thou Shalt Not Kill "Good" Christians, but Everyone else is fair game. Abortion Clinic bombers, take note. Do not presume to guide God's hand' when he wants you for his tool, you will know it.

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Desperate, Overland Park KS — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:11:44 GMT

I agree with Ellis B.

The most harmful disease facing humanity today is religion. May the Flying Spaghetti Monster help us all.

ARRRR

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Nathan, Mesa, AZ — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:12:02 GMT

To those that have a problem with the way Romney avoids explaining the doctrines of his church, you must have missed the part about his not wanting to become at once a spokesman for his Church and a presidential candidate. If you want to know about mormon beliefs, for goodness sake it shouldn't be too hard to find one that is NOT running for president.

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Stacy, Mesa, AZ — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:13:11 GMT

I am a female in the Mormon church and I am NOT a second class citizen....so if you feel that way Judy maybe you should come to church with me on Sunday and come sit in the LESSON that I am giving!!!

Because if I understand your comment second class citizens have no say....and since I am teaching this week, well, then I must be first class!!!! But thanks for trying to explain the way mormon women feel.

Next time, get your facts straight.

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Bill, Sutter, CA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:14:20 GMT

Abraham, Christians don't think you should (or others) should go to hell. That is why they preach the forgiving grace of Jesus Christ. Maybe you just think others want you to go to hell because you sound like a jerk.

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Barc — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:15:14 GMT

Who cares that he only said Mormon once? Such a Catch 22. If he said it more people would say that he's trying to make the nation Mormon.

Honestly, I was profoundly impressed with the speech and I sat down to watch it uneasy and skeptical about how it would come off.

If you want to know about Mormons, talk to Mormons or visit their website. He's not a preacher or a missionary for his church. He's running for president people? Why are people so insistent that he says what Mormons believe when if they really want to know there's a very easy way to find out!

That's the point. People don't want to know. They want him to talk about his beliefs so that they can argue and dissect them and bring them down. They want something to bash.

People in this country love to bash and they confuse freedom of speech with freedom to bash. There's a way to respectfully disagree but most people haven't found it.

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Jon, Orem UT — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:16:37 GMT

Hey Jon,

Check out Noah Feldman's recent speech at the Mormonism and American Politics forum at Princeton. He lays out a great argument for why Mormons are apprehensive about discussing their religious beliefs publically. You can watch the forum by clicking on the link I've included. All the talks and discussions are excellent.

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Robert (Bob) Spencer — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:18:46 GMT

I can't believe all the focus on Romney as a Mormon when Harry Reid (Democrat, leader of the Senate)is never discussed. For some of the very liberal issues Harry Reid has championed over the years the LDS Church has cringed, but never threatened excommunication. Democrats make a very small percentage of Mormons, but they are there. Most tned to vote conservative issues, Harry Reid is an exception. Look to the man, not his religion, and determine who he is and where he is going. I'm a Democrat from Nevada and wonder what happened to the Harry Ried I knew as a kid.

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MWI Seattle, Wash — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:19:53 GMT

Having lived in Salt Lake City under the shadow of "The Church" as Mormon's refer to their church, I can tell you that what is said about tolerance of other faiths and not having religous doctorine affect goverment legislation is NOT true. The indoctrination of LDS teachings makes it virtually impossible to have an independant and tolerant view of others beliefs.

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MWI, Seattle Wash — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:21:34 GMT

Mormon's believe that only Mormon's with strict adherence to all aspect of the faith can achieve the highest level of heaven in the afterlife

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Cody — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:21:39 GMT

Mitt nailed it. People should feel confident now that he has said what everyone has wanted to hear. Now lets get back to politics and know that that side of Mitt can now be put to rest.

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Tony C. — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:21:45 GMT

I am Mormon, and I say go to www.lds.org if you want to know what we are about. Mitt is right, you don't vote for or against someone based on their religion. it is obvious to me that Mitt Romney truly seperates his Faith from doing the duties of a Public Office, when he was Governor of Mass. he did not bring or force Mormonism on anyone, and the Leaders in Salt Lake City did not tell him how to Govern Mass. Mitt Romney is truthfully as qualified as any canidate to run this country. It is actually absurd for someone to not hear his political message and views and give hin NO CHANCE for their vote just becuase he is a Mormon, That shows me a total lack of intelligince and Religious Bigotry. Just becuase I am Mormon does not mean if Mitt wins the nomination that he will get my Vote for the Presidency, just cuase he is Mormon and I am, I agree with alot of his vision on America, but there are things I do not agree on. So since I am a Lifelong Practicing Mormon, and I feel unobligated to vote for Mitt Romney just becuase he shares my same Religious Beliefs, people that are NOT Mormon should not be against him and not even consider him just because he is Mormon. He is 100% right a canidate should not be voted for or rejected just becuase of his personal religious beliefs. I will vote for WHOMEVER shares more of my Goals for the Nation when it is time regardless of what Church they belong to.

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Jared Vancouver Wa — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:21:59 GMT

I don't understand all this hate towards a mormon. and I really don't get where people think that woman are second class citezens in the morman faith. many woman hold very high positions in every level of the church and I have never had one lds woman say that they feel like they are treated any less than any man. In fact ive heard many leaders say just the opposite that woman are and probalby always will be more perfect than the men. and that motherhood is the most important role anybody could ever have. its almost like people think that mormans are supposed to be perfect. well we aren't and i have never met a good morman that claims they are. we all make mistakes thats part of being part of the human race. so what if Mitt has changed is mind on few things everybody changes their minds on issues everyday. things happen in life that causes people to re-evaluate certian situations. we all do and we will all contunie to do it. what like none of the other candidates on both sides have not changed their minds one any issues get real. Go Romney

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Brian W. Columbus, OH — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:23:35 GMT

As a "Mormon" I always appreciate how other "Christians" view my beliefs as strange and weird.

These are the same people that believe Jonah was swallowed by a whale and spit out upon a shore. The same that believe an Ark was built that carried 2 of every kind of animal when the entire EARTH was flooded. The same that believe Moses caused a river to run red and parted a sea. The same that believe a young boy killed a 9' giant. The same that believe Samson killed a lion with his barehands, killed 1000 Philistines with the jawbone of an ass, and when his head was shaved lost all of his strength!

I could really pull some great stuff out of Leviticus if you're interested.

Before you cast stones at my religion and beliefs and calling them strange and weird I suggest you start reading your bible and figure out what exactly you believe. Then think about how bible stories sound to someone who didn't grow up with them.

And for what it's worth, I'm not sure I'll vote for Romney either. Obviously not because of his belief system but for his inability to take a stand and stick with it.

But as usual, the field of contestants from both parties is lacking.

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Winfield Roberts, Kemah, Texas — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:24:37 GMT

I wouldliketo hear about the things President Bush gust about when he took down Hussane,we got the oil wells and tons of money was found in a certainplaceand we control that, why has this not been an issue, are the politicians afraid to bring this up? who has the answers.

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Diego Casselly — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:26:23 GMT

Well, to be honest with ya, I don't know that there are any other candidates that look and act more presidential than this guy. Considering what he's accomplished in life, including the kind of family he has and the bucks he's made, this mormon may just be what America needs. So, after twenty years of voting Democrat, I'm seriously considering voting for ugly duckling Mormon, how about that, huh? Wait a second, isn't Reed, the leader of the Democratic party a Mormon? That's America for ya!!

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Paulette Kelly — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:27:26 GMT

I lived in Ut. for awhile, I know what a mormon is and it is not American! It is all about "the church" and how to take over.

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Troy, Satellite Beach, Fl — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:33:38 GMT

I'm absolutley stunned at the comments on this board. I guess it is ok to be a religious bigot.

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Lynn, Denver, CO — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:35:48 GMT

I lived in Utah for fifteen years under the rule of the Mormon Church. Utah is a theocracy that is run by the Mormon church. The Church controls and owns the entire state; including the media. Before Mitt Romney ran for president he met with the leaders of the Mormon Church to discuss his presidential run. As a devout mormon, Romney can not make important decisions without approval from the leaders of the Church. It would be ignorant to believe that he would not do the same thing when making decisions as President. The people should be very scared!!!

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Leticia, Elbow Lake, MN — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:36:39 GMT

This is in reply to a comment made by Steve of Boise, Idaho.

Steve, please know your facts before spreading a falsehood. Your twelve years of living among the LDS people doesn't guarantee that you know everything you need to know about the Mormons. I've been an LDS since 1971. The Church issues a receipt for every cent it gets from members or non-members. At the end of each year, we settle with our local leaders to make sure that their records show all the donations we had given the Church for the current year. Call it, 'a check and balance', if you will. Please note that local leaders, along with our general leaders in Utah do not receive any form of salary or bonus.

Annual audits are conducted by the Church's Audit Department and by INDEPENDENT public financial firms. These annual reports are presented to the general membership during General Conferences.

I know how the Church handles the sacred funds that they get entrusted with. I worked for the Church Office for 8 years before relocating to an area far away from any Church Office. Every dollar that went into the allowed expenses was accounted for. Audits were and still are a big part of the Church program.

I can tell everybody too that the Church leaders will not in any way dictate how Gov. Romney will lead the nation. The Church does not even allow political discussions of any kind during classes or meetings inside its doors. Anyone who violates this policy gets reprimanded. Sen. Reid and all LDS politicians can attest to everything I said here.

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William, Little Rock, Ar. — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:38:22 GMT

I think Gov. Romney and his supportors are trying to switch the subject from his convenient and shifting stances on core social issues to him being a victim of religious bigotry. This is a very clever strategy but I am not sure if it is going to save his campaign.

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dave morgan — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:38:30 GMT

I liked his speech. Not afraid to say who he is.

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Loretta, Shelbyville, KY — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:39:44 GMT

Congrats for teaching us all some history on our religious heritage.

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God — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:40:18 GMT

I think anyone who believes there is some guy who lives in the sky watching our every move should be barred from public office.

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AP, MY, UT — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:40:58 GMT

Face it: if you won't vote for a Mormon, because he's a Mormon, then you don't fully believe in country's founding fathers ideas and Constitution of the United States of America. How pathetic are these statements: "He's a Mormon, he can't think for himself....he's got a direct phone line to the LDS church leaders....he thinks he can become like God...he's in a cult...but what about the temple...." Look at yourselves fanatical people! You're either bigots or un-American or both. By singling out Mitt, in a sense you are saying that all the other presidents' religions are simply one massive conglomerate. If the Baptist can't vote for the Mormon can he vote for the Methodist; does he only have to vote for the Baptist?

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Joan Michele, Ohio — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:44:51 GMT

A President should not be selected based on religion but on qualifications and experience. With that said, what Mitt DOESN'T want to say is that Mormons believe they will become Gods, that they have THREE levels of heaven, and that women need a husband to utter their secret name to get them into the highest levels of heaven. THAT is what the Mormons believe. Mitt doesn't want YOU (the non-Mormon) American public to know this as you might not give him your vote. As a Mormon, he must believe and embrace these beliefs. They are part of the LDS church's secret ceremonies for endowments and marriage. Mitt wants to be seen as a mainstream Christian, thus he is not giving specifics about his religions tenents. He WON'T get specific. As a Mormon, he is not ALLOWED to speak of these things that take place in the temples. But, he needs those red state votes, so he will tell Americans only the information that the Mormon church deems okay for the public. This man WANTS the presidency desperately - that's why he has waffled on abortion and gay rights. And, why you will never get specifics on his religion out of him. I lived in Utah for 13 years. I studied the religion and talked with its members. If you elect him, do so on his qualifications and experience, not because he seems to be Christian. Frankly, you won't ever know how Christian he is or is not because he is not allowed to disclose certain information about his religion.

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Blue state baby — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:46:30 GMT

Did Donnie and Marie endorse Mitt the Mormon?

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spencer, vancouver, WA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:47:44 GMT

The Mormon system is a money making sham. The statement that they are Christians is completely wrong. John Smith wanted to be famous and pass a legacy. He tried several different times to create a religion(s) that all have failed, but Mormonism. There was a group of takers to that faith and papers were written showing the creation and holes in the faith. The papers are missing and the Mormons would kill to get their hands on them. The Bible says (paraphrasing) do not be deceived. There will be many false prophets after me saying they were sent by me......John is false. We can't be God, a God, or magically by faith and works become a God. Jesus was sent for our salvation, not to become him. I don't think that he will even come close to getting to the White House, but on a tour.

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Heather, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:47:53 GMT

Anyone who thinks Mormon women are treated as 'second class' citizens, or are 'subversive', has most certainly not met a lot of Mormon women.

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Keith C. Anchorage AK — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:48:55 GMT

Mormonism is the farthest thing from being Christian. When you talk to a mormon at your door and they find out you read your BIBLE and understand your faith they do everything they can to get out of a conversation with you. As Christians we are always supposed to be able to give an answer for what we believe and we are not to be ashamed of the JESUS we preach. Ask a mormon if he gets to heaven will he be able to take plural wives. they will answer back saying they only need one wife. If you are persistent you will get them to tell you they can take as many wives as they want in heaven. The only reason they don't now is because it is not legal. I would never vote for anyone that is a mormon because the Jesus they preach is the father of all lies (SATAN). The Jesus I know is GOD. He is the one and only true God who created all things, and we will all bow before him one day with a judgement unto Life Everlasting or DEATH.

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Heidi Shaw Kelso, Washington — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:50:05 GMT

Romney gave an outstanding speech. His call for religous tolerance is one that this country needs to seriously pay attention to. For a talented and qualified man of international business, that would honestly audit Washington's spending corruption, to be discounted because of his religon is wrong.

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pat huntington ny — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:50:40 GMT

Mitt Romney was governor of Massachusettes when they started the Big Dig. Remember, the huge tunnel under Boston that was crumbling down on drivers? He signed off on the shoddy work and cheap inferior materials. This is not who we need as president.

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Herbie — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:52:12 GMT

Anyone that has lived in Utah knows that the Mormon church only tolerates other faiths because they have to under US law. If they could, they would secede and kick out every nonMormon in the state.

Mormons want to be tolerated to the extent that it benefits their church, but are neither open nor tolerant themselves

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Morgan, Seattle, WA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:52:35 GMT

Very nicely done. I am mostly ashamed of Christians who are so ready to judge anyone who is different from them. That is not who the United States needs as President. Mitt Romney, although not my current choice, would make an excellent President.

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mike k — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:52:55 GMT

A Muslim would be worse.....

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mike k — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:52:56 GMT

A Muslim would be worse.....

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Meridian, ID — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:54:06 GMT

I don't know how someone can fully represent me when he believes that I won't make it to his heaven, because I'm not LDS. Or that the only way a woman can make it to heaven is by her husband calling her secret name once he makes it in.

It just doesn't sit well.

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Hollis, Carey, Idaho — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:03:29 GMT

Steve from Boise sure is off base - he will believe what he will believe......and I and millions of Americans will believe what we believe. I still think we can all get along - and whether it be an atheist or a Mormon or a Protestant or a Catholic or a Muslim - American can and will continue to be a great nation in this upside down world of ours.

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B. Willis — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:04:35 GMT

I've never seen nor heard so much bigotry in the news today.If people want to know about members of
The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints - go ask someone who really knows. Ask a MORMON. For heaven's sake, go to the OFFICIAL website of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints. If you want to find out what a Catholic believes, why would you ask Methodist what a Catholic believes? The same can be said for all the Baptists out there that claim to know the "truth" about "Mormonism". They call themselves Christians? Yet they are teaching hatred and intolerance of Mormons amongst themselves, and now publicly, in the media - while claiming to know about what WE believe. Yes- I am a Mormon, a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Ignorance abounds in the U.S. today.What are Baptists and "Evangelicals" so "afraid" of, maybe they are afraid that if any of the members of their congregations really INVESTIGATED for THEMSELVES what WE believe, not what they teach about us, they will find out that 99% of what they are hearing in the media and reading from these "watchtower" groups is the fartherest thing from the REAL truth about what we believe. I believe that Jesus Christ is the literal son of God. Our church is founded on Jesus Christ. They are two separate beings. Jesus Christ and His Father whom is God, are one in PURPOSE. We are not a "cult". We do not worship a MAN. We do not worship Joseph Smith.He suffered and died for our sins.The Methodists don't worship John Wesley either. Get it? As Mitt says - we believe in Jesus Christ that suffered and died for our sins. We worship the SAME Jesus Christ as every other church. People are just plain ignorant that say we have or worship a "different" Jesus. That is ABSURD.
Those whom would not refer to Mormons as Christians should be taking a closer look in the mirror. Who are they to sit in judgement of whom is Christian or not? We ARE Christians. Are they??

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Michelle, Idaho — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:08:06 GMT

It breaks my heart to hear such remarks against others whether it is Evangicals against Mormons or Mormons against Catholics. We are all people. We live in a country that promotes religeous freedom. Why do we hate our neighbors because of their religion, skin color, opinions, etc.? I was raised LDS. I am comfortable with my beliefs. I listen to Christian radio (Evangicals) on my way to work, because I love Jesus Christ. I don't care where I hear the message. My father and husband are not abusive nor do they dominate me in my thoughts, actions, or opinions. I love my religion, I don't have a problem with other religions. I can only speak for myself and wish people would not make such wide generalizations. It is insulting. I don't know who I will vote for. Could be Mitt or it could be Hilary.

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Mark, SLC UT — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:12:44 GMT

I have seen a few posts about where to go to find out about the LDS Church. If you really want to know, go to LDS.ORG the Offical Website

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Dustin, God's Country, Wyoming — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:12:48 GMT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur_xV9ztFvg

You are haters because it is true. Why else would you get so riled up.

Mormons believe in faith and works. Many people disputing it believe in faith only. Well, I hope you are right, but hedge your bets people. If faith only saves we are ALL saved. If Mormons are right...then, ummm...how do I say this kindly?.....ummm... ok, you are screwed. :)

I just watched a Mormon eat some chocolate. No caffeine? What the in the he!! are you talking about?

All you haters are all EX-Mormons that have an axe to grind. Maybe live your lives right, quit sinning, and you will be happier.

I love the Mormons. Marie Osmond should have won! All you haters didn't want a Mormon to win Dancing With The Stars didn't you, didn't you?

Please see wwww.marie-osmond-should-have-won-but-ex-mormons-protested-against-her-to-not-win.com

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cris, st. george, ut — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:13:58 GMT

If you what to know the basic beliefs of the LDS (Mormon) faith then go to www.mormon.org.

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Dee Russell Holliday, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:16:22 GMT

Should we not look at candidatesfor what they have accomplished: ie. contributions to their communities;their families; their country ? Should not they be judged on what they say they will do and what they say they will work toward in office? What they say and what they have done is clearly on the record. I intend to vote for Romney based on his record and also what he proposed for the country on the economy,health care, immigration,etc., and because he is intelligent, honest and well spoken.
He is a successful family man, business man, and public leader.
I am astounded at the misinformation and bigotry toward "so called" Mormons. They are generally well educated,honest, hard working, generous, patriots, and lovers of freedom and peace.
They are not "fanatics" but are well grounded Americans who treasure freedom, honesty, family values ( including the equality of men and women, generosity, and good will among all men in our country and throughout the world !

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Bryan, Memphis TN — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:16:41 GMT

I've been reading a few of these posts and there are some things I just don't get:

- If Romney, at any time, demonstrated any discrepancy with his religious beliefs then he is labeled as being disingenuous. Yet, if his actions are in accordance with his faith, he is labeled a "fanatic."

- If Romney describes exactly what Mormons believe then people accuse him of being overly zealous; however, if he gives a more general speech, then people complain that they "don't know" what he believes or that he is being "wishy-washy".

- If Romney states his belief in Christ, then people discount him as "not really being a Christian" (nothing judgmental there), yet if he doesn't refer to Christ often enough, the religious right says "see he isn't one of us."

Come on, folks. Is there a way for the man to win? Probably not. That is the problem with prejudice.

Incidentally, the "flip flopper" accusation is very flimsy. It is simply prejudice in disguise. If Romney were of any other faith and had reversed his decision about abortion, would anyone on the right accuse him of flip-flopping? No. You would welcome him as a convert. Finally, if Romney will be taking orders from Salt Lake simply because he is a Mormon, what about Senator Reid from NV- also a Mormon and one of the highest ranking democrats in Washington? Regardless of how you feel about the Mormon faith.... these are some pretty weak arguments to not consider him as a candidate.

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GARY, MALAD, IDAHO — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:16:44 GMT

WE ALL HAVE OPINIONS ON EVERYTHING. WE THINK THE WORST AND BELIEVE WHAT OTHERS SAY TO BE THE TRUTH NOT JUST THEIR OPINIONS.
STEVE, BOISE: YOU FEED YOUR FLOCK. IF YOU MADE COVENANTS, ONE DAY YOU WILL STAND BEFORE YOUR MAKER AND WHEN YOU DO, WILL YOU BE PROUD OF YOUR WORDS OR WILL YOU FEEL THE HEAT?

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Kathryn, Key West, FL — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:17:36 GMT

How does Romney square his speech with his membership in a church that since Joseph Smith, has believed in the Curse of Cain Doctrine; that Negroes were the children of Cain, and under his curse, and the "mark" of the cursed was a black skin. The religion issue is a diversion. The real issue is the racist roots of the mormon faith. How can anyone pretend to be egalitarian and still cling to the Book of Mormon?!!
THAT was the exigency the public was waiting for Romney to address--and like the weasle that he is, he dodged it.

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D, UT — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:20:25 GMT

Want to know the truth about the Mormon faith? Find out for yourself:

http://www.mormon.org/
http://www.josephsmith.net/
http://www.lds.org/

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JCL, Rockford, Illinois — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:23:13 GMT

Judy Baker: You couldn't be further from the Truth. If you knew anything about Mormons you would understand that women are held at the highest regard and with the utmost respect.

The problem with this thread is that there are so many ignorant people voicing opinions and making accusations of something that they understand. Get educated about the issues and then formulate an intelligent opinion!!

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Michelle South Carolina — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:23:43 GMT

Go Mitt!

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michael Simi, Ca. — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:26:49 GMT

Lets see,,,Mormons compile every bit of information on everyone they can. Store it in their mountain vaults. Not letting in anyone, no way, no how!
Why? This is a very deceptive "front" that is played by very dangerous people. These megalomaniacs actually think they will control the world. What is to stop them from trying anything nefarious when one of their own is in the highest office?
Mormons are hypocritical, egotistical, selfish wingnuts. Let's keep them all in Utah.

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J.T. Nish Salt Lake City Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:27:13 GMT

Ignorance has been, and most likely will continue to be, the greatest downfall of mankind. As I have read the posts against the LDS church I have been reminded of nothing more than the Holy Crusades, the "Holy" Jihad, and the many other conflicts which have taken place over the centuries in the name of God. I find it amusing that a church, which to my knowledge has never attacked another faith but in fact teaches their members to love and respect others, could be met with such bigotry and ignorance. Hang your heads if I am talking to you because you are guilty of what I consider to be the greatest social issue plaguing our nation.

Mitt seemed to me to be an honest and forthright American and deserves, at the very least, a very good listen.

As to the Mormon faith, do yourselves a favor and study before you speak. I promise you will look a lot less foolish.

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Emilie, Olathe, Kansas — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:35:02 GMT

For all of you who are concerned about "the fact that he won't tell people what his religion really believes in." -Get real. It is in no way his duty or obligation to inform all the lazy listeners about the beliefs of his religion. If you want to know then go to the source and figure it out. What you need to be paying attention to is how his views and stances on issues that concern this nation fit with yours. For me, it's a match. He has my vote.

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Praying for President, Dallas, TX — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:35:42 GMT

Oh PLEASE! People - stop whining about Mormonism, that is not the issue. If you want answers about what Mormons believe go to www.lds.org it's all there straight from the top.

Mitt is a human, imperfect, but possibly the best candidate in the running. I'm simply praying that the American people will NOT ELECT HILLARY!!!

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Sue — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:35:47 GMT

Being a former member of the LDS church, having family still embedded in this "cult" I feel I can speak on this issue. When doing your research of the "Mormons" be sure and read the many books published by former members that have "been there, done that". The "Mormon" members of my family are very secretive, and very judgemental, their way is the only way and the rest of us are going to hell in a hand basket. I am sure when I am gone that they will get busy to "save" me by doing my temple work!!! One of the many "odd" rituals of the church. I agree with many of the comments posted here, it is a very complex religion with many different beliefs and it changes as the members see fit so that it meets the current needs. I would be very worried to have a Mormon leading our nation.

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Logic Hurts, Las Vegas, NV — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:35:58 GMT

Unfortunately there is still so much misunderstanding and confusion regarding the mormons, as evidenced here on the board. Frankly though, this speech this morning was the right step, whether is actually works we have yet to see. I personally think Romney is a good candidate, he has the ability to set this country right after the last couple of presidents (99% Bush though). If you're voting against him because he's a Mormon, you're an idiot. If you're voting against him because his stance is not in conjunction with yours, then that is the right choice for you.

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Rex, Peoria, IL — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:36:58 GMT

Romney is a bundle of contradictions.

He claims that freedom requires religion just as religion requires freedom. What about theocratic dictatorships like Iran? Are they not religious? What about free countries that are essentially secular, such as Sweden?

Would he endorse religious doctrines by way of law upon atheists? Would he advocate laws based on particular religious doctrines that people of other religious denominations would vehemently disagree with?

Romney stated:

"...I did not confuse the particular teachings of my church with the obligations of the office and of the Constitution-and of course, I would not do so as President. I will put no doctrine of any church above the plain duties of the office and the sovereign authority of the law." He then states; "...I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it. My faith is the faith of my fathers-I will be true to them and to my beliefs."

What if his Mormon beliefs conflict with the duties of the United States president? How would he reconcile the two?

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John B., Crofton, MD — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:37:25 GMT

I don't have a problem with Mr. Romney's religion per se, because I agree with him that a candidate's religion should not be determinitive of his or her qualifications to be president. I DO have a problem with Romney's obvious willingness to shed any previously held belief--other than his religious ones--in order to pander to the Republican primary electorate. Like others, I was struck by the fact that he only mentioned the word "Mormon" one time in the entire speech; clearly that would seem to be indicative of the fact that the word (as well as the religion) doesn't poll well. This speech was given solely for political reasons (slipping poll numbers in early primary states), and, though carefully crafted and smoothly delivered, was as unenlightening about the candidate and his faith as the rest of his utterly poll-driven campaign has been. The fact that Mr. Romney may be the best that the GOP has to offer this year speaks more to the collapse of the party under the worst president in modern times than it does to Romney himself.

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Dillon - Concord, NH — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:38:06 GMT

I have been trying really hard to find something in the Bible that says it is the final word and infallible. Can somebody help me out, or is this just a traditional assertion with historical, not doctrinal roots? My understanding is that the Bible is a collection of writings by prophets and apostles - not written as a complete compilation at one time. I've heard people say that John said in Revelations that you cannot add the the "book," but it is obvious that he was talking about Revelations itself, not the Bible, as the Bible did not exist at that time. I would just like an honest and detailed answer to this question.

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Brian — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:38:30 GMT

"Romney has said he will not have Muslim member of his cabinet. That's absurd."

Marc Larocque, Boston, Mass. (Sent Thursday, December 06, 2007 11:26 AM)

That is NOT TRUE. It is blatantly oversimplified and out of context to a question that was asked of him...see here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/27/politics/main3544666.shtml

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Ann, Las Vegas, NV — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:38:37 GMT

This country was founded upon freedom of religion. He is free to worship who he chooses--so am I--so is anyone living in this country. Let's stick to the real issues of this campaign. If he is the person that will vote most closely to the way you would vote on issues than he is the man!--Stick to issues not religion--we are all free to choose who we worship--including Mitt Romney I really don't think that just because he changes jobs he would change his "moral character".

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H. R. Seattle, WA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:41:04 GMT

Excuse me, but women are NOT inferior in the Mormon faith. As a female member I have never seen such a thing. Women hold positions of authority in our church and do just as much as the men do. As for saying that Mormons only care about their own and don't take care of others, that's also simply not true. What you may have experienced with one mormon does not define the entire church. The Church is all about service and humanitarian aide. Please don't judge our faith by simply by just the few people you may come in contact with. Read up on the Mormons here: www.lds.org and decide that way.

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Mike/SLC — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:41:23 GMT

People keep claiming that ignorance of the LDS church is why many people are skeptial. Just walk up to a mormon and ask them about some of their beliefs and rituals, like temple work for just one. Or ask them why they baptise living people in the names of the dead. I live in SLC and have lived here most of my life. The LDS are the a very secretive organization of their own doing, then they want to talk about people being ignorant of the faith. Open your teachings, open your book and let the world see what you are about. Then and only then will they start to get past the skeptasism.

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Brian — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:45:09 GMT

Where do all these people get off thinking that Mormons are crazy.

We also believe that Moses walked up to the Ocean and split it in half. That Jesus could make water turn into wine (pretty cool if you ask me), that he could walk on water, and that he could even come back to life when he died. Also his mother could get pregnant without the help of a man.

And by the way...Moses walked up a mountain carved rules into a stone then came down and told everyone god gave him the rules.... not so different from the mormon story when you think about it is it?

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Boston, MA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:47:51 GMT

It is ironic that the liberals that Mitt makes fun of never had a problem with his religion but rightwing intolerant sect of the GOP does. Hilarious!

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W. M., Alabama — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:50:35 GMT

I think it's funny that people are upset that Mitt Romney won't explain every aspect of Mormonism. Is anyone asking Huckabee to explain every aspect of the Baptist religion??? If Romney weren't a Mormon, I don't think his religion would even come into play. If people are SO curious about what Mormon's believe, they can do some simple research on their own (www.mormon.org) or they can always visit one of our churches!

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Jeff Orlando ,FL — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:51:54 GMT

I can't believe that no one even picked up on the fact that this guy says freedom comes from some gOD. The truth is that the blood and lives of our men and women throughout history and our eternal vigilance makes freedom possible. This guy is such a bigot he never even mentioned one religion in his speech that wasn't an "Abrahamic Bloody Sacrificer" religion. But why does it suprise me that an Abrahamic would dismiss the true source of our freedom when the core of the Abrahamic terror cult is to seek out the innocent,
the unblemished and the pure and slaughter it? What a blatant
disregard for those who have paid the ultimate price with their
lives so that we don't have to have private Blackwater type militias
kicking in our doors, taking our guns and waterboarding us to find out why we weren't at church/synagogue/mosque this week.

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Jeremy, San Francisco — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:53:49 GMT

The problem I have with Mormonism is that it is a stupid religion. Mormons certain things, among them that the Book of Mormon is equatable in authority to the Bible; that Joseph Smith was told where to find "plates" in the ground containing new scriptures by the angel Gabriel; that Jesus Christ walked among Native Americans (an idea that has no historical, or more importantly, linguistic or oral history tradition from ANY Native American tribe) and that there were these ancient kingdoms on the North American continent for which there is 0 archaeological evidence.

I am tired of people in office who have beliefs that are ignorant of reality. Either Romney believes the above Mormon teachings or he does not. If he does, it is like believing in Santa Claus. We need LESS people in office who believe in silly ideas, not more. It is 2007. It is not 1820. Mormonism is founded on proven falsehoods and a cult of personality of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. We do not need a cult follower as president.

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JCL, Rockford, Illinois — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:58:11 GMT

Steve From Boise: Sounds like you got a biased vendetta. You seem to be attacking the church through Mitt Romney. You generalize every Mormon to be the same. You cannot judge a religion based on one individual. If you hate the Church because you had a bad experience with one person in SLC then you are being a fool! Did someone offend you? That's usually the reason people leave the church, and then attack it. You must have had a belief strong enough to make it to the temple.

Judge Mitt Romney on his patriotism, political experience, his agenda not by his beliefs and the religious organization he belongs.

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Jordan, Salt Lake City UT — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:00:52 GMT

To In Polls Mitt Trusts.
"It doesn't really matter what they call themselves, as the Bible is the final authority on what is what."
I'm sorry that you worship the bible more than God. Maybe you'll go to heaven, be sure to take your bible with you.

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Michael, Boise, Idaho — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:08:51 GMT

I have read the excerpts of the speech and many of the comments people have made here today. I've been avoiding the presidential race since it started so early, but now that it is less than a year away speeches like these get my attention.

I am LDS like many who have responded here today, and Mitt Romney. I'm not fan of being called a Mormon because I don't worship someone named Mormon. I worship God and his Son, Jesus Christ. While my faith is an important part of my life it does not dictate to me who vote for President, or how to live my life. I like to think of it as a road map on how to be a better person, how to treat people, and make it back to Him when I die. All of us in the church follow this same basic road map, but some stick much more strictly to it than others. I think Mitt Romney did a fine job is saying that in his speech when he said (and I am paraphrasing), his religion will not dictate his actions as President, and I believe him. Does that mean I will vote for him because he is LDS? No, I will vote for whoever I feel is the best candidate, and I have yet to decide that.

The religious intolerance or indifference shown by the comments here regardless of any organized religion is disturbing. I also take exception to those that have said that my church oppress women. I have been a member for 13 years and have never seen a women oppressed or told she couldn't do something she wanted to do. My wife of two years can do whatever she wants. She works full-time, is college educated, and Lord willing will someday be a fantastic mother. She has free will to do what she wants, and she also follows the same basic road map that I follow. She is also free to go off that road map at anytime. I had hoped that we as a culture and grown out of belittling people because of religion, but I guess we still have a ways to go.

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Dave, Boise, Idaho — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:08:54 GMT

Why all the fuss about a so-called religious litmus test? It seems wise to me to always consider someone else's worldview as you evaluate their position on any issue. A contributor to our nation's greatness is we have the right to run for public office without regard to our particular religion. Are people confusing that right with the common practice of evaluating another's worldview in light of their own? I'm certainly not against that kind of personal evaluation. People need to do alittle research and study on their own. Not everyone who say's they are a Christian really is a Christian and not every church which claims to be Christian is Christian. This will require more serious thought than were getting from any media whether they are left or right or whatever. The media fans the flames for ratings and ultimately money. They are a business and not a moral authority. Sadly, many have been trained to entertain themselves with this issue when they really should be seriously thinking.

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Dave, Boise, Idaho — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:10:10 GMT

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Luke, Salt Lake City, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:15:11 GMT

I live in Salt Lake City, I see how controlling "The Church" is in everything from politics to education. I also know that every temple-worthy mormon takes an oath to god to obey "The Church" above ALL other things. So if Willard won, his Oath of office would be meaningless. Salt Lake City is a beautiful place to live, but I would not want the whole country run like the state of Utah. Dont vote for Willard!!!

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Lynnette, No Calif — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:16:57 GMT

do your own research. The mormon church is a constantly changing entity disguised under the name church.The doctrine changes with the leaders.they believe lots of things that sound like christianity but ARE NOT. I am an evengelical christian with a mormon stepmom that I'm fairly close to. we have very frank talks and I'll tell you from my own research that I don't understand how anyone can believe such rhetoric. So many things have been archeologically found to back up the bible. NOTHING has ever been found to support Joe Smith's claim(s)......Do they scare me? NO.but the politics of the faith are dangerous. And if you think that a christian (who is true to their Christ)can do anything without it being a part of their judgement, character, choices,etc. you are incorrect. Every choice I make is impacted by my love for my Savior.....

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Ray, Denver, CO — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:26:43 GMT

"How does Romney square his speech with his membership in a church that since Joseph Smith, has believed in the Curse of Cain Doctrine; that Negroes were the children of Cain, and under his curse, and the "mark" of the cursed was a black skin. The religion issue is a diversion. The real issue is the racist roots of the mormon faith. How can anyone pretend to be egalitarian and still cling to the Book of Mormon?!!"

Uh-huh. What about the Crusades, a Christian effort to kill all the non-Christians in the Holy Land ("holy" to who else?) and make money running the place as a tourist attraction?

Or the forced conversion of Spanish Jews and Muslims to Christianity, and then the subsequent torture and execution of those same Jewish and Muslim converts, in the 400+ years of the Spanish Inquisition?

Or the forced conversion of the Aztecs, Mayas and other native American peoples to Christianity, at the point of the sword, and the destruction or theft of as many of their indigenous religious artifacts and records as the white Christians (soldier and priest alike) could get their hands on, starting with Columbus himself in 1492?

And that's just the Catholic house of Christianity. Let's look at the Episcopalians for a minute. The British Empire ruled the world, as it were, for a couple of hundred years. They subjugated the native populations and religions everywhere they went, treating them as serfs and worse.

Now let's look at the Protestants. They were the ones that traveled across the American continent with the frontiersmen, the pioneers and the U.S. Army, shooting American Indians for sport, abrogating treaties on a whim, dispossessing them and herding them to barren lands in "Indian Territory," and then kicking them off those lands when they got greedy.

For 100 years after the Civil War, white Christian men in the South were lynching black men and burning crosses (of all things) all over the countryside.

And today, 40 years after the civil rights battles were supposedly fought and one, this country still has white churches and black churches, and never the twain shall meet.

You're pretty presumptious to call out the Mormons on their alleged "racist roots" when you ignore the roots, the branches, in fact the whole rotten racist tree of orthodox Christianity.

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Ray, Denver, CO — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:29:53 GMT

Oh yeah, I completely forgot to mention what those good Lutherans did to the Jews between 1935 and 1945. How could I forget that?

And didn't they call the Jews "Christ-killers?"

Any Christian who asserts that "Mormons are racist" needs to examine the history of his own religion more carefully.

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Josh, Lehi UT — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:40:04 GMT

Jeremey from San Fransico:
Actually it was the Angel Moroni that appreared to Joseph and told him about the plates. Also how do you interpret this scripture from the New Testament?John Chapter 10 Verse 16: And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Again there are people who give out false information, and beliveing in some thing that may sound foolish to some people does not make it wrong, how foolish did it sound to the King of England when our fore-fathers beleived that we could govern ourselves better than he could? Sometines great things come out of simple belief.

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Dennis Reno, NV — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:46:53 GMT

I have read every posting to the point of making this entry. Every criticism of the LDS Church that I see is invariably based on out of context quotes, frustration from encounters with individual members, arguments of scriptural interpretation, or a fundamental ignorance of the Church and it's basic tenants. Members of the Church are human and you will find every flaw mentioned among them. None are perfect and if you find a member who thinks so then he or she is flawed simply for thinking so. Taking a quote out of context so that it appears to represent a radical deviation from an individuals 'preferred' belief does not necessarily make it as radical as portrayed. There are volumes written in support of LDS interpretation of Biblical scripture for every one that argues against it. And ignorance of the beliefs can be resolved simply by going to the proper source rather than intentionally seeking out biased and negative views and stereo types that feed established prejudices. But here is the thing about all that. Those who dislike members and project that onto the Church, those who are closed minded to any interpretation but their own, those who are threatened by any deviation from their comfortable norm (think Pharisees and Sadducee's), and those who are unwilling to even entertain the facts so that they have a proper foundation for their arguments (I point out again www.mormon.org) will never be convinced to abandon their bigoted views. Mitt Romney could have addressed every detail of LDS variation from 'popular' Christian views as some think he should have. He could have have argued all day (rightfully) that Church leadership has never and will never take a direct hand in the direction of a political leader and none of it woudl have accomplished a thing for those with a preconceived bigotry against the Church. I thought he made an intelligent and eloquent attempt but it will only be seen for what it was when falling on other than deaf ears.

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Just Sayin' — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:48:14 GMT

"A lot of people want to know about his religion. Mitt is not a spokesman for the Church. He was not called and ordained to do so. He is, after all, a politician, not a prophet."

If so, then how did Mitt manage to be a missionary for two years? How did he hold leadership positions within his church? That is a 'calling', isn't it? Just asking. Seems like he should be able to explain it as well as anyone. If he wants. He doesn't have to.

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Doc — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:03:16 GMT

It's really tiring to hear so many people blasting the Mormons for "protecting their own". As though theirs is the only faith that does. Let's see - how many Catholic diocese are on the verge of bankruptcy because of law suits stemming from sexual abuse cases that were covered up by the heads of that religion, protecting their own. That's just one example off the top of my head.

Also, can we look through history and find other examples of the same behavior with other denominations? I bet we could. What other immoral behavior or scandals can be found regardless of religion or race or nationality. Slavery. Jim Baker. Ted Haggard. David Vitter. Larry Craig. Communists. Nazis. Scientology.

I'm not religious. But I believe in God. I don't believe in religion because by it's own nature - religion is in it for itself. My god's better than your god. How long has that been going on? How long have Jews been killing Muslims, Muslims killing Christians, Christians killing Jews, and so on? Fact - according to the teachings of all of those religions, one figure, Abraham, is supposedly the father of them all. I think Muslims say the believers of those three religions are "People of the Book". If Abraham is the father of all those religions then why does one profess to be better than the other? Maybe it's the teachers of those faiths, who in their own self righteous belief, have skewed the teachings of a great historical figure, who asked that we love each other as we love ourselves, so that it fits their agenda.

You don't want to vote for a guy because of his religious beliefs, fine. The wonderful thing about this republic is that we have a document - the constitution - that says you have the free will to vote as you please. That in fact you have a right to vote at all, because of, or despite your beliefs. Just as you have a right to believe in any religion you want. Or none at all.

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Noelani — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:12:49 GMT

I cannot believe how much the pundits and political windbags are touting this silly speech as the greatest of the Campaign. Please get your head out of your arses and discuss the real issues.

Heeellooo!

Chris Matthews commentary on this speech seems, to makes his opinion of past and future topics during this election, questionable.

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Cait Gray, Lehi, UT — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:40:21 GMT

The comments on here about the belief system of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints completely shock me! If you want to know the true, basic beliefs of our church, go straight to the source. If I wanted to find out how the muslims believed, I would not go to "exmuslim.org," I would go to the direct source. You can't describe to someone how salt tastes, it is something they have to experience for themselves and then they can decide if they like it or hate it. Granted, there are some mormons who are proud & haughty--- so called "holier-than-thou," but no one is perfect and there are people like that in every religion. Mitt had good points in his speech, and he is a good man with values... which is something former presidents haven't had (and to think that we elected them... twice!)

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Debbie, Aurora Colorado — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:47:35 GMT

I know that since its founding that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints has been persecuted! But along the lines of what Ray from Denver says, Did you know that leaders in the catholic church would kill people who were caught with the translated pages of the bible out of the latin it was in to make it more accessable to the common people. They felt that common people should not read it and that English was a barbaric language in which to put the bible. These people who smuggled one or two or even a few pages risked their lives and the lives of their families to bring the bible to us so that we can all have it in our everyday lives. Thank you to those brave men and women who risked so much for me to have this scripture in my home to teach to my family and read! Did those of you who feel that the LDS church does not regard the bible as important know that we refer to it all the time and spend a great deal of time studying it in our sunday school, youth and other adult meetings, why wouldn't we when it is all about the Savior and when you realize that the name of our church, The Church of Jesus CHrist of Latter-day Saints has the name of Christ in it, that maybe HE may be the foundation upon which our religion rests? Have you ever considered that "THE mormons" hold the bible in highest regard, and we know the stories and themes in it better than most other religions out there? I know for a fact that I have researched and studied both the new and old testemant many times cross referencing and taking notes. I have taught sunday school classes to my bishop, I have also taught religion in my women's class or Relief society as we call it. I even have had the privelege of teaching to my entire congregation in our chapel for 20 minutes or more at a time, Oh and might I mention so have my children taught in the same fashion in thier classes and in front of the whole congregation? I love it and so do they and we do not get paid for any of it and that is more than fine by me! I have a college degree! I hold many high positions in my community and in my children's schools. I run my own business and I am "SHOCK" a woman in this church. I talk to my bishop and voice concerns and he listens to me and My opinion is valued and respected. I lead our church chior and am given control of the entire program for our congregational (OR sacrament) services from who speaks to what it is on to what is to be sung and who sings it for our programs at christmas time. I have held leadership positions in our Relief society and in our Young womens and I have even lead our cub scouts. So do I sound oppressed to you? Do I sound like my opinion is not important and shoved aside. Do I sound uneducated? For I am not! Education is extreamly important in our religion for all of our children. We are encouraged to learn all we can so that we can see easily when people who do not know what they are talking about can ask us and we can answer them with truth and help them know where in the bible they can find the answers to their questions if they want to. So please understand, if you truly want to know more about this church, check it out from a legit source as given before LDS.org and those other sites of this nature. I am proud of Mitt's abiltiy to give us all a reminder of what this great nation was founded upon. Maybe some should go back and learn the real stories there about men who also risked their lives and had death orders on thier head by England to sign on the declaration of independence, they knew they would either die or become their own nation, there was no other choice. Read up on it, and gain new appreiciation for that and the constitution, the one that the nation was foudned upon!

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Dee Russell Holladay, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:57:42 GMT

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Steve, Boise, ID — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:11:03 GMT

Steve, please know your facts before spreading a falsehood. Your twelve years of living among the LDS people doesn't guarantee that you know everything you need to know about the Mormons. I've been an LDS since 1971. The Church issues a receipt for every cent it gets from members or non-members. At the end of each year, we settle with our local leaders to make sure that their records show all the donations we had given the Church for the current year. Call it, 'a check and balance', if you will. Please note that local leaders, along with our general leaders in Utah do not receive any form of salary or bonus.

Annual audits are conducted by the Church's Audit Department and by INDEPENDENT public financial firms. These annual reports are presented to the general membership during General Conferences.

Leticia, Elbow Lake, MN (Sent Thursday, December 06, 2007 2:36 PM)
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Everything I said was true.

I was raised mormon (BIC), 4 year seminary grad, 2 year mission, married in the temple, attended institute, so I do know what I'm talking about when it comes to your church. You are brainwashed in a cult.

The mormon church does NOT release its finances to the members in General Conference, or any where else.
This to me is a huge warning. What do they have to hide. How about them spending over 2 billion dollars for a mall in downtown SLC, which spending the least amount in percentage in charity of any major church in the US. They have to release their finances in England, thus they got caught.

And this fantasy of 13 million members. They are lucky if they really have 4 million active. They have the worst retention rate of any church - probably about 35%. They'll keep you on record even if you haven't been in their church for 6o years, and won't take you off till you are 110 years old.

Everything about mormonism is a fraud. But what do expect from a church started by a pedophile conman.
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WE ALL HAVE OPINIONS ON EVERYTHING. WE THINK THE WORST AND BELIEVE WHAT OTHERS SAY TO BE THE TRUTH NOT JUST THEIR OPINIONS.
STEVE, BOISE: YOU FEED YOUR FLOCK. IF YOU MADE COVENANTS, ONE DAY YOU WILL STAND BEFORE YOUR MAKER AND WHEN YOU DO, WILL YOU BE PROUD OF YOUR WORDS OR WILL YOU FEEL THE HEAT?
GARY, MALAD, IDAHO (Sent Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:16 PM)
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Yelling is inpolite, find you cap key and turn it off.

As I said above, I know about your church becasue I was a member for many years before finding the truth.

Yes, the threat of a non-existant god really worries me. NOT!

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Salt Lake City — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:22:09 GMT

Somone on here said Judge mitt on his patriotism. OK I will the DRAFT DODGER went out soliciting souls in France rather than serving hs country in a time of war. Patriotic enough for ya?

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Parker — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:33:45 GMT

Everyone always complaining about religion. Who cares? Vote for the Man, not his religion...as for me hes got some decent arguments and is better suited to be Pres. than anyone else. Go Rom!

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JCL, Rockford, Illinois — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:36:47 GMT

Jeremy, San Francisco - What hole did you crawl from?

To say "that Jesus Christ walked among Native Americans (an idea that has no historical, or more importantly, linguistic or oral history tradition from ANY Native American tribe) and that there were these ancient kingdoms on the North American continent for which there is 0 archaeological evidence"

Do some research on "Quetzecoatal" el Gran Dios Blanco (The Great White God) that appeared to the ancient inhabitants of this continent. The story has past through generations of Indian tribes (Aztec). They believed that the Spanish conquistadors were that great God told by their ancestors. (Maybe that's why they fell so easily to the Spanish.). Where else would these stories come from. Also, where did all the masses of ruins in southern Mexico and central America come from? Just magically appeared I guess. Worth looking into!!!

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al sartor — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:59:27 GMT

The religion that Romney dare not speak its name?

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David Rupert, denver, co — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:20:38 GMT

You dont have to agree with theology to agree that real and authentic faith is important for our leaders.
I appreciate that he
a) has faith
b) he is passionate about it
c) he lives it out
d) and he talks about it.

I certainly don't agree with the tenents of the LDS church, but i like how he has elevated the discussion.
For an evangelical’s perspective, go to the Red Letter Believers blog at:

http://redletterbelievers.blogspot.com/2007/12/romney-speaks-out.html

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Chris, Clearfield UT — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:28:15 GMT

Romney's speech was great & hit a lot of vital areas. I see very little in Romney himself that I couldn't agree with. However, as someone who lives in UT I have a very strong distrust of the LDS church. If you live in UT and aren't a mormon you're a minority in every sense of the word. The constant presence and pressure of the church on society is overbearing. It's like nothing you'll ever see in any other state or by any other religious organization. The LDS church forces its way into every aspect of life here. Why do you think UT is the most depressed state? I vote Republican, but because he's mormon & because of that church I could never vote for him. Religeon normally isn't and shouldn't be an issue - but when it has the very real potential to influence thoughts words and deeds of an enire nation in a manner not in-line with mainstream beliefs it has to be. If you think the mormon beliefs are mainstream . . . do some research.

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Jesse — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:50:15 GMT

the disinformation that is being thrown around Mormonism in this thread is astonishing. I would say that probably 80 to 100 percent of the facts posted about Romneys faith are either outdated or flat out wrong. Its not hard to read up on Mormon doctrine. I found their website at www.lds.org.

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ll — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:29:18 GMT

I watched pathetic Mitty give that speech. He is the most insincere looking human being...no wait, Bush took that prize long ago. He is unelectable, and it has nothing to do with the cult he belongs to. It has to do with his inability to deal honestly with issues, to have a deep understanding of the complex world in which we live. But I have no respect for the mormon "church". It is only about white males, woman, and children and anyone who is not a WASP is treated as a second class citizen. I truly do not know how any thinking woman belongs to that cult.

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Anonymous — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 08:55:12 GMT

I don’t have anything against Mit Romney or his religious beliefs. I do however have a problem with fanatical religious groups who are out to prove that their imaginary friend is better than everyone else’s imaginary friend. I’m a spiritual person and believe in God but I feel that putting it in this context illuminates the fundamental problem with most organized religious, especially Mormonism.

Why do the Mormon posters here consistently accuse people of being ignorant toward their faith? Does anyone else see a pattern here? I'm sorry, but I have educated myself about Mormonism and your accusations that I haven’t only prove YOUR ignorance. I probably know more about your religion than you do – maybe YOU should do some “googling” and learn about your own faith. Not only have I read the ENTIRE book of Mormon but I have personally spoken with individuals who are active in the church. I’m not preaching hate or intolerance toward anyone or any religion; I’m merely stating facts about your religion. There are certainly positive aspects to the Mormon faith and I am not trying to take away from that. However, how can you say that we are uneducated when we present facts about the beliefs of your church, the history of the church, and how the church is currently run? No one has answered my question about why the church feels the need to run TV ads and send young boys around the country on missionary trips to try to convince other young, impressionable people that Mormonism in the only pure religion. If the Mormon faith is the true pure faith (like is stated in the book of Mormon) then why do you need to push it so strongly and why do you primarily target young people? I have had personal experience with this Mormon recruitment tactic and it was very disturbing. I was invited to go bowling followed by dinner at co-workers house who happens to be Mormon. I was greeted at the bowling ally by my co-worker and two 18 year old boys wearing button up shirts and name tags identifying them as “Elders”. Although awkward, the conversation was relatively benign until after dinner when they sat me down and preached for two hours about how I should convert to Mormonism. I asked many pointed questions about the more questionable aspects of the faith and the answers I received were either vague or the questions were dismissed altogether. When I left that evening despite thanking them for dinner and telling them that I am not interested in converting to Mormonism they insisted that I take a book of Mormon and have dinner with them again soon. I have since cut off contact with this co-worker for obvious reasons. And I am not alone in this experience – I have other friends who have had similar experiences with the Mormon faith and their questionable recruitment tactics.

If you were to poll every single religious person and ask them if they have read their religions holy text in its entirety I would be shocked if 5% actually have. This claim is substantiated by the mass amount of people who have posted here who claim to be Mormon but yet accuse people like me, who state facts about their religion, of not being educated on the subject. The irony of this accusation is that it is indeed them who are not educated about their own religion. If you think I’m hate mongering or stating things that simply aren’t true, please respond by directly addressing my comments and pointing to a credible resource (i.e. the book of Mormon or other published works) that I can reference. I will certainly recant my statements if you can prove that my claims are false.

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William, Little Rock, Ar. — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:22:20 GMT

I am not supporting Gov. Romney because he is a slick Wall Street corporate geek who is spending a lot of money trying to convince everyone that, as of today, he is a social conservative. I could care less if he is a Mormon. He reminds me of that phony John Kerry and that is not good. Remember that he thought he should call his lawyer after we are attacked. Sorry Mitt, your not the one for me.

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Jay Holiday — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:37:18 GMT

I have no problems with the Mormon relgion but I do have some concerns. I have read through this board completely and from the Mormon side it is a consistent talk of get informed get informed but when I do do it (go to websites) there is nothing to truly combat my concerns of race within the church and why did it take sooo long (civil rights era)for this to be changed and how are ppl of color viewed now in the church.. I Can remeber as a child growing up in the early 70's seeing the commercial for the LDS thinking to myself wow that's cool unbeknowst to me I would not at the time be a fully accepted member of the church because my skin tone is of a darker shade and that I am a sporn of cain. this to be reversed a few yrs later to now include me as an equal hence more ppl of color are now associated with the church.

My concern is this who is rewritting there outlook on life/the world, does this concern them, how much faith do they have in these ppl that can make a change to a religous congregation? the thing about the bible and how its taught (in other religion)is from the bible and it stories to be interpretated by a elder not from add ons from a falible person. The thing that LDS need to understand is this other religion have been around a long time and has survived 1000's of yrs and have delt with it's own bigotry from other religions but never has someone come in and said that the bible is not enough... Other religions fight because of differences on the outlook of one book the bible not add ons from a racist criminal.

If you LSD ppl want to be open and cosidered non cult I have yet since the LSD commercial seen anyone trying to openly talk about LDS even during this great opportunity with mitt running why wouldnt you want to take the op to enlighten? In this world of 15minutes of fame for the lowest of low ppl why have a LDS come to the TV station and make it clear to the world there stance.

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Steve, Boise, ID — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:55:57 GMT

Mormons have such a persecution complex, that if you say anything, especally the truth, they think you are being "anti" mormon. No, we are being pro-truth. You've seen it here in responses. People have responded that someone must have offended me, or that I wanted to sin, etc. Wrong! Lies offend me.

I was raised mormon, 4 year seminary grad, 2 year mission, married in the temple, and have studied it for 50+ years (I'm a grandfather now). I've read the Book of Mormon many times, my family used to tease me that I would be the first GA in the family.

But truth won out. If you really study the history and doctrine with an open mind you'll come to the same conclusion that I did. Its all a lie. Joe Smith was a pedophile conman.

Back to Mitt (what the nickname glove was already used), anyone who doesn't have the critical thinking skills to see this cult for what it is, is unqualified to be POTUS.

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Ray, Denver, CO — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:24:31 GMT

Il said: "But I have no respect for the mormon "church". It is only about white males, woman, and children and anyone who is not a WASP is treated as a second class citizen. I truly do not know how any thinking woman belongs to that cult."

Over half the membership of the church is not in the U.S. A large and fast-growing percentage of the membership is from Central and South America. As the membership outside the U.S. grows and matures, more of them are being asked to serve in the general leadership of the Church. You can see a similar trend in Korea, Japan and other parts of East Asia. That pretty much shoots down the "WAS" part of your "WASP" assertion.

As for the "P" part of "WASP," think about it for a minute and you'll realize how dumb it sounds. Well, maybe not. Okay, "P" stands for "Protestant." Mormons aren't Protestants.

As for "any thinking woman," it would be instructive for you to read the words of some of the thinking women who belong to "that cult" If you want to start with some famous women, try Gladys Knight. Or Sheryl Haas, Miss Netherlands 2006 and currently a law student in the Netherlands.

Then there's Sheri L. Dew, an editor and publisher who in 2003 was appointed by the White House to be part of the U.S. Delegation to the Commission on the Status of Women, at the United Nations.

Author Shannon Hale ("The Goose Girl," "Enna Burning," and others) is a "thinking woman" you could talk with. Or Kristen Randle ("Breaking Rank," "The Only Alien on the Planet").

Angela Buchanan was Treasurer in the Reagan White House. (And the late Ivy Baker Priest was Treasurer in the Eisenhower White House.)

Since you "truly do not know how," I've just given you a list of "thinking women" whose writings can help you to understand "how any thinking woman belongs to that cult."

Now: are you willing to examine the other Christian churches in America through the same lens you used to view the Mormons? Look around you! In spite of what they may say, most of them are run by white males -- WASPs -- the women are assigned secondary roles, and the children are tolerated, entertained or ignored. (I know this because I talk with their children.) All of the self-proclaimed Christian churches who treat women and children this way cite Biblical precedent. Now, using the same criteria as you just used on the Mormons, how much respect do you have for these other churches?

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Steve, Boise, ID — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:11:59 GMT

Ray, if I look at christianity with the "same criteria" as mormonism I would say its a fraud also. Mormonism being newer is much easier to prove false. But that said, they both are not reality based and to choose a POTUS on who sucks up to its deluted followers the most is not a good system on which to pick a POTUS.

A critcal, rational thinking person will reject all religion for what it is (as Marx said (you have to get something right once in a while)) "Religion is the opium of the masses." Its used by the powerful to oppress the masses. "Don't worry about this life, be oppressed. You'll have a better afterlife." Bull!

I reject all organized religions. Some are more blatently bad and about the money than others (like mormonism and scientology). IN fact the only difference between mormonism and scientology is the mormons have a better PR firm.

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Ray, Denver, CO — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 02:34:16 GMT

@Steve:

Actually, Marx was a little bit off base, but he couldn't have known it. Professional sports are the "opium of the masses." Marx wrote long before the NFL was created.

Anyway, the rest of your post is an interesting way to examine all religions.