Conservative reaction to Mitt's speech

Daniel, NY — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:04:43 GMT

I think the speech has the potential of making some voters feel better about Mormonism, but I overal<l wonder: People who object to Romney's faith tend to think that Mormonism is not a Christian denomination. Would they then be comfortable with Romney's general religious background influencing him? I am doubtful, as I feel the core of Romney's argument was founded on his reassuring voters that he would put Christianity's moral groundings in public life.

Full analysis of the speech and its consequences: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2007/12/romney-promises-to-put-faith-in-his.html

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Bee — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:06:02 GMT

This is a good review; the pundicts are at it again.

Conservative reaction to Mitt's speech

Joe, Lehi, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:07:59 GMT

That was superb! We are electing a President, not a religious leader. It was very cogent, clement, and to the point. This is the kind of leader we need; someone who will not leave his religious convictions because of polls. Clinton thinks by polls, Romney by thinks by morals and conviction. Huckabee only likes some religion while Romney is in support of religion because it makes a nation greater. His quotes of Adams backed that very well. Everything Mitt Romney touches prospers!

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Sara, Iowa — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:09:36 GMT

Mitt Romney just won my vote.

Conservative reaction to Mitt's speech

Rhoda — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:14:36 GMT

That was very petty of Sullivian.

Clearly in the first instance Romeny was speaking about there being a plurality of religions and having a litmus test is not necessary to serve; in the second he feels SOME form of faith is necessary to lead this country. The two ideas are not incompatible

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WakeWashington — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:14:41 GMT

The speech may not hurt Huckabiuliani, but it's not going to help their team efforts in the early states.

It may be overshadowed by stories on kinfolk to a murder victim blaming Huckabee for a Missouri killing.

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Jared, New York, NY — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:14:48 GMT

C'mon Mr. Sullivan, you know you took that comment out of context. The entire speech was focused on how Romney IS a person of faith, but his personal convictions and religious persuasions and affiliations will NOT determine political decisions. That is simply poor, yellow journalism.

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George Sears, Cedar City, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:18:07 GMT

Well, the more interesting question is the relationship of secular society to religion, not 'faith' in the abstract. We're still basically a secular society. The question he seems to 'answer' might be the wrong question. You have to ask what the trend to secularism brings.

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Jason, Modesto, CA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:19:11 GMT

Andrew Sullivan has it all wrong. Saying "We need to have a person of faith lead the country" is in no way opposite of the first quote. It's not a flip-flop.

He was speaking in the more recent quote about being all-inclusive and not judging a candidate by which faith he chooses.

In the February quote, he is speaking to the need to have someone of faith as leader. He did not say "We need to have a Mormon" he did not say "We need to have a Methodist" he simply said "of faith"... which is completely in sync with his other statement.

Someone was trying to hard to find a flip-flop I think. Nice try, Mr. Sullivan.

I do agree that he left out Agnosticism, though I don't feel offended by it. I simply think it fell outside of the scope of the point he was trying to make.

And as far as Atheism goes... "No Faith"? I think Atheism is technically a faith. Agnostics who shrug and say "who knows, who cares?" have no faith. Atheists believe that there is no god... believing in something that can neither be proven or disproven scientifically = faith. :P

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Anonymous, Salt Lake City, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:19:18 GMT

Sullivan-
It doesn't seem to me that Romney is flip-flopping on faith. I interpret those two statements as saying no person should be accepted or rejected based solely on their religion, but Romney believes a religious person (of any kind) should lead our country.

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fred pearce cairo, ga — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:19:32 GMT

What Romney has done by giving a speech on faith and by calling himself a Christian has been to send me and many other evangelicals scurrying to the internet, searching out basic Mormon beliefs and tenets, and the news isn't good-for Romney. Why? Because if you obscure, mask, lie,or attempt to deceive the public about your most important and most deeply-held relationship, with God, how can we trust anything that comes out of your mouth? We did not ask for this speech;it was thrust upon us. We simply have evaluated it and found it to be lacking.

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Claude Ouellette, Merrimack,NH. — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:21:44 GMT

If some have questioned his faith because he is a Mormon, why don't they also question Obama's? Is it because Christian Conservative Republicans have values and high standards while most liberal democrats have none?

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Bob Smith, Magna, UT — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:22:04 GMT

Andrew Sullivan missed the point of Romney's speech. He was saying that having faith is important to a person being elected to the office of President. The aggregate of how his faith is what defines him, though, not the faith itself. Your Muslim neighbor probably has similar beliefs to you, while Osama Bin Laden probably does not. The same thing applies when comparing a Christian skinhead to a Christian moderate. Although Romney's faith might differ from yours, he probably has very similar core values to what you believe. So the aggregate of what his faith is what defines him and should be weighed, not the faith itself.

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Desperate, Overland Park KS — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:22:21 GMT

I am almost positive that he(Romney) would not suggest atheists should be allowed into office.

Funny thing is that most atheists would have more in common with our founding fathers (who were deists) than evangelical nutbags have in common with our founding fathers.

Look it up, our founding fathers were deists. They did not believe in a personal God (the God of Christianity, the God that talks to you, and metals in affairs i.e. Pat Robertson claiming the amount of homosexuals in America has something to do with terror attacks or natural dissasters).

Conclusion, because of the religious nonsense that currently exists in America due to all of the fear and propoganda in the media following 9/11, OUR FOUNDING FATHERS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE ELECTED TO OFFICE IN PRESENT DAY AMERICA.

This truly is not the country they envisioned. Thank you to all of the ignorant Christians out there for ruining our countries. By the way, your overly emotional and bigoted fixation on abortion and homosexuality turns out to be a little less important than things like...oh I don't know... WAR ... or the economy.

Good job guys. You screwed it up again. Do us all a favor and stay home next year.

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Brad, West Palm Beach, FL — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:23:39 GMT

Did you guys even watch the speech? He just said freedom and religion go hand in hand - that you can't have one without the other. Why then would he include agnostics/atheists, i.e., those without religion? It would undermine his entire position? He practically based his entire speech on the premise that America's loss of religion, and the corresponding numbers of non-religious people, directly threaten the country's ability to remain free. I'm not suggesting that he's right or wrong, only that it was no oversight that he failed to include agnostics/atheists - he purposely did NOT include them because they apparently are the products of a decaying, increasingly immoral nation.

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David Rupert — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:24:53 GMT

The Red letter Believers have an evangelical's perspective.

Go to http://redletterbelievers.blogspot.com/2007/12/romney-speaks-out.html

to read this thoughtful reaction to an honest display of faith

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Perry, NYC — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:24:55 GMT

"the failure to mention agnostics and atheists was an oversight... The thrust of the speech was that all believers are good, all believers are Americans. That's a nice sentiment and its message of inclusion would encompass Hindus. But would it encompass non-believers? I'm sure Romney himself would say it would if asked."

No, he would be very annoyed at being asked & would evade the issue as much as possible. Because he probably doesn't feel that non-believers are as "good" and "American" as are believers, but can't come right out & say it. But he risks the ire of the Christian right he's pandering to w/this speech if he says non-believers are as good as believers. They don't wanna hear from that!

(spoken BTW by a believer, but without the pinheaded political views of some of my cohorts)

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Dave, Tn — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:29:04 GMT

Have only heard bits and pieces from the speech. Did he mention The Church of GoreBull Warming?

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Spud, Delmont, PA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:29:23 GMT

I grow tired of republicans committed to "America's values" That is just a buzz phrase that's meant to tell their supporters that they're values are right, and Democrats do not support "America's values"
Just what we need, republicans deciding what "America's values" truly are and are not.

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Bob Hutton — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:31:00 GMT

Conservative reaction to Mitt's speech

Barbara C., Pompano Beach, FL — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:36:23 GMT

I thought the speech was done very well and I am not a supporter of the GOP. I think the timing was right, and Romney did well for himself.

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Celeste Greig, Northridge, California — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:38:04 GMT

Gov. Romney speech was absolutely brilliant, elocuent,
passionate, convencing, articulate and full of patriotism.
He look very Presidential, ala John Kennedy and Ronald Reagan, it remind me of President Reagan's speech of "tear down this wall" (the Berlin wall).
Religion should NOT be a litmus test for a candidate, unless is a religion that advocates violence, hatred, murder and destruction of the human race or a nation, in particular our own Country.

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Eileen McDaniel Northville, MI — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:39:07 GMT

What a wonderful, inspiring American speech. If you do not support Mitt, pretend for a moment your candidate gave the speech and how you would feel. He reminded me again of why I love this country. Of course, as Americans we must dissect, criticize and belittle. Maybe we should be inspired to work together and rise above. How can we expect more of our politicians than what we do as citizens. Thank you Mitt for inspiring me to be better and expect more. You have my vote.

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Ed Luckenbill — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:39:20 GMT

I do not believe anything politicians say. His faith does have a conflict of interest. The morman religion states that they are the true religion. They are involed in alot of compaines, how do we know he will not favor his church interests.

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Jack, Cambridge, MA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:40:03 GMT

"Best political speech of the year?"

We've set the bar awfully low.

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Bruce, NV — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:40:15 GMT

Mark,

Would ANY republican consider Sullivan a conservative? Besides taking glee in bashing conservatives and their opinions, what would make ANYONE consider Andrew a conservative?

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Rick, WS, NC — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:45:11 GMT

You'll hvae to pardon me if I pass on the republican view of american values...especially the ones that include war, torture and a steady march backward in civil and legal rights...this is the party who will protect the unborn today and gleefully execute them in 14 years..uh huh great values

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Desperate, Overland Park KS — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:45:32 GMT

OUR FOUNDING FATHERS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE NOMINATED IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY. REPUBLICANS ARE EITHER RELIGIOUS NUTS OR GREEDY WAR MONGERS.

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cs — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:46:25 GMT

www.mormon.org

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Jon, Chicago — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:47:30 GMT

I agree Spud. I am a Dem and an athiest, but that doesn't make me immoral. It just means that I don't believe that a snake can talk or that a man built an ark not only big enough to hold 2 of every animal, but that he was able to gather 2 of every species from the 4 corners of the earth, or that someone can walk on water or change that water into wine. The Greeks used to tell similar stories about things they didn't understand. Today we call that Greek Mythology.

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Dan Maloy, Enid, OK — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:47:45 GMT

To Andrew Sullivan....

To be blunt, Andrew, you are BLIND!!! Romney is NOT "flip-flopping" when he said earlier that "a person should not be elected because of his faith" and then in his speech today (6 Dec in TX) that "we need to have a person of faith lead the country". In the first quote he is clearly speaking about a PARTICULAR religion, ie, Baptist, Catholic, Pentacostal or Moromon, etc. In today's speech his reference to "faith" is OBVIOUSLY referring to the more GENERAL IDEA of having faith in God. Are you even TRYING to understand what Romney says or do people in the media not do that anymore? What freaking amazes me is that when I clicked on the hyperlink embedded in your oh so brilliant perception of Romney's speech today I found the following George Orwell quote blazed across the top of YOUR beloved "The Daily Dish"....quote, "To see what is in front of one's nose needs a constant struggle". Ya think??!?!?!?!?!? If you are a man of REAL character you would immediately retract your statement and issue an apology to Romney.

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pat huntington ny — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:49:06 GMT

The last thing I want is a REpublican dictating to me what my values should be. First, they are a sorry bunch of bathroom sex addicts. Second, they are hypocrits! Third, since when should gov't be in the business of telling me what I should value and not value! Isn't one of the inalienable rights described in the Dec. of Ind. the right to pursue happiness? Obviously the conservative movement in this country is only happy if forces the rest of us to live like them. Hmmm, sort of like communism!

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Desperate, Overland Park KS — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:49:13 GMT

Dave, by that do you mean the church of science. We have George's reign of terror for the past 7 years guided by his Christian faith. I'd love to see how effectively an atheist or deist governed based on science and reality. Care to try it out? Oh wait we already did when our nation was founded. It's a shame America has since been hijacked by the diluted and irrational. Pick up a history book.

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Shane, Buffalo, NY — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:50:14 GMT

Regarding Sullivan's quote: There's a difference between a person of faith and a person of a CERTAIN faith. You're equivocating on "faith" doesn't constitute a flip-flop by Romney.

I think Romney is exceptional. He should be our leader.

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John B, Des Moines, IA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:52:04 GMT

"If some have questioned his faith because he is a Mormon, why don't they also question Obama's?" Why would you? He's been a member of the same United Church of Christ congregation for over 20 years.

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sick of "washington" — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:53:52 GMT

I find Ed Morrissey's comment about not convincing people "disinclined to vote for Mormons" puzzling. How exactly could you convince someone that makes a choice on such shallow standards?

Also, the "non-believers" comments from National Review are puzzling as well. If "non-believers" have a desire to be "grouped", then aren't you now part of a religion?

I choose no label. Others may want to label me as 'atheist' or 'agnostic' or 'faithless'. But those labels are neither fair nor right. I understand people's desires to be 'included', to feel valued, but it is simply misguided. To hear a so called conservative be angry or discouraged that he "didn't include" a certain group or another is simply disturbing. They're basically defining a conservative form of political correctness. Their comments are just as misguided as liberal feelings about prayer in public because "might offend" someone.

I believe that everyone has their own moral compass to steer by. Mitt's use of faith for guidance doesn't mean that we both couldn't end up with the same morality. We just used different routes.

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Bill Edwards — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:55:04 GMT

It is unfortunate that the conservative U.S. population is so polarized on this issue of religion and faith, and the non-religious so frightened of it, when there are so many other issues on the table that substantially outrank it. It would seem that once again the process of selecting a President has been reduced to the lowest common denominators of Religion, sex appeal, or lack thereof, charisma, money spent, and the right connections in powerful places.
There is a war going on in Iraq that isn't being properly dealt with while draining the Bank in the process. There are millions of Americans, and especially children who lack essential medical coverage because the already filthy rich want to get even richer, and anything that remotely smells like an affordable guaranteed medical services plan would compromise that.
Billions upon billions of dollars are being spent, with billions more being asked for in the search for cures for numerous illnesses and afflictions such as Alzheimers, Parkinsons, various cancers, heart desease, and yadda-yadda without any significant break-throughs coming to light. Doesn't that make you just a little suspicious? It certainly makes me suspicious. After all of the money that's been spent on research, precious little has come of it. Why? Perhaps there's no profit in cure, but plenty in treatment? Hmmmm. Makes me wonder.
Far too many children are recieving inadequate educations, thereby compromising the U.S. ability to remain competitive in a Global economy.
Departments of Social Services and other groups have so eroded the right of the parent to raise the child that we are now on the verge of creating a second generation of spoiled brat kids without boundaries, or sense of duty and moral responsibility. Parents are afraid to punish their children, or to be strong guides in their lives, because of Ultra-Leftists and Social Workers who get in their way.
Millions of people are losing their homes due to the Real Estate meltdown, and the sub-prime loan scandal, yet I hear nothing of the criminal element who sucked these people in to begin with being subject to prosecution for what are, or should be obvious crimes and fraudulent acts. Same goes for the Credit Card industry.
Crime, both property and violent is increasing in leaps and bounds without any restraint. Why are people committing these crimes? Especially the violent ones?
Why aren't government and business leaders coming to the realization that people are now so stressed financially, with job security, with medical coverage, with increased war costs, higher taxes, and in the case of men fighting for there own family rights, so diminished in the eyes of the law and courts that the only avenues left to them are criminal and/or violent as outlets for their senses of loss and inadequacy.
I'm surprized we haven't heard violent horror story upon violent horror story about those who have lost not only homes they had dreamed of owning, but their credit ratings and everything else, including in some cases, marriages and families. I'd like to know who's successfully keeping the lid on those stories.
I've spoken with numerous Americans who are far more concerned with the perception of Americans abroad and throughout the world than they are about whether or not a future President adheres to Evangelical Christian tenets.
Consider the reputation your current President, a so-called good, strong, moral Christian has created for the American people in this world. Not a pleasant thought, is it? To say the least, his brand of Christianity is disturbing, and almost has roots in the Roman Catholic attitude toward Gnostics and Cathars in Medieval Europe. " Burn them all. Let God sort them out."
George junior has certainly done little to bolster my faith in mainline conservative, Evangelical Christianity, who seem to have forgotten to ask themselves, "What Would Jesus Do?".
Jesus certainly wouldn't be bombing anyone, ruining his reputation throughout the world, denying the basics of medical coverage and sound education to children and others, or allowing greedy bankers, oil barons, credit card issuers, and all other selfish people to function without consequence.
Nor would he be very tolerant of the Preacher with the Rolex, the Rolls Royce, the Streamliner Private Jet, the mansions, and total contempt for their own interpretation of Non-Believers.
It also amazes me how many of those same people seem to have skipped over the Biblical Passage, " Judge not, lest thou be judged likewise."
The American people have far more important things to consider than whether or not Gov. Romney is a Mormon. I've dealt with a number of Mormons in my life, and you know what? I Like 'Em, even though I'm not one myself. They are generally to be found highly moral, honest, caring , devout toward family, and lasting friends to both Mormons and non-Mormons alike.
Consider this. The late Howard Hughes employed Mormons to handle his financial affairs. Why? He clearly stated himself that they could be trusted not to rip him off. Try saying that about more than a handful of Evangelical Christians we've had in the press over the years for everything from soliciting prostitutes to outright theft, and high living on the generous contributions of a lot of people who really can't afford to lose a dime.
Another thing. Old Mitt is still married to wife # 1.
Have a nice day America.

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Marian — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:55:57 GMT

The message, in its entirety, was truly inspiring to me. I felt wonderful at several times during the speech. I have withheld my opinion for months as I have tried to honestly evaluate the candidates but I can hold back no longer. This is one Iowan who will vote for Romney. What an opportunity America has to finally instill a man of honesty, integrity, and capability into the office of presidency. I too will pray for Romney's and America's success.

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Bob,phoenix,Az. — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:58:04 GMT

Mormons beliefs are:

They believe in Gods ( yes plural)

They believe if you are a good mormon when you die you become a god and get your own planet.

They believe the God of earth was a regular man on another planet and he resides near a star called KOLOB

They have special handshakes and secret names so they can find each other after they die.

They wear special secret underwear with secret religious symbols sewn into them that protect them from bullets and other bad things.

All of the following and more are FACTS and can be researched in the 3 books they have the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Book of the Law of the Lord.

The Bible is the forth book they use and when Mormon beliefs don't agree with the Bible they say that passage was interpreted wrong.

P.S. They say that Jesus had multiple wives when he was on earth.

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Joey, Provo, UT — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:58:58 GMT

Sullivan is obviously biased and a simply hateful man. He is just like the "Bible bashers" who find joy in taking a single verse of scripture out of context and ignore the rest of Holy Writ in order to spin things to their point of view. He knows the meaning of those quotes and he knows he is wrong.

"There are some who may feel that religion is not a matter to be seriously considered in the context of the weighty threats that face us. If so, they are at odds with the nation's founders, for they, when our nation faced its greatest peril, sought the blessings of the Creator."

It sounds to me by Sullivan's own flawed and, truthfully, lame logic, he did not need to go back to February for a "flip-flop". There was one just a few paragraphs away.

He was obviously not listening to the speech for insight, but rather to find something in Romney's own words to ensnare and trap him.

Sullivan is a prime example of why this speech is sadly needed in America today.

"That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;" Eph 4:14

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Tom G — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:21:03 GMT

Spud, you apparently believe that having no values is the solution? Taking a stand to have no values is actually your choice of values. There is this big lie floating around that there are either believers or non-believers in values or in religion. The fact is, you are a believer in being a non-believer. Everyone believes something. Atheism is a conviction to you. We as a people ought to decide where our values are before the subtlety of those who believe in non-values convert the rest of us to their religion of apathy.

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Carol Neese, Columbia, SC — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:23:27 GMT

His speech answered nothing much about his Mormon beliefs...as I understand, Mormons belive Jesus was a son of God...not THE SON of God. His dishonesty about hiring illegal immigrants flies in the face of all his rhetoric about faith and values. His recent "firing" of the landscaper was just a political ploy. If he lived what he believes, his beliefs would be more tranparent through his words and deeds, eleiminating the needs for him to haev aver given this speech.

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Dan Maloy, Enid, OK — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:25:26 GMT

To Andrew Sullivan....

To be blunt, Andrew, you are BLIND!!! Romney is NOT "flip-flopping" when he said earlier that "a person should not be elected because of his faith" and then in his speech today (6 Dec in TX) that "we need to have a person of faith lead the country". In the first quote he is clearly speaking about a PARTICULAR religion, ie, Baptist, Catholic, Pentacostal or Moromon, etc. In today's speech his reference to "faith" is OBVIOUSLY referring to the more GENERAL IDEA of having faith in God. Are you even TRYING to understand what Romney says or do people in the media not do that anymore? What's absolutely ironic is that when I clicked on the hyperlink embedded in your oh so brilliant perception of Romney's speech today I found the following George Orwell quote blazed across the top of YOUR beloved "The Daily Dish"....quote, "To see what is in front of one's nose needs a constant struggle". Ya think??!?!?!?!?!? If you are a man of REAL character you would immediately retract your statement and issue an apology to Romney.

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Nathan, Provo, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:27:37 GMT

If you really want to find out what Mormons (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) believe, then find out from the source:
www.mormon.org

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Rafael Lopez — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:29:56 GMT

Nor Republicans nor Democrats decide what true Americans values are. But you have to be commited to some "values" to run for president. America has "values" already. Those values could be destructives or constructives. And we should be mature enough to know what those values are. A true leader should be also able to sell those values to the american people as constructive values.

The previous writer doesn't even know the difference between "they're" and "theirs", less about "values".

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lynn,los angeles,ca — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:31:28 GMT

Judge the man(Mitt Romney)by the way he's lived his life. He's probably lead a better "Christian" life than most Evangelicals who judge him. --- Hillary Clinton can call herself a Christian, and would that be enough to convince Evangelical voters? I thought most Evangelicals judged Hillary on Hillary.

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Ariane, Orem, UTAH — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:31:30 GMT

I appreciate Romney's speech and the points he was trying to bring across. I think Romney has made room in his speech for everyone of all beliefs, including those who choose not to believe in God. It's tiring to me that Americans choose to attack each other for their life styles, whether they be gay, black, white, muslim, athiest, happy, sad or MORMON! What is so wrong with believing in a high power and living a moral life? Heaven forbid that we employ our freedom to make our own choices. I have not always been a fan of Romney, but more power to him for defending his faith but not feeling inclined to explain his religion. If you're curious about Mormons, use the internet. Let Romney focus on political issues.

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Don Jewell Pocatello, Idaho — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:32:31 GMT

I would certainly feel comfortable having Romney as president of the United States. It would please me to know that my leader would be praying to our Heavenly Father and asking direction in making decisions about my country.

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Terry Stover — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:32:53 GMT

Romney's speech was just what all of us needed to hear. He eased my mind alot and gave me reason to vote for him.....religion and freedom do go together in our nation! I am one Presbyterian who will not be afraid to support Gov. Romeney...a religious man of courage, conviction, and honesty.

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Ray of Light — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:35:03 GMT

There will be NO Peace in the world until we rid it of all religions and religious leaders.....
God is Love

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Duane, Baltimore MD — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:35:45 GMT

I think it is simply insane that people think only a person of faith, of any religion, is qualified to lead this, or any other country. Are we a country full of religious fanatics on par with those in the Middle East and Africa!

Nowhere is it said, that only a religious person can be humane. Hitler was a Catholic, and the Catholic church still hasn't excommunicated any Nazi war criminals. Mormonism sanctioned slavery, and only viewed Black people, Black Americans, as human, because of threat over losing their tax exempt status. Most religions endorse slavery, murder, classism, mysogyny, elitism, child abuse, and a host of other human indignities...even murder, and you tell me that only a religious person is qualified to be a leader. This country is sicker than I thought it was. Religion should be a personal decision. It should not be used to dictate policy to a pluralistic society. I am not religious, but I am a tax paying American. I donate money and time to causes. I work hard, and I am a good human being. I don't need rituals or a book to tell me how to be a decent human being. I don't need a big white dude in the sky guiding my actions, I am a big boy, and I know right from wrong. I am also not going to feel guilty about those things that I like to do, and those things that make me human.

Religion wants everyone to respect them, and to accept them, but they don't want to respect people that don't want to be influenced by their sickness and criticism. Get a life. We have a nut job Jesus freak in office right now...What makes him different than the Allah freak in Iran? Nothing...If all it takes is faith to be president of the US...we are really lowering the bar for any insane asylum to produce our future leaders...sick!

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David, Sacramento, California — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:45:09 GMT

Why are people like Fred Pearce so intent on telling Mormons and the rest of the world what they "think" that Mormons believe? My guess would be that Fred has never actually asked a Mormon this question, but has instead chosen to listen to his church leaders or other non-Mormom "friends" rather than seeking the information for himself. I have a pretty good good idea what Mitt Romney believes and I definately know what I believe, and therefore I am sure that those beliefs are much closer to Fred's beliefs than others would want him to know.

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John, Somerset, NJ — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:45:49 GMT

America is suppossed to be about Freedom From Religion or freedom to practice your own religion and be left alone by the government and majority. I do not see how freedom and religion are logically linked in any way as Mitt Romney tried to link them. Extremely religious countries, like the muslim world, are less free because the dominant religion dictates laws and public discourse.

Sorry Mitt, you swung and missed on your speech. Those of us who want to live free will avoid religious zealot polticians like yourself.

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John, Somerset, NJ — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:46:00 GMT

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PBarton — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:53:14 GMT

The mormon religion is a cult. Mr Smith discovered some tablets in upstate NY, thus the bases of the religion. Africans are cursed, multiple wifes, Indians are the lost tribe of Isreal. Please I could find a tablet at a storage facility auction and make up my own religion. PS dont drink the kool aid america.

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Christian Mount Athos, WA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:57:46 GMT

I don't think that Baptists are Christians either. They are baptists. They do not follow the traditions that Christ did. They read the bible and interpret it their way. There is a big difference. There is no apostolic succession or holy tradition in the baptist religion. How can it be the same religion as the one Christ founded if it was founded by someone other than Christ? I don't think that either Baptist or Mormoms are Christians. They are Baptists with the religion founded by some guy. What annoys me about baptists is that they think they are the only true christians (they don't even think Catholics and Orthodox Christians are Christian). The Orthodox Christian religion was founded by Christ and handed down by apostolic succession through holy tradition with no change whatsover from the religion that Christ founded. The baptist religion was founded by some person long after Christ founded Christianity and it interprets Christianity on its own terms, it does not follow the holy tradition handed down by Christ.

I would prefer that the president be either an atheist or not bring any part of his religion into the job. Any person of faith is not the right person for the job of president if they are prefer one faith to another and allow that preference to make judgments for everyone. It doesn't matter what the president's religion is unless (s)he bases decisions on that religion. It seems that some think that the laws and leaders of this country should force evangelical christian doctrine on everyone. That's absurd. The only things that matter to evangelicals anyway are abortion and homosexuality and voting for Republicans. They are intolerant of other faiths, even true Christian faiths. I don't think Muslims believe in abortion either, but it is legal in this country.

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Jim MacArthur — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:58:46 GMT

Romney has a history of being an includer. He is trying to broaden the spectrum and work with everyone he can. He is not agains evangelicals like they appear to be against him. So, only an evangelical can be President to satisfy them? Well, it isn't going to happen. Romney will listen to evangelicals and is a good religious person. Give him a chance and quit all this religious bigotry. Jim MacArthur, Orem, Utah

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Lynn, Millington — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:04:25 GMT

I love Andrew Sullivan and he is always consistent in this comments and views, so stop bashing him.

I also really like Mitt Romeny's speech, I just hope he is sincere. I'm a Pentecostal Fundamentalist Christian who believes that there should be no litmus test on higher office.

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PBarton, St Louis, MO — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:05:32 GMT

You can expect Americans to put their faith in anyone who puts their faith in the hands of Mr Smith who supposedly found some tablets in Upstate NY. Its a cult.

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Big Max; Boise, Idaho — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:07:39 GMT

Mitt's speech was AMERICAN INSPIRATIONAL and in order to see it's meaning you have to look at the "big picture" not regional & personal conflicts of your perceptions. VALUES are needed in making decisions and being consistent in our daily lives. Religion helps us to understand the "big picture" and cements our values. Way to go Mitt!

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Ray of Light — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:13:44 GMT

It is not necessarily that we get "rid" of religions and religious leaders. The point is, if we are to have Peace on Earth we as a civilization must "Go Beyond" all religions and religious leaders. The religious "Masters" were giving directions, not holding up Stop Signs.

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Mike, Hermosa Beach, CA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:14:45 GMT

Sure, Mitt, your brand of faith doesn't matter when running for president. It only matters when you need to exclude them from your cabinet, i.e., a Muslim.

Mitt Romney: pathetic pandering hypocrisy.

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Desperate, Overland Park KS — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:14:55 GMT

Can any of you Republicans out there answer to this...
OUR FOUNDING FATHERS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE NOMINATED IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY.

It is irrefutable.

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Marty CR Iowa — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:17:16 GMT

All very interesting and planned to inform us about his faith? Hundreds of thousands of Americans lost through the years defending freedom? Being a CO in a faith of not taking up the hard job of actually defending those principals. WW2 taught me the lesson. I lost 2 brothers, fighting countries that wanted to take away my freedom. He talks a good talk, but could he , in good faith, make the order to defend the people? All the prayers in the world, regardless of your belief, will not stop that bullet or bomb, from the people that want to take away your freedom. I do pray, and believe that every person has a right to their own beliefs but not at the expense of mine. This is not a Rep or Dem thing to argue about at all, any person that will become my President will put my safty and freedom first. If my brothers can die for that freedom, then I want the rest of you to defend it also in any manner it takes.

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Desperate, Overland Park KS — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:21:50 GMT

Be careful Ray of light. True, religions are the most infectious disease that exist, but like curing a disease it is better to let the ill die off and practice behaviors that don't lead you or others to get ill.
If you suggest killing the disease itself you have to off quite a few folks and that becomes off-putting and is also referred to as holy war.
Religious quackery is so nutty, but we cannot justify it and make ourselves look bad by getting rid of them. We need to let religion run it's natural course as it is doing and allow it to go the way of the dinosaur.

Only if we could design a condom that prevents infection from religion. Thoughts?

A brain...
Books...
Memory...
Reason/Logic...
Science...

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jerry/corpsu christi texas — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:23:23 GMT

right on don, the current president got god's guidance on iraq, iran and his incompetent response to issues facing america.

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Gary, Cedar Rapids, Iowa — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:23:31 GMT

I am uncomfortable with Willard "Mitt" Romney because he is a member of a religious tradition that is historically (and almost ontologically) racist and mysogynist. I realize that racism has been a part of many religious traditions. However, most of those traditions were not dogmatically racist. I am also aware that a great many religious traditions have been and continue to be sexist. For that reason I am less than entirely comfortable with candidates who are deeply rooted in denominations and faith groups that exclude woman from full participation in the religious community. Thus, when factoring religious background into my voting decisions those with Southern Baptist, Mormon, Missouri Synod Lutheran, Roman Catholic, and fundamentalist evangelical connections give me pause. All things being equal I'd prefer a United Church of Christ, ELCA Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, or Episcopalian.

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Frank Davis — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:24:57 GMT

Regarding Bob's list of Mormon beliefs above:

Uh, no. Not even close. It's misinformants such as you that make people question the LDS view; it is a very tough thing to counteract ignorance.

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Bob Thomas, Decatur, Illinois — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:26:11 GMT

Apparently Sullivan does not understand the English language. He couldn't have been more clear nor consistent on what he said. The speech was simply magnificent! I was amazed that even some of the tv pundits were a little emotional after watching it! Go Mitt Romney!!! You're the best man I've ever seen running for President!!!

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Mike, Hermosa Beach, CA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:27:47 GMT

"Have only heard bits and pieces from the speech. Did he mention The Church of GoreBull Warming?" - Dave, Tn

Human-induced global warming is a theory accepted with at least 90% certainty by the overwhelming majority of the world's top scientists in relevant fields - like climatology, atmospherics, and meteorology.

Hating all Gore is up to you but understand that denying the scientific consensus on global warming doesn't make you a bona fide conservative...

http://truthalert.net/Green%20Libertarian%20Nationalism.htm#_Toc183353745

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Mike, Washington — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:36:00 GMT

Mitt seemed honest and spoke with conviction. I believe him on this one. It takes guts to not back down from his religion when so many around bash and accuse him based upon it.

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Desperate, Overland Park KS — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:36:00 GMT

jerry is that really you? Are you saying that you don't believe in Republican's religious quackery.

Let me say first that I'm shocked but somehow pleased in regards to your post. There may be hope for you yet.

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Bruce Warner, Sandy, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:37:37 GMT

I hope that we all will consider carefully all of the candidates and select the best one according to his/her character, proven ability and overall positions to provide a strong balance of doing no harm and doing the best to bring people together to solve our multiple problems. We should realize that being bankrupt in our ethics in many circles has cost us real money and stagnation in many fronts of our society. Just think of Enron, Worldcom, etc. Just think of the endless bickering in Congress! They are really getting little done. We do have real threats to our futures and the futures of our children and grandchildren. At this point I don't know who I would vote for, but Mitt appears to me on solid grounds on the ethical front. He is impressive as a leader. I will seriously consider him from now on.

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Tom — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:42:51 GMT

An old song says, "You have to stand for something or you'll fall for anything". I have no problem with Romney standing for solid values.

Some of the comments imply that we shouldn't have a president who believes in honesty, conviction, morality, etc. How would you expect us to be civilized if all were allowed to do whatever popped into their head and had no morality or value system?

If you don't take a stand for time-proven values, you are taking a stand against those values! Gov. Romney is a proven leader and has proven to be a person of convictions. The rest of the field has not proven to me that they are of equal calibre.

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Stewart, Los Angeles, CA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:43:22 GMT

Excellent speech. He won my vote.

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Bot Thomas, Decatur, Illinois — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:44:14 GMT

Oh My Goodness Bob, from Arizona!!!!! Not one of your facts, I repeat, not one are in the books you recite. You don't even know the name of one of them, it's The Pearl of Great Price. I don't know what anti-Mormon site you got the other one from. From your remarks, its obvious that you've never read any of the books, and (2) wherever you got you info from didn't have the foggiest idea what they were talking about, or else they were outright lying.

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David Rupert — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:44:34 GMT

no peace until we are rid of religion? Hey Ray of Light -- that's anarchy! That's communism! That's PolPot. That's anhilation! If you are trusting the innate goodness of man to save you, you will be forever looking at emptiness.

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Ed, Maine — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:44:46 GMT

Comments like those of Bob from Phoenix are exactly why Mitt felt a need to go on television today. Though his speech did not exactly clear up misconceptions about Mormonism, he realized there is little one can do to counter the criticisms of those who are willfully ignorant or biased toward Mormons. Which is why he steered his theme to that of tolerance. People like Bob take overheard tidbits (usually out of context), twist them into some contorted shape, and then pass them along as "facts". Though I'm not of the Mormon faith I have relatives that are and know that almost all of the stated 'beliefs' he listed are so off whack that there is barely a shred of truth to them. Personally the patriotism portion of Mitt's speech is what inspired me. To bad the Mormon thing has to keep geeting in the way of people's opinions. I'm afraid that many conservatives are going to lose the possibility of a having a strong runner against 'Hillobama' due to their bigotry and being uninformed.

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nick, walled lake, mi — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:45:38 GMT

I love that the GOP's own issues are biting some of their best candidates in the butt. But I suppose they will forgive Mitt on this one. They didn't like Clinton enhaling but Bush got a free pass on Cocaine. This proves that the Republicans don't care about religion. They just use it to win elections.

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pat huntington ny — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:50:16 GMT

Mitt Romney was governor of Massachusettes when they started the Big Dig. Remember, the huge tunnel under Boston that was crumbling down on drivers? He signed off on the shoddy work and cheap inferior materials. This is not who we need as president.

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nick, walled lake, mi — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:51:38 GMT

Terry Stover. Didn't you learn your lession the last time you voted for a religious man?

And if Romney is so honest, how come he isn't being honest like Ron Paul?

Don Jewell, heavenly father? That's why Christians should not make fun of Mormons. Our stories are just as fairy tale ish as theirs.

And if Bush didn't teach you why we need to seperate church and state, nothing will. Bush is just as radical as the extremist muslims and extremist jewish people. They are all planning for the end of days and the holy war. That's what this Iran/Iraq thing is all about. Well, partially what it's about. Oil & $ mostly. Hypocrits.

Anyone that votes Republican is a fool. They practically murdered our constitution and country for the past 7 years and just because Bush/Chaney aren't running, doesn't mean these new batch of Republicans will be any better. They only care about corporate America. Rich Americans. You are not rich.

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Bee — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:54:56 GMT

The only problem I have with Romney is "Pandering". He gave a good speech but he panders a lot. He has changed is view on Immigration, Privacy, Iraq War and Religious tolerance (No Muslim in his cabinet).

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nick — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:55:35 GMT

I can't believe the GOP used Religion to divide America and America is not going to use it on them. I will vote for any Democrat, despite their religion. But Republicans must be Christians. And they can only be of my faith. Greek Orthodox. Especially after Bush's bible belt born again type of Christianity. Those people are scary. So the GOP better run Petraius or Tenat. I believe they are Greek Orthodox.

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CT (Dallas, Texas) — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:05:29 GMT

The fact that this speech even had to occur is pretty pathetic. Many southern preachers who try to teach Jesus love and gospel on Sunday's also teach hatred toward others they deem non-believers to their God the rest of the week. Where is the charity in that? I call on evangelicals to show their true colors and either let us know if they are biggoted or if they have true charity towards all men. If they do, religion and personal beleifs will have zero bearing on this election. Values and stances on the issues will.

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Jacob — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:23:46 GMT

This Speech could go down in history as the defining script, second only to the constitution, as to the role of religion in the United States of America. It was delivered by a man with great moral authority on the subject and the religious experience Mitt has under his belt is matched by few. He served two and a half years of unpaid service to the study of faith and the sharing of his beliefs to people of an other country. He raised a family that demonstrates a deep belief in god. He served several years as a bishop and nearly a decade as a stake president both of which were entirely unpaid and voluntary. He presided over many bishops as a stake president. Bishops in the Mormon Church are similar to pastures such as Huchabee.

This one will go down in history.

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DP, California — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:25:10 GMT

Bob of Arizona, that heat must be getting to you. For your own sake, stay indoors where it's cooler and if you really want information about the mormons go to www.lds.org

That church has done more for the good of the world than most other churches have. Sure the members are n't always perfect and not all of them look like Donny & Marie. Their humanitarian efforts alone are unmatched and the last time I checked, they're the fastest growing religion in the country if not the world. That should tell you that more people in this country are learning what the mormon church is really about and they want that for them and their families.

It is unfortunately and too common these days for people to bash churches other than their own. I would rather have people be part of a church than no church at all. Can we focus on what is really the issue here? Sure he has great hair and is a poster child for the mormon church. He is a also a quality politician and a businessman who is not willing to give up his religion just to hold the highest office. Mitt Romney is something this country could use. He is a proven leader and a man who takes his faith seriously. Imagine if his dedication to his country matched that of his dedication to his family and his faith. Now that is something this country cannot afford to pass on.

You're voting for a candidate, not a religion.

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Ben — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:25:57 GMT

An excellent and well-delivered speech by Romney. Finally, a presidential candidate with the charisma that the office deserves. Faith is fundamentally rooted in every aspect of this country.

As cited in a previous post, for those evangelicals who might be "scurrying" to the internet and searching out mormon beliefs because of Romney's speech, why not try a reliable source or information, a mormon himself. Or, why not try the church's website mormon.org. I doubt you'll find anything truthful on a website set up by an anti-mormon group. Do you also visit a liberal democratic site to find information about conservatives?

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David Rupert — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:34:46 GMT

Discussion about faith IS important. Even faith that is 'different.' That's what we are all about in this country. I dont agree with Mormon teachings, but I appreciate the fact that Romney is
1) passionate and serious about what he beleives
2) is willing to live out the tenents of his faith
3) freely talks about it.

For an evangelical's perspective, check out

www.redletterbelievers.blogspot.com

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Meg, Philadelphia, PA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:35:22 GMT

I see that the Republican establishment and the MSM have once again side tracked the political discussion with religion. Wow, people of faith are so easily manipulated into fighting with each other over their different religious beliefs.

The country is going bankrupt, the dollar is going to be devalued by the Fed when they cut interest rates again, we're still at war in Iraq, our civil liberties and our national soveriegnty are being destroyed.. but hey, let's talk Morman vs. Evangelical presidential candidates.

Once again if we just followed the Constitution, Article VI, and people of faith would act like citizens instead of acolytes when their country needed them to perform a civic duty, the political debate could return to the issues that impact all Americans.

Ron Paul 2008.

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Bronte Brussard, Seattle WA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:36:48 GMT

Romney is asking citizens who fundamentally disagree with his religious convictions to not judge him by his beliefs in his presidential actions. I find this ironic because he simultaneously will not support gays and lesbians serve in the military when their personal lives have no bearing on their professional duties. He wants it both ways. He is a flip flopper. You cant have it both ways: the same tolerance he is seeking from voters is the same tolerance all Americans seek whether it be religion, sexual preference, abortion rights, etc. What kind of US will you lead Mitt? One that is inclusive or one that is inclusive of what you believe today?

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dangitall, Grand Rapids, MI — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:37:13 GMT

This would all be a moot point if we'd stop letting special interest groups decide who we get to vote for. In this case, the religious right, who refuse to accept someone not of their mindset.

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Desperate, Overland Park KS — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:42:06 GMT

What...
Faith is fundamentally rooted in every aspect of this country.
Faith is fundamentally rooted in every problem of this country.

Open your eyes. You don't need faith

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Dan Maloy, Enid, OK — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:42:21 GMT

To Carol Neese of Columbia, S.C. who wrote......"His speech answered nothing much about his Mormon beliefs...as I understand, Mormons belive Jesus was a son of God...not THE SON of God."
Carol, you're understanding is, quite frankly, incorrect. Mormons (i.e., members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) believe that Jesus Christ is "THE" Son of God. Was he "a" son of God, yes, he was, just like you are a "daughter" of God. (Go read Romans 8:16 - 17 in which it says quite clearly that all of humanity have God as our common Heavenly Father). However, we revere and worship Jesus Christ as THE son of God, ie, the ONLY one who is our Savior and Redeemer, indeed the only one who COULD be the Savior of all mankind. Mormons do not worship Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Gordon B. Hinckley or any other Mormon figure. We worship God, the father of us all, His son, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. And, if you'll go back and watch the speech again on the internet, you'll see Mitt CLEARLY say that he is a Christian in the fact that he believes that Jesus Christ is his Savior. How do I know what Mormons believe? Because I am one and have been, by choice, for over 34 years. I debated about voting for Romney before but after watching his speech today...his wisdom, his passion and patriotism for our great country, he just won my vote for good! Good luck making your decision as well.

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John C. Lawrence — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:42:46 GMT

Mormonism is not Christianity. It is a deceptive cult. The very first Supreme Court Justice, John Jay, said, "Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers". I'm with him. I would never vote for Mitt Romney.

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Bruce, NV — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:45:30 GMT

I wonder what country Bill Edwards lives in. Doesn't sound like this one. Meanwhile, the so-called Ray of Light proves the lack of morality in the non-religious.

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John C. Lawrence — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:45:49 GMT

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Dan Maloy, Enid, OK — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:52:07 GMT

To Bob in Phoenix, AZ....
The Mormons' fourth book of scripture is not called "the book of the Law of the Lord" but instead is called "The Doctrine and Covenants". And....almost all your other statements about beliefs held by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is incorrect, particularly your claim that Mormons believe that Jesus was married to multiple wives while he was here on the earth. There is NO official Mormon position or doctrine on Jesus' marital status while He lived on the earth. Please do not say otherwise because it isn't true. If you or anyone else wants to know what members of the LDS church believe, please go to mormon.org and learn for yourself. Signed, A 34 year practicing Mormon.

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Lesli, Syracuse, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:55:12 GMT

Voting for or against Mitt Romney because of his faith, is as fundamentally wrong as not voting for Hillary Clinton because of her gender, or Barack Obama because of the color of his skin. As AMERICANS we have a Constitutional obligation to vote based on who it is we feel is best qualified to hold office. Test yourself on the issues, are you for or against abortion, same sex marraige? What about the war in Iraq? Where do you stand as an American? Religious descrimination should not factor into the American voting process. In America it is against the law to hire or fire someone based on any of the following clasifications: Race, Sex, Religion, Age, and Disability. If you believe in this practice of equallity, then as an American you owe it to yourselves, and your country to vote solely on who is the most qualified for the job. I know I will look at the issues that I hold dear, I will pray about them, and then I will vote accordingly. And in no way will my vote be influenced by my evangelical beliefs, because I am not voting for a new Pastor, I am voting for President of the United States.

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Scott Chandler, AZ — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:56:15 GMT

Mitt Romney took a lemon and made lemonade today. He is a great man and I am could not be more proud of him. Whats even more powerful is what he'll do with the American Economy.

Now hopeful we can focus on the issues of the day ! And thats where you'll see Romney shine !

Scott Taylor
Chandler, AZ

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Josh — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:57:37 GMT

This is in response to Bob from Phoenix. It is because people like you that have no idea what Mormons believe that they get so much grief. I echo the words of the others who say go to www.mormon.org Romney gave a very moving speech, it won my vote and I believe strongly that the Mormons are some of the best people of faith that I have ever seen. Get your facts right.

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John Comer, Jax, Fl — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:59:51 GMT

I do not need any candidate to lecture me on religious belief, abortion, gay marriage or anything else. They need to what is best for all citizens. I do not want any President to wait on the vision from God to make a decision for the good on the country never base any decision on what would God d. Spare me from religious wack jobs.

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OBAMA in '08, Pittsburgh PA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:00:19 GMT

The problem is not Romney's religion. Except for the hardcore bible-thumping right wingers, most of America is tolerant of other faiths and beliefs. Romney's problem is his inconsistent views on issues. He has flip flopped on abortion, gays, gun rights...you name it. It would be reasonable that a candidate might experience a "road to Damascus" moment now and then. But Mitt makes St. Paul look like an amateur. He tried to out-liberal Ted Kennedy when he ran against him for the senate in 1994. Now he makes his views fit his political agenda. Slick Mitt has pandered so much that no one finds him believable anymore. A real leader does not put his finger in the air to decide where he stands on the important issues of the day. If Romney succeeds in becoming the GOP nominee in 2008, it will be a dream come true for the Democrats. Remember how the Republicans savaged John Kerry in 2004 on flip flopping? The Dems will have a field day with Mitt. His candidacy is fatally flawed! The Republicans are forced to choose from a slate of real losers this time... I see a Democrat in the White House soon so tell Dubya and Laura to start packing!

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Paul, The Woodlands, TX — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:02:45 GMT

To Bob of Phoenix, AZ:

Where do you get your information from? There is so much wrong with what you said, starting with a book called "Book of the Law of the Lord." I find it interesting that I've been a mormon my entire life and have never heard of such a book. If you really want to know what a mormon believes go to www.mormon.org.

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Missy, Ogden Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:07:05 GMT

To Bob in Phoenix Arizona: I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormon) and I was hurt by your lack of knowledge on your "facts". Before you post this nonsense on the internet, please get your facts straight. By the way, I do not believe that my garments will protect me from any sort of bullet. It is sad that this, and many other religions, are so misunderstood.

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Anthony, Gilbert, AZ — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:10:48 GMT

Fred Pearce of Cairo, GA and Bob of Phoenix:

To find out what mormons believe, all you have to do is go to an OFFICIAL church website: www.mormon.org

Fred Peace and Bob of Phoenix - you are spreading misinformation which is dishonest.

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DonB — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:11:03 GMT

I didnt listen to the speech. I dont care what he is, but I do care WHO he is and what he can - cannot do for this country. He needs a speech about that since he has been unable to be clear on too many issues.

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Clint — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:11:03 GMT

The fact the we can even comment like this is a tribute to a great country. I believe more firmly then ever that the fact that we have to dissect and find fault with every word anyone speaks, points to a Supreme Good as well as a Evil.

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John, Idaho Falls, Idaho — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:19:15 GMT

Romney cannot discuss the specifics of his religion because the premises are humorous and bizzare. Native Americans are actually lost Jews who traveled here in an enclosed boat from the Middle East. That is the whole premise of the Book of Mormon. Extensive genetic testing of native peoples has proven this to be pure nonsense. I see none of the media exploring the tenets of this "religion" with any critical analysis. As a recovering Mormon, I hope that the world will start paying attention to the oppressive, bigoted, misogynistic, anti-family aspects of this group. They divide communities and families. They suppress individual thought for group-think. If you are not a Mormon, they believe you belong to "the great and abominable church." Be afraid of them.

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Vi Wisconsin — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:21:11 GMT

Mit Romney was pandering to the Evangelicals. Freedom is separate from Religion. Religion or religious beliefs do not belong in Government. Our Freedoms orginate from the Constitution. The Constitution that Bush has almost shreded. He is the worst President this Country has experienced.. If you want to continue to shred Our Constitution elect another religious fanatic. The important issues are not being discussed. Our Dollar is almost worth nothing. People are loosing their homes. Jobs pay less because of all the out sorcing of jobs over seas. Our society is turning into to two classes of people. The poor and the rich. People can't afford health care. Gas prices are outrageous. There is not evidence of alternative work for fuel being done. Religion has nothing to do with Government. Religion is faith and it can be faith in the Earth a God or what ever gives you comfort. Faith has nothing to do with the Rule of Law. Candidates who talk of Religion will not get my vote. I want to hear about attainable goals for Health issues, Ending this Egotistical War, Alternative Fuels, Water conservation, a stable economy. Don't talk to me about Religion. Solve the real problems. Faith is a private belief, has nothing to do with Government. I am an old Conservative. Not a religious fanatic conservative, nor am I a neocon. Romney is a flip flopper. He will say anything to get into office. I don't know who I will vote for.

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AnIntelligentAlien — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:27:07 GMT

If Americans think a Christian needs to be the President, Americans are stupid, dumb and just like Talibans.

The world is laughing at American people's hypocrisy. Look at India - now that's called democracy with all religions!!

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JR NY — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:31:57 GMT

Americans wake up ! Who cares about this crap. All the repulicans are Bush clones and Reagan wana be's. We need a president who can get us out the mess this country is in. The middle class is disappearing and going broke. They are losing their homes to foreclosure. Bush suggestion will help a few lucky ones. Fix social security, fix healthcare ( medicare is in big trouble). Energy and gas prices are killing the average American. We are headed for a major recession and all the repulicans are worried about mexican laborers, a woman's right to choose and gay marriage. Oh and lets spend a few trillion more (which we don't have) and start another war with Iran or pick a country.
When will American asked themselves what they really need to help them and their families survive. Oh ! and lets not forget about affording a pill so you won't die. Yea ! I get he has faith. Now what ?

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AnAlienWhoLovesAll — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:32:21 GMT

Most Evangelicals are worst than Talibans. If you judge someone by religion, you are worst person in the world.

But as someone who loves humanity, we must love worst people too. So here, have my hugs and blessings that one day you will feel human and help humanity.

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Ray — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:50:44 GMT

"I am uncomfortable with Willard "Mitt" Romney because he is a member of a religious tradition that is historically (and almost ontologically) racist and misogynist. ... Thus, when factoring religious background into my voting decisions those with Southern Baptist, Mormon, Missouri Synod Lutheran, Roman Catholic, and fundamentalist evangelical connections give me pause. All things being equal I'd prefer a United Church of Christ, ELCA Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, or Episcopalian."

If you try digging up controversies and bigotry you can find all of that in any of those religions you just listed. Every religion has had their share of people who have corrupted the real teachings of their founder. It doesn't mean the whole is corrupt. There are good people in any religion (and non religious - cant leave them out or they get huffy) and I wouldnt hesitate to vote a Mormon, Jew, Catholic, Buddhist, Atheist, or whatever as long as I feel they are protecting my rights. If Mitt doesn't jive on that level, so be it - but don't attack his faith, its childish - its like saying my God can beat up your god.

Quite frankly whether or not Jesus visited the American continent doest really change the morals that govern Christianity or Mormonism. If you put morals on par, Mormons are much more strict in their adherence to morality than most other Christians (no drinking, smoking, swearing, etc.)

yea, you are right, Mormons are a bad influence on society.

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AnAlienAgain — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:51:38 GMT

I think we stopped talking about religion. Thank God for that:-)

Now let us find out how we can stop companies like Sprint and some of credit cards companies cheat us with too many false charges. Come on, even in Africa I dont think they charge so much. And when I called and asked them to prove it in court, they gave me a $200 discount!!

Sprint first charges me $200 and then gives me discount because I proved that they are liars.

Now I wish they return other peoples money too.

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Owen McLaughlin, Wilmington, North Carolina — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:54:54 GMT

I liked Govenor Romneys speech today, but more importantly I like both his record of success and his position on the issues America faces. I have voted in every Presidential election since 1959 when John Kennedy was elected. Although not a Democrat I voted for him and was glad of it when the Russians put missles in Cuba. Whatever the minutia of his Catholic beliefs I was thankful he made the decisions he did and saved our World from nuclear holocaust. I don't think he consulted the Pope about it.
Do the Methodists, Anglicans, Presbyterians,Congregationalists, Episcopalians and Lutherans (some First Church, Second Church) feel better if a Baptist Pastor is elected? Or how about that good Christian Hillary Clinton?
Let's do as the Constitution suggests and keep Church and State separate. Vote on the Issues and the person who can best do the job. It's important.

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J Maxwell, Sheffield, England U.K. — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:00:42 GMT

Mitt just got my vote.... if I could vote.

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Desperate, Overland Park KS — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:04:05 GMT

To J Maxwell. Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster that you can't.

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Joe, Lehi, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:10:41 GMT

Carol Neese, from Columbia, SC:
Mormons (a nickname by the way) believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God. What you said is not true.
Bob, from Phoenix, AZ:
Focus on the facts of Romney's speech. What you said about the LDS/Mormon Church wasn't even close to being true. There is no book of the Law of the Lord in our canon. Also, none of the books we do have (ie: The Book of Mormon, Bible) talk about the things you mentioned. If you want to know what we believe, read The Book of Mormon and talk to missionaries (there are a lot in Phoenix. I served a mission in Mesa, so I know). If you want to comment on Mitt Romney's speech about Faith in America, then watch or listen to it. Otherwise, please do not comment. Bellicosity has no place and serves no purpose.

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Scott Scribner, Long Beach, CA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:19:18 GMT

It sounded like Romney does endorse a "religious" test for President, since his speech implied that one should be religious, which misses the point. And he understandably avoided mentioning that his church still functions as a secret society, unlike most "mainstream" denominations.

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Joe, Lehi, Ut — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:24:07 GMT

to: Duane, from Baltimore MD:
Some of my ancestors, who were LDS/Mormon were killed because they would not support slavery in Missouri voting-wise. They all voted against it and many women were raped, houses were burned, they walked across miles and miles of snow often bare-footed, were killed, like my ancestors, and many more thing, many times, because they would not allow slavery. WE HAVE NEVER ALLOWED OR SUPPORTED SLAVERY AND MY DEAD ANCESTORS ARE PROOF!!! Shame on you for lying because you are embittered against something you know little or nothing about! Please consider these words of Gamaliel in Acts 5: 38, 39: "And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:
39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God."

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Christy, Broomfield, Colorado — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:36:17 GMT

Please research Mormonism by a non-Mormon non-bias site before becoming a conservative Christian for Romney.

http://www.carm.org/mormon.htm is a good one.

Grace, God, Jesus, Savior, etc... these things mean different things in Mormonism than in the Christian religions. Be fully informed.

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Tom, Portland, ME — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:37:53 GMT

Mitt's problem is that he's trying to walk an impossibly fine line, demanding tolerance from a group that contains many members who are essentially intolerant. He wants to tell evangelicals and others that he's "Christian enough" to be president (by saying, e.g., that he believes in Jesus as God and Saviour). The only problem is he can't (and won't) go any further, or discuss any more details. To do so would disclose the significant gaps between Mormon theology and that of most Christian sects, and cost him fundamentalist votes. So he hopes that by declaring himself a man of "faith," and suggesting that his faith is pretty much the same as other Christians, that will be enough. It likely will not be for many, who will opt for the more conventional Huckabee. I personally would prefer that none of this be an issue, but for the people he's trying to win over, it clearly is. Also, by suggesting that "freedom requires religion," and otehrwise suggesting that a president must be a man of "faith" he is directly insulting about 10% of the American population which does not profess any faith (a larger minority than Mormons, by the way). This was no innocent omission: this was a carefully crafted speech, and his attacks on "secularists" makes clear that the omission of those not "of faith" (one accceptable to him) as real Americans was not an accident. A clever speech, full of warm and fuzzy platitues about American tolernace and history, but at its core a blatant (and probably ultimately unsuccessful) appeal to certain intolerant Christians. (I count myself a Christian, by the way, just not one who thinks the president should either be selected for his piety or govern based on what he thinks God tells him during prayer.)

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Al Skalicky, Bolivar, MO — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:40:48 GMT

Bill Edwards - great comments. It could not have been said any better. We have so many really important issues as a country to deal with yet we get caught up on one issue and forget about the big picture. I'm not campaigning for Romney, just saying we need to quit getting caught up in one issue regardless of who is running for president. Jack Danforth, who I believe was an Episcopal minister, said it best. He said something to the effect of, "If religion is supposed to bring people together, why is it being used to drive wedge between people?"
Bill have you thought about running fro president?

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Ed Deitz — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:41:00 GMT

What's with all these rabid Romney freaks talking about "the most soaring, inspiring patriotic speech EVAR"?!? He's a TOOL. He'll say ANYTHING to get elected, as long as there's a script in front of him telling him what to say. He was born a century too late, wants to force Religionism on the country, & has to change his batteries every 2 weeks or he winds down.

These must be the same people who frothed on & on about how Dubya Bush was the great Man-o-God who was gonna save this country.

So incredibly astute.

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Jimmy, St. George, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:41:34 GMT

Just a response to Bob, from Phoenix, quoting your exceedingly excellent points, and responding with minimal sarcasm.

*They believe in Gods ( yes plural)
Yep, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. It's no secret that we believe that the three are distinct, seperate beings, perfectly unified in purpose. Besides, if they're not seperate, to whom was Jesus praying during his time here on Earth?
This is just an example of you trying to use a phrase with a negative connotation (multiple Gods) to describe the way in which we view the Trinity. That's like me saying that you believe in a "Schizophrenic God" because you believe that the Trinity is one being with multiple personalities. Both are completely stupid, ignorant remarks.

*They believe if you are a good mormon when you die you become a god and get your own planet.
Matthew 5:48--"Be ye therefore perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect." Jesus commanded us to try and be like God; Would Christ give us a commandment that was impossible to achieve? Or <Gasp> do you just interpret that biblical passage differently than I do?

*They believe the God of earth was a regular man on another planet and he resides near a star called KOLOB.
And many faiths believe that God is a non-defined being who is not from this planet and lives somewhere in the Heavens......I'd say on the "reason and logic" scale (which is obviously what, in an attempt to make us look crazy, you're appealing to with this statement), we're not too dissimilar with other beliefs.

*They have special handshakes and secret names so they can find each other after they die.
And Catholics do the sign of the cross, and every new Pope takes on a new name. Once again, by your standard, catholics are members of a demonic cult.
*They wear special secret underwear with secret religious symbols sewn into them that protect them from bullets and other bad things.
And Catholic clergy wear special robes will all kinds of symbolism sewn into the patterns. I guess they're a cult too, huh? As for stopping bullets....well, let's put it this way: I wear the garments, and the one time in my life I had a gun pulled on me, I ran and I hid. They aren't made of Kevlar, people!

*All of the following and more are FACTS and can be researched in the 3 books they have the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Book of the Law of the Lord.
I LOVE that you put this in here, I just LOVE IT! In fact, I invite ANYONE reading this post to read the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants ("Book of the Law of the Lord?" Been a Mormon for 26 years, and I'VE NEVER HEARD OF IT.....), and try to find the aforementioned issues....Seriously, try it....they're not there.

*The Bible is the forth book they use and when Mormon beliefs don't agree with the Bible they say that passage was interpreted wrong.
Oh, so we're the only ones who interpret the Bible differently than everyone else...yeah, you're right, EVERY OTHER CHRISTIAN DENOMINATION ON EARTH INTERPRETS THE BIBLE EXACTLY THE SAME. THAT EXPLAINS WHY THERE ARE SO FEW CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS; IT'S JUST US CRAZY MORMONS WHO HAVE DIFFERENT BELIEFS. What a joke.
Oh, and buy the weigh, it's FOURTH, not FORTH. :-)
*P.S. They say that Jesus had multiple wives when he was on earth.
Okay, okay, you're right. And I have horns.

My Point is this: All religions are weird and crazy. We all believe in crazy things that make no logical sense. Some believe that Jesus walked on water, appeared to Saul, and resurrected on the third day following his death. So how can someone who believes these things (which I do also), in good conscience, criticize and mock me for believing that God appeared to a 14 year old boy? That, my friends, is what is truly crazy.

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Kira, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:47:09 GMT

Bob, once again I'm hear to tell you your facts are WRONG. Where do you get this stuff? Most of what you said sort of resembles what we believe, but has been skewed by anti-Mormons (like yourself) to sound truly bizarre. If people want to know "What Mormons Believe" as you like to title your blogs, why don't they ask a Mormon? Novel idea, really.

By the way, the one that doesn't even resemble anything we teach... Mormon doctrine (the Bible or any of our books of scripture) DOES NOT teach that Christ had multiple wives. It doesn't even ever definitely say that He was married at all. He could have been (Peter was, according to the New Testament), but there is no scripture to support it or not.

Good grief.

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Kira, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:50:06 GMT

Carol- to clarify, Mormons DO believe that Christ is THE son of God. We believe that he is the only begotten son of God, and he was born a virgin birth to Mary. We believe that all people are "spiritual" children of God... thus we refer to each other as brothers and sisters, children of God, etc. But we are not the same as Christ in that sense.

Hope that helps.

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Kira, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:52:52 GMT

PS- carol, He said he wasn't going to give a speech about Mormonism, but rather about faith in America... which is exactly what he did. He has said that he isn't, nor does he intend to be a spokesman for the church. That, as he said, would be inappropriate for a politician. If you'd like to learn more about what we believe, I suggest lds.org, or mormon.org. Or you can call the local congregation (listed in the phone book under Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints) and request some missionaries to come by and answer your questions (having missionaries over does not mean you have to convert). Just FYI. :)

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Kira, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:10:20 GMT

Duane- the LDS religion has ALWAYS been against slavery. Its tax exempt status was never threatened because of an anitquated practice in the 70s, which was disbanded without political pressure.

By the way, Ray of light, David is correct. If you want a place with no religion, that will never be America. Russia tried to ban the practice of religion time and time again (even its own Russian Orthodox church), and look at how poorly they are doing. Some religions made be harmful, but on the whole, faith in a higher power encourages people to act more responsible, practice the golden rule, and be kind. What's so bad about that?

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jm — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:12:18 GMT

Bob in Pheonix - Educate yourself - you sound like an idiot

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Andrew Price London UK — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:50:38 GMT

Mitt Romney has been saying for months that the White House needs a man of faith . He has made his much publicised speech , but he is still carrying on his lack of transparancy with the American people .

As a Mormon Mitt Romney believes that Jesus is the Devil's brother produced by a relationship between God the Father and one of His plural wives on a planet
near a star called Kolob . All are agreed that Jesus lies at the heart of the Christian faith and so many people if not the majority would find this shocking and deeply offensive .

Mitt Romney also participated in secret Mormon Temple rituals where the Christian Pastor is represented as being in the hire and pay of Satan . This is rather strange as Romney is trying to court the same Pastors

Lastly are we not entitled to know why Mitt Romney consented to the secret practice of baptizing dead Jewish holocaust victims ?

Mitt Romney must say nothing about his faith because he knows that if the American people knew the truth they would not wish to vote for a man of that sort of faith .

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Dave — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:56:28 GMT

If Governor Romney did not answer questions regarding his "Mormonism" to the satisfaction of anyone, then he (Romney) did not take the bait. The whole point that certain evangelicals (& others) wanted him to try to explain Mormon theology, was to catch him in his words--plain & simple.

Last night, I found online & listened to JFK's speech made to Baptist ministers. It was a classic. I thought his speech, both as written and delivered said it well & right.

This morning, I likewise listened to Governor Romney's "Faith in America" speech. The weighty substance of the content and the conviction were quite apparent (unless you are forever & unredeemably cynical). While the two covered some of the same ground, Romney's speech addressed some new points.

I found that he addressed many issues of concern to me. His affirmation of the Constitutional prohibitioin of a "religious test" should be echoed by politicians, religious leaders, and journalists alike. Otherwise, I feel that they are aiding, abetting & giving comfort to religious bigots and bigotry.

As for the evangelicals that are unconvinced that Romney's speech "proved" that Mormons are Christians, let me say this. Mitt's declaration that he believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God is not only the stance that any active, believing Mormon makes and takes (and alwasy has), but it is a reiteration of what the Bible actually teaches (which is contradicted by the post-Biblical councils & creeds).

'Traditional Christians' do not understand. We (Mormons) are not trying to get them to view us as being or believing the same as them in that we should be grouped or categorized as 'traditional Christians'. However, if a 'Christian' is defined as someone who believes wholeheartedly that Jesus Christ was and is the Son of God, and that his name is the only one under heaven by which mankind can be saved, then you are beginning to understand true Mormonism.

But I bring this up. This is a debate of semantics and theology. It really has and should have nothing to do, ultimately, with politics.

Romney was correct to underscore the fact that it is the moral principles and convictions that are the foundation of this nation, and the foundation of our common goals.

He also made it abundantly clear that he would not be one to promote any religious group. This, I believe, indicates that his call encompasses ALL Americans, including atheists and agnostics—though, the one poster above was correct in pointing out that Romney said that religion is essential to morality and vice versa, in this country. If all lose faith in God, or even a majority, we are sunk!

Romney was, in my opinion, in all ways, absolutely correct, and very presidential in what he said and how he said it.

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Val Smith, Sacramento — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:42:43 GMT

Bob Hutton. I teach a Gospel Doctrine class on Sunday's in the LDS (Mormon) Church. In answer to your question, yes, Billy Graham will go to heaven, as will all good people. I'm more worried about my spot than his.

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Val Smith — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:51:18 GMT

Bob in Phoenix has his facts wrong, and his claim that Jesus Christ had multiple wives in really wacky!

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Scott - Los Angeles, CA — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:57:56 GMT

As "Christians" we need to remember the Bible clearly states we cannot judge NON-BELIEVERS. We cannot expect them to live by our law. We are to show them "GODS LOVE" and hopefully through this display of our "humble" love of GOD, they will love grow to LOVE God as we do.

STOP SPITTING ON PEOPLE LEAVING ABORTION CLINICS. STOP TELLING GAY PEOPLE THEY ARE GOING TO HELL AND GOD DOESN'T LOVE THEM. STOP JUDGING THEM AND TELLING THEM ----- "TURN AWAY FROM YOUR SIN."

START LOVING THEM AS JESUS WOULD HAVE. BRING GOD'S LOVE TO THEM.

And while we as "Christians" are avidly trying to daily turn GAY people away from their sin. Lets also do the same for every DIVORCED American that is living a life of SIN just as blatantly as the woman that got an abortion and your Gay neighbor that lives down the street.

Mit Romney deserves like every other AMERICAN the chance to run for President because we were all "Created Equal and endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, of these ---- Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."

Please Americans concentrate of these principles and God's emphasis that above all these is ---- LOVE. Love God with all your Heart and Love your Neighbors and Yourself. Everything else is gravy.

My prayer is we rise above our "Religions" (or lack there of) and our mentality of it being US --- VERSES ---- THEM and start living what it truly means to be an American. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Loving and fostering FREEDOM around the world. Let us be an example and not a bully that intimidates every country to do our bidding or we will invade them as we so clearly are JUSTIFIED by doing at will after 9/11.

Someday we will no longer be able to use it as a battle cry to hurt others around the world because of our pain.

Justice is key to our future. I love Justice and I love God. Do you?

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Matthew Evans — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:59:36 GMT

Firtst of All, atheists aren't bad people, but in general they aren't as good of people with religous faiths. They have a conceints, but that's pretty much it. They don't have any passion or real reason to help others or do the right thing. The truth is, if I was an atheist I would consider my job to be the most important thing in existance. I think that most atheists think that way because that is what sociaty holds up. Atheists beleive that whatever sociaty tells them is right. In general, they don't realy have anything to save them from peer presure. I know this because I used to be atheist. I'm Baptist now, but Mitt Romney's speech I heard was probobly the most Christian speach I've heard all year. The truth is, we probobly shouldn't consider atheists too much in issues like prayer in public schools or public religon. The truth is religon, no paticular sect though, is what created this country. If we stop beleiving in it or end public religon America will fall because God won't be able to come into our hearts because we won't allow it. There aren't too many atheists who truly want to help people for the sake of helping people. Think about it: although atheism has existed from the begining of time all the great men who have truly helped people not for the sake of glory, money, power, or any other personal gain were all religous without exception. To put it flat: I don't think an atheist should be president and I don't think atheists should have a say in public religon.

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Matt Evans — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:03:46 GMT

One more thing, I will say mormonism is a cult, but that's not nessisarily a bad thing. The defintion of cult is they differ from mainstream religon. Honestly, I am sickened with people persicuting other religons simply because they beleive differently than them.

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Missy — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:12:10 GMT

My question is, do the Mormons really beleive in Polgamy? They will tell you no, that they don't, and that is not true. In order to become a state the mormon's of Utah had to renounce that belief, but they secretly hold to it, now, it is a command that will be upheld in the after life. Where they become gods and goddess' and will have many wives. What is the difference between that and a muslim martyr who receives virgins. In Utah do they still have the death penalty that involves the firng squad, one that has to draw blood, because they have believed that there has to be a bllod antonment. Hum... and they say that Jesus has something to do with their church and belief... They have so many things that they HAVE to hide, I wonder what Mitt will hide. What the hidden agenda of the mormon church in all of this? They can't drink coke becasue it is wrong and bad, yet they own it...hum...now we should really look at what we are looking at and really what Mitt has up his sleeve.

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Joe, Lehi, UT — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:21:33 GMT

John Comer, of Jax, Fl,
That is what Mitt Romney was saying! He was saying he will lead America and not cater to one Church or group. Please don't post comments that are so ridiculous when you haven't even taken the time to listen to what he had to say. Give him a break! Wow! Mitt Romney did awesome!

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Justin Pope — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:48:21 GMT

This speech was inspiring and positive. Too many people(including most candidates) are great at seeing problems and trying to tear other candidates down. Although Romney defends himself he does not do it through negativism and tearing others down. Mitt did not sound defensive but talked with conviction and sincerity. I felt like this was a very unifying speech and demonstrated what is unique and great about this country. I am ready to go to bat for Mitt!

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Britt, Dallas Texas — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 03:06:01 GMT

His speech was brilliant . . .and has my vote!

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TJ, WY — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 03:14:15 GMT

I hear alot of great ideas supporting and not supporting Romney and his speech. The ONLY thing I grow tired of is all the apparent anger for those one disagrees with. Name calling and belittling? We can disagree respectfully. Anger convinces only the angry.

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Richard, Washington State — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:12:20 GMT

Well, no matter who you vote for, 98 times out of 100 it's not going to be an atheist. And if all the atheists don't vote out of protest it won't be noticed.

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Believer in religious freedom — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:21:06 GMT

Ray of Light, that is what Stalin believed. Marx believed it too. You should read up on the history of these men and their impact on societies they dealt with. Hitler also ran along these same lines--exterminating anyone who disagreed with him. You were born in the wrong era, you could have been fought along side those leaders.

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Clint, Austin, Texas — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:30:54 GMT

Wow... as a convert to the Mormon faith who once was a Baptist, I can tell you outright... Mormons would be considered "Saved". We believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, who died on the Cross for our sins, rose on the third day and went to heaven.

Principal #1.... We are all without sin
#2... Jesus was the only person without sin.
#3 He died on the cross for our sins
#4 He rose from the dead.
#5 If we ask him to be our Lord and Saviour... you too will be saved and have your sins washed away.
#6 You must be baptised and accept the Holly Spirit
#7 You are now saved.

now... how can you Baptist say that we are not Christians????

Aside from this fundamental faith... we differ quite a bit. Just as some differ you are saved by Grace and others by Works.

I can truly say... I am saved and will see Jesus my lord and saviour someday and yes... as a Mormon.

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Ruth Carpenter, Bloomington, IN — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 05:19:14 GMT

To Bob, Billy Graham is one of my favorite people and yes, I happen to be Mormon. Our belief that all will be resurrected after death is unique among most religions. Others appear to be much more exclusive. Please do a little research or talk to any church member or Elder or Sister missionaries. Thanks. Ruth Carpenter

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Frank, Seattle, WA — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 05:21:41 GMT

As a Christian, I could not vote for Romney, although he has many admirable qualities and seems like a good person, it would be denying my faith. Mormons are not Christians, and they have some core beliefs that are diametrically opposed to Christian beliefs, such as multiple heavens, depending on your level of faith and commitment. That is the only core difference they post on Morman.org, but there are others. They believe in the concept of Trinity, but that it is three Gods, whereas Christians believe that God the father, Jesus, and the Holy spirit are one God. They do believe that through works they can become Gods themselves. If you are a Mormon who does not believe these things then I suggest you question someone in the know in the church. I was engaged to a Mormon and spent a year of my life trying to understand if I could become a Mormon so we could marry. My research and conversation with many Mormons, including my sister who nearly went on a Mission for the LDS church open my eyes to many things about the church.

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John los osos — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 07:10:41 GMT

Listen, Im not going to vote for anyone that finds that there religion has more control over them then they do for themselves. Muliti children and wearing magic underwear really pisses me off! I have to pay my tax dollers for there multi family cult and Im frankly sick of it! Catholics and mormons and christians all you do is pollute and fear the after life and all I have to say is if there was one I would be there waiting to kick your sorry ignorant asses!!! Stop being sooo dumb and think for yourselfs!

Conservative reaction to Mitt's speech

sharp, fillmore utah — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 07:13:53 GMT

um ok, whoever bob from pheonix is, hes just i tad bit wrong on mormons. mormons only believe in one almighty God. Jesus Christ is his son, and our savior. he did die for our sins and for us. and most every christian religion belives that he did. Mormons are NOT polygamist. they frown upon the believe. yes they do believe in books other than the bible, they are as follows: The book of Mormon, The Doctrine and Covinants, and The Pearl of great Price. the only one of these books that makes any christian belief differ is the book of mormon, and the Bible does come first. they do not believe they can become gods of there own planet. Mormons are good solid christian people. theyre some of the nicest, honest, and trustworthy people in the country. i do know the beliefs as attend seminary class every other day, im a Mormon and only in high school. i dont attend church every sunday, im not staunch LDS. i do believe in my church as does Gov. Romney. i know that the president of the LDS church would not try to influence Romney in anything he does as a politician. Gov. Romney is a good man, that given the chance can be an amazing leader. his speech today did not flip flop in any way, i watched it twice. he hit every subject he needed to, without over doing it. i like many others hold a great deal of respect for him and wish him the best on his campain trail. church should not have an effect on national decisions and with mitt it wont. all faiths have good value in them and i agree with Gov. Romney when he says we need to have a person of faith lead the country. not so that faith may decide things, but because people of a faith tend to be stronger leaders. always remember, God doesn't call the quailified, he qualifies the called.

Conservative reaction to Mitt's speech

Dale, Rancho Santa Fe, CA — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 07:58:12 GMT

Gov. Romney's speech was refreshing. It made it very clear that mormons do believe in Jesus. Who couldn't like Romney for his values, whether you believe in the Mormon faith or not, he represents what is good in America, he appears as American as apple pie, and quite presidential. I know quite a few Mormons, they all seem to be great people with strong family values, who are active in their communtities and appear to be quite tolerant of others beliefs.

Conservative reaction to Mitt's speech

Richard George, Asuncion Paraguay — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:36:34 GMT

Romney has proven himself in the business world and in the political arena. Combine those with faith and integrity and it seems like a good mix for a leader.

Conservative reaction to Mitt's speech

Roger L. Cooper, Vero Beach, FL — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:23:19 GMT

A deliberate and timely political effort. Inclusion of recognised religions appeals to vast voting majority. Disregard of Agnoticism and Atheiesm likely intentional in view limited national voting effect.

Conservative reaction to Mitt's speech

Nicholas Vooys, Feeding Hills MA — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:44:03 GMT

I'm a Massachusetts resident and I do not look to vote Romney, but Andrew Sullivan's comments and his example of Romney flip flopping is either an example of ignorance on his behalf or poor journalism. Either way, if I were the Atlantic I would think twice about publishing that kind of garbage. Before we can clean up our politicians, we need to clean up our media.

Conservative reaction to Mitt's speech

George, Nephi Utah — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:38:36 GMT

If Romney was ever asked the following question, it would put an end to any questions christians have regarding the mormon faith. That question is: "Billy Gramham is most generally regarded as one of the most recognizable christian in the world. When he dies, will he go to heaven according to what Mormons believe?"

The answer is YES he would. But we have to have an understanding on what you determine as heaven?
And to the Nut case who said Mormon's believe that Jesus had multiple wives while on the Earth Where Did he Get that from? What is the Book of the Law of the Lord. I have been a "Mormon" all my life (I'm 63) and have never heard of this book. But this will be lost in the myrids of replies here so no won wil read it. Blessings

Conservative reaction to Mitt's speech

USE YOUR HEAD — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:10:12 GMT

Moved to Utah 20 years ago from the midwest. Trust me when i say that you do not want a mormon in the white house!

Conservative reaction to Mitt's speech

Don Z — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:23:10 GMT

Wake up America !...Corporate america has the best politions money can buy! There just puppets on a string
The privatley owned federal reserve is bankrupting this country,and were debating a guys religon?
I don't care if he thinks he is God....
VOTE RON PAUL !!! The only man with honor & integrity!

Conservative reaction to Mitt's speech

Joe Smith — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:02:01 GMT

Brain wash USA... Ever wonder why Utah is the scam capitol of this country? It's because mormons will believe anything.
If you ever want to see major discrimination go to Utah. Especially Provo. They all walk on water there.If your not going to the ward,and paying your ten percent you are shunned.
I have personally been discrimated against on jobs.
It pisses me off that i never have be prejudice until i lived in Utah.A beautiful state with the most,
cut throat ,brain dead people i have ever known.
Secrete religion???...wonder why !

Conservative reaction to Mitt's speech

Shaun McKnight, Lees Summit, MO — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:16:36 GMT

Regarding the Billy Graham/Mormonism question... the Mormon response is "we hope so". We would not know any more if the Rev. makes it than we would of our own salvation. According to scriptural context (explicit and implicit), the only individual duly empowered and able to mercifully judge where we end up is Christ himself. In that day, we pile up our case based upon our life's faith and works, including humble use of his atonement for our shortgivings. From there, the scales balance out where they may, irregardless of religion. We just do not know exactly what the scale levels are as the Savior determines that. In my mind, according to Mormonism, persons like Billy Graham and Mother Teresa are likely much better off than I am.

Conservative reaction to Mitt's speech

Clint, Austin, Texas — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 02:11:15 GMT

Frank from Seattle,

NOT all christians believe in the Trinity. Only Baptist's do! About 3 heavens... there may be, who knows for certain. The Bible does not discount it. How do you explain "paradise"???

Conservative reaction to Mitt's speech

Steve G, Andover, MA — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 17:55:41 GMT

Romney speech was very effective. It was definitely the best speech of the year and was even more powerful than JFK's religion speech.

Conservative reaction to Mitt's speech

closetpuritan, Maine — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:52:28 GMT

"No, he would be very annoyed at being asked & would evade the issue as much as possible. Because he probably doesn't feel that non-believers are as "good" and "American" as are believers, but can't come right out & say it. But he risks the ire of the Christian right he's pandering to w/this speech if he says non-believers are as good as believers. They don't wanna hear from that!"

Exactly. Andrew Sullivan IS wrong, for the reason people have pointed out in the comments. But there's something worse than being a flip-flopper, and that's religious intolerance. By all but saying that the only true Americans are monotheists, Romney is religiously intolerant.
More at http://closetpuritan.livejournal.com/

Conservative reaction to Mitt's speech

Jake, Chicago, IL — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:35:02 GMT

Romney's speech last week won my vote last week also. His speech last week won my vote! In my opinion Romney is the best candidate for conservative Americans. Guiliani (social liberal, wrong on illigal immigration) and Huckabee (fiscal liberal, wrong on illigal immigration) simply will not have a chance once people learn more and more about them. I believe Romney has flaws, but all the candidates do. I may not agree with everything he says, but overall he has the character, the spirit (meaning charisma, not religious spirit), and very importantly the leadership and management record to lead this country (An area where Obama fans may be left silenced). Another thing: I get the feeling the other candidates are very threatened by Romney. This is all speculation, but I get the impression they know he really is a good, genuine person and the best candidate. All of these attack ads and constant flip flopping charges, and attacks on his religion are below Romney. He is no Reagan, but in my opinion he does have Reagan's optimism. Something crucial at this time in our nation's history. I could go on and on about how much I like Romney - but my main point is please don't judge him (or anyone) on their religous stance. Judge him on his character and the issues.