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Sara, Iowa — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:52:49 GMT

America has just found the right person to be our next President, Mitt Romney. He is a man with great values and passion for our country. America does not get a person such as Romney, running for President that often. We should not let him get away.

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NERNA NILA , RANCHO CUCAMONGA, CA. — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:21:58 GMT

I PRAY THAT ALL WILL UNDERSTAND MITT ROMNEY'S STAND ON THE LDS CHURCH. HE IS A MAN OF THE PEOPLE, AND WILL MAKE A GREAT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

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Peter Clemons, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:22:13 GMT

Romney sounded very presidential, and as always, looked it. I liked what he said very much.

Bottom line ...he proposes to be a president with faith in God, but where no church influences presidential affairs. Likewise, he wants the State to stay out of church affairs.

He wants all men to be free to believe as they will; and he respects them all.

Sounds about right to me.

I've read about 50 reviews today. Yours, Erin, is the best so far.

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Larry Craig, Minneapolis at the Airport — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:24:40 GMT

Vote for me..larrycraigi'amnotgay.com

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:25:20 GMT

A great speech by a fine man. This should be his greatest moment.

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Tony, San Francisco, California — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:25:26 GMT

This is what I have to say about Governor Romney's remarks: WOW! What a rush! Governor Romney's remarks were fantastic! No other candidate can beat Mitt's combination of conviction, faith, intelligence, and honor. But the point that brought it all home for me is that, after his speech, Ann Romney walked onto the stage and stood by her husband. Anyone with doubts about whether Mitt is the real deal can just apply the Ann Romney test. There can be no finer man in America than the man who is worthy of and has earned the companionship and support of a woman like Ann for the past 36+ years. On the other side, do you think that a woman of Ann's caliber would stand next to any of the other candidates ( i.e., Giuliani, McCain, Thompson, Huckabee, etc.)? No! Not for a minute! And if you look at them, no other candidate has a woman at his side as wonderful and remarkable as Ann. No candidate has the support of his family like Mitt does, and no candidate is as invested in the future of America and the children of America than Mitt is. MITT was definately "the man" today, and he will surely get my vote come February 5th.

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Martin, Castalia, North Carolina — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:26:09 GMT

This was an outstanding speech, and showed that Mitt is exactly the type of person and politician that we always hoped would come along to lead the country.
Yes, the president is not a religious position, but it is comforting to know that should Mitt be elected we would have a president of the highest moral, and religious character.
I feel like I just watched George Washington give a speech to America and I am excited for the honor of casting my vote for President Romney.

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Harry, Phoenix, Arizona — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:29:39 GMT

Romney and others can claim that Mormonism is a religion as much as they want but that will never change the fact that Mormonism is a cult. And if the President of the Mormon Church decides that God told him to influence US policy...you better believe that he would be on the phone with Romney telling him exactly what to do. I am someone with a Bachelor's degree in both Bible & Religion and fully understand that Mormonism is a cult and why. A cult is any group (regardless of size) that interprets the doctrines of a religion in an unorthodox fashion. Unlike Religions which create their doctrines based on interpretation of book(s) scriptures within their context, cults create their doctrines first and then take the scriptures from the books of other religions and force them outside of their context to fit the twisted ideologies of the cult. Cults have come out of all religions and Christianity is no exception. The 2 largest cults that have come from out of Christianity have been the Jehovah's Witness cult and the Mormon Cult. Next time someone tries to tell you that Mormonism is Christian, keep in mind that Mormon doctrine teaches that their god was once a physical human being who attained god status (the Adam God doctrine of Mormonism), there is no trinity, Jesus Christ and Satan are half brothers (Satan was not an angel created by God), Blacks were once considered a cursed race by God (until civil rights movements made that inconvenient), Women are second class citizens and will be eternally pregnant with their Mormon husband in the after life ruling over their own planet, you can baptize the dead by proxy using the living and lastly, Mormonism fails every test of archaeology as nothing claimed by Joseph Smith has never been found.

In retrospect, those who have done their homework regarding the Book of Mormon are pretty clear that there was never any Book of Mormon and that Joseph Smith stole a draft of a fiction story titled “A View of the Hebrews” and published it under the heading of “Book of Mormon. Ultimately, Mormonism fits every parameter of a cult and like all cults...they can change their doctrines at the drop of a hat which is something true religions never need to do. They may claim to believe in God and Jesus Christ but they are referring to a totally different God and a totally different Jesus Christ compared to Christianity.

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Chuck,San Diego — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:30:03 GMT

"You can witness them in Ann and my marriage and in our family."

Tying the family dog to the roof of your car for 8 hours while driving at high speed as it shits and vomits.. YOu stop and hose off the car and drive on with the dog still on the roof.
ROmeny family values

5 sons, prowar, 6 males no military service
Romeny Military values

Family MOney Made
exporting American jobs to our enemies.
Romeny American Values

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Dave, Des Moines Iowa — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:41:19 GMT

Very Very Presidential! Thanks Mitt for clearing up the mud

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Hans Bakke, Ridge, New York — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:41:24 GMT

I was very impressed with Romney and his talk. His intellectualism is of a superior sort and I feel him to be an excellent contestantant for President.

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Dan C. Chicago, IL — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:46:12 GMT

OK. Mitt, we're cool with that, but what about the underwear?

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max saberon — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:50:01 GMT

SURELY A MORMON CANNOT BE PRESIDENT

By David Shurtleff

(Not a Mormon -You'll love this play on Julius Caesar's words.)

Helamanites, bloggers, Political Scientists...lend me your eyes. I come to criticize Mitt Romney. The evil that men do is highlighted by the media.

The good is often buried under labels...so let it be with Romney.

The Media has touted that Romney is a Mormon, if it is so, it is a grievous thing and may cost him the election.

When the scandal-laden 2002 Salt Lake Olympics was embarrassing our nation, Romney stepped in and turned it into a showcase –

Yet Romney is a MORMON, and surely a MORMON cannot be President.

Romney won the governorship of Massachusetts as a REPUBLICAN, yes, in a state that gives us Sen. Kennedy. He showed the ability to work with all people, of all political backgrounds

-Yet Romney is a MORMON and surely a MORMON cannot be President.

Romney saved a state government facing fiscal disaster, bringing economic expansion and staving off unemployment something this nation could use

-Yet Romney is a MORMON, and surely a MORMON cannot be President.

Unlike many politicians, Romney has remained faithful to his wedding vows, keeping his commitments to his wife and blessing his children

-Yet Romney is a MORMON, and surely a MORMON cannot be President.

The twelfth article of Romney's faith, one which he no doubt memorized as a child, affirms that it is his duty to honor, obey, and sustain the law

- Yet Romney is a MORMON, and surely a MORMON cannot be President.

Romney's faith group is recognized and respected by governments throughout the world, it was so respected that it was miraculously allowed to build a temple in communist East Germany before the wall came down

-Yet Romney is a MORMON, and surely a MORMON cannot be President.

Romney's church teaches that the constitution is a divinely inspired document and that this nation was established by the God of Heaven. Such respect for our nation and its founding document can make just another politician into a statesman

-Yet Romney is a MORMON, and surely a MORMON cannot be President.

Romney's religious organization teaches love and compassion for all human beings and provides millions of dollars in aid to many countries. It also sent thousands of volunteers to aid Katrina victims in our own country. That aid was given freely, without regard to the religious preference of the recipients

-Yet Romney is a MORMON, and surely a MORMON cannot be President.

Wait a minute. What is it about being Mormon that disqualifies Mitt Romney from being an effective president?

It is true that there may be theological differences that exist between Romney and others, but..... He is not running for Bishop, Rabbi, Pope, Minister, Imam, or Pastor.

He is running for President.

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TheQueenBee — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:03:15 GMT

Mitt romney will never be president! I have spoken.

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John, West Palm Beach, Florida — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:05:13 GMT

America just found a true leader in Mitt Romney.

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Penny Hadley — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:12:28 GMT

I live in Idaho and have for 40 years. Mormons are
defined by their religious beliefs!!! I cant imagine
a Mormon President. Scary thought!!

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pat huntington ny — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:12:55 GMT

Mitt Romney is the last person we need as our president. He flip flops on issues and will say whatever it takes to get elected. He's a religous zealot and we don't need anymore culture wars to distract us from the real bread and butter issues facing us. He was booed out of Massachuesettes after only one term, and quickly replaced by a Democrat. That should say something about this man with his slick hair and pandering smile.

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Josephine Chavez — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:16:15 GMT

I don't care if the man goes out and worships an ant hill; that is his right in this country. I think he has an outstanding moral character. If Bush had any religious feelings or morals he would not have invaded Iraq. Who is this guy who thinks he rules the world? Romney didn't imply he wanted to rule the world just try to help americans.... lay off the guy. I would vote for him just on his moral character if nothing else. josephine of Media,PA

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TEC-SPRING-TX. — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:16:27 GMT

So how would everyone feel if this speech was given by a prophet of Islam?

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Aaron Turner, Sacramento, CA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:17:13 GMT

Wow, I finally felt like I could see into the soul of a politician, like I know who he is. I agree with the first post, we don't get candidates like this often.

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Steve A Jonesboro IN — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:17:49 GMT

Blah blah blah blah----NO THANKS MITT!

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Ryan Coil — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:23:56 GMT

I watched Huckabee outperform Romney at the last debate and my hopes for Mitt were dampened, but his words and emotions shared in today's speech show that he is truly presidential. Romney is the best candidate and hopefully America will see that, we need the best.

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RGO, California — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:24:53 GMT

I find it interesting that a few days before his big speech Mitt fired his landscaper after learning for the SECOND time that his landscaper hires illegals as employees. If illegal immigration is so important to him why did it take him so long. He only took action after the Boston Globe unconvered the truth and proved that Mitt was lying during the debate in Florida. He had to make sure his plate was clean right before the big day at the Bush Library. I'm sure he'll rehire the landscaper in a week or so. The way he flip flops no telling what he'll do next. Mitt Romney can not be trusted PERIOD.

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Rich, San Diego — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:26:31 GMT

To those who want to include or exclude someone from being president based on their religious affiliation, shame on you. I was impressed by George Bush being a christian but voted for him because he was the best alternative, not especially competent. I would rather have a competent Mormon than an incompetent anything. As long as the president leads the country in the right direction and in not corrupt, thats fine with me. I was impressed with Huckabee until I researched his record. Now I think he is a more likeable better speaking copy of Bush who will support amnesty, big spending and other things that I disagree with. I think Mitt might be right for the job!

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old man me atlanta ga. — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:26:36 GMT

ok folks here comes the shocker no one is going to want to hear. being a young democrat back in 1960 and being a part of that election our big concern about JFK and his religion was what was going on in the early civil rights movement.The cathlotic church at that time offered more inclusion for blacks than anyone else.that speech was given more than anything else to reassure the southern democrats that business would continue as usual for the democrat party these solid south in those days meant just that.

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Steve Hargrove, Trinidad, Colorado — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:28:42 GMT

I listened to him intently as he "hit it on the head". He defined, very eloqently, the relationship of church and state as well as the history of that relationship.

It was a great speech and I certainly believe that he would make us a "GREAT" President.

Steve Hargrove

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California Mormon — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:29:23 GMT

On the issue of Mormonism being a cult, my friend Harry in Pheonix seems to miss the point of the unity of those who believe in God. To answer his point some, however:

Our first and foremost article of faith in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is “We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.”2 We believe these three divine persons constituting a single Godhead are united in purpose, in manner, in testimony, in mission. We believe Them to be filled with the same godly sense of mercy and love, justice and grace, patience, forgiveness, and redemption. I think it is accurate to say we believe They are one in every significant and eternal aspect imaginable except believing Them to be three persons combined in one substance, a Trinitarian notion never set forth in the scriptures because it is not true.

Indeed no less a source than the stalwart Harper’s Bible Dictionary records that “the formal doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church councils of the fourth and fifth centuries is not to be found in the [New Testament].”3

So any criticism that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not hold the contemporary Christian view of God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost is not a comment about our commitment to Christ but rather a recognition (accurate, I might add) that our view of the Godhead breaks with post–New Testament Christian history and returns to the doctrine taught by Jesus Himself.

That is how we feel about it. There is room for disagreement in the United States of America without giving labels like 'cult', which connote mind control or brain washing. Ask a Mormon about why he believes what he believes and he will tell you each person is encouraged to find their own relationship with God to find out truth.

Those who do feel a unity of faith in America, please excuse my directness here, I in no way intend to divide, only to answer my friend Harry.

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California Landscaper — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:33:05 GMT

LOL, RGO, I live in CA as well, I dare you to try and find any significant landscape company in the state that does not employ illegal immigrants! You might do well to consider all the other industries that are in the same boat.

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Mike, Hermosa Beach,CA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:33:39 GMT

Could Mitt Romney be any more disingenuous?

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pat huntington ny — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:35:18 GMT

I had a friend who had a roommate who was mormon. One of the wierd things they do is keep lots of canned goods in their houses to prepare for the end of the world. I guess if Mitty gets elected, the White House will be filled with them, or I should say, we should all fill our houses with them because with him as president, it will be the end of the world.

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Steve, Ann Arbor, MI — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:40:14 GMT

I hear so many people mention that Mormonism is a cult, but I don't see how that speaks to the issue of whether or not he will be a good President. Most of the beliefs of Mormonism I hear espoused by anti-Mormons seem to have nothing to do with a person's capacity to lead the nation and make solid public policy decisions. The fact that the Mormon understanding of Jesus seems to differ from that of Evangelical Christians doesn't provide any basis for rejecting the man from political office.

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CJ — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:44:36 GMT

Sounds like the Bushies are convinced. By Bushies..I mean people who voted for Bush because they believed in his "moral convictions" while ignoring his record and actions. While I do think Romney is the best GOP nominee, he has a long way to go as far as leadership...he's more of a follower who has changed his positions to suit his audience. A brief candid moment does not change his overall methods or approach to "leadership". That being said, I support Obama.

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Diane, Grand Blanc, MI — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:46:20 GMT

Forget the religious aspect for a moment. Why did the man (Romney) feel the need to inflate or lie about his hunting expertise? It's been my experience that when someone lies for no apparent reason, they are either habitual liars or pathological liars. Either way, those types of individuals generally tell you what they think you want to hear. Wake up America, or we'll end up getting more of the same thing we've had under the current deranged Administration.

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Brayden Green — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:47:53 GMT

Bigots! Name any religion, and they all have their flaws! I am not saying that I endorse everything that is said here, I do not. One thing is sure, you should actually listen to the wonderful speech that he gave on your bigotry and intolerance, unless you're too proud to do so. He is the most presidential sounding candidate, next to Obama. He has the best points on the strongest issuses. But you let your intense dispassion for anything that you don't understand sway that fact. You poeple make me sick! If this is where this country is headed, then I am going to the middle east, WHERE IT WILL BE SAFER. And to the comment about the underwear, it is an outward reminder, of an inward promise. I've never heard the term "Magic Yarmulke" though the principle for the Jews is the same. The fact of the matter is you people have no idea what you are talking about. And to the guy with a "Bible degree", why don't you tell me what faith you are, and I'd be happy to throw down, any day of the week. The problem for you is, I understand my religion, and you are nothing more than an educated idiot. Any of you so-called believers need to base yourself in the Bible. The Savior granted an audience to everyone without prejudice. Good luck on that in the future.

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pat huntington ny — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:49:19 GMT

Mitt Romney was governor of Massachusettes when they started the Big Dig. Remember, the huge tunnel under Boston that was crumbling down on drivers? He signed off on the shoddy work and cheap inferior materials. This is not who we need as president.

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pat huntington ny — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:49:33 GMT

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Bee — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:50:38 GMT

Wow, I finally felt like I could see into the soul of a politician, like I know who he is. I agree with the first post, we don't get candidates like this often

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Are you sounding like George Bush? How can you read his soul? Are you God...Lol

On a more serious note, religious should not be a test in a presidential campaign.

Romney gave a fantastic speech but i won't still vote for him. He has no clue on foreign policy and he pander to the right when it comes to immigration and privacy.

He cannot think on his feet when it comes to hot button issues and i still remember him taking picture with some biggots

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Blue state baby — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:53:09 GMT

The only thing worst than Mitt as President would be Rudy!

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Karl, Atlanta, GA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:57:34 GMT

"Freedom requires religion" ???!
How about freedom FROM religion?
He has no chance in general election after this.
Go Romney, go!

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Victor, Providence, Rhode Island — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:59:50 GMT

As a Mormon myself, I still do not understand why such a man of faith voted for gays and lesbians to be in the Army while he was Governor of Massachusetts and now that he is running for President he is backing out saying “this is another time, another era”. Are you telling me that it was OK to have gay/lesbians running around with guns a couple of years ago and NOT now because there is a real war? Does this make Romney a man of faith or an opportunist?

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Brayden Green — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:00:39 GMT

RGO
now why would he go and do something stupid like that? It's not like the world isn't full of landscapers. To save money? He has more money than any of you and your kids and grandkids will EVER see COMBINED. The fact of the matter is that there are a lot of illegal alien landscapers out there... I dare you to tell me that you have never had an alien do work for you. If you own a home built after the year 1980, or had service on it even, THEN YOU ARE GUILTY TOO. I've been in construction for the last 10 years, and it's like steriods in sports. You know it's going on. It's like mama says "keep your words sweet, because one day you might have to eat them..."

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Marty CR Iowa — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:02:11 GMT

Every true Mormon will testify that Joseph Smith was/is a true Prophet of God, yet I doubt if one Mormon in a thousand can accurately recite any 5 of this great Prophet's actual prophecies. Shouldnít that raise some eyebrows?? Wouldn't you think a church that bases its very existence on a latter-day-prophet would gladly publish an official book that lists every one of his sacred prophecies? Not the Mormons! For good reason!

Not when you understand that almost every prophecy Joseph Smith uttered failed to come to pass. Yet, over 7 million people place their eternal salvation on the line in their testimony that he was/is the one.... who reigns in courts on high...to plead their cause above.....NO! they are not singing about Jesus......but Joseph.

It is said within the book of Morman that they are THE only TRUE church in the world. So as I listened to the speech, I wondered about his eloquence at embracing all faiths.

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Kaz, Broadalbin, NY — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:07:50 GMT

I am absolutely HORRIFIED by this man and his speech! To think that someone running to be president of THIS nation would promote ANY type of religious values is disgraceful. Too many voters in this country are so focused on the religious beliefs of the candidates to think clearly at the polls. In a country FOUNDED on the SEPARATION of "church & state", the ONLY THING voters should be concerned with regarding the religion/non-religion of a candidate is if s/he can be trusted to NOT impose his/her beliefs on the people while governing. Period.

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Lizzy, SD, CA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:09:57 GMT

Sure would be awesome to have that kind of depth and understanding regularly displayed by the leader of the entire free world. I just can't see Romney not being the next president.

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1 Beverly, Salt Lake City, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:13:37 GMT

Today, I am so proud to be an American! Mitt Romney's speech is just what we needed! We need to be reminded of why this country exists in the first place, religious freedom, moral values, brother & sister hood, and freedom and equality for all. I know as President, our country will be in the right hands, a man of integrity, character, and strength of convictions. We need him as never before! America do what is right!! Help Mitt Romney become our next President of The United States!!!

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Scott, Greenville, SC — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:18:14 GMT

Mitt Romey is the epitome of a politican. He's charismatic, yes. He's a good speaker, yes. But he flip flops on issues (used to be pro-gay and pro-abortion, but now he's not...) when it's most convinient and will say anything to get elected. I'd rather have a president that won't lie to us (had that for 16 years thank you) and will stand by his/her stances on important issues. I mean, come on Mitt...how can you support something as controversial as abortion one day, and not the next?

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Charles, NY, NY — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:25:19 GMT

I feel very badly for Pat in Huntington NY. She must not have gotten her welfare check on time this week.

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Bob Haws, Marshfield, WI — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:27:21 GMT

I'm an undecided voter at this point. I just read the transcript of the speech and find it to be exceptional. It can be compared to the speech of JFK but it is different. He is speaking to the heart of Americans in 2007. The speech has substance not sound bites. This is a man of greatness. Unfortunately the same eloquence is not shared by some of the respondents. Obviously bigotry is still firmly entrenched in America. I would vote for a Hindu, Muslim, Jew or a Mormon(aka Christian) if he or she has great character and are able to lead the country in the direction that I, as a citizen, believe is best for the land I love. I remain undecided at this point but I am surely leaning more towards voting for Mitt Romney than ever before.

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Tracy, GA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:31:03 GMT

For those of you that still persist in bigoted prejudice against the best presidental canidate we have had in years, if not decades, " You get what you get and you don't pitch a fit!" Or at least that's what I'd say to you if Hilary gets elected because you sit home on election day because a MORMON, won the republican nomination!!!

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doug holmes, chapel hill, nc — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:35:02 GMT

Mitt and Mike--that's the ticket to beat Billary!

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Jeff, Bellingham, Washington — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:36:19 GMT

The blogger that states that Mormonism is a "cult" misrepresents its teachings and is merely repeating misleading anti-Mormon talking points. It is not a doctrine of the LDS faith that Jesus and Satan are brothers in any sense that the anti-Mormon blogger wants you to believe. It is a Biblical doctrine that Satan is a fallen angel, formerly known as Lucifer, meaning "son of the morning". See Isaiah 14:12. That is as far as Mormon theology takes that point. They do not suggest that Jesus and Satan are comrades or share any brotherly fellowship, etc.

Mormons do believe in proxy baptism on behalf of the dead. While that is unique, it is known that the Apostle Paul discussed the fact that early Christians were performing Baptisms for the dead as evidence that they should have hope that the dead will eventually rise in the resurrection. See 1 Corinthians 15:29. The New American Bible published by the Catholic Church admits in a footnote that this refers to proxy baptism for the dead but argues that it isn't clear whether Paul was endorsing the practice.

The traditional Christian doctrine of the holy trinity cannot be found in the Bible. See Harpers Bible Dictionary (Paul F. Achtemeier, ed. (1985), page 1099. It is the product of debate at the original Catholic Councils that produced the Nicean Creed.

The "eternally pregnant" status of women and argument that blacks were ever disfavored as chilren of God in Mormon doctrine are at best speculative mischaracterizations and more likely wilfull mischaracterizations of the Mormon position.

Harry's claims about the Book of Mormon are stated as non-controversial truths, and they are not. In point of fact, there is absolutely no archaeological evidence that the Exodus happened or that the Children of Israel were ever kept captive in Egypt. Would he denounce the Bible as a fabrication?

More to the point, what does any of this have to do with Mitt Romney's capacity to be President and to speak to people of all faiths? Harry is simply a religious bigot who has swallowed a lot of anti-Mormon cool aid. I'm surprised that a person who has supposedly been given an education in the Bible is so little acquainted with its contents (beyond traditionally accepted axioms) and so unable to think past the religious bigotry that he has been subjected to. Its sad--very sad. Mormons and more traditional Christian groups have bigger enemies in the political arena than each other these days. It would pay if they stuck together. Stop trying to spread misinformation and half truths about the Mormons.

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Tom, Sacramento — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:36:49 GMT

My Favorite line from this thread was from Harry in Phoenix Arizona:

"I am someone with a Bachelor's degree in both Bible & Religion"

Bachelor's degree in bible studies! well hot damn Harry, with that kind of education why haven't you written a book yet?!?

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StopHilary, NY, NY — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:39:52 GMT

Narrow-minded and bigoted people will use theological differences between churches as an excuse or justification to vote one way or the other. Doing it that way makes it much easier than evaluating the candidates on their merits.

Unfortunately, that makes about as much sense as deciding what make/model of car to buy based on which teams win the Superbowl or World Series. Since the Red Sox won, I'll buy a Chrysler... never mind about comparing fuel economy ratings, safety ratings, or price.

Mitt's reputation as a flip-flopper is undeserved. He has fully explained himself, and that issue has been put to rest.

Fears that the Mormon Prophet will suddenly have a "revelation" that instructs the Mormon President to invade Iran (as an example) are equally unfounded. There are dozens of Mormons serving in government positions, including Harry Reid (Democrat), majority leader in the Senate. If the Mormon Church wanted to exert undue influence on the government, wouldn't they have already been trying to do so for years?

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pat huntington ny — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:45:25 GMT

I feel very badly for Pat in Huntington NY. She must not have gotten her welfare check on time this week.
Charles, NY, NY (Sent Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:25 PM)

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First, use the correct pronoun, it's HE. SEcond, Piss off you bloody wanker!

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Lyn,WA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:45:50 GMT

5 sons - no military service! BLOW IT out your ear!
He's very SLICK....icky slick! Joe Biden is the man! His son is currently serving in Iraq...he has so much experience in foreign relations and diplomacy - He is completely presidential!

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AM Chicago — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:49:22 GMT

I haven't yet made up my mind on whether or not Mitt gets my vote, but I'm impressed by his resume.
We've got a country struggling on the brink of a financial disaster, and stuck in a war because both sides are too pig headed to come to an agreement.
Then we're presented with a choice of candidates who push to drive us deeper into debt, in to war, and into economic downturn and we criticize the one of the few that has a history of impressive turnarounds not because of his qualifications, but because we don't agree with his view of god?
Sure there's some questionable things about momoronism, but in the bible I read (king james version) there's some pretty questionable things too... What religion doesn't have things that sound completely insane to outsiders?
So what about the moromons history? Once again, what church doesn't have some pretty colorful excerpts in the history column?
Now as far as a direct line to Salt Lake City... come on, do you have that little faith in the American system of checks and balances?
And to Mitt and everyone else in this race... What are you going to do to earn my vote?

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Phil in Olympia — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:55:57 GMT

This was a really awesome speech, and this only reinforces my support for Romney. He touched on everything that I feel very strongly about in recent years, regarding the fine line between separation of church and state without totally eliminating religion from the public sphere, giving examples of one extreme and the other. Those bigots who either want a secular atheistic religion as our state government or those who want some kind of intolerant, judgemental "Christian" state government are really the same, coming from opposite extremes. Both are prejudiced, bigoted, intolerant groups of people who are "quick to find fault", "quick to judge" and are so negative and bitter towards those who don't believe as they do, that a government with these kinds of people in power would be an oppressive and dictatorial one with little or no freedom. Mitt has shown that he is of neither extreme, and is not the type to be judgemental or bigoted towards those of differing religious beliefs, as long as they are good law-abiding citizens. Anti-Mormon comments which I see on this blog only show that the authors of such cannot be taken seriously, since they fit the category of extremists, who, if in a government position, would be abusive to those with beliefs different than theirs. No one except idiots would want such people running the government.

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Rob — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:56:07 GMT

That speech was simply unbelievable. I literally teared up when he said the following:

"Recall the early days of the First Continental Congress in Philadelphia, during the fall of 1774. With Boston occupied by British troops, there were rumors of imminent hostilities and fears of an impending war. In this time of peril, someone suggested that they pray. But there were objections. 'They were too divided in religious sentiments', what with Episcopalians and Quakers, Anabaptists and Congregationalists, Presbyterians and Catholics.

"Then Sam Adams rose, and said he would hear a prayer from anyone of piety and good character, as long as they were a patriot.

"And so together they prayed, and together they fought, and together, by the grace of God ... they founded this great nation.

Wow - just - wow

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Leonard, Honolulu, Hawaii — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:58:42 GMT

Religion is big business if you ask a Baptist about Mormons you can expect a negative responce, if you ask Mcdonalds about Burger Kings you can also expect a negative responce. I am glad to hear from Mitt Romney I think he made allot of sense and his family proves he is a good man.

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Mev, Marlboro, MA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:04:27 GMT

pat huntington ny,

The Big Dig has been around for a long time (conceived in the 70's, funded over Reagan's veto and ground broken in 1991). Mitt fought during most of his time as governor for more direct control over what was happening with it because it has been a debacle long before he was elected. It took a gigantic cement ceiling tile killing someone for the stupid MA legislature to listen to him and fire the guy in charge of it.

Please don't associate all Massachusetts ills with Mitt -- he fought a LOT of VERY uphill battles.

And try doing some homework before posting.

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Lee in CA — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:11:01 GMT

"Sounds like the Bushies are convinced. By Bushies..I mean people who voted for Bush because they believed in his "moral convictions" while ignoring his record and actions. "

I read it pretty much the same. Calling Busg the "best alternative" - better than McCain in 00? Better than a flat tire in '04? Sorry.

I agree with my fellow ant hill worshiper that it shouldn't matter, but I'm scared to death of another ideologue with a much ballyhood faith, brain damage and a messianic complex itchin' to bring on the apocalypse - most of the GOP field.

Are mormons in that crowd that think the earth is 6,000 years old, and all those fossils are a conspiracy theory? Those guys scare me.

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Mark, NC — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:12:23 GMT

The speech was okay, but the problem I still have is that same thought has not been extended to Obama by Mitt and the Repubs. Mitt said "DON'T judge me because I'm a mormon, I can be president, but DON'T vote for Obama because he may be a scary muslim even though there is no proof." I know politics is dirty, but there are some lines that should not be crossed. If the Repubs and Mitt choose the light side and stop the religious baiting, then this was a great speech. If they choose the dark side and keep smearing Obama as some secret muslim plant, then all that has been said is total BS. Before you all jump down my throat remember Mitt said religious tolerance. As long as one can focus on our common values and lead from the constitution, them I have no problem with one's religion.

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Lesli, Syracuse, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:16:15 GMT

Voting for or against Mitt Romney because of his faith, is as fundamentally wrong as not voting for Hillary Clinton because of her gender, or Barack Obama because of the color of his skin. As AMERICANS we have a Constitutional obligation to vote based on who it is we feel is best qualified to hold office. Test yourself on the issues, are you for or against abortion, same sex marraige? What about the war in Iraq? Where do you stand as an American? Religious descrimination should not factor into the American voting process. In America it is against the law to hire or fire someone based on any of the following clasifications: Race, Sex, Religion, Age, and Disability. If you believe in this practice of equallity, then as an American you owe it to yourselves, and your country to vote solely on who is the most qualified for the job. I know I will look at the issues that I hold dear, I will pray about them, and then I will vote accordingly. And in no way will my vote be influenced by my evangelical beliefs, because I am not voting for a new Pastor, I am voting for President of the United States.

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CJ — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:17:04 GMT

1 Beverly the pillars of this countries founding does NOT include moral values, brotherhood/sisterhood. Where in the constitution are those exact words. That is why some people think it is a requirement for POTUS candidates to giver sermons and testimonies to such to "moral values" and use it as a definition of being a leader. The government is not responsible for such issues....every individual acts in accordance to their own beliefs...but don't expect goverment to promote it as you and others of your attitude seem to believe.

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TS, Beavercreek, ohio — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:19:29 GMT

I have felt sorry for Pat from NY for quite a while. Someone just needs to love this person. Every blog I read from this person reeks ignorance, bitterness and a life full of disappointment. It's not a matter of who you vote for or what you believe, but all you do is bash. You're mean spirited, it's truly quiet sad.

Personally, Romney is a leader that can be trusted to look up to. A man of optimism, courage, and strong convictions. Whether mine or not, HE HAS THIS FAMILIES VOTES!!!

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CJ — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:23:57 GMT

StopHilary it is not put to rest because a pattern of flip flopping shows a degree of political calculation that does not equate with leadership. Just because he seems like a nice person or makes eloquent speeches doesn't change leadership ability.

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tired in georgia — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:33:19 GMT

Do I think mick is basicialy a good man, sure, do I care one way or the other what his religion is no,what I don't want is one more rich man in the whitehouse telling us he feels our pain. 20 years of Buses, clintons and kennedys is enough,Huckeybe or obama are the kind of man we need to elect. will we do that probably not, politicians lie to us because we want them to,expect them to and won't vote for them if they don't,we want what is best for us, our state or our favorite pork project. The clintons have always had it right if we don't care for 1 lie just keep telling us more until we find one we agree with.

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RGO, California — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:39:02 GMT

Bryden and California Landscaper. You are missing my point. Its not about Mitt's Landscaper or illegal aliens. They are a dime a dozen. Its about Mitt's double standard. He is using the illegal alien issue as part of his campaign platform hoping to garner more votes ... in the meantime, he employs them. when he is called on it (twice) he does nothing until they investigate him. Romney needs to be judged by his actions not by some well oiled speech. When you do start looking at this man what he has said vs what he has done, he gives the term "flip flop" a whole new meaning. In 2004, the flip flop politcal term was brought to light by the GOP and it will come back to haunt them in 2008.

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George Hilton, Fort Collins, CO — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:03:14 GMT

Harry in Phoenix: They're all cults, yours included. Look at the REAL documented history of any religious movement (Christianity included) and you can find plenty of weird, cultish stuff to mock and name call over (or, as has all too often happened in our history, fight a war/commit an atrocity over - fantastically stupid and hypocritical as that would seem given the tenets most religions supposedly cherish.)

This isn't coming from an atheist either. God is out there, and if he wasn't there to make it right someday, what a dreadful, unfair, unfortunate hell world this would be (we Americans, mostly, have it somewhat easier - look elsewhere, though, and you'll know what I mean.) But I like to believe God is a just and good being, and doesn't send good, decent people to an eternal hell because out of a toss up of thousands of different religions, cultures, and competing ideas, they happened to pick the "wrong" one... That would be a very unjust, capricious god, unworthy of worship. Yet most "Christians" maintain this is the case if you don't happen to believe in Jesus as told in the Bible. Just another way for some folks to feel superior I suppose, the same way as some use race as a reason to look down on others. Bigotry is bigotry, doesn't matter what you base it on. And I doubt God is happy about it.

As for Mitt, the religion thing wasn't an issue for me, one way or another. So though it was a good speech and probably a good move in his campaign, I don't like his platform, and will take my vote elsewhere.

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David, TX — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:08:57 GMT

All,

Can one be a "pro-life" Democrat?

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Chief, Cushing, OK — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:22:20 GMT

StopHilary foolishly writes that Romney's Flip-flops have "been put to rest". Read the thread and you will see that it is not the case. Instead of sugar coating Romney's flaws, try to find a legitimate reason to support him or to avoid Hilary. I'll research the issues and find my match but I am sure that I will not use the religion of Romney nor the gender of Hilary to influence my decision.

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Richard, Washington State — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:27:51 GMT

Lyn, WA:

See the following quote from Wikipedia:

"Biden (Joe Biden III aka Beau) is a member of the Delaware Army National Guard, as a Captain in the Judge Advocate General's office.

In August of 2007, he received notice that his unit would be deployed to Iraq some time in 2008. His father, Senator Biden, is on the record as saying, "I don't want him going. But I tell you what, I don't want my grandson or my granddaughters going back in 15 years, and so how we leave makes a big difference." [1]

He is going, apparently, but is not there yet. Maybe it's a minor point, but your statement isn't accurate.

His son also will not likely serve in a combat role, as he is the current Attorney General of Delaware and in the guard serves with the Judge Advocate Generals office. Nevertheless, he should be commended for going in any capacity.

Joe Biden himself, the candidate for president, shows no military service though ample opportunity existed as he attended college and law school through the Vietnam conflict.

Mitt Romney also did not serve and apparently "avoided" it in the same way as Biden and millions of other young men, primarily by going to school. In his case he also served his two and half year mission during this period.

Do you really think two presidential candidates with similar non-military records in their own right should be judged according to whether one of their sons may or may not have served?

Your comment about Romney's sons is irrelevant. Hillary does not have a son or daughter serving and her husband did not serve. Neither does Obama nor Edwards have children serving. As far as I know, neither does Thompson or Guiliani or Huckabee or Kucinich.

All you are really interested in is taking a cheap shot at Mitt Romney and, apparently his sons.

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Richard, Washington — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:34:04 GMT

For what it's worth, I also might add that Joe Biden married while in law school in 1966 and that his story of non-military service isn't all that different than Dick Cheney's.

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Kira, Utah — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:35:06 GMT

Victor- Romney said this is not the time about changing the "don't ask don't tell" policy- not about whether or not gays should be in the military. He has indicated that changing the DADT policy during a war would be risky for all the military including the gays- wait till a time of peace to deal with social issues.

Scott- have you never had a change of heart about anything? Romney has explained several times (including during the last debate), why and when his position on abortion changed (when he was faced with a bill about embryonic stem cell research). By the way, even when he was pro-choice a few years ago, he still said he personally thought abortion was wrong. So he's in essence always felt the same way, he's just had a change of heart about whether or not the practice should be legal.

Doug- I think a Mitt/Mike ticket would be great, considering that they are the two best candidates in the party right now. I'd be ok with a Mike/Mitt too.

Jeff- VERY well said!

Tom- Funny!

Mark- when did Mitt say that people should not vote for Obama because he "might" be a muslim? I don't recall ever hearing that and I've considered voting for both of them... just wondering.

RGO- like the abortion question, Romney has also addressed the landscaper issue several times. He hired an American company that employeed hispanics. He did not know they were illegals, and as he pointed out to Rudy, it would be racist to question every spanish speaking individual he ever meets about his papers. The responsibility was the company's, not Mitt's. When he found out they were illegals, he told the company to fix it or he would fire them. He followed through. How is that a flip-flop? The INS knows who the company was, if they want to go after them, they certainly can.

Everyone, firstread blogs are so interesting, and the varied opinions make for really good reading... but at least be up with the current information when you post. Rehashing the same old arguments gets boring :) Just my opinion

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Richard, Washington State — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:37:23 GMT

Mark, NC:

The only smearing of Obama on the bogus muslim/education in a madrassa charge lately has been from Hillary's camp. Not that she had anything to do with it.

Maybe a citation to back up your absurd "quotes"?

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HMT — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:14:38 GMT

another mitt-flop

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Sam, AL — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:33:44 GMT

So everyone who thought Romney's speech was all warm and fuzzy ... how much would you like to bet you would've rolled your eyes if it was a Muslim or a Buddhist giving the same speech (sans the Christ references) who was running for President. If the same man were a satanist, atheist, or even a Jehovah's Witness, you would be prejudiced. If one candidate should get to have the national spotlight and every headline for a speech on faith, they all should. But will they all get the same sympathy? Nope. Just the "martyrs." He just took another giant step toward Democrat for me.

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Bobby, Las Vegas, Nevada — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:35:33 GMT

I am agnostic and follow no particular religion. I believe there is a god and if one is honest and faithful, works hard and respects and helps his fellow man, he will earn his way to heaven. The variations and respect of different religions make America great. Mitt Romney is a fine man, married 36 years, with a fine family and a strong successful background in managing one of the most liberal states in the nation. The mormon religion teaches its followers to refrain from liquor, drugs, smoking which certainly is good advice. All religions prescribe the good life and give followers something to believe in. Mitt has promised not to take away my occasional Bud-Lite so lets give this strong leader and presidential candidate consideration as he may be our best chance to defeat Billary and the Socialist Gang.

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Meredith P — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:12:51 GMT

To Harry in AZ:

As both a Mormon and a woman, your statements about this church being a cult and its opinion of women and blacks are nothing but LIES. 100% LIES. Want to know how the Mormon (LDS) church views women and blacks? Ask Gladys Knight--a woman, a black, AND a MORMON (it's true...ask her yourself. I've heard her myself talk about her conversion).

Mormons ARE Christians, not some weirdo cult. We share beliefs and morals with most of America. The LDS church will NOT run Mitt's presidency. Every election year the church presidency sends a letter to be read in all meetings, which reaffirms the POLITICAL NEUTRALITY of the church, and re-states that they DO NOT ENDORSE ANY CANDIDATE (including Mr. Romney). They only urge all of us, no matter our political stance, to vote. Vote for Hillary, vote for Mitt, or vote for Mr. Jones down the street: just vote.

Mitt is the right man for the job. He also happens to be a Mormon. So what??

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David Rupert, denver, co — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:22:01 GMT

You dont have to agree with theology to agree that real and authentic faith is important for our leaders.
I appreciate that he
a) has faith
b) he is passionate about it
c) he lives it out
d) and he talks about it.

I certainly don't agree with the tenents of the LDS church, but i like how he has elevated the discussion.
For an evangelical’s perspective, go to the Red Letter Believers blog at:

http://redletterbelievers.blogspot.com/2007/12/romney-speaks-out.html

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Richard, Washington State — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:55:35 GMT

Mev,Marlboro MA:

Thanks for the clarification, Mev. It could be said that Ted Kennedy has more to do with the Big Dig than Romney, along with more than one prior governor.

Thanks for setting Pat, Huntington NY straight though you could be tilting at windmills in that instance.

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leon houston — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 03:35:22 GMT

why no mention of romney exploiting Pearl Harbor day????

so much for the liberal media.

so much for a day that will live in infamy.

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leon houston — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 03:50:53 GMT

shame on romney for trying to make money on Pearl Harbor day. he gives the speech today and plans a major fund raising push tomorrow Dec.7. either callous or ignorant. he could have given that speech on Dec15 or Jan.8 but he decides all of a sudden to cordinate it with Pearl Harbor day?

no such thing as a coincidence people.

flip-flop,flip-flop,flip-flop,flip-flop,flip-flop

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Gary, Huntington Beach, California — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 05:43:19 GMT

A comment on "...Freedom Requires Religion..." Freedom requires morals, without morals society reverts to self interest, freedom most certainly suffers. What are the forces that develop and keeps morals in society? Many religions serve this function. Good morals are fostered by many types of religions. So, does freedom require religion? In many ways I would say yes. What other force in society instills good morals....Hollywood?

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RB in CA — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 06:33:21 GMT

Some of these cult bloggers crack me up. Harry in Phoenix, try READING the Book of Mormon...put it and our doctrine through the test. Do some real examination, know your facts. I'd say you're ignorant at best and unfortunately, have an opportunity via this site to state some pretty silly (e.g. stupid), mindless opinions about something you obviously no very littel about factually. Where do you pick up that stuff? From some other misinformed blogger?

Read the book...do the work...visit a Mormon congregation...see what this great Church stands for and what it espouses. My gosh, you are an idiot and yes, I am a pragmatic, moderate California Mormon who feels your head is buried up your rear orifice a little too far. I'd like my response to be more Christian. But since some leaflet you probably read formed your opinion about our "cult" beliefs, I cna be a bit more secular in my response and address your stupidity with greater candor.

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Lee, NY, NY — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 07:47:38 GMT

Mitt Romney hates muslims, so far as I can tell, so he is not a real religious person. I don't care what religion he is and fact that he doesn't realize that there are two americas, when there are 37 million people living beneath the poverty line, also tells me what kind of person he is. He cares only about the rich like himself, tax breaks for the rich and corporations, rattles sabors and believes in continuing the war in Iraq and the other countries in the middle east. Mr. Romney, is not presidential material, just like Obama isn't. Get lost Romney go back to whereever you came from. You couldn't shine JFK's shoes should he have lived.

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Tom Salt Lake City Utah — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 08:45:42 GMT

Who cares which superstition he believes in, there all delusional. For example he states as fact that all the good deeds of man are because of some old space daddy. Very narrow minded for someone who want to be President.

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Brian, Las Vegas — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 08:54:50 GMT

Actually, I think it's Hillary's camp trying to smear Obama as a Muslim, not the Repubs...yet, anyway.

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gab, Texas — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 09:30:02 GMT

Mitts glossy speech may be easy to eat up, but remember the presidential race is just a job interview. Like any one of us, we put on our best face for the job. Afterwards, how much of our old habits then return.In this sense I must consider Mitts past political history vs. what he is offering now.

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Mark Bales, Hauula, Hawaii. — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:41:55 GMT

To:
Jeff, Bellingham, Washington (Sent Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:36 PM)

Well stated and thoughtful references. I will take Romney at his word.

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David Rupert, Denver, CO — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:22:48 GMT

For an intelligent evangelical response to the speech, check out:

www.redletterbelievers.blogspot.com

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J. Kyle Howard, Richmond, VA — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:38:19 GMT

A man should never be judged by his words. Mitt Romney was the recipient of a well written speech to which he read very well. Don't be swayed by such. Religion is based on faith not fact for that alone I would venture to say that all religions are cultish. What religion did Jesus practice? and was he not Jewish? Just a thought. Arguing about beliefs is a waste of time because beliefs are thoughts of convenience. George Bush is supposed to be a Christian yet his works are totally opposite. I say vote for the person who wrote the speech whoever that is.

Mitt says that his religion will not control his predidency. That is an impossibility. Mormon is who he says he is and will absolutely control his decisions

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Jose Alemar — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:17:20 GMT

Harry,Phonix,AZ.
Son: I am trying to agree to disagree however, for what I can understand you dont have any idea of what yo are talking about. Having a master degree means nothing. Please do not misunderstand me I am a thinker and Gnostic; I don't believe in any religion that is leaded by an elite for personal gaining and power.
When Jesus was on earth he came to teach and help those that were oppressed and abuse by the upper elite. He came not to save any one, he came to show they way (He was a Gnostic)
The old testament is full of errors and misinterpretations, the new testament has been re-written to serve religion but even that it has been re-written and change there are parts that have been untouched because they can not understand it. Due to the fact that they see no damage's,the parts that I am talking about hide great secret not revealed to only a few.
Ask any question and I will answer.
A friend.

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L.E. — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:41:26 GMT

As an actress, one eloquent speech doesn't convince me. Yes, it kept a nice cadence , well said, good poise, etc. But it is imperative that we construct an accurate picture by taking into serious account one's record. Do we see consistency? Of course I need not expound on what many are questioning about Romney's consistency, but in my observations the one consistent thing about Mormons is their inconsistency. And yes, I've attended the church of the L.D.S., talked numerous times with Mormons, researched their beliefs. I urge anyone who is truly interested to do the same. It DOES make a difference what religion defines our President because that's what defines his moral values (and yes, atheism is a religion). Moral values also go more than skin or campaign-deep. Romney's flip-flopping is consistent with his church's doctrines, where truth is more of a convienent commodity. I like Mike Huckabee because wether I agree with him on everything or not, at least he's doggone consistent, and that's a moral value I can stand to have in the White House.

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AL SALT LAKE CITY UTAH — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:46:29 GMT

Great speech?
All i seen him do is ramble on, side step,duck ,bob,and weave. Your typical,no strait answer politician.
If he was so proud of his faith,and thinks it's christian why did'nt he get specific?
Wake up America!........Vote Ron Paul !