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Dan,atlanta,GA — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:19:51 GMT

Chuck Todd is carrying Huckabee's water. Stop trying to push Huckabee like every other liberal.

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John Alexander,Edinboro,PA — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:42:43 GMT

Huck may get a free ride from some in the media but the repub machine knows how to dissect the man, he will finally get bloody, but will he stay standing or go the way of Rudy and Fred, also rans. The eastern bank crowd will put its money behind Romney, they want their party back, look out southern evangelicals they are tired of your noise and want to get back to making money, not pleasing you and the faithful anymore. Less than amonth to go, YEHAH, lets get this ball a rollin!

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John Alexander,Edinboro,PA — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:53:27 GMT

There is a reason Fred is doing so bad, he is just a media copy of a greater folksy american, Will Rogers.
This dog don't hunt
two bricks shy of a load
Can lead a horse to water
A pig in a poke
Need we hear more?

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Sane in Ut — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:58:45 GMT

The left leaning media has pushed Huck to soon. Now he is in the crosshairs, and they will end up having to run against one of the other canidates after all the attention shows how flawed his record is. It is entertaining that while destroying each other they would spend their positive efforts on the republican they would most like to run against.

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Fred C. Dobbs, Sierra Madre — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:07:56 GMT

Another MSNBC web site coverage to include the
daily constant pounding of Clinton. Criticism is
one thing but this bias in favor of Obama is
turning me away from MSNBC. Fair and equal treatment maybe too much to ask.

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Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:15:20 GMT

So the GOP race in Iowa comes down to Jesus and Satan? I'm sure in some people's minds, the Upstairs/Downstairs Economy, the endless Iraq War, and the USA's negative World Image, all rest on that. But most Americans, not to mention Iowans, would prefer a secular answer to those problems.

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HMT-MI — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:19:02 GMT

old Bush introducing Romney at his Texas library was telling us that Romney is the one---Rudy has too much crap in his past.Besides Romney loves Bushs wars and continues to support whatever the warmonger does.He wants to enlarge the military---what a joke ----his cowardly sons sure won't be included.I pray no republican gets in the whitehouse----or in congress.Enough is enough

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SWR, Logan, Utah — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:19:23 GMT

Huckabee flip-flop (mine). At first I thought Huckabee was a good guy, one that I could vote for but without enough backing to get there. Next I saw him as a principled man with conservative social values but questionable economic values. Now I see him as a person who has sold his soul. The currect religion baiting being done by his campaign should be repugnant to all fair minded Americans. It should be especially repugnant to those who have been excluded from the American Dream with a 'wink and a nod' by those who did not like their race, their gender, their religion or their economic background. America is better than that. I beleive that Christians are better than that and will reject the currect religion baiting.

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Caine, Eugene, Oregon — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:19:40 GMT

Huckabee may resonate with the religious right, butthat's it. Of course the media promotes him, because it will increase the odds of a Democratic win. Thye could have given the same attention to Ron Paul, who has far broader support, but would siphon suppotr from Democrats as well as Republicans. I left the Republican party 10 or so years ago, and am a registered independent.

Ron Paul is accused of being extreme. He certainly has his quirks. If elected he certainly won't get everything he wants. But he's the only candidate that offers an antidote to our deepening morass. All the others are debating how much lubricant to apply to the slippery slope we are on.

I challenge MSNBC and the rest of the media to give Ron Paul the coverage his degree of support deserves. And watch out this Sunday!

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David Welts, Seattle, Wash. — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:24:58 GMT

It would be interesting to see a ticket that has Giuliani/Huckabee on it, with Huckabee as running as VP. I don't believe that the country as a whole can stomach just how far right his christian conservativism takes him, but perhaps his inclusion on the ticket as VP helps the republicans retain the White House?

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Molly Maguire, Chautauqua NY — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:26:30 GMT

Enough focus on the "horserace," the nation is in jeopardy. Let's hear more about sound voices like that of Joe Biden.

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Andrew (Charleston, SC) — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:28:04 GMT

I hope Romney crucifies Huckabee over these "Mormons think God and devil are brothers?" comments that Huck apparently released in an upcoming article (see drudge report..). The whole "good ole boy" mantra is wearing thin on this kook, and I can see especially Romney, Paul, and Giuliani getting a boost from this debate as Huckabee plummets.

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Jeff Fort Lauderdale FL — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:28:29 GMT

Wont the evangelicals be in a pickle if its Romney and Obama to choose from. I can't wait for the outcome and I'm going to laugh all the way to the bank. A previous poster is right, the bank crowd is taking back the republican party from these church zelots, Huckabee might win Iowa but not much else, the forces behind Romney will crucify him over this letting the convicted rapist out of jail scandal. Huck has more hidden in his closet than Lance Bass.

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Rob, Iowa — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:37:04 GMT

Hmm, I dunno. I don't see this same harsh drill down into the Democratic candidates. But being a Republican, we expect it. "The stronger the breeze, the stronger the trees".

Whenever I watch news cable news coverage of the Democratic race, I want to puke. It's a frickin' love fest. "What does Hillary need to do?" What does Obama need to do?" Can we please look honestly into each Democratic canidates past? The fundrasing from the Hillary camp sure seems suspect.

From my perspective, any bad news on any Democrat is quicly swept under the rug. Whereas, if a Republican picks his nose it's front page news.

A philandering President? Wow, where have we heard that before.

The press is doing all they can to get a Democrat elected. But hey, watch who's calling the kettle black.

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CitizenJ — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:43:30 GMT

Once the media gets over this overnight rise in the polls, people will actually start looking at his record (i.e. quarantine AIDS victims, give illegal immigrants scholarships, doesn't believe in evolution, yada yada yada) and he will disappear - even if he does win Iowa.

Mark my words.

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Travis, Louisville, Ky — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:44:46 GMT

Oh how cute, a battle of the yelling temperamental half-wits and the good old boy who believes the earth is only 6,000 years old. What fun!

Do the country a favor and vote blue in 08.

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Leonard Clinton, Chicago, Illinois — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:49:33 GMT

Listen, I'm TIRED of having to hear about ROMNEY being a Mormon, I'm TIRED of hearing about how many times RUDY's been married. It's SIMPLE, ONLY ROMNEY OR RUDY CAN BEAT A DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE, NO MATTER WHO THAT WINDS UP BEING!!!! Does anyone in this country remember the fact that WE DON'T ELECT SENATORS PRESIDENT?? The last one was JFK. You can't count FORD because he FELL INTO it. So, all you KNOW-IT-ALLS out there... LOOK FOR ROMNEY OR RUDY to be there WHEN IT COUNTS!!!

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TW, NY — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:53:45 GMT

Rob, Iowa

Not sure you have actually been watching the news over the last two months, but Hillary gets pounded everyday. The Norman Hsu fundraising story constantly drags Hillary's name into it eventhough most of the democrats received money from him. The media just loves to go after the front runners. Now that Huckabee and Obama are the front runners in Iowa, you can see the media starting to go after them. You will see more and more negative stories about Obama and Huckabee over the next few weeks. The media went after McCain, then Edwards, then Romney, then Hillary, then Guliani, and now it's Obama and Huckabee's turn. All the negative stuff about Obama and Huckabee have been out there for a while, they just refused to print it until they became frontrunners. It's all about tearing down the person on top. Anyone who thinks the media is for a certain candidate, they are way off base. The media only cares about a big story and they will do anything to get it.

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--NSMSNBC — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:06:19 GMT

If you think the 'left' media is pushing Huckabee, might you consider that you are in fact politicizing the news more than the media institutions?

*I'd also bet that there's more myth than fact surrounding M. Huckabee out there, good or bad. Thanks to both the conservative commentary and the liberal elite.

[-- "How he talks: His 87-year-old mother's advice persuaded him to reject the new intelligence report ...] I love this, F. Thompson running for President of the United States, getting advice from his mother on policy. I'm glad nobody cares about him.

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--NSMSNBC — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:07:14 GMT

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Steve. Boise, ID — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:07:57 GMT

Andrew, Mormons do believe Jesus and Satan are brothers. That there was a war in heaven, with Satan losing and leaving. The third that were with Jesus are born white, and the spirits that were fence sitters are born black. They also believe that God (the father) physically impregnated Mary (his own spirit daughter) incestously to "beget" Jesus.

Heck any mormon child can tell you this. I know because I was raised mormon, 4 years of seminary, 2 year mission, married in their temple, and finally discovered the truth and left.

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SUE BRIGHT PARAGOULD,AR — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:08:34 GMT

WELL TO START I AM FROM HUCKABEES STATE ARKANSAS AND WHEN HE GOVERNED THIS STATE OUR STATE SUFFERED, OUR SCHOOLS SUFFERED AND WHEN HE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH DIABETES HE THOUGHT THE ENTIRE STATE SHOULD BE ON A DIET,CAN'T IMAGINE HIM CONTROLLING ANY FURTHER GOVT,LARGE OR SMALL.YOU'VE HEARD OF A SHEEP IN WOLVES CLOTHING.

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Anne Cook, Spanish Fork , Utah — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:11:13 GMT

As it is nearing election time, I have been reading and watching the comments made by the presidential candidates. I want to make an educated vote when the time arrives. I am very disheartened to see that this election is turning into a religion bashing fiasco. I was very disappointed to hear Gov. Huckabee's comments against the Mormon religion. Though his statement was given in a derogatory tone, he was exactly right. As a practicing mormon, we do believe that Jesus Christ and Satan are brothers, sons of God. We believe that we are all children of God given free agency with the right to choose right or wrong. The choice is up to each of us how we live our lives and along with the choice comes the consequence, good or bad.
I hope that we can all make an educated decision when it comes to choosing the next president of the United States. I hope that the candidate will be chosen on their own merits and not discounted just because of their religious beliefs.

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Kathryn in Bham — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:14:55 GMT

What is so threatening about Huckabee's beliefs/convictions and moral foundation? I don't see him trying to push anything on anyone... the only people trying to push their views/opinions are those who oppose his. I think he is a strong candidate based on much more than his character, which holds fast despite the constant criticism. I am for a candidate who wants to initiate change and direct this country in a positive direction. I am for a candidate who we can trust to take over in a difficult time, be open to progression in foreign and domestic affairs, help us recognize as a country what we can do to move forward and who is not afraid to speak out and take action. We need someone who is not making decisions based on "so and so did this wrong and it's time I right it"... like the democrats are doing. We all know that we are not in a place we want to be right now, a place created by many factors, and we need CHANGE and accountability to turn things around. HUCKABEE IS THE CANDIDATE WHO CAN AND WILL DO THAT!

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Perla — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:20:35 GMT

It makes me sad that Mr. Huckabee is criticizing the LDS religion. Why don't you just stop and concentrate more on our nations problems. I hate to think that your using this to get more points....Do you believe in the Lord? What do you think he is thinking of you or anyone that criticizes anyone for any reason. My religion (LDS) has taught me to respect others no matter what there believes are. What has yours taught you? May God bless you and everyone that is with him. I hope he lets you realize that he loves ALL of us no matter what religion we are.

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Chris — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:24:35 GMT

I didn't read all the comments posted, but did anyone notice that this spokesperson never denied that they believe that Christ and Satan were brothers? More importantly though, faith is an important aspect for defining who a candidate is and knowing what values will drive their decisions, but it shouldn't be the focus of the race. Even Huckabee and Romney would both agree with that. The media is turning this into a circus and the public will be turned off again. Look at each of the candidates positions and make the informed decision of who you will support. Quit looking for perfect people. You will not find one.
On that note, GO HUCKABEE!

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DRT, UT — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:28:21 GMT

Good Job Steve of Boise ID. The truth will set you free!

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T dallas, tx — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:28:41 GMT

See the chart on www.MormonInfo.org

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Rob, Iowa — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:29:50 GMT

TW, NY, True dat. I guess myself being a conservative I view the press as being lubby-dubby over the left. Which, for the most part is true. I'm sure the vast majority of those in the major news networks are registered Democrat. And as a conservative, I welcome that challenge. But then I do find it amusing that many on the Left then complain about the "corporate media". So in a way, we come full circle. I think we both agree on the same thing, but it's the means that we disagree on.

I was at our lcoal Republican Party Christmas dinner, and one of the speakers noted that the arguments on the otherside have merit. Yes, there are some things we can agree on. The threats to Liberty is a real issues. And regarding the environment, I prefer a "market approach". Give comapnies "incentives" to comply, not punish them if they don't. It's human nature.

I am taking up the challenge from Newt Gingrich and reaching out to my left-of-center neighboors and friends. We will accomplish nothing in this country by shouting from across the street. We need to recognize our differences and work together to solve problems.

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DRT, UT — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:33:12 GMT

Perla,

Huckabee was not critizing the LDS religion. He was asking a question, why are you taking it so personal? His question about Jesus being Satan's brother is the truth. Live with it!

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Chris — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:35:16 GMT

In defense of Huckabee:

In a statement released late Tuesday night, Huckabee's campaign said the candidate was taken out of context in the New York Times article and was not bashing the religion but instead was "illustrating his unwillingness to answer questions about Mormonism and to avoid addressing theological questions during this campaign."

Also:

"Gov. Huckabee has said consistently that he believes this campaign should center on a discussion of the important issues confronting our nation, and not focus on questions of religious belief,"

-Quoted from CNN article

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Kathryn in Bham — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:42:12 GMT

Rob, Iowa...
You rock! We should all realize that drawing lines in the sand gets nothing done! We are one nation under God, whether or not you choose to recognize or worship God is your choice... nobody is saying that anyone has to worship any God a particular way, but knowing a candidate's faith is important. And knowing that as Americans we have the right to worship and proclaim our God is very important.

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Scamp — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:44:36 GMT

Don't forget that Matthew Murray was home-schooled, too.

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Richard, Michigan — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:44:43 GMT

Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
(official web site)

----------------

ENSIGN
1986

I Have a Question

How can Jesus and Lucifer be spirit brothers when their characters and purposes are so utterly opposed?

Jess L. Christensen, Institute of Religion director at Utah State University, Logan, Utah: On first hearing, the doctrine that Lucifer and our Lord, Jesus Christ, are brothers may seem surprising to some -- especially to those unacquainted with latter-day revelations. But both the scriptures and the prophets affirm that Jesus Christ and Lucifer are indeed offspring of our Heavenly Father and, therefore, spirit brothers. Jesus Christ was with the Father from the beginning. Lucifer, too, was an angel “who was in authority in the presence of God,” a “son of the morning.” (See Isa. 14:12; D&C 76:25–27.) Both Jesus and Lucifer were strong leaders with great knowledge and influence. But as the Firstborn of the Father, Jesus was Lucifer’s older brother. (See Col. 1:15; D&C 93:21.)

Link:

http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=4a10ef960417b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1

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Rick, Ws, NC — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:51:56 GMT

Love the splits in the reprehensible party...flipper if the darling of wall street, huck is the darling of the religious radicals, rudy is the darling of the multiple sex partners crowd, mccain is the darling of the bomb bomb iran with someone else's kid crowd, freddie is the darling of the nap crowd...all in all a dismal bunch

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Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:55:40 GMT

The story about Huckabee said that he and his wife accepted more than $100,000 in gifts in one year. It also said they used bridal registries at two stores to indicate to people what kind of gifts they would like to receive when they moved into a new mansion. That is just sleezy!!! I'm sorry, but Huckabee is no more than a smooth talking car salesman who the Christians will follow blindly. It seems like Huckabee truly takes to heart the phrase "charity begins at home".

YUCK HUCK!!!

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vj; Austin, Texas — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:00:14 GMT

FYI for Mr. L Clinton, Chicago - President Gerald Ford was not a Senator. He served in the House.

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DRT, UT — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:00:44 GMT

Oh, Richard, Richard...of Michican

Mormons are the only ones who believe in and wrote the D&C you are referencing. Christians believe only in the Bible. I'm afraid you don't understand that what the Mormons book D&C teach is contradictory to what the Bible has to say about Jesus and Satan. Look it up!

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Desperate, Overland Park KS — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:02:57 GMT

Kathryn in Bham (wherever Bham is)

I think the important thing to note is just as George W. believed God was on his side going in to war with Iraq, so too could Huckabee be confused into war by the little voice he pretends to hear in his head.

Read it and weep, Huck thinks God is responsible for his surge in the polls.

No one really believes this right? Have we finally been able to marginalize the religiously ignorant right?

You cannot believe that God wants you to be elected over everyone else. Does anyone else see this for what it truly is, egotistical madness?

As for your right to proclaim your God, show it to me in the constitution. You have the right to practice whatever nonsense you want (freedom of religion). You could combine that with your freedom of speech, but simply because you have the right to proclaim your God (THAT TALKS TO YOU WHICH IS TECHNICALLY THE DEFINITION OF CRAZY IF YOU REALLY HEAR HIM), that does not mean that the rest of the grown-ups who aren't compelled by your sheepish group think have to take you seriously. Religious fundamentalists such as yourself are nutbags.

Keep your mouth shut for a while and let the adults with their crazy ideas about reality try to govern America out of the mess you have created for us all.

For the record your fundamentalist Christian values are not American values. The American values were put forth by our forefathers who were deists and did not believe in a personal God.

Awwwww, sorry, you are an evolutionary aberration, and have nothing to do with American values.

Have a nice day.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:03:11 GMT

Raised taxes?
Loves Illegals?
freed a man to kill again?
Has a thing about AIDS?

What makes you think he is a target?

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Objective in GV, Grass Valley, CA — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:07:58 GMT

As a member of the Great Right Wing Smear Machine, Sane in UT, continues to look through a Conspiracy Paradigm at the world. The "Left Leaning Media" would murder their own mothers for a scoop and a pay raise. And of course, all the "Left Leaning Media" is owned by Billionaire Republicans except for Ted Turner. Grow up.

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Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:14:12 GMT

I'm glad they are labeling Clinton as the under dog. If she LOOKS like she's struggling then maybe they'll stock attacking her long enough to take down each other. She's still WAY ahead in the national polls. I back Hillary but hey, if Barack won the nomination I wouldn't be too upset about it. I think he, Clinton, Edwards or Biden would be a 100% improvement over the current administration and a better choice for American than ANY of the Republican candidates. They are so pigeon holed.

Romeny- Big Business President
McCain- War President
Huckabee-Religious President (we've had enough of this hypocracy)
Guiliani- Status Quo!!!

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Kathryn in Bham — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:15:03 GMT

First of all, A, my friends and I all used registries for house warming parties as we have bought our first homes or upgrades, etc... so that is not sleezy. It is actually very common! And I do not follow Huckabee blindly. I have been very open minded to both the red and blue sides of this upcoming race. I would love to have a woman as president - even grew up claiming to someday be the first woman president myself. I also think that Barack has many excellent attributes and would bring a much needed different perspective to the White House. However, when it comes down to the issues and what each candidate wants to do with the next 4 or 8 years as president, Huckabee has a good plan and is motivated by the desire for a positive change. He does not come from a place of divisiveness or condemnation. I do not think that all of the things that Hilary or Barack want to do can be done, not all at the same time in the next 8 years. I think we need someone who recognizes where we are and where we need to be.

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Matt Tyler, Bentonville, Arkansas — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:17:31 GMT

It's funny that the article hasn't even come out yet, yet people are critisizing it. I'm willing to bet that Huckabee didn't critisize the LDS at all. Also, if you really want to see whose religion is being critisized look at HUCKABEE! He has been taken critisism for his believes for months now! Even some people on this board are critisizing his beliefs while they are critisizing him for supposedly critisizing others beliefs. You guys are ridiculous. Don't believe everything you read.

By the way, I to am from Arkansas and thought Mike Huckabee did an excellent job. He left us with a 800 million dollar surplus, he made our education better, and helped to lower crime, divorce rates, and obesity.

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CK — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:17:36 GMT

GO HUCK!!!! If not, Go Romney!! If all else fails, PLEASE NOT Hillary!

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Polt, Pennsylvania — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:20:27 GMT

Leonard Clinton: just a slight clarification. President Ford was in the House not the Senate, and he wasn't elected to the job anyway, he was appointed by Nixon. Your overall point is correct, that we've not elected an active senator for president since Kennedy in 1960. However, to say that we WON'T elect one I think is a misstatement. What office, if any, currently held by the candidates I dont think factors into peoples decisions about who they vote for.

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Desperate, Overland Park KS — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:20:44 GMT

To Rick...
I thought I was the only one enjoying it. It's like watching the end of a bad play where all of the characters slide into their one-dimensional, final role. They all sit on the stage, at times, flabbergasted to be in each others prescence.

They're all poorly drawn charicatures of what the greedy wall street type think that the Red neck Relgious nuts would want them to look like.

And now for a redneck coloquialism: None of these old dogs will hunt anymore.

Dems have the presidency for at least 8 years and I'm 90% sure that they'll have it for 16 so long as they run the right ticket in this election. Can you imagine how much better and different the country will be after 16 years of democrats in power?

I can't wait. Obstructionists, cry yourself to sleep. We are going to become the best country in the world again.

-Health care not just for the poor, but for every citizen because we are ALL CREATED EQUAL.
-Energy independence, caps on carbon emissions, and the development of an all electric car.
-Social Security--saved
-Jobs brought back to America
-Wars--fought when we are attacked by a nation

There's so much to do. At least the choice is easy since one of the parties has shown blatantly that they are unable to do the nations work.

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Rob, Iowa — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:23:18 GMT

Kathryn in Bham, what I fear is that we are approaching a point where a President must pass a religious litmus test to become President. I felt that Rommney was forced to "defend" his religion. As I've read, Kennedy's speech in 1960 was in response to direct allegations that we would be an arm of the Vatican. Romneys speech however, appeared to be that he was defending his faith. I'm a Catholic, it would be like my defending why we pray to the Mother Mary.

We are a secular country, however, with spiritual roots. The Founders understood that. That is why we have the 1st Amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

What this means is "hands off". The people shall be allowed to do whatever they want, whenever they want, regarding faith and religion.

I'm a christian first and a conservative second, hence a conservative Christian. With conservative being the adjective describing the noun, Christian. But I would vote for Marylyn Manson if he/she would defend the 1st Amendment and defend my right to pray wherever, and whenever I choose.

IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE KEEP CHURCHES, ONE OF THE GREATEST PRIVATE INSTIUTIONS IN THIS COUNTRY FAR FROM THE "HANDCUFFS" OF GOVERNMENT. BECAUSE IF OUR GOVERNMENT STARTS TO "HANDOUT" MONEY TO CHURCHES, WHAT FOLLOW ARE "HANDCUFFS".

Inititally, I favored Bush's "Faith Based Initiative" because it "seemed" like a good idea. But with the reading I've done, I now disagree.

"WITH HANDOUTS, FOLLOW HANDCUFFS"

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Kathryn in Bham — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:23:49 GMT

Desperate -
You are just that! You want to know what the heartland of America thinks... the majority of this country backed Bush when going in to war based on the same intelligence he had in making his decision. Not all of his decisions have been right (fair to say about ANYONE!), but we are now in this war and have to deal with the fact that the majority of the country backed it from the beginning.

Furthermore, you would like to address the forefathers of our country. This country was based on the right to worship freely - the reason our founders left Europe in the first place! This is a dose of what we were founded on:
John Adams and John Hancock:
We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]

John Adams:
“ The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”
• “[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”
–John Adams in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress

“It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]

“The Bible is worth all other books which have ever been printed.”

http://www.eadshome.com/QuotesoftheFounders.htm

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Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:26:22 GMT

Rob (sour republican)
Media lesson one:

Good publicity about any candidate follows bad publicity over any candidate. It's like Survivor. You don't want to be the guy or gall who is too vocal (i.e. too covered by the media) or your gonna get voted off (taken down by the media). The only story better than a happy story is a happy story turned to horror.

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KLM — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:30:26 GMT

Scripture says JOHN 3:13 - for God So loved the world that He sent His ONLY Begotten Son (not His first born, not His other son, His ONLY begotten.)
And political people all skeletons, they all have strange bed-fellows...if you think your candiate has no "SLEEZY" background, then you're not very up-to-date on the political process. It's all about "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours". Not saying it's good - but it's sadly the way it is. So, if you as a voter think you want to point fingers at another candidate, you're crazy if you think the candidate of your choice is without fault/blame/questionable decisions/etc. We can all find a questionable story to pull out about one of the candidates. You're completely in the dark if you think your candidate is fault-free and has no questionable issues/decisions "in their closet".

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Curious in Texas — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:31:09 GMT

Steve in Boise

"Heck any mormon child can tell you this. I know because I was raised mormon, 4 years of seminary, 2 year mission, married in their temple, and finally discovered the truth and left."

Please enlighten us. Apparently you discovered that you weren't a morman and that you discovered the truth. What, exactly, is the truth so we can all stop searching and beating each other up?

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Matt Bentonville Arkansas — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:39:53 GMT

Amen Kathryn!

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Desperate, Overland Park KS — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:40:17 GMT

Every time I mention the forefathers' relgion a Christian nutbag will pull John Adams out of their you know what. LOOK IT UP, THE GOD THAT JOHN ADAMS TALKS ABOUT IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE GOD YOU BELIEVE IN.

I WORK SO I DON'T HAVE ALL DAY TO SPEND EXPLAINING HOW TRULY IGNORANT YOU ARE.

AGAIN JUST LOOK IT UP.

As for the beliefs of the forefathers they were deists who did not believe in a God who exists beyond the creation of the universe. After creation they believe that God no longer mettles in the affairs of others like you crazy evangelical religious zealots do.

As for deism in our country and the fact that you and your religion are so ridiculously not involved with American values, try looking at Mount Rushmore. You'll find that three of the four men on it are deists: Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and Abraham Lincoln. (I'm not sure about Roosevelt)

So I've got Jefferson, Washington, and Lincoln and you have the guy who has a big signature.

As for your menial explanations about the war, all I have to say is turn off Fox News. Your justifications and rationalizations for a war waged on false premises and further waged atrociously are no longer considered valid opinions to anyone who is not addicted to either right wing talk radio or Fox News.

The majority of the country is against this war, and was misled into it by GW and Dick (the intelligence fixers). We were told WMD, mushroom cloud, they're going to attack. You know what the international war laws consider an act of agression against a country based on no existing threat to the agressor, a war crime.

Again Look it up. Look it up, I don't have all day, and you cannot be this ignorant. You need to join the rest of Americans who are ready to return to our country's true liberal values put forth by the forefathers.

Whatever, if you educate yourself, no big deal. We are no longer whipped up into a patriotic frenzy. There are enough sane Americans to vote out the Republican ill which plagues this country.

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John Lawrence — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:43:02 GMT

If any of you had the good sense to investigate Huckabee's record for yourselves, you would find he has a lot to offer, and in fact, is a candidate with very balanced and mainstream views, and a record to prove it. He has nothing to apologize to your peanut galley commentators about. Romney is a huge phony with sanctuary cities all over Massachusetts that he did nothing about, and with a religion that is a cult that he tries to defend as mainstream, and with the flippest of the flopper position on abortion and other issues that make him simply an opportunist par excellence, devoid of any convictions at all. Give me Governor Mike Huckabee any time! And as for the Democrats, the three of them qualify as a bunch of left wing clowns who have so far fooled a lot of people, but I expect that won't last too much longer when people really sober up and figure out what they are actually proposing on a whole range of issues too numerous to elaborate here. But summarized, they are serving up European socialism on a silver matter, that has long since been recognized by the voters over there as a failed platform that has taken them on a roller coaster ride to disaster. I lived in France over a period of 15 years and experienced it firsthand. I would be surprised if intelligent American voters (the large majority) are naive enough to buy their simplistic and costly solutions to complex problems.

JOHN C. LAWRENCE

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Desperate, Overland Park KS — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:43:03 GMT

P.S. I live in the heartland of America, and we don't subscribe to your confederate nonsense. Don't throw the midwest in with the uneducated insanity that is the South.

Oh and before you say that I'm being rude or mean. Again just look it up. Look up how the South has the worst educational scores in the country.

It's not mean if I'm just stating the facts. The truth hurts.

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Ian, Ann Arbor — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:43:34 GMT

Increasingly, Mike Huckabee is what Leadership looks like ( http://snipr.com/leaderlook ). He's very smart in choosing his battles, carefully. Rudy poses no threat to him in Iowa.

Make no mistake, Huckabee and Giuliani are miles apart in many areas. But Huck's FairTax ( http://snipr.com/fthuckabeeonirs ) is perhaps the pivotal issue. Fact is, Mr. Huckabee has shown himself to be astute as to the ramifications of what FairTax means, not only to middle America, but to the United States' trade and manufacturing position, globally ( http://snipr.com/tradeinequity ).

Further, because the income tax system affords politicians political cover to hide taxes in prices - by increasing costs to business, passed through to consumers, taxpayers will never be aware of the actual tax load they're carrying. This, Laurence Kotlikoff contends ( http://snipr.com/meltdowninprogress ), does not support adequate taxpayer pressure on congressional spending, but rather distracts taxpayers against each other (poor against rich), and individual against corporation.

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John Lawrence — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:48:19 GMT

John Jay, the First Justice of United States Supreme Court said, "Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers." He wrote that not long after the Constitution was written and approved, and apparently saw no conflict with it in his point of view. Governor Mike Huckabee would make a fine presidential nominee according to any historical standard, certainly from the point of view of the Founding Fathers, most of whom were quite committed Christians. It's only recently that history has been revised and distorted to make such a point of view so shocking to modern voters. Thanks to a perverted, left wing media operation!

John Lawrence

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John Lawrence — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:48:46 GMT

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Robert E Eldridge, Macclenny, Florida — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:49:41 GMT

Mitt Romney is THE ONE because of all the candidates on both sides he is the smartest and most learned among them. He alone is the most capable of leading this nation back to sanity and solvency. He has proved his capacities over and over. Duh!

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Kathryn in Bham — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:01:46 GMT

Desperate -
I, too, am working for a living. 8-5 as a writer...
And I am not addicted to Fox News, although I am glad there is SOMEBODY who will stand up against the liberal media! Obviously, as this thread is on MSN, I like to take a good look at a variety of media sources to draw my conclusions. As a member of the media, and a well-educated one at that, I know that everyone has their own perspective - whether a story has been 'spun' or not - and it is vital to know the facts as seen from all sides of the arena.

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Matt Tyler, Bentonville, Arkansas — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:05:20 GMT

Uh.... Thomas Jefferson, George Washing and Abraham Lincoln were deeply rooted in the Christian faith. I dont know where you are getting these view but I can say with certanity that they are based on historical records, what they said, and their writings. Also I dont know if you have been to DC or not but there are verses, God, and Christian symbols all over the monuments. Get your facts straight....I can give sources if you want but I hope that maybe you will look it up yourself and see the truth.

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Desperate, Overland Park KS — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:07:21 GMT

To John Lawrence
KEEP LIVING YOUR SHELTERED EXISTENCE.
Though you may want to believe this:
"certainly from the point of view of the Founding Fathers, most of whom were quite committed Christians"

There is no evidence for this:
"certainly from the point of view of the Founding Fathers, most of whom were quite committed Christians"

Let me help you out. When an animal evolves and gains the ability to reason, in order to use that reason they have to interpret and analyze evidence found in reality.
Though you may be a loon and Rush Limbaugh may tell you that it's all going to okay and everything is truly as it seems to be in your head, the rest of us discuss FACTS or things that happened in HISTORY.

These concepts may seem odd to you. Yes, they may seem very, very odd and strange to you because they don't conform to how you wished the world would be, but actually display how the world was and is. But alas, I am sorry, if you cannot read well enough to understand that the founding fathers were deists, then I am sorry. I will send you a Christmas tiding in the way of hooked on phonics for children.

Best of luck to you, and may I suggest reading.

Doing so will help you from buying into right wing conspiracies about the evil left wing media. Boogy, boogidy, boo. Grow up, the left wing media is not underneath your bed. It's not the medias fault that reality has a left wing bias because most left wing ideas are based in science.

Have a nice day, and again I've got 3 out of 4 on Mount Rushmore and you've got zero evidence to refute that. Good job, you should be proud of your argument.

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Patrick, Huntington Station, NY — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:07:50 GMT

Huck's the target if he's hunting with Dick Cheney!

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JP, suburban Atlanta, GA — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:15:27 GMT

I'm with Travis - vote blue.

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James Elder, Honolulu, Hawaii — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:15:49 GMT

Romney is being backed by the bank crowd. Rudy has too many skeletons and Huck is a disaster waiting to happen. Romney has all of the qualifications so what's the problem? Seriously? He is the only candidate that I would be proud to show off to the world. If romney does not win, I am voting for the democrats. He is the only candidate I trust. An important bank CEO in Hawaii met him and said he is an amazing guy. He is extremely intelligent with great morals and is not corrupted by what he has attained in life. His so called flip flops are actually him being able to see other people's opinions, especially when the majority wants it. That is called democracy. If the majority want something, he will follow the voice of the people. That is a good thing. It means he can be trusted. Huck is a joke and only uneducated zealots would vote for him to their own peril. Only Romney could win against a democrat!!!

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Marcello Mancini, Puyallup, WA — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:15:55 GMT

I have a hard time understanding how anyone can support a candidate that believes the Holocaust did not exist. All you Ron Paul supporters should be ashamed of yourselves. His message on taxes and minimal government intervention may resonate with many of us but only a misguided individual can actually beleive there was no Holocaust.

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Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:16:16 GMT

I think just as God would be too smart to run for politics, religious leaders should be smarter and learn to butt out of politics. It has done nothing to increase followers across this nation. If anything, it has turned more people against organized religion.

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Desperate, Overland Park KS — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:21:25 GMT

Kathryn in Bham.
Hmm...was that an apology? Do you realize you've been outwitted? Fine then, I accept.

But I will end with this,
You certainly don't appear to be as educated as you claim to be. I hope that this education you speak of is not from a school of journalism, for if it is I would go to them and demand my money back.

Any school of journalism would tell you that there are no sides in objective facts as you maintain. Unless you attended the school of fox news opinion journalism, which would have you believe that everything is debateable. Well some things aren't. Any school will tell you that there are some things particularly concerning history and reality that we can say are objective facts.

I think that you ARE addicted to fox news. Denial is the first step though, you can get through it. The line that you give about your opinion that they balance out the new media is taken directly from Fox. You are a robot. You say only the things that Fox tells you to say and best of all you are brainwashed so you don't even recognize it when you are doing it.

We don't need the different sides to the news. As I mentioned previously there are not different sides to observable facts, different sides represent people's opinions about the news. And as a writer (maybe you aren't a journalist so you wouldn't know) you should know that opinion has no place in the news, outside of the editorial section.

Lastly, Fox has made infotainment common, but it is not reality. It does not balance anything. It injects radical conservative opinion about reality because reality tends to tilt to the left since it is based in science. Thusly, Fox was created to take out the liberal bias, but the liberal bias you speak of is not some crazy conspiracy orchestrated by Ted Turner. The liberal bias is a misnomer for the fact that reality tends to be more left leaning because the left tends to base it's claims more off of reality(science) and less off of the machinations found in one's head such as religious beliefs.

I hope I was able to educate you. Please change for the better and stop being a blight on your community, your country, and this message board.

Have a nice day.

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Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:22:14 GMT

Kathryn in Bham.......just because you did it doesn't mean it's NOT SLEEZY! If you are republican it's kind of hypocritical to have your "hand out" expecting other people to complete your castle!!!

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Desperate, Overland Park KS — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:24:41 GMT

Matt Tyler
My facts are straight. Open a history book genius.
And enough with the Fox news line, "just look around Washington."
Grow up, just look around Washington is not an argument. Please learn to read, then pick up a history book, and understand that our founding fathers were deists, which (and I'll help your analysis out here) has zero to do with the Christian faith. They didn't believe Christ was God. Go sit on that.

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Kathryn in Bham — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:28:15 GMT

Desperate -
If you do not believe in Christ why would you send out a Christmas greeting?

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Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:34:02 GMT

Kathryn,

Just for the record. MOST (that means the majority,not the people you talk to) were against going into war without are allies. Do you remember the rallies and protests? I do! My husband will be deployed to Iraq in 3 months. Leaving a 3 year old and a 7 month old. He is willing to make this sacrifice for OUR COUNTRY. Not for the whims and ideologies of any President......be it greed or religion that drive him. We need to worry about the betterment of OUR COUNTRY and OUR PEOPLE before we try to convert the world to our way of thinking.

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Cher Noble, Chappaqua, NY — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:34:17 GMT

Vladimir??...Oh, Vladimir!!?? If you are now out of a job in Moscova, there is an opening here on this side of the pond where you perversions, psychoses, and criminality would be just the distillation essence of all the clowns in both our major political parties. Oh, ras-Putin, you stinkin' little narrow-eyed creep, where are you when you are really needed?

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Desperate, Overland Park KS — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:45:57 GMT

To Kathryn in Bahm

Care to discuss the facts, Kathryn? Have I at least taught you the difference between fact and opinion now?

By the way, atheists celebrate the winter holiday as well. And I think Jesus was one of the greatest philosophers ever, or at least his borrowed buddhist teachings have been inspirational in my life. I see little reason to deify him, because I have grown old enough to no longer believe in the gumdrop lane and candycane gates of heaven.

This is a much larger can of worms, but just because I feel like rearranging your head, two questions:

1. Would you be a Chrisitian if you'd grown up in a non-Christian culture?
2. Would you believe in any religion if they did not lie to you by promising you an everlasting life where you can see your friends and family?

Religions in this way make sense, in that, they aleviate the weak minded's fear of death, by promising them something that doesn't exist.

Lastly, if there is no heaven, if this is the only chance we have (which it is and you realize that deep down), wouldn't you feel more propelled to right the wrongs in the world and make this planet the world that it should be. Hint: Religion is your enslavement, other than it you're probably a really nice person.

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Kathryn in Bham — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:49:25 GMT

First to Desperate-
No, that was not an apology. And yes, the objective in journalism is to be just that - objective, reporting only the facts. However, have you ever read an "objective" report from different sources. Often there are small discrepencies, whether from misguided information, incomplete information, or otherwise different interpretations. What I call "pink" my daughter calls "hot pink"... which are quite different. Doesn't mean anyone brought their opinion into the matter, it just means the objective facts were reported differently.

And to A-
Both your husband and yourself are my heroes first and foremost. I thank you both, and your family, for the sacrifices you make to ensure my freedom and those of my children. And yes, I do remember protests etc... But if you will remember, based on polling and politics, the President made the decisions he did with a high degree of backing from both the general public and his fellow politicians. I am not saying his decisions have been correct. I am saying that we were attacked and as a nation recognized the need to take action. That has left us with a series of further decisions, many of which have guided our country into a place we do not want to be. That means we now must find a way to move forward, not backtracking, to overcome the divisions between us and our enemies, and the divisions within our own country.

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Joseph, Grand Rapids, MI — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:51:18 GMT

Mitt Romney himself said in the last debate that he was not perfect. Why are we still discussing religion here? When are we going to talk about the important issues? Romney has my vote! Go Mitt!

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Tina - Brooklyn, NY — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:54:28 GMT

I do not understand how it has come to the point that we are debating religious doctrine in presidential debates. Does it really matter what religion you believe in or if you belive in one at all. What matters is your values and actions. If people need religion to help guide them fine and if others do not that is fine too. Enough with this religious debate of "my religion is the right one!" It goes against the main doctrines of relgion: tolerance and compassionate all-inclusiveness. Really, the audacity of people judging others in the name of their religion is unconscionable. Let's hope that people look at the issues and character of candidates in this election.

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Rob, Iowa — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:04:36 GMT

A, sounds cynical. I'm sorry.

Nope. You don't know me at all. Not sour. But that is the perception we have. That is how we are portrayed. Actually, we are some of the most optimistic people around. We believe in the greatness of the individual American to succeed. We seek to remove those barriers keeping people down. Umm, our mantra is "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach him to fish and he eats for a lifetime". That sums up one of our core conservative principles.

"I'm glad I'm a Republican".

Our supposed "sourness" no doubt comes from knowing the deepth and breadth of the battle we face.

I guess wbhen you are hunched down in the fox hole surrounded by enemy, you will be dour; yet also have an intestinal fortitde to see the battle through to the end and get your men out.

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Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:08:31 GMT

Steve from Idaho -

Your info about spirits being born white or black based on who followed Jesus and who didn't is totally false and wrong. Mormons don't believe that. Mormons also don't believe that God had any physical relationship with Mary. The church has never said anything about that - what a lie!

Anyone who wants to know what Mormons believe can find out from the church's official website:

www.lds.org

All their beliefs are stated there. If you wanted to find out what the Catholics believe, you wouldn't ask a Methodist - you'd ask a Catholic!

Get your info from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (the Mormon church) itself rather than from people who don't know, don't understand or don't respect their beliefs.

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Kathryn in Bham — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:12:31 GMT

Yes Desperate, I am a Christian and would be no matter where I grew up. FYI - I was raised in Atlanta where I was friends with people from many diverse cultural and political backgrounds. I am a Christian not because I have a weakness that needs to be filled, but because I am strong, I am fulfilled and blessed. When I wake up every morning and see the faces of the three most precious gifts I have ever received, I know that it is not by my strength, wisdom, courage or power that I have been blessed, but by that of my God. Thank you for the question, Desperate, as you have afforded me the opportunity to share my joy with you. I do not say any of this self righteously, but knowing that I am no different than anyone else, except that I choose to be covered by His grace and to live out of that abundance!
...That my friend, doesn't enslave me, but rather sets me free!

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Tim Needham, St. Louis, MO — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:12:48 GMT

It blows me away that so many ofthe people on this blog seem to be saying that Huckabee has went after Mitt and his Mormon faith. The only time he speaks of Mormonism and Romney are when he is asked point blank questions which require answers. I have read this interview which is in question, and it was taken out of context. So far, Huckabee has been the most consistent candidate who has not flip-flopped on the issues that are most important to Republicans. And why would anyone assume that the Left media is aiding Huckabee along? Huckabee has desperately struggled to get any airtime on the web, tv, newspaper, etc., because for the longest time people have not considered him a contender. At least not until recently.

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Steve, Boise — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:13:44 GMT

Curious in Texas,

The truth is that its all a sham. Every single organized religion is a sad joke fostered onto humanity. I think Jesus would be very sad to see christianity of today. He taught love, he taught humility, he taught compassion. I see very little of those things coming from any religion, but especially any religion of the book.

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Desperate, Overland Park KS — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:14:00 GMT

Kathryn you must be kidding yourself, you write...

"Often there are small discrepencies, whether from misguided information, incomplete information, or otherwise different interpretations. What I call "pink" my daughter calls "hot pink"... which are quite different. Doesn't mean anyone brought their opinion into the matter, it just means the objective facts were reported differently.'

You think the difference between fact and Fox News is the difference between pink and hot pink. YOU NEED TO WAKE UP. please.
If you don't realize that Fox traffics in opinion and Fox news then there is no helping you, and I am really shocked because you said that you were a writer (and also not addicted to fox news) so I figured your journalistic integrity would at least hold you to reason concerning some of the most fundamental and base concepts in journalism.

You must write fiction or childrens books, right? Have you really no idea of basic journalistic concepts as a writer? Or do you write for fox news?

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Steve. Boise, ID — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:17:09 GMT

M, I most certainly was taught that growing up, if you search through your Sunday School manuals you will see its still taught (since 1978 they downplay the black angle). The mormon church is a racist organization because they have racism built into their scriptures (POGP).

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Paul, Sea, WA — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:18:17 GMT

SATAN is not Lucifer! Satan never was an angel.
"Lucifer" described in the bible was a King of Babylon.
SATAN: Gen 3:1,Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made....WOW God made Satan (serpent) ,5th day most like all the other land beast.
I'm Just reading the bible and not taking anything out of context.
BTW a novel called Dante's inferno (1300's) first claimed the babylonian king "Lucifer" was Satan a Fallen Angel.
Sorry Christians that is the fact, I think Jesus claims he is the bright and morning star not Satan.

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Mike — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:20:52 GMT

www.lds.org and www.Mormon.org are both official websites of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons). They can set you straight on any questions you have about Mormon doctrine so that we can get back to POLITICAL issues!!!

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Steve. Boise, ID — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:32:23 GMT

Mike, would you go to scientology's website to get the "truth" about scientology? Why would you expect the LDS website to be truthful about all things Mormon, especially since they have a history of "lying for the lord". Or as one of your GAs says, "somethings truthful aren't useful" (paraphrased from Boyd K. Packer) or your profit (misspelling on purpose) that "I don't know we have have taught that" when talking about your plan of salvation (as god once was, we are now, as god is now, we may become) or him stating that polygamy was never doctrine (all lies).

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Kathryn in Bham — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:39:54 GMT

Desperate-
I was never making an argument for or against Fox News...yes I tune in, but no, I am not a fanatic. I merely said that I get a well-rounded view of the facts regarding the political race by tuning in to a variety of different media sources. The initial question was in regards to the lack of education you profess to find in those of us who have a more conservative view, which in turn you brought in those of us who have a christian view. That has nothing to do with Fox News, which you brought up, my friend.

Back to politics...We are all searching for someone to bring about a positive political change. We are searching for someone who has a vision for the future without being caught up in the blame game for the past. We are all wanting to bring home our troops safely (again, thank you A), we all want to see our country a safer place to raise our families and we all want to keep America a place where people and ideals are free to intermingle. I think we all want a country where we can all be covered by exceptional medical care, regardless of our social dilema, but where we are not all forced to have a 'one size fits all' coverage. We all want to see our economy pull out of the real estate crumble without causing more damage. We all want to rely less on foreign oil and want to encourage the well-being of Earth and her inhabitants. That is what makes this country great. Lets strive for this together and realize that we need to back the candidate who can make this happen. I truly believe Huckabee is just that. I think he realizes where we are and where we want to go and knows that you cannot move forward without respecting where we are and where we have been and the people who will take us there.

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Steve. Boise, ID — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:57:08 GMT

Here is some documentation for those mormons claiming that their church doesn't teach the Jesus and Satan are brothers.

"How can Jesus and Lucifer be spirit brothers when their characters and purposes are so utterly opposed?

Jess L. Christensen, “I Have a Question,” Ensign, June 1986, 25–26

Jess L. Christensen, Institute of Religion director at Utah State University, Logan, Utah. On first hearing, the doctrine that Lucifer and our Lord, Jesus Christ, are brothers may seem surprising to some—especially to those unacquainted with latter-day revelations. But both the scriptures and the prophets affirm that Jesus Christ and Lucifer are indeed offspring of our Heavenly Father and, therefore, spirit brothers. Jesus Christ was with the Father from the beginning. Lucifer, too, was an angel “who was in authority in the presence of God,” a “son of the morning.” (See Isa. 14:12; D&C 76:25–27.) Both Jesus and Lucifer were strong leaders with great knowledge and influence. But as the Firstborn of the Father, Jesus was Lucifer’s older brother. (See Col. 1:15; D&C 93:21.)

How could two such great spirits become so totally opposite? The answer lies in the principle of agency, which has existed from all eternity. (See D&C 93:30–31.) Of Lucifer, the scripture says that because of rebellion “he became Satan, yea, even the devil, the father of all lies.” (Moses 4:4.) Note that he was not created evil, but became Satan by his own choice.

When our Father in Heaven presented his plan of salvation, Jesus sustained the plan and his part in it, giving the glory to God, to whom it properly belonged. Lucifer, on the other hand, sought power, honor, and glory only for himself. (See Isa. 14:13–14; Moses 4:1–2.) When his modification of the Father’s plan was rejected, he rebelled against God and was subsequently cast out of heaven with those who had sided with him. (See Rev. 12:7–9; D&C 29:36–37.)

That brothers would make dramatically different choices is not unusual. It has happened time and again, as the scriptures attest: Cain chose to serve Satan; Abel chose to serve God. (See Moses 5:16–18.) Esau “despised his birthright”; Jacob wanted to honor it. (Gen. 25:29–34.) Joseph’s brothers sought to kill him; he sought to preserve them. (Gen. 37:12–24; Gen. 45:3–11.)

It is ironic that the agency with which Lucifer rebelled is the very gift he tried to take from man. His proposal was that all be forced back into God’s presence. (See Moses 4:1, 3.) But the principle of agency is fundamental to the existence and progression of intelligent beings: as we make wise choices, we grow in light and truth. On the other hand, wrong choices—such as the one Satan made—stop progress and can even deny us blessings that we already have. (See D&C 93:30–36.)

In order for us to progress, therefore, we must have the opportunity to choose good or evil. Interestingly, Satan and his angels—those who opposed agency—have become that opposition. As the prophet Lehi taught, “Men are free according to the flesh; and all things are given them which are expedient unto man. And they are free to choose liberty and eternal life, through the great Mediator of all men, or to choose captivity and death, according to the captivity and power of the devil; for he seeketh that all men might be miserable like unto himself.” (2 Ne. 2:27.)

Although the Father has allowed Satan and his angels to tempt mankind, he has given each of us the ability to rise above temptation. (See 1 Cor. 10:13.) He has also given us the great gift of the Atonement.

When the Lord placed enmity between Eve’s children and the devil, Satan was told that he would bruise the heel of Eve’s seed, but her seed would bruise his head. (See Moses 4:21.) President Joseph Fielding Smith explained that “the ‘God of peace,’ who according to the scriptures is to bruise Satan, is Jesus Christ.” (Answers to Gospel Questions, Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1957, 1:3.) Satan would bruise the Savior’s heel by leading men to crucify Him. But through his death and resurrection, Christ overcame death for all of us; and through his atonement, he offers each of us a way to escape the eternal ramifications of sin. Thus, Satan’s machinations have been frustrated and eventually he will be judged, bound, and cast into hell forever. (See Rev. 20:1–10; D&C 29:26–29.)

In Hebrew, the word bruise means “to crush or grind.” Therefore, the very heel that was bruised will crush Satan and will help us overcome the world and return to our Father. As we use our agency to choose good over evil, the atonement of Christ prepares the way for us to return to our Father in Heaven.

We can only imagine the sorrow of our Heavenly Father as he watched a loved son incite and lead a rebellion and lose his opportunity for exaltation. But we can also imagine the Father’s love and rejoicing as he welcomed back the beloved son who had valiantly and perfectly fought the battles of life and brought about the great Atonement through his suffering and death."

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Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:45:19 GMT

I agree in a hand up and not a hand out. I was an apathetic independent post college professional when GW Bush was elected and not long after made me ask "what the hell is this supposed compassionate conservative doing to our contry". He has divided the country into rich and poor, red and blue, christian and sinners, patriotic or un-American and for him or against him. I agree with the limited government principal that the republicans stand for at face value but when my dad was injured to the point where he could no longer work after 30 years I was happy we had the safety net of social security, when my mother in-law had breast cancer last year I was happy we have FMLA so that she would take time off of work without losing her job to get Kemo and radiation treatments (which puts their retirement at risk because of the extreme cost of healthcare in this country). When I had my two daughters I was also very grateful that I was able to use FMLA to spend a few months with them without fear of losing my job. In a capitalist world, where the rich have many home field advantages I still think that ANY AMERICAN can do anything if they set their mind to it and can have their own American Dream, whatever that dream may be. My husband and I both come from poor to middle class families, paid for our own college educations through loans and the military and are living the American Dream. With the current administration I don't see that American Dream being as available for my children because American Companies in their persuit for another penny to shareholders will sell out the best jobs in this country. But you are right that anyone not on the Republican side has been pretty depressed (and the republicans have been optimistic) the last 7 years because WE SEE AND UNDERSTAND FULLY what is happenign to our freedoms and future in this great country but for the first time in that many years I'm finally optomistic (and so are most democrats) that a change in leadership will occur and better things are ahead for myself and my children. You say that your party is the one that says "give a man a fish" but all I've seen of your party is "if you PAY A RICH MAN to buy a Humvee (after Bush preached about Americans being addicted to oil)we'll be dependent upon foreign oil forever and the rich oil tycoons get richer". Its hypocracy and talking from boths sides of the mouth and I'm SICK AND TIRED OF IT!!! Republicans have stood for three things in my opinion the last seven years: Ideology, Greed and Lies

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Kathryn in Bham — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:01:06 GMT

A-
Whatever your opinion is about the current administration, I do not see how your blame on the Republican party is acurate or productive. First of all, glad for you that you could take the FMLA and put it to use. I, however, have three children who have been in full time daycare from the time they were six weeks old because I had no choice but to go back to work in order to keep my job (and food in their mouths). I do not blame GWB or any political party for that. It is as it is. Unfair mind you, but rather than being angry at "someone", I am looking to the future and am optimistic that change can and will occur.
To your point on the divisiveness of GW Bush... I would say that for the past 8 years the Democratic party has made it their mission to divide the country and make sure that everyone is of the opinion that it is the Republicans who have 'ruined' our country so that they will be in full power for the upcoming
term(s). I think that it is that determination and drive for power from those who did not have it that has divided this nation. That is why I do not think that Hillary Clinton is a good choice for our country for the next 8 years. She will definately be a dividing power.

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Desperate, Overland Park KS — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:03:52 GMT

Right on A.
Your comments are inspiring. Your story is inspiring. Republicans are ruining our country and we need to convert the Kathryns of the world so they are no longer Bush apologists.
For the record I think that limited govt is not as important as government that is monitored for waste. Nobody likes pork, but everyone likes police departments and fire departments (socialist programs). We don't need socialism, but the founder of capitalism and our forefathers noted that capitalism would not provide for certain services. Thusly, the public sector is responsible in those instances where private interests are either incapable or uninterested. Sadly, the private sector and HMOs have run health care into the ground and ruined the opportunity that Americans gave them.

Have no fear, we'll boot those liars out. But we need to bring the rest of America (Kathryn) along for the ride. However, arguing against the wall of faith is sometimes an argument not worth having. If the Kathryns of America cannot see how awful the leaders that they elected have performend then they need to be marginalized through ridicule or at least that's what Thomas Jefferson suggests.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.-Jefferson

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go mitt — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:49:56 GMT

Some people are way off key in this forum.

My first vote would be for me but sense i'm not running then it would have to be Romney, Obama, hopefully no Clinton.
You know, it is alot easier to figure out who not to vote for then to vote for.
By the way, some people are loose cannons. Use facts but for no other purpose then to confuse the listener. If you want facts go to the source and forget all the hearsay.
Chow

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Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:50:42 GMT

Kathryn,

It's PRODUCTIVE in that I'm trying to make sure that people aren't decieved by the same party who have preached the same message over the last 7 years but whose ACTIONS have repeatedly been different than what they preach. You can't PREACH family values and then try to do away with or decrease FMLA (which is what Bush and the republicans are trying to do at the behest of business owners before they leave office)without being a hypocrit. If I'm to believe than any replublican running for office would do things differently then President Bush, then where were they before they ran for president? I didn't hear any of them saying............hey that's not right or I disagree except for McCain and for him it was a single issue disagreement about torture because it personally affected him. I can BLAME republicans for shamefully preaching family values and following blindly behind Bush. I think anyone who believe in family values would support PAID time off for families to spend time with a new infant. Our children are the future of this country. Anyone who believes in family values would be for healthcare for all children. Is it a childs fault he or she gets sick and their parents can't afford health insurance? I feel for you that you were not able to take more time with your children at infancy as I know that I'm very fortunate and blessed and wouldn't trade those moments for ANYTHING in the world. It is what it is, but it doesn't HAVE to be that way. It is true that Hillary is someone whom the republicans HATE (which just doesn't seem Christian AT ALL) and because of that she is divisive. As unfortunate as that is I do want to see what a female president can do for this country. I think she will focus on health, education, the middle class and bringing up the standard of living for the working poor (I remember living on mac and cheese from aldis while working a full time job to pay rent and college loans........and it wasn't fun) security WITHIN our countries borders instead of OUTSIDE this countries borders and things that matter TO ME. Anyone who disagrees with me is FREE TO DO SO, THANK GOD AND BLESS OUR SOLDIERS!!!

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Tom, Lynnville ,Iowa — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:51:41 GMT

Hi ,I am watching the debate and am amazed that on education nobody had metioned the 50% divorce rate and that maybe judges are to quick to award custody to one parent over another and that that there may be some of the problem?

Hi ,I am watching the debate and am amazed that on trade issue nobody had metioned the buying public decsions on USA made or Imports maybe People are to quick to buy imports over Usa Made and that that there may be some of the problem "BUY MADE IN THE USA"

Hi ,I am watching the debate and am amazed that no one has called for an end to government perks?
On health care ,One said that government was spose to be made up of "people for the people" my question is why have they gave them selves free health care? they have raised them selves higher than the people they serve in many other ways ,in pay? ,in retirement? , In healthcare cost's? ,In working hours? I think its time for them to all be reduced to the peoples level they are to represent?

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Kathryn in Bham — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:09:34 GMT

Tom -
I think what you are describing is a disgrace and is done by MANY Americans across this country... both republicans and democrats... I don't think anyone should have an appointed right to freedoms and priviledge that is not attainable by all. However, I also disagree with government mandates that create a totally even playing field. That is very close to socialism, don't you think?

To both you and A-
I think we should all have the same opportunities to achieve the same goals as all other Americans, which is what capitalism is about. Unfortunately, there are downsides to everything, but the great thing about our country is that we all have the right and responsibility to hold each other accountable and to be involved in every aspect of our governing, on both the local and national levels. Which is to say Go Huckabee - you have the right and responsibility to proclaim your views/moral stances and ambitions for our country as we all do. Go Hillary, Barack, Mitt, and everyone else. The real responsibility lies with us, the citizens, who MUST responsibly learn to live together, keep each other accountable and realize our role in this government 'by the people, for the people'. And thank God for those who fight for our right to do so.

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Brian, Melbourne, Florida — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:27:24 GMT

Why is it that when Ron Paul says he will abolish the IRS he is called crazy, but when Mike Huckabee says he too would abolish the IRS its a non-issue?

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Rob, Iowa — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:41:40 GMT

A, It's sad you feel that way. Yes, I agree that FMLA has helped many Americans. Being a conservative I can't come down on that for the sake of sounding uncompassionate. Same for Social Security. But I would argue that we can do better than Social Security. Imagine if you dad had invested his Social Security income, for the sake of argument say $5000 a year, into a seperate account which could accrue at 8% vs. the SS 2%. But that is to be debated at another time.

Let me just state that George W. Bush is giving many conservatives running for office much to run against. Sure we are running against the Democrats, but we can also gain political traction distancing ourselves from "Bushie". I am hearing firey speeches from local conservative candidates running for Federal offices. And the tone of the speeches are that we need to return to our core fiscal beliefs.

I am one conservative who is very dissatisfied with 'W'. Sure I like much of what he did, but we could have gotten much more accomplished. After the Transportation Bill last year I called my local representatives and left messages voicing my displeasure. I told Andrew Card when he was here in 2004, that Bush needed to veto some spending bills.

Many Democrats claim their victory in 2006 was a "mandate" for them. They can mis-read it if they want, to their own peril. But the 2006 vote was a revolt from conservatives who were displeased with Bush and the Republican Congress who abandoned our core fiscal principles.

Right now the likely Democratic nominee is going to be Hillary, and I can already see her gameplan to connect our nominee and Bush at the hip. But heck, she sounds allot like Bush also.

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Kay73 — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:05:23 GMT

Kathryn in Bham,

If you replaced Huckabee's name with Romney's you would have it just about right.

"What is so threatening about Huckabee's .
beliefs/convictions and moral foundation? I don't see him trying to push anything on anyone... the only people trying to push their views/opinions are those who oppose his. I think he is a strong candidate based on much more than his character, which holds fast despite the constant criticism. I am for a candidate who wants to initiate change and direct this country in a positive direction. I am for a candidate who we can trust to take over in a difficult time, be open to progression in foreign and domestic affairs, help us recognize as a country what we can do to move forward and who is not afraid to speak out and take action. We need someone who is not making decisions based on "so and so did this wrong and it's time I right it"... like the democrats are doing. We all know that we are not in a place we want to be right now, a place created by many factors, and we need CHANGE and accountability to turn things around. HUCKABEE IS THE CANDIDATE WHO CAN AND WILL DO THAT!"
Huckabee's record shows that he struggles with ethics issues. His record shows that he has a "pardon" addiction. He has risen in the polls to quickly for me to take him seriously. It feels like he is hypnotizing the evangelical crowd with his charisma. He is a talented story teller. He feels like a door to door saleman to me.