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Bable Nut — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:39:36 GMT

I am sorry to say this but I am extremely dissapointed in the Clinton election "juggernaut". They are shooting themselves in the foot and making Obama come out in roses. How are the mighty fallen? Tell it not in Des Moines publish it not in the cities of New Hampshire and South Carolina.

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Grant, Durham, New Hampshire. — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:48:42 GMT

WOW. Obama has a morale compass...

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Lyn, MD — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:51:17 GMT

Priceless......

Go Obama 08

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raf — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:52:31 GMT

Let me get this straight:

1. Obama admits he used drugs when he was a teenager.
2. A Clinton campaign aide makes the comment that Obama's past drug use will make him vulnerable to attacks from Republicans.
3. The Clinton campaign aide, who didn't use drugs and who simply stated the bloody obvious, is pressured to resign?

It kind of reminds me of John Kerry -- the guy who actually served in Vietnam and had the purple heart to prove it -- being labeled unpatriotic by Bush's surrogates while Bush, the patriot, hid in the Texas National Guard (instead of going to Vietnam) and, even then, avoid drilling in order to campaign for someone in Alabama. Something's a little screwy here.

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Ron, TX — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:53:37 GMT

Wow. I can't believe the Clinton campaign actually followed Obama's advice. It was an incredibly poignent statement from Axelrod, one that hits the issue to the core. Clinton DID declare the new "phase" of her campaign (attacking Obama) "the fun part"... literal quote. What does she expect her campaign to do when she declares that negative attacking is fun? They followed her lead.

Maybe she -isn't- ready to begin leading on day one. Presidents do not relish negative politics. They answer rediculous suggestions honestly and truthfully, and they set an example by disapproving of and condemning negative mudslinging. Obama hit the nail on the head.

This, combined with Hillary's absurd sarcastic remark during the debate that "I[Hillary] want to hear that [Obama's response]" to a question about former Clinton advisors advising Obama, to which he answered that "Well, Hillary, I'm looking forward to having you as an advisor as well... I want to gather up talent from everywhere."..

These two moment could very well be the moments that finishes Hillary's campaign.

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--NSMSNBC — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:54:30 GMT

"It is clear that the politics of false attacks ..."

False attacks? That's like swiftboating, right? Something attributed to Kerry losing to Bush and leaving our country in hot water.

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Grant, Durham, New Hampshire. — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:55:03 GMT

My question is if Shaheen will actually be gone! Hillary would be getting rid of the most powerful democratic operative in the state. She is way to smart for that. I am sure Billy Shaheen will stay on behind the scenes. Absolutely sure of it. It would be torture for him NOT to be involved. And a total waste of his talent and skill in NH politics.

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:00:38 GMT

Another Clinton (or Clinton surrogate) attack leads to another Obama win. And for Clinton to dumbly make that "fun part" comment just invites the obvious comeback, when Clinton tries to say her campaign had nothing to do with... x, y or z.

By the way, remember that Novak "dirty trick?" How he was "lying" about a Clinton staffer offering up "scandalous" information on Obama?

Today Novak offered a pretty convincing follow-up. He states names, not only from the campaign but also other media types they approached. And he talks about the content of the "scandalous" info.

What was it? The leadership PAC thing. You know, the one that Obama used to contribute to other Democrats' campaigns. The same one that contributed to Clinton, who know calls it a "slush fund."

Shocking! A Democrat runs a PAC to raise money for other Democrats! Lol. The only real shock here is how amateurish the Clinton campaign is suddenly looking.

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Anne, Columbus, OH — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:07:09 GMT

I see a pattern here in the Clinton campaign... attacks on the dreams of a 5 yr old, 2 workers for the campaign recently emailing the false claims that Obama is a muslim, and the NH co-chair implying that Obama is a drug dealer. This is a disservice to the whole democratic party no matter whom you support. "Fun"? Not so much.

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--NSMSNBC — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:12:16 GMT

Obama has gotten off easy. It is if he is teflon. I want to know more about him. I want to know more about his old friend - the ex con who now lives in a car, I want to know about his drug use, those suspicious looking stock purchases, the whole nine yards.

Obama wants to be President of the United States. We have to vet this guy. Why did he change the names of his friends and associates in his book, and why is he hesisitant to talk more about his past, except on his own term, as in his book.

Who is Barack Hussein Obama?

Sorry for double-posting, I just thought of something.

[The media should do its job, stop fawning over this pol, and ask him some tough questions for a change.
Dickie Flatts, Charlotte, NC (Sent Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:21 PM)]

"He went on to add that the campaign would effectively respond to Republican attacks by being upfront about Obama's past. "Honesty is how you respond to the attacks. He's been very straight forward about this. This isn't some expose of some vault somewhere. This is something he wrote about in a book 12 years ago.""
**Maybe it is B.H. Obama's honesty that deflects these criticisms and will likewise in the general election. Sounds like a strong general election contender. Or it could just be that everything being tossed at him right now seems to be relatively meaningless. Drugs--not the issue they once were. Surveys--never were very important.

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diane — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:15:44 GMT

Obama is right. Any company and it's employees actions and attitude are a direct reflection of how the top is.
If the company is nasty towards people you know it has either ineffective or nasty leadership up at the top.
And especially a campaign that is a reflection of the candidate.
and concider the smear emails from 3 chairpeople in Iowa from Clinton's camp who resigned last week.
There is far too many incidents for it to be just a renegade person doing their own thing.

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ace p washington, d.c. — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:27:12 GMT

it is a sign of leadership in it's most definitive sense for obama to approach hillary inn this manner instead of taking it to the media. it speaks to his character, his ability to bridge over disagreements and find a solution. it takes more than just fighting.

his actions speak to his sensability and good judgement. imagine if the shoe had been on the other foot.

during the campaign season and heat of battle this gentleman approached hillary with respect and class instead of dwelling in sewer politics. this approach is an eye opener as to how he may run the country and close the divide between republicans and democrats.

this true leadership in it's purest form folks.

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:33:53 GMT

Game, Set, Match !!

Which one is the 'experienced' candidate ?
Obama's campaign just ran circles around Hillary's !!

Suck on this:

'..."Senator Obama expressed to Senator Clinton it's important for campaigns to send a signal from the top as to what type of campaign they want to run. If you send a signal that negative campaigning is the fun part of campaigns and treat it as a sport, then you are sending a signal down the line that it's all okay...'

Hillary is now effectively handcuffed !!

Say bye bye to the 'Queen of Mean' !!

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jade7243 — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:48:56 GMT

I think a man who writes candidly about his youth and his experimentation with drugs as a means to ease the anguish he was feeling, as Obama has explained in "Dreams of My Father." I think a man who writes a book that is a bestseller -- so thousands upon thousands upon thousands have read it -- has demonstrated his honesty and forthright attitude, his authenticity and transparency.

Senator Clinton on the other hand continues to be as secretive as she was in the 1990s. Nothing has changed.

We are ready to move on. Put another way: we have already crossed the bridge to the 21st century. We don't need to go back and cross it again so Hillary gets her photo op.

We do want "change agents," we want CHANGE. We want Barack Obama in 2008.

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docrock,tx — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:55:37 GMT

Just think,the American attention span is down to 28 minutes.So if you wonder why postings are delayed one to two hours,there is no sense in you reading this post.You have allready forgotten what you thought.Try to tell me the Media does not run your life.

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wheeeeee! — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:16:02 GMT

Clinton's right on one thing: this IS the fun part!

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sonya, atlanta,ga — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:19:47 GMT

It was a racist statement pure and simple. When someone can point me an article where Bush and Clinton were asked if they sold drugs then I will eat crow. Hillary has just lost the black vote and if she becomes the nominee, she will lose the south and any other state that black votes are crucial. This was all over black talk radio this morning. We may forgive, but we won't forget. Never!

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Rick,ky — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:27:52 GMT

Here's this little tidbit. Knowing that the National co-chair had resigned, Hillary's campaign manager (I think) Mark Penn, mentioned cocaine on Hardball twice this evening. You talk about DUMB!!!.

" DELUSIONAL THINKING BY COMMON SENSE AMERICAN'S IS OVER"

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ace p washington, d.c. — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:29:57 GMT

i think the drug issue is a mute point. he was a teenager at that time. how old was bill clinton when he didn't inhale????? clinton's best leave this alone.

the slush (pac)fund. it was disclosed that one of the contributions went to bill shaheens wife and another to hillary's senatorial reelection campaign. what slush fund?????

the guy being referrd to as an ex-con. he isn't a con yet, but will likely be soon. let's look at this as well. this guy owned property along barack's property. barack purchased the lot with a legal contract of purchase and sale for real property to expand his lot holding. this transaction has been investigated and nothing found wrong nor illegal. barack also said that him and this guy were friends (not close friends) and was not aware of his illegal activities. this has been checked into as well (nothing was found). i'm sure we all have associated with someone that we didn't know all that they were involved in. nothing there!!!!!!!

as far as the stock purchases are concerned. i find this posting most hilarious. when a candidate is running his or hers financial dealings are looked into prior to running and the entire time they are running. their tax returns, investments, and more stay under scrutiny from the sec and more. nothing there either!!!!!

look, the truth is you aren't ging to find dirt or skeletons in obama's, edwards, biden's, richardson, dodd or kucinich's closet. it is a waste of time and endeavor to try to do so.

this is why nothing has stuck. not because he is teflon, but he is clean and practices what he preach. i would say the same for edwards and the others.

it is this reason the republicans will have a hard time against obama or edwards.

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David Anders Pharr, Tx — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:30:11 GMT

Now the other half knows why over 50% of Americans would not vote for Hillary under any circumstances. She knows everything going on and knew of this. Every time she opens the letters L_I_E_S comes out. Of course her pervert Bill never inhaled, and we all know what he does with cigars. How did she even become a candidate?

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JT — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:35:31 GMT

I think it is quite rich for Mr. Obama to try to suggest that Mrs. Clinton is in some way responsible for the behavior of her subordinates when just this week he is on record claiming that one of the people who worked for him filled out a survey when he was running for the State Senate completely without his knowledge. This was his explanation when he was confronted with past poltical views that he had espoused that could clearly hurt him in the general election. How nice for him. If this story is true it means essentially that Mr. Obama defrauded a voter group into endorsing him based on lies about his positions. Nice to see that Mr. Honesty didn't take the time to correct this misperception until he was running for president. It also seems to that he has failed to apologize for defrauding this group. I am amazed that people are dumb enough to believe that he is somehow a different kind of politican.

Also, in reference to Mr. Novak's colum it should not be suprising to see him working to try to advance Mr. Obama. Mr. Novak fails to focus on the real problem represented by Mr. Obama's PAC- the fact that it takes money from lobbyists and PACs. It may not simply be a slush fund, even though it certainly has been used to aid Mr. Obama's presidential bid which is both ehtically and legally questionable. The bigger point is that Mr. Obama is doing the very thing that he has criticized Mrs. Clinton for while misleading people into believing he didn't do it. As Mr. Obama comes under more scrutiny we will begin to see his act for the hypocrisy that is. This is a deeply dishonest campaign of false hope and if democrats are dumb enough to fall for it the Republicans will actually have a fighting chance this fall.

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Michael, Los Angeles CA — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:35:44 GMT

One second -

Senator Obama expressed to Senator Clinton it's important for campaigns to send a signal from the top as to what type of campaign they want to run.'

But wait wasn't it Obama who said a staffer answer the questionaire (with all those crazy positions) and that wasn't his fault - and wasn't there another memo this summer from Obama that blamed clinton for being in the native american lobby - where he used a naughty word... and blamed that on another staffer - WAIT does it sound like someone wants it both ways????

You decided

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Simon, IA — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:36:17 GMT

And how about all the wrong memos coming out of Obama camp and every time, the answer was the staffer's response was not vetted?

Is that coming from top?

Double standards make hypocrites lovely:-). Politics as usual with no hope.

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ace p washington, d.c. — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:40:24 GMT

if experience on foreign policy and domestic issues is such a grave issue then why is washington in the state of gridlock it is in????????

why is our reputation in the world so damaged? why is our image on human rights so bad? why are we in this 10n trillion dollar deficit? why if the folks that have 15,20 and 25 years plus experience are so valuable the country has gooten worst instead of better?

i think we need change. i think we need a new mindset. i think we need a new philosophy. i think we need new ideaology. i think we need new leadership. we need a person that will build a bridge from the republican coast to the democratic coast with independents crossing that bridge with the new president.

we need change, good judgement, class, respect, honor and yes strength. strength to say the things needed not wanted. courage to go in the lions den (detroit for example) and stand tall.

there are some that have these qualities. there are few that fit the description.

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Marty CR Iowa — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:43:35 GMT

Dirty politics and Dems go together Anyone ask the Holier than thou Edwards how he made millions off of the "corporations" he fought "all his life", class action suits is how. One of the biggest fraud games lawyers play. I would rather vote for Mickey Mouse than any of these low level liars.

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Joe, Los Angeles, CA — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:54:43 GMT

It was a dumb thing to say...

but everyone has a case of short-term memory. Anyone REALLY think the GOP is too classy to create illusions about candidates with fautly information is certifiably insane!!!

And if you think the media is going to give a fair and balanced look at it, you are even MORE insane.

Who the hell is watching this stuff / paying attention to these websites? Literally tens of thousands of political junkies who've already made up their mind.

the national poll has Hillary up by 30 points. Yeah, I know that doesn't mean much in a primary state, but general perceptions aside, it's anyone's game this is not a knock-out error. though, it's still an error.

and while I fret who the dems nominate, judging by the GOP circles I talk to, it won't matter much. Now THAT is a depressed group.

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Bill, California — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:55:02 GMT

Raf, this is classic old-time slime politics. Put your fall-guy out there to make a slime statement, apologize later (after the impact has already been made), and then have your candidate claim she knew "nothing about it."

The only problem for Hillary? That stuff worked in the 90s. It's now a transparent hack-job and only the latest reason why we need a real change.

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Dale, Denver — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:58:57 GMT

Racist? Gimme a break.

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Roosevelt Evans III, Nashville, Tenn. — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:02:42 GMT

The fact of the matter is that if Senator Obama wins the Democrat nomination for President in '08, the Republicans are going to eat him up and tear his private and personal life to shreds. Obama supporters better hope and pray that Obama has never dated a white girl because if he has the Republicans will find her so as to stir up racial prejudices against mixed relationships and there are enough ignorant white folks who will not vote for Obama just for just such a reason. I live in Tennessee and just insinuating that Harold Ford dated white women cost him the Senate race. Shaheen told the truth. Obama can't win the general election in '08 despite his idealism and charm. In my opinion the only Democratic candidate that can win in '08 is John Edwards, the white Southerner that cares for all Americans.

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Simon, IA — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:10:47 GMT

Looks like honesty and integrity to me. From Hillary's people. Although the drug question will be out there for the next year if he wins the nomination.

More importantly, democrats need to stop making excuses for Obama in the primary. Clinton's 30% and Edwards' 30% don't buy the "judgement" and "hope" garbage and i gusrantee 100% of repubs and 75% of independents won't buy it either in the general election. And think about what you do, because if Obama get the nomination and loses (which he will) he will never get another chance because the anger at him for wasting our chance in 08 will be worse than anything felt towards Nader or Kerry. It will take another generation to get another Obama, why take the chance? he can wait 8 years can't he? he's only 46.

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Yiannis, Baltimore — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:16:44 GMT

Clinton campaign keeps bringing up cocaine.

http://thepage.time.com/penn-and-trippi-get-snippy-on-msnbc/

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ANYONE BUT OBAMA, NY, NY — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:19:10 GMT

I sit hear and laugh (sadly) at how so many of you are being led by the Obama train......half of you couldn't even state where he stands on any of the important issues - yeah, just what we need - another "outsider".....please, doesn't anyone remember Jimmy Carter???!!! It would be funny if it weren't so sad. As a lifetime Democrat it pains me to think that I will actually be voting Republican next year if this neophyte is lucky enough to ride the press's momentum....If people think Hillary was going to be unelectable, then just sit back and watch as they chew up and spit out what is left of the skinny kid with the funny ears from Illinois....Tragic, just tragic......

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R.W. Cranston — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:26:48 GMT

I'd like this sorted out but by whom? The Wall Street Journal is the only newspaper we can trust !!!

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Tareli, Fuquay Varina NC — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:30:38 GMT

If Obama gets the nomination, the republicans will bring up his past drug use. Bill Shaheen did not imply that Obama was a drug dealer. He simply stated a fact, that the questions about Obama's drug use would come up during the general election.

Hillary's comment on "Fun" meant that all the time she had been silent while she was hit with attacks from Obama and Edwards and now she was going to hit back. So what's so unfair about that? They're allowed to pile on her but she can't defend herself?

Obama was going around to schools and telling America's youth that he did drugs when he was their age. These young people look up to him and think it's ok for them to do drugs because Obama did drugs and look how well he turned out. That goes against the teachings of their parents, teachers and mentors who tell them that drugs are bad, that drugs will screw up their lives. They tell their kids "Don't do drugs" over and over again, and here along comes Obama telling them the opposite of what they have been hearing.

Not exactly the kind of role model I would want for America's youth.

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M, Saint Paul, Minn. — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:35:11 GMT

Jade, Ace,

Very well put. BHO performed very well today, as did Sr. Axelrod. I look forward to how this all shakes out in the end.

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Ken Collins/ Wagoner, Oklahoma — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:36:59 GMT

Ms Hillary best not forget that Billy the slick willy dodged the draft smoked pot and who knows he might have sold drugs ???
This shows what type of person she really is ,anything to win her election, ANYTHING !!!!
Hillary is stepping on thin ice when she tries to act like her and slick willy are as clean as the white driven snow (NOT A WAY IN HELL ARE THE CLINTONS In any position to be a judge and jury against anyone.
Hillary sees her chances slip sliding away and she will pull anything to try to change the tide of defeat !!!!

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Nancy Abraham — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:39:11 GMT

What the Clinton's are saying is that no matter what a person who is black accomplishes in their life they should always be held responsible for what they did as a teenager. Obama went to College and Law School, worked as a community Activist, went on to be a Constitutional Professor, became a State Senator and a U.S.Senator. We should forget all that and throw him under the bus because he did what I would guess three fourths of the kids in America have also done. Is that what we want to say to our kids? You can never get past your mistakes because some holier than thou person will come along some day and throw it in your face. This is a racist attack. The Clinton's act as if they are the best friends of the black people but they despise Obama for running against Hillary. One of their supporters in an article posted on another web site called Obama uppity for taking on Hillary in the primaries. My vote and my money will go to Obama.

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MR — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:03:12 GMT

Hillary's New Years Resolution during the debate included "running a campaign that Democrats can be proud of"... guess she realizes she hasn't been doing that and has been damaging the Democratic party.

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craigfarmer,bowie,md — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:03:23 GMT

74% say:most wouldn't vote for Pres who used cocaine

In a New York Times poll in June, 74 percent of respondents said they did not think most people they know would vote for a presidential candidate who has ever used cocaine.

"In the few polls that explicitly ask about cocaine use in a presidential candidate (as opposed to the softer more generic 'Drug Use,')" says one Washington, D.C. insider, "Seventy-four percent say cocaine use makes a person unfit to be president. It's the highest negative apart from 'no government experience.' Put differently, never in the history of the presidency has a front runner openly admitted to using cocaine. So now that Obama is talking about the drug use more often, I am absolutely certain it's because he and his team know that the cocaine issue is going to roar forward. It will be a major issue if he is the nominee.The GOP will ride it hard and he is trying to inoculate."

Full article from Iowa paper on 12/6
http://iowaindependent.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1594

If this sentiment is correct about EVER then this was a great move by Hillary. People have to remember best seller books don't sell that many copies. Also the media is so ashamed of their past drug use they feel the topic is off limits unless there is some linkage to public duties. So now every paper across the country has the story that Obama used cocaine.

I give Sheehan credit for taking the public hit to his reputation. He can bounce back with a White House appointment.

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:07:10 GMT

Okay, I'll admit it. Sometimes I flick over to Fox to see what they're talking about. Tonight I'm glad I did. Hannity and Colmes had a segment with Frank Luntz.

By the way, I thought Luntz was with MSNBC. What happened there?

Anyway, he had a focus group discussing this drug dealer thing. I was stunned - it was like the attacks have just reached some sort of critical mass.

If this focus group was at all representative of Democrat caucus and primary participants, Clinton won't win a single state. And I say that not thinking anything of the kind before the segment. Of course that's only 20-some people, but... wow.

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Mark, NC — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:26:16 GMT

"Oh, give me a break. Because he is black, you can't ask the extent of his involvement with drugs? That's the biggest load of crap I have ever heard. You can't play the race card when you choose, and then claim that race doesn't make a difference when it suits you.

I don't think that race factors into this AT ALL. The bottom line, to me, is that he used a very dangerous and very addictive drug, and I think he should have to answer questions about it. I would say the same of any of the other candidates had they admitted to using cocaine.
Carrie, Eastern Iowa (Sent Thursday, December 13, 2007 5:22 PM)"

Carrie I have a HUGE problem with your statements. I know it is from a differnt post but I can't let this go on. Hillary's team was suggesting Obama was some crack dealing thug. The image is George Bush and Bill Clinton might use drugs but they would never stoop so low as to sell them. They probably used it in a party setting where it was a harmless environment. The image of Obama per the Clinton camp is envoking images of "American Gangster". They might as well asked if he shot anyone. Is he friends with Frank Lucas? I have NEVER EVER heard any white candidate that has admitted drug use asked if they were a dealer/distributor. That's the racist part. I have no reason to think Obama would lie. The man is honest peroid. This is the type of person who would tell the truth even if it hurt him. Something the Clintons or Bushes would EVER do.

sonya, atlanta,ga - Amen to your post.

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Nancy R. — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:40:02 GMT

People! Just say no to drugs!!

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Boston, MA — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:01:03 GMT

the never-ending Media-Obama lovefest. Firstread repeating Axelrod talking points verbatim. By the why didn't the media ask the questions that Mr Shaheen had to raise...Oh they were busy critiquing Hillary's laugh.

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Kurt Munroe, Philadelphia — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:37:25 GMT

It is plain to see, Clinton is just like Bush when it comes to hurting people who appear to represent a threat. Clinton is claiming that she has leadership experience yet so many news reports are posting that a Clinton "aide" rather than Clinton, herself, is on the attack. What nonsense. Clinton hides behind aides like Bush hides behind his underlings. What a coward. No way is she fit to be America's leader. Morally, Clinton is a failure. Strategically, she is an idiot. How does she figure on carrying the black vote, if she did manage to pick up the party's nomination, when she unfairly dumps on Obama? Look at the support that black America offers the Democratic Party, +90% voting in each election. Look at the support black America had given Bill Clinton through good times and bad times. Now look at the total disrespect Clinton shows Obama. Bill Clinton now travels to black America and tells blacks essentially not to support Obama, while poll after pool talks about women's support for Clinton. Why is a certain demographic issue important for her but not for Obama? It won't add up in the end AND IT SHOULDN'T. The Democratic Party in general, and black democrats, in particular, were very generous to the Clintons, but here they come for more power. Just like the Bushes. Is it the female issue that should propel her campaign or a true reflection of her so-called leadership skills? You never hear about Obama playing any cards. It doesn't add up. How much power is enough for these people? More importantly, Clinton is always on the wrong side of important decisions. Something is very wrong here. We were warned that Bush would be horrible on foreign policy matters and look what we got. Clinton is proving that she is both horrible at foreign and domestic issues. There are a whole lot of things, on a whole lot of levels, wrong with the campaign involving Clinton. What a clown.

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KWH,. CA — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:45:01 GMT

As a Republican who started the College Republicans on my college campus in Iowa in the 1980s. I can guarantee you that the Republican party will use Obama's drug usage against him. The resignation of Shaheen which was probably forced by Hillary, just shows that she has no balls.
In fact, an ad set in the style of the 1970s show basement with a bong and three teenages would be very effective. The first teenager would say "Dude, Obama is one of us!" The second would reply, "Yeah, man! He inhaled!" The third would then yell "Bong hits for Obama!!!" The tag line would be something like: "Vote of Mike Huckabee, he's a good Christian opposed to Drugs" or "Vote for Rudy Guiliani, he put drug lords away when he was the U.S. Attorney!!"
Neither Obama nor Clinton can win. If this was a uncontested Republican Caucus like the 1984 election, College Republicans would go to the Democratic Caucus and vote for Obama or Clinton, just like they did in 1984 for Jesse Jackson. The Republicans want a candidate they can defeat. However, this year the Republicans have a huge selection of their own.
As a moderate Republican, the only Democratic candidate I would vote for is John Edwards. In fact, I perefer him to any of the Republican Candidates. He is more like Lincoln or Teddy Roosevelt. The current Republican party has lost its way and become once again the party of Grant, Harding, Taft, graft and corruption. Edwards is the only hope for America. Indpendents and Moderate Republicans will vote for him. It would be a cold day in Hades if I ever voted for Hillary Clinton. She is the most unamerican candidate ever. The Handmaiden of Wal Mart, the Handmaiden of China, and the Handmaiden of India.

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Jimmy Z Wexford, PA — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:48:04 GMT

A couple of thoughts from a Conservative:

1) It amazes me to hear the Clinton's complain of media bias.
2) Shaheen tried to deflect his slime politicking on to the GOP by claiming they would use Obama's past drug use against him when truth be told he was trying to use it to save Hillary's fat ass.
3) I'd take a person of principle and honesty over Boss Hogg in a pant suit even if I disagree with his positions on issues I deem important.

Go Barack OprahBama

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Jimmy Z Wexford, PA — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:48:33 GMT

Did meeting lead to Shaheen ouster?

Yiannis, Baltimore — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:56:34 GMT

Novak is back with a vengeance

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23958&s=rcmp

Last summer, a few Clinton insiders -- headed by her Senate chief of staff, Tamera Luzzatto -- paid a presumably social visit to the Cape Cod, Mass., vacation home of a prestigious Democrat reported to be in Obama's corner. Luzzatto warned that Obama was ethically challenged because of his leadership PAC. My sources indicated that this was not an isolated incident, and the slush-fund story was spread widely.

In a later incident, a Democrat, not on Clinton's Senate or campaign staffs but close to her, a month ago approached a party activist who has not made a commitment with this message: Skeletons in Obama's closet would make him vulnerable if nominated. He did not elaborate and said the Clinton campaign would keep its anti-Obama information to itself, remembering mutually destructive assaults between Howard Dean and Dick Gephardt in 2004 that enabled John Kerry's nomination.

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Roberta, Greensboro, NC — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:02:28 GMT

The beautiful aspect of the "Leadership flows from the top" comment is that it is reminiscent of the issues the Bush Administration is experiencing with the torture controversies. Bush and Rummy set the tone and look at how some in the military and CIA and other agencies took it to mean open season on "the enemy".

Same concept here. Same tactics here.
Ready for a change?! Obama '08!!!

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Kevin, Florida — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:28:31 GMT

Some of you folks need to get outside and get some fresh air. Your perceptions of the world are so narrow that it's obvious you eat what the media feeds you every morning. Travel the world a little, starting with your own country. Read some books. Educate yourself and quit being such a stupid American.

Obama just taught, yes TAUGHT, Hillary about the basic principles of leadership today. Obama is man-handling a self-proclaimed "Republican killer", and some of you don't think he can win the general? He has been forthcoming with everything, and yet you think he needs to be vetted more? He has parried with grace every attack Clinton has thrown at him, including strong character attacks, and everytime he has come out for the better, yet you think the Republicans will tear him apart?

Ridiculous. It's people like you who cause all the BS the rest of us have to deal with simply because you refuse to think beyond or expand your perception of the world. What do I mean?

It's people like you who vote for Bush because he's one of the "good ol' boys", yet it was plainly obvious that he was one of the least intelligent candidates for the presidency in recent memory, besides the fact that he rode daddy's curtails. Boy that sounds like a familiar storyline.

Speaking of, you are also the type that wants to vote for Clinton because she's "tough" and can fight Republicans, yet you forget about the trauma she and her husband brought this country in the 90's, you forget about all the drama she has unnecessarily brought this campaign season, and you forget that constant fighting is not the answer to forward progress. The Democratic field has a number of good candidates. There's no good reason to vote for Clinton.

Like I said, quit being a Stupid American and start owning up to reality. In the big scheme of things, Clinton is one of the worst candidates this year and the Democratic party could do a lot better.

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Daniel, NY — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:07:41 GMT

Pretty bad news for Democrats: Mike Moore will not be running for Senate in Mississippi, pretty much dashing Democratic hopes of getting the seat: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2007/12/yet-another-recruitment-failure-for.html

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eNews Reference, Dover NH — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:33:46 GMT

I don't think the voters are fooled, they know very well Clinton style politcs of personal attacks...I'm sorry, but it is textbook politics at its best... http://www.enewsreference.wordpress.com

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FACT / AZ — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:11:38 GMT

Ok, the minutes of fame in the spotlight is over. The gender card is now history! But the starlet is like a bad movie.

The Clinton shack just got hit by another wrecking ball! Who is the candidate? The spin master got his head chopped off! Are the facts just speeches written by those who are better qualified?

Clinton has failed the dress rehearsal. Seeing the debates are for the voter to see the candidate up close. Clinton forgot her lines, Changes the script to suit her hidden agenda's. Policy changes like one changes their underware. One is seeing the Clinton camp is supported by criminals, staff spinners no better than a failed fifth grader. The common person now understands Clinton resides only on conjecture. Clinton has a public agenda and a hidden agenda. Like the Bushes comleted their quest to destroy Iraq! The Clinton era destroyed a large part of national infrastructure, military unity, labor, industrial. Yet they were not without help from a failed congress.

So you have a very complicated decison, Vote for a failed professional liar, continued conjecture, more invention to take the remaining dollar in your wallet or four more years of living their dreams, Not Yours!

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Laura in 2008, Tampa, FL — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:15:49 GMT

Think about it - Hillary just fired her campaign manager in a state she has to win if she does not win Iowa !! If she loses NH .....what happens to SC ??

She is not in trouble ....yeah right !!

The "Queen of Mean" has out smarted herself once more !!

By attacking Obama in such petty ways, she has hurt herself in the general election (if nominated) as well !! All the Republicans need to do is sit back and use the "Obama high road strategy" with her and just challenge her "experience" and harp on "the records"......THE REPUBLICANS WILL HAVE 2008 MADE IN THE SHADE !!

She is more "unelectable" than Obama !!

Wake up Democrats !!

Gooooo Barrack !!

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MK, Los Angeles, California — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:22:24 GMT

This story is SO over. With Senator Clinton's apology and the resignation of her campaign co-chair who made the comments, there is nothing left to the story. It is time to start talking about issues that are important to the American people.

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Rufus Gibbons, DC — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:53:22 GMT

The FUN began just after the Philly Pile On by Edwards and Obama. They were the first to go negative and anything from the Clinton campaign will be like child's play compared to the republican dirty tricks crowd. When Karl Rove starts giving Barak advice on how to beat Hillary it means he thinks Barak will be easier to beat. Look at the successful attack on Harold Ford in 06. The republicans have already conceded the black vote in the south to the democrats. What they fear is the high number of republican women who will vote for Hillary because she is a woman.

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eNews Reference.com — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:28:00 GMT

I thought his own stupidity lead to his ouster...the fact of the matter is Afro-Americans make of 50% of Primary voters in Southern state...this could've sent a bad message... http://www.enewsreference.wordpress.com

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Mane, Houston TX — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:34:54 GMT

This is politics guys. Nothing is below the belt anymore. I'm not say it should be that way just that's the way it is and it's not an unfair question. Personally I think if the youth of today and tomorrow were told by a president who at least knew a little of what drugs were like then maybe they'd listen when somebody told them to just stay away from them rather than having someone like Nancy Reagan saying just say no. I'm dissapointed that even Bill Clinton wouldn't cop to getting high. But then again most people will do or say anything to get elected to public office which brings us back to the true nature of politics. It's not about telling the truth, it's about getting elected because they all see it as the end justifies the means.

Where I come from saying you did drugs til you were twenty and you never shared them with your friends doesn't make you honest it makes you an asshole because you didn't share your drugs with your friends...Nobody does coke by themselves until they've graduated to the junkie level. That's a statement every bit as unbelievable as "I didn't inhale." Don't be fooled....He just another politician. He's as calculated and coniving as all the rest. Nice guys don't get elected president of anything except president of the audio visual club in high school.

ps....the word is "moot"

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Jim Allen, Atlanta, GA — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:12:48 GMT

Hillary is NOT the "Queen of Mean."

She is Lady McBill. As in the quote regarding Monica's dress, "Out. Out. Damn spot."

I am going to try to never again vote for an alcoholic. I know this sounds discriminatory, but just because George and Dick (or Bill and Ted or possibly John) claim they have stopped drinking, doesn't mean they have they same Lack of Judgement or tendency to Deny The Truth that they had when they WERE drinking. (Am I the only one who see't the pattern?) And I will NOT vote for an Enabler like Hillary whose main motive in life is accumulating power by riding on her husband's coat tails regardless of who he is sleeping with.

What is scary, dear fools (and I voted for Clinton and the current Bush) is that my comments are not opinion but statements of fact.

We have been suckered. (Insert PT Barnum quote here.)

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Jim Allen, Atlanta, GA — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:14:56 GMT

Hillary is NOT the "Queen of Mean."

She is Lady McBill. As in the quote regarding Monica's dress, "Out. Out. Damn spot."

I am going to try to never again vote for an alcoholic. I know this sounds discriminatory, but just because George and Dick (or Bill and Ted or possibly John) claim they have stopped drinking, doesn't mean they have they same Lack of Judgment or tendency to Deny The Truth that they had when they WERE drinking. (Am I the only one who sees the pattern?) And I will NOT vote for an Enabler like Hillary whose main motive in life is accumulating power by riding on her husband's coat tails regardless of who he is sleeping with.

What is scary, dear fools (and I voted for Clinton and the current Bush) is that my comments are not opinion but statements of fact.

We have been suckered. (Insert PT Barnum quote here.)

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Sean — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:47:55 GMT

I used to think that I'd vote for Obama if Hillary didn't get the nomination, but after this "leadership comes from the top Hillary" - I think I'll pass. He sounds like an emotional mushy sad sack.

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Bill Graves — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:53:23 GMT

I like Obama more and more every day. He's real. He's smart and honest.

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Jfrog, Denver, Colorado — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:13:09 GMT

Obama is an angel compared to Hillary and all the immoral things she has done. She has been the darling of the media. But, just wait until she has to go up against the Republician nomine, it will hit the fan and she will not have a chance. Biden is the best person for the Democrats.

Peoples attention spans may be short, but, impressions last. America is getting the impression that Hillary is MEAN.

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Oscar — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:18:45 GMT

A few weeks back, Barack was attacking Hilary as "lacking in truthfulness" - which really meant he's calling her a liar. Now that he's in good shape in some polls in Iowa, he's lecturing Hilary about "sending a signal from the top" about negative campaigning and about recent commments regarding his past drug use.

Barack calls Hilary a liar... a Clinton campaign official comments about Barack's past drug use as a liability... Barack cries foul... Something's not right here.

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Gary, Franklin, WI — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:39:00 GMT

I'm not sure the Clinton/Obama spats help either candidate, no matter what the issue or source. Of the top three, only Edwards has remained largely above the fray. Often loosing an election (which Edwards did as the 2004 VP candidate), teaches you something about winning. All this back biting and finger pointing among campaign staff achieves nothing.

Edwards was my initial preference for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination. For a time after announcing Elizabeth's cancer, he was distracted and off message. I began to question whether Edwards was the right choice. However, he has regained his confidence, is fully back on message, and seems the adult among the three.

I hope Iowans give him one final look. If they do, the pundits may be in for a surprize come January 3.

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Bill Graves — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:43:28 GMT

I like Obama more and more every day. He's real. He's smart and honest.

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An objective opinion — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:50:43 GMT

You democrats are falling for it again. You will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Liberals like obama with liberal records do not do well in national elections. You better think twice, folks. Drug use is of no consequence, but liberal records are. And if you think there is no underlying reason for the media's lovefest with Obama.. think again. The media is corporate controlled, and corporations favor republicans. There is a reason Fox, MSNBC, and all the other talking head stations are piling it on Clinton. The republicans know Obama's record would be easier to beat that Clinton, Biden's or even Richardson's. If the dems choose a liberal, they will be making a HUGE mistake. IMHO

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B. Honest, Portland OR — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:23:42 GMT

I think it truly funny that people are accusing Edwards of "Making Money off from Class Action lawsuits Against Big Corporations" How can they be so naive?? Did the corporations in question Not Break The Law?? Were they not found guilty in a court of law?? If so then it is the Corporation's own fault for doing whatever it was that was illegal that got them sued in the first place, so Mr. John Edwards is and has been a fighter against corporate criminal wrongdoing for a long time, to accuse him of making his money doing the right thing is LUDICROUS. I feel that these right wingers that think it is so wrong to punish corporations for actual crimes against people are in fact the problem: Corporations have to be responsible for their actions and protecting them against lawsuits when they are clearly breaking the law is just the same as aiding and abetting a bank robber. So why are so many Republicans protecting a criminal class of corporate CEO's?? Because some of their buddies ARE those CEO's and are holding fat positions open Just For Them when they retire from 'politics' and go into the 'Private Sector'. That is sure what it looks like from here on the street!!

So I laugh every time I see someone point out the fact that Edwards made money from class action suits against big corporations: GOOD FOR HIM!!!

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ace p washington, d.c — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:26:00 GMT

one thing i am trying to grasp. so many of you have the need to hate obama. some of you hate edwards. some of you hate hillary.

in past elections and administrations you have had candidates that have used drugs and alcohol at an age older than obama's(high school). clinton and bush. why is this issue of drugs in high school such a focul point for some you. is it emotional dislike and hate?

edwards was invested in a hedge fund. this is true. is there something wrong with growing your investment? edwards gave that investment up when the media tried to portray it as more than it was. i wouldn't have given up the investment at all. it was his money not public money. to me it is the same as you buying bonds, cd's or maintaining a portfolio.

some people here make up stuff. it is ugly and untrue. some of you seem to enjoy keeping lies, rumors and slander flowing. i listen to some points that are made and they are the weakest, some absolutely trivial points to make.

to try and grow a high school indiscretion into a major character issue is slimy and shows a lack of concern for the actual issues.

obama, edwards, hillary nor anyone else deserves the poison that is being posted here. if it is true that is one thing. some of you are just hating because it isn't your candidate. i guess going negative is fun for some of you.

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Sherrie Paxton, Reeds Spring, MO — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:32:42 GMT

All I would like to know is what happened in all those missing years of Obama's life. Why doesn't he write a pamplet stating that in year ???? age 5 - I was ... age 6 . . . where did I go to school in these diffrent foreign counjtries? So many questions, for someone who was unknown to the public (except Illinois) before 2008.

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ace p washington, d.c — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:33:56 GMT

saying a candidate is not answering questions or being straight forward is not negative. that is a truth. if any candidate avoids a question or run around it they should be called on it. so claiming that obama or edwards were the first to go negative is wrong.

going negative is slandering a person. lieing on them in a way that could be personally damaging. attacking someones family. reaching back in childhood to convert adolescent misjudgement into charachter assaults. that is negative campaigning.

if we are going to hit these candidates when they screw up let's at least keep it truthful and defined to what is actually happening.

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Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:46:23 GMT

bottom line here folks, Barak is untested...that's the real point...all he has had to face on the national level is Alan Keyes...gimme a break...if the Obama campaign is this thin skinned what im the world are they going to do when the full barrage of the Republican machine comes at him...a one term senator who has never battled the Republicans on the national scene...the stakes are very high in this election for the Democrats...we cannot take the chance with another person going into the Presidency with on the job training...Obama has a great future ahead, in fact, I think he may be best suited for the Supreme Court, he would be amazing...but let's get real...it is not his time just yet...he needs more experience on the national level...that is the simple truth

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ace p washington, d.c — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:47:23 GMT

the assumption that republican women are going to vote for hillary because she is a woman is so way out of touch with the conservative base. the republican women hate hillary. this is a well known and proven fact. evry poll barring none shows that hillary is so strongly disliked in the conservative arena that she would be like adding fuel to a small fire if she won the nomination for the dem's.

as to karl rove. he is probaly one of the smartest and keen minds in republican and conservative politics. he would love nothing more than to avert attention away from hillary to seem as if he is supporting obama(or helping) so that dem's will look at obama unfavorably. polls show and comments made by republicans and the conservative base may possibly be drawn away from the repub base(in small numbers) if obama wins the nomination. Independents would definitely give him a substantial backing.

hillary would bring out conservatives and the gop base unlike anything we have seen. her nomination would undo all the work pres. bush has done to put the pres. election in dem's hand with his unconstitutinal administration.

the gop would have a big problem beating edwards or obama because there is no dirt to cling to. as far as being tough enough or experienced enough i would say to the naysayers that any candidate that can beat the clinton political machine can beat the gop. no doubt.

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ace p washington, d.c — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:49:01 GMT

he wasn't 20. he was in high school. facts getting twisted in order to make your case.

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Brian, Melbourne, Florida — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:55:31 GMT

I'm somewhat relieved that Hillary is showing her true colors as a monster with no agenda except discrediting her competition. And if I hear "The American People know where I stand" substituted for an actual statement of WHERE SHE STANDS one more time I'm going to scream.

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ace p washington, d.c — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:57:40 GMT

it amazes me that obama has made his point on issue after issue and some of you are so busy hating him for a reason that you can truthfully say why to yourself that you can't hear him. he is the only one to put a health plan forward that can be given public scrutiny. hillary has said i am going to mandate and convene a comittee to come up with a bipartisan solution(saying nothing). oh yeah, finally said in iowa debate will agressively pursue affordability(stolen from obama). edwards has just said he would mandate healthcare.

i can see where each candidate has avoided an issue. my question is if you are hating someone you don't know simply because they are in opposition to who you presently support how can you hear enough of what is being said to make an intelligent decision?

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Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:59:31 GMT

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ace p washington, d.c — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:05:04 GMT

he didn't say untruthful. he said disingenuous. has a total different meaning. this word isn't calling a person a liar. look it up.

mushy- a true inability to recognize leadership that would bring a country together. bush has been fighting a making the hole deeper for years. not mushy but masterful judgement and leadership. i think other candidates would have approached it the same.

if you want someone to go to washington looking for a fight then you may as well give bush a third term because nothing is going to change.

be strong when you need, fight win you must, but negotiate and lead first.

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raf — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:21:46 GMT

I still don't get it. Why is Shaheen's comment sleaze? Obama admits to a group of high school students that he did drugs. Shaheen basically says the Republicans are going to have a field day with this if Obama's the democratic nominee. (Romney in fact has already made issue of Obama's past drug use.) How is this any different than all the dems saying Hillary is divisive and the Republicans are going to be rabid dogs if she gets the nomination?

Obama is exploiting this issue. He's now asking people to contribute to his campaign to show Hillary that negative campaiging doesn't work. This is absurd. The voters are being played for fools. I'm not a Hillary supporter. I just think it's ridiculous that all these Obama supporters are claiming foul when for the last 6 months their whole mantra has been -- don't vote for Hillary, the Republicans will have a field day with her. What a bunch of hypocrites.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:23:35 GMT

Ace:

Let's look up disingenuous in the thesaurus, shall we?

Main Entry: disingenuous
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: insincere
Synonyms: artful, cunning, deceitful, designing, dishonest, duplicitous, false, feigned, foxy, guileful, indirect, insidious, left-handed, oblique, shifty*, sly, tricky, two-faced*, uncandid, underhanded, unfair, unfrank, wily

No, he didn't say the word liar or the word untruthful. But it's as clear as day that is what the word disingenuous stands for. Deceitful? Dishonest? Duplicituous?

Now, how exactly does that have a totally different meaning from "untruthful"?

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Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:38:15 GMT

raf, you have just hit the nail on the head...for months Obama and Edwards have been calling Hillary a liar and as you say stating that she is devisive and cannot be elected, they have had the MSM, especially MSNBC and FOX repeating those lines for them over and over, all the republicans have taken shots at her...and they try to 'castrate' her by saying that if she attacks back or stands up for herself it backfires or doesn't look good...the anti-Hillary crowd wants it both ways...you have Joe Trippi quoted as saying, "they are going to kick her ---!" and everyone attacking her and she's supposed to just stand there...sorry, she's a 21st century woman and she is going to stand up for herself and fight back...I find it very ironic that the only people using the 'gender card' are the men

and you are correct, for someone so offended, Barak didn't waste any time finding a way to capitalize on the issue

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Gary, Franklin, WI — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:21:15 GMT

Obama couldn't be so offended if he plans to call on Sen. Clinton for help once in office, or was that also a lie?

Edwards does best versus all Republicants in head-to-head polls. I thought winning was the objective . . .

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Shotti Kawlra, Potomac, MD. — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:22:35 GMT

I fail to understand the lovefest between Obama and the media. I wish the media asks tough question from all the candidates not just from Hillary.

If Obama smoked cocaine, there is nothing wrong in discussing that. Admitting in a book written many years ago does not justify the wrongdoing. There are millions of college age kids who do not smoke cocaine, but those who do smoke must realize that there are consequences and not rewards. Just like being a C student is not something to brag about Mr. Bush, but smoking dope? come ooon! When Bill Clinton said he did not inhale, the media after 15 years untill this day has not stopped ridiculing that. But heaven's forbid, if someone talks about cocaine user Obama. I think media and particularly the debate moderators have totally failed to do their job.

Whether Obama was a muslim or not, that should not matter. After all the newly elected governor of Luisiana, Bobby Jindal converted from Hinduism to Chritianity and he openly admitted it. Once again such issues should be openely discussed without prejudice.

We must understand that all the canidates are politicians too. None of them is holier than thou, not Obama, not McCain, not even Biden for whom I have great admiration. Obama was lucky enough to find Edwards to do most of his dirty work. Yet if we recall it was Obama and Edwards and not Hillary who ran the negative campaign until Vegas debate. In fact they don't seem to miss an opportunity even today, but if someone from Hillary's campaign said something negative, the entire media goes after them. Some fairness! Alas, there are no more debates.

I truly do not want the media to choose the presidents for us. They have done enough harm by helping us choose Bush twice. Look what it did to our nation. Media business is a multitude of big corporations and they are driven to make money like any other corporation and therefore RATING is important to them. I hope I have not offended too many folks.
Shotti

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Shotti Kawlra, Potomac, MD. — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:22:35 GMT

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Shotti Kawlra, Potomac, MD. — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:30:21 GMT

I fail to understand the lovefest between Obama and the media. I wish the media asks tough question from all the candidates not just from Hillary.

If Obama smoked cocaine, there is nothing wrong in discussing that. Admitting in a book written many years ago does not justify the wrongdoing. There are millions of college age kids who do not smoke cocaine, but those who do smoke must realize that there are consequences and not rewards. Just like being a C student is not something to brag about Mr. Bush, but smoking dope? come ooon! MR. OBAMA IS BEING REWRDED FOR SMOKING COCAINE. When Bill Clinton said he did not inhale, the media after 15 years untill this day has not stopped ridiculing him. But heaven's forbid, if someone talks about cocaine user Obama. I think media and particularly the debate moderators have totally failed to do their job.

Whether Obama was a muslim or not, that should not matter. After all the newly elected governor of Luisiana, Bobby Jindal converted from Hinduism to Chritianity and he openly admitted it. Once again such issues should be openely discussed without prejudice.

We must understand that all the canidates are politicians too. None of them is holier than thou, not Obama, not McCain, not even Biden for whom I have great admiration. Obama was lucky enough to find Edwards to do most of his dirty work. Yet if we recall it was Obama and Edwards and not Hillary who ran the negative campaign until Vegas debate. In fact they don't seem to miss an opportunity even today, but if someone from Hillary's campaign said something negative, the entire media goes after them. Some fairness! Alas, there are no more debates.

I truly do not want the media to choose the presidents for us. They have done enough harm by helping us choose Bush twice. Look what it did to our nation. Media business is a multitude of big corporations and they are driven to make money like any other corporation and therefore RATING is important to them. I am still very confident Hillary will win the nomination.
Shotti

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Sean — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:08:02 GMT

Gary-I agree with your first point. I love how Obama bashes the Clinton years - yet uses so many of his advisors.

Your second point, however, I would disagree with. I am always amazed how they put together these head to heads prior to the nomininatio - they aren't terribly accurate.

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Sean — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:09:59 GMT

I am amazed by the amount of people who act so shocked with mudslinging in a campaign....and act that it is new. It isn't going to change.

"Hoping" for it to be differently is a crock.

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Jerome — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:00:41 GMT

I have worked in many campaigns for over 20 years, I assure you that Billy Shaheen's comments were no accident. He was a sacrificial lamb in Hillary's Machiavellian campaign. How much do you want to bet he gets a cushy job in her administration?

Don't ever forget how Hillay Clinton went on 60 minutes and sat there while her husband called Gennifer Flower's claims "false," knowing darn well that wasn't true as we all came to discover years later when he admitted the affair in a deposition. Bill and Hillary Clinton are liars. I am a Democrat but I have had quite enough of the Clintons and I would prefer they just fade away into the sunset. They are single handedly responsible for Al Gore having such a difficult campaign in 2000, resulting in 8 years of George W. Bush. Are we going to allow them to destroy our party again?

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Max Reynolds, Chicago — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:34:40 GMT

I am amazed by the amount of people who act so shocked with mudslinging in a campaign....and act that it is new. It isn't going to change.

-- Sean

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The most shocked is Hillary. She thought she was being coronated. Turns out she's in a dog-fight.

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John Doe, Seattle, Wash — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:46:14 GMT

Ace, perhaps you should check and see how many republican women voted in two different elections for Hillary in New York before you make such statements...in fact, don't be surprised to start seeing signs "Republicans for Clinton" they were there for Bill, and they will be back for Hill...

S (Sent Friday, December 14, 2007 10:59 AM)

S, An N.Y. republican is totally different from a republican from the south or Iowa.