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Timmons, Charleston, SC — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:41:38 GMT

Paul backers that aren't "really Republicans" represent what the Republican party SHOULD be and ONCE WAS, before being completely infiltrated & corrupted by big-goverment, war-mongering neo-cons.

Doesn't really matter though, because they've all registered as Republicans in their respective states in order to vote in this primary. At in least states where that is required, here in SC we don't even have that hurdle to jump.

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Kelley, Greenville, SC — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:42:14 GMT

Although many of Paul's supporters aren't "really Republicans"... a LOT of them have been switching and registering as Republican so they can vote for him in the primaries. Ask yourself... how plausible do you think it is that someone would donate cash to a candidate, and then not vote for him? These people are flying under the radar, and because of that, nobody has a true idea of their impact. We will soon, though.

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Ava — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:44:01 GMT

The people of Iowa aren't stupid and they have been REPULSED by the Clinton's negative campaign. The fact that the DMR gave this endorsement to Clinton after her campaign's horrid behavior over the past 6 weeks, only serves to dilute the meaningfulness of that endorsement and it weakens the credibility of that newspaper.

Besides, Hillary didn't earn the endorsement. Her husband badgered them into giving it to her.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:48:52 GMT

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:49:40 GMT

And Clinton herself was beaming early on in her appearance on TODAY this morning

What gets me it was the exact same people behind her on the Today show and Good Morning America. What was really funny was nobody behind her was really paying attention to her. Almost like she was standing in front of a video screen with a hidden camera on these folks.

Either that or there are a lot of unemployed actors and actresses in Iowa...

I have never seen anybody do so many staged media spots like Hillary Clinton does...

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gregopelika alabama — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:53:11 GMT

hillary clinton will be the president of the united states. thank god . obama what a name sounds like a terriost name . i think he is a muslim terriost

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Larry Thurman, Norman OK — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:54:20 GMT

Six editors on a newspaper pick Clinton, and now everything is all right with Campaign Hillary? That just shows how far down the list Hillary is sitting and why any scrap of good news is celebrated like it was the moon landing.

The people of Iowa are not that stupid to follow around a few guys sitting around a newsroom.

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Robert Constantine — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:54:37 GMT

If being a "real Republican" means supporting GW Bush, endless war, record deficits and loss of liberty...well you're right we're not "real Republicans". We're "real Americans" something that Ron Paul is bringing about from the ranks of Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Libertarians and the formerly apathetic. Do you really think this election is about who is a "Real Republican" or a "Real Democrat"? Get a clue.

As far as the nomination...who's record did Ron Paul just break for Republican fundraising? His own set on 11/05. When pundits say "he can't win" they are the same people who said "he has no money" a few months ago!! President Paul - get used to it!

Google Ron Paul for President 2008 - Decide for yourself don't believe what your television tells you!!!

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Terry — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:54:47 GMT

Ron Paul's quarterly goal was 12 million. No problem - he pulled in half that in one day! Where you at Huckabee?

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Tim, CT — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:55:02 GMT

As a long time Republican, there is only one GOPer who excites me: Ron Paul.

If he’s not the nominee, I’ll probably vote Republican next year, but I won’t lift one finger for any other candidate… not even a lawn sign. I’m sick and tired of the truthiness, war and big government politicians… and that’s basically every D & R running (with some exceptions).

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Andy — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:55:45 GMT

I'm NOT an internet junky. I have a family, I'm a Christian, I've voted Republican all my life and I support Ron Paul. Plus, what about the hundreds and many many times, thousands of people who show up to support him in person? Sound like more than just internet stuff? Oh yeah, what about the signs all over the country, the bumper stickers the tshirts, and the Blimp? All occur outside of cyber-space.

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David Anders Pharr, Tx. — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:01:14 GMT

If Hillary is counting on Cigar Bill the pervert to save her, what will she answer when asked about the theft of whitehouse furniture while the pervert was pardoning drug dealers, criminals, and terrosits who contributed to Bill s Librabry, Hillarys senate race, and thousands to Hillarys brother, which of course she new nothing about. This is about as sleazy as it gets.

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David Anders Pharr, Tx. — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:01:57 GMT

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Shadow, Hamden, CT — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:04:59 GMT

I agree that Obama really needs to finish making the experience case. He needs to point out the following:

1. He has more years in elected office than anyone else out of the top three Republican AND Democratic contenders for President; he has served in elected office for eleven years, which s more more than not only his main Democratic rivals, but also more than Romney, Giuliani, Huckabee, or Thompson.

2. He is the only candidate running with experience at all three levels of government; he has served in elected office at federal and state level in addition to years of grassroots experience at the local level.

3. All in all, his time in elected office, in organizing the grassroots, and in law directly relevant to the Constitution adds up to nearly twenty-five years of experience. Objectively speaking, that compares quite well to Edwards' six years in elected office and Hillary's eight years, plus stints as first lady (as well their years of law work that, although more profitable, did not deal with the Constitution, and thus cannot be considered directly relevant to the Presidency in the same manner).

4. Obama will have had four years in Senate Foreign Relations by the end of 2008, on top of an International Relations major in college, and years unsecluded in a third world country as a child, a priceless experience no US President has had in their past; all that put together compares quite well to the fact that four of our five last Presidents had *zero* foreign policy experience when elected.

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Ron, TX — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:05:25 GMT

The Des Moines Register endorsement really doesn't mean too much at all. They only mimicked the current political situation, which offers no chance for Hillary to offer her change argument. Actually, if anything, it HURTS her because she just recently starting trying to act like she can "change" anything (even though she has LOST all major legislation she's tried, and votes with Republi-crat Lieberman, the McCain endorser, on foreign policy). The Des Moines Register endorsement made it very clear that while Clinton has experience, Obama has change. They did not say one negative thing about Obama. So, in all reality, the endorsement does VERY little to change the situation on the ground in Iowa- people are looking for change.

Looks like the Ron Paul auto-blog-bots are out in full force today.

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Patrick, Huntington Station, NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:05:36 GMT

The negative comments on this post and others are predominately from people living in red states where Hillary never had a chance. Therefore, your shrill, nasty, histrionic, and somewhat manic hatred filled comments, particularly from the Jerry from Corpus Cristi TX, are meaningless and will not change people's minds. So keep it up, guess you dont' have real jobs.

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Ben, Chicago IL — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:05:40 GMT

Considering the very serious scandals the other GOP frontrunners have in their past, I do not see how any of them are electable except Paul. How about you have one of these blog entries on the major scandals plaguing each of the supposed front runners? I'll give you a quick reminder: Romney has the flip-flopping & shady business deals. Besides the adultery (sometimes paid for by NY taxpayers) Rudy has the lack of support from many of the emergency responders from 9/11, the ONLY thing that has propelled him this far. Fred Thompson admitted supplying Nixon with key evidence ahead of time in his impeachment hearings. Huckabee would have AIDS patients treated like it was mideaval times and they had leperacy. McCain lives in a dream world where Americans can walk around many parts of Baghdad without protection.

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T.M. — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:06:26 GMT

If you do nothing else "today", go to Hillary's web site, and check it out.(even if you hate her) hillaryclinton.com

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PulSmasara — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:06:33 GMT

No Thank You Mama - I'm for Obama.

Barack Obama for a better America.

It's time to Rise and Shine again.

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Jesse, Burnsville, MN — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:06:58 GMT

The DMR has received over 900 comments on their Hillary endorsement editorial, with a large marjority of those being against them and her. Although there is nothing scientific about those comments, it does show just how polarizing and divisive Hillary is.

If she gets nominated, you can expect the diviseness to continue, and that will be just between fellow Democrats. She will destroy us.

Obama/Edwards or Edwards/Obama '08

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Nashville_fan — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:10:37 GMT

Out of one side of her mouth, she says she is a "change agent". Out of the other she tells us that "lobbyists are people too." (Can anyone name something that has changed for the better based on Senator Clinton's involvement?)

Out of one side of her mouth she tells us that negative campaigning is bad for the Democratic Party. Out of the other side she calls her oppponent a drug dealer.

Out of one side of her mouth she tells us that she has "strength and experience". Out of the other side of her mouth she runs on her husband's strengths and experiences.

Out of one side of her mouth she says she is against war. Out of the other side of her mouth she says she supports "agressive diplomacy".

From healthcare (mudsling and mandates indeed), to character (brother-in-laws and elementary teachers), to email attacks (Muslim smear), the Clinton campaign has demonstrated time and again that the true slogan of her campaign is "By Any Means Necessary".

I respect Senator Clinton woman to woman, human to human. It is good to know that major polical party has a woman as the frontrunner for their nomination. But even so, if the campaign she is running is any indication of her management style, then I for one am not looking forward to being one of her loyal subjects.

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Christopher Thurow Sr — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:11:39 GMT

"at least online...." Where do you think all of these Ron Paul supporters live? On somebody's hard drive?

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Lisa Fenwick, Gulf Shores, AL — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:12:21 GMT

I love how anytime Guiliani or Hillary go to the bathroom or eat a damn donut every news station in America is all over that.
Yet when the "Least Likley to Win" Canidate pulls off making $6.4 million dollars IN A DAY FROM PERSONAL DONATIONS ONLY (which actually beats Hillary's unverified 6.2 million dollar in a day fundraiser, AND Kerry's $5.7 million in a day, PLUS PAULS OWN ONLINE $4.2 MILLION IN ONE DAY!) There's only a teeny tiny blurb about it.

Pathetic. You people DO realize that this is America right? You grew up here, and decided to be reporters. Stop being biased. It's one of the principal rules when you become a REPORTER. YOU REPORT NEWS! REPORT THE TRUTH UNBIASED!

Do your jobs. Stop acting like everything American Citizens are doing is a joke. It's not YOUR job to pick the president for the entire country, It's EVERYONE's JOB!

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Jason, Chicago, IL — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:15:51 GMT

I am amazed by the lack of Ron Paul coverage in the MSM. Here the guy sets an all-time fundraising record, and there is no mention other than buried in First Read. The establishment is scared, no question about it. There's too much money at stake if he wins (military-industrial complex).

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Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:16:53 GMT

As we near the 'Great Iowa Wrestle-Off', I am truly warmed by the cheery discourse on this blog. Remember, the dress of choice for our January Election Day is either a Hawkeye, Cyclone, or Panther Singlet. You can be sure that the Majority of those who choose the correct Singlet, will have their wishes come true, with the winner of their choice. So be sure and dress accordingly, and clear all the furniture out of the living room.

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:17:00 GMT

I want to know more about the motivations behind the DMR endorsement of Hillary. It really makes no sense. This is a progressive editorial board and Hillary represents a campaign that is anything but progressive. There's something that suggests a motivation by gender because this claim about her vast experience is just not backed up by fact. The demonstrations of her experience have, to this date, been failures, i.e. health care and her votes sustaining Bush's war effort in the Middle East, so one certainly cannot point to the benefits of experience in her case. In addition she is the least electable of the Democratic candidates and the one who, if she were to become the president, would meet the most head wind in attempting to push through a Democratic agenda. As I say, although everyone is entitled to their opinion, this endorsement would seem to go against the grain. I'm sure that Iowan voters will have the good sense to see this endorsement for what it is worth.
Obama '08

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Rachel Farer, Newark, DE — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:17:45 GMT

Ron Paul Republicans might just be the new face of the Republican Party.

George W. Bush promised in 2000 to be fiscally responsible and to not get us caught up in nation building. As President he has doubled the national debt and gotten us entangled in nation building efforts no one besides our troops are committed to winning. If we as a nation are not willing to sacrifice and instead expect only our troops to sacrifice, we do not belong in any wars.

Conservatives value small government and freedom, including free markets and free enterprise. George Bush, Giuliani, etc. would sacrifice American Values to gain a little security. A 5 mph speed limit would save lives too, but true Americans don't want that either.

Those who are sacrificing our freedoms for negligible gains in security are aiding and abetting the terrorists. The media knows the Democrats are likely to win next year and they are afraid of adverse legislation if they give a real alternative his fair share of coverage.

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Mariann Pepitone — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:21:59 GMT

All you Hillary hater's are going to cry in your beer when she wins the nomination for president. Americans would be crazy to vote a muslim in the white house for president and I mean Obama. I am glad that finally came out in the open. Of course, this generation doesn't care because many of them are on booze and drugs like he was at one time so it would be meaningless to them. Even if Obama wins Iowa and New Hampshire, big deal, he will not win the majority of the bigger states which I believe Hillary is going to win. If I was Hillary I would have skipped Iowa like Bill Clinton did. He lost in New Hampshire but won the presidency without those tiny states. So they are meanlingless to begin with. They don't even count. She wasted her valuable time campaigning there. She should have been campaigning in California, Arizona, Texas and Oklahoma and skip the small one's because they are a drop in the bucket. John McCain is too old to be running for president and Ron Paul is going nowhere even with his donations. It will be Hillary and Giuliani at the end.

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T.M. — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:22:47 GMT

Just a reminder if you do, nothing else today, go to.. hillaryclinton.com (even if you hate her)

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Real Democrat, CA — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:25:02 GMT

It's quite interesting to see the Clinton campaign spin the DMR endorsement as a validation of her campaign. But the MSM fails to mention that the DMR has endorsed candidates- for the past 20 years- who have not won the nomination. Why doesn't the MSM report on the Boston Globe's endorsement of Obama with the same zeal?

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Leye, Richmond, Va — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:25:55 GMT

I can see that there is a lot of Hillary hatred here. The fact is no matter what she does, you guys will continue to criticize her. Some of you should just listen to your arguments. They are so pathetic. You complained that she was too cold and calculating.Then when she tried to be warmer, people complained that she was pretending. Can she ever do anything to appease you people?
To be honest, the press has been harder on her than they have been on Obama. They have allowed Obama to get away with some things that they would criticize Hillary for.
I think people just need to be objective in their selection. Have an open mind towards all the candidates and consider their positions objectively. That will be the best and most honest way to select a candidate.

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Mary Anne, Potomac, MD — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:26:22 GMT

Chuck Todd - Just saw you on MSNBC dismissing Contessa Brewer's accurate statement that the Des Moines Register has a really terrible record - and by inference - little influence - in helping to determine who the ultimate winner will be on the Democratic side in the Iowa caucuses. How can you claim that they are so influential when they did not pick Kerry, who shot up from a distant third to win in 2004? They chose Bill Bradley in 2000 and Gore clobbered him. They chose Paul Simon in 1988 and Dick Gephardt won. What gives? Edwards came in second in 2004 - but if the endorsement was that crucial, why was it Kerry who rose so dramatically? I have always thought you were a "straight shooter" - but you have disappointed me greatly today. The Register's track record is terrible - and you should acknowledge that. The Boston Globe is much more historically relevant and accurate in their endorsements. You should clarify that in your future appearances, or you will lose all credibility with your viewers.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:27:10 GMT

Paul has raised over 18 MILLION this quarter and will surely hit twenty mil by Jan. 1st. Is there any other republican who'll even come close?
What a shattered party; Huckabee is surging, but he has NO organization and NO money. Mitt has money AND a strong organization, but his early primary strategy has been ruined by Huck's rise, and he polls 4th in the nationals and doesn't even register in some states. Rudy's souffle has fallen to where he even trails in FLORIDA, which was supposed to be his big win. McCain (Who I think would be the toughest republican to beat) has racked up the endorsements, and has returned to his, "straight talk:", persona, has a shaky constituency in the republican party and empty pockets. Fred? Fred's still running, er, jogging...walking, settin'? I dunno, he's still around anyway. Paul has more money than supporters, according to every non-internet poll, and no interest in a 3rd party run. Bloomberg and Arnold (Reminding me of Arnold and Danny DeVito in "Twins") are pictured together and rumored to be contemplating something, maybe Twins 2-the election?
It's like a claiming race where all the horses are partly lame and no one knows if anyone will want to buy the winner. No wonder republicans spend so much time commenting on the dems, it's a lot less confusing, and a lot less painful...:)

Go Ron Paul! Wherever you're going...

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Jeff Chicago, IL — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:27:17 GMT

The people I have ever voted for have had a R next to their name and I'm a Ron Paul supporter but I guess I'm not a real Republican and I only live on the internet. What is unconservative about limited government?

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Pat, Huntington NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:32:17 GMT

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Steve Mac, Cherry Hill, NJ — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:34:41 GMT

Fact check me on this one, please. Re: the Obama experience issue in the general election, he served what, six years in the state Senate plus will be finishing his fourth year in the US Senate by the time the General comes around. The sainted Republican icon Ronald Reagan had a grand total of four years are governor as his elected official experience unless you include his Hollywood union time right? I'd say Obama wins that comparison. Ohter experience? Education: Eureka College vs. Columbia & Harvard Law. Work: Hollywood actor vs. community organizer & civil rights attorney--a little more of the people and real worldly if you ask me.

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Larry W Elkview, WV — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:35:04 GMT

Over 200 republicans in West Virginia have registered to be delegates for Ron Paul in our state's convention, we have the highest # of declared delegates running, and 3rd in guaranteed delegates. It's more than just the internet, it's more than just NH.

Close to 60,000 donors yesterday, and over 20,000 new donors. Going around 150,000 donors this quarter alone.

Over 75,000 activists on meetup.

And now we have a blimp.

Let the Revolution begin!

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Ben — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:37:43 GMT

Mitchell:
I agree that there is something motivating the DMR nod to Hillary Clinton, but I think it goes further than a gender issue. The DMR is owned by Gannett Corporation, and there is a former member of the Clinton administration on the Board of Directors.

Its another indication of the force of old school politics behind the Clinton campaign. For the DMR to endorse Hillary due to "experience", when they could have chosen Biden, Dodd or Richardson with that argument, indicates that there is something more going on beneath the surface.

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Nashville_fan — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:39:42 GMT

Mariann Pepitone wrote:

"All you Hillary hater's are going to cry in your beer when she wins the nomination for president. Americans would be crazy to vote a muslim in the white house for president and I mean Obama. "

Ah, you do the Clinton campaign proud by continuing to spread the "Obama is a muslim" lie throughout cyberspace - will you be the next to "resign" or are you up for a promotion? Hard to tell . . .

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Terry — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:40:07 GMT

If they call themselves republicans, , give money to a republican, and vote republican, are they republicans?

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Ann J Utica NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:40:46 GMT

I heard from somewhere. I think it was on one of the Sunday morning shows. The editoral board of the DMR is mostly women.

PS - I like Obama

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Sierra, SF — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:41:31 GMT

The Democrats have a choice between hope and fear
A choice between the future and the past

Obama speaks to our hopes and aspirations

Hillary Clinton is a traveling scandal waiting for the next 'disclosure'...... Norman Hsu, Peter Paul, Chinese-American dishwashers and earmarks for campaign contributors....

Hillary says the 'fun' is beginning.....
and promptly has her campaign smear Obama...

All just a coincidence ?
Obama is a Muslim emails (see the 'gregopelika alabama' post above ?
Shaheen and then Mark Penn on Hardball (AFTER Hillary's apology) ?

Sorry, that's the Clinton's Republican tactics

The Democratic party is better than that....

Obama/Edwards '08
Honesty, Integrity, Reform

TURN THE PAGE

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:42:16 GMT

"..... for Obama, he does need to answer where the Des Moines Register editorial says he comes up short: experience. He's made the change case obviously, or the Clinton camp wouldn't be retooling so much. But he needs to close the experience gap, just a little..."Posted: Monday, December 17, 2007 9:29 AM by Domenico Montanaro
Filed Under: First Thoughts, 2008
From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro

No, he needs to close that gap A LOT.
Obama-Rama-Ding-Dongs are trying to sell you on the idea that 9 years worth of STATE legislative experience is equal to, or worth more than Hillary's 7 years in The United States Senate during the most tulmultuous period in our country's history.
As Alex Trebeck from 'Jeapordy' would say; "noooooo, sorry."
The "he passed healthcare reform" LIE has been exposed too.
Illinois' "Healthcare Justice Act" of 2004 did little more then establish study groups, and task forces, at taxpayers' expense. The findings, and final reports from some of those groups weren't even due until just this past summer.
For me the two issues which strike the deepest chord are; a) who has the best leadership qualifications, and b) which candidate truly represents traditional Democratic morals, idealogy, and doctrine.
Obama availed himself to the 1990's mantra of the Republican party, "I hate the Clinton's, and you should too."
The "independents" (who contributed to the 2000 Presidential election mess and who steadfastly work each election cycle to ensure a G.O.P. victory), along with Conservative Hate Speak Radio Personalities are talking him up fervantly.
Therefore, it cannot be said that Obama represents traditional Democratic issues and agendas.
Some may call that "partisanship."
I say "partisanship" is fine because when people of like ideology band together, thaht's how majorities are formed.
Furthermore, I really don't want "independents" dictating to me who my party's nominee should be.
Finally, Hillary has proven her leadership capabilities time after time. Most recently she did so by working to get 911 victim status and benefits for workers at "ground zero" who suffer from serious lung ailments as a result of their cleanup efforts at The Former WTC site. She is an old-time Democrat who can galvanize support from within the centrist, liberal, and conservative wings of The Democratic Party, and that's exactly what we need. We don't need to placate to independents, we need to reach out to our own base.

If you believe in Democracy, Then VOTE DEMOCRATIC!
HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT 2008! ***Experience Counts***

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Ron, TX — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:43:04 GMT

Sen. Clinton's campaign is finally getting a clue by focusing more on Hillary the person, her background, and connecting it to the real current needs of the middle class and working poor. For example, I learned today she worked for years with the Children's Defense Fund, and literally visited many homes where children needed an advocate for education, etc. She does, indeed have the experience. By focusing on her background like this, it makes her more human. I say you go girl!
Pat, Huntington NY (Sent Monday, December 17, 2007 10:32 AM)

Is that the kind of experience Clinton is claiming? Because Barack Obama was a community organizer in the slums of Chicago. I think that's a little more rough than doing child-based pro-bono once a month for a big corporate law firm she only got hired at because her husband hooked you up.

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Dante — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:45:33 GMT

Hillary Clinton as President? LOL. What's next? President McGovern and President Mondale? She's would be the most unelectable candidate the
One blogger from the DMR wrote:

"Democrats have put up since those two peaches. Some have wondered why the Register's circulation numbers have been dropping for years. This endorsement tells us why...this isn't the 90's anymore, whether its politics or selling newspapers."

Classic!!

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vanreuter, NY NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:45:41 GMT

I see there is still whining and crying by some because they didn't get their way with the coveted DMR endorsement. Sore loser comes to mind. Sour grapes too.
The DMR did a great piece on the selection process.

http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071215/NEWS/71215020/-1/NEWS04

Which should be required reading for everyone as a, "how to", to making your own decision.

Do any of you think you have been more thorough then they? Do you think you've been more objective, or strove for objectivity more than they?

It was to be expected that those who felt that the nod was their entitlement would be angry at and would now grasp at any rationale to shoot the messenger, but the reality is that the little newspaper did their due dilligence and the best choice in their considered opinion is Hillary.

I know that anyone who really looks at every aspect of
what the candidates have to offer, what chance they have of winning, how they'll govern, how prepared they are to face the tough choices of the coming years, what's in their HEART, would reach the same conclusion.

Van

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disgusted — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:46:03 GMT

Barack Obama said:

"Probably the strongest experience I have in foreign reltions is the fact that I spent four years living overseas as a child in southeast Asia."

Joe Biden said it all when he said that Barack Obama was right. That is probably his strongest foreign policy experience.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:47:17 GMT

I am cracking up at the scramble to smear the DMR for their endorsement by the supporters of the man who just yesterday decried this kind of politics...

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Audacious Enough to Hope, Bennington County, VT — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:47:58 GMT

The "DM Register" endorsement is worth about as much, and thanks to "Cactus Jack" Garner on the Vice-Presidency, as a "pitcher of warm spit". Seriously, the last nominee this "rag" picked was Mondale in 1984 and we all know what happend to him.

Both Clintons continue to "buffalo" the American people with a bunch of b.s. while the rest of the candidates talk about issues. Cinton's "experience" issue is a sham. 6+ years in elective office, the one job she gets in Bill's first term, health care, crashes and burns. Oh, by the way Bill had no, repeat no, international experience at all when he took over. Biden has decades, Obama's served on the Foreign Relations Committee as well. Dodd was in the Peace Corps and Edwards, well maybe I'd better not go into John's foreign experience or lack of same.

It's also not about experience, it's about judgement. Clinton brought us a mandated health plan once and is trying it again just like Romney's Massachusetts fiasco, where a couple of hundred thousand have opted out. How do you get the funds, Hillary? Garnish wages, put liens on property, deny care to those who don't shell out hard earned dollars to private insurance companies? Pray tell us!

Gave Bush a blank check on Iran and now Iraq. Tell us about that non-existant nuclear weapons program, Hillary. She just hasn't a clue. On top of that we get "loose cannon" campaign staffers sending false e-mails, her NH Chair, Bombastic Billy Shaheen, falsely claiming that Obama may have sold drugs, 3 staffers posts and access thrown off "Blue Hampshire",
a leading liberal Democratic site, Norman Hsu, Asian dishwashers who are not only not registered to vote, but have no known addresses. Add to all this her big Mississippi buddy, Dickie Scruggs, whose "Hillary" fund raiser got cancelled because he's facing a federal judge bribing charge. When is enough enough?

The Democrats have great candidates in Obama, Biden, Dodd and Edwards as well, if he'd stop the "class warfare" nonsense. Any of them would bring integrity, intelligence, honesty, straighforwardness and, above all, sound judgement back to the Oval Office. The question was asked about George Bush, "How Dumb Is Too Dumb?" I pose that same questions to those voters who want a repeat of the 90's and more "politics as usual". A vote for Clinton is a vote for gridlock, the status quo and another three ring circus. America and the world can't affort that. Clinton's best service to us, and she is very good at it, is junior Senator from New York state. Millions of us hope that the American voter sees the wisdom in keeping her just where she is.

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mark elgin il — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:47:59 GMT

thank god for all you smart people i hope you have a horse in the barn to get to work and matra as some steam engines left over from the old days good thing he have coal mine we can reopen.

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Mike G., Arlington, Va — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:48:20 GMT

"But there is clearly excitement -- at least online -- about one of the Republican candidates."

You do realize that "online" people are real people, correct? And you have seen returns from straw polls? And maybe you've seen the Ron Paul banners and yard signs and buttons and stickers on real clothing on real people?

Please stop trying to trivialize Ron Paul's base.

"The problem for the GOP is Paul won’t likely be its nominee."

This is a self-fulfilling prophecy. You can thank your own coverage for part of that.

"And many of these Paul backers aren’t really Republicans…"

Way to grasp at straws. The fact that Ron Paul is drawing people TO the Republican Party at a time when the barometer has clearly shifted leftward, when the some of the media-ordained "top-tier" GOP candidates are flip-flopping liberal governors, should be an indicator of Paul's appeal and of his success! And it should not be used as a reason to discount him, which First Read seems hell-bent on doing.

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Terry — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:51:00 GMT

Hath not a Ron Paul Republican eyes? Hath not a Ron Paul Republican hands, organs,
dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with
the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject
to the same diseases, heal'd by the same means,
warm'd and cool'd by the same winter and summer
as a Republican is? If you prick us, do we not bleed?
If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us,
do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that.
If a Ron Paul Republican wrong a Republican, what is his humility?
Revenge. If a Republican wrong a Ron Paul Republican, what should his
sufferance be by Republican example? Why, revenge.
The villainy you teach me, I will execute,
and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction.

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Gerald — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:52:36 GMT

Obama said that he would meet UNCONDITIONALLY with enemies of the USA during his first year as president.

No matter how you spin it, that is very very naive and shows inexperience.

Meeting with our enemies is NOT new. It's called diplomacy. But what is new is the UNCONDITIONALLY.

Barack made that mistake way back in the debates and looked inexperienced and naive. His campaign has been trying to spin it ever since.

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Hillary is Bush in disguise — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:54:54 GMT

David Gregory made Hitlery look like ahigh school debater this morning on the Today show. As usuall Hitlery went out of her way to avoid answering any questions. With 8 out of 9 women on the editorial board, who id u thing they were going to endorse..

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Sierra, SF — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:56:08 GMT

From the NY Times:

DUNLAP, Iowa — When Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign advisers laid out their new political strategy in a private conference call with allies last Tuesday, Bill Clinton was not on the line. He did not need to be. The message being delivered was his....'

Hillary can't run her OWN campaign ?
I thought she was a 'strong leader' ?
Maybe the 'old political strategy' failed...

'...A day earlier, Mr. Clinton had unveiled the campaign’s new talking points at rallies in Iowa. His wife was “a change agent,” “a proven agent of positive change” and “a lifetime advocate of a change agenda.”

The “change, change, change” phrase, as some advisers call it, was coined by Mr. Clinton after he told campaign officials that the old strategy of running like an incumbent front-runner was not enough, advisers said. The Clintons had to wrest the message of change from Senator Barack Obama....'

Is Hillary Clinton a 'reformer with results' ?
Just like George Bush ?

WHAT CHANGE has Hillary accmomlished ?
WHAT CHANGE has Hillary championed ?

'...On the conference call, the campaign’s chief strategist, Mark Penn, reinforced the idea. “Let me go through the basic message frame,” he said; a reporter was given access to the call by two participants on it. “If you want to have change in this country, if you want a new beginning, then how about electing someone who has a lifetime of making change?”....'

WHAT CHANGE ?
What has Hillary accomplished ?
Getting us into war with Iraq ?
Supporting the war ?
Supporting war with Iran ?
Smearing her follow contenders ?

Hillary has changed herself from 'inevitable' to a gutter fighting also ran.....
I understand that Hillary is now using all her resources on the January contests.....
Sounds desperate

NO MORE GUTTER POLITICS !
THROW THE BUMS OUT !
DON'T BRING THE BUMS BACK !
TURN THE PAGE !

Obama/Edwards '08

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Hum — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:56:41 GMT

Barak Obama suggested last Friday that the US might one day have to launch surgical missle strikes into Iran and Pakistan to keep extremist from getting control of nuclear bombs

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David Anders Pharr, Tx. — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:58:06 GMT

All you Clinton supporters, scroll up and read my post, then go look in the mirror, the truth hurts, and its all facts.

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Hum — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:59:22 GMT

He said that violent extremists are a vastlky different brand of foe than was the Soviet Union during the Cold War and they must be treated diffferently.

Who said that----DICK CHENEY

No, it was Barack Obama

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Lyn,MD — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:00:34 GMT

I noticed you guys didn't bother to mention in the Globe endorsement of Obama that they stated they didn't chose Hillary because she was "divisive and backward looking"

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vanreuter, NY NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:00:36 GMT

Monday, December 17, 2007

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows Hillary Clinton reaching the 40% level of support nationwide for the second consecutive day… and just the second time in December.

In the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, it’s Clinton 40%, Barack Obama 27% and John Edwards 13%. Bill Richardson and Joe Biden are each supported by 3% of Likely Democratic Primary Voters. (see recent daily numbers)."

Clinton is viewed favorably by 82% of Democratic voters, Edwards by 72%, and Obama by 66%.

Among all voters nationwide, Obama is viewed favorably by 48%, Clinton and Edwards by 47%. See other key stats and general election match-ups for all Democratic candidates."

Did Barack peak too soon? Clinton leads, 82-66% among democrats.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

For Obama fans; I have already posted the links to all the polls, where Barack does lead in some. I'll post that link here again;
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

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Nashville_fan — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:00:46 GMT

Gerald - if we meet unconditionally with our enemies, what is going to happen? Is the sky going to fall? Is the earth going to open and swallow us all up?

Maybe we should talk to people instead of making stuff up about them and blowing their countries up, only to find out later that we were mistaken. Just a thought.

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Mark Harris — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:01:06 GMT

I'm a republican and have been for over 15 years. I voted for Bush the previous two elections. I am a huge Ron Paul supporter.

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Jenice — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:01:36 GMT

Bill Clinton knows Barack Obama has more than a decade of publicly elected government experience. He knows Barack Obama has a law degree from Harvard and taught Constitutional Law. He knows in the US Senate Barack Obama wrote laws to track tax dollars. He knows Barack Obama is a member of the Foreign Relations Committee and the Veterans' Affairs Committee. Bill Clinton knows Barack Obama is highly qualified to be President- yet he told Rose that 'any good broadcaster' was just as competent, minus a year in Washington. Bill Clinton had NO Washington experience when he ran for President. Mr. Clinton,I'm tired of politicians who lie-with you and Hillary in the White House, it will just be more of the same slick devious devisive, tactical politics. My vote goes to Barack Obama. And by the way, Mr. Clinton, I have just donated to Obama's campaign in honor of your little escapade.

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Ava — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:02:56 GMT

RE: DMR Endorsement of Clinton

As of right now, the DMR has received 948 comments on its endorsement of Clinton - most of them NEGATIVE.

Here's the link:
http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071215/NEWS/71215018/1001

It seems that Hillary won't be benefiting from that endorsement as much as she thought.

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Dante — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:03:08 GMT

Gerald (Sent Monday, December 17, 2007 10:52 AM)

Please show me where he said this "unconditionally", I don't remember that quote. Don't distort the truth to make a point, you will find that the truth goes over way smoother!!

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Hum — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:03:49 GMT

I'm a Christian. And so although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my policial views on this issue, I do believe thta tradition and my religious belief sday that marriage is something between a man and a woman.

Republican talking point---which Republican said that?

None, it was Democratic candidate Barack Obama

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katharine American in Norway — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:04:09 GMT

Hillary's endorsement by the DMR is tantamount to a doctor putting the patient on life support: Obama doesn't need it- he is very much alive and breathing on his own! The Clintons have obviously decided their last ditch effort will be the experience card- this too will fail: The Clintons know Barack Obama has more than a decade of publicly elected government experience at every level including 3 years now in Washinton. They know he has been serving people in America for over 20 years. They know Barack Obama has a law degree from Harvard and has taught Constitutional Law. They know that in Illinois Barack Obama passed legislation that gave $100 million in tax cuts to families across the state and pushed through an expansion of early childhood education. The Clintons know that in the US Senate Barack Obama is known as the 'go to'guy if you want to get something done accross party lines. They know Barack Obama wrote a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent. They know Barack Obama is a member of the Foreign Relations Committee and the Veterans' Affairs Committee. They know Barack Obama is highly qualified to be President- for them to pretend that Barack Obama is inexperienced or to go on national TV claiming Obama has just one more year experience than a 'good broadcaster', as Bill Clinton implied on Charlie Rose, only shows how really desperate they are and how low they are willing to go, even to lying, to win the White House. Bill Clinton had NO Washington experience when he ran for President. Now he has shown just what tactics he is willing to sink to. I'm tired of politicians who lie. No, Bill, we need real change, and your interview with Charlie Rose, and Hillary's on the Today show,have proven that with you and Hillary in the White House, it will just be more of the same slick, devious, devisive, tactical politics. My vote goes to Barack Obama.

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redshift, spokane wa — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:08:15 GMT

has anybody thought of this? karl rove didn't just quit to go sit on the beach. dick cheney didn't just disappear from view to go play golf. they and their ilk have a plan. big media = big business. big business = republicans. overall clinton would wipe the field of any republican. get rid of clinton. media steps in. treat obama with kid gloves. disparage anything and everything clinton, even her laugh. democrats being democrats think with their hearts and not their heads. obama gets the nom. press is unleashed and tear obama a new one. republicans destroy him in national debates. guess what? repub prez. smart huh?

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--NSMSNBC — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:11:48 GMT

"All you Hillary hater's are going to cry in your beer ..."
Mariann Pepitone (Sent Monday, December 17, 2007 10:21 AM)
--No, we'll need something much stronger. Actually, since the H.R. Clinton opposition is supposedly the NPR-listening, cheese-eating, wine-drinking crowd ... I think you have your answer.

Good for H.R. Clinton on her Register endorsement and Obama on the Boston Globe. Big name endorsements are much needed to jumpstart the struggling Clinton campaign, so it is good news for her. The Register also said some very nice things about Obama, too. Mainly that he says what he means and means what he says, te-he Dr. Seuss, among other kind words. Anyway, it was interesting to learn the criteria for the endorsement, not to minimize the endorsement, but the criteria was objective, not emotional, they did it right. I don't know, I vote with both my mind and my heart.

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lizzie AL — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:13:21 GMT

Coal mines all over PA are still open doofus.

Coal is still used today.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:14:07 GMT

I noticed you guys didn't bother to mention in the Globe endorsement of Obama that they stated they didn't chose Hillary because she was "divisive and backward looking"

Because it isn't worth mentioning. This is though...

"The job requires a president who not only understands the changes needed to move the country forward but also possesses the discipline and skill to navigate the reality of the resistant Washington power structure to get things done.That candidate is New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton."

I like this too...

"Indeed, Obama, her chief rival, inspired our imaginations. But it was Clinton who inspired our confidence. Each time we met, she impressed us with her knowledge and her competence.

The times demand results. We believe as president she’ll do what she’s always done in her life: Throw herself into the job and work hard. We believe Hillary Rodham Clinton can do great things for our country."

They're right, and all the sour grapes and attacks in the world won't change that.

Barack Obama is a fine man and will be a force in American politics for many years to come. But a part-time job in the Illinois state senate is not adequate preparation for the toughest job in the world. That's my main reason for not being able to support his candidacy. She inspires my confidence, Senator Obama doesn't.

Van

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Crystal (Time for change) — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:15:32 GMT

This is classic:

Bill Clinton's own words describing Barack Obama, this is the best video yet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMlrSG1xb5k

Obama 08

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vanreuter, NY NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:16:26 GMT

It seems that Hillary won't be benefiting from that endorsement as much as she thought.

Ava (Sent Monday, December 17, 2007 11:02 AM)

Let's add wishful thinking to those sour grapes. lol

Van

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annienyc — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:19:22 GMT

Obama supporters are the most hateful people! sheesh! She's a democrat, if his ideas are better just speak on it and stop acting like such animals. I don't hear edwards supporters acting this rabid. Stop sounding like republicans, please!

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Freeman Female, Dallas, TX — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:24:44 GMT

The Des Moines Register represents NINE votes.

We have had over 900 comments from people who took the time to become a registered user on DMR and to make a comment. The overwhelming majority have made the most negative comments against the DMR and against Hillary. The comments with the most recommendations are the ones against Hillary also.

I think a 10 to 1 ration running against the DMR shows that the newspaper will keep its current history of picking the wrong candidate to endorse and to win. I think it will be anybody but Clinton to win Iowa. I don't think her new Iowa and media tour will change people's minds. If she was so confident of the endorsement she would not be traveling at this frenzied pace.

See the comments for yourself and come to the same conclusion.

https://secure.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/pc/1/en/ep?_promoCode=6628&_IATAno=99609403&cm_mmc=DCE-_-PCHR121207-_-USEN-_-WNT08D

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Jane, Cary, NC — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:26:49 GMT

Experience -

Hillary Clinton - First Lady 8 yrs
U.S. Senator 7 yrs

Barack Obama - Illinois State Senator - 8 yrs
U.S. Senator 3 years

Abraham Lincoln - Illinois State Legislator- 8 yrs
U.S. Representative - 2 yrs

Thank goodness pundits didn't persuade people in 1860 that Lincoln didn't have enough experience!

Go Obama!!

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Richard in Idaho — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:31:23 GMT

I would love to see Hillery and Ron Paul get the nominations. In the debates that would follow, I'd be curious how Hillary would discuss such topics as Austrian economics, or if she would continue to foist the pandering platitudes. I think that only this match-up could assure a Ron Paul win.

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Jo, CA — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:32:03 GMT

I find it funny that people always think Hillary's the most experienced candidate running in her party with people like Joe Biden running, she hasn't been a senator all that long and I don't think her time as first lady counts for very much. I'm married to a surgeon. I go with him to conferences, I talk to other surgeons, I've even watched him do surgery before. Does that qualify me to be a surgeon? Any takers? Didn't think so. Anyway, I wouldn't put too much stock into these polls. Someone called to poll me the other night and they didn't even have Ron Paul listed as a possible candidate, nor had the pollster even ever heard of Ron Paul. Yet we all sent him this money and when I went to drive my kids to school this morning, I saw homemade Ron Paul signs strewn all about town celebrating his big haul yesterday. These were presumably made by real humans with voting priviledges. I wouldn't be surprised if John Edwards won Iowa for the democrats and Ron Paul did a lot better than most people think he's going to.

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Rick,ky — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:34:09 GMT

Van says he gets a laugh out of the responses to the DMR endorsement of his candidate. It's ok Van, we ALL get a big laugh outta your undieing love of the Clinton's. She can't campaign on her record, so she has Bill, go out and LIE for her. Real campaigning there!!!!

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T.M. — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:36:35 GMT

*** STOP *** WHAT YOU ARE DOING, AND VISIT HILLARY'S WEB SIT..hillaryclinton.com (even if you "hate" her)

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vanreuter, NY NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:41:38 GMT

Rick,ky (Sent Monday, December 17, 2007 11:34 AM)

Keep laughing as long as you can...

Van

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Iris, Philadelphia — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:42:54 GMT

This is what the Clintons are experienced at: When Bill behaved badly with women, Hillary rescued him with dirty tricks. Now the tables are turned, and Bill is galloping in to save dirty campaigner Hillary with women voters. Do we really want to be the laughing stock of the world by choosing this sort of marriage of two stooges-in-power? I'll take someone who gained experience outside Washington any day, as Bill Clinton had when he ran initially. Community organizing, that most daunting of challenges, is only successful for people who work well with others. Being a Clinton spouse is not much proof of leadership.

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ace p washington, d.c. — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:45:34 GMT

ben, you make a point that i must admit i agree with. if the issue was experience and being able to perform, why not endorse biden? this guy has the voting record. he has worked across the aisle succesfully on more issues than anyone else in this campaign.

in the washington post he was titled as the foreign policy pro. i don't get it. i really think if popularity was cast aside and the media gave as much attention to this guy along with him having the right campaign funds he would be the first choice of many in the u.s.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:45:48 GMT

Van says he gets a laugh out of the responses to the DMR endorsement...Yes I do and yours is one of the most laughable. Thank you.

You make me laugh, but this makes me smile...

"The choice, then, comes down to preparedness: Who is best prepared to confront the enormous challenges the nation faces — from ending the Iraq war to shoring up America’s middle class to confronting global climate change?

The job requires a president who not only understands the changes needed to move the country forward but also possesses the discipline and skill to navigate the reality of the resistant Washington power structure to get things done.

That candidate is New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton."

Van

Van

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MK,MO — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:50:37 GMT

hillarys sham endorsement by the DMR is just another example of hillarys corrupt demeanor, corrupt lobbyist money talks, it also buys the endorsement of the DMR, why don’t you hillary backers mention the direct connections and payoffs hillary has with the DMR, what a laughable farce

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:51:48 GMT

The job requires a president who not only understands the changes needed to move the country forward but also possesses the discipline and skill to navigate the reality of the resistant Washington power structure to get things done.

That candidate is New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton."

What's she gonna do Van?
Hire a mafia knuckle breaker to go with her to meetings at capitol hill??????

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vanreuter, NY NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:57:12 GMT

It becomes more and more evident that without smears, insults and lame attempts atcharacter assassination, some here would be forced to have to promote the positive qualities of their own choice, and that they find the former much easier.

I am FOR Clinton, but I'm not AGAINST, Obama, Dodd, Biden, Richardson or Edwards. Those of you who do their best/worst to insult me by insulting Clinton do more to insult the movement and "different kind of politics", they purport to represent than they do the targets of their anger and frustrations. As those of the, "Joshua Generation", are wont to say, "Don't be a hater"...

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ace p washington, d.c. — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:00:34 GMT

i said it saturday and i will say it again. the dmr endorsement is big. edwards was in 4th place when he got the endorsement in 2000. he moved up to second place. it might not be the deciding factor to who wins in iowa or the nation, but it is important. hillary needed it after the last 2 weeks. give her props. she won the endorsement. if it had been biden, edwards, obama or richardson. those of us that don't support hillary would ahve been singing praises. it is done. give her her props.

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Rick,ky — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:02:01 GMT

Fortunatly for me Van, i still have a sense of humor after 2 car wrecks disabled me from working over 11 years ago.Your, You Go Girl candidate is the Most Devisive candidate running this time. The American electorate is tired of that crap & proved it in Nov-2006.

" DELUSIONAL THINKING BY COMMON SENSE AMERICAN'S IS OVER"

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Bee, NH — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:06:31 GMT

Folks,

A vote for Hillary is a vote for more of the same; it is a vote for George Bush policy. Why can't Hillary make public her tax return? Why is Hillary and Bill Clinton using tax loop hole to ship money to Cayman Island? Recently, Bill Clinton broke his tie with a Califonia Investment firm that is known for selling tax shelter. I expect media to get on this case.

The Republican Party will have something to run against if Democrats failed to see all Hillary's flaw. Wake up Democrats!!!!!

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:06:32 GMT

".....Abraham Lincoln - Illinois State Legislator- 8 yrs
U.S. Representative - 2 yrs
Thank goodness pundits didn't persuade people in 1860 that Lincoln didn't have enough experience!
Go Obama!!....." Jane, Cary, NC (Sent Monday, December 17, 2007 11:26 AM)

Actually, Lincoln had more experience on the national stage than just his years in State or Federal Government, and he had a specific cause (freedom for slaves) to push for. He was a captain in the Black Hawk War, spent eight years in the Illinois legislature, and rode the circuit of courts for many years.
The debates bewteen him and Douglas catapaulted him to national prominence.
So, there really is no comparison between Lincon and Obama at all.
Realistically speaking of course.

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Steve, Louisiana — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:07:46 GMT

who cares who dmr endorses, or who Lie-berman endorses, or what mccain or giuliani had for breakfast? Go away, contolled media pawns. You're BORING the people. I think most of your readers enjoy the comments/responses much more than the articles - I do. Ron Paul makes the biggest news and nobody prints it, unless it's on the 10th page under the Kotex ad. This is the best you've got?

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FV, Tampa, FL — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:14:57 GMT

The Iowa paper (Des Moines Reg.) merely stated what SHOULD be obvious to all democrats...
That Hillary's experience FAR exceeds Obambam's... and that Hillary has taken GOP lies and BS about her for years and still come out on top.
The GOP will have a field day with Mr. Oprah's past drug (ab)use.. not to mention how that will play in the south amount white southern voters....

Barock supporters keep putting up those stupid signs which read "hope"... but the truth and fact of the matter is that the only HOPE the democrats have of really beating the republicans outright...with a margin to insure getting an override proof majority in Congress is to nominate HILLARY.

She's the ONLY candidate that can solve ALL of America's problems QUICKLY!

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George C, Des Moines, IA — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:18:59 GMT

Anyone who thinks that a vote for Hillary is a vote for more of the same is a blind bat'ed idiot!

More of the same of what?
Peace? Prosperity? Security?

Hillary is the ONLY Dem who can make those things come about QUICKLY!

If that's more of the same... then Gimme MORE! More Hillary!

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J. Merle Stanley Westchester, NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:21:25 GMT

".....Folks,
A vote for Hillary is a vote for more of the same; it is a vote for George Bush policy. Why can't Hillary make public her tax return? Why is Hillary and Bill Clinton using tax loop hole to ship money to Cayman Island? Recently, Bill Clinton broke his tie with a Califonia Investment firm that is known for selling tax shelter. I expect media to get on this case.
The Republican Party will have something to run against if Democrats failed to see all Hillary's flaw. Wake up Democrats!!!!! ....."
Bee, NH (Sent Monday, December 17, 2007 12:06 PM)

I keep hearing how Hillary's running a dirty campaign, and how she represents the status quo with regard to Bush's policies.
But, the only people I see using REPUBLICAN-LIKE smut and smear tactics are Obama supporters.
Hmmmmmm, wonder if Obama will ever explain why he's involved in a land deal with a Federally Indicted Political Racketeer (Antoin Rezko).

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Diane, Horicon, WI — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:31:58 GMT

Hillary Clinton will show that all young girls and women in the U.S can achieve the highest level in our government, the presidency. It will give them higher self-esteem to reach any goals of their choice and make it a fact that it is possible to achieve anything.

I firmly believe Hillary has the experience to repair the deficit, revamp our broken health care system and mend our friendships with countries all over the world.

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Ralph Brown, Detroit, Mi. — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:36:57 GMT

The Republican party is over. There will be a new leader in town, and her name is Hillary. hillaryclinton.com. now please "shut up" and let us get to work.Thank You !

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mort levine wilmington n.c. — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:39:04 GMT

Talk about Spin City,we have Chris" The Twist" Matthews who can twist and spin with the best of them.While real journalists and news outlets were reporting about Hillarys endorsement in Iowa as a lead story,The Twist,and his cadre of rubber stamp, second rate guests barely acknowledged it. Ypu can bet if any one other than Hillary got it,he would have been up on his bully pulpit shouting it to the world.So much for objective reporting,but then again noeone at MSNBC gives her a fair shake.

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virgilh, Las Vegas, NV — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:39:07 GMT

This race is NOT about the first female, the first minority, or even about the attempt to legislate morality. You, as a true American, MUST move past the media hype, the corporate machine, "do your own homework", and stand with the person YOU believe will honestly help Americans and America.
People, we know the issues. We know Americans are dying daily in the war, on the inner city streets, due to cold, due to hunger. We struggle to maintain the standard of living we had last year. We see the Illegals every day taking the job we WILL do, but can't afford to do it for the $40 a day with no benefits that the alien will accept. We know that the trade agreements in place are only beneficial to the wealthy. WE KNOW and LIVE with these issues daily.
Please begin to listen for a person that will stand before us, not reitterate the issues, not try to explain to us what we live every day, but instead give us REAL, and honest direction. Tell us HOW and the action they will take to address these issues. Be direct and very candid.
Give me a "green, female, gay" that will stand in front of me and America, tell me the actions she will take to fix the issues for "average" America, and she will have my vote!!!
Due respect to the fore-runners and media choices, you a long way to go for "average" America.

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ace p washington, d.c. — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:40:32 GMT

this endorsement was alife preserver in iowa. she was risking coming in third. now it is an absolute toss up. no one knows what is going to happen now. they may hope they know, but it is up for grabs. edwards needs to avoid third place. as much as i like him, if he comes in 3rd his matching fund campaign could be the beginning of the end, sadly. he absolutely will not come close in n.h.(just because he is from the south. that is stupid)and he is not doing well in s.c.

joe trippi needs to come up with a new strategy or we are going to lose one of the better candidates to soon. the same goes for joe biden.

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Vote more deception — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:41:25 GMT

Just who wants more conjecture and deception for four more years? Has not the past and the present shown just what you will see in the future. Voting for those who attend self serving agenda, support those who have and do fail this nation as representives in congress. How just a hand full can rule over three hundred millon and of that 71% disagree with their actions and false paper laws!!

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Emily, Bangor, Maine — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:46:06 GMT

Why the hell hasn't anything been posted about Ron Paul raising $6.1 million for his campaign in 24 hours? He now has the record for ALL TYPES OF FUNDS raised in one day, out of all candidates in our country's history, and MSNBC hasn't covered it yet?!?

Seek the truth. Ron Paul 2008.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:46:08 GMT

FV, Tampa.....you are absolutely correct!
The G.O.P., if not the conservative hate speak radio pundits would surely take Lil' Barracky's cocaine admission and "run with it" next year when the real campaigning starts.
I swear, some people have tissue paper for brains when it comes to this stuff. Come on people.....THINK!

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Chuck,San D — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:48:19 GMT

Back to the Clinton Era!

Let's go with experience and not the pandering Obama.
He opened the S. Carolina Oprahfeast with Prasing God...

just what we need, another bushlike god/president

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Hum — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:48:49 GMT

He said that violent extremist are a vastly different brand of foe than was the Soviet Union during the Cold War and they must be treated differently.

Who said that recently? Torture loving Dick Cheney.

Nope...Barak Obama

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Dave Jones, Council Bluffs, Iowa — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:51:51 GMT

Why don't one of the polling companies take a poll on whether newspaper endorsements have any impact on voter opinions. The Des Moines Register speaks for the "elite" of Des Moines and no one else. Their newspaper is barely available around the state and the vast majority of Iowans would have no idea who they "endorsed" were it not for the national media.

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Bee, NH — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:54:41 GMT

If you truly care about transparency in Government, please tell Hillary Clinton to make public her tax return or else she is more like George Bush.

I challenge every Hillary supporters to defend their candidate on why she failed to release her tax return. We want transparency in our government and it is time Hillary stopped acting like George Bush.

A vote for Hillary is a vote for more of the same. It is a vote for government being secretive and a vote for tax shelter in Cayman Island.

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Natalie — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:57:36 GMT

Now that we are in the preliminary stages of the political season, we hear more and more about Senator Barack Obama's lack of “experience” and his readiness to be President. Those who talk about it hope to convince us that prior privilege confers wisdom upon those who have enjoyed it, that others cannot possibly possess.

The fact seems to be that experience alone is never enough, when we are called upon to deal with such weighty matters as government involves. What is more, I think citizens should be suspicious of any candidate whose clearest statements tend to be disparaging remarks about an opponent’s lack of experience.

It has been my observation that experience is the ultimate discriminatory criterion. It is what the guild, or “old-boy network” uses when every other tactic to maintain the status quo seems to be failing.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:58:51 GMT

What's she gonna do Van?
Hire a mafia knuckle breaker to go with her to meetings at capitol hill??????

jerry/corpus christi texas (Sent Monday, December 17, 2007 11:51 AM)

Read the endorsement little Jerry, she's going to clean up the pig-sty your party has turned our country into. lol

You offer nothing and criticize everything. The fact that you have so little to say on any republican thread or about any of your corrupt party's flawed choices, but spend ALL of your time heckling Hillary is clear evidence that you have nothing to be FOR, only against. You are an active negative.

Why do you spend ALL of your time trolling us democrats? Because the republicans all suck as candidates and you want the weakest democrat in the general election, because that's the ONLY chance the republicans have. If you don't think that you're antics are totally transparent, surprise! The only one you're fooling is yourself.

Oh and it's, "leg-breaker", dummy, what the hell is a knuckle breaker? Is that a euphemism for something your Gay Republican All-Stars do in public bathrooms? lol

Van

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Doug, San Diego — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:59:06 GMT

McCain had the Straight-Talk Express, now Paul has the Big Bulls**t Blimp. Both vehicles going nowhere fast!

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Karl Lemowsky, Chicago, IL — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:00:25 GMT

really don't understand african americans and their leaders (civil rights leaders etc.)
The Hillary campaign is calling you guys "drug dealers" . This is how they see black people.
After reading articles such this one and watching news on TV, I'm still very surprise to see black people supporting Hillary campaign !!!
I can tell you if Barack campaign plays with white people stereotypes to target Hillary, he will loose white people vote, PERIOD.
I don't understand what is going on in african american's brains.

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Christy — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:04:26 GMT

BOOO HOOOOO! THIS IS JUST A START TO WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN FOR HILLARY CLINTON. I LIVED IN THE 90'S AND THEY WERE GREAT! I LOVE HOW ALL YOU CLINTON HATERS HAVE THE SILVER SPOON AGENDA OF ELECTING SOME YOUNG STAR THAN SOMEONE THAT HAS EXPERIENCE. HEY EVERYONE THAT SUPPORTS HILLARY THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR BUSH AND ALSO PROBABLY THE SAME PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T EVEN VOTE. WE WANT CHANGE ALRIGHT, GET YOUR BUSH OUT AND THE CLINTONS IN BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET HILL YOU GET BILL!!! ECONOMY PLANET RIGHTS --WAR HEALTH CARE! ON THE HILLARY BOAT SAILING TO PEACE. HILLARY 08! OH AND THE SEX SCANDAL WHAT PRESIDENT DIDN'T IF THIER HAND IN THE COOKIE JAR. I'LL SEND HILL A SIDE MAN ANY DAY. KEEP SEX IN THE WHITE HOUSE, WORRY ABOUT WHAT THEY DO FOR YOU NOT WHAT THEY DO BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.

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Dan Warner, Berick, PA — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:05:22 GMT

Life long regitered and voting republican.
Ron Paul supporter.
The party left me, I did not leave them.
Ron Paul is rejuvinating conservative values.
Ron Paul gets my vote because of the above.

How many among us are the same as me?

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Jane, Cary, NC — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:05:43 GMT

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:07:24 GMT

http://www.drudgereport.com/default.htm?sc=0.6813714977999088

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John Doe, Seattle, Wash. — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:09:24 GMT

Didn't the DMR endorse Bill Bradley in 2000? Where is he now? The DMR is a meaningless endorsement. If Iowans take the DMR endorsement seriously, then they do not deserve to be first in the nation to caucus.

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Rick,ky — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:11:22 GMT

We are thinking, J. Merle, just NOT like you & the other's who want the politics of personal destruction to continue. If you want a GOP president for the next 4 year's, then Mrs. right wing conspiracy woman is the one the Democrats need to nominate.If this country is Beleivable ablout wanting to Move Forward, then Hillary will Not be nominated. It's that Simple!! Other than Democratic support, she has No Independants & No x-over Gop voter's.We Democrat's don't have a 51% voting Majority who will stand with her.SO YOU THINK, WILL YA

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Lew Chatman — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:21:51 GMT

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Non Paul supporter at the polls — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:26:44 GMT

“There…there’s so many of them…somebody must do something…where did all these Paul supporters come from…somebody must DO SOMETHING…we can’t let him win…he’s going to win…NOOOOO!!!!”

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Bob,Huntington,NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:34:21 GMT

Pat of Huntington

"By focusing on her background like this, it makes her more human. I say you go girl! "

Don't worry we all know the real beeyatch is still there under the spin. Maybe she can go back to rolling cigars for Bill after she loses.

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Mary Anne, Potomac, MD — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:35:36 GMT

Chuck Todd - I posted earlier that you were most misleading in your statement on MSNBC at 10am that the Des Moines Register endorsement was so extremely influential for Iowa voters in past years. Well, you did it again at 1pm! How can you say that the Register was so influential in boosting Edwards from 4th place to 2nd in 2004, when John Kerry jumped from 3rd to 1st WITHOUT their endorsement? The way you tell it, it sounds like Kerry was leading, and because of the Register's endorsement Edwards almost caught up to Kerry! That is not the case at all. Kerry's win was a stunner! And he did it without the help of the DMR! Please be accurate and fair in your reporting. (at least you did mention at 1pm that the Register's choice in 2000 - Bradley - lost to Gore.)

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vanreuter, NY NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:36:00 GMT

Shadow, Hamden, CT (Sent Monday, December 17, 2007 10:04 AM)

Shadow-

I agree that Obama really needs to finish making the experience case. He needs to point out the following:

1. He has more years in elected office than anyone else out of the top three Republican AND Democratic contenders for President; he has served in elected office for eleven years, which s more more than not only his main Democratic rivals, but also more than Romney, Giuliani, Huckabee, or Thompson.

1a-The state senate is a part-time job and anyone foolish enough to want to compare that to elected experience as a Governor or US senator is certainly welcome to it. Believe me, Clinton's supporters WILL be reminding everyone about Senator Obama's experience. Here's what your friends at the DMR had to say...

"That readiness to lead sets her apart from a constellation of possible stars in her party, particularly Barack Obama, who also demonstrates the potential to be a fine president. When Obama speaks before a crowd, he can be more inspirational than Clinton. Yet, with his relative inexperience, it’s hard to feel as confident he could accomplish the daunting agenda that lies ahead."

I agree.

2-He is the only candidate running with experience at all three levels of government; he has served in elected office at federal and state level in addition to years of grassroots experience at the local level.

2a-Again, Please point out and try to make his experience an issue. All three levels of government would be Local, state and federal. It's news to everyone that street organizer is a local elected office, like City council. He had a part-time job in the state senate that was so important, that according to him, he didn't even have to keep the kind of daily calendar that the average salesperson or manager does in a business. This is NOT preparation to lead the nation. As US senator, the only committee that he chairs has NEVER met in the time he has been in charge. He has essentially been running for president since being sworn into the US senate.

3. All in all, his time in elected office, in organizing the grassroots, and in law directly relevant to the Constitution adds up to nearly twenty-five years of experience. Objectively speaking, that compares quite well to Edwards' six years in elected office and Hillary's eight years, plus stints as first lady (as well their years of law work that, although more profitable, did not deal with the Constitution, and thus cannot be considered directly relevant to the Presidency in the same manner).

3a-So, we should count EVERY single thing he's done since he was in graduate school? Only someone who has totally lost touch with reality would try to make this argument. Every candidate has a resume that dates back to their college days, but NONE of them have to tout what they did in college as relevant experience for NATIONAL OFFICE. This argument would be weak if you were promoting Barack for Governor of Illinois, which I believe he will be on the road to actually having the kind of experience he needs to be President.

4. Obama will have had four years in Senate Foreign Relations by the end of 2008, on top of an International Relations major in college, and years unsecluded in a third world country as a child, a priceless experience no US President has had in their past; all that put together compares quite well to the fact that four of our five last Presidents had *zero* foreign policy experience when elected.

4a-The committee that has never met in over a year? Good point. The presidents who had no foreign policy experience were GOVERNORS, who had TONS of EXECUTIVE experience. I bet most of them took Poly-Sci too. Bill Clinton studied foreign relations as a Rhodes Scholar in Europe, but he didn't try to claim that as experience, because it isn't. I am sure that Barack is also a regular viewer of the History Channel also. You make the best case for Obama's INEXPERIENCE by trying to aggrandize his tissue-thin resume by puffing up every thing he's done since graduate school.

He doesn't have the kind of experience that a Governor, or a two, three or four term US senator, does. He has ZERO executive experience. Most of his legislative experience has been as a part-time state senator. He has spent almost all of his time in the Us senate running for President, and hasn't overseen one single meeting of the committee that he chairs.

I like Barack Obama and believe that he would make a fine Governor of Illinois in the near future, and a fine president after that.

Van

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vanreuter, NY NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:40:26 GMT

Rick,ky (Sent Monday, December 17, 2007 1:11 PM)

"Clinton is viewed favorably by 82% of Democratic voters, Edwards by 72%, and Obama by 66%.

Among all voters nationwide, Obama is viewed favorably by 48%, Clinton and Edwards by 47%. See other key stats and general election match-ups for all Democratic candidates."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Wrong again. But you've never been constrained by the truth before...

Van

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John Doe, Seattle, Wash. — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:52:33 GMT

Whining? haaaaaa That's rich Van. An endorsement from the DMR is the equivalent of a death certificate. As far as I am concerned, anybody who didn't get an endorsement from the DMR still has a shot.

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:00:20 GMT

Audacious:
The Nance Garner quote was actually 'a warm pitcher of piss' but it has been cleaned up over the years. Still, as with Nance's quote, I agree with your sentiment, only more so. I am an Obama devote' but I could support any Democrat other than Hillary.

Ben I knew that stuff about Gannett and the DMR but I thought the gender influence was more subtle, subconcious even, and less corrupt for an editorial board (eight of nine of whom, are women). If your premise is correct then the proposition it is even more shameful.
Obama '08

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Mike, Hermosa Beach, CA — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:08:03 GMT

The establishment is really frightened now. Hardly a mention of the top fundraiser (and in such a compressed timeframe by forces outside the official campaign) in the field and an attack on Ron Paul supporters as not "really Republicans". I wonder if Chuck Todd or Mark Murrary are familiar with the expression "eating crow".

If National Journal's farcical rankings leave you dissatisfied... http://truthalert.net/Republican%20Presidential%20Candidate%20Rankings.htm

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vanreuter, NY NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:17:11 GMT

Whining? haaaaaa That's rich Van. An endorsement from the DMR is the equivalent of a death certificate. As far as I am concerned, anybody who didn't get an endorsement from the DMR still has a shot.

John Doe, Seattle, Wash. (Sent Monday, December 17, 2007 1:52 PM)

Is that John D'Oh!? You really are funny... to me and to Aesop...

Sour grapes is the false denial of desire for something sought but not acquired; to denigrate and feign disdain for that which one could not attain. This metaphor originated from the fable The Fox and the Grapes by Aesop, where the protagonist fox fails to reach some grapes hanging high up on a vine, retreats, and rationalizes that the grapes are probably unripe anyway. The grapes in the original fable is more accurately described as unripe, and the word "unripe" may have been replaced with "sour" by the fable's Victorian translators due to the latter's simpler sound, and because of the former's connotation as an innuedo (ie. an unripe woman). The phenomenon has been seen as a challenge to the rational-actor view within the social sciences, with its significance debated by scholars such as Jon Elster and Steven Lukes.

The phrase is sometimes also used to refer to one expressing, in an unsportsmanlike or ungracious way, anger or frustration at having failed to acquire something (i.e. being a "sore loser"), regardless of whether the party denies their desire for the item (i.e. hypothetical girl Joumanna being jealous of the fact that no one buys her lunch). Not including the denial of desire is technically a slipshod extension of the metaphor because it is inconsistent with the phrase's origin in the fable and the notion of the grapes being declared "sour".

Van
(HaHa!)

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:23:41 GMT

Van LOL:

Let's take your little rant here one at at time son:

Read the endorsement little Jerry, she's going to clean up the pig-sty your party has turned our country into. lol

Considering you left wing kool aid drinkers with your little know nothing polls have Hillary ahead, her changing of her campaign from policies (which she knows nothing about) to family, shows that she is in fact a loser in the upcoming voting. She couldn't get people to agree with her when she wanted to talk about whatever it is that is wrong with country (nothing in my book) and now she is trying to show her female side, which is like Michael Corelone showing his soft side before he butchered the leaders of the five families.

You offer nothing and criticize everything. The fact that you have so little to say on any republican thread or about any of your corrupt party's flawed choices, but spend ALL of your time heckling Hillary is clear evidence that you have nothing to be FOR, only against. You are an active negative.

With the exception of a few things (immigration and spending) I have been toeing the company line van, just as you have been toeing the Clinton company line. Hillary can run her mouth off all she wants to about how bad America is, but I seem to recall her husband, with a few (very few exceptions) did nothing to stop Islamic terrorism around the world. It took a man like President Bush to put that into a game plan and start killing terrorists. Instead your boy was busy playing with an intern, having to answer questions about the word "is" and paying off Paula Jones to keep her quiet.

Why do you spend ALL of your time trolling us democrats? Because the republicans all suck as candidates and you want the weakest democrat in the general election, because that's the ONLY chance the republicans have. If you don't think that you're antics are totally transparent, surprise! The only one you're fooling is yourself.

The weakest candidate on the ticket (Your ticket) is Hillary. All her negatives my guys will pounce on like a cat on a bird; there is no hiding from this Van. If your girl had answered the questions in Philadelphia instead of getting into a fourth grade shouting match with Tim Russert, the race on the democrat side would be over. But NOOOOOO, she decided to get down in the mud and now it has come back to bite her in the rear end.

You can quote all the polls you want Van and I strongly encourage it.....
Because it shows you, just it like it shows your girl....

Insignificant....

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vanreuter, NY NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:26:59 GMT

The most pathetic thing from the Sour Grapes brigade here today is that there is no depth that they won't go to to denigrate and spit on something that they hoped with all their might for just yesterday, and how transparent they are in their anger. Everything from, it's because there were women on the board (that's a nice insult to women everywhere.), to claiming the editors sold out, to the many who NOW insist that the endorsement either means nothing or will be a negative for the winner.
It was a big endorsement that EVERY democratic candidate wanted badly and lobbied heavily to get. It will make it's way into every home in Iowa before election day and EVERY candidate wishes that it was their commercial or their flyer or their mailing that could include these words;

"The times demand results. We believe as president she’ll do what she’s always done in her life: Throw herself into the job and work hard. We believe Hillary Rodham Clinton can do great things for our country."

So do I...

Van

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:34:06 GMT

Shadow:

He is 46. When did he start this glorious career of public service? You do realize that (typically) an undergraduate degree takes 4 years and law school takes 3. If he graduated high school at the typical age and took no time off between college and law school, he would have been 25 when he finished.

I don't follow his biography, because frankly I don't care, but let's at least be accurate.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:38:26 GMT

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vanreuter, NY NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:43:24 GMT

The weakest candidate on the ticket (Your ticket) is Hillary. All her negatives my guys will pounce on like a cat on a bird; there is no hiding from this Van.

What there is no hiding from is that if that were true, you wouldn't be wasting your time constantly slamming her.You prove that you believe that she's the strongest by your ACTIONS here, and no amount of rationalizing or denial can obscure that TRUTH.

Van

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POLpursun — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:45:08 GMT

"As for Obama, he does need to answer where the Des Moines Register editorial says he comes up short: experience. He's made the change case obviously, or the Clinton camp wouldn't be retooling so much. But he needs to close the experience gap, just a little..."

The above was extracted from the article preceding this comment.

A different perspective: ------- If Barack Obama can become potus in 2009, then the situation RIGHT NOW with the U.S. electorate is such the Des Moines Register and everyone else making this argument are behind the electorate. If Obama can win then a sufficiency of the electorate would effectively be giving much more weight to vision and judgement than to experience. This, I opine, is as it should be since experience (particularly if it is supposed to be so vast), if it results in poor judgement at crucial junctures, is of little import or, at least, its efficacy is called into question.

The Des Moines Register endorsement went where it should have gone, given its perspective. It will be seen where the Iowa caucus participants, specifically, are and perhaps, where the electorate, in general, is.
I say "perhaps" because I'm one of those who is of the opinion that a good showing in Iowa is crucial for Obama.

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Sierra, SF — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:49:03 GMT

Mariann Pepitone: '...Americans would be crazy to vote a muslim in the white house for president and I mean Obama. I am glad that finally came out in the open. Of course, this generation doesn't care because many of them are on booze and drugs like he was at one time...'

A typical email from the Clinton campaign

vanreuter, NY NY: '...I know that anyone who really looks at every aspect of what the candidates have to offer, what chance they have of winning, how they'll govern, how prepared they are to face the tough choices of the coming years, what's in their HEART, would reach the same conclusion....'

Gee, Van maybe you should tell that to the editors of the Boston Globe ....

They endorsed Obama !!!

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Richard in Idaho — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:58:19 GMT

Go Hillary, get that nomination, for nothing else will drive the opposition to turn out in the numbers necessary to ensure a Ron Paul win! Though MSNBC attempts to ignore it, he set a new fund raising record yesterday of over $6 million. No bad for a group of spamming kids, huh? Or, maybe there's more to this, Hmmm?

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:00:30 GMT

I have to say that the problem is, most people posting here with the 'sour grapes' attitude, feel that Hillary got the DMR endorsement without integrity. If it had been Edwards, Biden, Richardson, or Dodd, who had garnered the DMR nod, there might have been disappointment but not the outcry. And that's sad isn't it? People who oppose Hillary not only support their particular candidate but really oppose Hillary. And why is she a wedge in the Democratic party? Well, I guess it's about the war and about a long history of corruption shared by both Clintons. Is she intelligent and capable? Sure. But, so was Nixon. The blind ambition, the 'politics as usual' attitude, the support for the war (genuine? or again more ambition moderated by posturing for power?) negate any good qualities that she may possess. The intensity of the debate (among Democrats) over the desirability of another Clinton presidency (let alone candidacy) should be an indication of the problems to come, if she were to win the nomination.
Obama '08

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CitizenJ — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:06:57 GMT

In all honesty, the sour grapes by Obama supporters over the DMR endorsement is just very sad for me to see.

It must be gender. She must have bought them off. They are afraid of change.

Whatever happened to being gracious in defeat? Whatever happened to shaking hands and saying "good job"? I think those of you who are whining and complaining about Hillary getting that endorsement should take a minute to go back and read Gore's concession speech.

That is how one loses gracefully.

Carrie, Eastern Iowa (Sent Monday, December 17, 2007 2:38 PM)

Seriously? First of all, there are no wins or losses until the votes are cast. If this endorsement were indicative of a win, the John Edwards would have won Iowa in 2004. And Bill Bradley in 2000. Second, you were singing quite the different tune when Oprah endorsed Obama. I don't recall any "gracious in defeat" comments about that.

"I don't follow his biography, because frankly I don't care, but let's at least be accurate."

Carrie, Eastern Iowa (Sent Monday, December 17, 2007 2:34 PM)

Then what are you basing your choice of candidate on if you don't know his biography, and don't even care to know it?

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Sierra, SF — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:13:58 GMT

J. Merle Stanley,NY'Westchester,
'....http://www.drudgereport.com/default.htm?sc=0.6813714977999088....'

J. Merle Stanley, official 'spokesvillian' of the Clinton smear campaign

Really, Merle.... the Drudge report ?
What's next, Faux Newz ?
Why don't you Rush a BIG kiss ?

Hillary seems to bring out the REAL Merle in you

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:42:24 GMT

Bill Clinton had NO Washington experience when he ran for President. Mr. Clinton,I'm tired of politicians who lie-with you and Hillary in the White House, it will just be more of the same slick devious devisive, tactical politics. My vote goes to Barack Obama. And by the way, Mr. Clinton, I have just donated to Obama's campaign in honor of your little escapade.

Jenice (Sent Monday, December 17, 2007 11:01 AM)

Interesting point, and one that should be addressed by Bill himself when Obama reads his little quote form 1992. Bill had no Washington experience. However, he did have executive experience - quite a bit of it, actually. Governors do very well in presidential elections because people like to see someone who is used to being in charge...well, being in charge in D.C. too.

Unfortunately that trend does not bode well for the Democrats this election cycle, as we have only one executive in the mix in Governor Richardson. The GOP has a few options on the table if they choose to take that route, with Huckabee and Romney and even Rudy, whose tenure as mayor could be considered an executive position.

At any rate, for whatever reason, the experience the American public tends to prefer is that of an of someone serving in the executive branch, typically as a governor. D.C. experience doesn't count for much but knowing how to be the boss does.

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Lee Holmes — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:46:40 GMT

Ben: You need to read your own Chicago Tribune[for today]. By your suppositions regarding Thompson[Watergate] or Huckabee[AIDS]it would be as reasonable to infer that more innocents will be unlawfully shot to death by police under Obama[Chicago,last night,ran up its 200th homicide/shootings-under-suspicious circumstances-by-police in the last decade. Worse,that many of these shootings were by off-duty cops either under-the influence,or in ''road rage'']. The same decade which had Obama serving as US and state senator from that district and state.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:49:19 GMT

People, people wake up. Senator Clinton is the one. Obama is not ready, Joe Biden running neck to neck with Senator Clinton on qualifications and I don't have any idea what John Edwards is doing. The GOP candidates are one big joke. I think we've had enough of sad jokes coming from the current administration. administration.
Lew Chatman (Sent Monday, December 17, 2007 1:21 PM)

With all due respect, Joe Biden is light years ahead of Hillary when it comes to qualifications. I like Hillary, but I don't think there is anyone from either party who is more qualified to sit in the oval office than Joe Biden. I also don't think there is anyone more capable of doing that job well. He has a calmness about him that the other candidates don't and that is exactly what we need. I don't think we need to be all fired up - we need to be focused and level-headed. Joe Biden can provide the sort of steady leadership that this country needs.

Not to mention he is a virtual encyclopedia of knowledge on foreign policy. That doesn't hurt, either.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:54:57 GMT

Then what are you basing your choice of candidate on if you don't know his biography, and don't even care to know it?
CitizenJ (Sent Monday, December 17, 2007 3:06 PM)

J did you read my whole comment or just pick what you wanted to pick?

Shadow is touting his 25 years of public service. My question to Shadow was when did he start counting. I noted that if Obama took the typical route, he would have finished law school at age 25 (at the earliest) which would have been 21 years ago. So even if he began his public service on the very day he graduated, it does not add up to 25 years.

My comment re: not knowing his biography was in reference to the fact that I don't know at what ages specifically he finished his undergraduate and law degrees, nor do I know specifically when he began working in the public interest field.

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Karen Wood — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:56:20 GMT

To: Chuck Todd, Mark Murray and Domenico Montanaro -
I am finding the MSNBC coverage of this campaign to be biased and unprofessional. Believe it or not, I am capable, as a voter, of deciding who to vote for - you really don't have to try to influence my vote. Just give me the facts. The coverage of the Clinton campaign by your network has been appalling.

I haven't decided who to vote for, but I have decided this - I am not going to read or watch any more coverage by your network - I stopped watching Hardball two months ago - daily ranting by Matthews on all the things wrong with Hillary - her laugh, her husband,etc. became really boring and made me wonder if the guy doesn't need some counseling. He seems to have a problem with women.

I hate to inform the media pundits - but we, the people, really don't give a hoot who you support or are going to vote for - your vote is no more informed than mine- and based on the coverage, not really well informed at all. After all, when was the last time you discussed position differences among Clinton, Edwards (the guy you never talk about) and Obama? Is is that you don't know the differences?? Instead, you concentrate concentrate on the personal barbs the candidates are exchanging - that's easier to spoonfeed to the public. How about you put in an honest day's work for a change?

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CitizenJ — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:00:31 GMT

J did you read my whole comment or just pick what you wanted to pick?

Shadow is touting his 25 years of public service. My question to Shadow was when did he start counting. I noted that if Obama took the typical route, he would have finished law school at age 25 (at the earliest) which would have been 21 years ago. So even if he began his public service on the very day he graduated, it does not add up to 25 years.

My comment re: not knowing his biography was in reference to the fact that I don't know at what ages specifically he finished his undergraduate and law degrees, nor do I know specifically when he began working in the public interest field.

Carrie, Eastern Iowa (Sent Monday, December 17, 2007 3:54 PM)

I did read your comment. I was mainly surprised that you would say that you didn't care about his biography. I think we just had a misunderstanding as to what you meant by "following his biography". My apologies.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:01:08 GMT

J:

As far as Oprah is concerned, I could give a damn who she or any other celeb supports. I don't even put a lot of stock in endorsements from other politicians.

When Oprah announced her support for Obama, I was not bitter. I recall saying that I hoped that people didn't vote for Obama because of Oprah's support and no other reason. I stand by that statement - I think it is rather silly to make such an important decision based on what Oprah (or any other famous person) is doing. I also said it will be great for Obama if she can bring in more potential voters, and expand his message to a broader audience.

What I did not say was that Obama exerted some sort of improper influence to get her support. What I did not say was that the only reason Oprah supports Obama is because they are both black.

That would be the difference, J. I should think it would be obvious without me having to point it out, though.

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John Doe, Seattle, Wash. — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:04:10 GMT

Sour grapes is the false denial of desire for something sought but not acquired; to denigrate and feign disdain ..... blah blah..
Talking around the topic Van. Typical Hillarista

BTW: I still have not made up my mind on whom I am supporting. But I do know I do not like to be forced to vote based on "inevitability".

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CitizenJ — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:12:12 GMT

Carrie, Eastern Iowa (Sent Monday, December 17, 2007 4:01 PM)

I realize that people like you and I with a sound footing in reality would not put much stock in who is endorsing or campaigning for whom, but I just didn't recall (and my memory is faulty, so I could be wrong) that you were trying to point this out to people in the Clinton camp who were screaming about her endorsing him because they are both black.

I wasn't trying to accuse you of being one of the dreaded majority who were claiming the race/gender influence. I just didn't remember you pointing it out to others with the Oprah endorsement. But, as I said, I sometimes have the memory of a goldfish - especially when trying to filter through these posts.

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John Doe, Seattle, Wash. — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:16:23 GMT

Carrie:
I don't know about you, but to me and to most people, Bill Clinton is more famous than Oprah. That makes him a superstar and I find it odd that the MSM has not latched on to this notion.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:46:52 GMT

I did read your comment. I was mainly surprised that you would say that you didn't care about his biography. I think we just had a misunderstanding as to what you meant by "following his biography". My apologies.
CitizenJ (Sent Monday, December 17, 2007 4:00 PM)

No apologies necessary. By that I simply meant that I was not aware of the specific details, such as the years he graduated from college and what not. :)

Somewhere in a big pile of not-yet-read books sits "The Audacity of Hope"...probably pretty close to Hillary and Bill's autobiographies. I always think biographies are a good idea, then I realize I don't like reading them...lol.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:51:08 GMT

J:

Quite frankly, on this blog, the Obama supporters do not require my assistance in defending him. It's not worth the effort, either, because I seem to be wearing a scarlett H and therefore everything I say is to be disputed, disagreed with and discarded.

So no, I doubt I jumped up and sung the great one's praises. He has plenty in the First Read flock willing to do just that.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:24:22 GMT

".....The Hillary campaign is calling you guys "drug dealers" . This is how they see black people......" Karl Lemowsky, Chicago, IL (Sent Monday, December 17, 2007 1:00 PM)

Karl.....ah yes, the RACE CARD!
Nobody said anything about black people being drug dealers.
However, BARRACK OBAMA himself opened pandora's box when he wrote a book in which he admitted to using "a little blow" (cocaine) every once in a while.
Please don't think for a second that the right wingers won't use that in a national election.
Because, they damn sure will.
I don't know about anyone else but all thius race baiting is making me determined to vote against Obama, no matter who opposes him.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:54:25 GMT

to J. Merle Stanley - Actually, Lincoln was not the front runner or the most well-known Republican in 1860. It was William Seward of NY who everyone thought was going to get the nomination. It took some shrewd maneuvering by Lincoln's backers to throw the convention into a second ballot after Seward narrowly lost on the first. You failed to mention that Obama had years of experience as a Constitutional lawyer and Chicago community organizer, as well as his "equal to Lincoln" time in the Illinois State Legislature. As far as Federal experience, Obama has more than Lincoln had in 1860. I think history will repeat itself - the presumed "front runner" from NY will be beaten by the challenger from Illinois!
Jane, Cary, NC (Sent Monday, December 17, 2007 1:05 PM)

Actually Jane you're incorrect about a number os things. First off, Linclon had an agenda to push-for (freedom for slaves), and his notariety at the national level (and throughout the midwest in particular) was forged in the debates against Douglas some years before he ran for President.
Secondly, Lincoln was elected President 12 years AFTER he left the House of Representatives. In the meantime he practiced law, and was involved in more than 5,100 cases in Illinois alone during his 23-year legal career.
Additionally, the nominating process was different in 1860 than it is now. Delegates from each party chose their candidate. Delegates were not bound to any particular candidate, according to the primary election in their home state, they way they are now.
So, in that sense you're right, by today's standards, Lincoln might well not have been the G.O.P.'s candidate.
Okay, so Obama was a local community advocate in Chicago.....has he been a lawyer for 23 years (no), and does he have 5100 cases under his belt?(no, again)
Also, (and here's a little food for thought)....Lincoln was elected with 39% of the popular vote.
Are you saying that you think Obama would garnish as much support in 2008 as Linclon did in 1860, and that 39% of the popular vote would get him elected?
39% won't even win him 200 electoral votes in 2008...and this is my very point. The right wing WANTS Obama to be the Democratic nominee, because they KNOW he'll get THUMPED!

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karl, L, Chicago, IL — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 05:59:29 GMT

J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY
please posting, reposting, triposting, 4posting, Xn posting your article. You won't make Hillary case here.

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Clinton — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:26:42 GMT

I am proud Hillary Clinton supporter. To the Obama worshippers; it's amazing that your man of hope has produce so much hatred in your hearts toward Hillary. That speaks volumes to me! If this man was truly as good as you claim, there would not be this kind of hatred towards anyone. Obama is man made and supported by media hype! Hillary Clinton is a lady who is made and supported by years of hard work and effort. To all Hillary supporters,lets fight back against these Obama supporters who are spewing their hatred towards Hillary! Hillary you're the best!!!

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Brad Mesa AZ — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:27:14 GMT

Hillary scares me because all the people who are involved in scandal with her and her hubby disappear or end up committing "suicide". She seems to have recurrent amnesia when asked questions about things she was involved in.

America is being undermined on many fronts. The one most eminent is our Bankruptcy. Fueled by War, Empire Maintenance, and Fallacious Spending of congress; The economic Overtaking of America will not be far off. The effects are just now becoming evident. We will be sold to our enemies rather than forced into submission.

Ron Paul is the only candidate running for president that has the vision of the founding fathers of this country ingrained in his heart. Core Character Counts. He is the only one in the field that I would trust my money and my family's safety with.

The honesty and integrity displayed by Ron Paul coupled with the message he espouses is the glue that binds the support together. The word could not do it alone and this is precisely why the media and the others are baffled. The Ron Paul Supporters Value Substance Over Symbolism. We fully believe that Ron Paul will follow his words as his record shows. He is not as the others with Pandering Platitudes.

The commonality with all Americans is the Constitution. This is why his support group can not be pigeon holed in to a specific category. We Are Diverse And Many. There is no singular stereotype that even comes close to the specification of the group.

To help with your education here are some sites I recommend:

www.ronpaul2008.com/about/

www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/

www.ronpaullibrary.org

www.house.gov/paul/

www.lewrockwell.com/paul/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul

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