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Lyn, MD — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:28:19 GMT

Forty percent of Americans say they would vote to keep Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton from winning the presidency, more than twice the total for their No. 2 "anti-" pick, former New York Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani.
Mr. Obama was the only other candidate to draw double-digit opposition in the poll, with 11 percent saying they would consider using their vote against him.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071218/NATION/42189178/1001

USA match up poll coupled with this...Let's talk about electability...Hillary, After throwing all of your dirt in the past month people want you even less

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ll Minneapolis, MN — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:38:59 GMT

I like Biden and think that he would be an amazing President. I wish his numbers were better, cause his experience would be crucial just now.

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Pat Huntington NY — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:46:04 GMT

These polls might seem misleading because they do not account for how many people are undecided. The more undecideds there are, the less meaningful these kinds of polls are.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:49:04 GMT

I'm sure Van will be out with his worthless dribble in a while to prove the pollsters wrong......

“Ask the average voter what he or she thinks of Biden, and you're likely to get one of two responses: ‘Who's he?’ or ‘He'd make a great secretary of state.’ The latter seems to irk Biden even more than the former. ‘I'm not going to be secretary of state. Don't say that,’ he pleaded with one voter at a recent campaign stop on the Seacoast. ‘In no administration would I accept the position of secretary of state.’”

Why would he be Secretary of State?
The hours are bad and the pay is wayyyyyy smaller then he would be getting in the Senate, where he could just sit at his desk and go home at the end of the day.

Clinton was seen as the most "negative" and "ego-driven" of all the Democratic candidates. And 30 percent of likely Democratic caucusgoers viewed her unfavorably.”

Waiting for Van to show the polls to answer that one LOL.....

Hillary Clinton told an audience in eastern Iowa on Monday that anyone who had been on the national scene as long as she has is bound to end up with a lot of detractors and said any Democratic nominee would have “high negatives” very quickly.

When you look at her history you can understand why she is like she is; a tough career driven woman who will stop at nothing to get what she wants and throw people under the bus and drag them down the road to get what she wants.

What I have found is that campaigning and talking about real issues and making your case to people actually does change opinions.”

If she would start talking about those issues in the open and stop whispering in people's ears and make sure people know what she is about, maybe more and more people would come around to her. But as long as she is playing the secrets game, she will always be known as the Ice maiden.

The talk followed by just days The Philadelphia Inquirer’s publishing an account of a conversation, secretly taped by the F.B.I., in which Mr. Sharpton appeared to promise a Philadelphia fund-raiser some help on a business deal in return for a five-figure contribution to the 2004 Sharpton campaign. Mr. Sharpton said in an interview Monday that there had been no quid pro quo involved, and pointed to his talk with Mr. Clinton as a sign of his innocence."

If Bill really thought he was innocent, he would have met face to face, but I hope for the Clinton's sake, nothing in that conversation was taped. Al Sharpton is nothing more then Norman Hsu with a preachers voice.

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Amy B Portland, ME — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:50:29 GMT

Normally, I despise David Brooks, the sniggery little worm, but his assessment of Obama's strengths is right on. His last point, however, that successful Presidents are those with the fewest wounds, seems to score one for Hillary. Hill stikes me as the more emotionally mature and stable candidate. With all she has endured you would think she'd self destruct, but doesn't, she keeps pushing herself and growing. I still support Edwards, Brooks notwithstanding. He's the real, real deal.

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Dave, Tn — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:50:36 GMT

John Edwards as Wyatt Earp??? Oh please. Maybe Kenneth the page from 30 Rock.

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diane — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:54:34 GMT

Brooks is right. This is why Hillary is so wrong for the job with all that baggage. Nothing will get done and much polarizing and tug of wars will ensue.
I cannot believe people actually believe Hillary is the one who is most electable or is the one to get the most done. You cannot get more than deadlock if the congress refuses to work with you and the country is even more divided than it is now.

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Shadow, Hamden, CT — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:01:15 GMT

Amy - I believe Brooks meant political wounds, which Hillary has far more of.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:01:20 GMT

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Dot, Illinois — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:04:01 GMT

Would some one please explain to me if people think Senator Biden would make a great Sec of State, why is it so hard for them to go one step further and realize that he would make a great President?

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Kris, WI — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:05:06 GMT

Hillary, it's not that people are ideologically opposed to you, it's that they see your poll-driven campaign strategies. Don't start using "candidate for change" just because it's been so helpful for Obama. Don't bring Maya Angelou out just to use her against Oprah. Don't start showing your "softer side" after polls say that's your weakness. Just a few weeks ago you were explaining how your thick skin made you a great candidate, and now you're trying to portray yourself as soft just to win a few votes. The American people need honesty, transparency, and conviction now more than ever, and people see that this is not what you represent, no matter what campaign you run this week.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:14:55 GMT

His last point, however, that successful Presidents are those with the fewest wounds, seems to score one for Hillary. Hill stikes me as the more emotionally mature and stable candidate. With all she has endured you would think she'd self destruct, but doesn't, she keeps pushing herself and growing. I still support Edwards, Brooks notwithstanding. He's the real, real deal.
Amy B Portland, ME (Sent Tuesday, December 18, 2007 9:50 AM)

That is one of the things I most admire about Hillary. I cannot imagine living in her shoes these past 15-20 years. There is not doubt that the constant commentary and criticism must take a pretty heavy toll on a person.

I don't necessarily think that qualifies her to be president, but in terms of strength and perseverance, I think she is way ahead of the other candidates.

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P. A., Chicago, IL — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:15:33 GMT

Interesting to see that Obama matches up STRONGER than Hillary in a head-to-head contest with leading Republicans. A big part of the pro-Hillary argument is that Obama will struggle against the Repubs in a general election.
Not that early poll numbers are by any means definitive; but if it's true, it could spell trouble for HRC. Some people are saying "we think Obama's the best choice but can he win?". Once that 'can he win' part is out of the picture, Hillary can call it quits.

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Dot, Illinois — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:15:40 GMT

"At what point should Clinton stop talking about why she appears to be polarizing............"

NOW! And she and the other candidates and their supporters can stop arguing the "experience" issue too. The facts are there, we all know them, no need to keep re-hashing. Nobody's mind will be changed. And, they can stop arguing about whether some one is more likeable, is "soft enough" but not too soft; which candidate really stands for change---well you get the point. All of these minor flaps are simply that---minor, but by dwelling on them we have allowed all the candidates to not have to focus on the tough issues. We've had weeks of this--I would like to see them get back to their solutions for our country's problems.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:16:26 GMT

I must know only above-average voters, because I haven't encountered anyone that has said "Who's he?" when Biden's name was mentioned.

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natedog, Washington DC — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:17:36 GMT

vote Ron Paul or you're a scurvy pirate. & What do you do with a scurvy pirate? you make him walk the plank...

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vanreuter, NY NY — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:24:17 GMT

jerry/corpus christi texas (Sent Tuesday, December 18, 2007 9:49 AM)

Little jerry-

Until you start participating in republican threads, or until the general election, you're Sierra, or any of the other posters here that I've nicknamed "scroll".
You offer nothing. You're a heckler, and not even within your own party. You're a boor and a bore, and tantamount to talking to a wall. Trading taunts and barbs is not debate or political discourse. Feel free to invoke my tag, but it will be howling into the wind. I won't take the bait, Little jerry. Call it, "addition by subtraction"...Your new name is SCROLL...

Van

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Pam the OC, CA — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:26:38 GMT

After finally watching the Democratic debates (thank God for TIVO), I am simply amazed that people do not know who Biden is..I have been an Edwards supporter, but Biden really is the best man for the job..I SO wish more people would wake up and realize that, but only us political junkies seem to..what a shame, since this country really, really needs him now.

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Gayle — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:28:31 GMT

If, as the article alleges, Iowans truly say "Who's he?" when asked about Biden, one can only fault the national media for its obsession with Clinton and Obama, who have captured the (relatively few) big-money Democrat donors.

Neither Obama or Clinton is likely to be elected in the general election as no Republicans will cross party lines to vote for them -- while Democrats who possess serious reservations about Obama and/or Clinton will definitely cross the line for certain Republican candidates.

Watching the leadership and monied supporters of the Democratic Party, of which I am a life-long member, throw this opportunity away is more painful than watching what happened to Al Gore in Florida.

Unbelievable.

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PulSmasara — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:31:24 GMT

Barak Obama for a better America.

It's time to Rise and Shine again.

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jdr — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:35:01 GMT

Hillary, no way. She tries to show her sense of humor by laughing like a witch. She tries to show her softer side by bringing in her mother. Please... Keep the Clintons out. Edwards is okay. However, Barack Obama is the choice that would be best.

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Roy Warner,Milwaukie,Oregon. — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:36:41 GMT

I like Bidden, he makes more sense on the issues that we face now.
I beleive all polticans have to lie in-order to get elected.
But I think Bidden is not as bad as the others.

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rh — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:36:48 GMT

Hillary Clinton is the best choice, followed by Biden. Between the two they will clean up the mess left by Bush. If Hillary wore her heart on her sleeve, she would be accused of being to emotional. I think she is great and would make a very dynamic President

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Simon, IA — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:40:20 GMT

Lyn, MD (Sent Tuesday, December 18, 2007 9:28 AM)

It's because MSM paints her like that and those people who fall for it, hate her. I am not sure if you count yourself in that 40% and trying to feel vindicated about your hatred without knowing her?

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Mel/mi — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:41:56 GMT

Hillary is the more stable and mature candidate. My vote is for Hillary. I do see Edwards point, however we do not want to swing the pendulum the other way from Bush. Gulliani reminds me of the joker in batman cartoon series

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TheQueenBee — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:51:48 GMT

Hillary has proven she's got what counts to be the president...proven leadership, real experience, and meaningful results for her constituents. Anyone who can't see that needs a thorough colonic enema!

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russ Wells, Maine — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:55:10 GMT

Your polls mean nothing to me only that they dicourage voters as we are made to believe you have picked the winners already....How about if the media and all these poll takers...who i think make it beneficial to certain canadates. not do polls and lets le the Voters decide....we have 12 mos of brainwashing and the media eats this up....How about the price of oil and northern states are hurting..How about Health care when are elected officals dont have to worry...How about the person who does without because there poor....How about gas prices effecting the cost of services and the taxpayer has pick up these high cost...I can go on forever...Politics as usual,same old promise and they forget when the get elected what they promised. Nothing has changed just a rich goverment taking care of there own

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Stu, Saginaw, MI — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:04:21 GMT

Dear First Read;

There you go again with your "snarky" question marks when writing about Hillary.

Why don't you folks just be candid and upfront and say, "We're for Obama."?

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Travis, Louisville, Ky. — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:14:42 GMT

Of course Jerry has another smart comment to make about someone intelligent enough to support the candidate who most strongly disagrees with everything Bush. Jerry, it really is okay, we will only decimate everything you Repugs have "Created" in the last 7 years. Feel sad?

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MK,MO — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:21:00 GMT

the fact remains when the dem candidates are matched up against the repub candidates nation wide edwards is the 'only dem' that beats all repub candidates, although the media does not like to talk about it edwards is, and has always been the only dem that can win the general election despite the tons of garbage the press spews forth daily, nobody likes to discuss this fact due to hillary and obamas novelty, good ol boy, politics as usual status, but neither can win the general election, so blabber on about their tabloidish qualities all you want, but when it comes time to vote, vote for edwards or lose

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Susan Wallace, New York, NY — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:28:45 GMT

I have always been one of those voters who would love to see a woman president but never warmed to Sen. Clinton. Now given the way she and Pres. Clinton have and are going after Sen. Obama I have come to loathe her, and say anyone but Hillary! For the first time in my memory, we the democrates, have an outstanding field of candidates and Sen. Clinton has soiled the waters for good. I am reminded of the "bad" times in Clinton's presidency. I am reminded why people don't like Hillary. She reminds me of the women during the women's liberation movement who hurt the advancement more than helped it.

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Dante — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:30:20 GMT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Clinton tops the list of "anti" candidates in a poll that asks Americans who they would most want to keep out of the White House, The Washington Times reported on Tuesday.

Forty-percent of Americans said they would vote against Clinton, a New York Democrat, according to a Fox 5-The Washington Times-Rasmussen Reports poll.

Clinton scored more than twice the total of the No. 2 "anti" pick, Republican Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor.

"Hillary Clinton is better known than any (other) presidential candidate on either side. She has a lot of people who love her and a lot of people who hate her" said pollster Scott Rasmussen.

Sixty-four percent of Republicans and more than half of adult men under 40 said they would use their vote against Clinton, the poll found.

Giuliani drew the strongest opposition from Democrats, with 30 percent saying they would vote to bar him from the presidency, according to the poll.

Among the other candidates, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama also scored double-digit opposition with 11 percent saying they would consider using their vote against him, The Washington Times said.

Republican Mitt Romney, a former Massachusetts governor, rounded out the leading "anti" candidates with seven percent opposition, the survey found.

The poll of 1,000 adults, taken December 11 to 12, has a margin of error of five percentage points.

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Sean — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:32:27 GMT

Hillary is getting back on track. Keep it up Hillary!

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Jose Alemar Williamsburg, Colorado — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:51:17 GMT

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Williamsburg, CO 81226
gonosticmastery@peoplepc.com
Gnostic Mastery
December 18, 2007
To; First Reads
Ladies and Gentlemen
Hillary Clinton is to be admired, she is not only getting hit by the Democratic wan-a-b president but she is also been trashed by some influential individuals in the main stream media like Chris Matthews and this guy Tucker. Also she is been bestially hit by the extreme right wing talk shows embedded in Clear Channel and Fox TV. So, I frankly believe that if she is still standing is because she is the real deal.
The right wing and some in the main stream media are somehow promoting Barak Obama because is the easies to defeat in the general elections. By promoting Obama and going after Hillary they can design their campaign base on “inexperience” and that he is to young and you can rest assure that they will sneak in the word “Muslim”. Remember that the Republican Right winger’s propaganda is based on “fear”. According to my personal “intelligence gathering” there are some on the Christian rights preparing what it could be the final blow to Obama’s dream the blow will not permit him to recuperate ever. They are planning to say and they will quote prediction (prophecies) that a man born in the east will gain power and rule with strong hands and bring the world to chaos and destruction by introducing his new doctrine. It says about this man that he will introduce himself as a compassionated, smart mouth and with soft and attracting words.
Obama was born in the east and was born of Muslim/Islamic origin; I am not saying that he is that man on the prophecies and in the Book of John, I can not tell, but they will use this as a fear tactics. They will swift boat Obama from the very beginning.
What is going on with those against Hillary? Well is psychological reaction, not against Hillary but against her husband Bill Clinton. They can stand Clinton because after all the occurrences while he was in the white house he is still smiling and more popular than ever, “plus richer”. They complain about Bill helping Hillary, so what is her husband and hi is supposed to help her.
So this is the fact and bottom line is their hate and dislike against Bill is been emptied on Hillary. They wanted Hillary to trash and destroy Bill but she stood firm and kept him. On the other hand the right wing cult knows that Hillary can take on any of those running for the white house job and she can easily win.
My prediction is that Hillary will win the nomination.

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kenn — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:54:09 GMT

polls mean what you want them too,of course I m happy with this one cause my person is doing better,but not the be all end all ask Karl Rove what his 2006 polling data told him ,Republican sweep of the house and senate,HAHA

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LJ, ABQ, NM — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:54:25 GMT

As the United States has seen, leadership is the key factor in the direction of a country. What type of leader would think of, and approve, looking at an opponents Kindergarten papers for campaign dirt? What is the quality of the leader who has surrogates make a false accusation, to get the dirt floating, and then have a surrogate apologize for it AND mention the false accusation in the apology. America will get the leadership it deserves.

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kenn — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:55:22 GMT

Jerry you stay up all night thinking about Van and hilliary ever think their the same person?HAHAHAHAH

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kenn — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:00:59 GMT

I am not a mormon not a muslim or a christian or hindu but when you nutjobs are done killing childern and women ,old folks,let me know which team I should pray to. MIGHT MUST MAKE RIGHT,or THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH HOU SHALT NOT KILL MAKE UP YOUR MIND>INSTANT KARMA IS GONNA GET YOU>

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Robert The Woodlands Texasr — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:05:13 GMT

I'm 61 years old and have never voted for a pepugilican..and i never will (I live in Texas)but i don't believe obama has enough experence to be president...bit neighter did bush...we cant afford any more on the job training though so if ombams get the nod i will set this one out even though i voted in every election since 1968...but if America is smart it will be Madam President...it the only chance we have..ASHAMED OF Bush in Texas.

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Karl Dean Las Vegas, Nevada — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:05:24 GMT

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg for President! I think he is the only one that can save America!

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Tim, PA — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:06:48 GMT

Unfortunately for the american people, and the America I know and fought for, the one candidate who is truely for the people and our constitution is never mentioned, nor allowed to speak at a DEMOCRATIC debate, and is constantly dismissed by major media groups as being "un-electable". Each of these so called "electable" candidates are now saying what Dennis Kucinich has said all along. They are taking his ideas and spinning them as their own. I wish the american people would wake up, and the media would stop force feeding their ideals to us in return for profit. What happened to freedom and the country I fought for?

Kucinich '08

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tony, houston, tx — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:14:08 GMT

Unfortunately, when it all comes down to it, the most likely democrat to be elected is John Edwards. When it comes down to the dem primaries, it is likely that one of the other candidates will take the nomination. The unfortunate part is that while it is left widely unspoken, the nation will still not vote a woman in as president, nor will it elect a black man. Those two things alone will get every republican voter over the age of 60 (and several democrats)into a voting booth just to make sure that hillary, nor obama is elected. it is sad that at this point in time these items would be of any consequence when both are great candidates. But I honestly believe that neither will be able to pull out the overall win because of the things that should matter the least.

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Evelyn Bodsford, Winston-Salem, NC — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:15:20 GMT

How can a person run for president of our United States and not even pledge to our nation's symbol, the flag. He does not stand up for what our country was built on. We are a God loving country and we need a God loving leader in all aspects. If he wants to represent us as president, he needs to stand up for all this country believes in. In no way would I vote for Obama because I love my country and I love our flag. Our flag is on the moon and all our soldiers carry it and fight for it. We need a president who will respect it also and pledge to it.

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One buy day"two buy night" — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:16:45 GMT

Down to the last days and you will have done your part to elect the next President. What ever your convictions, the manner you voice your opinion, But you have no voice! Your physical deed to punch a hole aside a name on a ballot,, You call that a voice. Why is it they now use their agenda's to control your life? You Have no say about that subject. One vote and your commited to misrepresentation! Your legal strenght against changing wrong to right does not exist.

What we see today is where the real power can be controlled, one stept away of impeachment, laws which reflect to be only paper, Useless laws with out enforcement, Federal enforcement without physical being, Candor to incited, But by the stroke of your vote.

Question: Your vote is counted, yet why is your voice silent!!!

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JW, Phoenix, AZ — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:17:18 GMT

America will NOT elect a woman or a black man. If they are on the Democratic ticket the far right will mobilize to vote Republican just to keep them from winning. If the Democrats really want to have the White House, they better make sure Edwards or Biden are on the ticket.

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Ernie Salomon, Santa Barbara, CA — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:22:56 GMT

I don't think Rudy will get the nomination because more and more baggage is being loaded on him from his past, includsing his criminal pal ("I didn't know".) Barney and his protected sex tabs ("It was creative book keeping".) on the taxpayers of NYC. Romney will not get the nomination because the Mormon thing and his flip-flopping on every issue in sight kills him! Huckaby won't make it either because again, the truth of his past ("God told me to free those killers".) will catch up. That leaves Thompson, who wears lead inside his shoes because he is such a lightweight. "Now where did I leave my shoes?. This will in turn leave old man McCain as the last Republican standing. ("At least until the election".)

Hillary is slipping at this stage and if Obama wins in Iowa AND New Hampshire she will be in deep trouble! She will also be in serious trouble if she loses these two states to anyone else. Don't count Edwards out just yet!!! He is the wild card as far as the Democrats are concerned and a very smart guy. If Obama and Hillary knock each other about enough, Edwards will be nominated. In any case, McCains's age,if he gets the nod, will work against him. Even Ronald Reagan wasn't THIS old @ 73!

I am going out on a limb:
McCain vs Obama or Edwards!

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Elizabeth Sullivan, San Diego, CA — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:35:10 GMT

Are any of the top 3 Democratic candidates talking about anything relevant to what is going on in the world today?

It seems to me that the hype in this race is about absolutely nothing.

No media wants to look at the issues because their 3 little pet Democratic candidates don't fair so well when the discussion is about more than "change" v. "electability."

In order to know what they stand for we first need to know what they've stood for. Where is the look at the political and voting records of the top 3 Democratic contenders? They parse and bicker and squabble because that keeps the MSM amused and full of silly little stories. When Biden accomplishes something in the Senate (Iraq vote) it is treated as an aside. When he calls for action while other candidates are calling for contributions, it is quaint or expected or desperate. If any of the top 3 spent any time doing the job they are currently elected to (except you Edwards, you are unemployed) and they manage to accomplish something, my goodness, it would be a coronation. But, because the most qualified candidates are not history-makers the MSM has decided they don't make good copy, or video, or webstream. They aren't sexy enough and, Lord knows, we haven't had enough sexy lately. Paris Hilton for President.

The best candidate, the most forthright throughout the entire campaign, the guy not bullshitting the American people has been deemed too "last season." As Heidi Klum says "One day your in and the next day - YOU'RE OUT."

After 8 years of subterfuge from the most arrogant of administrations, why are we accepting this shallow campaign?

Kindergarten, cocaine, planted questions, unsavory ties, big donors, property sales, meltdowns, reinventions, clarifications, endorsorama.

We won't be fooled again......will we?

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Joyce Ignacio, NY — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:35:42 GMT

I still don't understand the - you have to be likeable; you must come of as nicey nicey, approachable, etc...requirement to be the President of the United States. Isn't that how Bush got into power? It's time to look way past that America.
Look at who could lead, who is strong enough, who is mature enough, who is capable of handling all the mess the current administration will be leaving behind, who can make the wisest decisions of all.

My opinion, it's either Hilary Clinton or John Edwards. Obama as much as I like him comes of as naive on some issues, he gets lost on some and too much in the middle on others. He'd make a good VP is he accepts it.

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Felix Littleton CO — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:37:50 GMT

Dems ought to pay very close attention to the match ups with the Republicans. Edwards does the best as a candidate who polls well against all the Republican possibilities. Hillary is the weakest.

We shouldn't mistake name recognition in national polls for hard support. Also, if Giuliani wins the Republican nomination, any attack by surrogates on mistress or finance or shady associate related scandals can't be used to any advantage by a Clinton campaign with enough problems of its own in all those areas. And Giuliani isn't the only candidate who would be bad news for a Clinton campaign.

Dems who are serious about not settling for more seats in the Senate without taking back the White House need to ask themselves the obvious question: Is this any time to make it any harder than it needs to be?

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M, Phila — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:39:23 GMT

After everyone is done speculating it would be clear that the only ELECTABLE candidate in the democratic party is Edwards... As much as I love Hillary, I must admit that she can not win today.

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Amy R, Davenport, IA — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:43:37 GMT

Hillary's experience is a track record of failures during her husband's term and refusal to admit when she's been wrong on issues like Iraq . She also repeated the same mistake with the Kyl-Lieberman amendment. We don't need another president with a track record of failure and cold pig-headed stubbornness. In the last campaign days she is now "acting" like she is a softer person.

Obama has been both successful in his legislative career -- a career longer than either Clinton or Edwards -- and able to admit and learn from those times when he's made mistakes. That's the kind of experience, honest, and judgement we need. We are where we are now not because of Bush's lack of experience - but because of his vision. We need new vision.

And if experience is your thing, Obama has that too:

- Senate Foreign relations committee

- Homeland Security committee

- Veterans affairs

- 10 years constitution law professor

- grassroots organizer

- State Senate

- US Senate

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Jeremy — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:50:48 GMT

If this were an actual democracy and people got to choose, or should I say, people were allowed by the MSM to be educated equally about the candidates, Nobody could touch Kucinnich. He's always right. Oh sure, he's seen U.F.O.'s, but that's nothing compared to the vast mounds of Clinton dirt that could be thrown around.

So, you know, you people can sit here and talk about these candidates as if you formed opinions based in facts and observations and that these candidates haven't been chosen for you by the very moguls that control these websites and these blogs that we write on, but who are you kidding? Are you even kidding yourselves? We haven't been given much of a choice in this day and age of "fair and balanced" news coverage, have we? I just wish Fox News would pick wich GOP candidate they want to overglorify, so we knew who people like Jerry from Corpus Christi were going to pick already.

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Buck Clark, Waterloo, Iowa — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:51:15 GMT

Please Iowa, make Joe Biden your first choice!!!

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MikeB, Eugene, OR — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:58:31 GMT

Amy B Portland, ME - I agree with you on Edwards and Obama. Edwards is the very man we need as President right now whereas Obama would make a very good President. I also like Biden. I cannot stand Clinton and would rather vote Bush a third term than cast a vote for her.

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michael, atlanta, GA — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:04:44 GMT

If we can get Dodd, richardson, and the rest of the tier2s to drop out and consolidate behind Biden, then we have a real shot.

Biden will appeal to conservatives - he's the most electable of the bunch;

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Jimmy Crackhorn, Texas — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:06:29 GMT

November is still a long ways away. None of these candidates are addressing issues as difficult we will face in the next few years, from monetary policy to oil shortages and high eneregy prices (Hey spoiled Americans, learn to turn the lights off once in a while you pigs!) and only one candidate has addressed these issues with consistency in message and a historical vote and that's Ron Paul Stop ignoring the man and listen to his message, he's not a crackpot, our Government and the Republican Party has been idealogically kidnapped and the only way you will know more about this man and what he stands for is to check out YouTube and do a search under Ron Paul, or just Google him. He set new records this last quarter and you will wonder who he is when he starts take voter mindshare away from the flip floppers and liars that lead the polls.

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Jimmy Crackhorn, Texas — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:11:08 GMT

If not Ron Paul then Joseph Biden. Clinton and Obama will crash and burn. Giuliani is a total flake, Romney a total liar, and Huckabee is just a war mongering panderer, then there's that Edwards dude that is bound to have a boney time-bomb in his closet, and McCain who has lost his marbles. Biden I can live with, but if we're to really make a change make it for the better and vote Ron Paul in the primaries at least to force the debate.

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L Martin, Tobyhanna, PA — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:16:09 GMT

Democrats and America, PLEASE wake up. Be rational and objective this time. Consider the situation going on in this country and the rest of the World, from terrorism, economy and international relations (and among nations at large. We need a person to be president in this Great country U.S.A. who is ready on Day 1, who had overcome the Republican Destroyer Machine for years(and won and nothing new now that they can accuse), who has no history of DUI, use of illegal drugs, gambling, extra marital affair and (smoking, the least, this can waste time when one is working. A person who is focused to do great things in her life since she was a child and has been consistent about it. A person who has been so strong in her convictions and boldly confronts anything that is in her way,be it real or imagined(negative accusations about her).
HILLARY IS THE BEST AND GREATEST CANDIDATE FOR THE US PRESIDENCY.
VOTE FOR HILLARY FOR A REAL CHANGE IN THIS COUNTRY...

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Ken Collins/ Wagoner, Oklahoma — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:17:39 GMT

Well am I glad to see Chuck Todd is finally telling some facts instead of wallowing around with Billary.
The facts are that Sen. Obama is a winning factor over all the leading Republicans and Hillary barely is getting any victories !!!!

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Kelly (from Pittsburgh) — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:19:23 GMT

This comment from Biden, should really make his supporters to think twice. I don't think any American who wants support for president, should deny serving in a lesser position if that is what would be best for the country. I realize he's already served many years as a Senator, and that Secretary of State is a more demanding job. But if you are running for the most demanding job because you believe you are the best on foreign policy, then to not accept the Secretary of State job when you lose (is a sore losers position).

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Ron, Wichita, KS — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:24:08 GMT

The White House makes policy, not the SoS. Biden knows what to do - he's not going to be somebody else's foreign policy manager a la Colin Powell. Look where it got Powell - a White House spin meister in front of the United Nations. Shame!!!SoS - a glorified foreign policy manager for the POTUS!! Why would that fit Biden??? He's knows 10 times more about foreign policy than any of the other candidates so why would he want to "take orders' from them as their SoS? Come on people! Wake up and deal with reality. At this point in history, after the debacle created by Bush and Cheney, we need the absolute BEST foreign policy person in the White House - not at the State Department! And since most folks - at least on the Democratic side - agree that Biden is that person, he needs to be the nominnee. Nuff said!

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Eileen, Navarre, FL — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:24:16 GMT

Jerry - I think it doesn't help when the media keeps hyping certain candidates and downplaying the other candidates. I'm tired of hearing about Obama vs. Hillary. Just as I'm sick of hearing about Romney vs. Huckabee vs. Guiliani. I'd like to hear all the other candidates. And, yes, from BOTH parties! See, I'm an independent. I vote for the person, not the party. I've been reading the candidates'websites to find their stand on issues. I would like to hear more from Biden as well as Ron Paul. But there seems to be a media ban on them. So it doesn't surprise me when people don't know who Biden is. The other thing that bothers me is this issue about the candidates' religion. Are we voting for PASTOR of the United States or PRESIDENT of the United States? Whatever their religious beliefs that is between them and God. I want to select the best possible leader. One who considers ALL the citizens of the US. Anybody know of some objective websites I can read for more information on all the candidates?

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Michele, Los Angeles — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:26:14 GMT

Obama supporters are as naive as he is stating experience is irrelevant and that mentality is so totally irresponsible. We have just had the most inexperienced president ever, who was even a governor, being advised on every issue and look at the total mess. We cannot afford a 2 year senator that only has rosy speeches to offer. Experience is vital! As far as trashing the 90's: Clinton should coin the phrase “back to the future” for her campaign as I personally am desperate for 8 years of peace and prosperity!! Obama is not ready and I’m sure he knows it if he can get past his inflated ego.

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Ceile Edgar, Ft. Wayne IN — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:26:49 GMT

> His last point, however, that successful
> Presidents are those with the fewest wounds,
> seems to score one for Hillary. Hill stikes
> me as the more emotionally mature and stable
> candidate.

Hillary strikes me as someone that has sustained a considerable amount of emotional abuse and one that carries a lot of baggage. Hillary shows many, many indicators that she is emotionally unstable. If things do not go according to script, she becomes unsure of herself, flustered, and then shows a lack of confidence. Hillary looks to be the most unstable of all the candidates. Everyone has emotions, but Hillary seldom shows hers, and when she does, they look contrived and scripted. You can just feel that there is a lot of anger and resentment just under the surface with her. Hillary is by far the most risky candidate of both the Democrats and the Republicans. It is really unclear how she would behave if she was ever elected to the presidency,

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Gregg, Georgia — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:27:56 GMT

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Richard in Idaho — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:31:42 GMT

I'm curious, do most people now believe that there are no problems that can't be solved by government intervention? Another program, a new administrative agency, a little tax increase, what's the harm? However, when is the last time one of these creations was deep sixed? None come to my mind, so, where does it end folks? The government tax rate is ever growing and spending is never reduced. Just remember, government jobs detract from the GDP not contribute. Time for a little self-reliance. And, just to thwart the inevitable barbs, I'm not endorsing throwing people into the cold, or tossing disadvantaged kids under a bus. Time for a 180 degree turn, vote Ron Paul.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:34:07 GMT

Lyn, MD.
Yes, let's talk about electability.
Obama garnishes a paltry 26% among registered Democrats nationwide.
Sorry, that aint going to "butter the biscuit."Hillary rings in at close to 45%, which will surely increase when the other candidates go by the wayside.
As for throwing dirt, the only people I see doing that are Obama and his followers (like you, for instance.)
I don't want to hear about the Shaheen B.S. either. Because Hillary apologized for his comments, even though they were dead bolts accurate.
The right wing WANTS Obama to be the Democratic candidate. If you don't believe me, just listen to Rush, Hannity, and O'reilly. Hell, even Karl Rove is out there publishing talking points for Obama to use against her. Why would he do that if he didn't want Obama at the top of the ticket?
The answer is as plain as the nose your face. If you can't see it, there's somethinmg wrong with you.

HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT 2008! ***Experience Counts***

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Stephen Carbaque, Boulder, CO — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:40:39 GMT

I would like to add a few points to this discussion

1. Independents always go for the fresh face until they start pay attention, then they go for the moderate. Clinton is the most moderate of the democrats. she will also pull in fiscal conservative socially liberal independents that Obama will scare off. She is the democrat of wall street. An very important independent demographic that actually votes, as opposed to young liberals that go for obama.

2. Think long and hard about what type of teenager does "a lot of blow but never touched smack" and the type of world he must have been living in to do that. You don't hang out in the boy scouts and do "a lot of blow" you live a dirty life. I am in no way a prude but this makes me a little scared about Obama.

3. Lastly, Obama remind me a lot of the governator, great and grandiose ideas but he hasn't come to grips with the reality of a three party system. It took Arnold two years to come to terms with that, I am not sure we have two years for Obama to figure that out.

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Richard in Idaho — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:42:12 GMT

Gayle, I think you have definitely hit upon something about how the MSM has their anointed picks. However, I think it is due to something other than how much money the candidates have raised. For example, look at Ron Paul. He's raised over $18 million in the 4th quarter with $6 million coming in a single day from grass roots contributors, yet he's largely ignored. I believe the MSM favorites is more due to the ownership of the media outlets and continuation of the neocon agenda. Yes, I think Hillary is a part of this agenda with the political sparring with the administration simply for show.

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Dave, Arlington, Va — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:44:06 GMT

To Kris:

I dont get why you oppose a sophisticated, albeit poll-driven candidacy. The reality is that this is modern politics and that you need that kind of campaign to beat the republicans. It is perhaps true that Hillary isn's as authentic as Obama, but as a Democrat, you must surely agree with the most of her policy proposals. Because thats what this is all about, electing a Democrat that 1.) will win the white house that 2.) will be a successfull president in terms of economic policy and 3.) Getting us out of the mess and the middle east.

I believe that Hillary will be a good president. She wil most likely cause division, but there is no proof that Obama won't cause division in what wil surely be a bitter campaign next fall. Its time to be serious about this and to start thinking soberly about the practical realities of and Obama candidacy/presidency. Obama will not walse into Washington and suddenly change everything. It will take time, hard work and specific policy proposals.

Hillary is clearly the best choice for both the nomination and the presidency.

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Hank R., Smyrna, DL — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:45:15 GMT

Obama can never be president, because he's a coke snorting muslim educated in indonesian madrassas.

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NICK, WALLED LAKE, MI — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:46:15 GMT

Hillary or John Edwards!!! John is probably the most electable, but I don't think that matters. The GOP have screwed up so bad the last 8 years, you could put a monkey against them in a general election and the Democrat is going to win. Rudy WW3. Mitt the Flip. I mean, do we really want the next Supreme Court justice to be another conservative? No abortion? Continue to stop stem cell and continue to discriminate against gay people? Start WW3 so Haloburton can make even more money? If America votes GOP again, we are doomed!!!!!

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OhioMom — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:47:02 GMT

I was puzzled reading the "electability" numbers above, not because they show that Obama matches up better than Hillary against Republicans, but because polling data for the past year has shown Edwards to be the most electable of all. Why, I wondered, didn't they mention this? Turns out USA Today didn't even put Edwards in head-to-head match ups.

Okay, he's my guy, which is one reason for my anger, but beyond that, when are we going to stop letting the media choose our next president? (What a fine job they did last time, huh?) The MSM has worked so damn hard to portray Edwards as an also-ran but guess what? It isn't working. He's in a dead heat in Iowa, and his poll numbers in New Hampshire, South Carolina, and nationally are all higher than Kerry's were two weeks before the 2004 Iowa caucuses! People DO make their choices based on the results of the first few states, and as Kerry's nomination shows, anything can happen. Yet USA Today, in its wisdome, simply counts a candidate out.

I'm no conspiracy theorist but I'm starting to believe the MSM has tried to discount Edwards because he opposes media consolidation and will have the power, as president, to resurrect anti-Trust legislation. (George Orwell would vote for Edwards, I'll betcha.) Here are the REAL numbers in terms of electability:

RealClearPolitics, in an average of all polling data, shows that Edwards beats every single Republican by wider margins than either Hillary or Obama. He and Barak do about the same against Guiliani and Thompson (both fare better than Hillary), but there's a marked difference against the rest of the field. Edwards blows out Romney by 18 points; Obama by 11. RCP doesn't show an Edwards-Huckabee match-up but a recent CNN poll had Edwards up by 25, a much fatter margin than other dems. If the Repubs wise up and nominate their most electable guy, McCain, we could be in trouble. Obama and Hillary barely squeak past him (1% and 1.7% respectively). Remember, these are averages; the CNN poll has Hillary losing by 2, Obama tied. That same poll showed Edwards beating McCain by 7. (His average margin is 5 pts.)

One more bit of empirical data: In a 12-18 WaPo article asking people who they most OPPOSED as president--who they would actively work against--a full 40% chose Hillary. Obama came in third at 11% (right behind the oh-so-lovable Rudy). Seven percent don't like Romney, and five percent picked Huckabee ... This is one poll Edwards should be glad to lose. He tied McCain for last place, with only 2%.

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Jimmy Chicago IL — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:47:48 GMT

This is interesting information, and proves what I've been saying all along.
Most of Obama's support comes from independents who are trying to dictate to the Democratic Party who we should nominate.
We owe these people nothing, they are the same group who got behind Nader in 2000, and Nader or Cobb in 2004.
It's yet another reason why Obama should not be the Democratic Nominee in 2008.
We need to be nominating a Democrat who'll represent the Democratic Party's agenda and it's membership. Not someone who'll placate to independents and third party activists...who do all they can to help the G.O.P. at election time.

DEMOCRATS FOR HILLARY, 2008! ***Experience Counts***
J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY (Sent Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:01 AM)
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I hate to disappoint, but what you described is none other than your candidate(which I suppose is Shrillary) and her husband's strategy when he was POTUS. Remember, triangulate to the center?

Quite the contrary, we saw who the established Democrat party pushed on us last presidential election, not quite the best of the bunch(John Kerry big disappointment). Instead of saying that you as a party owe Indies nothing, how about approaching it this way, "you as a party owe the country a candidate that is worth a shit." And here we are,
at a crossroads with two candidates of substance and integrity and one with niether. (whom is running on her husband's coattails) Most Independants and Democrats share the same goal, which is preventing the repugs from retaining the white house.
You can't be so naive as to think that anyone can win a pres race without independant support(it's called the need for cross-over appeal). Or to think that the Clintons have the dem's or the American people's best interests in mind more than OBAMA.

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NICK, WALLED LAKE, MI — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:50:30 GMT

They say Hillary can't win because she will. The GOP only bashes what they are afraid of.

What is polarizing about Hillary? Her opponents are polarizing, not her. She and Bill are attacked by the right because they can't lose.

Because the Right Wing doesn't want Hillary, that is why I want Hillary. They have ruined America, not Hillary.

Now I agree though about running a John Edwards. I don't want to take any chances either. But if we pick Hillary, she's gonna kick Huckabee/Mitt's/Rudy/McCain/Thomson/Paul's butt!!!

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NICK, WALLED LAKE, MI — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:53:16 GMT

elizabeth san diago, let us not forget that the Republicans want to talk about anything other than the time that they held power between 2000 and 2006. They literally destroyed government and our future. Not to mention our standing in the world.

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Jacob, Los Angeles — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:56:05 GMT

I'm definitely voting for Hillary. I've read both her and Bill's autobiographies and have a tremendous amount of respect for both of them. Yes, they've been through a lot in a very public way but I know I've been through so pretty rough times myself and have had to learn important lessons from my mistakes but the point is that you DO learn from them try not to make them all over again. Hillary will be able to get things started way faster than Obama or any other candidate because, whether you like it or not, she WAS in the Whitehouse for all those years so she knows how it works. There will be no learning curve. Not to mention she'll have Bill there to help her through any grey areas. This just seems like a give to me. If Democrats want to take back the Whitehouse and try to clean up as much of the CRAP we've accumulated over the last 8 years as possible, then Hillary Clinton is our clear choice. (I do like Obama but he's too young and he stutter's too much when he talks. I think he probably will be President one day, and what an amazing successor to Hillary he would be after she's had 8 years to get things back on track. Then he can take the reins....)

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Kelly (from Pittsburgh) — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:07:45 GMT

Van and J Merle,

Your comments on this post exemplify what's wrong with your candidate (Clinton), the Democratic and Republican parties, and this country. We in the Democratic Party should absolutely care about who the independents support. Not because you owe independents something, but because you need them in order to win.

Obama and Hillary have similar positions on most substantive issues, and when they differ it is Obama not Hillary who is more progressive. So he isn't gathering independent and even Republican support because he isn't planning to fight for the Democratic values, it’s because of his rhetoric. Hillary is part of the partisan divide in this country; Obama wants to unite the country. She's the establishment, he is for change. Most Americans have had enough of whoever wins with a 1-2% majority, telling the other 48% to go eat crap.

As far as saying that Jerry shouldn't be posting about Dem candidates, that is ridiculous. Even though I'm a Dem, I try to watch the Republican race as much as possible. And when I think someone (for instance Guiliani), would be the absolute worst president, I take opportunities to try and keep the Republicans from nominating him. I have done this in particular because I fear Clinton will be our nominee and can not win the general. So yes, it is important for Republicans to voice their displeasure about certain Dem candidates. Because there is a 50/50 chance they will end up being their President.

It's also important for all Dem voters to realize that a primary vote for Clinton is not only a slap in the face to the 30% of Dems who view her unfavorably, but also to the vast majority of Republicans.

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Erik, DC — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:09:29 GMT

As I read these postings I realize how we ended up with our current White House occupant...voters in the U.S. are incredibily ill-informed and prone to regurgitate sound bites they hear from the news...we get what we deserve, not what we need...people speak about strengths and weaknesses of candidates as if they had personal knowledge that this is the case. I am not a supporter of any of these candidates, but I if we had any memory as a nation we would recall that the spin that the politicians and the media put on the process has no bearing on what the elected official ends up actually doing, e.g., Bush and nation-building; and also that the President doesn't work alone to set policy and cannot legislate (although in this administration they pretty much have). Someone said something about secrecy and likeability above...hey, I will take any of this field over what we've sadly been subjected to since the last time a Clinton was in the WH.

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Jimmy CHICAGO IL — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:12:14 GMT

Hillary cannot win the General Election. Period, cut and dry.

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--NSMSNBC — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:29:08 GMT

America will NOT elect a woman or a black man.
JW, Phoenix, AZ (Sent Tuesday, December 18, 2007 12:17 PM)
--Yet luckily, the majority of this country won't vote like you think. Most might actually see either as a positive.

The unnamed Barack Obama bus tour ...Still better than the 'No Surrender Express'. Do they all need names?

So, now Obama is doing better in head-to-head general match-ups? These things sure can vary, I hope nobody puts stock in them.

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H P Boston — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:32:49 GMT

We won't be fooled again......will we?

Elizabeth Sullivan, San Diego, CA (Sent Tuesday, December 18, 2007 12:35 PM)
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What is with this we shit? I was never fooled. You do not fool me either. Politicians are a sham, there is no there, there. Reality is we do not get what we PAY FOR. We get what is shoved down our throats, day after day after day. Garbage in, garbage out, the media is paid for and owned by corporate America. There is no wining, the deck is always stacked.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:34:53 GMT

Stephen:

I'm not sure that I would characterize it as a "dirty life" but using a lot of cocaine is not something that anyone I went to high school with did. I am not even sure what smack is myself. I simply can't relate to shrugging off the use of serious narcotics at any age.

Those are, of course, my values, and I don't expect anyone else to look at the situation the exact way that I do. We are all individuals and we all carry our own experiences and belief systems into our politics. There are probably a lot of people out there who will not look favorably upon someone who used cocaine, regardless of when he used it. That's not a smear, that's not an insult - that's just a fact.

Similarly, there are a lot of people who do not look favorably upon Hillary because she has stayed married to a man who cheated on her in the most public, humiliating way possible. There are also a lot of people who won't vote for Edwards because he made his money as a trial lawyer.

We don't live in a world of "should be"...we live in a world of what is. Maybe we should be able to dismiss some of these things, but often we can't. That's the reality, and the candidates (and voters) need to make sure that we don't lose sight of the reality while fixating on the idealism.

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ME, Santa Ana, CA — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:38:32 GMT

How does Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton equate to any form of "change."

The argument that "I am the change candidate because I hgave 16 years of experience within the system" is just laughable. Edwards was right when he said that replacing corporate republicans with corporate democrats is no change at all.

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Barbara C., Pompano Beach, FL — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:38:53 GMT

I love Joe Biden also. He has a complete ease and sense of himself. He is funny, speaks beautifully, and comes off more like "Every Man", even though he is a very experienced and smart U.S. Senator. I am of the opinion that if he were higher in the polls, he could pull this off. I would support and work for him gladly if he makes it.

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Kelly (from Pittsburgh) — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:53:55 GMT

FYI-I don't really think Biden would be a good choice for Secretary of State, only that I think him saying he wouldn't serve in that position detracts from my oppinion of him. I think he is where he belongs, in the Senate. A lot of of Biden supporters are always asking why he's not more in the race. It is true that the Media is partly to blame. The fact is that if not for Clinton, Biden would be more seriously covered. She is the establishment candidate in this race, which doesn't leave much room for him.

As for why he doesn't have my support. He is an establishment candidate. I want meaningful change, not just from the Bush years (but also the Clinton years). I really do not find long serving Senators to be attractive presidential candidates. One is their demeanor, this is certainly true for Biden who sometimes come off as an angry lecturer in the debates. Another problem, is that they have a long history of bad votes to overcome. I also just don't consider all those years as a legislator to be that valuable. They are legislators not leaders. Their life experience is not well-rounded. To be honest, Richardson probably has the best experience background to President. But I don't think he's got the right personal characteristics.

I think because so many of the Dem candidates are senators this year, and mostly because Clinton has been running on her false "experience" claim, people are maybe giving a little too much weight to this attribute. Character, stance on issues, and Likeability/persuasiveness are also very important. So many people are saying that Bush failures were due to his inexperience. This is not the case. He is stupid, with corrupt friends. He's actually been one of the most successful presidents in pushing his agenda forward and getting experienced senators to cave to his every demand.

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Bob. Lipsett Sr North Attleboro, MA. 02760-4388 — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:57:33 GMT

Jerry my boy; Is the fact that we are in for a long duration in the Middle East where we are not wanted only the US dollar is the only concern.

As a Independant, there is not one canidate that will state that he or she will stop this bloody mess that greed got us into and vacate the "WAR ZONE" in the Middle East. I wish everyone had the guts to march in the streets protesting this un-American aggresson by this administration.

Quit the lying and cheatin and give this country back to the Middle Class that built it for future generations.

Think, our Statue of Liberty, she hold in her right hand with right arm extended a beacon of hope and freedom, welcoming all who would assimilate to join our country. Live free or die. Stop living in "FEAR".

Do you know what is in her left hand?
Answer is below.

American are great and should not be living in "FEAR" that has been instilled on the weak. "The Real American" are over there building a Nation that doesn't want us. USA is a stop gap defending Isreal. The Middle East are against "CAPITALISM."

Our troops have did their mission and it is time to bring them back to a near as possible normal life. They did what was asked of them, many did not know that this administration was building a Nation on the backs of 3,891 dead US military. A large price to pay for a LIE.

Do you know what is in her left hand by her side?
ANS: It is the TABLET 23' 7" tall by 13'7" wide of our laws drawn up in 1756. Come here to be a legal imigrant and assimilate with this country and those who break our laws are to be turned away.

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Pete D Rochester, MN — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:58:27 GMT

Hillary will come thru just fine. Just watch

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jason — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:12:12 GMT

I think that Obama doing cocaine, pot and alcohol is a very big deal and i am ashamed that the candidates are scared of offending Barracks image. He did drugs admitteded it and it was not only pot he did cocaine!
That makes him unqualified in my view, an ex drug addict for president Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

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Jason California — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:18:03 GMT

I think that it is a very big deal that Obama has done cocaine. Barack is an ex drug attict self admitted on tv. It is wrong for Clinton to fire one of her employees that mentioned his drug use, it is a very big deal about Obamas drug use. What if the stresses of presidency become too much for him and he turns to drugs again?

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Leslie Halls — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:19:27 GMT

This country needs leadership with proven character; the creativity to think outside the box; the ability to work with others; vision; courage. These qualities will supercede today's issues and provide the backbone to unite us and tackle the future together.

Now then - Does anyone anywhere even nominally match up? How sad that all we can hope for is the lesser of all evils to lead the United States of America.

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Richard in Idaho — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:21:38 GMT

Carrie, parhaps Hillary stayed with Bill our of her own political ambitions?

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Jeff Rathdrum ID — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:23:21 GMT

Obama is the most electable thats a given, he is the one canidate that can get the most independents, and even some republicains to change there votes. And none of that will show up on these polls.
As for all these negative statements, it's just the other canidates or there supporters being scared because Obama is going to win. I could give you the details on each little statement but most already know the truth. If you want the info read his book or go to his web site http://www.barackobama.com or better yet do both.
I don't want to say anything negative, but Clinton and her supporters are seeing they can't win on her alone so they have to try and bring Obama down. Obama supporters please stick with facts, we will win this on Positives not negatives. If you feel Obama is being attacked put out the truth, but stay positive.
Good luck to all of you whoever your voting for.

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Elizabeth Sullivan, San Diego, CA — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:43:06 GMT

HP Boston -

Why are you yelling?

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Votes don't make it happen — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:52:53 GMT

How can anyone believe in a system that gave us Bush TWICE!! I often have more thoughts that Satan himself elected himself and all his hot helpers! Makes that much sense! (+ +)
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Victor Hugo — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:55:47 GMT

Look everybody, if anybody thinks that we are going to have an absolute transparent and honest candidate....ever, then you are all really fooled. All candidates have to do and say what they think will help them win. The bottom line here is that you have to look at the party's history of their votes and for whom they really help; sort of like a credit history. As long as the Republicans don't win again, it doesn't really matter who wins, so long as it's a Democrat!! Hillary needs to say and do what it takes to not let the Republicans take over, again...for all the non-wealthy's sake!! At least Democrats try to help all sides, even the rich. Republicans only cater to the rich and are wiping out the middle class and widening the lower class. They have already sold us out!

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PulSamsara — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:56:48 GMT

Barack Obama for President of the United States of America.

Say no to nepotism.
Say no to triangulated Iraq vote disasters.
Say no to mud-sling machine politics.

It's time for America to Rise and Shine again.

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PulSamsara — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:58:18 GMT

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JR, NY — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:58:51 GMT

Repulicans started their hate Hillary compaign when Bill took office. Why ? because she wanted to give American's a health care system that works for all Americans. Let's scare all those dumb working class people and call it socialize medicine. So they successfully derailed positive changes in healthcare. They don't like her because she is smarter then them and our congressmen hate smart women. I don't really care who wins between Obama and Hillary, as long we do not elect another idiot Republican who wants to scare you about Mexicans, Iran, woman's rights, and religion. Americans better start caring about their retirement, mortgages, children's education and healthcare. The report is in "no child left behind" is a total disaster. They were promoted without an education. So much for our idiot president with millions losing their homes, and he only wants to save a handfull. Give me a break stop worrying about the cleaning lady and gardener from Mexico they are not trying to screw you like the Republicans.

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Victor Hugo — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:00:28 GMT

Thank you Joyce! Seems like half of America votes like the Third World voters do, they look at charm, loud hoop la, and selfish incentives for their votes. Wake up, America is being sold under our eyes! This isn't American Idol. Vote for their minds, experience, and voting history and don't make this a personality contest...this isn't high school!!

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Nina — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:00:52 GMT

Ah, Hillary keeps on trying to change her image. Getting family and friends to attest to her softer side. FACT: She, herself, cannot project herself as such because she simply does NOT have a soft side to her. I believe Hillary has become a very bitter woman as a result of Bill's many infedilities. She never had the spine to stand up to him and leave him...after all his coattails would come in handy if she ever decided to run for Prez. So, now, when the polls show she is not likeable, is cold and calculated (which she knows she is), she brings in her 86 year old mom, her daughter, and a few friends to attest to her "soft side"...hoping upon hope that America's perception of her will change. This will NOT change our perspective anymore than you can change a leopard's spots. Hillary is who she is: a bitter, cold, calculated, and unlikable person. She sold her soul to Bill a long time ago. So what is left?? a bitter, cold, calculated and unlikable person!!! We do not need these traits in our President!!! Foreign leaders will also see her for who she is, and will NOT respect her at all, thus will not help foreign relations at all. Nor will it help the dems and repugs in the senate and the congress in working together. If you think things are bad under President Bush, they'll be a lot worse uner hers. Vote NO for Hillary!!

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Impeach — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:02:14 GMT

The argument that "I am the change candidate because I gave 16 years of experience within the system" is just laughable. Edwards was right when he said that replacing corporate republicans with corporate democrats is no change at all.
ME, Santa Ana, CA (Sent Tuesday, December 18, 2007 2:38 PM)

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But with Obama you do get inexperienced change and that may be best. Biden needs to shake up the Dem's and get the impeachment ball rolling NOW!
We can not let the evil in the WH continue to defile our country for one more day. Fumigate the vermin and undo all the dirty secrets and crimes committed by bush and his gang of scum.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:18:42 GMT

Carrie, parhaps Hillary stayed with Bill our of her own political ambitions?
Richard in Idaho (Sent Tuesday, December 18, 2007 3:21 PM)

I was not speculating on Hillary's reasons for doing anything. I was making a point that some people fault her for that particular choice, just as some people will fault Obama for doing cocaine or Edwards for being a trial lawyer.

But way to turn my comment into a way to slam Hillary. Really, you should be very proud of yourself.

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Kato in Des Moines — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:30:18 GMT

Kelly writes: "FYI - I don't really think Biden would would be a good choice for Secretary of State, only that I think him saying he wouldn't serve in that position detracts from my opinion [sic] of him."

1. How many people are suggesting that Obama would make a great Secretary of State? Not too many. And why is that? It's because he has absolutely no foreign policy experience.

2. Why do you think they constantly throw Senator Biden's name into the mix? It's because he -- more than any other candidate -- has the foreign policy expertise necessary to properly end the war in Iraq and restore America's standing around the globe. You don't become chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee by doing nothing. Biden has his act together. This guy has established relations with key allies and knows how to deal with foreign leaders.

3. No one making a serious run for the presidency will go on record and say he will take the vice presidency or a top cabinet post including Secretary of State. You should know that. You wouldn't expect your man Obama to say at this point in the race that he's willing to take the vice presidency or a cabinet post if he doesn't get the nomination. No candidate would do that. Come on. Get real.

4. As for the experience factor versus the inspiration factor, I addressed that issue with you a few days back. I won't repeat it here. Suffice it to say, we disagree. I've been around the block a few times and every election cycle there always is one or two candidates who claim they are the Washington outsider -- the anti-establishment candidate. Eight years ago it was George Bush. Look what that got us; eight years of misery. I'll take wisdom and experience over inspiration and the so-called anti-establishment candidate. I don't need someone to inspire me. I don't need another Jesse Jackson message of hope. I want someone who can build political consensus and get things done. I want someone who can lead from day one. In my heart, I know the most qualified leader out there is Biden. He may not win. The odds certainly are against him, but I will caucus for him in Iowa nonetheless.

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Mike — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:32:10 GMT

PLEASSSSEEEE tell me how being the 1st lady for 8 years gives her expirence to become President. If that were the case, much better 1st ladies would have run before her. I am tired of hearing about her expirence when she has just as much as every other senator. If the candidates would just stick to the issues and tell America how they will fix the problems the country faces, that's all I care about

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Michael — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:45:17 GMT

Obama is the biggest joke like Howard Dean. He doesn't finish top 3. He is horrible to listen to in a debate. He would never win a general is colon powell couldn't why could he?

Everyone forgets the way Edwards got slaugthered against Cheney in the VP debate a few years back.

Hillary is tough and Biden is her biggest comp. If Biden places top 3, he can win. He will get Republican votes. The media makes a joke of him and Dodd which is wrong.

My prediction is 1.)Hillary, 2.)Edwards, 3.) Biden in Iowa.

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HP Boston — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:59:53 GMT

The best candidate, the most forthright throughout the entire campaign, the guy not bullshitting the American people has been deemed too "last season." As Heidi Klum says "One day your in and the next day - YOU'RE OUT."
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HP Boston -

Why are you yelling?

Elizabeth Sullivan, San Diego, CA (Sent Tuesday, December 18, 2007 3:43 PM)

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I guess cause you were yelling!
Well no crap I am just sad and mad and grieving.
Boarded my ship, so happy I was upgraded to a full suite and then; A day out to sea, my brother died. He in Ocala, Fl. and I out to sea. The horror was a storm called Olga! What the heck can't get to port, get sea sick and oh shit what a nightmare.............

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Elizabeth Sullivan, San Diego, CA — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:07:13 GMT

HP

I wasn't yelling. Believe me, when I yell you will know.

Sincere condolences on the loss of your brother.

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tracy h — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:15:00 GMT

I think all of you are missing the entire point.

If you don't want someone with a scandalous past, then don't vote for him/her.

If you don't want someone with little experience, then don't vote for him/her.

If you want someone without scandals and political wounds, but has a consistent voting record and twenty years of experience, then vote for Ron Paul.

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trac h — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:29:06 GMT

Actually, the reason why people dislike Hillary is because she appointed three of her law partners to positions in the White House...they ended in suicide, an arrest and a resignation.

Then she lied and was almost charged with perjury.

She tried to initiate health reform, but was drastically defeated. She then accepted money from health lobbyists to drop her health care reform bill.

She almost ruined Bill's presidency when she talked him out of settling with Monica Lewinsky, even though she did not require payment nor a public apology.

Her major job while in the White House was "damage control."

I doubt anyone wants to continue destroying the nation by voting for people of such character!

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Travis, Louisville, Ky. — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:57:32 GMT

I feel the same sentiment... why exactly are likeability and willingness to compromise on issues thw 2 most important things this cycle? Ask people why they don't like Hillary or won't vote for her... she's too cold. Wonderful, so she's cold and calculating... mean's she's not the hippie democrat who would lay down national security just because she's a female that the rightwingnuts would label her, so what? Democrats get attacked for being too weak, Hillary will never be called weak. Perfect match up!

How can Hillary Not win? She carries all the coasts, Arkansas, Florida, and Ohio against any and all Repugs... where is the even potential to lose?

0% the shot a Red state supporter wins the election this upcoming year.

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Brad, Iowa — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:57:54 GMT

Nicely stated, Kato.

If McCain should get the republican nomination, Joe Biden is the only one who can go nose-to-nose, pound-for-pound, experience-to-experience with him and come out the winner. The others won't even make it through the first round.

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Travis, Louisville, Ky. — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:00:53 GMT

Vanreuter: WTF are you? WTF died and made you King of information. You are no better informed than anyone else in here, we just don't try to prove how much information we can cut and paste in a minute. All you do all day, everyday is sit in front of the computer and pretend your some kind of a professor with the market nabbed on political facts. Man get a job!

No, he's someone sick to death of the idiocy coming from this country because of this current administration... and when everyone comes on here spewing religious propoganda and calling it politics, or everytime someone bashes the Dems with no use whatsoever, Van is the voice for reason, the one letting the rest of us Dems out there know that in 09 we will see prosperity FINALLY!

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HP Boston — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:09:44 GMT

HP

I wasn't yelling. Believe me, when I yell you will know.

Elizabeth Sullivan, San Diego, CA (Sent Tuesday, December 18, 2007 5:07 PM)
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You can yell till the cows come home don't really care.
I was not yelling either.
Emphatic, I was being emphatic.
Ya don't get what ya PAY FOR. Emphatic!

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Ken, San Diego, CA — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:27:37 GMT

If we are looking at "energy" and "excitement" as any indication of Iowa momentum (in the form of large crowds, as what happened to John Kerry a week or so prior to the caucus) we have to look at Hillary and Edwards. Both are drawing large crowds with standing room and overflow. Obama is drawing large crowds, but there are still empty seats in the house. I think the remaining "undecided" voters are looking at Hillary and Edwards -- maybe not a good sign for Obama.

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Robert The Woodlands Texas — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:20:01 GMT

Madam President...sounds good to me

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carolyn grace — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:45:37 GMT

Hillary is done for. Stick a fork in her. She will say and do anything to win and that goes for Bill also. I don't know how Magic Johnson could show up with those two. I would say that Iowa comes down to Obama and Edwards. Either one could probably finish first with the other a close second, but Hillary will be third. The smart people in Iowa have figured out who the real Hillary is and they don't like her.

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carolyn grace — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:48:14 GMT

P.S. to my last post. Senator Obama will win the nomination even if he does come in second in Iowa. Edwards just doesn't have the money or organization to go much further. Obama has opened up offices now in about 15 or more states and some of them are red states. How many states is Edwards in?

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Jennifer, Scottsdale, Az — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:35:23 GMT

I pray that people get to know Biden already!
He is the most qualified person for POTUS.
And Biden would have a much easier time in the general election than Edwards. Edwards? The GOP will eat him up alive. what a joke!

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Information Junkie — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:30:52 GMT

Would some one please explain to me if people think Senator Biden would make a great Sec of State, why is it so hard for them to go one step further and realize that he would make a great President?

Dot, Illinois

Because the "Great Clinton-Obama Deathmatch" is a more "dramatic" story (and more likely to draw viewers). With Edwards playing the "spoiler," there's hardly any coverage of anyone else in the Democratic field (apart from hard-core political outlets). Sadly, most voters don't watch the debates for the primaries and base their opinions on the limited reporting of the MSM and political ads.

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Stephen Bates, Sanbornton NH — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:03:43 GMT

Once again its great to see how insidiously biased and skewed your political reporting is, where Joe Biden, the most qualified and best candidate on either side, gets barely a mention. No wonder I don't pander to TV news anymore, you're all unprincipled fools

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Mike Frazier — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:24:48 GMT

Although currently the general election matchup polls have Hillary winning by less, they still have her winning. And you have to ask yourself, which winner do you want for your next president?

Obama is a crowd-pleaser, for sure, and Hillary tends to be cold and is definitely calculating. But Obama is unseasoned, while, in addition to her familiarity with the corridors of power, Hillary has been pilloried in the press for 15 years. She's a proven quality, a tough survivor who's able to work with the opposition. And Obama's further to the left than she is; that fact won't be a secret when it come November.

No, she's not perfect. No, she's not charismatic. But she's rock-solid.

Yes, it's time to put a woman in the White House; but only because we've got one running who's the best person for the job.

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lee, new haven CT — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:43:55 GMT

Its unfortunate that candidates these days need to appeal charming and likable to get elected. I would prefer to just see someone who will do the job well, and I could care less about their personal life.
Most Americans would not appreciate a personal evaluation before being offered a job, and being the president shouldn't be any different.
Bush was elected on likeability, and "canidate you would most like to have a beer with".

This country needs to wise up and encourage a better educated population if we expect to compete in a growing and competitive world economy. Our position as world leader is already as much as gone, and our standards for voting are just one indication as to why.

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Elizabeth Sullivan — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:59:13 GMT

"But you know, I’ve got to tell you that if you’ve been fighting for the causes you believe in and taking on tough special interests as long as I have, you’re going to get beat up. And anybody who has done, or anybody who’s been as a Democrat on the national scene as long as I have is going to end up with a lot of people who have been convinced that there is something that shouldn’t be liked or approved…"

Sorry Hillary but Joe Biden has been in the Senate for 35 years. When you were at the Rose Law Firm BIDEN was on the Judiciary Committee. Truth is you are not the most qualified candidate, you don't have the most experience, and you are not most able to take over on day one. That man is Joe Biden.

But, on the plus side, a Biden/Clinton ticket would have the effect of neutering Bill Clinton while still being able to take advantage of Mr. Clinton's international goodwill and considerable political expertise. Let Joe deal with Bill and Hillary be VP.

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Margaret-Anne, San Diego CA — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:18:24 GMT

Biden. Just listen to him.

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Billy LeBlanc — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:42:20 GMT

Funny. They say something, then apoligize and say it was not ment to harm. BULL S----. When said it is said with a reason. If what is said is TRUE then no harm to the sayer. IF if is false SHAME ON the SAYER but to apoligize is funny. OK let me slander someone and just APOLIGIZE an all is well. Obama should not be and hopefully better not be elected president.

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Quanda Moss — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:00:38 GMT

I have just one comment: For all the verbosity by those who use "Experience"eg: Hillary Billary Dock," I don't think being the wife of a President is quite the experience Americans are looking for. My vote will go to a candidate who actually ran a city or a state. Being a senator, puts one in a group of 100 people and the senator has one vote. Not my idea of running anything.

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CURT B — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:11:58 GMT

BIDEN IS THE MAN FOR THE JOB BUT THE POLITICAL MEDIA REFUSES TO RECOGNIZE THIS FACT. IT DOESN'T SELL AS MUCH AS THE CONTINUAL DIATRIBE ABOUT THE THREE BIG NAMES THAT IS OF LITTLE MEANINGFUL CONSEQUENCE. OUR SYSTEM FOR SELECTING POLITICAL CANDIDATES SUITABLE FOR THE JOB OF PRESIDENT IS DEEPLY FLAWED.

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Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:37:55 GMT

why would anyone call hillery "great"? name one great thing that she's ever done?

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marie thomson, seattle, Wash. — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:44:03 GMT

Bob Kerrey apologized to Obama regarding bringing up Obama's Muslim upbringing. Apologized for what? For mentioning the truth--Obama was raised as a Muslim. He is now a Christian in a "hate whitie" kind of church. These facts as researched by the LA Times and are at least as relevant to his campaign as the religion of Mike Huckabee or Mitt Romney are to their election potential. That means that as long as the the things people like Kerrey say are factually accurate they are fair to be brought up and people can decide for themselves if this information is relevant or not relevant at all in their choice of a president.

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BL — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:01:16 GMT

In a time when the White House is riped for the picking, this is the best field of candidates the Democrats can mustard up? Democrat voters must be very depressed right now. I feel your pain, because we had Bob Dole in 1996.

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Beckwolf — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:10:58 GMT

"The unfortunate part is that while it is left widely unspoken, the nation will still not vote a woman in as president, nor will it elect a black man."

I wholly disagree! The nation is more than ready to vote in a woman, or a black man. However, the nation is not ready to vote in a woman as immoral and unethical as Hillary, who has committed so many crimes and shameful acts that she should be in a jail cell instead of running for president. She lost it already because of her actions, not because of her sex. And if Obama loses, it will be because he was such an unknown only a short time ago. I believe that both of them will receive MORE votes than they would if they were white males, simply because Hillary is a woman and Obama is black, granting them automatic support.

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Jo O'Connor — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:29:06 GMT

Please HELP!!! You have me so confused. Bill Clinton is honest and trustworthy and his wife is, too. Is Biden better? We studied grammar in school for a while and had to learn proper usage of IS. Is Biden able to use the verb as it should be?

Vote Mitt!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Edwards has a southern accent, so we can't trust that man. Obama is a Muslim! All praise be to Allah.)

God Bless America and keep her free!

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B.W.Mcfarland — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:38:49 GMT

Does chuck todd know what he looks like with that face hair when you have the t-v on mute and he opens his mouth? Sorry, but true. I don't want to embarrass him but maybe he should take a look, so others say. Also, Matthews HA (so loud last nite) is far worse than Hillary's laugh which at least has merriment to it, not sarcastic shouting as his does.

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John McFarland — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:48:05 GMT

am so tired of reading the comments, and listening to it on tv that Hillary can't win! How do they know, a serious woman canditate has never run, and polls and talking heads mean nothing if it has never happened before. I think most of the "she can't win" is planted over and over by the media and press to make a sublimal message to all those who actually believe what they hear and read. It takes time to think all of this through and most people look at some of these tv gurus as honest people with no agenda, hard to believe!

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Mae, Annapolis, Maryland — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:08:41 GMT

I think people are afraid of Hillary. Yes, it will be new territory to have a woman leading our country, but take a look at all the great female leaders throughout world history! Hillary has drive and ambition--this frightens some Alpha males and even some females, but she also has the experience, the leadership qualities, the focus, as well as the heart. She takes a no-nonsense approach, and, frankly, this will be a refreshing change from "C-student, frat boy" leadership.

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raf — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:09:22 GMT

BL - I can assure you, democrats don't "mustard up" their candidates. Maybe that was Dole's problem in 1996. You shouldn't have put mustard on him. Try some "ketchup" next time.

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Kevin, Eastern Iowa — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:54:53 GMT

Jo O'Connor,
Your comments reveal nothing but your ignorance, on three fronts. Edwards can't be trusted trusted simply because of a southern accent? Obama is a Muslim? Worst of all - vote Mitt!?!?!? You support a Mormon (who only claims to believe the parts of Mormonism that the rest of us think are acceptable) who held different positions when running for Governor of largely Democratic Massachussetts than he does now that he's running for President. Yeah, HE can be trusted! LOL. I don't know which is worse, your bigotry or your lack of education.

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David, Medford Oregon (living overseas in Korea) — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:25:34 GMT

<b>Neither Obama or Clinton is likely to be elected in the general election as no Republicans will cross party lines to vote for them -- while Democrats who possess serious reservations about Obama and/or Clinton will definitely cross the line for certain Republican candidates.</b>

Gayle (Sent Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:28 AM

You couldn't be more wrong about that one. There are lots of Republicans that are crossing the line in the primary to support and vote for Obama.

I can't believe some people thing this is bad. We should be welcoming people back to the Democratic Party, not bitching and complaining that, "oh, it's our party why should anyone else vote for a Democrat"

What a bunch of bs!

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David, Medford Oregon (living overseas in Korea) — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:28:16 GMT

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Alvarez, New York, New York — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 04:13:23 GMT

Hillary is the obvious choice for many obvious reasons. Although I love Oprah, I find it REALLY SAD how a celebrity can change the way people vote just by endorsing a candidate. Obama has gained a few votes because of Oprah...this late in the game, if you didn't want Obama if the first place--then why are you so weak to change because one celebrity says so. These are the same people who have not been following any of the debates now voting for Obama. People...EDUCATE YOURSELF so you can make up your own mind. Vote for someone who's strong, smart, and has experience, and having Bill around the White House is only a really good thing. VOTE FOR YOURSELF. VOTE for HILLARY.

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Jay, Boston — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:41:49 GMT

I think it's silly that Bob Kerry apologized for calling Obama by his full name. Is Barack Hussein Obama afraid of being Barack Hussein Obama? If I had a muslim sounding name like Barack Hussein Obama I probably wouldn't want people calling me Barack Hussein Obama in public either. Barack Hussein Obama should be ashamed of himself from hiding from his name -- Barack Hussein Obama. Do not vote for Barack Hussein Obama.

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Ben Thompson, Hampshire, Illinois — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:40:05 GMT

As FirstRead reports above: "The New York Times’ David Brooks takes a look [December 19, 2007] at the two Dem front-runners, and suggests that Obama would make the better president. 'If Clinton were running against Obama for Senate, it would be easy to choose between them. But they are running for president, and the presidency requires a different set of qualities.'"

Here is my two cents on the Obama-Clinton issue. Below is “A Letter to Patricia,” written last February as something of an open letter, by a participant in Obama's announcement in Springfield, Illinois, that he'd seek the presidency. I got the letter last August from a former colleague and saved it because I thought (and still do) that the integrationist argument in the letter regarding having BOTH Obama and Clinton is compelling. It’s courageous, and probably original. I happen to think this campaign season needs a refreshing sense of greater wholeness: More of "us and us," and much of "us vs. them." The letter speaks of a Clinton/Obama team of shared leadership. Happy holidays! Ben

A ‘BOTH-AND’ LETTER TO PATRICIA

––Jim Boushay

Dear Patricia,

The day after the Friday that you and I met and talked on the free shuttle, I was lucky to travel by bus to Springfield, a trip arranged by the office of Illinois Senator Don Harmon, head of the Democratic Party of Oak Park. I was actually thinking of you when Senator Obama made the expected announcement that he would seek the Democratic nomination for president. At the Historic Old State Capitol where Abraham Lincoln served as a legislator for two years—-and where he gave his famous speech saying a house divided against itself cannot stand—-my companions and I excitedly heard Obama's compelling entrance into the political race. We were fortunate to be up-close and thus I, challenged by a lifelong hearing impairment, was able both to hear better and to read Mr. Obama's lips.

Much more important, the crowd had come from everywhere—-Wisconsin, Indiana, Iowa, Missouri, all over. Our feeling of great excitement amid the people there was a feeling like we had all known each other for years. There were several among the reported 17,000 champions there, wearing woolen winter head caps marked with the logo and name of a Des Moines disabilities agency. So I thought of you and the work you do in Illinois as a job coach at OPRF high school with students struggling to overcome lifelong intellectual disabilities.

Partner Rickey Sain and I got back by charter bus at 3:30 that Saturday afternoon. I also was fortunate on the ride back, during which time I reported to my bus mates what intriguing things I was hearing them say—-you know, things said amid the natural back-and-forth conversation about the future and about who in particular would play the key leadership role as the nation's chief executive, following the 2008 elections, assuming of course the realization of a hoped-for win by the Democrats. I said that most of the bus conversations I was hearing and “over-hearing” seemed to focus on voters being forced to choose between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, as though the citizens would be forced to have but one only of the two strong leaders.

But I offered an alternative, a bit nuanced.

I said on the bus, "With the need for decisive long-term leadership to fix the national mess that took us years to create, we therefore need long-term, determined, sustained, cooperative leadership, and over many years.” Mindful of what you told me Friday on the shuttle about how difficult it has been to get attention paid to the low wages earned by job coaches and other care givers of people vulnerable and poor, I said to the group, "This election campaign does not have to be either/or. Instead, it can be both/and. It can be both Senator Clinton and Senator Obama."

I asked my bus mates not to fall into the trap of thinking we can only have one or the other. With both, the future can be stronger, brighter. I said, "That way, we get more good things done through two excellent people, representing an even stronger combined and unified political power base over the long haul.” And a long haul it will be.

I urged: "Get that newer entrepreneurial idea into the system." I told them to talk it up with friends and in their neighborhoods. We have to find ways to cross boundaries, to step out of the box. To me those two commonly used phrases are more than vague, abstract, gnostic slogans. To me, the idea of truly crossing boundaries means something practical and compelling.

It took us as a nation 50 years to get this sick: Wars, poverty, political disengagement, social isolation, no affordable housing any longer, a rising income gap, all kinds of discrimination toward people fragile and in distress, 47-million without health insurance, education under siege nationally for being unreal and ineffective, children and young kids at risk, un- and under-employment, immigration debated accusingly in a nation of immigrants, corporate corruption big-time, unfairness, politicians who don't know how to listen genuinely to the people about what the people actually face every day, identity politics everywhere that separates out, ideological screeds attacking the other, too much "us vs. them" thinking along with not nearly enough "we are in this together" thinking. The citizenry must win back our Democracy. More crossing of boundaries will bring us further along toward that goal. For example, as we discussed on the shuttle, your being willing to give public testimony in Springfield on your nine years' experience with people with disabilities is but one good example of citizens getting more involved. In doing that you can make a difference.

Re-engaging the political process is a new way is the way. It will take at least 25 years for us to get well again, at least that long. For example, it took the national public health campaign against tobacco more than 35 years to succeed. And there are still many smokers. The massive prevailing problems facing our culture means there utterly is the need for LONG-TERM, sustained leadership on behalf of the Union at war with itself. That essentially peacemaking political effort will mean all of us having to put together in our minds things that never before have been put together, never before reconciled—-like Obama and Clinton on the same ticket, for example.

At this very early date, 19 months before the national election, I care much less about who is at the top of the ticket in November of 2008. All I really believe at this point is that the nation needs both of them and their formidable gifts...and needs many others like you and me and still others working furiously yet thoughtfully and powerfully to make things better. The terrible dysfunctional mess we're in demands no less in the divided nation. Let’s skip that all-too-usual stuff about "either/or."

The trap is meant to divide, to push us to either one side or the other, allowing little room for the haunting and more real human complexity. The trap often leads to even more family dysfunction. The answer often lies in the more complex and therefore more reconciling middle. I've never apologized for use of approaches that are essentially of a type that one might call militantly centrist. If all of us are in this together, then all of us are in this together. That is the enduring promise of democracy. Dr. King and many other compelling moral leaders through the last 200 years have consistently and persistently talked of our “inescapable network of mutuality.” The key word there? Inescapable.

The country often does much better in the middle. As I repeated to almost everybody on the bus, “We can have both.” It will take creative and inventive thinking and action in moving forward, a lot of hard work. The time is now. Putting those two formidable, talented, experienced, charismatic leaders together on the same political ticket means we will then take the first major step—-among many more major steps needed toward greater concentration of political effort—-in getting LONG-TERM solutions underway. Our children (Rickey Sain and I have nine, all now post-college adults) and our grandchildren deserve and should demand no less from us wiser Americans.

We have to be smarter. I call the effort "smart growth." Ain't no easy answers out there right now. We kid ourselves if we think fixing the mess is gonna be easy, especially as we grow more pluralistic and therefore more complex. God help us! We need really to think politics in new ways because the old ways of bringing about solutions have mostly brought about grossest dysfunctional systems, seemingly everywhere in politics, law, education, health, housing, disability and human rights, and all the rest.

Yes, things are much more complex than ever before in a time of ever-increasing pluralism. You indicated as much on the shuttle. We can't be thinking any longer about merely winning just one election. We have to think winning many elections in a row, all while building stronger and newer leadership into the future. A sustained strategy has to be, well, strategic. We have to think and look long-term with this 2008 election coming up. I said on the bus, "Let's not just talk about stepping outside the box. Let's not just talk about crossing boundaries to bring people together. Let's do it. Let's work to get the idea into the system that the nation needs both political leaders for the foreseeable future."

Immediately but perhaps not surprisingly in response, there was complete silence. I saw the reflective silence as a good thing. I let it hang in the air for a few seconds.

Then before sitting back down in my seat, as the bus rumbled home toward Oak Park, I ended my remarks by saying:

"Maybe? Maybe let our local and national conversation be about those two elected leaders working out with each other who between the two of them will be at the so-called top of the ticket and who will be in the vice presidential spot. We can have both. Perhaps it is only with both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama transparently working together as two on behalf of a deeply divided nation that the people will have more undivided moral will and more political strength to get done what needs to get done. No question that we need the talents, skills, experience, and determination of both. Now's the time like no other time to get that compelling idea into the system…and really mean it."

Patricia, thanks for your time and for listening here. I say that Clinton and Obama are two of Chicago's (and now the nation's) very own. Clinton was born in Chicago and Obama moved here after college.

The night I got back from Springfield, on WGN TV's "Chicago's Very Own," there was a story about Gregory Cox and his efforts to overcome drug addiction and about him having been reunited with his family, which had been feuding over his illness and dysfunction. Rickey and I know Gregory fairly well. If you listened carefully, his local story pulls together the national story here, and then takes us in a new direction—just what’s needed. Right now the nation is a "feuding family." We’ve got to do the work of fixing some of that family dysfunction. We've got to make peace in the family. We’ve got to get back to the right idea of all of us as a family, all of us family members in this together.

Again, a pleasure to meet you. We talked about a lot in a short period of time together on the shuttle. What fun!

Jim Boushay

P.S.: A humorous aside. A few minutes after I spoke on the bus, an old friend approached me to say, "Thanks for saying that. You observed the three commands of good speech-making: Be clear, be brief, be seated." I have to laugh right here in this special letter to you. I guess I went rumbling down too-long of a road, with just too many words. A big warm smile of apology. On the other hand, at work almost every time I simply outline three key points (you know, like a one-page summary), then trustees and staff inevitably ask me to expand on those points in order to make the case thoroughly. There's no winning, in a manner of speaking, unless really I do BOTH.

February 20, 2007